lore-discussion

[vocal cairn]

welcome to calamity guys

[long bloom]

respawning ain't canon bro

[vocal cairn]

From our perspective 😭

[tropic oak]

wtf.

[pliant ruin]

abbadom my guy you're trying to do a rebutall and failing miserably please just stop man

[tropic oak]

bluie

why are you blue

[wanton pendant]

The only Terrarian lore is that they are in hardcore, and are a menace I tell you!

[nimble mantle]

Oh wait, that one old daedalus lore

[pliant ruin]

things don't have to make logical sense from a real life perspective

it's a Fantasy Setting

there's worms that travel beetween realities with portals and shit

[wanton pendant]

Does Daedalus even exist anymore or did he get nuked?

[tropic oak]

though i think it would be undoubtly scary as fuck if respawning were canon could you imagine yharim's reaction

[pliant ruin]

Nah he's dead

[tropic oak]

dude is like

[pliant ruin]

Yeah if respawning was canon the entire narrative would break

😭

[long bloom]

eviscerated

[wanton pendant]

He's dead and we steal his clothes.

[vocal cairn]

If respawning is canon im pretty sure everyone could respawn

So nobody would actually end up dying

[tropic oak]

we just said it isnt

4 times

[vocal cairn]

I said ”if”

[stoic gulch]

Lore discussion

[wanton pendant]

Yharim would get his work cut out for him if every god he killed got back up after thirty seconds.

[vocal cairn]

Lemme rephrase it, ”in the scenario”

[tropic oak]

good for him that he and yharon are friends, i suppose

i honestly wouldve liked to dive deeper into that relationship if the chance ever arised

draconic stories........

[pliant ruin]

yharon watching as some random dude has the same exact power as his specific domain which only he has had for literally all of history

[tropic oak]

TRUIE

[pliant ruin]

True!

[wanton pendant]

I hope Yharon gets more fleshed out, along with DoG, they don't have a whole lot of 'stuff' they do.

[young socket]

and have it be like a million times better

[nimble mantle]

Ehhh... Yeah

Except the soul is burning too

[vocal cairn]

Yharon just gave a tutorial to yharim after the egg incubated about what to do, gave him a quest

[pliant ruin]

Yharon and Yharim don't get much development on their relationship which leads to many who aren't as versed in the lore assume Yharon is a "servant" or "pet" to Yharim (specially with the lyrics to ROTJD) while in reality they're more like best friends

[wanton pendant]

I mean, assuming Yharim is honest he decided to genocide on his own, Yharon only gave him a 'justification'.

[tropic oak]

yharon watching as some random dude has the same exact power as his specific domain* as well as the ability to use such within a matter of 15 seconds

[pliant ruin]

plus yeah Yharon is like just as at fault for the Crusade as Yharim is but, again

dosen't get fleshed out much ingame

[long bloom]

mf can't talk 💔

[wanton pendant]

Like, we don't really know WHAT Yharon did in the crusade, or before he died the first time.

[tropic oak]

[wanton pendant]

And DoG does like, one thing.

[tropic oak]

yharon can talk doe....

[pliant ruin]

I'd love if it got more development in future updates

He can talk but in Draconic which uh

yeah

[wanton pendant]

That's what I'm saying.

[pliant ruin]

Just get new a permanent upgrade

Draconic Language Manual

[wanton pendant]

Get Hiccup to translate.

[pliant ruin]

you use it and now you can understand both yharon and old duke

🦐 its just that shrimple

[long bloom]

truw

[wanton pendant]

Old Duke is just really racist.

[vocal cairn]

I mean if you know of yharim’s existence you’re also supposed to know that yharon saved his life

[pliant ruin]

you get it by throwing a normal book in the shimmer fountain

[vocal cairn]

Why wouldnt they be best friends

[tropic oak]

post-xeroc he respawns in the aerie finally and we can talk to him but hes completely unintellignable

[young socket]

its actually twenty one million times better

[misty latch]

What the name Yharim’s sword????

[pliant ruin]

dosen't have one

[young socket]

doesnt have a name

[wanton pendant]

It was called the Ultisword back in the day, but I think that was retconned.

[long bloom]

true tryant's ultisword

[vocal cairn]

”Ultisword” sounds so corny 😭

[wanton pendant]

Yeah that's probably why it got retconned.

[tropic oak]

can someone PLEASE get me a dragon translator i cant understand a LICK of what this GUY IS SAYING

[wanton pendant]

'Cause unlike Calamitas he didn't name his stuff at 14.

[dusk laurel]

gigablast

[tropic oak]

i imagine since we cant understand draconic yharon sounds like the parents from charlie brown

[dusk laurel]

yk asriel and calamitas both named their attacks when they were like 14

[wanton pendant]

He says things like; Howdeedoodeethere - Hello

[mighty zenith]

ultisword was so funny because you're telling me you can craft the main bad guy's weapon and its like post golem

[pliant ruin]

TRUE

[mighty zenith]

and then it turns out it wasnt the REAL weapon which is like post polter

😭

[pliant ruin]

YEAH AND ITS LIKE

POST POLTER

ITS NOT EVEN ENDGAME

[wanton pendant]

The Truer Tyrant's Ultisword.

[pliant ruin]

literal main villain and final boss's sword

and the ABSOLUTE STRONGEST VERSION OF IT is post polter

[mighty zenith]

true true tyrant's ultisword 🔥

[pliant ruin]

😭 🔥

[wanton pendant]

The Real Final Actual True For Real This Time Tyrant's Ultisword Mark 3.

[dusk laurel]

and then dia made a sprite for the ACTUAL sword that drops from yharim

[tropic oak]

yharim think he iron man

[dusk laurel]

how much longer will it go

[wanton pendant]

Now it's just the Blighted Cleaver.

[mighty zenith]

way better name

[wanton pendant]

Why on earth is it made at an evil alter what the hell.

[mighty zenith]

uhh blighted

[dusk laurel]

its um green like the corruption

[wanton pendant]

It's not green!?

And the corruption's purple!?

[vocal cairn]

I don’t think iron man has bonded with the soul of a dragon that lengthens his lifespan

So works out for him

[wanton pendant]

Knowing comics, he probably has.

At least twice.

And a third with the venom symbiote.

[dusk laurel]

its purple and green

[wanton pendant]

And with pheonix force for good measure.

[vocal cairn]

Yeah but in comics everyone does something godly

If everyone’s a god, is there really a god?

[dusk laurel]

and this thing is just weird

[wanton pendant]

The one above all?

[mighty zenith]

you can think of something ridiculous and there's a non-zero chance a comic book character has done that

[wanton pendant]

It's a Pokémon reference. AParently.

You can name a crime and someone did it in the old Sonic comics, and there's a decent chance it was one of the good guys.

[mighty zenith]

doesnt seem all that practical

[vocal cairn]

I’ve played Pokémon for years and I don’t see the reference rn

[mighty zenith]

feels like more a war axe

than a sword

[wanton pendant]

It's Haxorus.

[mighty zenith]

except with a tiny handle

[pliant ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/say-that-again-gif-968943876633031890

[pliant ruin]

blighted?

[mighty zenith]

i kinda see it

[cloud ibex]

i remember some pre 22 plans about making it more of a ceremonial executioner's sword or whatever than a conventional weapon

hence the wackass shape

[mighty zenith]

that makes more sense

[nimble mantle]

The fucking palette

[wanton pendant]

That reminds me, does Calamitas have a knife, 'cause some of her attack animations look like she's trying to stab me.

[dusk laurel]

no

[nimble mantle]

[pliant ruin]

yes im going to shiv you

[vocal cairn]

This is gonna sound weird but the first thing I thought of was a part of Lysandres hair

[wanton pendant]

I mean, that's still genocidal I guess.

[mighty zenith]

well of course

she's british

[vocal cairn]

Says who

[tropic oak]

down with british calamitas

[mighty zenith]

me

[wanton pendant]

That makes sense.

[tropic oak]

says dm dokuro for making her british

[pliant ruin]

she's NOT british

[tropic oak]

[pliant ruin]

wont tolerate this slander

literally spanish

[mighty zenith]

youre british cheese.

accept it

[pliant ruin]

IM NOT

[wanton pendant]

Another tragedy in her life.

[tropic oak]

COULDNT LEAVE US WELL ENOUGH ALONE

[dusk laurel]

all my homies do not believe in british calamitas

[tropic oak]

COULD YOU?

[vocal cairn]

She ain’t Spanish..

I’d rather have her be British

[pliant ruin]

She is literally spanish Azafure is literally based of spain

[mighty zenith]

no offense to the va but its so exaggerated

[wanton pendant]

Then again the music video's outdated it literally uses an ancient design of her.

[pliant ruin]

Azafure literally comes from the word Azufre which is spanish for Sulphur

[cloud ibex]

i have moved past britlamitas and seen the light of spanish calamitas

[mighty zenith]

its such a strong accent

[wanton pendant]

Ok, Spain isn't that hellish.

[vocal cairn]

When has that been said..

[wanton pendant]

When they named it Azafure.

[cloud ibex]

_ _

[pliant ruin]

_ _

[wanton pendant]

Azufre means Sulphur.

[dusk laurel]

word

[cloud ibex]

[tropic oak]

nice

[mighty zenith]

laugh at this user

[wanton pendant]

Why aren't you guys saying anything?

[pliant ruin]

wulfrum dog

[cloud ibex]

_ _

[dusk laurel]

_ _

[pliant ruin]

i have a unhealthy obsession with wulfrum (noun)

roy brainrot

wulfrum YOU

you're wulfrum now

bitc

[mighty zenith]

i gotta say its wulftastic

[vocal cairn]

Hey watch out mate I still have that picture

[wanton pendant]

Wulfrunderful.

[tropic oak]

they should rename lore-discussion to vernal pass

👍

[mighty zenith]

calzone reference?

[vocal cairn]

😉🤔

Say that again

[wanton pendant]

They should make a lore reason as to why Calamitas stabs you, and then make the knife a post-golem craftable weapon.

That can be upgraded post-polterghast.

[tropic oak]

i would not know i have no clue what that server is

[long bloom]

true

[wanton pendant]

True Witch's Ultiknife.

[pliant ruin]

the lore reason is idk felt like it

me when i stab the terrarian because im bored

[mighty zenith]

true...

[vocal cairn]

Not everything in terraria calamity needs lore but I like it

[pliant ruin]

im gonna stab you next..

[wanton pendant]

Is there a lore reason not everything needs lore?

[tropic oak]

ceaseless void

[wanton pendant]

True.

[vocal cairn]

Because the original dragons crafted it to be that way, once upon a time..

[pliant ruin]

given Azafure is spain pilled and iirc stip said Chrysalis will have inspiration form Greek architecture and aesthethics to some extent i wonder what Illmeris will be like

[wanton pendant]

Long before time had a name, the first Spinjitzu master...

[tropic oak]

i am a dragon my auric soul is kicking ass

[wanton pendant]

Ilmeris should be Sicilian.

Like, Seacily.

[pliant ruin]

Illmeris is funny because you can't really compare it to any real life cultures very directly given its under the fucking water

[wanton pendant]

THE DUTCH!

[tropic oak]

atlantis

(joke)

[vocal cairn]

First of all.. that’s my country

Second of all, it’s ABOVE the water..

[pliant ruin]

I'm also interested on Kinsmen

[wanton pendant]

How does it feel waking up every morning having to bail out your home.

[pliant ruin]

They obviously seem to have east asian inspiration

[wanton pendant]

It's literally below sea level.

Who's Kinsmen again?

[tropic oak]

the onyx?

right

[pliant ruin]

ye

[tropic oak]

erm

we know nothing .

excellent .

[pliant ruin]

The guys who worshipped slime god and signus
We don't know much abt them but

[wanton pendant]

Oh, those guys.

[tropic oak]

ye

[pliant ruin]

Based of statigel gear and the fact Statis, the Ninja, is one of them

[wanton pendant]

They are ninjas... and... uh... slimy?

[pliant ruin]

Safe to say they're leaning onto east asian aesthethics and inspo

[tropic oak]

SHADOW GOVERNMENT

[pliant ruin]

Which honestly

Random idea but

[vocal cairn]

Yeah because we Dutchies totally begin the day by eating cheese, maintaining the windmills and building dikes..

[pliant ruin]

Makes me think it'd be cool for Slime God's design to have some east asian elements on it too

[wanton pendant]

I'm sorry to hear that.

[pliant ruin]

Like

Given his role as a protector of balance

[tropic oak]

[pliant ruin]

The Obvious One would be. yknow

[vocal cairn]

Where r u from?

[pliant ruin]

yin yang

[wanton pendant]

Fueng Shue Slime God or however it's spelt.

[tropic oak]

i would also like to think that the onyx kinsmen also act as possible agents of balance in some capacity,

or well,

did.

[cloud ibex]

The Return

[wanton pendant]

Then they all died to dying disease.

[vocal cairn]

Sadly east Asia or hell any part of earth isn’t canon to the terraria world so there goes that

[wanton pendant]

What about Sweden?

[tropic oak]

once balance they could now operate differently because of whatever signus and statis agreed upon

[pliant ruin]

Do you know how worldbuilding works

[tropic oak]

would be cool if the kinsmen were now acting as an extra arm of signus now

[pliant ruin]

Do you know how Writing a Story works

[tropic oak]

perhaps being part of the deal...

[vocal cairn]

Why Sweden specifically?

[wanton pendant]

Sweden is canon to Terraria.

[vocal cairn]

[mighty zenith]

party girl talks about sweden

[pliant ruin]

I'm pretty sure the general consensus is that Statis is the only known remaining Kinsmen

[tropic oak]

ah

i did not know this

[wanton pendant]

According to Yharim.

[pliant ruin]

Dunno if they're all actually 100% definitely dead though

[tropic oak]

theyre ninjas

theyre totally alive

[pliant ruin]

Yeah there might be other ones alive

[mighty zenith]

this is because terraria doesnt give a shit about world building

👍

[tropic oak]

or at least a small portion of them

[vocal cairn]

Yeah but it’s the party girl so she’s probably drank some booze if u see what I mean

[pliant ruin]

Same way how there's definitely still some gods left

[mighty zenith]

not even saying this to be mean relogic just doesnt care about it

[wanton pendant]

Yeah, but you're forgetting, the less ninja's the stronger.

[tropic oak]

i guess my theory would still apply, at least to those remaining ninjas

[wanton pendant]

So if we get rid of the rest, Statis gets stronger.

[tropic oak]

i think them acting as an arm of signus would be cool as hell because of what statis and signus agreed upon

[pliant ruin]

what does Kinsmen mean again

[tropic oak]

[wanton pendant]

Kin means family.

[pliant ruin]

Like what's the definition of that word

[tropic oak]

(in anthropological or formal use) a man who is one of a person's blood relations.

[pliant ruin]

interesting

[tropic oak]

i assume not literally in this case

that or, they did blood pacts or whatever

[pliant ruin]

Might be a thing where they all act as a "family" to eachother..?
Also the "Onyx" in there is interesting

[wanton pendant]

They are some kind of cultural group probably.

[pliant ruin]

One thing to note is

It's fair to assume they worshipped Signus prior to Slime God methinks

[tropic oak]

Onyx comes through Latin (of the same spelling), from the Ancient Greek ὄνυξ (onyx), meaning 'claw' or 'fingernail'. Onyx with pink and white bands can sometimes resemble a fingernail. The English word "nail" is cognate with the Greek word.

not after?

[wanton pendant]

Climbing claws are used to make ninja gear.

[tropic oak]

we do make slime god fuck off in a sense

[pliant ruin]

Mainly by virtue of Slime God being a entity that likely came into existence much later

[tropic oak]

ah,

true,

[glacial rampart]

[tropic oak]

but do we know how long the kinsmen have existed for?

i would not remember if we do

[wanton pendant]

By eating the Dragon of Mucus (Or gluttony if you're not a Mucus Truther.)

[pliant ruin]

Don't think we do yeah

[pliant ruin]

gloombo

[tropic oak]

if theyre a fairly recent faction it would be wise to think slime god came first,

then statis made deal --> now revere signus

[long bloom]

the statis deal was like

a month ago

[pliant ruin]

I assume he means prior to that

[tropic oak]

ye

[pliant ruin]

Not like That deal but A Deal

[vocal cairn]

The dragon of mucus?😭

That’s rediculous

[wanton pendant]

It'd have to be fairly recent 'cause Statis can't have been there for more then a year.

[tropic oak]

he couldnt have been no

[wanton pendant]

'Cause that's when he got banished.

[pliant ruin]

Yeah statis and braelor vs yharim was like

[tropic oak]

if you could please consult the graph

[wanton pendant]

So he'd have to make the deal afterwards.

[pliant ruin]

a really recent event

[wanton pendant]

Last year or so according to Draedon.

[pliant ruin]

Tyrant.......... dms...........

[tropic oak]

[long bloom]

current consensus ~6 months ago

[wanton pendant]

It was a few months since the fight, though. But had been less then a year since Yharim came to Draedon.

Insert Venom meme.

[tropic oak]

do we have a 6 months version of that with yharim

someone get our top artists on this

[warm gull]

t

[stoic gulch]

Ok StinkyChungus25 go back to your hole

[warm gull]

im always in my hole

[fierce pagoda]

Have there been any new lore tidbits shared by any devs

[long bloom]

since?

[fierce pagoda]

uhm like 3 months ago

[long bloom]

there's everything about agnus

[robust osprey]

noxus has been confirmed to be the roaring knight

[fierce pagoda]

I should've fucking known

who is agnus now, a new god perhaps

[robust osprey]

no

an old god

sacrifices to be exact

just given a name

[fierce pagoda]

uuu I see

Agnus signus

[fleet wedge]

LA Creaturas

[wanton pendant]

We need to turn Calamitas into a worm boss, to restore balance.

[robust osprey]

calamitas?

sepulcher is the new final boss alongside thanatos

and only thanatos

[wanton pendant]

Calamitas Clone will be a lamia in the next resprite.

Eye of Cthulhu will now be Large Intestine of Cthulhu.

Skeletron will be Slugatron.

[fleet wedge]

What?

[fleet wedge]

I mean I'm pretty sure he'd be like that either way

[fleet wedge]

Yesss

[fleet wedge]

Imagine an animated prequel for this

[tropic oak]

crazy amount of edits

[wanton pendant]

It's possible to see edits?

Aw man, people will see the typos I cover up.

[young socket]

not without the dark arts

[wanton pendant]

Well, that's good news, now no one will know that I make spelling mistakes.

[young socket]

i will know

👁️

[wanton pendant]

Well don't tell anyone!

[cloud ibex]

huge burger

[wanton pendant]

It's a secret to everyone.

Just made the mistake of seeing what the Steam Community page thinks about the lore.

[cloud ibex]

unfortunate please don't share

[fleet wedge]

Where?

[fleet wedge]

Man everytime I see 22 in this server I'm reminded of the freaking
The 22 Bullet Theory from the Fandom wiki

[wanton pendant]

You'll have to solve the riddles three to find it.

The what?

Regardless, I've learned from my mistakes, the Fandom Wiki will be my only source of lore from now on!

[fleet wedge]

[fleet wedge]

Idk the hylotls from Starbound?
(Pretty sure they're Japan pilled anyways )

[wanton pendant]

Again, I stand by them being Seacilian.

[fleet wedge]

These typos are Pissing me off...
I'm the original Editwalker

[icy veldt]

Ilmeris is Maryland

[wanton pendant]

Yeah but Maryland is one of the states nobody cares about, feels kinda underwhelming.

[alpine jetty]

so is the blood god still alive or

[crimson junco]

Ravager is the Blood God

[alpine jetty]

oh i thought he was

the god of sacrafices

whoops

[crimson junco]

God of Sacrifices was when before he died and turned into Ravager

Domain changed

[alpine jetty]

oooooooooooooooh ok ok

[robust osprey]

well I mean

blood god is very much not alive

you just killed it

again

[scenic olive]

Thanatos made with Auric Plating vs Sepulcher with Cosmilite Armor

Whos winning

[somber wren]

Probably Thanatos.
Cosmilite is strong, but I don't think it's strong enough to overcome the sheer craftsmanship behind Thanatos.

Thanatos is nearly Invulnerable until it opens up its armor plates to expose its inner machinery to vent heat, and even then it's incredibly durable.

I don't even know if giving Thanatos Auric plating will make it stronger because either the plating doesn't matter because it's armor is already nearly unbreakable, or it does help and it turns a one-sided stomp into even more of a slaughter

[plucky juniper]

now im just imagining auric thanatos where his head is instead a drill made out of auric plating and it utterly tears through anyone unfortunate enough to get caught in the auric drill and its auric rejection

then it'd be justifiable to actually make its head stomps insta-kills

[zealous parrot]

Is Thanatos stronger than dog lore wise?

[somber wren]

He might be

DoG strikes me as powerful in the context of the world, but still weaker than most of the Major players in the Endgame.

Being a godkiller more by striking them when they're already weak or vulnerable rather than fighting them at full strength.

Where Thanatos seems more like it was constructed to actively engage powerful opponents at their best and beat them anyways.

[keen hull]

"I forged its armor using a process inspired by how Silva created Braelor's axe: by using particle jets to slowly and carefully fuse many elements together into a nanocomposite, the invincible armor organically "grows" over Thanatos' structure like a chrysalis. Regrettably, the plating's immense weight makes Thanatos notably slower than its siblings."
-Dreadon via codebreaker communication: The Exo Mechanical Trio

Changing Thanatos plating to Auric might downgrade his defense due to current one being called "invincible armor" But if he still keep his current propulsion, he might go lightspeed

[somber wren]

Imagine if its biggest struggle at that point was overshooting its target and accidentally going off into space

[keen hull]

Also, to properly harness power of auric ore, one must have consume or attune to auric soul. We manage to partly unlock it by using Yharon soul fragment. But not in the same level as Yharim whose soul attuned to yharon.

Draedon doesn't have access to this plus he abandon all soul-related reseach after original mech trio were created.

[young socket]

gods dont have access to auric

[long bloom]

why not

[keen hull]

Imagine fighting him then he YEET himself 👀

[young socket]

because if they did they wouldnt be outlawing it and instead would be using it

[keen hull]

So, only us and Yharim manage to do so?

[young socket]

yes

yharon too

draedon has worked with it, but it is unknown how he did so

[somber wren]

You need a Draconic Attunement to keep the metal from throwing you across the room

The Terrarian achieves this by forming a Mock attunement using pencil shavings from Yharon's soul

Yharim is actually attuned to an Auric Dragon.

[keen hull]

I mean, he's "AURIC" dragon .w.

[long bloom]

isn't xeroc's mask auric though

[somber wren]

maybe since he doesn't have a soul Auric can't reject him?

[long bloom]

cei confirmed it a while ago

[long bloom]

no it can

[young socket]

the one on their pre ascenscion design? yea it is

[keen hull]

I guess he still can't access its power

[somber wren]

It's actually crazy to think that the Terrarian can't even use the full extent of it.

If I remember correctly, because they don't have a True Attunement, the metal still actively works against them rather than helping them, so they only have a fraction of the benefit.

[long bloom]

no that's scrapped sadly

even though it would be cool

[young socket]

what?

do you have a source on that or

[long bloom]

dev statements

[young socket]

i asked for a source

[long bloom]

well no i don't just have the link to the exact message

[keen hull]

Yeah, that's why our future fight against the old man would be tough. Bro have better auric armor that also upgraded with exo technology

[young socket]

do you know who said it

[somber wren]

Yeah, makes me excited for the Exosuits that were talked about a while back.
Really stress test Draedon's designs in a fight for the ages.

That or still use Demonshade if you're a summoner, it's hard to argue with +145% damage and +10 minion slots.

[long bloom]

buh

@young socket

[young socket]

???

not being able to use auric rejection is indeed not using to its fullest extent

that doesnt prove anything

[long bloom]

it's

it's not working against the player though

yknow

the original point

[somber wren]

Infusing it with the soul fragments nullifies the Auric rejection

So the Auric Tesla armor is the full power of Auric for the player.

I think is what they're saying

[young socket]

the original point was that the terrarian cant use the full extent of auric. their reasoning was simply wrong

[long bloom]

i don't think you should speak for them

[young socket]

the top line was a point. the bottom one was reasoning. i am not speaking for anyone, i am just stating what someone else has said, and explaining what they have said

[buoyant solstice]

Are the pirates gonna be canon? A faction with an armada of flying ships is cool

[long bloom]

they already are

[keen hull]

Well, since Yharim's armor still have Auric-rejection. Imagine the contact damage 👀

Fight him without auric armor and then you got yeet 100m away if you touch him

[wanton pendant]

When Yharim offers you a handshake before the fight begins:

[scenic olive]

auric should be weightless

so hes gonna be fast as fuh

[scenic olive]

what if that what makes it tough, auric rejection will resist hits from anything by counteractin the force of the attack

[keen hull]

Yeah, cuz it float 👀

[wanton pendant]

Yharon's soul adds weight due to his sins.

[keen hull]

Imagine draedon trying to prevent auric plating from frying the internal component

He can't use Yharim's method. Even if we gave him some of Yharon soul fragment, that version of auric lost the rejection trait

[keen hull]

Nah, the auric bar (already infused with his soul) still float

[wanton pendant]

Yharon ignores the guilt, his mania knowing no bounds.

Also, those bars only have a part of his soul, so only a part of his sins.

[scenic olive]

I wonder if exo plating can withstand it

or if he can manage to channel auric rejection to generate extra energy

[keen hull]

Give him time 👀

[robust osprey]

rip true melee

[keen hull]

Yet Yharim is melee himself, he gonna charge toward us a lot

[scenic olive]

Say stop, yharim cant charge you with no consent

[keen hull]

I wonder if we gain any power throughout the playthough beside obtaining equipments and in-game character upgrade

Imagine a random guy suddenly show up, chopping wood and fleeing from random slime, few month later we just slaughter couple gods

Also, canonically accurate player character is hardcore so in the actual lore we can't respawn and never die until now.

[fierce pagoda]

I remember it was something like this: Terrarians Auric and Yharims Auric are exactly the same, expect for two things. 1. Yharim gets to keep auric rejection on his armor, and 2. His armor has been upgraded with exo technology

[long bloom]

yes that's exactly what was said in the message i linked

[fierce pagoda]

oh you found the message

Well done!

Well done steak

Since the terrarian can touch raw auric when wearing auric armor

they shouldn't be rejected by Yharims auric armor as long as they're wearing auric armor themselves

if you're wearing exo armor then its byebye

[stoic gulch]

Idk if I should ask this here but how much pressure would there be at the bottom of the abyss?

Considering terraria’s change in gravity and

Water

[fierce pagoda]

uhm uhh hummm, at least 4000

[fleet wedge]

I mean, exo/demonshade armor should still severely weaken the rejection

In the damage department at least

[fleet wedge]

4000 psi?

[fierce pagoda]

No i was jsut being stupid and silly

[wanton pendant]

Enough to kill you, I'd say.

[fierce pagoda]

at the bottom of the mariana trench is 15,750 psi

if we assume the abyss is even deeper than the mariana trench

then its probably more than that

[fleet wedge]

I mean, what layer of the Earth's crust do we consider the underworld as?

[stoic gulch]

Probably upper manyle

Mantle

Or like

[wanton pendant]

A large world's apparently like 4.6 thousand feet.

[stoic gulch]

At the bottom of the crust

[wanton pendant]

Probably not quite that deep, since you would be dead long before then.

Of course, world sizes are likely not canon.

[split mortar]

Why?

[wanton pendant]

Do you have any idea how hot it gets that deep?

[split mortar]

Do you have any idea how hot the crags is?

[split mortar]

The fucking irl suns surface

Is how hot the lava there is

[wheat walrus]

yea azafurian magma is

the comparison isn't even the sun's surface though

it's a mantis shrimp's fist, which is often compared to the sun's surface but is on the very lower end of it

(it's also instant, but i assume that's accounted for since the entry talks about it reaching the temperatures of azafure's magma during the attack)

i also don't think it would affect the crags as much as some people think it would

[wanton pendant]

I mean, granted, you can't get close to magma in real life, because it's that hot.

[split mortar]

In calamity you can walk into it and survive

[wheat walrus]

it would still be very hostile, far more than places in real life

but bringing up the sun as a first comparison as if those were the living conditions is kinda

e

[wanton pendant]

And it's probably like at least a little magic, that magma.

[wheat walrus]

I would also assume that azafurians are adapted to resist to this stuff, and possibly that humans in terraria as a whole would be more resilient than real life humans, even if not by much

[wanton pendant]

The comic book solution I see.

[wheat walrus]

the terrarian is exceptional, but if your lore is for them to be a human who just trained to such heights, then it's only proving that humans in terraria just have more potential, so I'd assume a better baseline strength

[wheat walrus]

it's not that hard to make such an assumption for most fictional settings that aren't happening in the real world

it's usually a very safe assumption, especially if the human characters actually shown doing not-so-human things in the way of being powerful, that either humans are stronger by default than in real life, or get much more of a benefit from training and/or eating, or both

[wanton pendant]

Nah, obviously Calamity is a grounded and realistic story. I fist fought the god of petrichor last week, he owed me money.

[tropic oak]

the fuck did the rain do to you?

[wanton pendant]

Owe me money?

[wheat walrus]

if i hear "grounded and realistic" one more time

[wanton pendant]

Is that Goku?

[wheat walrus]

that's sukuna

[wanton pendant]

I'm not falling for that.

[wheat walrus]

💔

anyways i lwk have ptsd from monster hunter fans using the "grounded and realistic" shit to complain everytime a monster that's meant to be cool and do cool things is cool and does cool things

i might be disturbed 🥀

[wanton pendant]

It's a game about hunting monsters why on earth would you be there for realism?

[wheat walrus]

aight that's the thing

monster hunter is very well known for cool creature design, more often than not, design choices aren't just for the sake of it, they actually have ecological explanations that are often times inspired/exaggerated from real life phenomenons

[wanton pendant]

Do they have a guy who discusses how to cook and eat all the monsters?

[wheat walrus]

so, their designs, behaviors and other stuff are kinda like very cool strong animals

[wheat walrus]

well

not every monster but often times we know of monsters that can be eaten and cooked

[split mortar]

Can i eat alatreon

[wheat walrus]

recent example since Lagiacrus came into Wilds, its tail is a popular dish at Moga

[wheat walrus]

hell naw

elder dragons r prolly the only ones that aren't edible

and Alatreon?

when we break its horns, its flesh is a weird glowing crystal-looking structures that glows in whichever element it's using

[wanton pendant]

I stand by the notion that every game would be improved with Louie's notes. This includes Undertale.

[split mortar]

Right so rock candy or whatev but flesh

[wheat walrus]

assuming you don't completely shatter your teeth, you'd prolly die of some intense radiation poisoning or too much energy

prolly not actual radiation poisoning, but it's such an energetic monster that it may as well do that

[wheat walrus]

more like tungsten

[wanton pendant]

We're not bringing up tungsten again.

[wheat walrus]

the immediate effect of Alatreon preparing to unleash a fire eschaton judgement is the ground instantly glowing in a molten-like state

and to Alatreon, eschaton judgement is an automatic release of energy it has to do regularly

[pliant ruin]

hi guys

my name is grounded and realistic

[split mortar]

Killing you

[wanton pendant]

Hello grounded and realistic. Is that a Welsh name?

[wheat walrus]

so tungsten probably isn't cutting it even

[pliant ruin]

yes

[wheat walrus]

you're done cheese

[pliant ruin]

well i actually literally have a welsh name as one of my two names

so

[wheat walrus]

One cannot allow themselves to live under the same heavens as their opps

[wanton pendant]

Gif of the guy from that anime looking at the other guy 'cause he found him out.

[wheat walrus]

goodbye cheese

[split mortar]

I cast the french killing spell

[pliant ruin]

i cast the melon gun killing spell that kills melon gun specifically

[dusk laurel]

i support this

[wheat walrus]

I cast Raviente under your house again cheese

[pliant ruin]

damn...

[wheat walrus]

Melon Gun has to be kept living for the time being

he's a threat but he's to be kept alive for now

[pliant ruin]

Oui oui escargot

[tropic oak]

what are the implications of uncle grandpa being added to the calamity lore

[wanton pendant]

Good morning.

I don't know, he'd be nice to Calamitas or something I never watched that show.

[mighty zenith]

yharim is FUCKED

[tropic oak]

boy, glad I wasn’t that guy!

[fleet wedge]

Like, Louie from Pikmin?

[fleet wedge]

Dammit I know what gif you're talking about but I have no idea how to find it

[wanton pendant]

Yes exactly you get it.

[fleet wedge]

It's the one where a Dragon Ball character looks scared then we switch perspective and see an absolutely furious Goku

[inland quest]

So who killed Silva and why

I forgor

[young socket]

yharim for being a goddess

[inland quest]

Dang

How do you kill the goddess of life?

[young socket]

if she were a normal god, shed be able to die like every other one. however because shes an elemental, shes immortal

[wanton pendant]

Also, this is at least the second time for her.

[split mortar]

Funnily the goddess of life part does not make her immortal the elemental part does

[young socket]

tupid,,

i said that,,,

[split mortar]

I werent informing them like you were

[wanton pendant]

That's what I'm saying!

[ivory vigil]

Lore moment

[wanton pendant]

No not that one I've no idea what that one is.

[valid tapir]

Guys

[wanton pendant]

What!?!?!?

[split mortar]

Whaur

[scenic olive]

how tf does brimstone crags become hotter than underworld

[wanton pendant]

My assumption would be the whole Brimstone Elemental VS Calamitas fight had side effects to the environment.

[robust osprey]

brimstone is already hotter than lava iirc

and well

[fierce pagoda]

Brimstone binding of Isaac

[limpid saddle]

The Gohan & Perfect Cell gif?

[wanton pendant]

No, I've no idea what that even is.

[limpid saddle]

its signifigantly funnier with audio but here it is

[wanton pendant]

Oh that one, yeah not what I was going for.

[stoic gulch]

Is it bad I know the exact audio

[wanton pendant]

I don't know, is there a lore explanation?

[limpid saddle]

not really

[limpid saddle]

cell got revived & killed pan & videl & gohan tweaks the fuck out about it before beating him to death

part of a db fan animation thing i believe

[wanton pendant]

I don't know any of those people.

[stoic gulch]

Ya

[stoic gulch]

What the FUCK

GO WATCH DRAGONBALL

I’m unbiased

[limpid saddle]

also is your pfp fem gogeta

[stoic gulch]

As you can see

But

STIL

[stoic gulch]

yes

[limpid saddle]

huh

[wanton pendant]

Can't I'm watching Cat in the Hat.

[limpid saddle]

neat

[mighty zenith]

nobody wants gohan to suffer more than gohan fans

[limpid saddle]

he needs to relive his trauma to be able to be powerscaled to the strongest in the verse

it worked with Beast Gohan surely it will work again

[wanton pendant]

When does he fight Buddha?

[split mortar]

Xeroc tax

[glacial rampart]

so insanelly based

[crisp wraith]

So I figured I would make a hypothetical lore item for my characters/races lore item for well me and my friends characters

The Dragonkin and Crystal Dragonfolk

Back the glory days of the Auric dragons, a large population of Lihzards decided served the dragons fervously without question and showed unwavering loyalty to them, in return while not giving them attunement or fragments of their souls, the dragons shared their draconic energies with the large group of Lihzards loyal servants and granted them powers based on them and in turn a form of draconic heritage, however during the Moon Lord's invasion, many of the dragonfolk died trying to fend of off the celetsial invasion, Zeratross eventually gave the notion to the dragonfolk to evacuate and save as many of themselves as possible, however when many dragonfolk realized that Zeratross's auric soul was consumed, whether intentional or not, the downfall of the Draconic era began. With the persecution of dragons in place, the dragonkin decided to recluse themselves to avoid any form of persecution as they had connection with dragons of old. After millenia, very small populations of dragonkin were still present, coming in many forms, while I may not encountered any of them during my Godseeking crusade, you are the exception to the case, proving that the rumours had some truth to them, if you want to take action as your draconic relatives, wether Auric or not, naught awaits them in this cruel world, its up to you (Refering to the player if they are dragonkin or Crystal Dragonfolk) to take the steps of your forebearers to protect terraria and maybe challenge me one day to end this cruel tale.

(Feel free to make any constructive critisism, I know probably im missing a couple of info bits here and there but this is mostly to give some sort of story sense of how my dragonkin/dragonfolk character's race came into existence so there is a few things that might be not flushed out in terms of sense! ^^;)

[spring plover]

is Silas gonna be added as an NPC?

[pliant ruin]

Silas?

Do you mean Statis

because if so yes, eventually

[split mortar]

No silva wont
Statis and braelor will be

[pliant ruin]

a wandering NPC which will have his own questline

and if you mean Silva as melon said no she's like dead

Technically not truly dead as she's immortal and will come back eventually but currently dead

[split mortar]

Functionally dead for the foreseeable future

[pliant ruin]

Would be cute if she's able to come back before Statis and Braelor die of old age or something
Wholesome post-yharim calamity fanfiction about Statis and Braelor being in their like 40-50s and then Silva finally comes back and they reunite

[glacial rampart]

i want what they have fr

[pliant ruin]

yaoi couple and their awesome divine mom

[spring helm]

Evil and intimidating Yharon

[split mortar]

Yharon just eats their food and runs off

[glacial rampart]

yaoi couple and the most jaw-droppingly beautiful tree

[pliant ruin]

silva such a cutie...

[spring helm]

Not if I have anything to say about it

And I do!

[young socket]

ok yharim

[spring helm]

Auric rejects Silva with mind

The narrator has been telling us the gods are evil guys

Come on

[hoary cape]

Silva shows up to see that yharim is finally dead and that she is one of the only remaining gods left

How far into yharim's campaign did she get chucked into the abyss?

[crisp wraith]

Well there it is, literally brainstormed that lore description of my dragon raced individuals to potentially fit the story, literally it came to my mind at 3 am lmaoo

[spring helm]

Never strictly said, but likely late into the Crusade considering Braelor’s age

[hoary cape]

Ah so she wouldn't be surprised to see that most of the gods are dead as she already knew they were

When she does come back

[upbeat quartz]

if I ate every brimstone heart ever would I just become a sepulcher

[pliant ruin]

Yeah p sure by the time silva gets abyss'ed she was already one of the last standing ones

Pretty sure that out of all the named gods we meet the only ones we can 100% confirm will be alive after we kill Yharim and onward are Xeroc and Silva

Not to say those are all the surviving ones, i'm sure there might be a few others we just never meet, but yeah

[pliant ruin]

MR BREASTTTTTT

GIVE ME MONEYYYYYYY

[upbeat quartz]

MR BREAST?!? 😭

[cosmic zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/frieren-frieren-beyond-journey's-end-sousou-no-frieren-anime-menacing-gif-14669549200295475965

[pliant ruin]

dw guys mr breast is gone

they killed him

[long bloom]

yippee

[real silo]

If evil why pretty?

Checkmate yhariberals

[proven rivet]

Yharim died

Hello world

[wanton pendant]

My main criticism would be proofreading, but it can't be helped if you're writing it all at 3am.

[crisp wraith]

Yeah tbh, I was just transcribing, what I came up with at 3 am lmao

[plucky juniper]

I think people should learn to accept that beauty is generally a worthless way of determining if one is a good or bad person

[long bloom]

-4

[plucky juniper]

That is the amount of protons Xzier will lose per atom

[pliant ruin]

Ok but counterargument if woman evil why pretty

???

[glacial rampart]

truth omegabeam

[plucky juniper]

Again, I think people should learn to accept that beauty is generally a worthless way of determining if one is a good or bad person

[long bloom]

-40

[pliant ruin]

ok but if woman evil why pretty

????????????????

[plucky juniper]

Beauty has no effect on good or evil

[long bloom]

counterpoint: ur dumb

[glacial rampart]

the bird in ur pfp has beauty but could be evil

yet you represent its image

[plucky juniper]

It’s a seal.

[glacial rampart]

screaming bird

oh

so it is

the demon of babylon disguises himself with the coat of the righteous.

[plucky juniper]

I never attempted to disguise myself, you brought the ruin of babylon upon yourself.

[pliant ruin]

this guy probably thinks 1 of every pokemon can beat a billion lions

🙄

[glacial rampart]

they fucking could

[pliant ruin]

its alot of lions

people be asying like oh arceus is literally god it can just destroy all of the lions well ok man

counteargument

lion atheism

[plucky juniper]

I don’t think either could beat xeroc, since apparently he’s effectively untouchable

[pliant ruin]

ohhh kyogre can flod the entire world

well guess what

lion boat

[glacial rampart]

how are lions supposed to beat magcargo its just made of lava

lowk

[pliant ruin]

uhhhh you se

lion dead cold of space

gg

[plucky juniper]

I don’t think atheism affects arceus.

[pliant ruin]

hes pokemon god if hteres lion atheism they just dont believe in him

its just that simple

[glacial rampart]

cheese i dont believe inn gloombfuork hes not real

[pliant ruin]

yeah he is

my uncle works on calamity he told me

[plucky juniper]

well in that case I do not believe in all of you people’s existence

purely because no sensible human could have literal negative iq like the bunch of you

[pliant ruin]

dunning kruger syndrome

[real silo]

Imagine measuring intelligence using iq

Real ones measure intelligence by how many guesses it takes to beat wordle

[dusk laurel]

truth nuke

[real silo]

You needed 6 guesses? Too bad you're Stupid go Climb a tree with your findly fins

[dawn swift]

i did todays wordle in five!

[real silo]

Promoted to ant trying to solve calculus

What's the lore behind calamity mod in malaysia

[odd magnet]

hammer

[stark basalt]

this might be a stupid question to ask but was there ever a lore reason given as to why killing ML starts making the world harder again (Prov, Polter, evil 2 start getting agitated; exodium cluster plantoids start spawning; etc.)

[long bloom]

because it's a significantly world changing event so everyone noticed

[stark basalt]

yeah thats probably fair albeit lackluster

like I can see that for Prov (sees you as biggest threat) but evil 2 and polter of all things to be provoked from its death I dont get still (I forgot Storm Weaver might be planned to be post ML but its probably same reason as Prov)

also exodium cluster plantoids

like it made sense for WoF cause its basically pandora's box to open up the hallow more evil whatnot but ML... eh

[long bloom]

i'm pretty sure evil2 is gonna be more of a difficulty lock than a progression lock

[stark basalt]

wdym- oh wait you mean like AS in pre-HM okok

[pliant ruin]

Polter notices the shit ton of divine essence on you after you've killed atleast Providence (and reasonably, in most playthroughs Slime God and Evil2 too) and gets angy because yknow. YHarim

And to be fair Exodium probably is directly tied to ml in some way though i have no idea how, we barely have any lore on it

but its fair to assume as much given it's clearly meant to be the equivalent to the pillars but for rogue and its like a alien-y looking gmaterial

[stark basalt]

you can fight Polter pre Prov though

can you not?

[pliant ruin]

Dunno but it's definitely not the Intended progression

[stark basalt]

yeah I'm pretty sure you could dungeon enemies start spawning the little pink guys after ML kill 30 of them and polter spawns

evil 2 (and maybe SG idk) I think it'll be explained after SSO drops though

[pliant ruin]

I'm not considering ingame gameplay mechanics too much cosnidering calamity is basically being entirely reworked atp anyways

Dunno what's being kept and what isn't

[stark basalt]

fair enough I was about to also ask about the early HM overhaul lore reason of why the HM ores only start spawning after killing mechs but realise this may just be more of a gameplay change from fabsol than anything

[long bloom]

you can fight polter immediately post moonlord but you shouldn't

[stark basalt]

I mean there should still be some explaination as to why he's available this early still

[visual kiln]

p

[upbeat quartz]

you’re so right :o

[visual kiln]

p

hello chat

[upbeat quartz]

hi! :3

[alpine jetty]

hi

[long bloom]

awawa

[upbeat quartz]

hi!

[upbeat quartz]

wawawa!

[fleet wedge]

Not the new movie I hope?

[fleet wedge]

wawawawa

[cloud ibex]

I think people should learn to accept that iq tests are worthless

[long bloom]

+2

[real silo]

+2

[wanton pendant]

No, the insane old one.

[wanton pendant]

Killing Moon Lord (Who, at his peak was like the second most powerful being known to exist) marks you as extremely powerful. Polterghast can sense this power and assumes you are either Yharim or at least Yharim aligned, and Polterghast hates Yharim and attacks.

[stark basalt]

aight

[wanton pendant]

Or I guess it could be like Calamitas, it recognises you are strong and is hell bent on preventing Yharim 2.

[wanton pendant]

If you want any more help with your writing, I'm willing to offer my assistance.

[pliant ruin]

Tbf given it's uh. Mental State of being like 295295 people who are Very Dead and Very Angry i'd imagine it leans more into it just throwing a berserker rage at someone who it senses is similar to yharim, or maybe even just assumes is yharim himself

[young socket]

all ore spawns are canon

[wanton pendant]

Yeah, that's what I was thinking, was just throwing out an insane alternative just in case.

[fierce pagoda]

What if Yharim 3 happens

[young socket]

this implies an existence of yharim 2

[fierce pagoda]

look behind you

[unreal flicker]

our terraria character is a aura farmer and a ragebaiter frfr

[fierce pagoda]

Is there a correlation between ore and souls

[wanton pendant]

Calamitas if she was locked in the time chamber and betrayed.

[young socket]

my theory on hardmode ores is that when yharim says the mechs are made of divine metals, it isnt referring to just the hallowed, but also orichalcum, mythril, adamantite and titanium. this would explain why the mechs spread it and also why wof spreads cobalt and palladium

[wanton pendant]

I think you replied to the wrong message.

[young socket]

yea

meant to reply to my own

[wanton pendant]

Execution, sorry.

[split mortar]

You will gain kiriwhites fate

[stark basalt]

random ass spirit mysteriously change the chemical structure of some rocks to make the HM ores after you beat the mechs for some reason 👻

[wanton pendant]

Nah, it was always like that, just hidden due to soul magic or something because uh.....

[split mortar]

I wouldnt consider dense god essence random spirits

[fierce pagoda]

I thought the spirits was like Yharim soldiers

[stark basalt]

idk I forgotten the lore of the normal mechs aside from being war machines do the souls of might/sight/fright change the stones to ores or smth

[wanton pendant]

Mech bosses are just soldiers pureed into soul juice put into the transformers.

Like FNAF.

[long bloom]

source?

[young socket]

#calamity-mod-talk message

[long bloom]

wack

[wanton pendant]

Yharim ate all the auric tesla so we couldn't have any.

[fierce pagoda]

greedy

[pliant ruin]

The souls themselves are from just soldiers of yharim's army

(Which yes, by proxy, makes the Mech Bosses technically the first bosses that are actually associated with Yharim/The Yharmy you fight. Kinda funny to think about lol)

[wanton pendant]

Yeah, soul puree.

At least it was consensual.

But probably hurt like hell.

[pliant ruin]

Yeah it wasn't like forcing them into the mechs they literally agreed to it

Undying loyalty and all

[fierce pagoda]

Fnaf

[wanton pendant]

Too late I already said that.

[pliant ruin]

fazbr

[fierce pagoda]

but the metal the mechs are made of

thats divine metal?

[split mortar]

Freddy five nights vs one mech boss

[fierce pagoda]

like god essence thats hardened into metal

[wanton pendant]

But he didn't get Permafrost to sign her permission slip to go to war, how the mighty have fallen.

[split mortar]

Hallowed is divine maybe the other metals could be

[wanton pendant]

It's literally called Hallowed.

[fierce pagoda]

Hallowed ore is godly essence that has been hardened into metal, or is it something else

maybe condensed would be a better word

[wanton pendant]

Yharim beats gods into ingots, just to be a jerk.

[pliant ruin]

I imagine it's a similar situation to Sea Prisms or anything else - Divine essence that's been infused into otherwise mundane beings or materials, changing them

[wanton pendant]

Sea Prisms are divine? I must have missed that.

[young socket]

yea

[long bloom]

they generate infinite electricity from being enchanted by otonilou

[wanton pendant]

Otonilou hates thermodynamics.

[fierce pagoda]

Perpetual motion machine wooaaaahhh

[tribal oyster]

Why is yharim portrayed as evil and a tyrant? I know he wanted to kill all of the gods but he only did this because of the ways that they got their power which was gruesome so yharims crusade seems justified.

[cloud ibex]

think of it this way

what if some of the dragons were evil

what if the person who killed said dragon used the power they gained for good

would Yharim still be justified in brutally murdering them and all of their worshippers

the dude had an entire divison of soldiers dedicated to torching civilians i wouldn't take his word as a moral absolute

[robust osprey]

there was benevolent gods too

otinilou, tyirian, agnus

[gritty kraken]

silva

[robust osprey]

the whole hallowed biome is made of good gods essence, opposing to the evil biomes' evil gods essences

silva too

[gritty kraken]

tyrian is 2 steps away from being called a tyrant rn

[tribal oyster]

Does it mention most of that in the game? I never knew that he would torch and murder people who disagreed

[gritty kraken]

Skeletron prime maybe

[cloud ibex]

the war crime division that became the warcrimeinator 3000

[tribal oyster]

Did he know about the good gods and did he just not care either way?

[robust osprey]

yes

[cloud ibex]

yes

[robust osprey]

that is why he doesnt mention shit about the hallowed biome

he doesnt want you to know those were benevolent gods

[cloud ibex]

yharim's problem is that he sees it as black and white

all gods are Bad and all dragons are Good

[gritty kraken]

and then there’s Providence

[cloud ibex]

when in reality it was way more nuanced, as things often are

[gritty kraken]

bad dragon and somehow a worse god

[tribal oyster]

And this happened long before we play the game right?

[robust osprey]

the crusade started like 100 years ago or so

[pliant ruin]

Hi its me jane calamity

anyways

[wanton pendant]

Yharim is exceedingly biased, and while he may not overtly lie to you (and that's giving him the benefit of the doubt), he will mislead and omit information to portray himself as a noble hero who simply made a few mistakes. Like, if you take his word for it, Calamitas was someone he disrespected, when it's indicated that he groomed her into a weapon. That is disrespectful to be sure, but only regarding it as such is inherently dishonest. Yharim believes his crusade was justified, but that he made some mistakes in HOW he did it. If he could go back, he'd do it again, just differently, like not recruiting the devourers and such.

[pliant ruin]

As others have said, Yharim's problem is that he is incredibly ignorant and far too engrossed in his own, completely black-and-white ideology to see the errors of his ways. He refuses to see any alternative opinions or ideas and it causes him to be an absolute delusional maniac

For everytime you think Yharim is a good person in the slightest, remember that he manipulated a 12 year old who had lost all of her family overnight into being a child soldier for him and then used said child soldier ot incinerate a entire kingdom, killing thousands of civilians and innocents, causing the extinction of multiple native species and destroying not only a rich ecosystem but the culture nad history of the people within said kingdom, all because there were two gods in this kingdom he wanted to kill.

And atleast one of these gods was explicitly a incredibly benevolent soul that stopped a long-lasting civil war through diplomacy and who was beloved by her people.

[wanton pendant]

Hey, she was at least thirteen, which makes it all better.

[pliant ruin]

The only person who tells you the crusade was justified is Yharim. The one who did it. Nobody else agrees.

-# Well, i guess Yharon does, but uh. Not much "telling" you there given you know Fucking Dragon And All. Can't really. Speak to you

[wanton pendant]

Well, his followers might, but we never heard from them. And we can't speak Yharon's language, and he was probably at least a little pro-genocide.

'Hey Skeletron Prime, what do you think about genocide?'

[pliant ruin]

METAL SLICING SOUNDS SCREOOONK CHAINSAW REVING

haha. yeah.

[wanton pendant]

Like, as far as I can tell, Yharim does not explicitly lie (as in, state something that isn't true and he knows it), he is either ignorant to the matter (Storm Weaver), misleads while not 'technically' lying (Calamitas) or refuses to comment (Hallow), so he can still claim to not be a liar, like a hero should be, while still being disingenuous. It's also possible there are things where Yharim is wilfully ignorant to, to maintain deniability.

[fierce pagoda]

did he lie about uhm sending Calamitas to kill permafrost

i think

[wanton pendant]

No?

He admits to that I think.

He didn't even know she faked it.

[fierce pagoda]

oh no he just refrains from mentioning it

he says he thought permaboy was murked my scal

but doesnt mention he was the one who ordered it

I'd just say that Yharim lies by omission

[tribal oyster]

And his crusade crumbled because of the DoG right?

[wanton pendant]

He considers the moment he even considered recruiting DoG to be when things began to go downhill.

Yeah, he lies by omission, not by conventional lying.

[pliant ruin]

Not really

[wanton pendant]

Like, he doesn't go 'Calamitas has blue skin and uses water magic' or the like.

[split mortar]

More so the mass murder and grooming children pushing people vital to the crusade away
And kicking draedon out for fusing nukes and bees non consensually

[pliant ruin]

Depends on what you mean by "crumbled" here
If you mean morally failing? Nah, it was already morally abhorrent from the getgo
If you mean failing as in just, literally, failing to kill all gods? Only very partially

[fierce pagoda]

Yharim would have lowkey never succeeded though

[split mortar]

Yharim still caused like 90%+ of gods to just be dead

[fierce pagoda]

cuz Xeroc is just too fresh

[split mortar]

Xeroc

[wanton pendant]

From Yharim's point of view, that's the decline. From other perspectives, it can be any number of actions.

[split mortar]

The unrivalled power of the fucking sun

[fierce pagoda]

Ze rock

[pliant ruin]

Devourer likely coerced Yharim into completely focusing on his mission of killing gods, which led to him taking his allies for granted and not showing them support, which led to many of them such as the Dragon Cult breaking ties with him

[fierce pagoda]

Lets go DoG

[pliant ruin]

One thing to note

[wanton pendant]

Yharim probably believes that DoG is what filled him with le bad ideas and thus everything bad he did is his fault, even when he had nothing to do with it.

[fierce pagoda]

Yharim is such a goofball

[wanton pendant]

Easy to blame your failings on someone else.

Ignore that he finds senseless violence fun.

[fierce pagoda]

I actually kinda get him on that

That's why im playing calamity, to kill awesome bosses and senseless violence

[split mortar]

Yharim only caused half the worlds population to just not exist anymore

[fierce pagoda]

upgrade loot, fight stronger bosses

[wanton pendant]

Someone's a fan of Thanos.

[pliant ruin]

I fully believe Yharim is telling what he think is the truth when he say the Devourer manipulated him and made him fall from grace.
The problem is that once again, Yharim is genuinely delusional. He does not see the crusade itself as a bad thing and he dosen't see his genocidal mission for how incredibly cruel and malicious it is, either.
In Yharim's eyes his crusade fell apart because DoG caused him to not show the support he needed to show to his allies, causing them to abandon him. And from that perspective, yes, DoG ruined the crusade.
But once you look at it from a external point of view, as, you know, Not Yharim, someone who's not completely biased and delusional

You realize it was bad from the start

I've seen people say Yharim is intentionally shifting the blame

But i don't think that's the case

For him to intentionally shift the blame onto devourer, he'd have to acnowledge that the Crusade itself was a bad thing, and that his mission was just tyrannical genocide.

[wanton pendant]

Also, a reason for Yharim not overtly lying is because DoG is supposed to be a liar, and Yharim sees himself as above him.

[pliant ruin]

Which he very much dosen't, one of his biggest traits as a character is how compltely engrossed in his own ideology he is to the point he genuinely thinks the Crusade was a heroic, noble mission

[wanton pendant]

And the child grooming was a misstep, wouldn't do that next time. But if he could, there would be a next time.

[fierce pagoda]

This lowkey hypes me up to finally kill Yharim

when he uhm gets added

[pliant ruin]

Yeah no exactly

[wanton pendant]

2045 (it got pushed up five years)

[pliant ruin]

Me manipulating calamitas to kill thousands was bad. Sorry. I'll make sure to not do that next time when i kill thousands

[fierce pagoda]

that's it im inventing a time machine

[pliant ruin]

That's literally the entire Problem with Yharim described in one phrase

[wanton pendant]

Yeah that's what I've been thinking, he thinks the greater cause was good, he just did it the wrong way.

[pliant ruin]

He regrets things, he has guilt, he understands some of his actions are bad
But all of it falls apart because of his single delusion which he's way too deep into to ever acnowledge as being his ACTUAL biggest problem, the fact he thinks the crusade was good to begin with

[wanton pendant]

If he could go back, he'd do it differently, but he would do it again.

[pliant ruin]

YES EXACTLY

he'd still do the Genocide he'd just do the Genocide differently

[split mortar]

He knows what mistakes to avoid this time

[wanton pendant]

To better present as a hero.

[fierce pagoda]

What if Yharim could respawn

[wanton pendant]

That would be bad.

[cloud ibex]

if i could go back, i would make the exact same mistakes, but better this time

[wanton pendant]

The thing is, he thinks the crusade was the one mistake that wasn't a mistake.

[fierce pagoda]

wasnt the crusade good until he started killiing good gods

thats why permafrost even joined him, cuz he was murking bad guys

[wanton pendant]

Like, he wouldn't have recruited DoG, or groom Calamitas, or betray his allies. But the genocide? He'd do it again in a heartbeat.

[cloud ibex]

no because killing the good gods was always part of the plan

[balmy glacier]

good or bad gods he would kill every single one in his path

[fierce pagoda]

no that's true, but the uhm crusades impact was positive

until the good guys started dyin

[pliant ruin]

It seemed like a good thing at first

[fierce pagoda]

Jesse from breaking bad omg

[wanton pendant]

Permafrost probably thought the gods were tyrannical too, like most who fought for Yharim. The rest wanted to murder people.

[icy veldt]

Not counting the fact that he left the evil biomes to fester

[wanton pendant]

Back to Skeletron Prime, baby.

[pliant ruin]

Yharim likely started with the Really Evil Bad gods as a way to gain more following
And in his mind, showing how evil these gods were would likely be a way to convince others of his genuine belief that Gods are bad as a whole

[visual kiln]

meow

[fierce pagoda]

heh, good thing I always 100% purify the world in my playthroughs

[pliant ruin]

And yeah, Permafrost joined him during this time

[balmy glacier]

p

[wanton pendant]

Making it easy to recruit even a pacifist like Permafrost.

[pliant ruin]

nya :3

[icy veldt]

And he sealed away the Hallow so no one would see it and start to doubt

[pliant ruin]

I think in Yharim's mind

[visual kiln]

p

[fierce pagoda]

were humans sacrificed in making the wall of flesh

[pliant ruin]

He'd see something like the Hallow and rather than going "damnit nobody can know the gods are good, i'll seal it away"

It was more of a

[balmy glacier]

nope

[pliant ruin]

"Damnit, this will give people the wrong idea, i'll seal it away, i can't let them be tricked"

[icy veldt]

^

[cloud ibex]

sounds about right

[icy veldt]

Yharim's lies tricked even himself

[visual kiln]

he thinks the hallow is deceiving u

[pliant ruin]

Yesss exactly

[wanton pendant]

And he won't comment on it since any justification would look bad, and he doesn't want to actually lie.

[fierce pagoda]

Wow Yharim is so confident and unwavering in his beliefs

its kinda inspiring

[pliant ruin]

Yharim is genuinely fucking delulu which is something some people when discussing him, even while acnowledging that he's really fucking evil

[wanton pendant]

'Yes these unicorns and rainbows are proof they were evil!'

[mighty zenith]

better to not bring it any attention and make it seem irrelevant rather than try to justify it with a poorly made lie

[icy veldt]

Wait lemme rephrase what I said: Yharim is the first person to be deceived by the lies that he spreads

[tropic oak]

lore

[fierce pagoda]

Now were loring

[cloud ibex]

that's why he has an army

[visual kiln]

wtf is delulu

[mighty zenith]

thank you johnathan "music" vcmm

[tropic oak]

you are welcome

[wanton pendant]

I mean this is more characterisation discussion.

[cloud ibex]

yharim is a character who maxed out his charisma and strength

[visual kiln]

that sounds like a slur

[tropic oak]

Virtuous Radiance 2 coming soon

[wanton pendant]

Delusional.

[visual kiln]

oh ok

[fierce pagoda]

the Yharpaganda is so strong,

[pliant ruin]

Yharim dosen't lie to get people on his side so he can also kill the good gods
Yharim, in his eyes, tries to use anything he can to convince people that the god are actaully evil, which is something he genuinely believeas
In Yharim's mind, he isn't the manipulator, the gods are, and he's just trying to preach the truth to the people

[fierce pagoda]

Yharim was good at his job yo

[mighty zenith]

long live the godseeker administration

[wanton pendant]

Which further justified him not 'really' lying (minus by omission)

(because the omitted part is just divine lies of course.)

[fierce pagoda]

He's just trying to lead you on the correct path

which is his footsteps

[wanton pendant]

Chara made him do it.

[fierce pagoda]

Cter

[pliant ruin]

TRUE

[mighty zenith]

how could chara do this?

[icy veldt]

What the hell, char* a[]?

[wanton pendant]

'Chara made me emotionally manipulate that teenager, I swear!'

[mighty zenith]

i heard this one before...

[visual kiln]

kris: soul made me do it

soul: chara made me do it

[fierce pagoda]

I love killing people in undertale

[split mortar]

How could kris snowgrave burglary

[visual kiln]

chara: gaster made me do it

gaster: dog made me do it