lore-discussion

[wanton pendant]

She's in the eyeball. That's what they're going with.

[crisp umbra]

by dad

you mean

[pliant ruin]

She literally calls him dad

[crisp umbra]

adopted

[pliant ruin]

It's just an adoptive one

[wanton pendant]

She's adopted.

[pliant ruin]

Yeah

[crisp umbra]

just wanted to make sure

[wanton pendant]

And is an adopted dad any less real?

[crisp umbra]

no

[wanton pendant]

He's the dad who stepped up.

[long bloom]

was not aware that was in the game

[wanton pendant]

Not yet.

Next update trust.

[pliant ruin]

Until it gets resprited anyways
She's not meant to be the eyeball but they needed an Excuse i guess

[long bloom]

[wanton pendant]

Not cope.

[pliant ruin]

Cei has shown dialogue here before

[crisp umbra]

and when is next update gonna be?

[pliant ruin]

It's not ingame yet but will be

[pliant ruin]

eventually

[long bloom]

this year probably

[pliant ruin]

one day even

sometime perhaps

[wanton pendant]

But in reality, the clone is identical to Calamitas, but she probably is missing her scar.

Late this year at the earliest.

[crisp umbra]

may god hear you

[wanton pendant]

Or next year.

[long bloom]

sso november/december guys

[pliant ruin]

There are no release dates but given it's the biggest update calamity has ever had it'll probably still take a bit
Progress has been steady though so its possible it'll come out this year or next one

[crisp umbra]

and what will we see in the update

?

[long bloom]

sunken sea overhaul

[wanton pendant]

Sunken Sea Overhaul.

And other stuff.

[long bloom]

🐌

[wanton pendant]

Thanks, Fabsol.

[crisp umbra]

new boss resprite

?

[pliant ruin]

desert scourge

[wanton pendant]

Yeah, Giant Clam.

[crisp umbra]

yess

[long bloom]

and cnidrion

[wanton pendant]

Cnidrion is back!

With a vengeance!

[crisp umbra]

who is that? is it posible for him to be the final boss of terraria that got deleted?

[wanton pendant]

Cnidrion? It's a seahorse.

[crisp umbra]

oh

[pliant ruin]

its the biggest update calamity has ever seen and it will completely rework the sunken sea alongside several new items, worldgen and creatures, add proper questlines and implement the mod's story, rework several other items, and completely rework Desert Scourge, Giant Clam and Cnidrion's fights

[wanton pendant]

They rode them into battle back in the day....

If it's about cat girls...

[crisp umbra]

so

my actual world

will change?

[pliant ruin]

no

[wanton pendant]

No.

Not how it works.

You'll have to make a new one.

[pliant ruin]

if your world was made before worldgen changes it'll stay that way

[crisp umbra]

😭

[wanton pendant]

That's why Hardmode exists, so that new features could be added to old worlds back in the day.

[crisp umbra]

will you start again

[wanton pendant]

Yes.

[crisp umbra]

everything again

??

[wanton pendant]

Yes.

[crisp umbra]

i mean itds just so difficult

[pliant ruin]

If you want to experience the new worldgen yeah you have to make a new world

[long bloom]

new world

[wanton pendant]

I'm not afraid.

[icy veldt]

It's honestly ridiculous that Cnidrion is a spelling for something in English. How is it even pronounced? Is the C silent??? If so, then that's just terrible! Volo omnes loqui Latine (I wish everyone spoke Latin)

[crisp umbra]

i dont even know how i completed it

[pliant ruin]

It's just how the game works man

[crisp umbra]

yeah i know

[wanton pendant]

Snid-ree-on.

[long bloom]

yeah the c is silent

[pliant ruin]

Cnidrion is so weird because like

[long bloom]

nid ree on

[pliant ruin]

Why is it called Cnidrion

[icy veldt]

That's awful

Wtf, English

[wanton pendant]

Nid? That's awful.

[pliant ruin]

Cnidrion comes from Cnidarian

[young socket]

it has nothing to do with like

[pliant ruin]

What about this thing is rmeotelly Jellyfish

[young socket]

the jellyfish family

since thats wat cnidarian means iirc

[wanton pendant]

I blame the French, frankly.

Why is the sea horse named after jelly fish.

Who's idea was this?

[icy veldt]

Σnidrion

[long bloom]

likely fabsol

[wanton pendant]

What next, we name a destructive person after a word for destruction?

[wanton pendant]

I don't know greek pronunciations.

[young socket]

the humble calamitas:

[pliant ruin]

pfft, whats next

[icy veldt]

I think it'd be better to spell it Knidrion, since that has precedent with the word "knight"

[jaunty wraith]

She does know a thing or two about scorching jellyfish

[pliant ruin]

naming a ice wizard after ICE???

[wanton pendant]

Surely they wouldn't do it two more times?

[young socket]

next we are gonna find out the ice guy has an ice pun in their name

[icy veldt]

English is just a poorly-spelled/pronounced language

[young socket]

😭

[wanton pendant]

Not a bad idea.

[young socket]

same brain cell

[wanton pendant]

We should all just switch to... uh... Cornish?

[crisp umbra]

what are the origins of auric ore?

or it just spawned

[icy veldt]

What's next, naming the water elemental after a goddess of ocean in an IRL religion?

[wanton pendant]

Dragon power. Or something.

[icy veldt]

Latin, you fool!

[wanton pendant]

No, that's a romance language, and we're gamers.

We don't do romance.

We can do Manx, if you prefer?

[icy veldt]

Latin is an Italic language, part of the Italo-Celtic languages, part of the Indo-European languages. The Romance languages came from Vulgar Latin (sermo vulgaris "how those vulgar plebeians speak"), but Latin itself is not a Romance language

[wanton pendant]

Nerd.

[icy veldt]

Te coquam et edam

||I will cook and eat you||

[wanton pendant]

I'm inedible.

Alright, how about Basque?

[icy veldt]

Klingon

[wanton pendant]

That's canon to Terraria...

[icy veldt]

Soyjaq SoH 'ej chaD jIH 'e' vInarghmoH ||I portray you as the soyjak and myself as the Chad||

[wanton pendant]

Alright, that's it, you're learning Manchurian, and you are going to like it.

[icy veldt]

I'm disappointed no one asked about this

[wanton pendant]

They were really banking on nobody knowing Old Persian.

Nerd.

[icy veldt]

I will remove one of your spatial dimensions, crumple up your now-2-dimensional body, and flush you down the toilet

[wanton pendant]

I'm not anchored in any of your commoner dimensions, peasant. Go exist in only 3 planes.

[cosmic zenith]

ICE-E with giant mana fists

I should make that an rp character....

[wanton pendant]

ICE-E? I think I like that name...

[crisp umbra]

why cant i summon him

[wanton pendant]

Wrong channel.

And did you use the item that prevents it from spawning?

[crisp umbra]

maybe

how do i quit it

to which channel do i go

[wanton pendant]

In addon talk.

[crisp umbra]

ok

[wanton pendant]

Click on it, it should be to the side.

[crisp umbra]

thx

[long bloom]

the warrior's dark world form

[vast cosmos]

theres a lot of lore I don't understand yet but what the hell is Calamitas' deal

what does she want

[wanton pendant]

She was turned into a child soldier.

She wants Yharim to not happen again.

[vast cosmos]

Okay I think I need more context. I'll figure it out I think

[wanton pendant]

When she was around 13 her city was burnt to the ground.

She also got super powers.

[vast cosmos]

https://tenor.com/view/pixels-adam-sandler-pacman-pacmans-a-bad-guy-bad-guy-gif-4736079244750511654

Screw you tenor

[wanton pendant]

She went to Yharim, or was brought to him, not made clear.

And Permafrost adopted her.

[vast cosmos]

Yharim is a bad guy?

[wanton pendant]

Yes.

[vast cosmos]

Huh

[wanton pendant]

He's literally the villain.

Main antagonist.

[vast cosmos]

I've only heard his name in passing to be fair

[wanton pendant]

Literally committed genocide.

He talks to you during the entire game.

[long bloom]

he's the one talking in every lore item

he's the one that killed billions of people

[vast cosmos]

antagonist ≠ the big bad tho. like Kris Deltarune is antagonistic towards the player but theyre not evil

[wanton pendant]

I know that.

[long bloom]

he is evil though

[wanton pendant]

But he literally groomed a child.

[long bloom]

see: killing billions of people

[wanton pendant]

I study media, I know the meaning of antagonist.

[vast cosmos]

But why

[long bloom]

why what

[vast cosmos]

does he have a motive

[wanton pendant]

Vengeance.

[long bloom]

to kill every god

[vast cosmos]

Or was he just bored

[wanton pendant]

And justice, as he claims.

He likes dragons.

Gods kill dragons.

He kills gods.

[long bloom]

and all those that worship

[wanton pendant]

He's racist.

Backstabbing.

Old.

[long bloom]

even though the majority of gods are good people, they still have to die in his eyes

[wanton pendant]

*were.

Do we know that for certain?

[long bloom]

true

[vast cosmos]

is there a correlation with yharim and yharon sounding kinda similar

[wanton pendant]

Yes.

Yharon is literally Yharim + Dragon.

[vast cosmos]

Oh

[ivory vigil]

All of these put it in my head that Yharim is a boomer

[wanton pendant]

They aren't that creative with names.

[long bloom]

in new lore yharim named himself after yharon to show honor

[wanton pendant]

When was that mentioned?

[vast cosmos]

Calamitas like calamity

[long bloom]

devs

[wanton pendant]

Technically, Calamity is like Calamitas, Calamitas is the older word.

[ivory vigil]

Yharon + HIM. Truly a goated name

[vast cosmos]

having 2 different continuities is so confusing (coming from a Rain World fan btw (rain world has 3))

[wanton pendant]

The old lore isn't canon.

[icy veldt]

It's just one. The old lore is obsolete

[wanton pendant]

And nobody cares about it anymore.

[long bloom]

because it sucked bad

[vast cosmos]

Wowee

[wanton pendant]

Draedon was from space...

Yharim goes to space.

A lot of space stuff happens.

[vast cosmos]

how extensive is the lore

[wanton pendant]

Decently big.

[long bloom]

pretty extensive

[vast cosmos]

how long would it take me to figure it all out

[wanton pendant]

I'm working on it.

[long bloom]

read the pinned google doc

[vast cosmos]

im an undertale fan i cant read

[wanton pendant]

We know.

[long bloom]

tragic

[vast cosmos]

(i will probably read the doc later)

[wanton pendant]

How many times must people come here asking what things that clearly state what they do do?

'What does the world nuker do?'

[icy veldt]

I was just about to joke "What does the planet-explode-inator do?"

[ivory vigil]

Could the United States Military take out Yharim's forces?

[icy veldt]

One mind

[long bloom]

yes

[wanton pendant]

No.

[icy veldt]

Maybe

[vast cosmos]

Wow

[wanton pendant]

Do we give Yharim Calamitas?

Do we give him himself?

[long bloom]

they can't survive a nuke

[wanton pendant]

Do we give him DoG?

[long bloom]

none of them can survive a nuke

[icy veldt]

Have you considered Exterminatus?

[vast cosmos]

yharim worked with that fucking worm thing?

[wanton pendant]

DoG can teleport.

DoG saved Yharim's life.

[ivory vigil]

I mean. It's still just dog and yharim then

[wanton pendant]

And yes, extensively, Yharim blames all his problems on him.

[ivory vigil]

If the US can 1 shot most of his forces it does look pretty bleak

[wanton pendant]

Yharim can, I don't know, parry the nuke.

Calamitas can fly away, I guess?

[long bloom]

the devs have stated multiple times that a nuke would wipe out every calamity character except xeroc

[ivory vigil]

You aren't safe from a nuclear blast even if you are in the sky

[long bloom]

[wanton pendant]

Draedon's got nukes.

Why doesn't he just nuke the US? Is he stupid?

[ivory vigil]

I do not believe a Gauss Nuke is equivalent to a nuclear bomb

[wanton pendant]

Why doesn't Calamitas just use the Rod of Discord? Is she stupid?

Are you really going to say he can't make a normal nuke?

[gritty kraken]

The one that cause acid rain stuff

[wanton pendant]

No.

[ivory vigil]

Why wouldn't he have done that already?

[wanton pendant]

How do you know he hasn't?

[ivory vigil]

If he could he has no reason not to have done that

[ivory vigil]

Because we killed his greatest creations. Arming them with the power of the sun sounds like something you give to your greatest creation

[wanton pendant]

Nuke is too imprecise, too clumsy, of course he wouldn't rely on them.

His machines are art.

Not some toy.

[vast cosmos]

the lore document kinda implies that yharim is a good guy in the beginning so im kinda confused

[wanton pendant]

Propaganda.

[ivory vigil]

Why be artistic when you can say "FUCK EVERYTHING IN THAT DIRECTION"

[wanton pendant]

He was comitting genocide.

[gritty kraken]

there is this one new slime they’re adding in acid rain update and it just have a little nuclear bomb inside it I think

[wanton pendant]

Why would he do that, and devastate the land he wishes to study?

[ivory vigil]

He did that though

[wanton pendant]

Draedon may have dropped something.

It was one time.

[ivory vigil]

He did ruin the land he was studying in the sulfurs sea

[vast cosmos]

is the document trustworthy or not 😭

[wanton pendant]

Yeah he wanted to study what happens when you nuke someone.

[wanton pendant]

Mostly accurate, there's like one error because of an error in game.

Supreme Witch, Calamitas' bestiary entry states she served for nearly ten years. This is incorrect, she served for less.

[ivory vigil]

Why not test what happens when you nuke someone who is blitzing through Fovos, Dog, Providence, ceaseless void

[gritty kraken]

The radiation was so bad old Duke was going to turn into pure nuclear monster in phase 3

[wanton pendant]

Then he'd lose his favourite test subject, and for what? That nukes work?

He probably knows a nuke would kill you.

So why bother? Nothing new to learn.

[ivory vigil]

AHAHA. We found a problem!

He wouldn't have meaningfully studied us if he had a weapon beyond us

However he sends his creations after us to study us

Him not using the nuke implies he knows our limits

[wanton pendant]

Do you think military engineering is the only reason he wishes to study?

[ivory vigil]

Him testing us implies he doesn't

[vast cosmos]

who are the onyx kinsmen

[wanton pendant]

His machines are made for war, not mindless destruction, they are precise as they are deadly.

[wanton pendant]

They're dead.

Except Statis.

Who is gay and lost some limbs making a deal.

[icy veldt]

He knows that a nuke is beyond our limits. He's refining his knowledge by narrowing the range of possibilities

[nimble mantle]

How to speak Providence

[wanton pendant]

Use lots of slurs.

[vast cosmos]

i assume every character is dead by default

but who are they

[gritty kraken]

Kil

[vast cosmos]

*were

[wanton pendant]

They were ninjas or something who worshipped slime god.

Only one left, and he's looking for his boyfriend.

Will be in future update with a quest line.

Yes, they're adding woke.

[ivory vigil]

I thought the kinsman worshipped signus or am I still old lore brained?

[wanton pendant]

Signus stole the last one's limbs.

[ivory vigil]

Yoink

[nimble mantle]

Calamityaoi

[wanton pendant]

I don't know what that means.

If he asked for worship as part of the deal, it ain't going so well, since Statis wants him dead.

And also, is the only chap left.

[ivory vigil]

Isn't signus technically distortion satan

[wanton pendant]

No?

[nimble mantle]

Singus...

Damn, didn't know Signus got a cousin, Singus

[wanton pendant]

He's from there.

[nimble mantle]

[wanton pendant]

All in le head.

[nimble mantle]

Signus singer when

[icy veldt]

Related to Bingus?

[nimble mantle]

[ivory vigil]

Okay I may be too old lore brained

In the distortion hierarchy Signus is above Dog right or was that removed

[wanton pendant]

No.

[ivory vigil]

[wanton pendant]

Signus is just some guy.

[long bloom]

still correct

[wanton pendant]

DoG follows Noxus.

[long bloom]

he's still higher in the hierarchy

[icy veldt]

Signus -> Ligmus

[wanton pendant]

What heirarchy?

[young socket]

this is literally new lore stuff

[long bloom]

the natural order of the distortion

[young socket]

everything u asked was stuff only found in new lore

[icy veldt]

"It's so sad that the Onyx Kin died of Ligmus"
"Who the hell are the Onyx Kin?"
"Ligmus balls"

[ivory vigil]

Wait so the kinsmen do worship signus and signus is distortion Satan????

[young socket]

yes

[long bloom]

basically

[wanton pendant]

He's not satan? Wouldn't that be more Noxus?

[ivory vigil]

I was being fucking gaslit by Water

[long bloom]

nah

[young socket]

you should look up the origins of "faustian bargain"...

[wanton pendant]

I know about faust!

[real silo]

Satan as in the guy who makes deals with people not as in the evil demon lord

[wanton pendant]

Look, I'm sorry I wasn't here when the devs gave the freaking class system of the Distortion breakdown presentation. I was busy that day.

[ivory vigil]

Ngl I'd worship Signus he seems chill

[wanton pendant]

Bad idea.

He'd probably steal your knees.

Jerk.

[long bloom]

so don't answer questions so confidently if you don't know???

[wanton pendant]

At that rate, it's highway robbery.

[ivory vigil]

Like current jobs won't do the same

[wanton pendant]

I don't know that I don't know!

[ivory vigil]

Become an Onyx Kinsman today. We have benefits

[glacial rampart]

satan and lucifer are actually never stated to be the same being originally

[wanton pendant]

This is Calamity and Terraria lore discussion not the Council of Nicaea.

[cosmic zenith]

Signus is not above DoG

Just looking at progression should make that clear :/

Signus simply is a closer type of being to Noxus in relation to DoG, which doesn't make it stronger than DoG

[wanton pendant]

Yeah that's why I was so confused.

Because how the hell is the DEVOURER OF GODS below the tooth man.

[pliant ruin]

He's not stronger than DoG but he's an independent guy while DoG is subservient to Noxus
Don't think anyone said Signus was stronger than DoG

The usage of the word "hierarchy" is not really adequate tho

Seems to imply a strict ranking or somethinh which isnt really the case

[dusk laurel]

the correct way to say it is that signus just has more aura

[wanton pendant]

By the sounds of it, Signus is just a closer related creature.

Like, Noxus probably resembles Signus a lot more then it resembles DoG.

[long bloom]

true

[long bloom]

how do you know that

[wanton pendant]

It's an assumption based on him being a closer type of being.

Which would imply they are more similar.

[pliant ruin]

Factual

[wanton pendant]

By that being what those words mean.

In short, Noxus probably isn't a giant worm.
(Unfortunate.)

[long bloom]

well duh

[pliant ruin]

I think its less so direct biological relation more so the roles they fill

[long bloom]

but noxus probably created dog

[cosmic zenith]

^

In appearance, Noxus is quite distinct from both

[long bloom]

hm

[wanton pendant]

Well, I would assume they wouldn't look the same.

[cosmic zenith]

Though he will share some familiarity with DoG to hint at their connection

[wanton pendant]

I wasn't thinking 'big Signus.' Write that down for an addon.

[long bloom]

bignus

[gritty kraken]

ark Rockwell prime

[untold forge]

only real ones remember og noxus

[wanton pendant]

What if Noxus really is big Signus? What then? What would this mean?

Or is Signus just little Noxus?

[leaden locust]

Soxus is the midpoint

and

I won’t name the other one for reasons

[somber wren]

What's wrong with Sixus?

[fleet wedge]

Man it's SBR all over again

[nimble mantle]

If slime god is the sauce and astrum deus is the pasta, then what or who the hell is the meatball?

[random mulch]

perforator hive

[split mortar]

Profaned guardians

[glass birch]

leviathan

[nimble mantle]

Nah leviathan deserves to be a sushi

[glass birch]

levi has an infinite supply of meatballs,,,

[nimble mantle]

Hmmmm

[balmy glacier]

hive mind

[scenic olive]

Noxus has a pet worm

[split mortar]

How loreous are we today

[glass birch]

im so very loreful today

i ate a whole bag of lores in the morning

[zealous parrot]

Wait what is their connection again?

[split mortar]

Noxus is the true boss of DoG

[balmy glacier]

a pawn where noxus is the king

[wanton pendant]

My question is is DoG actually loyal to Noxus or do they have a similar relationship that he has with Yharim, being that they work together but he's not truly loyal?

[balmy glacier]

this basically👆

[wanton pendant]

Like, if DoG could, would he betray Noxus?

[balmy glacier]

I dont think their dynamic is super complex

just a minion to foresee terraria

[split mortar]

Would fit dogs character but we dunno for sure

[balmy glacier]

and if that were to happen dog has no stance against noxus

[wanton pendant]

I guess the better question is is DoG faithful, or only doing it because Noxus is certainly stronger.

Like, I feel DoG is portrayed as inherently duplicitous and narcissistic.

It's hard to believe that he is fully loyal and willing to obey Noxus, it's just he can't really oppose him.

Like Ganondorf in Subspace Emissary.

[mighty zenith]

i think that depends on if DoG has an ulterior motive to betray Noxus

[wanton pendant]

The motive could literally just be narcissism.

[balmy glacier]

well i guess some questions should remain open for debate

[wanton pendant]

Well, in my opinion, I don't think DoG is truly loyal to anyone, but he can't really oppose his suzerains as they are both far more powerful then him.

And he likely benefits from the arrangement.

[main mesa]

I’m so out of touch with calamity lore I didn’t know there even was a connection between noxus and DoG lol

[wanton pendant]

Yharim feeds him gods, Noxus probably does something for him.

[split mortar]

Nah it makes sense, noxus isnt even named in the mod yet

[wanton pendant]

Noxus it basically DoG's true boss.

He only works for Yharim to further their plans.

[main mesa]

Where is that stated?

[wanton pendant]

Which likely also benefits Noxus.

[wanton pendant]

Very heavily implied.

Yharim, who shouldn't know Noxus exists comments that DoG is probably loyal to something else.

[main mesa]

But that could be anything right?

[wanton pendant]

And he knows DoG is hiding things and lying.

[wanton pendant]

Noxus is the only real option.

Unless they reveal Boxus, Noxus' long lost brother.

[main mesa]

Why?

[split mortar]

DoG has their loyalty to a different force to yharim and noxus is the only thing in the distortion stronger then dog

[wanton pendant]

They're from the same dimension, most other characters who are stronger are either loyal to Yharim or have their own goals, unrelated to DoG's.

And Xeroc, who is a god.

So likely wouldn't be too fond of the Devourer of Gods.

So probably not him.

[split mortar]

Xeroc would likely kill dog

[wanton pendant]

For obvious reasons.

[mighty zenith]

we know its noxus because its the only logical choice of character leftover from old lore

[main mesa]

Ah

[wanton pendant]

Thus, very heavily implied, but Noxus isn't implemented at this point, so he's never named.

Like, there aren't any other choices.

Unless they made up one, which would be a bizarre choice.

[gritty kraken]

what if he apologize

[wanton pendant]

Noxus hasn't been touched on in-game, he's never even named, only alluded to, that's why we can't just say that they said it, but again, no other option.

[split mortar]

Persmaps

[balmy glacier]

free nitro should be enough

[wanton pendant]

Everything we know of that is stronger then DoG is either A. Worked for Yharim. B. Is Yharim. C. Is in the bottom of the abyss. D. Is Noxus. E. Is Xeroc.
And Xeroc doesn't fit the description.

[balmy glacier]

are noxus and xeroc gonna receive their lore items like all bosses do?

[wanton pendant]

Good question.

[split mortar]

It being noxus is basically everything but confirmed

[wanton pendant]

Because by the time we fight them, Yharim should be dead.

[mighty zenith]

yharim will dead by then

[split mortar]

If they do it wont be yharims perspective

[mighty zenith]

and so will lore items

[wanton pendant]

Maybe they'd do it like WotG and have a different theme.

Maybe from Xeroc's perspective.

[split mortar]

Xeroc be the one yapping

[wanton pendant]

Get that guys comment.

Since we won't be killing them.

[balmy glacier]

solve xeroc’s quiz to find answer to rock’s lore entry

[wanton pendant]

'What is blue and is the sky? The answer is sky, say sky!'

[hoary cape]

The ground?

[balmy glacier]

prove riemann’s hypothesis in 25 seconds

[wanton pendant]

No!

Rayman?

[hoary cape]

Dang I thought that was the correct answer

[balmy glacier]

irl mathematician

[wanton pendant]

I'm making a joke.

I looked him up.

[hoary cape]

Rayman like the video game character is neat

[wanton pendant]

He loses the aura points that the guy who figured out quaternions has.

Come on, has nobody heard about that guy?

[balmy glacier]

him?

[wanton pendant]

No, he didn't discover quaternions.

[balmy glacier]

must be someone else idk who

[wanton pendant]

William Rowan Hamilton.

[balmy glacier]

hamilton? now that name rings a bell

[steady badge]

[robust osprey]

draedon perspective

[wanton pendant]

'What the hell was that thing Terrarian? Was that the sun? Did you just fist fight the sun?'

[thorn drift]

What happens if one were to consume multiple auric souls? Asking for a friend

[light linden]

from what I was told

you'd start losing control of your body

decent chance it depends on whether you'd perfectly ascend or not

[glass birch]

I'd still be hungry

[wanton pendant]

God^2.

[light linden]

also this isn't confirmed so take it with a grain of salt

I've heard that the frost dragon already had an auric soul and absorbed another

[wanton pendant]

Dragon cannibalism.

[light linden]

I can't remember if that's the add-on frost dragon or the canon one

@cosmic zenith can you help me out here?

I can't remember for the life of me

[split mortar]

It has been described as you would quickly become auric polterghast essentially
From like just 3 souls

So generally, BAD

[wanton pendant]

Question, would eating something infected by the Astral Infection be bad for you? I'm writing something...

[light linden]

likely would be bad

might not infect you but there's a high chance you're ingesting metal and stone

[wanton pendant]

I feel like eating something infested with the essence of a rotten star is probably going to have some health consequences.

[split mortar]

Would be quite bad maybe even lethal

[wanton pendant]

Now to come up with the side effects from consumption...

[cosmic zenith]

Addon

We wouldn't canonize an Auric Dragon absorbing another soul

A Dragon attacking another is already a major offense and a sign that things have gotten really fucked up

Absorbing another Dragon's soul would be evil incarnate

[light linden]

to yharim or in general?

[split mortar]

This is in general so the next part is also how aurics see it

[cosmic zenith]

In general

[light linden]

I'd imagine if that did happen and the dragon lived until the crusades uh

yharim would be

very very very very angry

[cosmic zenith]

He'd be disillusioned and furious

[light linden]

like get calamitas to necromancy it back to life to kill it again type angry

[cosmic zenith]

Dracolich

[light linden]

actually this reminds me of something stip

could primordial light be focused to burn something like sunlight can be irl?

[cosmic zenith]

Yes

[wanton pendant]

Why on earth is the Perforator hive so low on the bestiary?
How bad do you think it would be if you tried to eat the Perforator? On a scale of Hospital to Dead?

[long bloom]

it's alphabetical

[wanton pendant]

I'm sorting by number.

And T is quite late in the alphabet.

The next one is the Wulfrum guys.

[split mortar]

Dead

[wanton pendant]

Yeah that's what I was thinking, just wanted to see if there was any counter-arguments.

[icy veldt]

What if you cook it first?

[wanton pendant]

I mean, that's part of the question.

Since I'm asking can it be prepared and eaten.

But like, that thing's gotta have every parasite.

[light linden]

I mean

it won't be good for you even if you cook it

it's a bunch of essence with blood that is basically acid

[wanton pendant]

This is what I put it down as earlier: 'Inedible. While the quantity of meat on this engorged growth is immense, it’s rotten and infested with parasites. Side effects include lowered inhibitions, spontaneous combustion, explosive gas attacks and certain death.'

[light linden]

essence that is seemingly still sentient and actively tries to control things

[light linden]

random question

do we know any of permafrost's other students?

[wanton pendant]

Not to my knowledge.

[light linden]

hmm

cei might know

[wanton pendant]

Do we know if he ever had others?

[light linden]

@manic coral hey you got a minute?

[light linden]

I mean

he's a few centuries old and doesn't like to fight

so I'd imagine he's had a few

[split mortar]

No

Dont think so

[dreamy burrow]

just one question

does providence actually get stronger at night in lore

[wanton pendant]

No.

[light linden]

that is actually being changed soon

something about returning her guardian's cores to her to make her stronger

[pliant ruin]

I mean i'm sure perma had other students and stuff

but

[dreamy burrow]

so like night time provi is now giga buffed provi?

[pliant ruin]

none that are relevant to the lore so

[wanton pendant]

It's relevant to his history I guess.

[pliant ruin]

like hes a renowed scholar he definitely had other people he teached magic to

but also i dont think knowing the specifics of John Student is something the lore will really touch on

[pliant ruin]

yeah night time provi is being changed

You will spawn her by using the profaned core twice instead

or whatever her summon item is called

[dreamy burrow]

got it thanks

[split mortar]

The form is canon but method rn isnt

Basically

[light linden]

bot

[mortal imp]

anyone got a idea what wulfrum machines/wulfrum scrap actually is?

[wanton pendant]

Someone who opposed Yharim.

[random mulch]

wulfrum machines were hastily assembled robots made to harass yharim's troops

[wanton pendant]

Likely composed partially of Tungsten.

[mortal imp]

i was thinking that too

wolfram is another word for tungsten

[wanton pendant]

People sometimes have a hard time accepting the things named after tungsten are tungsten related.

Not even the worst, someone once tried to claim Cryogenic bars had nothing to do with ice.

[mortal imp]

also wulfrum machines do look a lot like tungsten

[mortal imp]

speaking of that

what is cryogenic bars

just really cold ice idk

[wanton pendant]

No.

They're a magical material.

[mortal imp]

oh

[wanton pendant]

Created by Permafrost.

(The guy.)

[limpid saddle]

hes got bars

(tehe)

[wanton pendant]

My question was how on earth do we smelt them.

[limpid saddle]

hit them really hard

[wanton pendant]

And someone was like 'there's no evidence they have anything to do with ice.'

[mortal imp]

what about err

[wanton pendant]

The stuff made by an ice wizard in an ice biome unlocked by beating the ice boss.

[mortal imp]

scoria and the plant ore

[split mortar]

Maybe its ice magic infused metal so you can just
Melt it

[wanton pendant]

Scoria's made from volcanic activity or something, which 'plant ore'?

[light linden]

they're a magical material akin to glass that is stronger than mythril and much lighter

[wanton pendant]

Uelibloom is fossilized bark empowered by Providence's death or something.

[mortal imp]

hardmode one

[split mortar]

I presume the plant ore thats in life alloy

[wanton pendant]

Doesn't narrow it down.

Perennial?

[light linden]

uelibloom is non canon

[mortal imp]

perennial Ore

[light linden]

perennial is tied to silva

[wanton pendant]

It's energized plant matter.

How am I meant to know Uelibloom isn't canon.

[random mulch]

perennial ore is getting ground into dust eventually anyways

[dusk laurel]

uelibloom was an old lore thing anyways

[wanton pendant]

They don't have a 'things we're going to axe' document to my knowledge.

[mortal imp]

prety sure auric is just super electric gold

[light linden]

I wasn't trying to get onto you

[wanton pendant]

Not quite.

[light linden]

I was just saying it's not canon

[split mortar]

Its dragon related

[wanton pendant]

It's like, super magic metal.

That doesn't like the human skeleton.

Or any skeleton.

Or anything that's alive.

That isn't a dragon.

[light linden]

we don't entirely know what is gonna replace uelibloom

[mortal imp]

it likely contains gold

having the name auric

[wanton pendant]

I doubt it.

It's just gold coloured.

Gold isn't really strong.

[light linden]

profaned ore has been tossed around a bit but idk how canon that is

[limpid saddle]

Isnt Scoria already there you just cant mine it

[dusk laurel]

we literally have divine geodes i think if anything that should be/evolve into the profaned ore

[hasty valley]

Astrum aureus

[limpid saddle]

I mean an ore as strong as Scoria it makes sense that would develop in the pressure & magma of the abyss

[wanton pendant]

Yeah, and it's like, volcanic or soemething.

[hasty valley]

mostly pointing it out as an example that names shouldn't be taken at face value

[light linden]

yes

[limpid saddle]

ok not magma but like heat

[wanton pendant]

Most names are very literal in Calamity, Astrum Deus is the most obvious exception.

(Not a god.)

(But still is star themed.)

[hasty valley]

god is subjective

its just calamity's versions are

[split mortar]

Not in calamity

[wanton pendant]

No.

[hasty valley]

those who consumed an auric soul

[light linden]

it's a god in the religious sense rather than calamity's definition

[mortal imp]

magifiied gold with dragon spirit

[hasty valley]

^^

[light linden]

it's worshipped as a god but didn't absorb an auric soul

[wanton pendant]

Astrum Aureus too, but again, it's infected by stars, got nothing to do with gold.

Yes, so by definition it's not a god.

That is the definition of god in the Calamity canon.

Someone who ate an auric soul.

[split mortar]

We are in calamity lore discussion so i feel calling something a god outside calamitys definition is a bit odd

[hasty valley]

There isn't a problem so long a clear distinction is made

[wanton pendant]

And Astrum Deus (Star God) isn't a god, but he eats stars.

[hasty valley]

its not like you broke a forbidden code

[limpid saddle]

& now i ponder once more, did the concept of a God originate with Xeroc & his rebirth as the God Of Primordial Light or did it exist beforehand

[wanton pendant]

What are you talking about.

[wanton pendant]

I'd assume they coined the term.

[split mortar]

Yeah all i said was it was a bit odd not lying or anything

[light linden]

the reason he's called aureus is because that's the name of its model line

[wanton pendant]

Or people used it as a descriptor for them.

[wanton pendant]

If so, that makes the name very literal again.

Aureus is its name, and the stars got 'em.

[hasty valley]

Considering he's the first, pretty much?

[wanton pendant]

But apart from that, most names are quite on the nose.

[limpid saddle]

Well no because it could've had another origin just the name was then used as a strict descriptor for those who consumed auric souls

[wanton pendant]

Guess what the Devourer of Gods does.

[limpid saddle]

The ritual did exist before anyone ascended after all

[hasty valley]

a good chunk are to sound cool as shit

like thanatos

[wanton pendant]

Maybe Xeroc made it up.

[hasty valley]

he isn't a literal god of death

[wanton pendant]

Named after a god of death.

Because it kills people.

That's quite on the nose.

[hasty valley]

?

[split mortar]

??

[limpid saddle]

So nobody can say for sure about the etymological origins of the term God in Calamity

[split mortar]

Didnt a dev confirm xeroc made it

[wanton pendant]

Ares is a war machine. Apollo and Artemis are hunters.

[hasty valley]

thats

[split mortar]

The ritual

[limpid saddle]

Fr???

[wanton pendant]

Like, you know, the greek gods.

[hasty valley]

not why its called Thanatos 😭

[wanton pendant]

What are you not getting.

[split mortar]

Yeah lemme look for it

[mortal imp]

golden heretic

[wanton pendant]

Thanatos was made to kill people. So it's named after the god of death.

[limpid saddle]

I thought we were still on the same page of not clear origins

[wanton pendant]

He's a heretic.

Is he ever even called that in the game?

[mortal imp]

ye

[hasty valley]

so are the other exo mechs

[wanton pendant]

And his armour is gold coloured.

[cloud ibex]

does draedon also use the suffixes for the exos

[wanton pendant]

Yeah I explained them too.

[hasty valley]

the other exo mechs are obvious enough to figure why they got their name

Thanatos is an odd one

[cloud ibex]

or does he just refer to them by their code and number

[light linden]

yes

[limpid saddle]

Well no Apollo & the other one were designed mainly for reconnaisance

[wanton pendant]

Ares is made for combat mastery.

[limpid saddle]

Thats why they're so fast

[hasty valley]

they literally have a built in system to shoot targets with plasma as hot as the surface of the sun

[wanton pendant]

Yeah, they're armed.

[hasty valley]

its not mutually exclusive

[limpid saddle]

They just also have weapons

[hasty valley]

.

[limpid saddle]

Why wouldnt they???

[wanton pendant]

But are still scout machines.

Draedon's an overachiever.

[hasty valley]

so they can still kill people?

[limpid saddle]

Things can be multi-purpose but still have one main function

[wanton pendant]

Thanatos is the super kill people.

Not much else to name it after.

[limpid saddle]

I mean its exhaust grills people instantaneously

[split mortar]

Much hotter the surface of the sun is crags lava not scal fire

[limpid saddle]

I'd say that works for the super kill people robot

[hasty valley]

Would've made more sense to have it called Kratos

[wanton pendant]

Kratos is from the God of War video game.

[hasty valley]

that was metaphorical

[limpid saddle]

What?

[wanton pendant]

Which I'm going to assume Draedon hasn't played.

Don't spoil it for him.

[split mortar]

What was

[hasty valley]

Cratos/Kratos.

He exists in greek

[split mortar]

Cause the lava being sun hot isnt

[wanton pendant]

And is he a God of War?

[hasty valley]

no??

[wanton pendant]

Because he has ares for that.

[hasty valley]

he's the god of power/strength

[limpid saddle]

Yeah but he isnt The God Of War™

[hasty valley]

aka destroyer

[wanton pendant]

Who cares about strength when you got the power of death.

And they already did destroyer.

Ages ago.

[hasty valley]

Being strong enough to overcome death

[wanton pendant]

That's Yharon.

[nimble mantle]

What if

[hasty valley]

yeah no fucking shit i meant continuing destroyer's theming

[limpid saddle]

true

[nimble mantle]

What if profaned graham balls?

[hasty valley]

💔

[limpid saddle]

Empy you're kinda pulling out your ass here to complain about shit that doesnt matter

[wanton pendant]

If you're making robots to kill people, you don't wanna invoke themes of surviving death.

All because you didn't get a definition right.

[hasty valley]

Destroyer contains the souls of might
Thanatos being named after the deity of strength continues the theming

thats why I brought it up lo

[wanton pendant]

Yeah. But nobody's heard of the original Kratos, nobody would get it.

Thanatos is a bit more well known.

[hasty valley]

To be fair

[wanton pendant]

And strength is a bit less intimidating then death.

[hasty valley]

people also would've commonly confused thanatos with thanos

[wanton pendant]

I know, I've seen a pizza place before.

[hasty valley]

huh

I don't get the reference?

[wanton pendant]

Anyway, Thanos is named after Thanatos (The psychological concept, not the god, but it's named after the god.)

[split mortar]

@light linden

[wanton pendant]

No I literally saw a pizza place with Thanos listed as a god.

[hasty valley]

LOL?

[dusk laurel]

yah

[wanton pendant]

Because Italian.

[limpid saddle]

uh wrong ping but thanks

[split mortar]

Oh rip

[limpid saddle]

interesting to know that he invented it

[wanton pendant]

So my theory, Xeroc made it up, was right.

[hasty valley]

Would it have made more sense if he didn't?

[split mortar]

There should be a dev quote document

[hasty valley]

consider that someone else did

[wanton pendant]

Eh?

[split mortar]

Why so?

[wanton pendant]

Who?

Xeroc was the first.

Others copied them.

[hasty valley]

wouldn't the dragons target the fella out of being threatened

[wanton pendant]

We don't know what happened back then.

[hasty valley]

before they got utterly destroyed by Fovos

[limpid saddle]

I mean it makes sense that the first guy to ever do it was the first guy to conceive it

[split mortar]

After he ascended uh
Xeroc would be too strong

[light linden]

[wanton pendant]

Xeroc became a god after that.

[hasty valley]

Before xeroc implies they did it with a dragon that isn't zeratros

[wanton pendant]

In fact, because of that.

[split mortar]

Xeroc only started ascension working after fovos invasion

[wanton pendant]

No?

[split mortar]

?????

[wanton pendant]

Xeroc did it with Zeratros.

[split mortar]

What

Huh

[wanton pendant]

Became a god.

[hasty valley]

huh

[limpid saddle]

dude what are you talking about

[hasty valley]

guys you're

[wanton pendant]

Got the unmatched power of the sun.

[hasty valley]

completely misunderstanding me

[split mortar]

Ascending with multiple auric souls fucks you up

[wanton pendant]

Then everyone copied them.

[limpid saddle]

are you just making shit up to be wrong

[hasty valley]

lets say Xeroc wasn't the first to become a god

[wanton pendant]

Not true, but ok.

For a hypothetical.

[hasty valley]

aka they did absorb zeratros but wasn't the first person to absorb a dragon's soul

[wanton pendant]

Go on.

[limpid saddle]

Anyway I wonder if he studied on & took inspiration on the origin of the Auric Souls, the World Soul Shards to create the ritual

[wanton pendant]

Maybe.

[hasty valley]

a person who did it before him would have done it with a dragon that is likely substantially weaker than zeratros, and such a person who invented the ritual would probably be deemed a threat to the dragons

[wanton pendant]

And also, a murderer.

Yeah they'd probably die quickly.

[hasty valley]

Dragons would've likely took them out and prevent the spreading of the ritual

[split mortar]

Ok but what does it add to the story to remove xerocs title as the first god and person who started the dragon killing

[wanton pendant]

So Xeroc had the perfect opportunity.

Xeroc's stronger then every dragon.

[hasty valley]

Xeroc's special because he already did it with the strongesto ne

[wanton pendant]

And the dragons just almost lost a war.

[split mortar]

Ok but like
Why not have xeroc be the first?

[wanton pendant]

So like, not like anyone COULD stop Xeroc.

It's a hypothetical.

[hasty valley]

that was the point I was making

there couldn't have been one before Xeroc

at leas

not a known one

[wanton pendant]

Yeah I get it.

[split mortar]

I dont im confused

[wanton pendant]

Because it's unlikely someone who became a god otherwise would be able to survive the fallout.

[wanton pendant]

They're saying Xeroc must be first, otherwise the dragons would just kill whoever became the first god.

If there was one before Xeroc.

There isn't.

It's a hypothetical.

[split mortar]

Ah ok

[wanton pendant]

So let's say Providence somehow became first goddess.

The dragons would kill her.

No more Providence.

[hasty valley]

yep

[wanton pendant]

And likely same for any god that wasn't explicitly consensual.

And even then...

Someone threw Silva into the abyss back in the day...

[hasty valley]

for Xeroc's case, he was FAR stronger than all the other dragons, so news of ascension quickly spread since he endured it long enough

[wanton pendant]

Xeroc's also the strongest thing in the canon.

[hasty valley]

and becuase the dragons were already

[wanton pendant]

So they couldn't stop 'em even if they wanted.

[hasty valley]

affected by Fovos

[wanton pendant]

They could barely beat Fovos.

Xeroc's stronger then Fovos.

[limpid saddle]

He wasnt being hunted by the dragons to any capacity though he just, left

[split mortar]

It was considered super dire if auric dragons fought so perma killing one no matter what is probably how you get all your organs hanged separately

[limpid saddle]

probably is literally in the sun

[wanton pendant]

Also, it's possible Xeroc was granted their soul consensually, but nobody knows, other then Xeroc.

[limpid saddle]

True

[wanton pendant]

And arguably, either way it was necessary.

[hasty valley]

yeah that as well, A hypothetical that if the first god was with any other dragon, they would've likely been killed before ascension news started to spread

[wanton pendant]

Since otherwise no sun.

[split mortar]

Or the sun goes without control and burns the planet

[hasty valley]

and also its possible that Yharon woke up to finding out his species is almost extinct and immediately based it off a presumption

[wanton pendant]

Good point.

I mean, Yharon did get killed during the hunts.

He just respawns.

In an egg.

[split mortar]

Yharon respawns in a decade so he did see the downfall happen

[hasty valley]

was he not wiped out during Fovos's invasion and respawned after the hunt started?

[wanton pendant]

Fovos is implied to be able to permanently kill dragons.

So if Yharon died to him...

I'm not sure it'd be a good look.

[hasty valley]

for a while i thought it was because

since he took Yharon out first

the other dragons auric souls were lost

since Yharon's rebirth wouldn't have reached them in time

[wanton pendant]

I assume the resurrection thing isn't time sensitive.

[hasty valley]

probably, probably not

[wanton pendant]

Otherwise Yharon's respawn timer would be a bit of an issue.

[hasty valley]

who knows how souls behave with time

[split mortar]

We dunno if there is a time limit

[wanton pendant]

And I'd assume because of Lunar Bite Yharon didn't die to Fovos.

[hasty valley]

the point I was making is simply a possibility, not a given

[wanton pendant]

He's like the second strongest dragon, so I'd say he'd fair alright.

Every time I bring up a possibility they crucify me.

[split mortar]

Fovos has a lot of soul related stuff iirc and yeah can fuck with healing while in a weakened state maybe full power outright starts shredding your soul a bit who knows

[limpid saddle]

Its my belief that he saw Xeroc rise in his divine form from the peak that they kept Zeratros at, heard his declaration & assumed the worst

[hasty valley]

it'd be like terrarian against Xeroc

[split mortar]

You are likely inderestimating how strong prime fovos is

[limpid saddle]

Especially after the humand turned on the dragons

[hasty valley]

(aka he could virtually do nothing against it)

[wanton pendant]

I think Xeroc's a bit stronger.

[hasty valley]

relatively speaking

[wanton pendant]

Xeroc's quite possibly unkillable.

Or at least practically unkillable.

[limpid saddle]

yeah

[wanton pendant]

But you can totally kill Fovos.

Like, power of the sun.

[hasty valley]

I mean he's like

[wanton pendant]

How do you KILL the sun.

[hasty valley]

entirely light is he not?

[long bloom]

devs have stated xeroc can tank a nuke

[long bloom]

no

[hasty valley]

but then again we were fighting fucking illusions in boss rush

[wanton pendant]

That's Xeroc's power.

[limpid saddle]

Hes a dude he just controls light

[wanton pendant]

Hard Light constructs among them.

[limpid saddle]

thats not how domains work

[split mortar]

Boss rush is him creating constructs based on bosses

[wanton pendant]

They're basically green lantern.

You're thinking of elementals.

[hasty valley]

someone bring up the statistics for Scal evaporating the ocean

[limpid saddle]

(Other than Silva but thats just because shes an elemental)

[wanton pendant]

They're made of their stuff.

[split mortar]

We dunno if he is primordial light or not but iirc he is among the less changed guys

[wanton pendant]

It was a sea somewhere between half to a full Italy.

[hasty valley]

yeah I am saying that these constructs are made of primordial light

which we do hit

[limpid saddle]

Like the God Of Blood (ravager) isnt eintierly composed of blood

[hasty valley]

they calculated the energy output iirc and its MULTIPLE nukes worth of energy

[split mortar]

Might change since more recent statement said sunken sea is like italy sized

[long bloom]

jesus

[wanton pendant]

The gap between Yharon and prime Foxos was probably closer to like, I don't know, pre-hardmode Terrarian vs. Moonlord. But Yharon has backup.

[hasty valley]

Italy's fairly large no?

[wanton pendant]

Yeah, Calamitas can carpet nuke.

But it took a while.

[split mortar]

Half to a full tsar bomba of energy per second on average

[long bloom]

4 days

[wanton pendant]

And it was with fire, not a nuclear blast.

What do you mean 4 days we have a number now?

[long bloom]

this is old news

[hasty valley]

FOUR DAYS?

LOL

[split mortar]

Cei gave 3-5 days timeframe and middle is 4

[wanton pendant]

Basically, incinerating a country is very impressive, but point blank nuke would destroy anything (sans Xerox.)

[split mortar]

4 days to effectively wipe out italy

[limpid saddle]

Yeah we've had a number for ages

[hasty valley]

reminder she is human

[split mortar]

Scal is human

[wanton pendant]

She is.

[limpid saddle]

yeah she is

[hasty valley]

typo

[hasty valley]

that means she had to take a break

[split mortar]

THEY BEOUGHT IT UP FIRST

NOT ME

[limpid saddle]

last i recall she didnt

[wanton pendant]

But she's likely not able to focus all the power into a single point, or they could just one shot Terrarian, and Yharim, and anyone really.

[hasty valley]

so the energy output she can do in a given amount of time is possibly bigger than we thought

[wheat walrus]

you brought up italy melon,,,

[hasty valley]

4 days straight blasting a beam???

[wanton pendant]

Calamitas is a human, she's just from hell so she looks like that.

[split mortar]

She went on till she went unconscious to exhaustion iirc

[wheat walrus]

and no im pretty sure that w the calcs I did that it wasn't quite the size of italy

[wanton pendant]

No wonder Permafrost was so mad.

[split mortar]

Oh fair point
Thought you were annoyed at me again for referencing that calc

[limpid saddle]

yeah she was sourrounded by water too so that probably wasnt a concern

[wanton pendant]

Thanks for the contribution Mr. Beast.

[split mortar]

Oh great so the nukes are bigger now

[wanton pendant]

Question, is the Sunken Sea salt or fresh water?

[split mortar]

Brackish

[wheat walrus]

i lwk am since it's been ages but idc too much

anyways

[wanton pendant]

So it's just a little salty.

[wheat walrus]

it has more surface area than italy

[wanton pendant]

Not sure if she should be drinking that.

[wheat walrus]

with what i was going

what i was going with almost a year ago that is

[wanton pendant]

Bascically, Seacily is screwed.

[limpid saddle]

Either that or she had some on her when she started up the ol brimstone grill

[wheat walrus]

in 4 days the msg i shared in the server where i do this stuff will be a year old

[wanton pendant]

Calamitas is strong.

Providence is evil.

Yharim abuses kids.

Any questions?

[limpid saddle]

these are the roots of our world

[split mortar]

Draedon fuses bees with nukes

[wheat walrus]

not if i have a say in this

which i will

[wanton pendant]

That's awesome.

Yharim's just a coward.

And I stand by that Draedon could make actual nukes.

[wheat walrus]

calamitas shan't act in the slightest

[wanton pendant]

Someone went down the Diplomacy Tree.

[split mortar]

Didnt he like actually do that?

[wheat walrus]

draedon can most defo makes actual nukes

hell remove the most

it's defo

[split mortar]

Yeah easily

[limpid saddle]

me when i "PLAGUE NUKE BARRAGE ARMED, PREPARING FOR LAUNCH!!!"

[wanton pendant]

Someone was saying he couldn't.

[hoary cape]

Yharim should fuse draedon with a bee and see how he feels smh

Poor bees

[wanton pendant]

Because if he did wouldn't he just nuke Terrarian?

And I said that was ridiculous.

[split mortar]

Thats just exo plague

[wanton pendant]

Because then he'd lose his favourite test subject.

It doesn't take a genius to tell that a nuke would kill us.

[wheat walrus]

he knows nuclear energy and the exo-prisms are specifically a step-up from nuclear energy that doesn't leave radioactive fallout that would salt experiment areas

[hoary cape]

Why would draedon want to nuke the planet he likes studying stuff can't do that if the planet has gone boom

[wheat walrus]

as well as seemingly being a source of limitless energy

[wanton pendant]

Also part of the point I made.

It's needless damage.

[wheat walrus]

which is the other and more important step-up from nuclear energy

[wanton pendant]

He has the Sulphurous sea for examining the effects of nuclear fallout.

Why cause more damage?

Still a more reasonable argument then Cryogenic bars are ice related.