After all, grimdark exists
#lore-discussion
cosmic zenith
icy veldt
"Killing is a purpose of its own" - my Terrarian when he goes off the deep end
cosmic zenith
There are plenty of ways to draw engagement from a story
nimble mantle
I remember they're genocides
icy veldt
Given the relative lack of historical knowledge (compared with IRL), genocidal warlords are the only reference point my Terrarian has
humble basin
Anywho, putting together a ttrpg setting guide for calamity now...
nimble mantle
Huh
wanton pendant
I once thought about how a Calamity grand strategy would look like. I got very confused.
How on earth do you put Azafure on a map.
cosmic zenith
To be fair, there's also not that much history to look into
And Yharim's infamy overshadows pretty much anyone so
icy veldt
I once thought about how a Calamity grand strategy would look like. I got very c...
Make it set during Yharim's rise
humble basin
How on earth do you put Azafure on a map.
Multi-layered map
wanton pendant
Also, Calamitas would like, show up for a tiny amount of time right at the end.
nimble mantle
To be specific
wanton pendant
To be specific
No.
One of the few canon things to the Terrarian is no respawning due to it killing the stakes.
This ain't Undertale, kid.
Lives cost extra.
icy veldt
Given the focus on named characters, Calamity would be a better fit for a strategy-RPG or tactics game, like the Dawn of War series
wanton pendant
I was referencing the Arms Dealer.
humble basin
We the player just get to see realities where a slime killed the soon-to-be god slayer
nimble mantle
We the player just get to see realities where a slime killed the soon-to-be god ...
Which slime?
wanton pendant
Every death is canonically an alternate timeline.
nimble mantle
The blue one?
long bloom
green
humble basin
The blue one?
Probably all of them at one point or another
wanton pendant
Where Yharim dies of a stroke at 137 and a half.
wanton pendant
Wario is canonically immortal (chooses to not die) so that makes no sense.
nimble mantle
"Yharim dies after eating a chicken nugget without drinking water"
cosmic zenith
SSO's main story thread is mostly about judgment, grief, bonds and hope
I'm quite interested to see what the reception will be like, not only due to a deific perspective on the story (which directly counters Yharim's perspective) but also that exploration of more idealistic concepts in a formerly quite grim setting
humble basin
SSO?
humble basin
Ohhhhh
wanton pendant
The next update.
humble basin
Very excited
wanton pendant
(At least, part 1.)
icy veldt
Given the focus on named characters, Calamity would be a better fit for a strate...
Seeing Permafrost and Calamitas acting personality-wise like Tarkus and some unholy mix of Avitus (bloodthirsty) and Thaddeus (young and naĆÆve), while Draedon would talk in as dry a manner as Martellus
humble basin
The sunken sea has always been a favorite area, even with not a whole lot going on
It honestly feels peaceful compared to so much else in the world
nimble mantle
Please I need more lore. I'm going insane here.
Your'e insaning?
wanton pendant
I don't know much warhammer, give it to me in, uh, Pikmin terms?
humble basin
I hate microsoft authenticator
wanton pendant
True that.
icy veldt
I don't know much warhammer, give it to me in, uh, Pikmin terms?
I don't know much Pikmin, so I can't help you
wanton pendant
Fix that, then we can talk.
icy veldt
Nah
wanton pendant
You dare?
icy veldt
You fix your own ass
wanton pendant
:(
wanton pendant
Nah.
humble basin
He's a little bit cooked himself
nimble mantle
Then who's cooking his food?
humble basin
Extwa Cwispy
icy veldt
Put Yharim in a microwave and boil him in his own armor
wanton pendant
He'd have mentioned it at some point, he probably had his own chefs, and taste testers so he didn't get poisoned.
Now he, uh, eats moss?
Draconic moss.
Yeah, let's go with that.
humble basin
Honestly, what're the chances Yharim is just dead in the dragon aery?
wanton pendant
See, now we're speaking my language. (Pikmin.)
wanton pendant
Honestly, what're the chances Yharim is just dead in the dragon aery?
0, he talks to us.
icy veldt
My Terrarian hosting a grand feast after defeating Yharim (he's the main course)
wanton pendant
Unless he died before we can walk over to him.
And also he is the planned final boss.
humble basin
Do you mean the lore items?
humble basin
That's fair, I guess they are written as if he's speaking to you
icy veldt
My Terrarian hosting a grand feast after defeating Yharim (he's the main course)
Calamitas: "This tastes so good, it's kinda weird. What is it?"
Terrarian: "Yharim"
Calamitas: "...You're joking. Right?"
Terrarian: "Nope! We're eating Yharim."
Calamitas: š¤¢
wanton pendant
They are explicitly speaking to you.
humble basin
RIGHT, yeah that's true because he responds to things that have happened
Such as 'oh it's a shame x is dead now'
wanton pendant
Calamitas is a human, and Yharim probably is too, so that would poison her.
And she's weak to poison.
wanton pendant
RIGHT, yeah that's true because he responds to things that have happened
Also is suprised that Permafrost is alive.
humble basin
Also is suprised that Permafrost is alive.
RIGHT, you're so right
Okay so how the fuck
wanton pendant
The last lore item literally has him tell you to fight him.
icy veldt
Calamitas is a human, and Yharim probably is too, so that would poison her.
And ...
Not necessarily. Prion diseases are only a concern if you eat brain matter with prions in it
wanton pendant
Others he mentions being Yharim.
humble basin
He's gotta have some major modification going on to be alive still
wanton pendant
Not necessarily. Prion diseases are only a concern if you eat brain matter with ...
It's a bit more then that.
humble basin
Some serious magic shennanigans
wanton pendant
He's gotta have some major modification going on to be alive still
Built different.
icy veldt
It's a bit more then that.
Elaborate
humble basin
If not just the armor draedon made him
nimble mantle
Either that, or he's Springtrap.
Aurictrap
wanton pendant
And Draedon only upgraded his armour last year.
humble basin
So he's seriously built different
nimble mantle
Does he even sleep?
wanton pendant
Elaborate
I'm not going to google 'what happens if you eat a human corpse' but going off memory psychological issues, as it's traumatic, human flesh is poisonous and disease ridden to fellow humans, and very little is even edible to humans.
wanton pendant
Does he even sleep?
He never mentions, I mean, do we sleep once we get the time changer?
humble basin
So I know Yharim is supposed to be the final boss, but what of Xeroc?
icy veldt
I'm not going to google 'what happens if you eat a human corpse' but going off m...
Dang. Next best is eating Yharon, I guess
humble basin
That sounds sick as hell
wanton pendant
Dang. Next best is eating Yharon, I guess
That'd be fine, not human.
humble basin
Chicken nuggets
light linden
Not part of the main plot.
not part of the main plot?
wanton pendant
not part of the main plot?
The fight isn't part of the main storyline.
Which is, killing Yharim.
Once that, the plots over.
light linden
he's kinda the cause of the last 800 years in the mod's lore?
wanton pendant
And even then, Xeroc is only a sparring match.
wanton pendant
he's kinda the cause of the last 800 years in the mod's lore?
Do you consider the Battle areas to be part of the plot when you play PokƩmon?
humble basin
OH
wanton pendant
Like Battle Tree?
humble basin
Not the mention we have to resolve whatever is happening with the distortion stuff
cosmic zenith
Noxus and Xeroc are an epilogue to the main story
humble basin
Because obviously something manevolent is going on there
cosmic zenith
The main story being the aftermath of Yharim's Crusade
wanton pendant
They're the victory lap.
cosmic zenith
They're the "oh fuck I might be in over my head this time"
humble basin
Okay what is Noxus cause I thought that was a wrath of the gods thing
wanton pendant
But also not really integral to the story line (I mean, they might not even add them.)
wanton pendant
Okay what is Noxus cause I thought that was a wrath of the gods thing
The guy behind the Distortion.
humble basin
OH
wanton pendant
Is the one actually commanding DoG.
humble basin
Well there's my request handled
nimble mantle
What's the official appearance of Noxus and Xeroc?
wanton pendant
(I don't know if DoG is loyal to him either...)
humble basin
I don't think there is one
cosmic zenith
Yeah
Wrath of the Gods used the name for a while
wanton pendant
Only pre-god Xeroc has a design.
humble basin
He does??
nimble mantle
Only pre-god Xeroc has a design.
Wait what
wanton pendant
Before they became Xeroc.
cosmic zenith
Since Avatar was based off of old lore Noxus
cosmic zenith
Only pre-god Xeroc has a design.
Publicly, yeah
nimble mantle
I didn't know that
wanton pendant
I believe it's this?
Unless there's a newer one.
If this is actually fanart, please tell me.
Or outdated.
dusk laurel
this is the new one yeah
i still miss his hair in the old one š¢
forced to go bald
wanton pendant
They were a monk once, then became a god.
humble basin
Man, calling him a monk is an interesting description
wanton pendant
They really love their own branding, huh.
humble basin
Hey it's a pretty slick design
wanton pendant
Regardless, both Noxus and Xeroc are easy to justify not having a boss fight.
Since, Xeroc we aren't going to be able to kill fundamentally.
And Noxus, assuming they're bad news, can easily be justified that whatever they were planning was stalled if not halted by killing DoG.
Thus, if they don't get added, the world is fine.
No major issues about them being left alive.
humble basin
It'd be really sick if they were though
wanton pendant
If you're good and patient, maybe.
But Yharim is promised to release, eventually.
wanton pendant
Since it'd be kinda important to have the final boss actually exist.
humble basin
King Slime wasn't the final boss? What else could be beyond such a being?!
Anywho, thank you for indulging and engaging
I return to writing
wanton pendant
What are you writing?
humble basin
A ttrpg setting guide xD
wanton pendant
Table Top Role Playing Game? Like Dungeons & Dragons?
wanton pendant
System agnostic?
humble basin
Basically means most of it doesn't have mechanical rules, but rather just information about the setting and what it's like. So most of it can be used in any game like Dungeons and Dragons, Pathfinder, GURPS, etc.
wanton pendant
I see, so you're writing a scenario.
humble basin
Mmmm- Kind of.
It's like if someone wrote up a big lore document for something like Calamity's setting and history and then gave it out to see what adventures people could make up within that setting.
wanton pendant
So, you're worldbuilding?
humble basin
Yes!
wanton pendant
Although, I guess specifically with the intention for it to be part of an RPG campaign.
humble basin
Exactly exactly
I have written pre-made adventures before, which are basically guides for a DM to walk through a specific story including far more fine detail such as individual NPCS, monster stat blocks, dungeon layouts, etc.
But settings and world guides are my favorite to make since they're open-ended enough to see what someone else makes out of them.
wanton pendant
Do you ever release your work?
humble basin
Indeed, though I'm not about to advertise on a community discord- Not to mention this is my personal discord account which I don't like linked with my actual published works
wanton pendant
I suppose it is important to maintain a work life balance.
humble basin
Definitely! I have a day job in IT as well so keeping work, hobby work, and other life all seperated from eachother is a fun balancing act
humble basin
God, in this economy indeed
Anywho, I must write while I still have time in the night, and this is probably enough off-topic for #lore-discussion
Adios!
wanton pendant
Bye bye.
distant smelt
Lore discussion getting off topic? I could never even conceive such an ideaā¦
wanton pendant
Yeah, ridiculous.
nimble mantle
I wonder what slime god tastes like
long bloom
bad
robust osprey
I wonder what slime god tastes like
slime
warm gull
bad
slime is tasty why do you think it tastes bad
literal god of things that are described directly as being tasty
zenith geode
but its made of the evil slime
sinful adder
Slime probably varies in taste based on what kind of slime it is
Corrupt and crimson slimes taste rotten and bloody, hallow slimes taste like candy
zenith geode
blighted gel is made of rotting flesh iirc
scenic olive
blighted gel is made of rotting flesh iirc
Its tastes like glitter and sunshine
Source : me
join the flesh and unite with us 
cloud ibex
no i'm preoccupied with the wretched fungus sorry
scenic olive
my bad im sorry 
tell your friends and family to try embracing the flesh so that we may unite again as a whole
cloud ibex
who
dense lynx
Bruh
cloud ibex
I have no idea who Scorpio is iunno why youāre bruhing me
sinful adder
Yeah I have no idea either
dense lynx
Its star sign
split mortar
Draedon can make stuff to fuck with the stars so idk if those have much importance
wanton pendant
You're assuming the constellations even exist in Terraria in the same way they exist for us. Obviously he's a Vertigo.
leaden locust
Corrupt and crimson slimes taste rotten and bloody, hallow slimes taste like can...
What ab irradiated slimes
and the ore slimes
split mortar
What ab irradiated slimes
Cancer
split mortar
and the ore slimes
You break your teeth
leaden locust
i wonder if bloom slimes taste like providence
wanton pendant
Tastes like the opposite of pancakes.
errant lintel
Is the voice at the end of the boss rush Yharim's or Draedon's?
random mulch
it's xeroc
split mortar
Is the voice at the end of the boss rush Yharim's or Draedon's?
Xeroc
wanton pendant
In fact, all of the dialogue in the boss rush is from Xeroc, if I'm not mistaken.
errant lintel
And when have we heard Yharim speak to know?
wanton pendant
Every single lore item.
split mortar
And when have we heard Yharim speak to know?
The lore items dropped by bosses
wanton pendant
All of them are from Yharim's perspective.
errant lintel
I know but we don't know what he sounds like
hushed jasper
I know but we don't know what he sounds like
We donāt really know who anyone sounds like
wanton pendant
He has a very particular way of speaking, even.
wanton pendant
We donāt really know who anyone sounds like
Draedon sounds like Duke Nukem.
errant lintel
Who is Xeroc then
hushed jasper
Draedon sounds like Duke Nukem.
Awesome
hushed jasper
Who is Xeroc then
Chill guy
errant lintel
We also know how Draedon's laugh sounds like
wanton pendant
Very, very, long story short, original god, has power over 'primordial light', which is probably just the power of the sun.
hushed jasper
We also know how Draedon's laugh sounds like
True
wanton pendant
The strongest known entity in the lore.
hushed jasper
Very, very, long story short, original god, has power over 'primordial light', w...
Primordial light is what makes the stronger bosses in boss rush so itās something more
errant lintel
Very, very, long story short, original god, has power over 'primordial light', w...
So what the Nameless Deity is based on?
hushed jasper
So what the Nameless Deity is based on?
And old concept of Xeroc I think
split mortar
Who is Xeroc then
The first god (and of the sun)
Likely guardian of the planet
Generally chill guy
errant lintel
Primordial light is what makes the stronger bosses in boss rush so itās somethin...
Didn't it also have something to do with the empress
wanton pendant
So what the Nameless Deity is based on?
Eh, kinda, Nameless was orignally based on old Xeroc, but now it's just god.
wanton pendant
Didn't it also have something to do with the empress
Both have primordial light powers.
split mortar
Both have primordial light powers.
Empress only has it during the day
hushed jasper
The first god (and of the sun)
Likely guardian of the planet
Generally chill gu...
(We donāt talk about him taking the first auric soul tho)
errant lintel
Except EoL is just a leech
icy veldt
Except EoL is just a leech
Maybe she's Xeroc's sister or friend or something
split mortar
(We donāt talk about him taking the first auric soul tho)
That itself is seemingly just flat out the best act to do since zeratros was going to perma die anyway
split mortar
Maybe she's Xeroc's sister or friend or something
Nah basically no one knows xeroc exists
wanton pendant
We don't know much about them or their motives, just that they're really old and really strong.
hushed jasper
That itself is seemingly just flat out the best act to do since zeratros was goi...
I guess. But then everyone else started to take the auric souls and just causes a huge mess XD
split mortar
I guess. But then everyone else started to take the auric souls and just causes ...
Treu
wanton pendant
Most of what we know is from Yharim's biased perspective and Xeroc's Boss Rush dialogue.
And that they love rock.
errant lintel
Do Yharim and Xeroc have a connection whatsoever
And the Calamitas witch lore item hints we'll be facing him, when will that be?
hushed jasper
Do Yharim and Xeroc have a connection whatsoever
And the Calamitas witch lore it...
Yharim wanna kill Xeroc I think
split mortar
Yharim wanna kill Xeroc I think
Xeroc is a god so yes
wanton pendant
Do Yharim and Xeroc have a connection whatsoever
And the Calamitas witch lore it...
You mean the lore from both Draedon and Calamitas, we fight Yharim next when they add him in a few years.
hushed jasper
Cuz he wanna kill all gods
errant lintel
Yharim wanna kill Xeroc I think
Was he the original oppressor
hushed jasper
Yharim is based tbh
wanton pendant
Although Xeroc knows about Yharim.
"Whose power may match the only mortal who has ever made me doubt my own..." (Only appears if both Exo Mechs and Supreme Witch, Calamitas have been defeated)
Either way, Yharim has no chance of killing Xeroc, so his crusade is impossible.
And it would probably be a bad idea anyway.
split mortar
Either way, Yharim has no chance of killing Xeroc, so his crusade is impossible.
And cant kill silva
wanton pendant
True...
wanton pendant
Killing the sun....
hushed jasper
Either way, Yharim has no chance of killing Xeroc, so his crusade is impossible.
Thatās why depressed (according to Yharon phase 2 theme)
wanton pendant
More then just that.
hushed jasper
Genocide is not the answer
Darn
errant lintel
Didn't Yharim's crusade begin to save the dragons from extinction or something
wanton pendant
He kinda alienated all his allies, not to mention using child soldiers and burning civilians.
wanton pendant
Didn't Yharim's crusade begin to save the dragons from extinction or something
No, it was to avenge them.
They were already dead, sans Yharon.
split mortar
Didn't Yharim's crusade begin to save the dragons from extinction or something
The only auric dragon that was alive by the time yharim started it was yharon
Yharim is avenging people who died centuries ago
wanton pendant
Don't worry, we don't permanently kill Yharon. He'll be back.
errant lintel
Thatās why depressed (according to Yharon phase 2 theme)
Didn't the theme refer to the player rather than Xeroc
errant lintel
They were already dead, sans Yharon.
What about the dragon folly
wanton pendant
Didn't the theme refer to the player rather than Xeroc
'While your blinded by your depression.' Is reffering to Yharim.
wanton pendant
What about the dragon folly
Different, but related creature.
hushed jasper
What about the dragon folly
Not an auric dragon
icy veldt
Don't worry, we don't permanently kill Yharon. He'll be back.
Gives me an opportunity to ascend, once I learn the ascension ritual š
wanton pendant
Gives me an opportunity to ascend, once I learn the ascension ritual š
Are you really so ready to renounce your humanity?
hushed jasper
Gives me an opportunity to ascend, once I learn the ascension ritual š
Nobody alive knows it XD
errant lintel
Not an auric dragon
Well what if Yharon diddles the dragonfolly and repopulates
magic epoch
dude
magic epoch
split mortar
Well what if Yharon diddles the dragonfolly and repopulates
Auric souls dont pass onto offspring or else folly would already be auric
wanton pendant
Dragons need auric souls. There are none left, thus, no auric dragons.
icy veldt
Are you really so ready to renounce your humanity?
It would give me the power to build a better world
*Ends up building a worse world*
wanton pendant
It goes to Dragon's Aerie, or gets eaten.
split mortar
Well where's the auric souls go after their owners passed
Gods consumed them
magic epoch
Aerie unless they are harvested iirc
wanton pendant
If it goes to Dragon's Aerie, Yharon ressurects them.
If it gets eaten, they die.
errant lintel
Gods consumed them
Didn't they drop them out after their death
wanton pendant
Yharon, however, has their soul coalesce into an egg, somehow, and is reborn.
split mortar
No once consumed a auric soul is permanently gone
wanton pendant
Gods don't have auric souls, they have godly souls.
I don't know if they have a canonical name.
split mortar
Yeah a more unstable mix of the two that breaks on death hence god essence
icy veldt
IIRC a divine soul is a combination of an Auric soul and a mortal's soul, using the ascension ritual
icy veldt
Yeah a more unstable mix of the two that breaks on death hence god essence
Yeah pretty much
split mortar
Ye
wanton pendant
Which is so powerful it still tries to pull itself together.
Not successfully, though...
errant lintel
So you're telling me auric souls are this thing that exists in limited quantity and has no way of forming anew
wanton pendant
So you're telling me auric souls are this thing that exists in limited quantity ...
Yeah, they're remnants of 'The World Soul' or something.
And they ran out a long time ago.
split mortar
So you're telling me auric souls are this thing that exists in limited quantity ...
Yep
errant lintel
Yeah a more unstable mix of the two that breaks on death hence god essence
Aka the corruption and crimson?
split mortar
Aka the corruption and crimson?
And hallowed
errant lintel
And hallowed
Why not try to extract the essence from those lands and separate the god souls from the auric souls
wanton pendant
Since Yharon's soul is special and can respawn independently of another Dragon's power.
split mortar
Why not try to extract the essence from those lands and separate the god souls f...
Because thats not really
Possible
wanton pendant
Why not try to extract the essence from those lands and separate the god souls f...
Can't, auric soul's gone.
robust osprey
the auric soul is completly gone
errant lintel
But we said it's a mix of the two?
split mortar
Try seperating the neutrons out of a gold bar
wanton pendant
If you eat food, can you turn it back into food by filtering your stomach contents?
The answer is no.
errant lintel
Try seperating the neutrons out of a gold bar
Unironically possible
split mortar
Try seperating the neutrons out of a gold bar
You dont succeed without powers that are impossible in the world of calamity
icy veldt
If you eat food, can you turn it back into food by filtering your stomach conten...
You kinda do turn it back into food, by incorporating the nutrients into your body
wanton pendant
Not into the same burger you ate you don't.
errant lintel
You kinda do turn it back into food, by incorporating the nutrients into your bo...
That's why I thought the gods should have had the auric souls in the form of their own flesh
wanton pendant
Yeah, and if you wanted that same beef burger back, too bad.
God Burger and Dragon Burger are different things.
icy veldt
*Dragon Nuggets
errant lintel
God burger container a mixed patty of dragon and god
wanton pendant
So if you wanted a Dragon Burger, but the gods ate all the Dragons, God Burger ain't quite the same.
errant lintel
Contains*
icy veldt
Or a Dragon Sandwich, like a chicken sandwich, but it wouldn't really be a burger
wanton pendant
Burgers are sandwiches.
icy veldt
Not all sandwiches are burgers
errant lintel
Fuckass conversation š
wanton pendant
That's debatable.
wanton pendant
Either way, gods don't have auric souls, they digested them.
errant lintel
Burgers are round sandwiches with tougher buns
wanton pendant
So if you cook up a god, you won't get dragon burger.
You get god burger, and god burger is purple/red/rainbow and hates you.
icy veldt
DoG didn't need to cook gods before devouring them
wanton pendant
Dragon burger tastes like chicken.
errant lintel
Okay
wanton pendant
DoG didn't need to cook gods before devouring them
That's because he's a serpent from a different dimension, they don't have cookbooks there.
If you feed a cow grass, then eat the cow, are you eating grass?
The answer is no.
icy veldt
Would that warped snake even be able to read a cookbook?
errant lintel
How did Yharon and DoG never encounter each other
wanton pendant
How did Yharon and DoG never encounter each other
They likely did, they both worked with Yharim on the crusade.
robust osprey
Would that warped snake even be able to read a cookbook?
if the book is big enough, probably
wanton pendant
As allies, so even though Yharon could totally eat that worm, they likely wouldn't have fought.
split mortar
They almost certainly did it just wouldnt have led to much happening
icy veldt
DoG just didn't devour Yharon because doing so would piss off Yharim and risk cutting off his supply of god-stuff
errant lintel
They likely did, they both worked with Yharim on the crusade.
Yharim has affiliations with DoG?
errant lintel
I need to re-read these lore items man
wanton pendant
Also, DoG was a waste disposal system for the crusade.
The next best option was more Wall of Flesh.
Don't know what the problem with that was...
split mortar
Don't know what the problem with that was...
Kill wof and boom it free
errant lintel
Would that mean that there would be far more than corruption, hallow and crimson if it weren't for DoG?
wanton pendant
Just don't kill the WoF, duh.
icy veldt
Don't know what the problem with that was...
It wasn't permanent
wanton pendant
Would that mean that there would be far more than corruption, hallow and crimson...
Yes.
A lot more, potentially.
icy veldt
And there was always a risk that someone would kill it
wanton pendant
I was being sarcastic guys ok.
errant lintel
Dryadd would commit š
wanton pendant
It was obviously a bad idea.
When the alchemists begin saying 'make a wall of flesh to dispose of the god remains' you should probably ask them if they're drunk.
The real question is where does Torch God fit in the lore.
split mortar
The real question is where does Torch God fit in the lore.
Its left vague for theories and stuff
errant lintel
I think he's hugely irrelevant
split mortar
We dunno if its even a god or a living thing at all
wanton pendant
Dragon of Lighting Things Up was unable to survive.
icy veldt
Like the Primordial Light, but even better
icy veldt
Dragon of Interior Decorating, since the Torch God appears when you place too many torches in a small area
tropic oak
itās canon that yharim used the torch god to get high
errant lintel
What if torch god is just a phenomenon rather than a being
wanton pendant
Dragon of OSHA Compliance.
robust osprey
imagine when xeroc gets added and they inflict a primordial fire debuff
torch god also inflicts that now.
wanton pendant
Torch God inflicts like, every fire debuff.
split mortar
imagine when xeroc gets added and they inflict a primordial fire debuff
Thats daybreak
wanton pendant
Even Calamitas' debuffs.
robust osprey
Thats daybreak
okay but more powerful
wanton pendant
Thus, why wouldn't Torch God be associated with the ultimate light, the power of the SUN!
split mortar
Day shatter
robust osprey
true..
errant lintel
Tuff
robust osprey
daybreaker
wanton pendant
Yeah, Torch God doesn't deal Daybroken.
robust osprey
beacuse thats a debuff only you can inflict
and probably doesnt count as fire at all
wanton pendant
They got Cursed Inferno, Frostburn, On Fire!, Brimstone Flames, Shadowflame, God Slayer Inferno, Holy Flames, Dragonfire and Vulnerability Hex.
split mortar
beacuse thats a debuff only you can inflict
Enemies will be able to inflict it in sso
Day time empress will
split mortar
and probably doesnt count as fire at all
It does get buffed by fire DoT boosts i think?
wanton pendant
They're making it a debuff icon?
Last I checked it didn't have one.
Since players can only get it in PvP.
split mortar
They're making it a debuff icon?
Idk
young socket
They're making it a debuff icon?
its had its own debuff icon in cal for a while now
but only in sso will they make one that is able to be inflicted on players
wanton pendant
Oh, that's interesting.
quaint obsidian
i gotta ask does yharon actually care about yharim or is he blinded by vegenance im seeing a lot of debates about it among personal friends
wanton pendant
i gotta ask does yharon actually care about yharim or is he blinded by vegenance...
Yharon and Yharim are best friends.
Like, Yharon's boss theme is trying to warn Yharim that what he's doing is going to get him killed.
And that he'll die trying to prevent it.
Even if we go as pessimistic as possible to Yharon's nature with him being overtly manipulative in a bid to get vengeance, he is indicated to still care about Yharim.
Because if he wasn't, he could just ignore the Terrarian, or hell, try and ally them instead.
split mortar
They are so close that their souls are attuned so yeah they great friends
wanton pendant
And also, if Yharon were to truly die, Yharim would die as he would instantly get springlocked.
quaint obsidian
yharim is still the final boss right?
wanton pendant
Yeah, eventually.
quaint obsidian
And also, if Yharon were to truly die, Yharim would die as he would instantly ge...
wait we dont kill yharon?
i thought we kill him
split mortar
We do
quaint obsidian
so yharim got spring locked?
split mortar
The guy is called the dragon of rebirth for a reason
quaint obsidian
oh
quaint obsidian
i thougth the rebirth was a once off thing
split mortar
Its very important
quaint obsidian
i geuse that is the reason why yharon is the only surviving dragon today?
most are deadge irc
split mortar
i geuse that is the reason why yharon is the only surviving dragon today?
Yeah their domain makes it especially hard to god ascend using their soul
split mortar
most are deadge irc
Every auric dragon is dead but yharon
quaint obsidian
what about the dragon pet thingy we get
wanton pendant
Yharon has the power to resurrect dragons, including himself.
But all the Dragons had their souls eaten.
quaint obsidian
akato
wanton pendant
Not canon.
quaint obsidian
k
split mortar
Not canon its dedicated item iirc
wanton pendant
Even if it were, it wouldn't be an auric dragon.
split mortar
Auric souls dont pass on to offspring yeah
wanton pendant
Basically, people eat dragon souls, turn into gods, Yharim kills gods, they turn into angry stuff.
Yharim feeds angry stuff to worm.
quaint obsidian
so the auric dragons can never come back?
quaint obsidian
damm
wanton pendant
If they could, Yharon'd have done it by now.
split mortar
Once a god uses them to ascend they are forever gone
split mortar
If they could, Yharon'd have done it by now.
Yeah
quaint obsidian
ngl i thought yharon be much more powerful or is the player almost as strong as a auric dragon?
wanton pendant
So, I was wondering, since there was a Draconic Era, and a Deific Era, did Yharim's crusade start a new 'era' since he does mention having wanted to bring back the Draconic era.
wanton pendant
ngl i thought yharon be much more powerful or is the player almost as strong as ...
If you can kill 'em, you gotta be pretty strong.
split mortar
ngl i thought yharon be much more powerful or is the player almost as strong as ...
Yharon is the second strongest auric dragon ever
distant smelt
ngl i thought yharon be much more powerful or is the player almost as strong as ...
Stronger evidently
quaint obsidian
i geuse calamitas does call us a upstart so makes sense
split mortar
The average auric dragon rivalled the eidolon wyrm miniboss in the abyss
wanton pendant
i geuse calamitas does call us a upstart so makes sense
That's because she's comparing you to Yharim, and her dialogue is currently outdated.
quaint obsidian
oh ok
split mortar
The average auric dragon rivalled the eidolon wyrm miniboss in the abyss
Eidolon wyrms being a draconic offshoot and so also dragons just not auric
wanton pendant
That's the 'one it reminds her off'.
quaint obsidian
so all in game text atm should be side eyed atm?
wanton pendant
No, just NPC dialogue.
Most of the Lore items are right, but Ravager is based on older lore, they're changing him.
split mortar
Npc and a lot of boss dialogue is outdated
Boss rush is up to date tho
split mortar
Most of the Lore items are right, but Ravager is based on older lore, they're ch...
?
Ravager getting changed?
wanton pendant
Yeah, to be god of sacrifices?
split mortar
Thats always been the case
wanton pendant
Not a bunch of guys glued together?
split mortar
Both are the case
wanton pendant
I mean, the current lore doesn't mention him being a god?
split mortar
God of sacrifices is before yharim happened
wanton pendant
Unless I'm misremembering.
split mortar
Pretty sure you are
split mortar
God of sacrifices is before yharim happened
Yharim happened then people sacrificed themself to bring god of sacrifice back
Resulting in ravager (and also blood god connections?)
Ravager is a zombie god
quaint obsidian
why does polter ghast look like plantera or is that just a case of similarities
split mortar
why does polter ghast look like plantera or is that just a case of similarities
Outdated as fuck design
young socket
fabsolian boss
wanton pendant
Same reason their are so many worm bosses.
young socket
I mean, the current lore doesn't mention him being a god?
The mangled reincarnation of the God of Sacrifices, given life once more. Necromancers sworn to his faith returned his broken body to his temple, offering the only sacrifices they could to reverse his Deathā their own lives. Yet, necromancy is an imperfect art, and the god has very little of his mind left, simply destroying all it comes across.
wanton pendant
Is that in the bestiary? I must have missed that.
split mortar
Outdated as fuck design
We have snippets of its concept art for a resprite but i dont have em
young socket
Is that in the bestiary? I must have missed that.
yes
wanton pendant
I feel like I saw it before, but I wasn't sure if it was in game yet.
Because Ravager is still his old design. Didn't know they had that.
My mistake.
split mortar
My mistake.
Sorgy dropping you into the eel pit now
wanton pendant
Why doesn't Yharim put a cardboard cut out of an auric soul underneath a box propped up with a stick to catch the gods? Is he stupid?
dusk laurel
We have snippets of its concept art for a resprite but i dont have em
note that these are all wips
wanton pendant
No seriously where does Jesus fit into the Calamity lore there are so many crosses. Did Yharim crucify people or something?
split mortar
No seriously where does Jesus fit into the Calamity lore there are so many cross...
Idk
split mortar
Thanks
wanton pendant
Better question, did Yharim crucify Jesus in the Calamity lore?
split mortar
Not this convo again
dusk laurel
jesus and christianity isnt canon i believe, crosses are usually associated with christianity but they arent exclusive to it
real silo
The cross represents swords
wanton pendant
What do you mean not again how often does this get brought up?
real silo
Pretty often
wanton pendant
Also, source on it representing swords?
split mortar
What do you mean not again how often does this get brought up?
I can recall at least 2 times yharim vs jesus has been discussed
wanton pendant
Yharim when he kills Jesus but he resurrects and says 'I forgive you'.
nimble mantle
Close enough. Welcome back, Berserker Lancelot.
jaunty wraith
Yharim when he kills Jesus but he resurrects and says 'I forgive you'.
Isnt that basicly him vs silva minus the forgiveness part?
wanton pendant
Yeah that's why Jesus has the edge.
jaunty wraith
Jesus gonna be thrown into the abyss
wanton pendant
Three days later:
split mortar
Yharim becomes a jesus blender until age stabs him afaik
magic epoch
How do I ping moderator
you use staff mail
sinful adder
Oh right. Inconvenient.
glacial rampart
Oh right. Inconvenient.
yes because giving the members of the calamity mod discord server the ability to ping every moderator at will is a good idea
you're so right!
limpid saddle
should be able to ping everyone and the owner too
yeah but think about how bad that would make griefing
leaden locust
ātwas satire, dear GGG
limpid saddle
on the internet you can never say for sure when someone is being sarcastic, or just genuinely stupid
usually i can tell
but this time
I have failed
leaden locust
did you read the two messages above me
split mortar
should be able to ping everyone and the owner too
You can ping the owner iirc
leaden locust
ok
limpid saddle
did you read the two messages above me
yeah i didnt really process those 100%
i have a really bad migraine & im very tired so im liable to be profoundly disassociated
sinful adder
in retrospect yeah that would be bad
I forgot that this is one of the largest discord servers
glacial rampart
I forgot that this is one of the largest discord servers
yeah dont think thats what i was getting at
sinful adder
It works in smaller servers
sinful adder
@moderator kill this person with hammers
Yeah see that's what I do whenever there's a scammer
leaden locust
at least itās a good cause
wanton pendant
I'm not sure if the moderators are part of the lore.
icy veldt
Nuclear reactors, such as those used by Draedon, have neutron moderators. Does that count?
icy veldt
A neutron moderator is necessary for a nuclear reactor to be useful at all. OSHA has nothing to do with it
wanton pendant
Draedon would figure out a way. Just to prove he can, physics be damned.
icy veldt
Yeah okay
wanton pendant
You see the vision.
crisp umbra
hi
crisp umbra
then is the distortion a paralell dimension or what?
wanton pendant
But I don't, so I'm doing this sober.
So, we don't know, just that it's not our world.
Most things there are part of a hive mind.
wanton pendant
The Devourer and Signus are loyal to a thing named Noxus.
crisp umbra
yes
wanton pendant
You haven't defeated Noxus.
He's not in the mod.
Storm Weaver is from there, but he's free.
crisp umbra
but he was in wrath of the gods
wanton pendant
No, he's not.
crisp umbra
although it isnt cannon+
wanton pendant
It's not canon.
And he's not in it.
That was Embodiment of Emptiness.
A different chap.
Older versions did have a Noxus fight, but it was replaced.
Either way, not canon, so it's not relevant.
pliant ruin
i mean i already defeated him
Not hive mind as in the boss as in the actual definition of the word hive mind
wanton pendant
Very little in the distortion is its own independent life form.
They all share an intelligence.
pliant ruin
Several beings under complete control of a single one
wanton pendant
(Which may or may not just be Noxus.)
pliant ruin
The Devourer and Signus are loyal to a thing named Noxus.
Also
crisp umbra
so every memory is shared right?
pliant ruin
This is wrong
Signus isn't loyal to Noxus
Devourer is though
Signus is a entirely independent being that is not subservient to anyone and who is direct competition to Noxus
wanton pendant
so every memory is shared right?
Yes, and thought.
pliant ruin
Not known
crisp umbra
curious
wanton pendant
They don't have brains.
crisp umbra
are they gods?
wanton pendant
Sans Signus, Devourer, Storm Weaver.
crisp umbra
who is sans
pliant ruin
No
icy veldt
They all share a single brain cell, just like orange cats!
crisp umbra
ah ok
pliant ruin
None of the distortion beings are gods
wanton pendant
As in, they are all part of a hive mind, sans the ones that aren't.
icy veldt
Orange... cat... Provy confirmed?
wanton pendant
No.
crisp umbra
ohh
now i understand
and i have a quesstion
every thing u know
aboyut the lore
wanton pendant
I really don't think you do.
crisp umbra
how do u know it
wanton pendant
I read the in game text.
crisp umbra
~~I really don't think you do.~~
š
wanton pendant
Like I asked you to.
crisp umbra
i dont have that much time tbh
pliant ruin
- There is a doc in the pins with all the in-game lore
- Developers talk about it in the discord sometimes, albeit do note anything the developers say is not fully canonized until it is actually implemented ingame
crisp umbra
thats why i prefer watching videos
pliant ruin
and this one just goes for me but i like bragging so
3. lore devs r my besties so ive literally helped them with certain things before lmao
icy veldt
Reading some text takes less time than watching a video, though
wanton pendant
A video would take longer and be more at risk of being wrong, since you don't have anyone to correct them when they make a mistake.
crisp umbra
1. There is a doc in the pins with all the in-game lore
2. Developers talk about...
later ill enter then
crisp umbra
A video would take longer and be more at risk of being wrong, since you don't ha...
you are right
you know
i tried reading
for example
the stuff bosses drop after being defeated
but i didnt underatnd a bit
pliant ruin
Alot of lore videos for calamity on youtube fall under the same common mistakes of taking all the stuff in the game at complete face value
wanton pendant
Anyway, all the lore items are from the biased perspective of Yharim, the antagonist. Surely you at least know who he is?
crisp umbra
i think yharim was a warrior right?
pliant ruin
Alot of lore videos for calamity on youtube fall under the same common mistakes ...
They're not really narrative analyses as much as they're just retelling all the stuff that is actually written ingame without any actual thought put into what it means which results in alot of people just going yep yharim was a good guy but he fell off and he regrets it now yep
wanton pendant
Yes, he was a tyrant who waged a crusade for over a hundred years.
pliant ruin
(Not the case he's like really evil actually)
icy veldt
i think yharim was a warrior right?
Among other things
pliant ruin
I mean
icy veldt
Nanomachines, son.
wanton pendant
That is, they have the power of a shared soul bond.
icy veldt
(jk)
crisp umbra
ahh
wanton pendant
Also, he has magic armour.
wanton pendant
That electrocutes anyone who touches it.
crisp umbra
that he shared the soul with yharon right?
wanton pendant
No, other way round.
pliant ruin
- Hundreds of years of combat experience. Most of his life was spent in war.
- He has armor made of the literal strongest metal in the world
- He has attunement with Yharon but i'll be real this dosen't really matter too much. It dosen't give him any powers or anything it just makes him essentially unaging and full of vitality until he dies
pliant ruin
Yharim is just a really strong guy in the same way that the Terrarian can just be a really strong guy
wanton pendant
And he's basically Napoleon. On steroids.
crisp umbra
weong
wanton pendant
*Wrong.
crisp umbra
there was a smith civilization right? which gases infected one of the oceans that would eventually become the sulphuric ocean
wanton pendant
Azafure, yes.
They were killed around fifteen years before the game starts, give or take.
wanton pendant
Yes.
crisp umbra
she isnt human right?
wanton pendant
A goddess. Who is evil.
crisp umbra
god of what?
pliant ruin
What do you mean by "who" exactly
crisp umbra
What do you mean by "who" exactly
WHAT TYPE OF ENTITY
wanton pendant
A goddess.
pliant ruin
I mean yeah
crisp umbra
sorry
pliant ruin
goddess
wanton pendant
That's what she is.
pliant ruin
shes literally called the profaned goddess, dosent get much more clear than that
it's ok
wanton pendant
It's in her name, Providence, Profaned Goddess.
Most names in the mod are very literal. With some exceptions.
crisp umbra
what does profaned mean
pliant ruin
Profaned is a word that basically just means unholy
wanton pendant
Like, have you heard the term Profanity?
pliant ruin
She's called that because she's really fucking evil and everyone hates her
zenith geode
Most names in the mod are very literal. With some exceptions.
where does exotic mechanicals fall
wanton pendant
where does exotic mechanicals fall
Made of Exotic Resonance.
And Mechanical.
Very literal name.
zenith geode
didnt know she was so evil
she cleanses the world of its sin through her purifying flames
crisp umbra
who or what is ceaseless void
pliant ruin
Providence's entire motivation is that she thinks life itself is inherently miserable so she's on a mission to rid the world of it
crisp umbra
?
crisp umbra
At least, that's what she says.
true
pliant ruin
Basically "There can't be suffering if there isn't life"
crisp umbra
oh
crisp umbra
so he is very importtant right?
wanton pendant
Probably made by Noxus.
zenith geode
yeah ceaseless is important
crisp umbra
oh i thought he was alive
long bloom
definitely made by noxus
wanton pendant
Or, I don't know, Noxus' long lost brother, Boxus.
Nope, it's just a magic portal.
young socket
im ngl this is gonna go much faster and easier if u just read the lore doc
zenith geode
gonna be made a lot more important when distortion update drops
crisp umbra
and why do we have to kill ceaseless void, storm weaver and signus?
wanton pendant
You don't have to in the current version.
crisp umbra
whats the reason
crisp umbra
or its just progression
zenith geode
signus is morally ambiguous
long bloom
whats the reason
to become stronger
crisp umbra
?
pliant ruin
You don't kill ceaseless because again, it isn't alive
You're just breaking the seal on it that allows you to access the distortion
zenith geode
he saved someone from the distortion at a pretty hefty cost (couple of limbs)
pliant ruin
It's just a portal
wanton pendant
he saved someone from the distortion at a pretty hefty cost (couple of limbs)
That's what I would call a jerk move.
crisp umbra
god
pliant ruin
Also guys i'll be real y'all are not being very clear with your explanations
crisp umbra
i wish we could enter into the distortion
pliant ruin
We will be able to eventually
long bloom
Eventuallyā¢
zenith geode
just wait a few years
crisp umbra
i dont want to wait
wanton pendant
Too bad.
crisp umbra
š
zenith geode
distortion update will become real in 2.3 fargo femtoseconds
wanton pendant
I want more Calamitas dialogue, we can't get what we want.
pliant ruin
as for Weaver
What "reason" you have to kill Weaver (or any boss, for that matter) isn't defined because the Terrarian is not a character, it's just a blank slate
But as for that specific instance
pliant ruin
We don't know about dude's lore currently but it's a very hungry predator so it's reasonable to assume it'd just, attack you lol
long bloom
??
wanton pendant
Rotten stars.
pliant ruin
Please read the lore doc š
pliant ruin
You can atleast use ctrl + f to search for specific things you might want to look into
wanton pendant
I got that feeling based on your writing style.
crisp umbra
š
wanton pendant
Astral Infection is rotten stars.
pliant ruin
Astral Infection is a illness born out of the rotten corpses of stars
The infection you find ingame is the result of a rotten, dead star being sent to Terraria and the illness within it spreading through the land
wanton pendant
Stars aren't like real life, they are made of literal magic.
crisp umbra
I got that feeling based on your writing style.
i know how to write but its because i do it very fasst that i confuse
wanton pendant
When they die, they do that.
wanton pendant
So Astrum Deus' species are there to eat them before they rot.
The one we fight failed, and got infected.
crisp umbra
isnt astrum deus
wanton pendant
Not a god.
crisp umbra
a robot from draedron
wanton pendant
No.
crisp umbra
that go infected?
wanton pendant
That's Astrum Aureus.
crisp umbra
oh
wanton pendant
Astrum Aureus is a survey droid that got infected.
crisp umbra
yeahi got confused between them
wanton pendant
It is dangerous.
Very dangerous, even.
Great risk to interstellar travel, it poses.
pliant ruin
Deus is a organic being. Astrum Dei are a species of space creatures that essentially act like space vultures, eating dead stars before the rot can take over them, thus keeping the Astral Infection in check.
The one we fight ingame tried to eat a star, but since the star was already infected, so did it. The Deus you fight ingame is agressive because it's infected
They're not evil or good
they're just animals
It's worth noting that in future updates, once Deus's fight is reworked, you won't kill it
wanton pendant
The one you fight is also having the infection beaten out of it, apparently.
crisp umbra
oh
pliant ruin
You'll fight it, cleansing it of the infection
crisp umbra
its their instinct
pliant ruin
And after you do thsi it will return to its life in space
crisp umbra
of survival
wanton pendant
Yeah, they just do that.
Astrum Deus has no real intentions, just wants to eat. Until it gets infected.
It's probably very young for its kind.
crisp umbra
thx a lot guys
pliant ruin
Don't think a uninfected Deus would have no reason to hurt you
It just wants to eat stars and stuff
crisp umbra
i understand now
wanton pendant
Are you sure?
crisp umbra
i think yess
but i still got more questions
as
who is ravager
does he have a lore
wanton pendant
A god zombie.
long bloom
agnus immolatus
wanton pendant
Yeah.
long bloom
the god of sacrifices
wanton pendant
He was the God of Sacrifices. Self Sacrifices.
long bloom
revived
crisp umbra
and why do we kill him
long bloom
he's evil now
wanton pendant
Because he's a zombie.
crisp umbra
i thought yarim is the one that killed gods
long bloom
i thought yarim is the one that killed gods
we do too sometimes
crisp umbra
yes
wanton pendant
But this one came back, with a vengeance, and a hunger for violence.
long bloom
the terrarian is you
crisp umbra
~~the terrarian is you~~
i know
wanton pendant
At least someone does...
wanton pendant
Water elemental.
long bloom
and big lizard
crisp umbra
oh
wanton pendant
Leviathan may or may not be a construct of some kind.
crisp umbra
as simple as that
pliant ruin
Agnus was the God of Sacrifices, who was quite a kind and benevolent god. He quite literally sacrificed himself for his people, feeding them his blood and flesh which could cure illnesses and heal the wounded.
However, Yharim eventually killed him, and he was then ressurected by a group of cultists. The ressurection went horribly, and Agnus came back as a mutilated, mindless undead, which is now known as Ravager
wanton pendant
Not that integral to the plot, just wants to flood everything.
pliant ruin
Ravager is a mindless brute and a husk of who Agnus once was
Killing it is basically just an act of mercy
crisp umbra
Agnus was the God of Sacrifices, who was quite a kind and benevolent god. He qui...
he was going to get reworked right'
?
pliant ruin
Yes he will get reworked eventually
long bloom
he was going to get reworked right'
is
pliant ruin
All of the bosses will
long bloom
they all suck ass
wanton pendant
Because they're all really old.
And the old lead dev was crazy.
So a lot of his decisions live on in them.
crisp umbra
fabsol right?
wanton pendant
So they gotta get rid of 'em.
pliant ruin
Basically all of the bosses were made exclusively by fabsol, nobody else was allowed to touch them
wanton pendant
Yes, him.
pliant ruin
Which led to the Bosses being extremely outdated and low quality compared to everything else
because Fabsol kinda sucked as a developer actually
Literally every single calamity boss just reuses vanilla code
long bloom
who knew
wanton pendant
The Drunk Priness lines about reprogramming while drunk? Not a joke.
pliant ruin
ex-King of the Sunken Sea
crisp umbra
why ex
wanton pendant
A kingdom that Calamitas nuked.
long bloom
who is amidias
read his bestiary
pliant ruin
Or well, yeah, Illmeris
crisp umbra
oh gosh}
wanton pendant
Yharim told her to.
wanton pendant
Also, she was probably a child when she did it. Like, 16/17 or something.
wanton pendant
She fought the Brimstone Elemental, and just got them.
long bloom
brimstone elemental probably
crisp umbra
but that fight
wanton pendant
It's not clear how, just that they are similar to the Brimstone Elemental.
long bloom
absorbed some magic
crisp umbra
no one won
long bloom
correct
pliant ruin
Yeah Yharim basically manipulated a child who had lost all of her family overnight into being his child soldier
He then used child soldier to nuke a entire kingdom and killing thousands of innocents, destroying ecosystems and causing the extinction of several species, all because there two gods in the Sunken Sea that he wanted to kill
pliant ruin
Yeah Yharim basically manipulated a child who had lost all of her family overnig...
And said gods were explicitly stated to have been benevolent gods btw
They werent even evil
crisp umbra
and why is calamitas clone so different to her
pliant ruin
old sprite
wanton pendant
Because the clone's insane.
pliant ruin
she is not an eyeball
long bloom
This was behind the back of her dad.
father figure not actual dad