lore-discussion

[alpine jetty]

IT

THIS IS WHAT SHE WAS DOING FFOR 6 YEAR

YEARS

MY VISION

[wanton pendant]

Couch got mouldy quick, so she had to get new cave.

Good thing she can fly.

[pliant ruin]

id say shes just like me fr

but

well

yknow

god i'm never gonna tired of this stupid fucking thing

[wanton pendant]

My question, is the hair natural for Azafurians, did she dye it or is she just like me, for real.

[young socket]

shes just you, for real

[wanton pendant]

That is to say, hair just did that.

[pliant ruin]

i assume azafurians probably just have grayish tones for their hair

something something influence of living in ash land

[wanton pendant]

Yharim was stressing her out man.

[alpine jetty]

she is exactly like me for real

[wanton pendant]

Broke, homeless, war criminal?

[pliant ruin]

her dialogue is literally partially based of me for real

the agenda

[wanton pendant]

Survival mechanism. He can't fit in the hole.

[long bloom]

lmao

[wanton pendant]

She's like, what, half his height, never gonna get in her gamer pad.

[pliant ruin]

i had calamitas fight a bear in a roleplay i'm in once

well not really fight

she just kinda scared it away

[wanton pendant]

How else would she get a cave.

[pliant ruin]

she was fishing and then the bear came in and was like grr so she just kinda scared it away with a spear made out of ice she made

[wanton pendant]

Gave her something to eat.

Ignore Yharim, he's ignoring his allies or something.

[long bloom]

do not the bnuuy

[wanton pendant]

She hasn't eaten in three weeks. It's her or the bunny.

[icy veldt]

She could just eat herself

[wanton pendant]

Law of thermodynamics, she'd make a loss.

[icy veldt]

She has magic, she'll live

[long bloom]

magic pancakes

[wanton pendant]

If Magic Pancakes was ever an option, she wouldn't be in this mess in the first place.

[long bloom]

[wanton pendant]

A girl's gotta eat, it's survival of the fittest, eat or be eaten. At least she'll have a friend inside her.

[icy veldt]

She needs to eat Yharim next

That'll be a lot of meat

[wanton pendant]

Thinking too small, chicken nuggets from Yharon.

[limpid saddle]

Supreme Calamitas & The Exo Mechs Vs Yharon & Yharim which tag-team do you think wins

[long bloom]

scal and exos

[wanton pendant]

I think, from how it's set up, pre exo suit Yharim was stronger then Calamitas and Exomechs individualy, but they could put up a fight, but after the boost they're screwed, unless they had decades to get stronger, and in that time Yharim would die of old age.

Working together they could put up a fight, Yharon basically just watches.

But I don't think Calamitas would want to work with Draedon.

[split mortar]

Yharim vs exos and scal rn is yharim getting folded

Scal has a decent chance to win still

The gap isnt that large

[wanton pendant]

On her own yeah she'd be screwed, it's way closer if she were working with Draedon.

[split mortar]

That exos or scal sre guaranteed fucked

Else uh the terrarian would be fucked

Exos rival yharim when he first got the exo upgrades

[wanton pendant]

Like, it feels that before he got the upgrade, give Calamitas a few years and she'd be able to take him reliably, but now it's way further.

[split mortar]

Its only been like a year max since that

[limpid saddle]

I think Exos & Calamitas put up a really good fight but Yharon & Yharim's 100 years of fighting together beats them out due to being better in tune with each other

[wanton pendant]

That and I doubt the mechs are really meant to work together.

I think Yharon is the weakest link, but he isn't a pushover either.

I mean, that's obvious, but still.

[split mortar]

Oh if its yharim and yharon vs those two fair

[wanton pendant]

Like, Calamitas and Draedon I don't think would be good at cooperating, Draedon dislikes others acting independently, and Calamitas likely just doesn't like him.

After the whole cloning thing.

[dusk laurel]

theres a friend in my boot

[wanton pendant]

Like, powers combined puts them comperable at bare minimum. But unless Draedon just gives her power armour, it's an uneasy alliance at best.

Like, I think before the upgrade, Calamitas COULD beat Yharim, but it's not in her favour, and she'd likely be badly injured if she were to win, if she had a bit more time to get stronger, then the odds would be way better, but the exo suit pushed him quite a big ahead, so now it's unfeasable, unless she had like, another decade.

[icy veldt]

CALAMITAS IN POWER ARMOR! That would be really cool

[split mortar]

Calamitas pre exo upgrade would likely have more raw power then yharim

[wanton pendant]

But Yharim would be the better fighter, with over a hundred years of extra experience, and better equipment.

[split mortar]

True

[wanton pendant]

Like, I'm gonna say Calamitas gets stronger faster, a lot faster, but he got a huge power boost. Again, I think pre-exo boost she could win, but it wouldn't be easy.

Give her say, a few years, and she'd wipe the floor with him.

Assuming he'd still be alive.

But now it's way more of a gap, so it's Terrarian or bust.

Or make an alliance with Draedon, and she almost certainly doesn't trust him.

[split mortar]

Didnt scal mainly grow in skill not raw power? Or am i misremembering something?

[wanton pendant]

I mean, she obviously got more skilled, and she went from accidently destroying part of a city trying to protect it to nuking like half of Italy, so it's not unreasonable to say her magic power has grown.

They don't specify, but obviously her magic abilities got better.

And they somewhat imply that it gets harder for her to use simpler magic as time goes on. Because of how much magic she has inside her.

Not much of a friend, huh?

[icy veldt]

I wonder if someone like Draedon, but better at interfacing magic with technology, might be able to invent a magical control limiter, like a shunt resistor in an electrical circuit

[wanton pendant]

You want to give Calamitas a shock collar?

Dude she's suffered enough.

[icy veldt]

No

I said like a shunt resistor in an electrical circuit, because it would operate on a similar principle, but for magical power instead of electric current

Not because it would be a literal shock collar

[icy veldt]

"Good idea!" - Yharim

[wanton pendant]

I mean, I'd argue Draedon knows a thing or two about magic, with those soul powered robots and magical energy detections.

[icy veldt]

Oh yeah I had forgotten about those. His stuff just doesn't normally use magical energy as the primary basis for its operation

[wanton pendant]

I'd assume it's 'cause machinary isn't meant to interface with magic, or it's not able to use it efficiently. Maybe if he got to space and touched the stars...

[split mortar]

Draedon also has weapons that use magic

[long bloom]

wulfrum prosthesis tooltip

[split mortar]

Why would stars change that?

[wanton pendant]

Stars are made of magic.

[split mortar]

Yes
And?

[wanton pendant]

So if he could harvest their resources...

Magic stuff?

He's gonna strip mine the sun the moment he figures out how.

[split mortar]

The sun is not a star

[long bloom]

the sun isn't mana

[icy veldt]

Wait WHAT?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

[wanton pendant]

He's gonna be so mad when he finds out.

[long bloom]

it's made of primordial light

[icy veldt]

Isn't that similar to mana, though?

[long bloom]

no?

[wanton pendant]

New plan, strip mine the sun for primordial light.

[icy veldt]

Being a form of magical energy?

[split mortar]

It seems to function similar but its different

[long bloom]

it's not magic energy

primordial light is definitionally just sunlight

[split mortar]

For one primordial light seems the main way to teleport

[wanton pendant]

And he wants to make teleporters, so sun time!

[split mortar]

Unlike mana where it seems much more difficult

[icy veldt]

Which the sun is made out of, and as far as I know is a potential source of magic power (Xeroc, Emps), and as far as I know is a form of energy. But it isn't a form of magic energy?

[split mortar]

Another thing is primordial light is well
Light
It travels fast af no matter what

[wanton pendant]

All I'm hearing is more reasons to strip mine the sun.

[split mortar]

You will explode

[long bloom]

i haven't heard of it having any magical properties

[wanton pendant]

Sun proof mining equipment.

[long bloom]

and i don't think RoD counts

[icy veldt]

Not inherently, then? Perhaps it makes magic more effective when combined with it

[split mortar]

I think by magical properties they just mean
Teleporting and stuff

And the copying bosses

[wanton pendant]

It's like Dark Link. But not... well... you get the idea.

[split mortar]

Also solar fragment gear i would say is magic like

-# solar frags are a unnatural primordial light

[long bloom]

oh yeah do we know why or how the solar pillar is primordial light yet

tf did fovos do

[wanton pendant]

Built different.

[split mortar]

Found another sun and ate it

[icy veldt]

His brother is the Sun Lord ||(jk)||

[wanton pendant]

Also fist fight dragons, so I don't know, maybe he shaved off a little of their souls.

[hallow timber]

terraria

[split mortar]

The pillars were there to help fight the dragons

So solar predates the dragon fight

[long bloom]

only zeratros's soul is of primordial light

[icy veldt]

I agree

[long bloom]

i mean is that confirmed

[hallow timber]

calamity

[wanton pendant]

One of the dragons he fist fought was Zeratros.

And soul shaving is a thing.

[split mortar]

And solar pillar is older then the fist fight

[wanton pendant]

Now I'm envisioning hairy souls, dear god.

[hallow timber]

what

[wanton pendant]

Moon Lord's legs are made of primordial light, that's why he took them off, to... uh... where was I going with this?

[icy veldt]

More like coins than hair

[wanton pendant]

So they can sell their souls?

Is that what happened to the Dragon of Capitalism?

[icy veldt]

More like currency exchange than sale

[long bloom]

again do we know that for certain

[split mortar]

Yes devs confirmed the pillars helped fight the dragons

Was said a while ago so quote is prob ass to find rn

[wanton pendant]

Zeratros shaves his soul to make pillar to beat up Cthulhu, obviously.

What else do you do on a Friday night?

Is there a lore reason why gay people can beat Yharim? Is he homophobic?

[cyan frigate]

He doesn't hurt animals

[split mortar]

yharim has very much done that

[limpid saddle]

wheres your proof

[wanton pendant]

He considers gods animals, he hurts them.

And green people.

[split mortar]

the level of destruction he has caused some animals are bound to have got hit by it

[long bloom]

he came to my house and punched my cat

[split mortar]

^

i was there

[wanton pendant]

Calamitas had a pet cat once, Yharim disposed of it, that's why she betrayed him.

Wait how the hell does Yharim see out of that helmet.

[untold oracle]

Instinct

[wanton pendant]

So, like, Spider Sense?

[pliant ruin]

i assume he just has a visor

[wanton pendant]

But like, where?

[split mortar]

Someone has the headcanon his eyes are replaced with cybernetics that let the man see out the helmet without the need for that

While not confirmed i do think its a neat headcanon thats relevant

[wanton pendant]

I guess that is one of the few cases where headcanon is the pertinent term.

[cloud ibex]

typa deal

[wanton pendant]

Monsoon.

[cloud ibex]

that is indeed monsoon well observed

[wanton pendant]

Who on Terraria gave Permafrost his title? Or is he just really self absorbed.

[cosmic zenith]

Monlate hasn't arrived yet

[wanton pendant]

What?

[cosmic zenith]

General consensus

In any field of science, there are individuals who stand out in terms of innovation or expertise

Permafrost is acknowledged by the scholars and practitioners of the magic arts as the most knowledgeable and skillful mage alive

[wanton pendant]

Who knew wizards were so meritocratic.

[cosmic zenith]

Tends to be the case in more science-inclined or otherwise methodic portrayals of a magic community

[wanton pendant]

So there's no magical institution giving out titles, and it isn't an official one, more so he's just known as 'The Archmage' out of respect?

[cosmic zenith]

There are probably several magical institutions, just not a centralized one

[wanton pendant]

Like, he doesn't have a P.H.D in Ice Magic, everyone just says he's the best, no Magic Harvard degree.

It's an honourary title, if anything, right?

[swift badger]

Out of the yharim gang which ones do you think would have the freedom leitmotif from deltarune

Like dog,scal, dreadon, yharim etc

[wanton pendant]

Calamitas, obviously.

[dull burrow]

Wasn't calamitas basically used as a living weapon of mass destruction in spite of her own will

I think it'd be her lol

[wanton pendant]

DoG is a servant to like, two different guys to various degrees of loyalty, Draedon is pro-slavery, Yharim is a tyrant, Calamitas has gotten her freedom.

[dull burrow]

Girl was a little coo coo crazy

[wanton pendant]

She's surviving on like pure determination at this point.

And Yharon is willingly a servant, so he'd make no sense either.

Calamitas chose freedom at great expense to herself.

[split mortar]

Yharon is not a servent

The guys yharims friend

[wanton pendant]

You know what I mean, he calls him his master in the theme song anyway.

[dull burrow]

I was about to say lol

[wanton pendant]

Or is it the Omni-Man approach, where Yharon's like a pet to him.

[swift badger]

I think Yharim would also have it because of his whole "freedom" thing

[split mortar]

No

[wanton pendant]

I was joking.

[split mortar]

Fate is for the weak or whatever

[swift badger]

They are more like friends

[wanton pendant]

Where one calls the other master, damn.

[swift badger]

Yeh

[wanton pendant]

What kind of friends do you guys have.

Whatever their relationship, Yharon is still a subordinate of some kind to Yharim, thus to some degree not 'free' as he would never go against him.

And, I guess Yharim is bound by his own wrath.

[cosmic zenith]

Weaver would be the most fitting Calamity character to get a freedom motif

[split mortar]

Will you elaborate

[cosmic zenith]

No :)

[wanton pendant]

No, I understand.

[split mortar]

Fuck you >:(

[cosmic zenith]

(Storm Weaver freed himself from Noxus' influence)

[swift badger]

Its a update leak trust

[wanton pendant]

It's kinda obvious, you know, with the implication.

[prime mauve]

Storm Weaver is certified American

[dull burrow]

I mean, I'm not sure if Yharim would be a fitting contender, since on the one hand, his actions have caused a great deal of pain and suffering, essentially having taken the freedom of many, but at the same time the Freedom motif is for the secret bosses who know the world for what it truly is, being a game, and are not duped by the illusory veil of the prophecy, which could potentially fit Yharim? If he knows that he's in a game?

[cosmic zenith]

He doesn't

No Calamity characters have such knowledge

[dull burrow]

Jevil solos Yharim real...?

[wanton pendant]

Come on guys, that was a bombshell, I can't be the only one who sees the vision?

[swift badger]

I dont see

[split mortar]

I doubt the secret bosses know they are in a game in the meta sense of irl

[wanton pendant]

It makes a lot of sense if you look at all the information we have about Storm Weaver, that and also they mentioned it a bit ago.

[swift badger]

The meta bosses might have been enlightened but idk if they know that they are in a game

[dull burrow]

Jevil does, Spamton maybe not but is aware of a higher being controlling Kris through their soul

[swift badger]

I think they know about the man who speaks in windings though

[wanton pendant]

Calamity isn't really a meta narrative.

[dull burrow]

Yeah Calamity doesn't follow that sort of narrative so it's a lot more difficult

[wanton pendant]

Calamitas isn't gonna look at the screen and say 'I know what you guys put on the internet, freak'

[split mortar]

Darkners are canonically not real since dark fountains teist what is and isnt so when outside the fountain they no longer are

They can know they are not real while still not knowing the meta onowledge

[swift badger]

Ohh

So are darkners only present when a lightner is there?

[dull burrow]

Yet the Prophecy affects both Lightners and Darkners and both of these forces exist in harmony, to say that Darkners straight up don't exist wouldn't exactly be true as it was stated multiple times that both of these worlds need eachother

[split mortar]

Dark worlds literally twist the truth its revealed in the beggining of ch3

[split mortar]

Negative light makes what isnt real happen in deltarune

[dull burrow]

This is what Ralsei tells you though, and there's a lot more to it than he lets on, which was the whole issue near the end of Ch4 too with the last part of the Prophecy

[wanton pendant]

Something something Storm Weaver.

[swift badger]

There are still 3 more chapters on thier way

There if definitely something more going on

[dull burrow]

How does Storm Weaver affect the political scene of Deltarune?

I think he's the Roaring Knight.

[wanton pendant]

Storm Weaver obtained freedom for itself.

Which of course means.

That Papyrus is the Knight.

[dull burrow]

I don't wanna be THAT guy but the weapon the Knight holds is ODDLY worm shaped

[swift badger]

Sans might be the knight

[wanton pendant]

Devourer of Gods, DoG, Dog, annoying dog.

[dull burrow]

Also, the Knight throws projectiles, just like storm weaver.......

[dull burrow]

It all makes sense.

Toby Fox has married the Devourer of God, and Storm Weaver is their lovechild, who went missing and became the Knight. This is peak calamity lore.

[wanton pendant]

I knew it.

[dull burrow]

I REALLY think the calamity devs should hire me as a lore writer.....

[split mortar]

Ehat did i return to

[swift badger]

The pieces are all coming together

[wanton pendant]

Storm Weaver is peak storytelling, these mortals simply don't see the vision.

[dull burrow]

And this is why Pomni's symbolism of the second coming of Christ was in fact foreshadowing Yharim's rise to power

[swift badger]

Yo are not onto something You are ON something

[dull burrow]

We've just cracked the code.. this truly was our... Codebreaker

[wanton pendant]

Storm Weaver will obviously be of at least symbolic importance in the future, most likely to show that Noxus is not unbeatable.

[cosmic zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/frieren-sip-frieren-sipping-tea-book-gif-1603575268151458399

[wanton pendant]

How racist would she be to Calamitas?

[cosmic zenith]

Not at all

[split mortar]

Calamitas is human not demon

[cosmic zenith]

Azafurians aren't Demons

[dull burrow]

This took a sharp turn

[wanton pendant]

I know, but she doesn't know that.

[swift badger]

She can probably tell

[split mortar]

Still
Calamitas shows actual human emotions and stuff

Im sure ms 1000+ year old will notice that

[wanton pendant]

To my knowledge it was at least 2000.

I don't know, I didn't get that far.

[dull burrow]

Should we delve into a powerscaling discussion of Frieren vs Calamitas or are we good

-# I think Calamitas solos but what do I know

[wanton pendant]

I'm just gonna say, Calamitas would be stronger, but the fight would end after she uses necromancy, because that's more magic then demons use, and also necromancy doesn't exist in the elf's world.

[swift badger]

💔

[wanton pendant]

'Cause they only use one kind, and using Brimstone AND Necromancy would be a big sign of not demonness.

[split mortar]

Frieren can prob win with a spell that bypasses the shield if its posible

Cause scal is just 🧍‍♀️ physically iirc

[wanton pendant]

Piercing rounds don't insta kill Calamitas.

It'd be a bit anti-climatic.

[dull burrow]

I mean all mages are weak physically

[split mortar]

They dont go through the shield obviously

Tho yeah uh scal prob has the power advantage

Shout out to vaporising like half of italy

In a few days to weeks

[wanton pendant]

Somewhere between half to three quarters of Italy.

[dull burrow]

She what

[wanton pendant]

In an indeterminate amount of time.

[swift badger]

Shout out to Yharim for teaching her that

[wanton pendant]

That's the ballpark of Ilmeris' size.

[split mortar]

Ilmeris is like italy sized

And she boiled half to two thirds of it

[dull burrow]

OH 😭😭

[split mortar]

In few days to weeks

[swift badger]

Big fish soup

[dull burrow]

My ass was like "wtf did italians do to piss her off like that" 😭

[split mortar]

She was sent to kill two gods and came back with a country wiped off the planet

[wanton pendant]

Bigger then Portugal, but smaller then Italy, no clear answer yet, but yeah, it was intense.

[split mortar]

When she was like 15

[split mortar]

and is now late twenties

[wanton pendant]

No kill like overkill, but also it sounds like that was one of the last things she did based on other statements, which would make it early twenties, unless I'm missing something.

Like, 21-22.

I keep seeing conflicting estimates.

[split mortar]

Afaik the timeline is

Scal preteen to youg teen burns azafure and joins yharim
Mid teens vaporises ilmeris
Around 18 left
Fights player 27-28

Yharim did not groom an adult to kill people it was a minor

[wanton pendant]

Yeah, but it says she served for nearly a decade, and as a teen, so earliest is 13. Five years is not 'almost' a decade, it's half.

[split mortar]

Hence why i included preteen

[wanton pendant]

I generally put it around nine years, give or take, to be safe, so around 22, give or take.

But I'm sure I saw it said that she joined the fight as a teen.

[swift badger]

Its not a foreign concept for yharim to use child soldiers

[wanton pendant]

'After inheriting nigh limitless magical power as a mere teenager, she was recruited into Yharim's army, where she served for nearly a decade.'

So she got the power at least at 13, then fought shortly afterwards.

So around early twenties being when she left makes the most sense.

[tropic oak]

hi

[swift badger]

Wait so if she left before she fights us why does she fight us?

[split mortar]

Hello creature

[split mortar]

Thinks we are yharim 2

[wanton pendant]

She's trying to stop us from becoming Yharim 2.

[swift badger]

Oh

[wanton pendant]

'The Witch will not let it happen once again'

[split mortar]

Trans people control slime

[wanton pendant]

Loading screen tip.

[swift badger]

Fr

[split mortar]

😭

[swift badger]

Also why does Yharim keep contacting the player with those boss lore items

[faint totem]

They do have magic

[split mortar]

We dunno
A proposed change to the lore items would be that we contact yharim (through a rock) and because being able to talk through the aerie is surprising as fuck yharim just kinda rolls with it iirc

[wanton pendant]

Like the gossip stones from wind waker.

[swift badger]

Yharim is so bored he talks with a person through a rock

[warm gull]

this shit so fire

[wanton pendant]

Ain't that what you're doing?

[split mortar]

Yhalk yho yharim yhrough yhe yhrock

[swift badger]

Yhalkophone

[swift badger]

The smoke gets me bro

The image of Yharim standing in a dark loading screen with smoke sounds tuff

[hoary cape]

Skyrim calamity mod

[wanton pendant]

You would need to get rid of all the dragons. What would even be the point at that point.

Unless we're just gorging ourselves on auric souls and become Yharim's worst nightmare.

[icy veldt]

I think they might be friends, not enemies, once they got to know each other

[wanton pendant]

She finally has someone to tell her sob story (It's her entire life (It was really bad(Like seriously like one good thing happens to her)))

[icy veldt]

She really needs a hug 😔

[wanton pendant]

She needs a therapist.

But yes.

When's the hug update.

[icy veldt]

Head-patting update

[hoary cape]

Yharim just spawns in Skyrim and is at peace

[wanton pendant]

Yeah but then you risk impaling your hand.

[split mortar]

[hoary cape]

Then realizes that while there are like 50 dragons alive the gods still killed most of them

[split mortar]

[wanton pendant]

Nah, he'd then try to kill all the Daedric princes.

There's way more then 50.

[hoary cape]

I mean I am with him on that part most of them suck

[wanton pendant]

Like, a huge amount, they reincarnate unless dragonborn kills them.

Which is kinda the same as his world, except anyone can take the soul, not just the dragonborn.

He'd probably think Alduin was cool for a bit 'cause he's like Yharon in the whole rebirth department.

[hoary cape]

Yharim when he sees you kill a dragon and then absorb it soul like it was nothing

"I know this isn't my world, but you have chosen death"

[wanton pendant]

Then he gets sent flying fifty meters frome the thuum

[hoary cape]

Would yharim team up with alduin

[wanton pendant]

I'd say no, 'cause Alduin he'd probably see as a tyrant akin to the gods (ironic) and he doesn't want to end the world.

But before he learned that he'd think he was cool, again, he's similar in ability to Yharon.

You know, raising dragons from the dead, can't really die himself.

[hoary cape]

What named Skyrim Dragon would yharim be most likely to team up with

Sometimes you are just chilling and a random dragon shows up and it happens to be named. I am not sure if that's like random or if it's only in specific areas those named ones show up

The first named one I fight always seems to be in completely random areas so that's why I don't know

[light linden]

prolly durneviir

[hoary cape]

Do not know which dragon that is

Haven't gotten that far into Skyrim the few times I have played

[light linden]

I uh

so basically

he's a weird half ghost dragon

asks the dragonborn in the dawnguard dlc to please let him out of basically hell every once in a while and will teach you parts of a shout if you do so

he's basically dragon calamitas in lore

[hoary cape]

Oh it's a dlc dragon

I have played with that dlc along with the one that allows you to build a home lol

[light linden]

he's also seemingly unable to be mind controlled which is something unique to him and alduin

[hoary cape]

I spent most of my time in Skyrim trolling

And dying because of said trolling

Okay actually that's a lie I didn't do that very often. I just go about doing missions and end up using a bow a lot because bow is just the best way to clear enemies

Last time I remember playing was on PC and I have no clue what I did, but last time on console I remember I went to morrowind as an argonian which is clearly a good idea. They totally don't dislike argonians there

[scenic olive]

Plaguebringer Goliath

Its kinda crazy just how draedon can easily turn Queen Bee into an machine killing nanobot infested abomination

it went from fodder boss to plantera level threat

Exo Mechs being the improved version of Trio Mech is on par with Scal really shows the brilliance of his mind

With time and enough resource, would he theoretically beat Xeroc?

[long bloom]

not a chance

[light linden]

I'm pretty sure there's a chance

might be hundreds of years from now but if he's this close in comparison right now he likely could beat him eventually

[long bloom]

i mean
draedon's literal magnus opus isn't that close to surpassing primordial wyrm, and their bestiary says they get orbital striked by xeroc

[light linden]

also uh

at least in theory if draedon is able to figure out how to stop auric from shocking things, either with the help of yharon or something else

I feel like his exo mechs would be dramatically more durable

[hoary cape]

Xeroc would not let another being approach his power level that's too much of a threat for him to let exist

[light linden]

ehh

[long bloom]

what about noxus

xeroc seems fine with them

[light linden]

I feel like that's overstepping a bit

[hoary cape]

I don't know if he can go to the distortion

Plus noxus isn't a threat at the moment bro is just chilling

[long bloom]

not a threat the same way a poorly wired building is safe

[hoary cape]

Draedon would probably be a threat if he built xeroc level stuff lol

[long bloom]

it is until it's not

[hoary cape]

I mean maybe he can't actually get into the distortion

And has to wait for the thing to leave

[light linden]

assuming xeroc isn't at the highest echelon of power possible, there's a good chance more and more things will get closer to xeroc's power more frequently

since there's what 4 people that are at least vaguely close?

and an angry worm

[long bloom]

it never would have stood a chance

[hoary cape]

Xeroc could still kill them relatively easily so it's not close

[light linden]

actually this reminds me of something I've been wondering for a while

has it ever been specified if Zeratros was the strongest thing on the planet at the time or just the strongest dragon?

well aside from Fovos I mean

[long bloom]

if it's been specified i sure haven't seen anyone mention it again ever

[light linden]

because if it's the latter that kinda messes with this assumption

[long bloom]

the primordial wyrm has to be older than the auric dragons right

[light linden]

wait is it former or latter that is the last thing said?

[light linden]

maybe?

[long bloom]

like that's its whole thing

[crimson harbor]

Latter

Latter refers to the last thing said

[light linden]

I thought it was just an old wyrm that was stronger than the rest because of silva's blessing

[long bloom]

i mean
the word primordial means "the oldest thing possible" basically

[light linden]

yeah but we might just be naming that ourselves

[long bloom]

oh god damn it

[light linden]

and one of the very few canon things about us is that we're bad at naming

so unless a dev says otherwise

idk

[long bloom]

ig the bestiary says the auric dragons are its brethren

but then why is it special other than the blessing

[light linden]

hell if I know

eidolon wyrms are pretty strong though

even the usual variety seem stronger than plantera level which means they're stronger than most auric dragons

[real silo]

it's a primordial wyrm because it's the first wyrm

[long bloom]

i don't think wyrms are stronger than dragons

[light linden]

I mean

[real silo]

And the first dragon offshoot

[light linden]

didn't one of the devs say that most of the auric dragons were as strong as plantera?

[long bloom]

isn't old duke the first offshoot though

[real silo]

Idk

[scenic olive]

Yet he doesnt care about the risks noxus poses

[real silo]

They can be old together

[long bloom]

they can't both be first

[light linden]

I mean

twins

[hoary cape]

yah, but if he can't get into the distortion it's not like he can even do anything to stop him

it's not directly threatening at the moment

[long bloom]

that's stoopid

[cosmic zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/doma-upper-moon2-demon-slayer-gif-22670248

[light linden]

hi stip

[cosmic zenith]

Hello

[light linden]

I have another dumb question

[long bloom]

stip please save us from debate hell

[light linden]

did the terrarian name the primordial wyrm?

[cosmic zenith]

Taking into account Old Duke as the oldest Fishron, Primordial Wyrm is, in fact, older

[cosmic zenith]

Unclear

[long bloom]

old duke isn't a fishron anymore tho

[light linden]

please stip

[cosmic zenith]

Not much is known about how much knowledge the player has so

[light linden]

throw me a bone

[cosmic zenith]

It's up in the air

[scenic olive]

Does the player magically knows how to build crazy weapon or are they just genius

[cosmic zenith]

The new ideas are still being polished and will take a while to get anything solid ingame so....

[long bloom]

👍

[cosmic zenith]

Up to headcanon/interpretation

[scenic olive]

L ast time i check in terms of pure Weaponary Terrarian are more advanced than Yharim

[long bloom]

THE TERRARIAN I

[cosmic zenith]

But I personally see it as a matter of intuition + trial and error

[cosmic zenith]

How so?

[light linden]

I'm still curious about what would yharim do if we absorbed yharon's soul

I imagine try to kill us

[cosmic zenith]

Nothing

He'd fry inside his armor and die without an attunement

[long bloom]

auric springlock

[light linden]

oh right

[scenic olive]

Im guessing Yharim always uses the same weapon because hes damn strong he doesnt need to upgrade them

[hoary cape]

I guess killing yharon doesn't break his attunement even though it no longer allows him to slow age

[cosmic zenith]

He does have a single actual weapon, but he doesn't attack solely with it
Besides, it's not like he just became satisfied with subpar gear because his strength was enough

[hoary cape]

Kills yharon and then yharim just starts frying

[light linden]

still if he somehow didn't get auric springlocked would he immediately start going to kill us?

[cosmic zenith]

I feel like killing Yharon doesn't impact Yharim's aging tbh

[scenic olive]

well im just comparing the gear and tech terrarian has

[cosmic zenith]

And the attunement is still there because Yharon's soul is

[cosmic zenith]

I think so, yeah

[hoary cape]

I always thought him saying goodbye was because he would be dead regardless if we didn't kill him or not

[light linden]

god this is reminding me of a dumb idea

[hoary cape]

Of old age

[light linden]

auric coin gun

[cosmic zenith]

Correct

But he's just reached that age

[hoary cape]

Oh so like 130 is like his max age with the attunement

[cosmic zenith]

He'd die within a decade even if Yharon was still alive

[alpine jetty]

DRAEDONNNNNNNNNNNN HELP MEEEEEE

[hoary cape]

Does that mean that when we kill him it will be revealed that he looks like an old man

[alpine jetty]

i will put you back together.

[hoary cape]

Or does the attunement just keep him looking young until he just dies

[cosmic zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/denken-young-old-young-and-old-old-and-young-gif-15074281312098563127

[light linden]

he's burned by the lava

[long bloom]

yharim's face will explicitly never be revealed

[hoary cape]

I am taking his helmet off you can't stop me

It's my trophy

[cosmic zenith]

I'd say his looks are fairly preserved, as if he was in his 40s-50s

[hoary cape]

Well a burn victim

[cosmic zenith]

But he'd age quite quickly near his death

[hoary cape]

Unless he healed from those

[cosmic zenith]

Not entirely imo

It would be funny as fuck if Yharim's mane thing was just a bigass moustache he grew

[hoary cape]

I think that's just a plume lol

[cosmic zenith]

Yeah, definitely

Leaving such extensive hair exposed is a terrible idea

[hoary cape]

Why does he have such a long one though doesn't it get in the way

Imagine fighting and your plume just blows in your face

[scenic olive]

Does he turn into dust

[cosmic zenith]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[scenic olive]

Yharification

[hoary cape]

He explodes with the power of friendship

What that entails I don't know

Kill yharon and then emote on him and just live in the dragon Aiere and wait for yharon to return

He will be your friend now

[light linden]

do kinda wonder

what is yharon gonna do after yharim dies?

keep tryna kill us?

[glacial rampart]

hes like peak condition until the last year of his life where it all catches up

[light linden]

keep trying to kill gods?

[scenic olive]

bro finally learn that his crusade will amount to nothing yet he still hold to his principle

[sinful adder]

I want to know because it will be quite the change for him

[scenic olive]

[sinful adder]

A writer could make a whole story about this

[warm gull]

what happens if you kill calamitas

[spring helm]

she dies

[real glen]

she dies

[hoary cape]

she lives

[light linden]

She finds a bnnuy

[hoary cape]

she becomes a bunny

[pliant ruin]

@visual kiln

[river island]

Is yharim the true final boss

[long bloom]

yes and no

he's the final boss of the main storyline

but if the devs still want to work on the mod after adding him, they might add noxus and xeroc as optional post yharim superbosses

but they won't be part of the main story

[visual kiln]

me

i am a bunny

[dusk laurel]

p why are you kris dreemurr undertale what is the meaning of this

[cedar fox]

yharon killed zeus?

[somber wren]

I'm sure there was a god of the Skies and they he might be dead, but I don't think it was Zeus.

[scenic olive]

It was John Electron

Brother of John Wulfrum

[wanton pendant]

Honestly, after that bombshell from yesterday, I'm now way more invested in Storm Weaver as a character.

[paper spindle]

What bombshell?

I was outside the blast radius

[wanton pendant]

Bascially, Storm Weaver escaped the influence of Noxus, which poses for some interesting questions about the nature of the distortion.

[paper spindle]

:0

Wut

That means

[wanton pendant]

Well, most things in the Distortion are part of a hive mind. By the looks of things, DoG and Signus are not part of it, but are still subjects to Noxus, but Storm Weaver not only isn't, but actually escaped.

[paper spindle]

Draedon was wrong in his assumption that they were a sort of hivemind

[wanton pendant]

Well, DoG functions just fine outside of distortion, so the idea of it having intelligent life isn't compeletly new.

Same with Signus.

But everything else we know of is either part of a hivemind, loyal to some degree to Noxus, or Storm Weaver.

[paper spindle]

Wouldn't that just make noxus an entity of influence

[wanton pendant]

Which also implies Storm Weaver is more intelligent then would seem.

[paper spindle]

Too bad we just murk him like the easy worm he is

He's imo the easiest of the three

[wanton pendant]

I kinda want to spare him after that.

Let us befriend the worms!

[paper spindle]

WaterwraithGaming tried to spare the enemy. But it's name was not YELLOW

[wanton pendant]

But simply, it leads further implication that Noxus is not of the distortion, but instead a subjugator. If he truly is a god (consumed auric souls) he probably would have to, and Storm Weaver may be one of the few, if only ones that didn't bend the knee.

[paper spindle]

Yeah that's what I meant

[paper spindle]

*if not the only one

[wanton pendant]

Considering Storm Weaver seems to wear Cosmilite, it also implies they allied with Yharim, which may have been a survival tactic to prevent DoG from attacking, under the basis of them being allies under Yharim, and thus killing them would anger Yharim.

Who is stronger then the nameless serpent.

Also, him being nameless also does lead into the whole puppet of Noxus thing.

[mighty zenith]

Storm Weaver hasn't allied with anyone

it's basically a wild animal

[paper spindle]

Yeah since when was storm weaver said to have worked under Yharim?

[wanton pendant]

Well, then where's the armour from?

[mighty zenith]

I'm pretty sure it's natural armor

[paper spindle]

Idk natural plating?

[mighty zenith]

the armored shells you get from it aren't cosmilite

[wanton pendant]

I was about to say it could be a thick hide.

[paper spindle]

Oh yeah that right

[wanton pendant]

It's interesting though, since they must be harder since Storm Weaver is near invulnerable.

[mighty zenith]

it'll make more sense once weaver gets properly reworked

i imagine

[wanton pendant]

Storm Weaver doesn't want to be a worm on a string.

Do we actually know approximately how intelligent Storm Weaver is?

[mighty zenith]

we know it "lacks higher purpose" so it seems to just run on survival instincts

i'd assume its about as intelligent as a predator animal like a shark or smth

[wanton pendant]

Maybe it's like a dolphin, intelligent but does what it wants.

Like some kind of... Freedom...

[mighty zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/marvel-fan4stic-fantastic-four-the-thing-say-that-again-gif-9345984830195785978

[wanton pendant]

Perhaps that could be... a Motif...

[gritty kraken]

Weaver shell being more durable than DoG cosmilite armor is so cool

[wanton pendant]

I do have an insane theory that I know isn't that likely but it's that the whole Storm Weaver and DoG aren't the same species is a gonna loop back into they WERE the same species, but DoG made some kind of deal with Noxus for power, and is now physically and biologically unrecognisable. But that's just a Theory...

[mighty zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/say-that-again-gif-968943876633031890

[wanton pendant]

I mean, it's indicated that godly power warps the body, so the idea that it would leave you fundamentally unrecognisable from your original species isn't that outlandish.

I mean, look at Slime God.

[limpid saddle]

but Noxus isnt a God

I get the angle you're going for but the only source of information we have on these kind of transformations is God & God approximates (Profaned Guardians)

Also to tack on something I know alot of my interactions with you have been kind of negative & its not a personal thing im just kind of guy that interrogates a theory alot

you are free to hold that against me

[cedar fox]

what if yharon didn't kill zeus

[limpid saddle]

do you mean like the greek god

[cedar fox]

worm zeus

from space

[limpid saddle]

???

Astrum Deus?

Yharon didnt kill any of those guys, assuming they're a species like Dreadon hypothesizes

We only kill the one & thats because it has space rabies

[cedar fox]

it shoots electric balls

he is a friend of the devourer worm

yharon killed Zeus Worm

[limpid saddle]

Astrum Deus is completely unrelated to the Devourer Of Gods

[cedar fox]

who is noxus

is he related to devourer worm

?

[limpid saddle]

basically the lord of the Distortion

he's DoGs boss

[cedar fox]

he is stronger than angel boss

[limpid saddle]

He isnt a God though

[cedar fox]

with black cube

[limpid saddle]

Nameless Deity isn't canon

[cedar fox]

on head

[limpid saddle]

If it's not from Calamity itself it doesn't count

Not even stuff made by Cal devs like Catalyst counts

[cedar fox]

i saw new mechaboss

he can stopping time

[limpid saddle]

thats from Wrath Of The Gods too

Also is not canon

In Calamity canon there are only 3 Exo Mechs

[mighty zenith]

sisyphean task

[cedar fox]

I hear they want change meat robot

destroyer

[limpid saddle]

???

[mighty zenith]

incomprehensible

[limpid saddle]

Uh no Destroyer isn't getting reworked

[mighty zenith]

may god have mercy on your wretched soul

[limpid saddle]

calamity generally avoids modifying base-game bosses except for A.I tweaks

They're reworking the Calamity worm bosses if thats what you mean

We're getting a new Desert Scourge

[cedar fox]

I heard moonlord is strongest

is he stronger than noxus

?

[limpid saddle]

That is true, but only before his legs got ripped off

Post-legs ripped off Moonlord isnt, but pre-legs ripped off Moonlord is

Only Xeroc is stronger than Moon Lord in his prime

[cedar fox]

who is it

[limpid saddle]

Xeroc is the God of Primordial Light

He's the first God that consumed Zeratros, the king of the dragon's soul

[cedar fox]

is he the opposite of noxus?

[limpid saddle]

Not necessarily

But he is trying to hunt down Noxus, because all his Distortion shenanigans are a threat to the world

If you read certain boss lore items, it tells you that whenever the DoG eats a God, their essence disappears

It's believed their essence goes to Noxus, & he's been gathering it to fufill a mysterious scheme

[cedar fox]

yharim want kill noxus?

[limpid saddle]

It's unknown what Yharim's motivations would be toward Noxus

But he seems frightened by the idea of his existence

(Read the Ceaseless Void lore item for the source on that)

Nobody actually knows that Noxus exists outside of the Distortion bosses & probably Xeroc

The same goes for Xeroc except the only people that know about him are Yharim & Yharon

[cedar fox]

i think noxus is strong

[limpid saddle]

Yeah he's like the third strongest character

The top 3 are

1. Xeroc
2. Prime Moon Lord/Fovos
3. Noxus

Last I recall anyway

[alpine jetty]

we know like nothing about noxus tho

just that theyre a chud in the distorton

[cedar fox]

i saw noxus is black portal

and white spider

[alpine jetty]

what

[limpid saddle]

No thats also Wrath Of The Gods

Thats uh

whats his name

[alpine jetty]

ohh yea thats not canon

[limpid saddle]

Avatar Of Emptiness thats it

Yeah he's a completely seperate character from Noxus

[fleet wedge]

Wait since when did ML get a name?

[cloud ibex]

for a while now

not mentioned anywhere in-game just in here

[fleet wedge]

In here you mean in the mod?

[limpid saddle]

No as in within the server

in-game would mean in the mod

[split mortar]

Fovos and moonlord are equally valid ways of reffering to the thing

[fleet wedge]

But we all know that his real name is

[glass birch]

steve the consumer of terraria vs guy with a coin gun

[fleet wedge]

"You're Steve" - Arkhayla to ML, probably

[jaunty wraith]

Can I call him calamari man?

[split mortar]

Persmaps

[wanton pendant]

Of course I'm not gonna hold it against you, I was doing the same thing anyway, and you never gave off the impression of negativity, at least to me.

[fleet wedge]

No we already have a weapon for this

[light linden]

@manic coral got time for a question?

[scenic olive]

John Wulfrum vs Steve Lord

[pliant ruin]

Do note Fovos is just as much of a name as Moon Lord is

neither are his "real" name

They're just different titles given by the people who know about it

[hoary cape]

I doubt bro has a name

[limpid saddle]

I mean yeah he emerged from space probably some kind of evil space rock egg & started killing people for funsies

[somber wren]

Other than raw power, what's the difference between the Primordial light of the Solar Pillar, and natural Primordial light like stuff the Empress of Light calls upon during the day?

[hoary cape]

Isn't the solar pilar literally just part of moon lords army

I don't think it's actually like connected to the primordial light

[long bloom]

it's the same

[hoary cape]

I guess maybe it is

[split mortar]

Nope

[long bloom]

no it's made of primordial light

[hoary cape]

I wonder if Fovos used the pillars when he first invaded terraria or if that's just what he used now

[split mortar]

Solar pillar does control primordial light

[split mortar]

Confirmed it was used when invading dragons
Its how we found out the pillars help moonlord

^

[long bloom]

explain

[split mortar]

Oops pings

Solar fragments are different enough jared doesnt detect them as primordial light

[hoary cape]

So I guess moon lord is sentient enough to know to use an army

I wasn't sure if he was just a rampaging alien or if it was actually somewhat intelligent

[somber wren]

That may also be that Jared is only programmed to attack if you have Chaos form.

[split mortar]

Maybe the theory of pillars being of conquered planets is accurate

[split mortar]

Thats a out of universe reasoning

[hoary cape]

Imagine if Fovos had succeeded in conquering terraria I wonder what terraria's pillar would entail lol

[split mortar]

The in lore reason is
Jared can detect the primordial light used by rod of discord as primordial light
Cant detect solar frags as primordial light

[light linden]

bnnuy pillar

[split mortar]

Uhh
Auric pillar

[long bloom]

hopefully they come up with a less shitty hamfisted explanation in the future

[split mortar]

I disagree that it is bad

[hoary cape]

Jared hates primordial light because he hates xeroc for using it instead of dragons obviously

Or anyone else for that matter

[split mortar]

I dont see the issue of fucking PRIME MOONLORD being able to twist primordial light into a unfamiliar state

[limpid saddle]

I wonder if Fovos conquered Terraria if he would rule it or just fuckin destroy everything

[long bloom]

rod of discord being primordial light makes no sense

[split mortar]

??

[long bloom]

they should just disable it in the abyss and add a new spawn method

[limpid saddle]

chaos elementals just kinda exist

[somber wren]

Rod of Discord is what makes Jared rock your shit because he thinks it's Primordial Light.

[limpid saddle]

i dont see why they'd be super crazy in relevance to Primordial Light

[long bloom]

yes i know

[somber wren]

But why?.

Even the Empress of Light only wields it during the day, not just while in the hallow.

So why would chaos elementals who live exclusively underground, away from the primordial light have a thing that is associated with primordial light.

[split mortar]

Likely explained in sso

[limpid saddle]

they suckle on it during the day like bees then scamper underground into the figurative hive

[split mortar]

The hallowed is a giant leaf

[limpid saddle]

Could also be an Empress association

It'd be neat if they were like her servants she infused with Primordial Light or something

Also would explain why they're bald & insane & attack you on sight

[somber wren]

I thought the giant leaf was in the abyss in a state of permanent dying like the Neverborn.

[wanton pendant]

Maybe they're worshippers of Xeroc who did something or other to become like them.

[limpid saddle]

but nobody knows Xeroc exists

Except like 3 people

[wanton pendant]

Chaos Elementals just figured it out, you know. Something something chaos.

[wanton pendant]

That is a lake.

[hoary cape]

Primordial wyrm is pretty old maybe Jared knows about xeroc

[wanton pendant]

Drinking buddies back in the day.

Then Xeroc went sober.

[limpid saddle]

thats why i had the 3...

y'know that arent dead or

technically dead but really lobotomized

[somber wren]

I think it might be even more instinctive than that.

Just a gut feeling of "I don't know who that guy is, but screw that guy" when it sees the faintest emanation of stolen light.

[wanton pendant]

Wyrm is just racist to light.

[somber wren]

I mean maybe, it does live in the deepest darkest part of the ocean that's a stones throw away from being in hell

[wanton pendant]

Where it gets to breathe in those fumes. Probably sounds like a 20 a day smoker.

[hoary cape]

Xeroc when he goes to drink with Jared and Jared refuses because he thinks Xeroc betrayed Jared's relatives

[pliant ruin]

silva and xerox divorced headcanon

call that ship photosynthesis

[young socket]

_ _

[hoary cape]

empty message

[young socket]

thats because im showing off a past message,,

[hoary yoke]

Sup

How did the people of Azafure survive the harsh environment of hell?
(before calamitas fought with the BE.)

[long bloom]

i'm actually not entirely sure, but based on the underworld lore item it was significantly less bad in the past

[hoary yoke]

Oh

Okay then.

[hoary cape]

They are built for it obviously

[long bloom]

now i'm wondering too bc like

crags lava is literally hotter than the sun
(the calamity sun is significantly less hot than the irl one but still)

[hoary cape]

Maybe the azafurians have devil ancestry

Therefore giving them lava protection

[long bloom]

would make sense

[split mortar]

Counterpoint
Life in calamity just seems to be a lot hardier then irl

[hoary cape]

Some azafurians have horns if you go by scal

[hoary yoke]

Now it explains the horns present on calamitas and her brothers

And also on the sephulcar summon. The head has horns.

[long bloom]

i don't think the sepulcher is azafurian

[hoary yoke]

Dude

[hoary cape]

The sepulcher is just a necromancy monster

[hoary yoke]

Oh

[split mortar]

Sepulchre is 5000 dead people corpses idk if it counts as a single race

[hoary yoke]

Here's something yall don't count

The scorched bones block.

[long bloom]

oh yeah what's the deal with those

[hoary yoke]

Placing them down they look like a pile of bones

Probably unfortunate victims caught between scal and the elemental fight

[long bloom]

the victims are scryllars and heat spirits

[hoary yoke]

And the warlocks

[long bloom]

right those guys

[hoary yoke]

They are souls

[hoary cape]

I mean those are ghosts if their bodies weren't incinerated there would probably still be bones

[long bloom]

ig but that doesn't explain the giant spine trees

[hoary yoke]

Speaking of wich, do yall think anyone survived or is calamitas the last of her race?

[hoary cape]

Natural trees

[long bloom]

the guide is azafurian

[hoary yoke]

Probably dates back to the draconic era

[hoary yoke]

How

[long bloom]

fym how

[split mortar]

Some azafurians def existed outside azafure when the place exploded

[long bloom]

he just is

[split mortar]

The guy lived there before it went boom

[hoary yoke]

Elaborate

[long bloom]

the guide is from azafure

there's literally nothing to elaborate on

that's it

[split mortar]

It was not a 100% fatality incident

Some did survive

[hoary yoke]

Okay I'll bite, but how did he climb out of the shit hole?

[hoary cape]

Same way you get in

[long bloom]

the same way anyone else did

[hoary cape]

Rope

[split mortar]

Caves and digging

[icy veldt]

Maybe when Scal was unwittingly leeching from Brimmy's magic, some of it spilled into the surrounding area

[hoary cape]

The guide has a pickaxe, but refuses to help me mine

Smh

[hoary yoke]

He's too busy opening doors to the 18 zombies waiting on the other side of the shoebox he lives in.

[hoary cape]

The guide when he could just sit in his chair and chill

Nah instead he has to run away opening every door

He doesn't realize the zombies can't get in

[hoary yoke]

And I just realized how old is draedon.

[icy veldt]

Older than Yharim. IIRC he states the precise year he was activated, but I don't remember what it was exactly

[hoary yoke]

Nearly 600 years old.

[icy veldt]

WAIT I JUST REALIZED

[split mortar]

660ish iirc

[icy veldt]

Draedon still has a calendar, so he knows the current year!

[hoary yoke]

Btw

Something I always wondered

In the lore it is stated that Calamitas saw Permafrost as a father figure, Yet when she moves in and you make her a house next to Permafrost her happiness isn't affected.

[split mortar]

Thats due to unfinished and outdated

In sso she will like permafrost and will have dialogue directly calling him dad iirc

[hoary yoke]

I don't think so

In the end he just took her in as an apprentice.

And also do you think yharim is a lihzahrd?

[split mortar]

No the guy is racist to them

[split mortar]

It is

[hoary yoke]

How

[split mortar]

The guy literally calls them below his people or something in the golem lore entry

[mighty zenith]

nah thats just straight up confirmed

[icy veldt]

I thought he called the Golem's builders or worshippers or smth beneath his notice

[hoary yoke]

Okay so dude is okay with basically calling an entire race as "subhumans" but suddenly gets enraged when draedon simply modified a queen bee?

[split mortar]

Those are the lihzahrds

[mighty zenith]

yeah he's a terrible person

[split mortar]

He is fine with grooming children to kill people but not slavery

[mighty zenith]

who claims to have standards

[hoary yoke]

Now I think yharim is kind of an asshole

[icy veldt]

"Need servants, but don't want to enslave anyone? Just kill everyone who doesn't serve you! Subscribe for more Yharim pro tips!"

[long bloom]

ya think?

[split mortar]

Yeah yharim is a genocidal racist manipulative person with too much power with the charisma to get people on his side

[hoary yoke]

And yet he is depressed despite having literally everything

[split mortar]

Skeletron prime was made early in the crusade and was solely sent to target civilians

[split mortar]

Still doesnt regret the genocides

[long bloom]

he's depressed because he failed his life mission byeah he's a bitch

[hoary yoke]

Basically kill all gods

[split mortar]

Yeah

[long bloom]

mhm

[mighty zenith]

he realized he spent a century doing something he could never finish

[split mortar]

Literally just
Kill all the gods

You dont cause half the planets population to die because you are remotely in the right

[hoary yoke]

Not everyone died

[split mortar]

Yeah only half

[mighty zenith]

the world is fucked

[long bloom]

"only"

[mighty zenith]

because of him

[hoary yoke]

My theory is that because of the chaos, The survivors aka the town npcs went into hiding

Except the mechanic

[icy veldt]

I still remember when I was new and I had thought that the mod's devs were trying to make Yharim too sympathetic, but that was only because Yharim's perspective is very in-your-face and other perspectives (Amidias', Draedon's, etc.) are less blatantly shown

Glad to see that's going to be improved with upcoming updates

[split mortar]

Fun fact we play on ground zero of the heartlands (continent we play on)
Where the crusade hit the world the hardest

[mighty zenith]

also the fact old lore yharim was very very very clear about how much of a piece of shit he is

[split mortar]

Thats why only like 20 people show up

[long bloom]

also yharim is blatantly manipulating you to view him as sympathetic

[mighty zenith]

old lore yharim was comically evil

and did not care about his image

[split mortar]

Thats very reasonable tbh

[mighty zenith]

so the one that actually tries to make himself look better would seem more sympathetic

[hoary yoke]

And also whats yall theory about the princess npc?

The sober one.

[mighty zenith]

you dont have to specify anymore

[long bloom]

princess of tasmania

[mighty zenith]

😊

[split mortar]

Shout out to yharim just half vaporising a place as big as fucking italy cause it had two gods (the ilmeris incineration)

[long bloom]

wait is ilmeris literally the size of italy

[hoary yoke]

What gods were in ilmeris?

[split mortar]

Honestly i forget she exists

[split mortar]

Rebecca talked about the size of ilmeris a bit ago and compared it to italy iirc

[mighty zenith]

i imagine the princess comes from another continent and seeing that there's a new hope appearing in the heartlands, she decides to visit and see for herself

[long bloom]

otonilou (electricity) and tyrian (sea)

[hoary yoke]

Ooooooh

[split mortar]

Tyrian and otonilou
God of seas and goddess of electricity

Two very good and moral gods

[long bloom]

otonilou was basically a saint

[hoary yoke]

So that explains the electrical antlions I see

[split mortar]

And yharim just fucking vaporised them

And their kingdom

[long bloom]

legalize nuclear bombs 💥 💥 💥

[mighty zenith]

forced a little girl to vaporize them

[hoary yoke]

And erased an entire race, Also he didn't do it, Calamitas did.

[mighty zenith]

cant forget that detail cause it makes him even worse

[long bloom]

he ordered her to so still his fault

[split mortar]

Still sent her

[hoary yoke]

Right

[icy veldt]

Just following orders

[hoary yoke]

I wonder where are the remains of the ilmerian people.

[split mortar]

We will see more in the next majore update

[icy veldt]

Small bits of ash mixed in with the sand

[split mortar]

It focuses on overhauling the sunken sea

[mighty zenith]

yea next update is meant to be flesh out the sunken sea

[hoary yoke]

What will be the next major update

[long bloom]

sunken sea overhaul

[split mortar]

Sunken sea overhaul is its name

[hoary yoke]

OK now I'm excited

[split mortar]

Sso for short

[icy veldt]

Not to be confused with single sign-on

[split mortar]

Lore wise its also like

[mighty zenith]

super smash others

[split mortar]

The every update

It has so much lore stuff on it

[hoary yoke]

I expect to see coral shaped houses

[mighty zenith]

at most you'll see ruins

[split mortar]

Will make every vanilla bestiary canon by changing the ones that could be better or dont fit

[plucky spruce]

still wakes the deep coral

[hoary yoke]

Espicially the dryad bestiary

In the vanilla terraria lore, Cthulhu killed all the dryads except one. And the vanilla lore isn't canon to calamity's.

[split mortar]

Yeah instead yharim likely happens to the dryads

[hoary yoke]

After silva

[split mortar]

This a scam ignore it

[hoary yoke]

We need more lore about Silva tbh

[icy veldt]

Shut up, nerd

[split mortar]

Silva is tied to the dryads

[hoary yoke]

Fuck off

[hoary yoke]

She's the first dryad

[split mortar]

Yes

[hoary yoke]

And apparently thier Goddess

[sleek halo]

She is the Goddess of Life

[split mortar]

Goddess of life
Elemental of nature
First dryad

[sleek halo]

also the Elemental of Nature

[hoary yoke]

And yharim killed her cuz why not

[split mortar]

collecting titles like pokemon cards

[split mortar]

Because goddess

[sleek halo]

The only known about non human to be a god

[long bloom]

elemental of life not nature

[split mortar]

No

Nature

[long bloom]

when

[sleek halo]

Goddess of Life

Nature & Life r basically interchangeable

[long bloom]

she's always been called the life elemental

[split mortar]

When??

[hoary yoke]

What vanilla terraria enemy needs the most attention in calamity in your opinion?

[split mortar]

Moonlord

[long bloom]

by devs many times

[split mortar]

Never seen that

[hoary yoke]

And also, I think we should get a new invasion event

[icy veldt]

Pinky

[long bloom]

in sso part 2 there will be an event in the sunken sea

[hoary yoke]

Like by a new race or spiece.

What should that race be like?

For me I think the concept of an anthropomorphic sapient animal race works well. Espicially since we got goblins n shit

[split mortar]

Dont think they introducing new species or races in the events planned

[hoary yoke]

Gtg

[split mortar]

Ok

[hoary yoke]

See yall later

[split mortar]

Cya

@long bloom

[wanton pendant]

I keep seeing conflicting accounts on how old Calamitas was when she nuked the seacilians, because I'm sure I saw some implications that that's what got Permafrost to leave (probably because it couldn't be kept hidden from him)

[split mortar]

Just ask a writer

[long bloom]

from my calculations (very subject to change) she was around 16

this is assuming the game starts in 1887 but it could be anywhere from there to 1897 (i hope not)

[glacial rampart]

MY MRBEAT MONEY NOOO

[split mortar]

Sorgy mr beat wont money you

[long bloom]

monsieur breast how could you

[tropic oak]

our most accurate guess is 1887 yes

[wanton pendant]

Alright, 'cause my calculations put her at around 22 when she left, give or take. Which does somewhat imply Permafrost saw her nuke half of Italy and was like, eh, I've seen worse.

Although that is on the high end if we take 'almost a decade' as nine years (around) and have her start fighting at around 13.

[icy veldt]

He could very well have seen worse, but decided to stick around anyway because he was scared to leave

[wanton pendant]

After the seacily incident, you'd wonder what finally got him to leave if he stuck around at least a few more years.

[icy veldt]

It took him that long to find an opportunity without getting caught before leaving

[wanton pendant]

You'd think he'd make an invis potion, so much for 'most knowledgable about magic'

Permafraud.

[split mortar]

I mean
Those dont cover clothes no?