lore-discussion

[wanton pendant]

And the Goddess of Time will help us!

[dusk laurel]

there isnt

[spring helm]

That’s Don Quixote’s squire

[wanton pendant]

I dont remember Don Quixote being in Pikmin 2

[scenic olive]

Does Draedon ever attempted to build a mech to fight scal

[deft vessel]

the humble exo mechs:

[buoyant solstice]

Where does Martian Madness factor into the lore of Calamity? Other than just being aliens

[young socket]

their homeland is gone and resourceless

shockstorm shuttles bestiary and draedons low orbit study log from the space lab confirms these

[buoyant solstice]

Ooooh I see I see

“Sensing growing power on the planet, otherworldly beings send space-age technology to scan for advanced lifeforms”

I wonder if that means that they were involved in the crusades?

I know that bestiary lore contradicts calamity lore often but it could give some fascinating possibilities

[young socket]

they werent

next update, vanilla bestiary will be updated for calamitys lore btw

so anything contradictory from there will be removed, and replaced

[buoyant solstice]

Oh sick

Honestly excited for that

Empress of Light’s calamity lore change has always been fascinating to me

[young socket]

ye

its likely that eols whisper gets changed because currently it says very little aside from her using primordial light

[buoyant solstice]

I mean it does say things just very vaguely

Mainly that she leeches off the power of other gods

It says that it makes her obedient but to who? Providence?

[young socket]

it says nothing about other gods

[buoyant solstice]

Actually Xeroc probably

Aren’t they the god of primordial light?

[young socket]

the wording is specifically "an emissary for the powers beyond and forces of nature."

[young socket]

yes

[buoyant solstice]

so she’s probably subservient to Xeroc, although you’re right that there isn’t much there right now

[glacial rampart]

I dont know that shes necessarily serving him in any way

just that shes leeching power

[young socket]

i have an issue with the xeroc connection. they say nothing about it during the start of br, even tho they talk about dog, yharon and yharim

[buoyant solstice]

“Her penchant for leeching the strength of other great beings is uniquely deplorable.
It made her sickeningly obedient. Dependent, but willingly so as they enabled her to slake her base thirst.”

[glacial rampart]

also consider though

yharim does not know everything

he sure likes to act like he does

[buoyant solstice]

To be fair he probably wouldn’t say anything without reason

[glacial rampart]

but its entirely possible EoL is leeching power from Xeroc without their knowing of it

or like

yeah

idk

[buoyant solstice]

I suppose, but I don’t exactly know where Obedient would come from otherwise

[young socket]

its also entirely possible yharim is WRONG and STUPID and hes YHARIM

[wanton pendant]

Maybe she's like DoG, obeying because it benefits them for now.

[glacial rampart]

Yharim is completely wrong about the origin of Ravager

[hoary cape]

Well he is kinda wrong the cultists did try and bring Agnus back

[glacial rampart]

i mean yea

but like

[hoary cape]

It just didn't go well because necromancy never does

[glacial rampart]

really cant say for sure on EoL until SSO comes out

[hoary cape]

Yharim is omnipotent obviously he knows all

[wanton pendant]

Why didn't they use purification powder to revive the dead, are they stupid?

Or does it only work on tax collector because tax collectors don't have souls.

[buoyant solstice]

I’m still surprised Eol isn’t connected to Providence somehow

They’re summoned in the same biome

[hoary cape]

Won't last if the plans go through

[young socket]

this is getting killed eventually

[buoyant solstice]

Oh word?

[young socket]

it only existed due to old lore connections that no longer exist

[buoyant solstice]

Tbh I haven’t been in the calamity community in ages, but what’s changing?

[young socket]

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

a lot.

[dusk laurel]

mhm

[wanton pendant]

There was a huge rewrite ages ago.

[buoyant solstice]

About Providence and EoL specifically

[buoyant solstice]

No I was around at that time

[wanton pendant]

Oh ok.

[young socket]

literally most of calamity is going to get reworked

[hoary cape]

If the profaned biome becomes a thing that's where provi will be

[split mortar]

Theres a document with that answer

[buoyant solstice]

I know

[light linden]

just had a thought

what did chrysadians eat?

and how did they get water?

[somber wren]

Where's it at? I want to look through it

[split mortar]

The future content doc in spoiler contains all public changes that will happen to calamity

[long bloom]

the clouds duh

[light linden]

the things keeping them in the sky?

pretty sure that water would both be polluted and a horrible idea to try and access

[long bloom]

[split mortar]

How far does Gerson boom deltarune get in calamity

[long bloom]

solos yharim

easily

[random mulch]

solos xeroc

[wanton pendant]

He gives Calamitas free therapy.

[light linden]

@spare pier got time for a question?

[spare pier]

Deltarune Powerscaling 🥀

[spare pier]

Shoot

[light linden]

what is infected armor plating made of

ok actually I'm curious about the abyss, were the wyrms always there or did they just flee to there during the purges?

[spare pier]

Can't answer that

[light linden]

oh

sorry

[deft vessel]

💥🔫

[somber wren]

I would guess that the wyrms have been there for a damn long time for one to be considered "Primordial"

But as for an exact date, it's difficult to say.

[split mortar]

HEY

[deft vessel]

👋

[high lynx]

Is the bestiary a nonbiased narrator? And secondly what would they sound like

[young socket]

yes they are not biased

[split mortar]

Nonbiased and omniscient and never lying

[high lynx]

What would they sound like

[split mortar]

Uhhhh

That Text to speech reddit one

[mighty zenith]

tiktok tts

[long bloom]

animal crossing squeaks

[wanton pendant]

Except about Calamitas' military service.

[split mortar]

Funny way to put that

[wanton pendant]

That's a question, is being a child soldier counted as military service?

[split mortar]

@spare pier

[spare pier]

I have no idea

[split mortar]

💔

[spring helm]

No

That way Yharim didn’t have to pay calamitas or give benefits

[wanton pendant]

I mean, she is broke and homeless.

Unpaid child soldiers added to the 'for the greater good' list.

[split mortar]

-# being genuine i dont think yharim would avoid the benefits and paying her, doesnt seem to fit how he treats his soldiers idk

[faint totem]

She probably spent the money on dumb shit.

[alpine jetty]

the call of duty collection on steam

[wanton pendant]

Or she left it behind, I wouldn't take it with me on my way to pretend to kill my dad.

Not like she could use it, living in a cave.

I doubt she'd show her face around Yharim aligned territory for fear of him finding her, and anti-Yharim territory would probably run in fear if they knew who she was.

[tropic oak]

evil returns

[wanton pendant]

Like, I don't think you can nuke Italy and be anonymous.

So she's probably spent the last eleven or so years completely alone, cold and hungry, guilt tripping herself to sleep on the cold, rocky ground.

Jesus writers.

[split mortar]

I doubt cold and hungry she can still use magic to solve those

[wanton pendant]

Is food-o-mancy a thing?

[split mortar]

No just go hunting

[wanton pendant]

Yeah, but if she used her abilities too much she'd risk alerting Yharim to her location.

Like, if you're the a super powerful magic person trying to hide, you wouldn't use your super magic 'cause it'd give you away.

[split mortar]

Draedon was still with yharim he def knew where she was

-# tho idk how much she would know that

[wanton pendant]

Yharim forgot to ask.

That, and I feel like Brimstone Flames would probably do a bit more then make you warm.

Also, Calamitas prefers not to use her abilities, so there's that too.

[split mortar]

Just use not brimstone flames

[wanton pendant]

Her teacher was an Ice Wizard, make Ice Fire, duh.

[split mortar]

Probably cause brimstone magic like literally affects your mind when using it

[pliant ruin]

I mean i dont think calamitas has to use the evil giant brimstone fireball to hunt

[faint totem]

Frostfire you mean

[pliant ruin]

she can just like learn how to do it on the Traditional ™ way or use simpler spells to help her

shes been isolating herself from society for a while ithink shes learned a thing or two

[wanton pendant]

I mean, they do claim simpler spells are hard for her.

[manic coral]

shhhhhhhhhhh

[wanton pendant]

Because she has too much magic power from the Brimstone.

[manic coral]

we dont talk about that

[faint totem]

I mean the inland taipan uses its statistically deadliest venom on exclusively on rats and mice in the wild

[manic coral]

that was my oopsie

[wanton pendant]

Oh no the CIA (Calamity Intelligence Agency) found me!?

Will you tell us the real information? :)

[split mortar]

YOU

[manic coral]

me.

[split mortar]

Sand will mysteriously appear in inconvenient places of your house for the next month for this transgression

[wanton pendant]

Sand Undertable?

[manic coral]

it's funny how everybody started alling sans "sans undertale" when, as times goes byt, it gets proven as being more and more incorrect

[wanton pendant]

That's a weird bestiary entry for Supreme Witch, Calamitas.

[split mortar]

“Sans undertale” WRONG sans deltarune is in undertale

Undertale my fav deltarune au

[manic coral]

it's actually hilarious though

[wanton pendant]

Real enlightened individuals know that Terraria is a sequel to Super Mario, which is a sequel to Half-Life.

It makes sense when you put the pieces together, like some kind of... mimic...

[split mortar]

Which means terraria is a sequel to portal meaning the portal gun is canon to vanilla

[wanton pendant]

That's one of the main pieces of the argument.

[split mortar]

I dont actually know all that much of the modern points for sand deltarune

[wanton pendant]

Don't let big relogic hide the truth.

But anyway, back to child soldiers.

[wanton pendant]

Do we know anything about Calamitas' standard of living, food security etc. during her homeless arc!

[long bloom]

cave

[wanton pendant]

Other then cave.

[long bloom]

no information other than cave.

[wanton pendant]

The suffering of the witch cannot escape the bounds of my calculations.

[swift badger]

Child soldiers are cool and all

But did Yharim have slaves?

[wanton pendant]

No, that's like the one thing he was against

But Calamitas was probably the closest thing to a slave he would permit.

Slavery is no different to how the gods treated mortals and all that.

[swift badger]

Ohh yeah he was against turning the bees into plagebringers and stff

[swift badger]

Gos?

[split mortar]

The gods were not a giant collective
Some had slaves some didnt

[cloud ibex]

he'd probably say agnus' followers were brainwashed and therefore counted as enslaved

[wanton pendant]

That's what Yharim's justification for not being against slavery was

[cloud ibex]

Their Fanatical Cultists vs Our Just And Righteous Brimstone Witch and allat

[split mortar]

The gods he was around early in his life made the corruption and crimson iirc

Bit of a accidentally biased selection

[wanton pendant]

Like, he wouldn't literally force someone to do something, but he'd manipulate and threaten which is 'better' as far as he cares

[cloud ibex]

they could've chosen to die instead therefore they had a choice

[wanton pendant]

Yeah exactly, no chains, just emotional manipulation.

Those peaceful protestors were bad guys, are you just gonna let the bad guys get away?

[icy veldt]

Yharim is evil, no doubt, but he's also self-righteous enough to be infuriatingly annoying, which is even worse than being evil!

[wanton pendant]

No, worse is the evil that isnt even consistent and contradict their own dogma to look better.

[icy veldt]

"Yharim must die for his evil!" - 🤓
"Yharim must die because he's annoying" - 😎

[wanton pendant]

Yharim owes me twenty bucks.

[hoary cape]

Gonna kill yharim with lava

[wanton pendant]

Second time's the charm.

[hoary cape]

No yharon to save him this time

[wanton pendant]

Unless he smuggles his egg into it.

[hoary cape]

The egg isn't back though for like a decade

[wanton pendant]

Eggman's assistance.

[icy veldt]

Taunt Yharim as he's dying by telling him you'll undo all of his work by enslaving everyone and forcing them to worship you as a god, before finishing him off and retiring to farm wheat

[somber wren]

nah, I'd make sure everyone remembered him as a God.

A massive grandiose mausoleum for whatever's left of him with a few words etched on the front.
"Here lies Yharim, God-King of <World name>"

[hoary cape]

Yharim's soul in the afterlife

[swift badger]

Yharim the type of guy that will get so angry he will come back from the dead just to kill more gods

I wouldn't taunt pn him before he completely crashes out

[alpine jetty]

a sticky note that says im yharim i love gods sooooo much and im a big dumb idiot

[somber wren]

I feel like talking mad shit about Yharon would actually make him angrier.

[icy veldt]

And inside is a massive life-support device that keeps him aware of everything but unable to speak, move, or die

Wait that's just the Emperor of Mankind

[alpine jetty]

this is getting weirdly fucked up

[icy veldt]

It's just the Golden Throne from 40K

[plucky juniper]

auric tesla throne

[somber wren]

Even For all that he's done, to actively torment him for a long time just feels pointless.

If I wanted to torment him I'd just feed him to polterghast.

[olive jolt]

raaaaaa

I can finally play calamity!

so uh guys, I wanna ask

what was the qol mod that let's u automatically make houses and hellevators and such

oops wrong channel my bad

[scenic olive]

yharim must die because i need to aura farm

our fight will generate too much aura

[prisma nimbus]

@chrome girder bro is it cinidron or cinidron????

[real glen]

both are wrong
its Cnidrion

[wanton pendant]

Obviously, Calamitas was lucky Cnidrion held back his unfathomable might against her.

[somber wren]

They really were built different for them to survive the burning of Ilmeris

[wanton pendant]

Calamitas was fond of seahorse.

[fleet wedge]

No that's Sancho

[fleet wedge]

The Stanley Parable narrator obviously

[fleet wedge]

Pretty sure he left before that, no?

[split mortar]

Nope

Draedon was tasked to replicate scals power because she left iirc

And then he fused nukes and bees instead of doing that

[fleet wedge]

And the companion cube too!

[fleet wedge]

No information other than The Cave™

[fierce pagoda]

Oh Dreadon, you little rascal

[fleet wedge]

No they didn't
It appeared because he didn't properly dispose of their bodies/essence

[wanton pendant]

So... their remains made the biomes... meaning it was made of them.

[cloud ibex]

i mean it's true but the phrasing is kinda janky

saying they "made the biomes" makes it sound like they did it on purpose

[wanton pendant]

Yharim's propaganda probably does claim such a thing.

Schools in Yharim's empire (I don't know if it was ever named) must have looked like the Fire Nation's.

[cloud ibex]

he didn't really have an "empire"

his army was nomadic

[wanton pendant]

It's mentioned in a few places he had some form of governance.

Bureacrats, mentioned having spent time ruling.

Instead of helping his allies with Polterghast.

Also he had a court.

[stoic gulch]

does silva gear needing effulgent feathers a thing in lore or is it just a crafting recipe

also yo water wraith from pikmin 2

[wanton pendant]

Silva just really doesn't like Dragonfolly's and you must give proof of their death as offering.

Hello marketable plushy.

[stoic gulch]

that is me

[stoic gulch]

so i guess i use auric stuff for my dragonfolly build

ok thank you!1

[wanton pendant]

That was a joke lads.

That and you can't get auric without killing Dragonfolly.

[split mortar]

Its just some weirdness in crafting recipe afaik it has no lore significance and never did

[split mortar]

???

You can folly is optional

[stoic gulch]

does swarmer count as dragonfollies?

[wanton pendant]

Oh, is there a way to get the egg?

[stoic gulch]

oki than you

[split mortar]

The minion folly spawns can spawn naturally and it can drop feathers

[stoic gulch]

uhhhh can i ask what things on the body of things in cal are here or should i go to cmt

[wanton pendant]

That makes sense. Though I heard Draggonfolly's getting moved

[wanton pendant]

What?

[split mortar]

Yeah likely yeeted to pre hardmode

[stoic gulch]

the red things on dragonfollies neck

[split mortar]

??

[stoic gulch]

like theyre stuck there

[wanton pendant]

Feathers.

[stoic gulch]

those red things

theyre always there

[wanton pendant]

Just cool looking shocked feathers

[stoic gulch]

oh

ok thank you

[faint totem]

Lightning.

[stoic gulch]

Lightning is the opposite of static

Which those things are

[random mulch]

probably just red feathers or smth

[scenic olive]

Kill all follies

[gritty kraken]

eyes

[wanton pendant]

???

[lucid niche]

Bugs Bunny would’ve defeated Yharim WAY earlier

[tropic oak]

why is nobody talking about the appearance of double you dee gastr is in cal lore…..

[dusk laurel]

piles of gaster's dust

[barren sonnet]

Mystery man actually is gaster, but he’s just wearing uboa cosplay

[strong compass]

how did cacti start to grow on the former ilmeris sea

[wanton pendant]

The D in W D Gaster stands for Draedon.

Cactus seeds blew in or something.

Calamitas knows Cactomancy.

[strong compass]

what about how a big ass pyramid was there

[wanton pendant]

Pyramid can spawn in any desert, not a narrative element.

[split mortar]

The surface was always desert

[barren sonnet]

Ilimeris just built like ancient Egypt probably

[split mortar]

We will likely know more in the next major update since a lot of lore will drop in it especially about the sunken sea

[dusk laurel]

the pyramid might have been built by that pre-ilmeris desert civilization mentioned in that one bestiary entry

[wanton pendant]

We know Calamitas can do Brimstone magic, Necromancy, Cryomancy, Enchantment and Transfiguration, is there any other magics she knows that we know she knows?

[split mortar]

-# oh thats public i forgot if it was or not

[split mortar]

She is above average in magic but spikes in skill at brimstone related stuff iirc

So generally she is just good at magic

[wanton pendant]

I mean, they do indicate that she is quite good at Cryomancy with Cryogen.

[split mortar]

Really?

[wanton pendant]

She's the one who snowgraved Permafrost and I think the lore or something says it's impressive.

[split mortar]

I dont see it as more complex then the other ice constructs, just more powerful

[split mortar]

O it does?

[wanton pendant]

"The spellwork present in this living seal is inspired, and a tragic homage to every lesson Permafrost taught his student."

It's 'inspired'.

[split mortar]

And that indicates its really good cryomancy how?

[wanton pendant]

It's a way of saying it's genius, are you unfamiliar with the expression?

[split mortar]

Or atleast especially good compared to her other magics

[split mortar]

Yes

I have not heard of calling something inspired as a way of saying its good

Inspiring is what i would associate that with

[wanton pendant]

That's fair, it's not that common an expression, but I've heard it before quite a bit.

Maybe it's not big overseas.

I'd pull up an example, but it's from a radio comedy, and I'd need to find the episode and timestamp.

[sinful adder]

It's not a common expression but calling something inspired can mean that it is very good

Specifically that it is well made, or that it's creator had good inspiration

[wanton pendant]

I'd argue it means extremely good, as if they were hit by a genius inspiration. Inspired, if you will.

[random mulch]

perhaps there was someone extremely experienced with ice magic nearby

[split mortar]

Also that true
I dunno how much we can say scals skill singlehandedly did since uh

Permafrost was literally there

[wanton pendant]

The bestiary does say she did it.

"After a tearful confrontation, she decided to instead seal him away, and fake his death." The sentence before the other one.

Also reveals it was her idea.

[random mulch]

it says she made the decision but it doesnt say if she was singlehandedly responsible for the spell

[wanton pendant]

The literal next sentence indicates it was her.

[scenic olive]

Cryogen getting Cryonitroglyciated

[fierce pagoda]

do you think Calamitas will have different dialogue based on if you defeat cryogen or not

[faint totem]

Prob not

[split mortar]

iirc yeah

Cause you have to go out of your way to not fight cryogen until post scal

[fierce pagoda]

calamity evil route

save as few people as possible

actually that would just be low boss%

[faint totem]

Eat an auric soul

[wanton pendant]

Yeah, I was thinking that if you didn't she should mention it, maybe encourage you to unleash her dad from his snowgrave. It's probably cramped in there.

[icy veldt]

Do you think any of Calamity's town NPCs will have special dialogue if you've killed them (using Terraria's anti-town NPC weapons like the Flymeal) at least once?

[wanton pendant]

Probably not, not diagetic or however it's spelt.

[plucky lichen]

FINALLY someone pointed this out rebecca im blaming this on you

ive been wanting to say this forever but i thought i was crazy

im not crazy im not crazy

[wanton pendant]

If only Genshin Impact had gameplay.

Also, both Calamity and Deltarune involve a teenage girl freezing someone in a block of ice. Obviously, this means Yharim is the knight.

So, by that logic, his weakness is trucks.

[split mortar]

Yharim can spawn physicalised fears of the dark to fight people

[wanton pendant]

Yeah that's called emotional manipulation.

[light linden]

deltarune spoilers

in lore discussion

[quartz pier]

can i get a list of everyone that was in Yharim's court?

like- permafrost, Devourer, Draedon, Calamatias.

i just wanna know everyone

[pliant ruin]

I mean you have almost all of the characters that were a part of the Yharmy as is
The only real additions i could name are Yharon (Duh) and the Mech Bosses

[quartz pier]

ah

okay

i didnt know if- like silva counted or not.

so i wanted to make sure

[pliant ruin]

Silva was a goddess, she is as far as you can possibly get from being associated with Yharim

Yharim hates gods and wants to kill all of them, he brutally "murdered" silva

[vernal surge]

as a genshin player i can also confirm this is true

[quartz pier]

again- didnt know. thats hwy i asked

[pliant ruin]

That's okay, i'm just giving further context

[timid lintel]

can i see yalls arena for dog

[real glen]

wrong channel

[alpine jetty]

is akato canon

[plucky juniper]

its a donor item, therefore dedicated, therefore probably not

[crimson junco]

No

[fleet wedge]

The humble Auric Tesla mount:

[fleet wedge]

What about McNuggets

[zealous parrot]

Is there a document with the current calamity lore? I keep getting mixed up with the old and new lores

[mighty zenith]

first pinned message in this channel

is entirely up to date

[zealous parrot]

Thanks

[deft vessel]

finally someone else said it too

[prime mauve]

when in doubt

Calamity is genshin

[robust osprey]

calamity impact

[quiet thicket]

and the traveler is the terrarian

amber is the zoologue

[robust osprey]

the terrarian is YOU!!!!!!1!!

[wanton pendant]

The real Terrarian is the friends we made along the way.

[split mortar]

No the terrarian is YOU

The friends you made is the friends you made

[wanton pendant]

No, this is:

[split mortar]

That is YOU

[long bloom]

can confirm

that's me

i look like that

[wanton pendant]

Sorry for leaking your visage.

[pliant ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/good-morning-limbus-limbus-company-hubert-time-killing-time-gif-14313583572994320392

[wanton pendant]

What?

[pliant ruin]

ok i fixed it

good morning lore people

[split mortar]

Hello CHEESE

[robust osprey]

I must pay the xeroc tax...

[split mortar]

[unreal tiger]

Is dog tasty under all that armor

I'm imagining a kinda shellfish but with those dense clumped up muscle fibers you find in brisket

[long bloom]

i'm not convinced he's even made of meat given yknow

eldritch abomination

[zealous parrot]

Id imagine it would taste disgusting considering all the gods he's consumed

[long bloom]

it's said twice that his body has absolutely zero godly essence in it

[split mortar]

The gods corpses are not stored anywhere in DoG

And likely its sent to the distortion

[wanton pendant]

Great, now I'm imagining it feeds the cosmic servants like it's a bird.

[split mortar]

Cosmic servants might be getting nuked iirc

[wanton pendant]

Deserved for making me think of that.

[long bloom]

they're definitely getting nuked

[light linden]

eh

I kinda like the servants

[split mortar]

I dont even know what they do beyond follow dog and die

[wanton pendant]

That's why they are being put down, too dumb to live. Yharim's taking them to the vet (Draedon) as we speak.

[dusk laurel]

cosmic guardians are just annoying mini versions of dog

i dont see what purpose they serve other than being boss minions

[scenic olive]

Maybe we should nuke abyss again

[light linden]

tbh

I feel like if we keep removing crap from DoG he's just gonna be a worse EoW

[dusk laurel]

does he know

[light linden]

ik DoG is being reworked

[split mortar]

Thunder is unaware DoG is getting a rework in sso

[dusk laurel]

dog is already worse than eow

[split mortar]

?

[light linden]

but in doing so it seems like everything but his bite is being removed

[split mortar]

Possible

[spare pier]

Fabsol Boss Design Shortcoming Number 354

[split mortar]

Removing something does not mean it will not get a replacement

And also we dunno whats happening for the sso one

[light linden]

also uh

why the hell are they being reworked in sso?

[spare pier]

Most of the time there are several useless features floating around that were added and proved to be bad ideas. As per sunken cost fallacy, instead of being removed, they were simply arranged to become meaningless and add nothing to the fight

[dusk laurel]

its not the final rework

[split mortar]

To make the guy tolerable

[light linden]

aren't they gonna have to be reworked again?

[split mortar]

Yes

[dusk laurel]

its because

[split mortar]

They want DoG to be tolerable till then

[dusk laurel]

dog is so bad that they have to do a temp rework

[spare pier]

We deemed DoG to be in such a terrible state that we had to do something about it

[dusk laurel]

so that he'll be acceptable until then

[split mortar]

#spoilers message
slight outdated version of a visual change dog is getting for the fight

[dusk laurel]

in so glad that his filter is gone

[spare pier]

DEATH TO SCREEN FILTERS

[dusk laurel]

we get an actual effect now thats not just 1 color

can you guys remove yharon's orange filter yet or is it on hold

[light linden]

also rebecca can I ask a question?

[spare pier]

Sure

[spare pier]

On hold

[split mortar]

:(

[dusk laurel]

i see

[light linden]

which dev is the angelic alliance for?

[spare pier]

The screen filters are bad but we want to at least replace them with decent stuff

Also idk check the wiki

[pliant island]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Angelic_Alliance

[light linden]

I uh

don't know who that is

the dev I mean

[spare pier]

Oh it's Nin

I mean I can't explain who they are

I never talked to them

[light linden]

them and spoopyro are the two devs I have no idea about

ty anyways

[scenic olive]

Angled Cosmilite Plating

[wanton pendant]

Do we know if Yharim made any attempt to capture/kill Calamitas after she defected, or did he go straight to trying to replicate her abilities.

[split mortar]

Afaik replicating

Yharim kinda just knew yeah uh he cant stop her im pretty sure

[wanton pendant]

Like, I would assume he'd know he's the only one who COULD fight her. But he's really apathetic about anything other then winning the war at that point.

So it's not unreasonable he just went them's the brakes.

[split mortar]

Calamitas also like may have been stronger then yharim st that point in time

[wanton pendant]

Wasn't she around 16/17? Like, I don't think I'd be easy for Yharim, but I do think he'd be more likely to win then not.

Hey, this is a new argument!

[split mortar]

Wtf do you expect when the most recent lore drops in game were over a year ago

[wanton pendant]

I mean, this is how I keep imagining such a showdown.

[split mortar]

We could try theorising about what the other pillar fragments are since solar is fucking primordial light

[random mulch]

who knows how many months we will need to wait until we get the big new lore drops from an update

[wanton pendant]

Latest revelation was a bestiary entry being wrong. And Storm Weaver having freedom I guess.

[split mortar]

Eh thats kinda been known for a while

Abiut weaver

[wanton pendant]

Damn it.

Fine, bestiary entry being wrong. That's the culmination of six hundred and sixty years of research.

[crisp wraith]

A cool little hypothesis to fit the lore when playing with my dragonborn/dragonkin characters is that the auric dragons shared some of their draconic energy with a small group of lihzards and eventually evolved into a sort of ofshoot relatives of the dragons of olde.

[wanton pendant]

That would be Terrarian lore, which can be as fanfictionny as you want. Also, this would create the plothole of Yharim being racist towards Lihzahrd but nice towards the Terrarian. Is he stupid?

[split mortar]

Yharim just never realised the terrarian was lihzahrd

[crisp wraith]

I personally think maybe the disdain eroded due to having a connection to the Auric dragons of old, for my own character lore/story thing.

[wanton pendant]

Oh so he thinks you're 'one of the good ones'. Racist old genocidal maniac.

[crisp wraith]

Plus its a cool thought when you realize that your fighting a relative of your own kind when you face Yharon, kinda adds a form of deep thought and past/future lore when you think about it. (I would post an art picture of my character but I am not sure if that goes on general media or can go in here for context purposes)

[split mortar]

Ive seen some fanart posted here so if not too much images its prob fine here due to context?

[wanton pendant]

Yeah it's probably fine, besides, I don't see any mods.

[hoary cape]

Hi

[split mortar]

Hello

[hoary cape]

You are all be erased

[split mortar]

What why

[wanton pendant]

Um, evening officer, we were just playing cards.

[hoary cape]

Because I am the main character now

[wanton pendant]

There's no contraband here.

[split mortar]

Im not kiriwhite???

[brazen coral]

No, I'm the main character!

[random mulch]

khamul is about to erase reality for our transgressions, bye

[crisp wraith]

I was gonna ask Prikki about this inquiry

[brazen coral]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1091210082605350995/1252062606626128074/caption.gif?width=716&height=659

[wanton pendant]

Oh wait, I'm Invincible, I'll be fine.

[hoary cape]

I will give you to yharim he is racist against lihzahrd

[brazen coral]

You can't do that!!

[hoary cape]

Too late

[brazen coral]

boohoodust

[crisp wraith]

my dragonkin are related to dragons of old

so NOW he hates the auric dragon boys

damm

[split mortar]

Wait why does being related to dragons of old mean hates auric dragons

Wait nvm yharon exists

[wanton pendant]

Yharim really hates green people.

But anyway, Terrarian can be as fanfictionny as you want, you can be Calamitas' long lost third brother who went to get milk on the day the elemental attacked, a clone of Yharim Draedon forgot about, a guy who lost one hell of a bet, uh... Luigi?

[hoary cape]

Yharim hates the colour green because a) Silva is green and he couldn't kill her b) Braelore wears green and he is his enemy and c) draedon turned a giant bee green

[wanton pendant]

And those scale skins were green. (his words, not mine.)

[split mortar]

Green is my fav colour

[hoary cape]

Why would you admit that

Now yharim is going to execute you

[wanton pendant]

Heh, good thing he doesn't know my weakness. I can be as GREEN as can be!

[hoary cape]

A sword

[wanton pendant]

Nope, swords are no matter for I!

[hoary cape]

Yharim using auric ore when it's the souls of dragons is funny to me.

[wanton pendant]

It's called recycling.

I mean, you use oil, that's basically made of dragons.

[somber wren]

I don't think that Auric ore is their soul, I think it's some other manifestation of draconic power.

Draconic power, even when it's not their actual soul, does seem to do funny things to earth and metal.

As another example, If I remember correctly a release of draconic power, but NOT an Auric soul, is what re-enchants Aerialite ore after you kill the Perforators or the Hive Mind.

[wanton pendant]

But ya do need a bit of soul to prevent it from becoming 'kill you' metal.

[somber wren]

You need the soul fragments to form a mock attunement.

Someone who was already attuned to a living Auric Dragon wouldn't need the Soul fragments because with a true attunement, the metal has no risk of rejecting you.

[wanton pendant]

Unless someone eats your dragon pal's soul, in which case your armour is suddenly a microwave and you're being reheated.

[somber wren]

Shoulda taken better care of your dragon pal then

[wanton pendant]

Too bad a certain someone failed to comprehend.

[hoary cape]

Clearly wearing auric when you have a dragon friend is like shaving your cat and then using its fur to make clothing

[somber wren]

It's more like having a Wizard friend and having them cast a spell on a rock, and then wearing the rock.

[wanton pendant]

But if that wizard gets banished to the Torment Plane the rock eats you.

[somber wren]

But as long as he's alive the metal actively works with you and makes you far stronger than anyone reasonably should be.

If I remember correctly, people with a True Draconic attunement like Yharim get A LOT more out of Auric than the Terrarian does with their Mock attunement.

[hoary cape]

It's still a rock associated with the death of dragons

To me that feels weird that he would wear it

[somber wren]

It's poetic.

The sins of the gods protect him in his crusade to rend them from their domains.

[hoary cape]

He has committed more sins than the gods which is oof

[somber wren]

He has, but he doesn't necessarily see it that way.

[hoary cape]

His whole view is manipulated by yharon and the one group of gods whos followers decided to have him killed for refusing them lol

Good old manipulation

[somber wren]

He refused to become God-King even before he spoke to Yharon.

From the beginning he was opposed to the whims of the gods, what Yharon told him just gave him Justification for his dislike of them.

So while Yharon did add fuel to the fire, the fire was already there.

[split mortar]

YHARON STOP ADDING FUEL ITS A FUCKING FOREST FIRE

[hoary cape]

Oh I know yharim already disliked them, but I doubt he would have gone full on genocide mode if yharon hadn't told him what the stories

He might have killed those responsible though

[icy veldt]

I wonder how much of his dislike of them was a desire for "justice" or "freedom", and how much of it was a spiteful grudge against civilization because he was bullied in his youth or something

Because I don't buy into Yharim's "fallen hero" nonsense

[split mortar]

Yharim believes he is a fallen hero

What he says is nonsense but he believes it

[somber wren]

I'm not so sure.

I think he just would have found a different reason to fight them, it might have started at getting revenge on the people who tried to execute him.
And then once going he just might not have stopped.

We know that he was the type to go out during blood moons just to revel in the slaughter, I think one of the Lore Fragments tells us exactly how he went out on those nights.

So he doesn't seem to be opposed to mindless violence.

[wanton pendant]

A fallen hero who manipulates little girls into commiting genocides.

[hoary cape]

The gods associated with whatever group yharim was born into suck though. The question is which gods were those

[wanton pendant]

The gods of destiny and faith?

[icy veldt]

God of dogma, if I remember correctly. The one whose carcass became the Corruption

[split mortar]

We dont know for sure but i bet crimson and corruption is made by some of them

[wanton pendant]

Ain't corruption made of a bunch of corpses.

[icy veldt]

Corpses of gods

[split mortar]

Yeah hivemind is just mostly dogma

[wanton pendant]

I guess he didn't have that dogma in him.

[somber wren]

What do you think will happen to Providence's godly essence after the Terrarian takes her out?

I don't think they have a proper disposal for her remains, but she didn't really seem to leave many remains either.

[wanton pendant]

I believe this is brought up.

It seeps into other life and tries to control them. Doesn't really work on slimes.

But since it's just one god it isn't that big of a deal, not like the potentially hundres in the evil biomes.

[icy veldt]

I plan to coalesce it into a therapy patient with a more humanoid form

[wanton pendant]

Bloom Slime: "Imbued with profaned energy, this slime wishes to see the world reduced to ashes to ensure the suffering it brings is no more. However, the simplicity of their form makes it difficult for the slain goddess to fully impose her will onto them."

She tries to brainwash even in death.

[split mortar]

Uelibloom bestiary entry touches on it iirc

Current explenation is its uelibloom i think

Tho it may just be the divine geodes she drops once ueli is nuked

[wanton pendant]

And I guess any other remains is just eaten by DoG off screen or something. He's an opportunist after all.

[split mortar]

Even prehardmode corruption snd crimson are possibly dozens of gods given decades for their essence to grow
I doubt provi essence will cause much issue for a while

[wanton pendant]

Unless you're a Bloom Slime.

[wanton pendant]

Considering Amidias was apparently unaware of what happened in Azafure, it's not impossible Calamitas was one of, if not the only survivor who was present. We know there were others who were from Azafure, but it's possible that they weren't there when the elemental awoken, and as such wouldn't have known either. It's not unreasonable the incident was covered up as it would reflect poorly on Yharim.

[inland quest]

Can someone give me a deep dive explanation on the exo mechs pleaseeeee (my favorite boss)

(Well second favorite)

[robust osprey]

mechs that were created by draedon with the power to defeat yharim (with the power yharim had before leaving draedon)

and that's about it for the exos

but if you want for their creator, draedon, there is a lot more

[split mortar]

The exos alone are not all that lorefull due to having been completed not that long before we fight them iirc

They are the absolute peak of draedons current technological heights but a lot more of the lore is on draedon (the superintelligent ai that made them) and the tech used in the mechs

[inland quest]

Yeah I read a lot about draedon

Also what tribe was it that made the ravager again I forgor

[robust osprey]

funfact draedon is making exos while we play

[robust osprey]

god of sacrifices' followers necromanced their god into ravager

fused with some other souls iirc

[inland quest]

God of sacrifice?

[robust osprey]

it wasn't much of a tribe, just followers

[robust osprey]

ravager before dying and being necromanced

[inland quest]

Ah

[split mortar]

Despite what the domain suggests
Agnus (name of GoS) is actually a really good person

[robust osprey]

truth

it's the god of self sacrifice btw

[inland quest]

Where can I find this lore other than the lore items the bosses drop

I need to readddddd

[split mortar]

Theres the document in the pins with almost all info ingame but since the last major lore drop ingame was over a year ago theres a bunch of technically not canon but is gonna be added to the game info we know so asking is still a good idea

[inland quest]

Right thanks cause I have a very limited knowledge of this game

[split mortar]

👍 happy to help

[robust osprey]

yeah there's a lot of lore not ingame rn but it will be added eventually

that the devs have been leaking here

[split mortar]

Mainly in the next major update that then got scope creeped to high hell and back to the point it was meant to release in like fucking january

Yet is still a good few months away rn minimum

[robust osprey]

sso scope creep goes crazy

[inland quest]

I really wish eternity mode exo mechs was just base exo mechs that would actually be SO cool

[split mortar]

Sadly fabsol had control over the exos until getting basically kicked from the mod so not had a chance
Hopefully the fight gets a big rework at some point cause theres a lot of underbaked potential imo

[tropic oak]

looks at wrath of the machines

[long bloom]

every dev fucking hates current exos so it's absolutely getting reworked sooner than later

but still not Soon

[hoary cape]

Fabsol had control over every boss iirc

Or at least most of the control

Exo mechs rework 🔥

[long bloom]

yeah the only things in current release he didn't do are guardians and scal brothers

[somber wren]

Something that's interesting about Exxo-Technology, but not the Exo-Mechs themselves is that the Terrarian was the one to stabilize Miracle matter, not Draedon.

The Exo-Mechs produced miracle matter as they took damage but it was actually because the Exo-Prisms powering them melted down surrounding matter, it was not an intentional feature, and Miracle Matter didn't last very long because it was highly unstable.

The Terrarian took the Exo-Prisms that survived the battle, combined them with other materials and created stable, workable Miracle matter.

Draedon hates the name, but since the Terrarian was the one to stabilize it, he does still use it.

[robust osprey]

yeah beacuse we can actually manipulate auric ore

and bars ofc

draedon cant beacuse auric would blow him up

and the terrarian is YOU except we suck ass at naming

[hoary cape]

Draedon would get sent to the sun

Draedon should just kill yharon and then make auric

Make a deal with permission so yharon doesn't come after him

[somber wren]

I wonder if Draedon has a soul.

If he doesn't, it might not even matter if he has permission he might not be able to form an attunement.

[fleet wedge]

I know that's a necropost but I'm pretty sure I've also seen someone talk about the life dragon's name (and maybe the gluttony one as well)

Remember what?

[long bloom]

stip wants to name the life dragon raelvanna but it hasn't been decided

[fleet wedge]

What's the joke here?

[long bloom]

wait why are you backreading from a week ago 😭

at least don't ping people over this

[hoary cape]

He could probably do what we do and merge fragments of Yharon's soul into it

[tropic oak]

i did infact test this

[somber wren]

There's also the dragon of flame that Providence and the Profaned Guardians killed

[tropic oak]

he does infact blow the fuck up

i was wrong

[robust osprey]

auric racism......

racist towards anything that isnt yharon or yharim

[tropic oak]

LOL

[robust osprey]

we trick it into thinking we are yharim..

[somber wren]

Theoretically any Auric Dragon would work, but seeing as we don't have another world soul lying around and a comically large hammer

There's just the one left.

[tropic oak]

yeah actually there's one dragon left its name is dixienormus

[somber wren]

I thought they got killed to create the god known as the Lord of Deez

[unreal tiger]

So like, what's up with the auric dragons? Where do they come from? What makes them special among other ancient beings?

[buoyant solstice]

Stupid question

What is Betsy in Cal Lore?

[scenic yacht]

crossover content so its not canon iirc

[unreal tiger]

Yeah, Betsy and the whole old one's army is from another universe

[somber wren]

It's not known where they come from

But what sets dragons apart from other ancient entities is their Auric Soul, a very powerful thing that grants dragons dominion over a primal aspect of the world, an entire concept such as Light, Fire, Life, Death, or Rebirth.

These Auric souls were both completely irreplaceable and limited in number.

Other Dragon-Kin like Follies, Fishron and Wyrms are the descendants of dragons, but did not have an Auric Soul

[young socket]

the auric dragons were gifted their auric souls, which gives them certain powers

their descendants, draconic offshoots, do not have an auric soul

[faint totem]

Not canon

[buoyant solstice]

Makes sense makes sense

But if it was

What could the lore be

[faint totem]

Hmmmm

[real glen]

maybe like infernum boss title

[faint totem]

I don’t play Infernum what is the Betsy boss title

[real glen]

Mother of Wyverns iirc

[buoyant solstice]

That makes sense, since it shares the archetype of wyverns having two legs and not four

Something something this offshoot actually retains similar intelligence to her auric ancestors and managed to raise an army in her name

Honestly unironically like this idea

Something something the goblins who follow her were shunned and exiled from the Terrarian goblins and branched off into their own form of dark magic

[somber wren]

It doesn't even really need to be that complicated.

Other worlds beyond Terraria exist, Draedon wants to go to them one day. It's just a form of convergent evolution.

[fleet wedge]

I would imagine vortex is related to storm, nebula to night (and possibly distortion) and stardust to uninfected stars (duh )

[fleet wedge]

Why was he racist against lizards btw?

[long bloom]

bc they worship a god that's even more bullshit than the other gods somehow (in yharim's perception)

[fleet wedge]

Profaned birb

[fleet wedge]

I mean, it pretty much happens on screen in Infernum

[fleet wedge]

"Dragon of flame"
Mfw when every dragon breaths flames

[long bloom]

source?

[scenic yacht]

dragons can somewhat distribute their power to other dragons iirc

which is why most dragon can rebirth so long as they have their soul intact

and yharon isnt like

completely gone

[buoyant solstice]

True but I like funny silly in depth lore even if it’s unnecessary

[pliant ruin]

I mean idk if every dragon breaths flames

Yharon does but like that maekes sense hes got a phoenix aesthethic and shit

Now for like. Dragon of Life. fuckin. Dragon of Frost?? yeah idk chief

[wanton pendant]

He viewed them as an inferior people.

I've realized, Yharim can't shake people's hands when in his armour. They'd get one hell of a shock.

But I was thinking, do you think someone skilled at lightning magic or something similar could redirect the shock and not get toasted if they were to touch his armour?

[limpid saddle]

Its an interesting idea but I don't think Auric rejection is just lightning, despite the visuals

Presumably it's some kind of fucky dragon soul static electricity that can't be circumvented in such ways

[wanton pendant]

If it's soul magic, maybe a necromancer could redirect it?

That and we know auric tesla isn't infallible, it can be tricked into binding with soul fragments, even if not perfectly, so I don't think it's completely unreasonable to believe there may be other ways to circumvent its protections, if only briefly.

[fleet wedge]

It came to me in a dream

[split mortar]

I would have went with vortex for any distortion relation since its a lot more gravity and portal related which a lot of the distortion creatures we know of are able to control to some degree

[wheat walrus]

Hey at least w dragon of life you can go

The flame of life

Like

Dragontorch from Monster Hunter Wilds

[split mortar]

Dragon of life breathes a fire that can scientifically be defined as living

[deft vessel]

dragon of frost would propably just breath ice

and life would use like solar beam or something

[split mortar]

Frost dragon breathes frost fire

There is ice fire in terraria

[tropic oak]

i think the word you’re looking for is frostburn

[tropic oak]

bluerrrrrghhhh

[jaunty wraith]

New calamity lore dropped

[pliant ruin]

fascinating

[calm patio]

yharim always balled

[deft vessel]

he so baller

[jaunty wraith]

The reason the yharim boss is taking to long is the difficulty of programming his ballen moves in game without it frying your pc from sheer awesomeness

[limpid saddle]

just vomits a bunch of wispy microbes that when formed together look like they're breathing fire

[icy veldt]

I'd prefer Profaned Catgirl, since Provy's MO is to manipulate and then indoctrinate people into serving her, which would make a catgirl appearance perfect for her, i.e. "I shall burn the world for you, my kitten"-type shit

[wanton pendant]

What the actual hell.

[real silo]

May be on to something

[wanton pendant]

Please nobody here is on to something please.

[real silo]

Speak for yourself

[icy veldt]

I'm on to something (something = huffing swamp gas)

[scenic olive]

I always thought frost fire is not a part of fire domain

[split mortar]

Maybe its encompassed by both fire and frost domains

[jaunty wraith]

What element does it count as gameplay wise?

[wanton pendant]

Frostburn is cold.

[fleet wedge]

I mean, I'm not sure about life (though I imagine it would be some kind of life (I mean duh )/plant based breath (something like the staff of regrowth or fairy boots effect, except much stronger)), but we do have frostfire for the frost dragon
(Also, do you think Permafrost is related to the frost dragon in any way?)

[prime mauve]

guess no dragon could be alive except the dragon of life

but also either way the one dragon we actually see - yharon - is the dragon of rebirth

Rebirth is very closely tied with fire in multiple ways, most notably through the Pheonix

[wanton pendant]

So you see, long before time had a name...

[robust osprey]

yharon makes sense cuz he is related to phoenix and is literally called phoenix

and phoenix is a fire birb

[prime mauve]

fire is also related to rebirth if you consider things such as like

forging ore to be reborn into useful metal

[cloud ibex]

i'd wager a guess the difference between the DoF and someone like Yharon is like

the difference between Fatalis and any other fire based monster in mh

[icy veldt]

Or cooking meat (dead animal) so it can be used to feed living people

[prime mauve]

clearly yharon should breathe zombies

[wanton pendant]

No, Yharon's fire should unzombie zombies.

[prime mauve]

no he's rebirthing the dead souls as Zombies duh

[robust osprey]

yharon breaths ravagers

[prime mauve]

That's why they're everywhere

[cloud ibex]

fatalis is far from the only fire based monster in the series, but as far as i'm aware there's nobody that does it quite to the level he does

[icy veldt]

Yharon's fire should BBQ meat and nothing else

[prime mauve]

Yharon makes them all

[icy veldt]

Since it's magic, it should also apply barbecue sauce

[cloud ibex]

other monsters can shoot fireballs

[wanton pendant]

And Calamitas calls it amateur, arrogant jerk.

[cloud ibex]

other monsters don't pull out a wave of fire that melts steel in seconds a third of the way through their fights

what sets DoF apart from the others isn't just him having fire breath, it would be him having fire breath the level of which nobody else at the time could match

[wanton pendant]

So you're saying Yharon is casual fire, but the fire dragon is competitive fire.

[robust osprey]

yeah something like that

[cloud ibex]

something like that yes

yharon shooting fire is a thing he does

the flame dragon shooting fire is the thing he did

[wanton pendant]

Unfortunately, shooting fire didn't save the poor chap from four lunatics.

[robust osprey]

calamity dragons fight addon when

[wanton pendant]

After they add Amidias boss fight.

[robust osprey]

just cook the fish not that hard

[wanton pendant]

If it was that easy wouldn't Calamitas have done that years ago? Clearly he's harder to fry then he seems.

[solemn needle]

@fleet wedge Official wiki: https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/

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It will no longer be updated nor maintained, and it is heavily vandalized with fake information.

Use the official Calamity Mod Wiki here at wiki.gg instead.

[robust osprey]

maybe the clam he is in is unfriable idk

[fleet wedge]

Frick

[wanton pendant]

I'm fairly certain being trapped in the clam is getting removed, right?

[robust osprey]

uuuuhhh I think I heard something like that

then the castle he is in is unfriable

[wanton pendant]

If they could make anti-fish finger buildings, why not make their armour out of it?

[robust osprey]

I dont think amidias is harder to fry than 2 gods

[fleet wedge]

No I mean like
The town pet
(Just google profaned birb)

[wheat walrus]

I think Teo/Luna VS Rathalos is a better comparison

Fatalis isn't particularly versatile, it's just overwhelmingly intense

Also how Fatalis' fire most likely isn't just fire fire, and Dive To MHWI kinda implies it by calling it "Kalpa Fire"

Teo and Luna stand as a better comparison imo, Fatalis is The Dragon but Teostra and Lunastra are the Fire Dragons and Rulers of Flame

[wanton pendant]

Damn I wasn't paying enough attention in SMT3 to remember what Kalpa meant.

[icy veldt]

Yes, I know about it

[wheat walrus]

And while they'd get eviscerated by Fatalis' flames, they use them with more versatility

[wheat walrus]

Kalpa is a time unit, more specifically the lifespan of a world/universe in buddhist and hinduist cultures

[wanton pendant]

So... it's like... 'Universal Lifetime Fire'?

[wheat walrus]

Kalpa Fire, or Kalpa Agni, is known as a fire that lights at the end of a kalpa (depending on the culture, at the end of the kalpa of destruction) and cleanses everything, transcending natural disasters and highlighting chaos and avarice

[wanton pendant]

So, 'Universe Cleansing Fire'?

[wheat walrus]

World-Destroying Conflagration

[wanton pendant]

Ok red Miku I totally didn't have to look up what Conflagration meant.

[wheat walrus]

That is what the japanese term (since Dive To MHWI has never been localized) I was referring to here tend to translate

[wheat walrus]

Flames

[wheat walrus]

劫火

Google translate is funny, it only gives "hellfire"

So you have to look this up for yourself for the cultural context

Anyways

[icy veldt]

Oh dang I just got a new Latin verb (flagrō, flagrāre) in my armarium

[wheat walrus]

🔥

[wanton pendant]

Armenia!?

[icy veldt]

Armarium - a cupboard or safe for storage

Aliquando in Latīnā scrībō

[wanton pendant]

Aqualad?!

[icy veldt]

Te coquam et edam

[wanton pendant]

I don't want any cheese, thanks.

[icy veldt]

(Latin for "I will cook and eat you")

[wanton pendant]

"Inedible. Known to cause mass hysteria, followed by leg spasms and internal thunderings."
Wouldn't reccomend.

[limpid saddle]

Ah damn i missed SMT discussion

[wanton pendant]

SMT discussion was one sentence.

[limpid saddle]

I could've made it a topic if i were there....

[fleet wedge]

And nebula would be night related?

[wanton pendant]

You said that already.

[split mortar]

I dont see how nebula is night related and i dont see how distortion is night related

[fleet wedge]

Alright then what are your suggestions?

[jaunty wraith]

Aernt nebulas just the remains of stars that went supernova?

[split mortar]

In real life

[jaunty wraith]

Wait isn't that what the astral infection is?

[wanton pendant]

That's the rotting corpse of a star.

[fleet wedge]

Yeah but we already have stardust fragments for this

[pliant ruin]

Wdym by "night"

like just. night time. or

[split mortar]

We dunno if nebula and stardust even have any actual relation to stars in calamity

[jaunty wraith]

Unless i see anything stating otherwise, I dont see why it wouldnt

[pliant ruin]

i mean yeah

solar fragments being related to primordial light becasue like

solar

sun

primordial light

sunlight

[jaunty wraith]

Where does vortex fit into this then?

[pliant ruin]

Idk if the others necessarily would ahve any of that

stardust could just have a high mana concentration given the association between stars and mana, i suppose

[split mortar]

Vortex warps gravity and may have portal connections so i see it very distortion related idk

[wanton pendant]

Nebula's the magic one.

Stardust is summoner.

[pliant ruin]

I'm aware

[jaunty wraith]

They both use mana

[wanton pendant]

But magic is more magic, if that makes sense.

Summoner is more magic adjacent.

[fierce pagoda]

I don't really buy that all summons are just mana constructs

[wanton pendant]

They're unpaid workers.

They get college credit or whatever Americans do.

[gritty kraken]

is nebulous core item name relevant to the lore chat

[wanton pendant]

It implies the devourer has a spore sac of some kind. I don't want to think on that any further.

[pliant ruin]

I mean they all do literally use mana to spawn

I imagine that most of them are albeit i think some of them like the draedon arsenal stuff is actually physical

Probably just need mana to operate instead

[fierce pagoda]

yeah i was thinking about the mechanical summons

it makes more sense of them to be actually physical than just mana constructs

[pliant ruin]

yeah id believe those are actually like physical things that rather than just being manifested from mana instead just like

need mana to operate

[fierce pagoda]

like that giant exo turret

that you can pick up and fire

[tropic oak]

frost dragon

[balmy glacier]

skibidi toilet dragon

[real glen]

frost dragon corpse in middle of snow biome

[fleet wedge]

Wasn't this discussed at some point?

[wanton pendant]

Gamer Dragon boss when?

[hoary berry]

i like to think that some summons are actual life-forms, like Belladonna Spirits and Finches, and the staves are used to control and move them rather than create them from mana
i haven’t thought much more about which summons might fit this and i don’t have any proof or anything, but i just find it boring for 95% of summons to just be. make something from mana. when i’m literally using animals to fight something half the time

[wanton pendant]

You're just chanelling your inner snow white.

[limpid saddle]

are you trying to shitpost or is this a raid

oh bot

[dusk laurel]

scam bots

[limpid saddle]

bot raid

thats a new one

[cloud ibex]

no not really

been happening for a while

[limpid saddle]

well relative to my lived experience it's new

[barren dirge]

im confused is yharim not evil

[young socket]

yharim is definitely evil

[split mortar]

Yharim is a racist genocidal fuck

Who believes he was in the right and has the charisma to try and make others think so

[young socket]

he only has one confirmed genocide hes not that bad

[split mortar]

Gods and ilmeris yeah only one

[buoyant solstice]

Actually I do think it’s interesting because

Old Duke Resprite looks a LOT like Betsy

[split mortar]

The resprite thats cancelled?

[buoyant solstice]

Wait huh???

[split mortar]

When fabsol exploded it was decided it werent good enough and got vaporised

[buoyant solstice]

Ahhh I see

[young socket]

old duke is being unfishroned

[long bloom]

duke of theseus

[wanton pendant]

We're not starting any more debates on the nature of evil and what qualifies as it, lest people think we are defending gigahitler, as it was put.

[buoyant solstice]

What do you think the lore of the Ice queen will be? She seems perfect as an elemental

But she also fights side by side with machines

[wanton pendant]

She's the Queen of the far flung kingdom of Sweden, as mentioned by the party girl. They party hard there.

[long bloom]

not canon

[wanton pendant]

Then what the hell is Sweden doing?

[buoyant solstice]

Actually shouldn’t it be canon?

We get like

A canon resource from it

[wanton pendant]

That's being removed.

[long bloom]

^

[buoyant solstice]

Oh

[wanton pendant]

Don't listen to the propaganda, Sweden is real and was the last bastion against Yharim and his crusade! Don't fall for the lies!

[buoyant solstice]

That's sad you can do so much cool lore shit with events like those

[long bloom]

and none of it will make any fucking sense at all

[buoyant solstice]

Draedon deserves christmas elves

[wanton pendant]

Even Yharim's not [festive] enough for that.

[buoyant solstice]

Christmas elves

Whoops

[wanton pendant]

Great, now I sound [jolly].

[buoyant solstice]

Santanks would be a Draedon invention for sure

[wanton pendant]

Fixed it.

[glacial rampart]

how do we canonize the fucking frankensteins monster

[buoyant solstice]

Maybe a similar process behind uhhhhh

Ravager

[wanton pendant]

Calamitas got bored while hiding from Yharim.

'Frank Intestine' is the affectionate nickname she gave them.

[random mulch]

nothing during the solar eclipse is real and you're just absolutely tripping

[wanton pendant]

She's really bad at spelling, so she wrote 'Frankenstein' on all their nametags.

That's why they're stronger then normal zombies, 'cause she's good at necromancy.

[buoyant solstice]

Eyezor could def be a calamity creation

Like I could see someone making it

[wanton pendant]

Swamp Thing is just some of the Ilmerians Calamitas fried.

[buoyant solstice]

Mothron is an ofshoot of Fishrons

[light linden]

my thought process exactly lmao

[split mortar]

Thats not very silly

[buoyant solstice]

Hey I mean if ofshoots of dragons can look like worms

Y'know

[wanton pendant]

You mean Wyrms.

I'd have gone with Mothron being Moths infected with the plague and they're trying to spread beyond the Jungle.

Just in an earlier stage of infection.

[buoyant solstice]

Or alternatively maybe they absorbed latent energy from the broken hero swords inside them

[wanton pendant]

So you could say it's like a friend to them.

[buoyant solstice]

Maybe they were blades from the dragon hunts

[wanton pendant]

Yharim would object to that being heroic.

[buoyant solstice]

Indeed

But they'd still be considered hero swords by those who partook in them

[icy veldt]

No, Yharim is Swedish himself. Source: it came to me in a dream

[wanton pendant]

That's Danish propaganda.

[cloud ibex]

too far man

too far

[wanton pendant]

What the hell did I do?

[icy veldt]

I literally had a dream where Yharim was shot and killed by one of his own soldiers while besieging the Norwegian fortress of Frederiksten, then his body, wearing his Auric Tesla armor, was carried back to Sweden as Calamitas and Permafrost stood aside and watched the procession like in the painting Bringing Home the Body of King Charles XII by Gustaf Cederström

[wanton pendant]

Nice to see Permafrost got her a pet dog.

[late forge]

is there a lore accurate reason as to why providence both exists in the underworld and hallow

i understand the former but why the hallow

[wanton pendant]

Because it's 'Pure'.

[late forge]

theres unicorns rainbows and a fucking sun goddess 😭

[late forge]

ah

[wanton pendant]

Purifying flame.

Holy flame, even.

[late forge]

because hallow is like the other guardian that takes over after wof

[long bloom]

no

[late forge]

like this should make sense

[wanton pendant]

But again, Hallow originally is meant to be extreme, overzealous light.

[long bloom]

it's mostly just gameplay

[late forge]

well can she get her holy ass downstairs im not trying to fight her twice for both wings and the ram

[wanton pendant]

Then there's Yharon, who is in the Jungle primarily because he used to be the 'Jungle Dragon', but now you can just say the symbolic 'Jungles represent vitality and he has power over rebirth.'

One of those things that had a better justification in the old lore but it hasn't been changed in gameplay for one reason or another.

[split mortar]

No its old lore remnants

Gonna be removed iirc

[wanton pendant]

Like, the new lore has it so Providence just shows up sometimes to attack armies unaware, and the only reason you can kill it is 'cause she gets overconfident, no reason as to why she would only do so in certain areas.

[late forge]

oh holy shit

[split mortar]

Yharon isnt in the jungle they removed that

[late forge]

and you can still provoke her with that guardian summon too right

old lore was kinda buns i cant even lie 😭

its not really there within the game unless you really look at the server

[split mortar]

The profaned guardians may be her lovers iirc (or they are atleast very close) so the fight is kinda personal

[late forge]

cause i didnt even know who silva braelor and stasis were until i looked up their lore because theyre not really like, hinted towards

[cloud ibex]

old lore didn't get much time to cook

[wanton pendant]

Oh the summon works anywhere now?

[split mortar]

Yeah yharon is anywhere

[wanton pendant]

Eh, it's still in the theme song. Can't really change the title now.

[cloud ibex]

they can

source: they did

[wanton pendant]

It's like how Stained, Brutal Calamity's lyrics reference her working for Yharim, even though she isn't anymore. But what maniac would want to remake Stained, Brutal Calamity.

Wait, they changed the song title?

[cloud ibex]

the only thing that still calls him a jungle dragon is rotjd

[wanton pendant]

Who?

[cloud ibex]

roar of the jungle dragon

[wanton pendant]

That's what I said, the theme song.

The title of the song.

[split mortar]

Only the song says it and its easy to say its wrong

[wanton pendant]

I'm saying they can't change the name of the song. I know he's not called the Jungle Dragon.

[split mortar]

👍

[unreal tiger]

What is yharim's sexuality

[fierce pagoda]

Bees and Dragons

[alpine jetty]

yharim a freak

[craggy jacinth]

this gives yharon's theme a new meaning

[scenic olive]

This a message to my master 😭

[real silo]

it is now 4 letters instead of 4 lines

r-e-a-d

[light linden]

oh hi cera

[craggy jacinth]

👋

[real silo]

Why the fuck did this send here

I sent it in spoiler talk????

weirdo app

[prime mauve]

Peak

[scenic olive]

Does Auric Dragons need to eat

do they have the same biological needs as any living creature

[lunar moth]

Do they poop?

[scenic olive]

Auric shit

[lunar moth]

It would unironically be stronger than some metals

These are the only real questions that should be asked about the lore

Anatomy

[buoyant solstice]

The old lore is so funny

"Oh fuck I almost died my whole family is dead, my pet dragon saved me and now I get to enact revenge and topple the people who hurt me

Okay now that it's over

TIME TO BECOME A DICTATOR"

[faint totem]

Auric Hitler

[buoyant solstice]

"hello people who had nothing to do with my family's death and are just sitting around

JOIN ME OR DIE"

New Yharim:

"I might have hurt a lot of people but I'd never force people to fight for me"

Old Yharim

"Oh you wanna leave Calamitas? I WILL CURSE YOU AND MAKE YOU GO INSANE"

actually a bit of a lore question

Yharim in the new lore says that

But then when Permafrost leaves, he orders Cal to kill him

Why?

[faint totem]

Old lore

[buoyant solstice]

No it was a new lore thing

Old lore is he sealed Permafrost away himself

[pastel bay]

Having a moment here and blanking on a name.
(Potentially) evil unknown entity who may or may not be the boss of DoG what was his name

[buoyant solstice]

Noxus

[pastel bay]

Thank you

[faint totem]

Hm

[buoyant solstice]

That's something that never sat right with me because it directly contradicts his mindset as it is established

New Yharim wouldn't put a hit out on someone for leaving, yet he did for Permafrost

Unless it's

"I would never shackle someone to fight in my name...I'll just kill them if they leave"

New Yharim is all for killing deserters but draws the line at slavery

[faint totem]

You mean extreme unpaid internship?

[spare pier]

It's more about choice

Permafrost made his choice by choosing to desert

[buoyant solstice]

Yes

But why then go after him?

[spare pier]

I mean it's still bad to let the guy who ran your empire for almost a century to just roam free when he actively is displeased with you

[buoyant solstice]

Oh so it's like out of fear he might establish an opposing force with his power and influence?

[long bloom]

would make sense

[spare pier]

Won't elaborate too much but I mean