#lore-discussion

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pliant ruin
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and i explicitly say she isnt because yharim would absolutely mention it if she was

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He hates elementals

wanton pendant
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Wait that's not the link I copied?

pliant ruin
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Unless its another case of "Yharim is dumb and stupid and dosent know what things are" but man come on thats been done already

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I just do not think a light elemental is gonna happen

wanton pendant
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Uh, I guess that's what they were in the 3DS version for some reason.

robust osprey
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maybe light can be a brimmy thing idk

visual kiln
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would chaos elementals be a brimmy thing

wanton pendant
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Brimstone represents being broke, so she can't pay the light bills, checkmate.

robust osprey
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no chaos elementals are another thing

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visual kiln
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eol, chaos elementals/RoD, and shimmer all feel rlly weird rn tbh bc it almost feels like there should be an explanation for them but also its rlly hard to think of what exactly could be an explanation

cosmic zenith
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EoL and Chaos Elementals are not, in fact, Elementals

visual kiln
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Unless shimmer got explained before

visual kiln
cosmic zenith
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EoL will be better explained in the future

wanton pendant
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Well that settles it.

robust osprey
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shimmer is just a lot of liquid estrogen

cosmic zenith
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Chaos Elementals are beings birthed from the Hallowed Essence

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Perhaps pure manifestations of it

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Shimmer... you'll see in the future as well, but it's not tied to the Hallow

wanton pendant
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God of Blinking Lights theory is back on the menu boys.

cosmic zenith
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There are no Elementals other than the main five (Anahita, Sandies, Brimmy, Cloudy, Silva) and their offshoots (such as Ice and Granite Elementals)

wanton pendant
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R.I.P Spectral Elemental.

split mortar
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World soul was the soul elemental

wanton pendant
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What if Distortion has its own messed up Elementals because it has different rules.

icy veldt
wanton pendant
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The explanation will certainly not involve her being a cat.

icy veldt
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No, of course not. Provy's the cat

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Unless there are two catterflies

wanton pendant
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There are none.

icy veldt
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That's it I'm flushing you down the toilet

icy veldt
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||Wait these are just the Chaos Gods from 40K||

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Lore question: does the Meth Elemental have a goatee?

wanton pendant
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No, did too much meth, hair fell out.

icy veldt
wanton pendant
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Why didn't Calamitas just say no to comitting war crimes? Is she stupid?

spice torrent
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nope
she was a child

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it was kinda hard for her to say no

wanton pendant
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Don't you know, you can't be turned into a living weapon if you just say no.

icy veldt
wanton pendant
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Do you think there were Azafurians that were racist towards humans that didn't have horns.

icy veldt
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Probably

wanton pendant
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Vice versa, also.

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That's why they were so eager to back up Yharim.

icy veldt
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Should've been incinerated sooner. That would've put a big dent in his war effort at a much better time for it to happen

wanton pendant
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Still on about that, that was yesterday man.

icy veldt
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Me switching on my time machine to teleport Brimmy and Cal 100 years into the past

wanton pendant
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Just go back in time and kill Yharim.

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Why traumatise Calamitas again.

icy veldt
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Oh yeah good idea

visual kiln
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meow

wanton pendant
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Just go back, kill baby Yharim, what could possibly go wrong?
Except the sure establishment of a divine theocracy.

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No, no cats, don't encourage him.

icy veldt
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Besides, wasn't the divine theocracy already an established thing?

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And it worked just fine, as a functional civilization

wanton pendant
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No, it would go into overdrive as they would just get someone else to become God King.

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And with a unified leader, the gods would only cement their grip.

eager bluff
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...what cementing is needed

wanton pendant
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Sometimes you need to repave over potholes.

eager bluff
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what potholes

wanton pendant
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Exactly.

eager bluff
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yeah so theres no fucking reason to say they would cement their grip

wanton pendant
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What?

icy veldt
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The monolithic "the gods" as a whole "cementing their grip" doesn't seem so bad when you remember that gods like Tyrian and Otounilou, as well as all the similar ones who were devoured by the DoG, exist and don't not exist

wanton pendant
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Providence 2.

eager bluff
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who would win
one god
or all the other gods

wanton pendant
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I mean, one god if that god is Xeroc.

eager bluff
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you know exactly what i mean

wanton pendant
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I don't, you're not being very clear.

eager bluff
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do not try to semantics your way out of this

wanton pendant
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???

eager bluff
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i think this is fairly clear as to what im referring to

icy veldt
# wanton pendant Providence 2.

Considering that the world still isn't a massive field of ash makes me think that Provy's not as effective as you seem to think. The Profaned Cult seems like it was basically just a terrorist group back during the civilization of the Deific Era, that needed to be beaten down heavily on occasion, but was usually well-contained by the other gods' efforts

wanton pendant
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I'm not saying Providence is strong? Not the point I'm making?

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Well, she is strong but not threat to the world strong.

icy veldt
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Then why is some hypothetical "Providence 2" your massive concern?

eager bluff
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then why say providence 2

wanton pendant
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Because a powerful, malicious god that amassed leadership of not just followers but other gods would be a bit of a bigger danger.

eager bluff
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this hinges on the assumption that all gods are inherently malicious

icy veldt
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Making Yharim a God-King just means making him a god who is a king, not a king of gods

wanton pendant
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No it doesn't?

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It's pretty heavily implied by god king he would be king of gods. What else would he be king of? Belgium?

icy veldt
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People

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God-king, as a title, is in the same format as god-emperor, i.e. an emperor who is a god. Not an emperor of gods

wanton pendant
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Why couldn't it be.

icy veldt
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Why couldn't 2 + 2 equal 5?

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Because it doesn't

eager bluff
icy veldt
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Hm?

eager bluff
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in the case of yharim it does in fact mean king of gods

icy veldt
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How do you know this?

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I gotta see it

eager bluff
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because i read the lore item and realized "oh well why would there be multiple gods pushing for a god-king if its just a regular ass god that rules a place"

icy veldt
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Fair enough, I will concede that

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But you're also right that "multiple gods" is far from "all gods"

wanton pendant
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Having someone crowned as 'King of Gods' is a very good excuse to demand subjugation and conquer.

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Especially if that individual is very belligerent.

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Now, who did they want for this title? Someone who would commit genocide at the drop a hat?

icy veldt
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Which would probably go far differently than Yharim's actual crusade

wanton pendant
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I am of the opinion that if Yharim became God King, a crusade of some form would have happened anyway.

icy veldt
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Yharim built much of his early appeal on fighting against the evil gods. Where would his appeal be if he were fighting for the evil gods against the rest of the world?

wanton pendant
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He would simply claim that he is the good god, and he is forcing order on the chaotic, maleovent ones.

icy veldt
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It might've started somewhat similarly, but it would've ended way differently

wanton pendant
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They refuse order and prosperity, thus they are evil.

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He has divine right, to oppose him would be to oppose destiny.

icy veldt
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And how many people would believe any of that? Far fewer than those who joined him with his actual approach

eager bluff
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a strong god commands a lot of power both physically and politically

wanton pendant
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What, the people who followed him because 'we must destroy the tyranical, evil gods' wouldn't fall for 'we must destroy the tyranical, evil gods'?

icy veldt
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Not if he was crowned by them

wanton pendant
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If he's the King of Gods, he has pretty good control of the narrative.

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He wasn't crowned by evil gods, they are his esteemed cabinet.

icy veldt
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Again, as was stated before, he would be proclaimed by the evil gods who wanted to make him king of all gods. I doubt he would have good control of the narrative, because other gods who aren't part of that evil cabal also exist, and they would also have much to say

wanton pendant
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(Also, consider that as a mortal Yharim is the second strongest being in this world, he would be quite a power as a god.)

icy veldt
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Second strongest being after his crusade, of course, with his attunement to Yharon and his Auric armor

wanton pendant
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He would have absorbed the soul of Yharon, and be a literal immortal deity.

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Would he even need Auric armour at that point?

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And if he needs a boost, he could still hire Draedon, nothing preventing that.

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If anything, they might work better together, since God King Yharim would likely be a bit more lenient on slavery.

icy veldt
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So let's say he became as powerful as, say, Providence. He leads the evil gods and launches a crusade against the rest of the world. He doesn't get Draedon, because I highly doubt Draedon would see the same potential in him. (Yharim was backed by the god of dogma, which became part of the Corruption and its Hive Mind, which would be anathema to Draedon's goals) The subsequent war would be costly, but it would not be as destructive as Yharim's crusade actually was

wanton pendant
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Of course, this version of Yharim would likely be even more of a tyrant, and likely permit slavery, so I'd say life in his empire would be even more dystopic.

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And with his main targets likely be more benevolent gods that would refuse to submit, it isn't a pretty picture.

icy veldt
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It would also not last as long, since this version of Yharim would be defeated

wanton pendant
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By whom?

icy veldt
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His enemies. Who else?

wanton pendant
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That's not really a good argument. Our Yharim almost got killed by his enemies, who's to say that one would also only almost be killed.

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Just 'he would lose' needs a bit more of a backing.

icy veldt
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Far different circumstances

wanton pendant
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Then what specific faction or individual do you think would take him down.

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Best odds lets say.

icy veldt
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Anyway, I'm tired of this pointless discussion, so I'll just let you believe whatever you want to believe

wanton pendant
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Not one for debate, are we?

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Alas.

icy veldt
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Not when it's with a brick wall

cosmic zenith
cosmic zenith
long bloom
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stip jumpscare

late veldt
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was Braelor x Statis always a thing or nah

long bloom
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what

wanton pendant
long bloom
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u mean statis?

wanton pendant
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Oh wait no.

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It's Braelor and Statis, not Signus.

cosmic zenith
light linden
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hi stip

late veldt
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right

wanton pendant
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I meant the crusade would be led by Yharim.

late veldt
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well anyways were they gay initially

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is what I'm asking

wanton pendant
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Like, he would do that whether or not he was god king.

long bloom
split mortar
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God king yharim vs god seeker yharim

wanton pendant
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That's the real question.

late veldt
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when they were first a thing, or at least their current incarnation

cosmic zenith
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Hello!

split mortar
wanton pendant
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Hi.

long bloom
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when they were planned to be a boss

cosmic zenith
wanton pendant
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Not really, I think Yharim's dispostion means he would have ended up leading some kind of grand war.

light linden
wanton pendant
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Whether this be against those who oppose him, him learning he's a puppet, or against some other force.

cosmic zenith
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Yes
That was the whole plan

wanton pendant
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Like, it's obvious he was going to be a puppet.

cosmic zenith
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Evil Gods wouldn't really make a stronger God, meant to be a ruler, if they don't benefit from said rule

wanton pendant
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(My original idea for the scenario was he wages war on the Distorion/Devourer of Gods to set an example or cement his rule, but their could be a wide arrange of things that would 'justify' crusading.)

cosmic zenith
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And considering the chief deity in that sect was the God of Dogma, you'd think they wouldn't want to actually surrender control

light linden
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I still hope we get to know at least one of the gods that tried to make-

long bloom
light linden
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is that a lore drop?

wanton pendant
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Yeah it's like N in Pokémon.

cosmic zenith
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Nah I think people already knew it

light linden
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I've never heard of that before

wanton pendant
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Never mind what I was going to say then.

long bloom
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yeah triangle triangleposted about it

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a while ago

light linden
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oh

long bloom
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when talking about evil2 reworks

wanton pendant
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So like, my hypothetical I thought of a while ago is that God-King Yharim would just, like, invade to prove his worth or something. Probably kill DoG in the process.

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Get himself some Cosmilite armour.

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Since he wouldn't have Auric Tesla.

cosmic zenith
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Oh yeah

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Have this

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Dank Creeper
Divine puppeteers beheld incessantly through their devotees, an organic panopticon for a wicked hive mind. Their word was truth, and evidence otherwise was burned. Even in decay, they summon subjects to creep, spy and kill.```
wanton pendant
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Heh, good thing I know what panopticon means.

cosmic zenith
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I've revealed Hive Blob a long time ago, and I'm leaving Dark Heart for the release

icy veldt
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Dark Shart

wanton pendant
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I guess more of what I was thinking is that Yharim would take basically any reason to start a crusade if he deemed it 'just'. So if he became a God-King, it would only be so long before he wages a war against someone or something for one reason or another.

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Hell, I wouldn't be surprised that in a scenario where Yharim wasn't chosen for being God-King, he'd have led the rebellion himself.

icy veldt
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Evidence that asbestos is harmless XD

wanton pendant
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God-King Yharim and his council of the God of Dogma, God of Propaganda, God of Control, God of Fealty and God of Communications.

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What could possibly go wrong?

icy veldt
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God of Microsoft Teams

wanton pendant
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That's their tech guy.

icy veldt
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We're fugged

wanton pendant
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What, you want the God of iOS to take over? I think not.

light linden
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i gotta finish making my fan made dragons and/or gods

icy veldt
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The God of Linux, except he only accepts being called the God of GNU/Linux, and prefers to call himself the God of GNU + Linux

wanton pendant
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God of Skype found dead in a ditch.

icy veldt
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No, the God of MS teams ascended with the soul of the Dragon of Skype

light linden
icy veldt
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Magentism, like the color magenta? ||jk||

light linden
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no

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like electromagnetism

wanton pendant
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No, you're thinking of Margarita, an alcoholic drink. Magnetism is the wife of Homer Simpson.

icy veldt
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Joke: YOU SPELLED IT WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!

light linden
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im not in the mood for jokes, i found one of my dogs dead less than an hour ago

icy veldt
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oh

wanton pendant
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Bro!?

cosmic zenith
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I'm sorry to hear AnahitaHug

pliant ruin
cosmic zenith
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My condolences

frosty charm
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Okay so I'm going over the noxus thing again, does the necrozma-like writing (escapes the distortion through the rift, eats the light of the sun and then the aerie) fit enough since I have no clue how I should write it

pliant ruin
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take your time to rest
i know losing a buddy like that is never easy :< i hope it lived a happy life

wanton pendant
split mortar
light linden
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nvm it was more than an hour ago, closer to two hours

wanton pendant
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I suppose that is how time works.

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Are you feeling better?

light linden
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no.

wanton pendant
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That's reasonable.

hoary cape
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My condolences

full comet
wanton pendant
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See, he cares about the environment. Truly a heroic individual.

pliant ruin
wanton pendant
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I have just made an error. I see now why so many in this server choose to not read.

light linden
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I don't blame him for not being ok with unleashing the ultron virus part 2

full comet
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Even before the virus

light linden
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there's a line between war crimes and ecological devastation on a planetary scale

full comet
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True

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But like

light linden
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I'm not defending the war crimes

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but jesus

full comet
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Crimson and Corruption moment, though tbf they were accidents early in his career

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And aren't as bad as uh

light linden
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I mean

full comet
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The plague

light linden
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in his defence

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he did something about the crimson and corruption

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not a full measure but still

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I still don't get why his response to a biomechanical plague was just "smash everything" but still

full comet
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Yharim is clearly a very reasonable and forward thinking person

light linden
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I mean

full comet
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The mountains of bodies prove it

light linden
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he doesn't seem to be completely idiotic

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dude knew enough military history to make draedon at least take note of it

wanton pendant
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Hey, if he didn't groom that teen, somebody worse would have done it instead, so he's basically a hero, she should thank him.

full comet
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At least

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Until it was too late

light linden
wanton pendant
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Yharim fully believes the crusade was a good idea. He only regrets how he did it.

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If he could, he'd do it again, but better.

long bloom
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he only regrets being unable to finish it

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and grooming calamitas

wanton pendant
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And recruiting DoG, and betraying his allies...

full comet
wanton pendant
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There are quite a few things he'd change.

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But he would do it again.

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No question.

light linden
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hopefully the mass civilian casualties

wanton pendant
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No, he probably would still do that.

light linden
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emphasis on hopefully

wanton pendant
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He doesn't seem that remorseful for Civilian Obliterator 17000.

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(Skeletron Prime.)

light linden
wanton pendant
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I think you're hopemaxxing too close to Xeroc.

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But he'd probably groom less kids this time.

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And actually handle his problems.

light linden
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anyways

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I don't get why draedon was ok with skeletron prime

full comet
light linden
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he doesn't have any morals but he also is aware of PR

full comet
light linden
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I'd prefer an exoskeleton

long bloom
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he didn't care about pr when fucking the sulphur sea further into the ground

sinful adder
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Actually he did? He asked draedon to fix it

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Or fix azafure or something

long bloom
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i'm talking about draedon

light linden
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I said draedon cares about pr

full comet
light linden
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not cares

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is aware of it

full comet
sinful adder
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Oh oops, thought this was about yharim

full comet
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It's hard to do good PR when the grass suddenly becomes either rotten or covered with gore

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Y'know?

light linden
full comet
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He isn't because it wasn't good enough

wanton pendant
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I'd say Yharim has morals, in contrast to Draedon, who has none.

cosmic zenith
wanton pendant
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He isn't moral though.

light linden
full comet
wanton pendant
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Plague is too close to slavery.

full comet
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That's what Draedon feels like with the Mechas

cosmic zenith
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He was mad about it unwillingly subjecting creatures to torturous conditions

light linden
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yes

wanton pendant
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Kinda like how he put Calamitas though immense stress as a living weapon.

cosmic zenith
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Byeah
It's not that his response was "smash everything"
It's that it infuriated him enough that he ended up smashing everything

long bloom
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stip can you confirm that the underworld draedon log mentions silva being in the abyss before year 0

wanton pendant
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Oh come on man.

cosmic zenith
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Yes, I can confirm

long bloom
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nice

cosmic zenith
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Find yourself someone who wants to be with you as much as the Abyss wants to be with Silva

full comet
# wanton pendant I'd say Yharim has morals, in contrast to Draedon, who has none.

I feel like Yharim is somebody who believes

"The Ends justifies the means".

If he traveled back to the beginning. He'd still do the crusade. But he's at least do stuff like contain the corruption and crimson better.

In his mind, the casualties from the wars are acceptable losses.

Permanent damage to Terraria, or too much pain on people are considered cruel for him.

wanton pendant
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Yes ends justify the means is his main justification.

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Doesn't matter how many he kills, who he allies with, who he betrays so long as the job is done.

long bloom
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his singular thought is "every god must die"

wanton pendant
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Like, he doesn't torture puppies for fun, but if it gave him a tactical advantage, he would.

pliant ruin
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the plague was bad but yharim has done so many, much worse things that him crashing out so badly over it while he does far worse himself just makes him seem pathethic

full comet
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Basically "If a civilian dies because a soldier accidentally shot their laser gun at them. Fine.

A zombie plague released and it isn't killing a God? Unacceptable."

wanton pendant
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Again, Calamitas was arguably close to being a slave in practice.

long bloom
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but it's different you don't understaaaaaaaaaaand /s

full comet
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God I hope not

wanton pendant
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Woah, Yharim isn't that kinda bad guy.

long bloom
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i don't think the writers would do that

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seems unnecessary

full comet
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Yeah

wanton pendant
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That's Deathstroke you're thinking of.

full comet
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PFFT

wanton pendant
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Not Yharim, doesn't befit his character.

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That wouldn't get him closer to killing a god.

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So why bother?

full comet
wanton pendant
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And he presents himself as a hero, there's nothing heroic about that.

full comet
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That blunt yet smooth voice

wanton pendant
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Never watched that.

full comet
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It's pretty good

wanton pendant
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But that's why Deathstroke is top tier in Child Abuse Scaling.

full comet
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Whatever the fuck they did in the original comic

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Jesus christ

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How did that get through editorial

long bloom
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glad i'm not a dc fan rn

wanton pendant
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A lot got through editorial back in the day.

pliant ruin
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can we not talk about this maybe

full comet
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Uhhh

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Wild

wanton pendant
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Yes, let's drop the matter.

full comet
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Agreed

pliant ruin
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gif didnt work so im killing it

wanton pendant
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Like civilian in glorious Yharim empire.

pliant ruin
wanton pendant
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What on earth is that gif.

full comet
pliant ruin
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god of chains being blown up with nukes

full comet
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Yharim's destroyed kingdom

wanton pendant
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Why does God of Chains have woke hair?

pliant ruin
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theyre woke

full comet
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Woker

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Wokest

pliant ruin
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they have like purple hair but i guess theres blue in there for some reason

wanton pendant
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Yet Woker.

tropic oak
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hi

pliant ruin
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hi john vcmm

wanton pendant
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Hello, we were talking about normal things.

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Like woke.

pliant ruin
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yes like god of chains from hit mod calamity

tropic oak
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yharim uses the torch god to geth igh

pliant ruin
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yepp

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torch god is a carbon monoxide induced illusion

wanton pendant
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Thanks for the theory.

tropic oak
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not theory

tropic oak
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FACT

full comet
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Seriously though, I do wish that there were biomes that were outright ruined cities.

Aside from the Underworld

tropic oak
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FACT CHECKED By TRUE CALAMITY PATROIT
S

wanton pendant
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How long has it been since I last saw Domo?

full comet
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Like Yharim supposedly destroyed a lot of kingdoms

wanton pendant
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Duck Life 3?

full comet
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We should see at least a couple more

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Y'know?

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Would be neat

cosmic zenith
long bloom
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thank god

wanton pendant
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We only explore a part of the world.

pliant ruin
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-# why is this even being brought up god help me

wanton pendant
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There are other places off map.

tropic oak
pliant ruin
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anyways that goliath sure brings the plague! #swag

full comet
tropic oak
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how do drugs fit into the lore #thewarondrugswaswonbydrugs

full comet
wanton pendant
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Yharim does steroids.

long bloom
wanton pendant
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Calamitas should probably be on something. Permafrost is old.

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Draedon does oil.

long bloom
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I'm old!

full comet
pliant ruin
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i forgot what i was supposed to test

full comet
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Apparently drives her insane

pliant ruin
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oh right

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dash

full comet
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So who knows wtf she sees

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Maybe it's like being on LSD 24/7

wanton pendant
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No I mean she should see a mental health professional.

full comet
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Drugs are the second best thing

wanton pendant
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We can make more.

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Also, Nurse.

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The professional then gives her drugs.

full comet
wanton pendant
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Due to the traumas and genocides and general horrors.

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Close enough.

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Are gods like drugs to DoG?

crimson pulsar
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Is wotg canon?

wanton pendant
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No.

long bloom
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no

cosmic zenith
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No addons are canon

crimson pulsar
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Confirmed?

long bloom
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yes

wanton pendant
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Yes?

cosmic zenith
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I'm a dev

wanton pendant
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New reading comprehension milestone unlocked.

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We've hit negatives.

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The creator of wotg is represented in base calamity though

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they're a former dev

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That's a dev item.

cosmic zenith
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^

long bloom
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wotg still isn't canon

crimson pulsar
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Ahhh I seee

cosmic zenith
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Dedicated items don't really have anything to do with lore

crimson pulsar
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Fair enough

long bloom
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they don't exist

cosmic zenith
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And yeah, it's a former dev

crimson pulsar
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Makes sense

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Stupid ass requirement though

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Astrageldon isn't real. You need to wake up.

full comet
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This is totally unrelated to anything btw

cosmic zenith
# pliant ruin the plague was bad but yharim has done so many, much worse things that him crash...

I remember commenting on this somewhere before, but
Yharim genuinely abhors that sort of blatant, dominant enslavement due to his trauma; he's had a terrible experience with it he wouldn't wish to his worst enemies
That said, the manipulation those Gods tried to exert on him did not work - he doesn't acknowledge it as enslavement, or at least not on the same disgusting, traumatizing level he places explicit dominance

full comet
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Goopy Oopy

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So weaponizing Calamitas is fair game to him since he never technically forced her. Only heavily encouraged.

cosmic zenith
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It's quite the irony that he perpetuated and perfected the manipulation used by the people he hated most in all of his life

cosmic zenith
full comet
cosmic zenith
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Calamitas' mental state was not in a condition to make reasonable decisions

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Like sure, treachery to his cause is a death sentence, but you can leave, Permafrost.

cosmic zenith
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And she had a reason to go along with it

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Yeah

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But also yes she was an impressionable teenager wanted vengeance and an outlet etc.

full comet
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Nahhh

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Can't be

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Still super manipulative.

full comet
cosmic zenith
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Yep

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Which is why I like Calamitas' story so much

full comet
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Also, someone claimed earlier that Calamitas attacked Ilmeris until she literally passed out, is this correct?

cosmic zenith
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She's not an evil person by nature, but she was pushed off the deep end

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Not sure, but it was like a day or so ago.

long bloom
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melongun maybe

cosmic zenith
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If it was not a dev, it's not true
If it is a dev, I need to talk to them lol

full comet
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Congratulations you have to kill a kid now

wanton pendant
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She's probably been artificially aged older.

cosmic zenith
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We're not putting explicit child murder in the mod

wanton pendant
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Through science stuff.

cosmic zenith
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Remember, this game is rated T

full comet
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T for Tear society apart.

cosmic zenith
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Believe me I have thought of stuff of that caliber

full comet
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I would advise looking into the lore of No Eyes in Hollow Knight

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Really grim shit

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Of course, if you're appropriately aged
Age ratings exist for a reason

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Hey, if we go by time, Clone still has to be like less then ten, so close enough! :)

long bloom
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@cosmic zenith

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Where did you get this from, melon gun?

full comet
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They're probably asleep.

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They're British, it's 3am there.

cosmic zenith
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Calamitas knows there's a clone of her

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Unless I have them confused for someone else.

cosmic zenith
full comet
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Casually

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True

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Though there's only one Calclone

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it's 3am for them rn

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melon

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On a related note, i should sleep. But I won't. Such is life.

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No, 3am at Greenwich.

full comet
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It says so on the top of my phone here.

full comet
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Also the idea is kinda cute

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I'd have her be part of some Permafrost quest line thing whatever.

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But Clone probably looks exactly like Calamitas apart from the scar (unless it's actually just a weird birthmark, for some reason???)

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Like the magic is so unwieldly that it's affecting the clone physically

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Draedon is a pretty good scientist, and I'd argue that kinda magic would more likely give her burns.

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So more Darth Vader then anything.

full comet
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So she ends up looking like Tetsuo

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Less Bioshock, I think.

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Unless the bone thing is still on the table...

full comet
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And probably is unstable mentally and physically

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No, Calamitas broke her out.

full comet
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Oh

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Well that just makes fighting the clone even sadder

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She's unstable due to Calamitas giving her some of her power.

full comet
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Well that's even sadderer

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Also, Calamitas knew the clone existed, and attacked Draedons' lab presumably to liberate her clone.

dull burrow
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So why does Calclone look.. like that

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She probably didn't expect the clone to immediately go insane

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Old sprite.

long bloom
alpine jetty
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so cal clone is just like a 9 year old freakin out right

dull burrow
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ahhhhh

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It's not clear of she intentionally or accidently gave her power.

dull burrow
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yeah cus old cal used to look similar too right

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Nine is in the high end.

full comet
# wanton pendant Old sprite.

Tbh I hope they keep the eye form in some regard.

I know that there's plans to remove it. But it just feels way too iconic honestly

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And it's somewhat comforting.

long bloom
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But Clone lacked the mental fortitude...

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i'd assume she's the same age as cal

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wait so like if we get cal clone as an npc is she just gonna talk about dolls and toy trains and shit

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Less then ten, more the one or two.

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Certainly had her aging accelerated.

full comet
long bloom
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@spare pier is calclone the same age as calamitas?

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Clone likely looked exactly like Calamitas at the time physically, sans any obvious environmental changes.

dull burrow
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I think it could be cool if calclone looked like this because it was freed before it was fully complete 😁

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thabk yoy

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And Clone probably was only ever around Draedon.

dull burrow
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im the lore rewriter now

spare pier
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I forgot to change our names here

full comet
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That girl knows nothing about how to act socially.

full comet
spare pier
alpine jetty
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do you reckon draedon was a good father aga

alpine jetty
long bloom
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Probably looks the exact same from when she was cloned but way diff now

alpine jetty
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oh

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both ig

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i meant mentally

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light linden
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He'd either make it super cool or a machine that eats babies

spare pier
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I don't really know, honestly, it's one of those things we'll decide exactly when we get there

full comet
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Or both

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Chronologically, obviously not. Physically, more or less.
Mentally, that's an interesting question.

dull burrow
supple bluff
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How far away was the cloning of cal to the events of the game?

dull burrow
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"yeah my dad built god slaying machines 🥱 "

light linden
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But longer then a year ago.

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So I kinda go for her being like, 8-5 maybe?

full comet
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Fuck

alpine jetty
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i kinda want her to just be a kid physically and mentally

supple bluff
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So I'd just imagine our scal we see is probably still very similar looking to the clone

alpine jetty
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it would be funny

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Physically no chance, no killing kids for Terrarian.

dull burrow
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like a whole ass toddler

alpine jetty
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yes

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"goo goo gaga"

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you look up in the sky and it's just a floating baby calclone with a diaper on

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Mentally, well, her development emotionally would likely be stunted by being raised as a science experiment by Draedon of all people.

full comet
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She'd probably make Calamitas look well adjusted in comparison.

supple bluff
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She was raised on war and magic so I can't imagine she would even realize what a healthy upbringing would look like

alpine jetty
#

au

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Clone was little more then a science experiment that didn't lead anywhere.

dull burrow
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alternate universe

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#

Alternate Universe.

alpine jetty
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oooh ok

long bloom
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basically fanfic

dull burrow
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SOMEONE wasnt a huge undertale nerd kid back in 2016

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LMAOOO my thoughts exactly

alpine jetty
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i searched up au meaning and undertale came up

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It's an alternative scenario to allow a widely different narrative on a different premise using the same roster.

supple bluff
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Ink sans created scal, she is an au of sans

dull burrow
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yeah LOL

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That's why she traps you in a box

dull burrow
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undertale really popularised the concept of au's even though it existed well before

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Like, I don't know, Calamity but it's a school and Yharim is the principal or something, or some other cliché.

supple bluff
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Undertale AU's took over the fandom after the games release and it's a good majority why the game would have a reputation of cringe and obsession

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Or where everythings evil and screwed up and has sharp teeth.

supple bluff
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Yharim would be the principal because he is just the leader but does not do the actual teaching

wanton pendant
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He has great comedic synergy with Superintendent Xeroc.

dull burrow
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calamitas would've been massively mischaracterised

wanton pendant
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Yes.

dull burrow
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probably suffer the same fate as chara

wanton pendant
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Double yes.

dull burrow
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because morally grey characters cant exist

supple bluff
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👍

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Permafrost is the cool teacher.

dull burrow
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either "calamitas is an innocent sweet baby angel who did nothing wrong" or "calamitas is a fucking evil BITCH'

supple bluff
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Permafrost is the one male science teacher you have that is actually just a guy that got roped into teaching kids

wanton pendant
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Chara made Calamitas do it.

dull burrow
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i cant believe it.

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chara made calamitas burn italy after being served bad pasta

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Calamitas is the main character and its her going through the absolute most traumatic school life imaginable.

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The author is projecting.

supple bluff
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Draedon is the borderline military instructor teacher that has no place in a school and everyone hates but will never act up around

dull burrow
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And she snaps at her bully and uses her full power to kill him

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Also powerscalers

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#

Noxus is the principal of a rival school.

dull burrow
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Oh god

supple bluff
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Yhon is the school mascot

dull burrow
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Powerscaling would be hell in the calamity universe

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If it was undertale-levels of popular

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Unrecognisably extrapolated in characterisation, he's our Gaster.

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Devourer is the Jock stereotype.

dull burrow
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Guys calamitas destroyed ten whole worlds and that was only 0.001% of her full power...

supple bluff
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Holy shit yes DoG is the jock bully

dull burrow
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And his fugly ass friend Signus

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#

Statis and Braelor are the gay stereotypes.

supple bluff
long bloom
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(obligatory)

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No he's the rival school principle.

supple bluff
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Dad is the football coach aswell

wanton pendant
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He's basically our Gaster.

supple bluff
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Oh okay

wanton pendant
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So everything about himself made up.

dull burrow
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what about him though

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And he's just put up against Xeroc because of course he would be.

long bloom
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Signus and Storm Weaver are Devourers yes men who are always by his side.

dull burrow
supple bluff
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Like I said, fugly ass friends LMAO

wanton pendant
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But Signus is actually the more sensitive one.

supple bluff
#

SECRETLY GAY BULLY LMAO

wanton pendant
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Providence is the queen bee stereotype (sorry Queen Bee.)

long bloom
#

silva is the principal

wanton pendant
#

No prizes for guessing what guardians are.

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No Yharim is.

supple bluff
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Silva is essentially Starfire personality

wanton pendant
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Come on, what else would he be?

long bloom
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the mayor

wanton pendant
#

You do t get the premise, it's a school au, so everyone is ham fisted into the school.

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No matter what.

supple bluff
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Exactly

wanton pendant
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So Yharim's principle, and Xeroc is superintendent.

supple bluff
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Xeroc is essentially the board of education

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Gotcha

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And Noxus leads the rival school. They're all like overly perfect there.

long bloom
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silva's the nurse then

supple bluff
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Prov is the grumpy bitchy math teacher

wanton pendant
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Unlike the wacky and crazy school Calamitas is going too!!!1!

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No Providence is the queen bee archetype.

supple bluff
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With her three bratty kids that are also enrolled in the school and use the excuse "my mom's a teacher" to get away with being NEEERRRRDS

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Guardians are her fellow cheerleader friends who all inexplicably are Californian.

supple bluff
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OH SHIT UR RIGHR

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We needed a mean girl

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I study media, I've figured out how these things work.

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Providence is the mean girl.

long bloom
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provi is the mean popular girl and otonilou is the nice popular girl

wanton pendant
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Zeratros is the old principle Yharim looks up to.

wanton pendant
supple bluff
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He has a picture of him on the wall and everything

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Amidias is the nice young teacher who's in over his head.

supple bluff
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I have the imagine Yharim is like Glam from Metal Family

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It fits my head canon for this school au

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He is exceedingly mischaracterized as basically Papyrus.

supple bluff
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LMAO

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Slime God is the weird kid.

supple bluff
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Who's our Alphys?

alpine jetty
#

ravager aga

wanton pendant
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Good question.

long bloom
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slime god is the queer band kid

supple bluff
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LMAO

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Ravager is our amalgamate along with the other amalgamates.

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But Ravager is alive and he's the guidance councillor.

supple bluff
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The worms have to be like a group of kids that play D&D in the one kids basement while the sneak a beer out of their dad's mini fridge

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Hive Mind is just Berdly.

alpine jetty
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Destroyer specifically thinks he's too good for the group and would be the one to try to become "cool" in college

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The regular Mechs are the delinquents.

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Exo Mechs, despite being younger in game are their cool older brothers they try to be like.

alpine jetty
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destroyer is the person who think hes a sigma and watches joe rogan but he actually just has social anxiety and no friends

wanton pendant
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As I said, delinquents.

alpine jetty
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wait

alpine jetty
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Exo's are the 4th years that everyone is somehow chill with

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Devourer is the Jock.

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Who else but him.

alpine jetty
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oh he does have a posse

supple bluff
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Ye

alpine jetty
#

signus the sigma

supple bluff
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Storm weaver and sig

wanton pendant
alpine jetty
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cealseless the crib

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storm weaver is the hype man

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Devourers a jerk, but he's on the sports team.

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The author doesn't know anything about sports so they don't specify.

supple bluff
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Plantera I have to imagine is just the most basic white girl you ever damn meet

wanton pendant
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She's the girl who loves gardening.

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This is her entire personality.

supple bluff
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Loves plants, loves animals, very protective

distant smelt
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Queen bee is mentioned but currently out sick (plaguebringer)

wanton pendant
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True.

supple bluff
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Queen Bee is in her emo phase

wanton pendant
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They are for some reason merged as a character.

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Author misunderstood the lore there.

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Calamitas is also obviously a self insert.

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Painfully obvious.

supple bluff
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Queen Bee and Plague bringer are the same character with DID

distant smelt
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Skeletron is actually a stolen theatre prop puppeted by the clothier for shits and giggles

wanton pendant
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Polterghast is Calamitas conscience anthropomorphized.

supple bluff
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LMAO like that one kid from Victorious that has a puppet

wanton pendant
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Eye of Cthulhu is a kid with glasses.

alpine jetty
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who is calamitas tho

wanton pendant
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Main character.

supple bluff
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Self insert, get up to speed

alpine jetty
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is she just the socially anxious teen with no friends

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true..

alpine jetty
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cause thats me

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Self insert. Gets up to wacky hijinks in her crazy school.

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It is obvious projection.

long bloom
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what do cataclysm and catastrophe do

wanton pendant
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Author is like 15 at most.

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They're her cool older brothers.

supple bluff
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Older brothers

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But they graduated.

supple bluff
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YESSS

distant smelt
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Anahita is a choir kid with an emotional support dog

supple bluff
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I love how this is mutually agreed upon

alpine jetty
wanton pendant
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See, as we go on, you see the vision I see for this woefully cliché misadventure someone had made in the world where Calamity and Undertale swapped places.

distant smelt
wanton pendant
supple bluff
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Old duke is definitely the teacher that should be a nursing home and is out 90% of the year

alpine jetty
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wait so who is cal clone

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younger sister who is kinda annoying

supple bluff
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Tries to copy her older sister

wanton pendant
long bloom
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who r draedon and permafrost again

brazen swallow
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I love how calamity is so about destruction and violence and war and god killing and this community is like

supple bluff
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Her styling, her behavior, but get aggressive when anybody tries to point it out

wanton pendant
brazen swallow
brazen swallow
supple bluff
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Drae is the military officer like teacher, Permafrost is just a guy that teaches and is everyone's favorite

wanton pendant
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Permafrost is the cool tea her right.

long bloom
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then who's the football coach

wanton pendant
brazen swallow
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the horrors

supple bluff
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Yes

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He loves the outdoors and soaking up some sun.

distant smelt
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Lunatic cultist is inexplicably the stoner

supple bluff
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LMAO

brazen swallow
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LOL

wanton pendant
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He's the weird teacher.

distant smelt
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Chemistry teacher

brazen swallow
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who would the primordial wyrm be?

long bloom
#

theology teacher

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cultist

wanton pendant
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No, Yharim runs an educate together school, they do ethics instead.

distant smelt
supple bluff
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He definitely include religious bullshit in his lessons even though they are not related at all

brazen swallow
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it's a secret boss so it could be the most introverted guy or something

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jared calamity mod

supple bluff
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EMO KID

brazen swallow
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LMAO

wanton pendant
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Wyrm's the drug dealer guy.

brazen swallow
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REAL

supple bluff
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Jared secretly sells green to Lunatic Cultist

wanton pendant
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Devourer is his biggest customer, but he can't let anyone know because reputation is everything in high school.

brazen swallow
wanton pendant
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Moon Lord in the janitor, for some ungodly reason.

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And he has a dark backstory.

supple bluff
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LMAO

long bloom
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yes

brazen swallow
supple bluff
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He creeps out kids that just look at him, but talking to him is chill as fuck

wanton pendant
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He once tried to become principal but lost his degree due to some reason or other.

distant smelt
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Following yharon mascot dragonfolly is the one they tried to phase in for a year or two but everyone hated it so they went back

wanton pendant
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He doesn't talk about it much.

brazen swallow
alpine jetty
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pbg is the kid whos always sick

wanton pendant
alpine jetty
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oh

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whoops

brazen swallow
wanton pendant
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She's also queen bee because the author misunderstood that part of the lore.

brazen swallow
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yeha that

distant smelt
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Shit who have we not done im drawing blanks

alpine jetty
#

empress of light slayyy

supple bluff
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Dragonfolly to me is like the old mascot before Yharim came to be principal

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Desert Scourge and Aquatic Scourge are brothers and opposites.

alpine jetty
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the astrum fellas

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Empress is just 100% the pretty girl

alpine jetty
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shes prom queen

wanton pendant
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She's like Providences rival.

long bloom
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wait wait
permafrost: chemistry teacher
old duke: history teacher
cultist: ???
god of dogma: theology teacher

brazen swallow
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And DoG is in a relationship with Peov but secretly wishes he could be with EoL

brazen swallow
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astrum deus is two guys in a trench coat

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Yharim wouldn't have a school with a region class.

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He'd have an ethics class.

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Astrum aureus is the only kid who gets along with draedon and no one can figure out how

alpine jetty
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hes basically the equivalent to being an incel for gods

brazen swallow
wanton pendant
brazen swallow
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and he keeps trying to remove it or replace it with ethics or sometihng

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amazing lore

alpine jetty
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all gods are the same...

supple bluff
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So is dating EoL?

alpine jetty
#

skeletron

brazen swallow
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LMFAO

wanton pendant
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They always butt heads as Yharim wants a secular school.

supple bluff
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Oh wait I forgot DoG and Sig are secretly gay

wanton pendant
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But Dogma wants to introduce a religion class.

wanton pendant
distant smelt
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King& queen slime?

wanton pendant
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The couple.

brazen swallow
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I could imagine the mech bosses always getting in trouble and having yharim chasing them through halls or something

wanton pendant
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That's the extent of their character.

distant smelt
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Wait i forgot queen slime is slime god pt 2
How does that work

long bloom
brazen swallow
alpine jetty
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skeletron is the ugly kid everyone makes fun of

brazen swallow
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I wonder if this convo is even related to the topic of this chat but I love it so much lmao

alpine jetty
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thats why empress of light likes him

#

him*

wanton pendant
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DoG, Providence and Empress all hate each other.

brazen swallow
long bloom
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goozma is slime god's cool older brother

wanton pendant
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They compete for the same general position as most popular.

brazen swallow
distant smelt
wanton pendant
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No, this is character analysis.

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It's just how would a 15 year old Undertale fan in 2016 perceive the characters?

alpine jetty
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skeletron is like august from wonder in my mind

brazen swallow
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this could potentially expand the lore of each character and only make them feel more alive, trust

wanton pendant
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And I think we are doing a great job so far.

distant smelt
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Ok but guys

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Evil bosses

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Hive Mind is the nerd.

alpine jetty
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wall of flesh is the school bathroom

wanton pendant
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Perforators are triplets and their big brother.

distant smelt
brazen swallow
brazen swallow
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Wall of Flesh is the fat guy. That's it.

brazen swallow
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GOD

wanton pendant
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That was me.

brazen swallow
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oh yeah

wanton pendant
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He's Berdly.

brazen swallow
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I could imagine that lmao

wanton pendant
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Eater of Worlds is the guy who asks for a bite of others lunches.

brazen swallow
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what about brain of chtulhu?

distant smelt
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Eater of worlds is that one kid in the friend group who eats half the menu and is still skinny

wanton pendant
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Also a nerd.

wanton pendant
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But even more arrogant.

long bloom
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perf hive is the quarterback

wanton pendant
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Hive mind is like Berdly, but BoC is way worse.

brazen swallow
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BoC is literally a giant brain

wanton pendant
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Perforator is triplets and their big brother in the class ahead.

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Also, everyone has a humanised design.

plucky juniper
#

why is lore discussion discussing the bosses in a school au

wanton pendant
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It is alarmingly obvious which anime is the authors favourite based on the designs.

plucky juniper
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have we gone so mad without spoilers

brazen swallow
wanton pendant
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Which anime is left as an exercise to the reader.

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Whichever makes the funniest design.

distant smelt
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Astrum deus keeps getting asked if he and DoG are siblings and is really sick of it by this point

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True.

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would astrum deus be in the phase 1 or 2 form?

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DoG is somehow never asked

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He's from a different country, making it extra weird.

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it divides into two smaller worms so it could be twins

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He's two faced.

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And he has a messed up side due to Astral Infection.

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Tragic, I know.

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Skin condition

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I imagine he would act gollum with his nice and bad sides fighting constantly trying to come out on top

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Astrum Aureus is the autism stereotype.

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NOOOOO

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The author didn't know any better.

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i hate that makes sense

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Why?

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How?

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Which anime was he inspired by?

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I have no idea

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Wait

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Cnidrion is Calamitas' loveable pet.

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Oof.

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Alright I need a fact check so far

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Someone make a highschool au lore document.

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Scal: Main Character, Self Insert of author, quiet, shy, anxious
Xeroc: Superintendent/BOE
Yharim: Principal
Permafrost: "cool" history teacher
Old Duke: Grumpy math teahcer
Draedon: Strict military like science teacher
Cultist: "Ethics" teacher, Stoner, Brings up religion a LOT
Golem: Sports Coach
Mech Trio: Delinquents
Exo Mechs: Cool Seniors everyone is chill with
DoG: Jock/Bull, Homophobic (on the surface)
Signus: DoG's right hand, Secretly gay
Storm Weaver: Scrawny member of DoG's posse
EoL: the pretty girl
Prov: Queen archetype
Prov Guards: Prov's bratty Posse
Hive Mind: nerd
BoC: BIGGER NERD
EoC: slightly less nerdy
Jared: Drug dealer - main customers being DoG and Cultist
Slime god: Unbelievably ugly
King & Queen Slime: Been dating since middle school

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I'm not doing it it's nearly 4am.

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oh woah

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Was already on it LMAO

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Yeah mostly right.

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Providence is a Queen Bee archtype.

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I got that

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Jared?

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Oh I guess I missed bee lmao

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Jared.

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Dogma is the ethics teacher but he misses the days when he though religion.

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Wyrm.

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Oooooh

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Nicknamed Jared.

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Don't know why.

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I haven't been in the community for a bit sec, what the fuck is a dogma

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god of dogma

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The guy who tried to make Yharim God King, among others.

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Ah

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Well, he's one of them.

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the main god in hive mind

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So what does cultist teacg

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Chemistry I guess.

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theology

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I like that trend of naming powerful bosses a basic human name

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Dogma used to teach theology but Yharim made him change to an ethics class.

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I like to thank that it's this and yharim hates him but only keeps him in because it's legally required to have that class

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There isn't theology in Yharims school cause he hates gods, that's why it's changed to ethics

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Ok, Cultist is biology, and he's obbessed with dinosaurs.

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Yeah what they said

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LMAO

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What was old duke again
Because duke fishron

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She's the gardener.

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old duke is history teacher

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very old teacher I think

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Old Duke is absolutely history, you're right.

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Duke fishron is the military kid

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They can have more then one gardener.

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old duke works even better

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Plantera is the plucky new hire, but Silva is the old experienced one. They have crazy sub-plots.

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who's the math teacher

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That can be Cultist.

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That's old duke

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Cause math teachers always hate math

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No Old Duke's history.

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And he's geumpy

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Duke Fishron is his grandson who thinks he's too cool for school.

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Wait wait but then what does Perma teach cause I thought he was the cool history teacher

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Cryogen is that one vending machine that just eats your money occasionally

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LMAO

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permafrost is yharim's advisor(?) so he could have a similar charge?

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Permafrost is chemistry and is also Calamitas' dad and gives her advice often.