lore-discussion

[long bloom]

wait am i actually cooking

[hoary cape]

fights self and loses

[glacial rampart]

like that one teen titans go episode where cyborg is like "beast boy its so funny how you're a little green guy" and beast boy is like "Nah! im just a green construct from a green lanterns ring!" and then john stewart is hiding behind a bush and beast boy disappears and everyone starts crying

and people call this show bad

[hoary cape]

if you fight yourself you both lose and win

that's a win win

because one of you wins

[alpine jetty]

thats so fucking funny

[robust osprey]

you'd need the goku pill to win

[robust osprey]

one of you is the EVIL terrarian

so thats not a win

the terrarian is NOT you

[hoary cape]

still a win in my books

he can do what needs to be done to fix this broken world

[alpine jetty]

what if calamity is actually just a kid playing with toys the whole time and noxus is mother and xeroc is father

[hoary cape]

mods beat this person with hammers

oh wait

[robust osprey]

what if he breaks it even more

[hoary cape]

🔨

[alpine jetty]

What da helly

Its a good idea right guys

[hoary cape]

to the hammer room

[alpine jetty]

[gritty kraken]

Who’s calamity

[hoary cape]

yours

[robust osprey]

wrong

silva is the mother

except they're divorced

[glacial rampart]

https://youtu.be/V4DqXOw5UIc?si=L9Poz6PGpdo1ate9

[alpine jetty]

LMAOOO

[somber wren]

That does make me wonder, assuming that the Terrarian continues to fight more and more powerful opponents

Could their uncanny ability to take strength from those they fell eventually allow them to overcome Xeroc?

It seems impossible, but then again, if you look only at where they start from, beating Calamitas and the Exo Mechs in a fair fight must surely have seemed impossible too.

And they can go from nearly dying to slimes to killing gods in a remarkably short amount of time.

[long bloom]

no

we ain't never winning

[faint totem]

We won’t get that strong.

[hoary cape]

I feel like xeroc would probably remove us from the playing field if he felt we could surpass him

Just to be on the safe side

We could potentially be a threat at that point

[fading helm]

I mean perhaps if there was a more linear progression instead of a jump in power from yharim to xeroc

or maybe taking yharon auric soul ig?

[hoary cape]

Taking Yharon's soul is easier said than done even if you knew the ritual lol

[eager bluff]

(for what its worth that isnt the power jump)

[fading helm]

I mean shouldnt his soul be at the aerie?

[hoary cape]

If you can find it

[fading helm]

depends if we can fight and kill noxus ig

[eager bluff]

the aerie isnt just a box full of souls

[fading helm]

yeah but dont they rest there

[faint totem]

I’d genuinely rather kms than take an auric soul. Honestly

[fading helm]

well rested

until everyone but 1 got killed off

[hoary cape]

If we fight noxus we won't be the one killing him

[fading helm]

Isnt the yharim fight gonna be there?

[fading helm]

oh

[hoary cape]

You will find yharim, but you might not find Yharon's soul is what I mean

[eager bluff]

i mean yes but if there is even a 1 acre pasture with a cow heart somewhere in it thats still a hell of a lot of space to search

and the aerie isnt just an acre

[hoary cape]

The place isn't small lol

[fading helm]

I would think auric souls would be like notable

[faint totem]

It’s a giant floating rock

[fading helm]

highkey got that from the goozma mod tho

it just stuck with me

[eager bluff]

you would think a cow heart would be noticeable too

[fading helm]

I mean as in like floating shining thing

[hoary cape]

Doesn't Yharon's soul just become an egg

But doesn't hatch for a while

[fading helm]

isnt that after some years

[faint totem]

The difference is I would actually eat a cow heart.

[eager bluff]

we arent asking if you would eat it

[fading helm]

i tought it was the egg was made in a procces of like 10 years and then dropped down

[faint totem]

I know

[hoary cape]

Luckily the terrarian doesn't know the ritual so finding it would be pointless

[faint totem]

Good

[fading helm]

also like ascending to godhood is a very lucrative objective

[fading helm]

yaeh

btw on that topic

[real glen]

for a decade yes

[fading helm]

what even is yharon soul fragments

[hoary cape]

Pieces of his soul I guess

[fading helm]

like does that mean if u kill him more he will die eventually

[eager bluff]

tiny shards of his soul that just kinda fall off when you kill him

[hoary cape]

It's how we trick auric into not rejecting us

[fading helm]

even if no ritual is performed

[hoary cape]

His soul just rebuilds

[fading helm]

oh yeah

[eager bluff]

i mean like... if you use a piece of sandpaper on a boulder sure eventually itll not be a boulder anymore. but you're still hand sanding a boulder into nothing

yharons overall soul is like said boulder even if it didnt regenerate

[hoary cape]

I think even if you were to kill him indefinitely he still would come back no matter how much soul fragments you take

[fading helm]

Nah it was more so on their inmortality

[hoary cape]

The only way to kill yharon permanently is to absorb his soul

[fading helm]

btw might just be misremebering

but was it said yharon soul was much harder to take

than the other auric dragons

or am I tripping

[eager bluff]

actually a more apt description is if you were able to get exactly one swipe of the sandpaper on the boulder before it ran away and you had to go chase it down

[hoary cape]

Yes because it zipped to Dragon Aerie

Instead of just being there at the corpse

[fading helm]

was this stated somewhere here or on game

cus I do remember hearing that info

but cant find the source

[hoary cape]

Here

The lore items don't really mention that iirc, but they do mention yharim won't be there to see his friend come back

[fading helm]

he just wont be there because he isnt getting addded 💔

[alpine jetty]

no yharim is just super fucking old

[fading helm]

he is in his young 100s

[hoary cape]

With yharon "dead" yharim's age would kill him if we didn't

[faint totem]

He’s getting too old for this shot.

[fading helm]

I mean doesnt that depend

[hoary cape]

I wonder how old yharim looks

[fading helm]

on if the attunement stopped his aging

and if it gets broken he just ages super fast

or if he just begins aging normally

[hoary cape]

It's been mentioned that age would catch up to him in a few years and end him

[fading helm]

💔

btw just read on the god of sacrifice new lore

[hoary cape]

I don't know if he has indefinite life, but I think the bond just extends it

[fading helm]

he couldnt be damaged right?

[hoary cape]

I don't think the bond did that he is just that good

[fading helm]

no i mean the god of sacrifice

the new lore thingy they made for him

[alpine jetty]

does he not fuck with him anymore

[hoary cape]

What

Agnus is implied to be not able to be hurt

Until he let it

[alpine jetty]

does yharon not like yharim anymore

[robust osprey]

I think that means yharim will be fucking dead by the time yharon comes

yharon does still like yharim

[hoary cape]

Yharim isn't living 10+ years for yharon to return

Being like 120 years old is gonna kill him in like a couple years

[alpine jetty]

where is yharon before you summon him anyway

is he with yharim

on the aerie

[hoary cape]

I think yharon finds you

[robust osprey]

hunting your ass down

[eager bluff]

i would go out on a limb and say that

even if yharon didnt die

[tall delta]

who said that

[robust osprey]

me

I am john calamity lore

[tall delta]

damn thats crazy

[eager bluff]

yharim would still not last much longer than a decade at most

[fading helm]

john lore

[hoary cape]

Eh I think he might last longer than that

[eager bluff]

cei reb and stip have all said it at different occasions iirc

[tall delta]

isee

[eager bluff]

not positive on cei but ik reb and stip have

[hoary cape]

Xeroc helps you kill noxus and then steals the kill

[fading helm]

Ok but surely he meant that message as yknow, allure that he aint gonna win the fight vs us

[robust osprey]

I remember some discussion in spoiler chat about yharon actually hunting you post DoG

as in he is wandering through the world until he finds you

[fading helm]

always stealing

[robust osprey]

but he's eepy at night

[hoary cape]

Xeroc didn't steal anything smh

[alpine jetty]

[fading helm]

the auric soul

[eager bluff]

that was a reb ideasguy moment i dont think it can be applied to anywhere

[fading helm]

I mean that would happen with like 99% of bosses

well not hunting you down exactly

but they would just be there

till u find em

[robust osprey]

nah not really

yharon actively wants you dead

[hoary cape]

Summon items aren't even real you mostly just stumble upon most bosses

[robust osprey]

and will ambush you the moment he can

[hoary cape]

Yharon and scal both come after you tbh

[fading helm]

DoG too no?

[robust osprey]

sometimes the terrarian just encounters the big bad guy and starys throwing shit at it

[hoary cape]

Probably

[robust osprey]

DoG has portals so he wouldnt really chase you down

[fading helm]

I reckon basically everything post moon lord hunts u

[robust osprey]

just come from a portal near you

[alpine jetty]

yea providence does as well

[hoary cape]

Dog just teleports into your face while you are sleeping and is like dinner time

[fading helm]

terrarian doesnt need feeble things like sleep

[alpine jetty]

dog is a scumbag so i wouldnt be suprised

[hoary cape]

Beds existing

[robust osprey]

I keep my terrarian healthy

[fading helm]

im 99% sure he doesnt close his eyes

[robust osprey]

they do

[fading helm]

wait fr

[hoary cape]

Providence has a tantrum because she can't vaporize the world so she comes after you /j

[fading helm]

how exactly does providence run btw

[robust osprey]

they don't close them inmediately but after a few seconds

[fading helm]

its not like she can make portals

[hoary cape]

She flies

[fading helm]

how did she escape from yharim

[robust osprey]

fly fast

[hoary cape]

She has wings

[alpine jetty]

what even like

is providence

like i love her design

but

what IS she

[fading helm]

isnt providence like the rock

[robust osprey]

rock

[hoary cape]

A giant flaming moth

She is literally a giant flaming rock moth

[alpine jetty]

ok ok

[hoary cape]

That's what her design is at least

[fading helm]

btw do we know why the primordial wyrm hates the divine light

I think it was called true light or smth

the one that xeroc uses

[hoary cape]

I mean wouldn't you hate bright things if you live in the depths

[fading helm]

Like i dont see why a wild animal would have a vendetta

[robust osprey]

he hates people manipulating it

not primordial light itself

[fading helm]

yeah but its specifically primordial light no

[hoary cape]

PW is also a draconic creature so it's not a wild animal

Tbh

[fading helm]

you cant tell me that abomination has sentience

it looks straight from subnautica

💔

[hoary cape]

Gargantuan leviathan

[fading helm]

wait was it sapient or sentient

still the point stands

[hoary cape]

I don't know

[robust osprey]

he just hates primordial light usurpers or something

[fading helm]

zeratros was his father¡¡¡

[robust osprey]

also sapient I think

[fading helm]

thx

[verbal temple]

Something I’ve been wondering is (besides ravager and xeroc) what do the sigils look like? Like noxus, providence, Yharon, etc. What ones have official designs?

[faint totem]

I don’t think any do

[long bloom]

they do not

we have no concept at all of what an auric soul could possibly look like

[verbal temple]

I mean like the sigil like what’s in the sky during the boss rush

[long bloom]

those aren't auric souls

they're just sigils

[verbal temple]

I’m still kind of wondering though. I’m guessing all gods have them. Most people know Xeroc’s, and ravager has two different versions between pre-corruption and post corruption

[eager bluff]

if they're actually like

organized things

probably

xeroc inherited his from zeratros, ravager ran a cult, i dont know if the others directly have them

[long bloom]

sigils aren't the exact same between dragon and god iirc

[scenic olive]

Insignia of Primordial Light

[dusk jacinth]

why do some of the characters live for thousands of years like yharim

[real glen]

they use something like magic to live longer but its only a few decades longer
for example, Permafrost frostbites(or should i say freeze) his body for long lifespan

[split mortar]

Yharim isnt thousands? The guy is 130ish

Calamitas is late twenties

Very few characters are in their thousands (yharon, old duke and jared) but they are in the later stages of their lifespan iirc and yharon has rebirth powers and so just comes back from death

Noxus is also in their thousands but they are like
Weird
Signus may also be in thousands but we dunno for sure

There are many in their hundreds like any of the gods and permafrost but the gods are just immune to aging and permafrost has fucked up ice magic stuff going on

[split mortar]

😭 what did i not even bother at now?!?

[jaunty wraith]

Why is the primordial wyrm, an ancient entity with the blessing of Silva named jared

[strong notch]

because why not?

Jared is a neat name

[wheat walrus]

Jared is a community joke

[jaunty wraith]

I mean where did that come from

[cloud ibex]

a streamer called him that once and the name stuck

[split mortar]

There was a bug years ago that made the wyrm friendly after you died and this happened to a streamer and they called them jared

[wheat walrus]

Some youtuber guy ages ago I think "tamed" PW and that

[calm patio]

Hectique

it was

[woeful hatch]

Honestly idk tbh

Crimson has more dangerous enemies true, but proofing against them is way easier than corruption ones

Like, crimeras are way rarer than eater of souls and corruptors

And the worms in the corruption can bypass walls too

[jaunty wraith]

The crimson has blood spiders, that makes it more evil by default

[split mortar]

If we bringing hardmode to this
Floaty whatevers, the ghost enemy

From crimson

[woeful hatch]

Those are only in the underground

Which isn't really present in the sulphurous sea

Underground crimson being the caverns layer

[inner surge]

Fan-created Yharim Lore. Opinion?

[faint totem]

Neat

[inner surge]

Anything strike you as needing improvement?

[faint totem]

Not really.

[mighty zenith]

I think it's good, though I'd change "my witch" to "the witch"

also probably change Tyrant to Godseeker

[inner surge]

Hmm, yes. That would be an odd self-descriptor.

[split mortar]

yeah scal no longer works for yharim

[feral skiff]

i could 100% imagine this being the final lore message, right after Cynosure (Post-Yharim)

[pliant ruin]

Calamitas hearing Yharim call her "My witch" years after she left him due to a deep seeted hatred of the horrible atrocitie he manipulated her into committing

[eager bluff]

holy SHIT hi ricardo

[haughty seal]

but Yharim would already be dead...

[real silo]

yhimcardo

[untold oracle]

Was this john coupon

[dusk laurel]

yes

[random mulch]

how dense is cosmilite

[light linden]

@cosmic zenith can I ask a question about auric?

[glass birch]

dense enough for the devourer to feel pretty and for me to have a great meal

[cosmic zenith]

Yeah

[light linden]

is it able to be molten by people without an auric soul/attunement?

[cosmic zenith]

Yes, but it's far from easy, and it still rejects

[light linden]

ok good to know

btw uh

ig since it's on topic with what I'm doing in game rn

is there a reason why old duke fights us?

[deft vessel]

you traspassing in his crib

[light linden]

really wishing he'd stop showing up at the end of the acid rain rn

[glass birch]

he wants that bloodworm,,

[light linden]

since I've been tryna get a book but that made me realize that I don't know why he even attacks

[long bloom]

probably because you're massacring the entire ecosystem he relies on

[somber wren]

I imagine it's just old, ornery, and territorial. You're trespassing on its home and putting enough blood in the water that you grab it's attention.

[dusk laurel]

old dukes probably very territorial and it likely just kills anything that looks like it would try to hunt it on sight

od isnt the type that would care about its ecosystem enough to defend it

[balmy glacier]

i hope old duke gets eaten by ogspores

[lucid niche]

Do recipes for items mean anything in-universe? Or are they just a gameplay thing?

[long bloom]

gameplay

a couple might have lore relevance but not many

[long bloom]

@stark basalt so yharim was raised to consume yharon's soul and become the god king, but he told the leaders to go fuck themselves and they threw him in lava

then yharon hatched from the egg he was in and saved yharim, and told him about how every other dragon was killed

because to become a god you have to absorb a dragon soul

[limpid saddle]

🐌

[long bloom]

so yharim got pissed and declared war against all the gods

[limpid saddle]

already explained it in #general-media

[long bloom]

i'm in the correct channel

[stark basalt]

zased and shulkpilled

[light linden]

xenoblade?

[elder widget]

Hey, question

Was permafrost frozen before or after the burning of ilmeris

[long bloom]

after

[elder widget]

I forgor’d the timeline

[light linden]

after

[elder widget]

Thank you

[stark basalt]

yea

xenoblade shulk

[light linden]

come to think of it

I wonder what shulk would think of yharim and vice-versa

[icy veldt]

Hot take: Yharim should've done what he was told

[wanton pendant]

Having gone through much of the 'new' (I haven't played in ages) lore, I have to say that the writers did an amazing job. Making Calamitas a parallel to Yharim is such an interesting and compelling idea.

[scenic olive]

chat who is the real victim of calamity

[haughty seal]

rabbits

[alpine jetty]

civilians

[plucky lichen]

Me

Everything keeps fucking attacking me

[pliant ruin]

the economy

the trout population also

[hoary cape]

Cheese

[real glen]

Today, we use our power to fell a god, and then seize our destiny!

[jolly sleet]

There is more gods other than moon lord right?

[real silo]

Moon lord is not a god

[jolly sleet]

I see

So whats the different between calamity and other

Its like a parrarel universe,isnt it

[real silo]

other?

[jolly sleet]

Like eternity?

Actually,nvm. I kind of wrong with this

[real silo]

It's completely unrelated to eternity or any other mods

even addons aren't canon

[robust osprey]

wdym mutant isnt canon he is literally yharim...........................

[real silo]

You're yharim

you hate gays

[real glen]

next episode in 2026 April 1

[robust osprey]

WHAT

damn I don't have the I am gay card anymore

I turned into a straight girl 😔

[long bloom]

sad

[real silo]

yeah you hate lesbians too

[robust osprey]

not true

I have the yuri tag

you can't do this to me!!!!

[hoary cape]

trying to hide

[robust osprey]

all fake

you're fake too

[soft geyser]

Size of an auric dragon?

[hoary cape]

varies

[soft geyser]

What would the average?

[glacial rampart]

they were all special in their own way

[soft geyser]

Or are the sizes that far apa-

[hoary cape]

i think because dragons varied in how they looked it would be hard to give an average

some had wings some didn't

[soft geyser]

Is there any note for the biggest ones

Like height wise?

[hoary cape]

i don't think we know how large most of them were

outside of yharon

[soft geyser]

Is yharon considered big?

[hoary cape]

🤷

[soft geyser]

Hmmm thanks

Have a good day

[hoary cape]

sorry i couldn't be much help lol

you too

[soft geyser]

That is fine auric dragons have info on them

But size is not like that big

[cedar fox]

who is xeroks

[long bloom]

the first god, god of primordial light (which is sunlight)
they absorbed the soul of zeratros, the dragon king as he was dying from his wounds after moon lord attacked

[cedar fox]

is moonlord stronger than him?

[long bloom]

was

the moonlord we fight is significantly weaker, seeing how he was ripped in half and imprisoned on the moon for 800 years

but still immediately throws hands the second he's free

byeah he was able to solo half of all the auric dragons and almost kill zeratros

since then, xeroc fucked off to somewhere and has been training basically the entire time

so they're even more ridiculously strong now

[scenic olive]

chat should we give Fovos yharim stims

[paper spindle]

Hell yeah

[sinful adder]

@stoic lark kill him with hammers

(it's scam)

[stoic lark]

https://tenor.com/view/rain-world-rain-world-police-vulture-gif-27507580

[mighty zenith]

plooice brutality

[calm patio]

i dont understand how its not that hard to not click on free money from jimmy beast

[swift badger]

Whats the power scale of Yharim?

[split mortar]

Like oneshot a city level according to dev statements and calculations done

[swift badger]

Dang

[split mortar]

Is it now illegal for me to go grab the statements now??

[wheat walrus]

Melon Gun

Yharim is actually pissversal

[swift badger]

Ts worse than Xeroc tax

[wheat walrus]

🔥

[wheat walrus]

Cei

This is yharrific !

[swift badger]

Yharim with Yharon still solo fraud quest

🙏

[wheat walrus]

Green Rathalos

The typings

[somber wren]

I don't think power scaling really functions in Terraria because what things do is wildly inconsistent.

Letting it just rest as "Powerful enough to kill gods, but not strong enough to fight The Sun" is the most consistent we can get from him.

[swift badger]

Best wqy to revive the channel start a power scale discussion

[wheat walrus]

Powerscaling powerscales

ppl js need to keep in mind that it easily gets interpretative, very fast

[real glen]

Can we rank the all cal characters

[wheat walrus]

Terrarian could be anywhere between multi-city block at most based on explosives to solar/cosmic tiers based on tool tips

[swift badger]

Actually deku solos fiction if q character has been on the street making them street level so by using that i can deduct that Yharim solos fiction if a character was in a city making them city level.

✍️

[wheat walrus]

Melon Gun:

[wanton pendant]

Calamitas lives in a cave, meaning she doesn't use streets.

[wheat walrus]

Cave = street gg ez

[real silo]

Azafure absolutely had streets

[swift badger]

Gg ez get soloed

[wheat walrus]

My equivalence is infallible and my truth undeniable

[wanton pendant]

What if she hires the street fighters to fight the street, therefore no more street.

[wheat walrus]

Hop on Monster Hunter Frontier twins

[wheat walrus]

The street fighters upscale from the street

[limpid saddle]

need to bring this one up

[swift badger]

But street fighters are still on ythe street

[wheat walrus]

But they fight the street

They're equal

[wanton pendant]

But if they are Street Fighters, they fight the street

[somber wren]

Judging by the fact that you can kill Providence with a copper shortsword, power scaling is meaningless because Calamity falls victim to the "If it has hit points, we can kill it" conjecture from dungeons and dragons.

[wanton pendant]

And if they all work together, they can win

[swift badger]

Deku the ultimate street tier hunter

[wheat walrus]

HUNTER

[wanton pendant]

That's ignoring the fact that it's a given that in video games the gameplay is not one to one with the narrative.

[wheat walrus]

Yea but you normally don't kill provi w copper shortsword and if you do you're putting yourself at a giant disadvantage

[wanton pendant]

Otherwise most video games would have cities with a population of like, thirty.

[swift badger]

And it would take you ages

[wheat walrus]

You could hypothetically kill late boss w starter equipment, but most people don't and if you do that wouldn't make the copper shortsword stronger

[wanton pendant]

That and doesn't Calamity round down damage to zero if it's too low?

[wheat walrus]

You aren't fighting on remotely equal terms with Providence while wielding a copper shortsword, you just chipped at her for however long you did and endured the thing, it's not a fair fight

[wanton pendant]

In Terraria, four people living within an area is considered overcrowded, in real life thats a small family.

[wheat walrus]

Flames

[swift badger]

One thing i do question is. Is the Terrarian strong or are the weapons strong

[wanton pendant]

I think both.

The real power is in creation.

[split mortar]

The terrarian is up to you

[wheat walrus]

Holy shit

He said this

[wanton pendant]

The Terrarian is the only one left alive with a civil engineering degree after the crusade.

[somber wren]

Lore wise, likely both.

They don't have a lot of destructive power by themself, but they can do a lot of stuff that implies strength, like brute forcing their way to not being rejected by Auric Ore.

[wheat walrus]

Dang ts civil engineering degree a killer

[swift badger]

Yeah but there are still some lore reasson

[wanton pendant]

Terrarian has the power of friendship.

[wheat walrus]

Add the Triple Baka to Calamity Mod

[split mortar]

And its up to you to make that

[wheat walrus]

Drop the image Melon

[wanton pendant]

With the power of friendship, you can beat up a traumatized homeless woman.

[wheat walrus]

✋(ツ)🤚

[split mortar]

Orphan as well

[wanton pendant]

Can't forget that, double orphan even, no, triple!

[swift badger]

The Player's lore is up to the Terrarian

[somber wren]

And then build her a home hopefully somewhere nice and not literally hell.

[wanton pendant]

It's called exposure therapy.

[wheat walrus]

Xeroc VS Pearto

[wanton pendant]

She is going to bask in the ruins of Azafure, and she is going to like it.

[swift badger]

Another question i had was also

Why does Yharim hate "gods" so much

[wanton pendant]

They tried to kill him, after he refused to become one.

Then his dragon told him about their genocides.

[swift badger]

Honestly

[wanton pendant]

So he said 'Gods, I remember you're genocides'

No really that's what happened.

[swift badger]

Yharim is in the right thats q valid crashout

[split mortar]

To be a god you have to ascend using a auric dragons soul which perma kills the dragon

[wheat walrus]

Chat r we getting a yharim morality debate

please make it happen

[cloud ibex]

seems like it

[swift badger]

I didt know it perma kills a dragon

[wanton pendant]

It's skyrim rules, except no dovahkiin

[split mortar]

Bruh
Only a few actually did the whole throw him in lava thing

Then he proceeded to kill half the planet and hundreds to thousands of gods

[wanton pendant]

We all make mistake in the pursuit of Justice, Jimbo.

[swift badger]

Yeah but they killed the dragons

[wanton pendant]

Dragons should have first tried Moon Lord like me, casuals,

[scenic olive]

itd be funny if ascended Xeroc has a very weak true form but its all being covered with Primordial Light

[somber wren]

Yharim is something of an unreliable narrator as well.

No one said all of the dragons were good, and no one said all of the gods were dicks about it.

[swift badger]

Plus imagine how dangerous the world would be if yharim didnt kill all gods

[split mortar]

Not all dragons were good and the situations on why varied
What if the person was trusted with the ascension

[cloud ibex]

i'd imagine xeroc can probably have a perfectly normal humanoid form if they wanted to

[split mortar]

Shoutout to yharim killing the gods making the world more dangerous

[swift badger]

I didn't think abt that

[wanton pendant]

It is made pretty clear that it made many things worse, but some things may have been better.

[scenic olive]

No shit he has PL at his command

[split mortar]

Due to stuff like eye of crhulhu becoming very common

[cloud ibex]

imagine how dangerous the world is right now when he did kill all those gods

[wanton pendant]

The Dragon of Mucus did nothing wrong, Slime God must hang for his crimes.

[scenic olive]

He could theoritically conjure a PL construct of his humanoid form

[swift badger]

Thats also true by killing all the gods the corruption and crimson also became a thing

[alpine jetty]

?????????

read the skeletron prime lore right now

[wanton pendant]

Lore accurate Calamitas reaction.

[deft vessel]

Ermm 🤓 it was the dragon of gluttony

[wanton pendant]

Close enough.

[scenic olive]

Dragon of Blobs

[swift badger]

Imma check it out rq

[wanton pendant]

Then who got the power of the Dragon of Mucus?

[deft vessel]

[somber wren]

Only some of the gods created the corruption and crimson.

Eventually he learned how to seal away godly essence and created the wall of flesh as essentially a flesh prison to contain it.

There's also Silva who's at the bottom of the Ocean and if memory serves, not quite alive and not quite dead.

[cloud ibex]

we don't know that for sure

[split mortar]

The hallowed is of dozens to hundreds of undeniably good gods iirc

[wanton pendant]

'Cause Goddess of Life kinda means you don't really die.

[cloud ibex]

we know of like

[split mortar]

No its cause elemental

[scenic olive]

Its more because of her being elemental

[cloud ibex]

two gods who were definitely bastards and two gods who were genuinely good people

[split mortar]

The goddess of life part is not the source of immortality for her

[split mortar]

4 good gods kinda

Tyrian
Otonilou
Silva
Agnus

[scenic olive]

She has been dumped before by the dragons in the abyss

pre ascension

[wanton pendant]

Well sorry for following Ocram's Razor.

[cloud ibex]

well xeroc we don't know much about at the moment but they do seem to be doing good yes

[wanton pendant]

Does this just happen to her?

[cloud ibex]

apparently

it's not her first time in gay abyss baby jail

[split mortar]

Silva getting dunked into the abyss basketball hoop

[wanton pendant]

Eating the soul of the Dragon of Die Hard was a poor decision evidently.

[swift badger]

Just checkied out the skeletron prime lore

[somber wren]

The Ravager was genuinely good before his untimely demise.

Providence on the other hand actually does seem as bad as Yharim makes the gods out to be.

[wanton pendant]

Even Amidias hates Providence.

[swift badger]

Dang yharm didn have reasson to be THAT angry bruh

[cloud ibex]

no yeah prov is a bastard

[scenic yacht]

prov exists to burn the world to ash

[wanton pendant]

And he's nice to the traumatized homeless orphan who burnt his kingdom down.

[swift badger]

Yharim might not be a good guy

[cloud ibex]

though it seems to be implied that her intentions were, at the very least, justified at first

[wanton pendant]

He's and ORPHAN!?

[cloud ibex]

and iirc it has been mentioned that the dragon of flame she and her Guardians killed was an asshole

[wheat walrus]

By devs if so

But we know she slew the dragon with "righteous" fury, so yk

[split mortar]

Well yeah he groomed a young traumatised teen to go commit warcrimes

[wanton pendant]

Who was basically his strategists adopted daughter.

[split mortar]

-# calamitas

[swift badger]

To incinerate a whole sea too 💔

[wheat walrus]

Cooka da pasta

[swift badger]

I forgot how insane he went

[swift badger]

Soup

[wheat walrus]

Zuppa

[somber wren]

Unfortunately, from what I remember, he didn't go insane.

He made those decisions while in a clear state of mind.

[wanton pendant]

'Hmm yes, this child just lost everything, but is really strong, I'm going to use this for strategic advantage. I'm the good guy.'

[cloud ibex]

"i am a fallen hero "

[wanton pendant]

'Look child, those peaceful protestors went to church once, they're the bad guys, go kill them and their families.'

[wheat walrus]

Yharim was already an extreme man but it showed the most later on

[split mortar]

Yeah yharim never went insane or anything he is just a horrible person

[swift badger]

Yeah no hes Evil bruh 💔

Was he a dictator too?

[wheat walrus]

Whenever he talks about what he regrets, it isn't the death of innocents themselves it's having his allies gradually fade away because of acts like that

[wanton pendant]

I mean it comes off as he wasn't crazy, he just got more and more desperate so he made more extreme decisions that he wouldn't have otherwise. Like child soldiers, nameless serpent, betraying allies...

[swift badger]

Why though

[wanton pendant]

Like he betrayed the Dragon Cult 'cause he couldn't be bothered.

Wanted the war to end, didn't want to deal with the mess.

[swift badger]

Didnt he win the war fairly quickly why did he go to such extreme measures

[cloud ibex]

it has laster over a hundred years

[wanton pendant]

So pretend there's no mess, and do ANYTHING to end the war. Except enslave bees.
The crusade was like a hundred years

[wheat walrus]

Not really

[wanton pendant]

Like it's only been over for a few years at most.

[cloud ibex]

if you ask him he'd probably say it hasn't ended yet

[split mortar]

Months

[wanton pendant]

I said at most.

[somber wren]

And strictly speaking, he didn't win, his crusade just kinda petered out.

There are still gods alive and kicking at the start of the game, at least three that we know of.

[split mortar]

It started when he was like 20-30 iirc
And
He is 130ish nowadays and it only ended months ago

[wheat walrus]

He still has not taken every god, never will, and it's been going for 100 years

[swift badger]

"Japanese man still fighting a war that ended 30 years ago" thats what this reminds me of

[swift badger]

Yeahh

This one

[wheat walrus]

Make this with Yharim

[swift badger]

Somebody gotta make that

[wanton pendant]

I have felt that the reason he was so mad at the Plague bringers was because this was shortly after Calamitas left, and he felt that what Draedon was doing to the bees was similar to what he was doing to her, and that's why he was so mad, 'cause he began to realize he was a hypocrit.

[swift badger]

Bro has been fight a war without reasson for most of his life

[real silo]

He definitely has a reason

And his reason is racism

❤️

[wanton pendant]

He hates gods and green people. And orphans.

[somber wren]

The people who have probably the most reason to be angry in the entire mod aren't, at least not anymore.

Amidias isn't angry with the person who boiled his homeland to nothing and turned it into a desert wasteland.

And Calamitas straight up says she doesn't have the energy to resent the Tyrant anymore.

[split mortar]

They just exhausted at this point i think

[wanton pendant]

Amidias is just a nice chap, Calamitas is utterly exhausted 'cause her entire life is a nightmare and she's almost certainly extremely depressed.

[swift badger]

Yharim:"Please Terrarian i need this! My allies kinda left me, i live with my dragon im trying to eradicate all gods"

yharon:" im watching you terrarian why are you trying not to lough bro thats disrespectful as shit bro"

[wanton pendant]

Calamitas, Amidias, Permafrost and Draedon watching the battle, placing bets.

[swift badger]

Yharim battle is going to be tuff

[wanton pendant]

Except Calamitas can't, 'cause she's broke.

Phase two hits and he calls upon child soldiers as back up.

[somber wren]

Not after I spent multiple platinum on enchantments for my stuff

[real glen]

lol

[swift badger]

Dont we have to pay her to do the enchants

[wanton pendant]

How else will she pay rent, and food.

She's probably half starved.

[swift badger]

Tax collector too ofc

[wanton pendant]

And sleep deprived.

And no parents.

[swift badger]

atleast she has friends now 🥀

[wanton pendant]

1 (one) friend, maybe Princess but who's unlocking her?

[somber wren]

I imagine Permafrost is happy to see her.

[swift badger]

Yeah

[wanton pendant]

'Hi Permafrost, sorry for sealing you in an ice castle and faking your death, wanna go play catch?'

[cloud ibex]

permafrost is her dad of course he's happy to see her

[swift badger]

He is?

[wanton pendant]

Adoptive.

[cloud ibex]

pretty sure he's the one who told her to freeze him because it'd make yharim think she killed him

[swift badger]

There is so much i dont know about the lore dang

[somber wren]

The alternative was killing him, or letting someone else kill him if she refused.

Putting him in an ice prison was probably the only way he survives.

[wanton pendant]

Yeah, of course.

[cloud ibex]

he's pretty much her adoptive father yes

[wanton pendant]

First parents died when she was really young, then brothers who were raising her died, then she used a spell she knew on third parent.

[cloud ibex]

in fact in upcoming dialogue that's dropping next update she outright calls him "dad"

[wanton pendant]

Let's go, trauma deepened!

[swift badger]

Thats pretty wholsome that they reunite once we beat her

[somber wren]

That reminds me, what makes Calamitas' Brimstone magic so strong?

If memory serves, her other magic isn't nearly as powerful

[cloud ibex]

permafrost would wear a "the dad that stepped up" t shirt

[cloud ibex]

we don't really know

[split mortar]

She likely absorbed power from brimstone elemental

[cloud ibex]

we only know it's not genetic because of the clone

[wanton pendant]

Something is giving her power, and we don't know what it is or where it's from, just that it.

Is really strong.

And it drives normal people insane if they lack mental fortitude.

[split mortar]

Its basically pointing to brimstone elemental

[split mortar]

I think thats just brimstone magic in general

[wanton pendant]

But it's also stronger then the elemental now, and it's not exactly the same.

So it could be something else. But we don't know what.

Maybe Dragon of Suphur is time travelling to give her power, obviously.

[split mortar]

She has had the magic for like 15 years atp ofcourse she would be stronger then brimstone elemental in its prime

[wanton pendant]

Also, it's kinda funny that Calamitas doesn't have Permafrost in her happiness preferences, instead she like Clothier. 'Cause of the hair similarity, she needs glasses.

[split mortar]

Outdated npc stuff moment

[wanton pendant]

She saw old guy with white hair and went 'Dad?'

[swift badger]

Are the obsidian towers in hell old azufure buildings?

[split mortar]

No cause azafure was in the crags

[wanton pendant]

That was the next door neighbours, Crimsafure.

They're bascially the same, but Azafure says, 'Smell ya later.'

[swift badger]

so in the game we only see a small portion of it?

[wanton pendant]

Undoubtedly.

[swift badger]

Crimsafure was for the poor

[wanton pendant]

And it's almost certainly scaled down too.

[swift badger]

😔

[random mulch]

for now

[split mortar]

Yeah only the outskirts
We will see more when crags gets overhauled

[wanton pendant]

There was also Verdafure, but nobody remembers them except for the mobile game Calamity Masters.

[swift badger]

I hope they change the brimstone crags background into like a city in the distance

That would be cool

[random mulch]

in the brimstone crags overhaul we're gonna explore azafure directly

[alpine jetty]

bro literally had a shock trooper division to set religous groups on fire

[alpine jetty]

guessing they probably wil

[wanton pendant]

He literally waged a holy war of course he was a little racist.

[swift badger]

He wasn't even going for gods at that point 💔

[wanton pendant]

He didn't like green people.

Or priests.

[alpine jetty]

yes he was

[wanton pendant]

Or orphans, but he made a lot of them.

[swift badger]

Yeah i meant like not even people were safe

[alpine jetty]

oh yea yea mb

bro what about the incineration

[wanton pendant]

His Napoleon roleplay got a little out of hand.

[alpine jetty]

he literally had a city destroyed

with all its civilians

[wanton pendant]

Ordered a child to incinerate a kingdom.

[split mortar]

Closer to a country iirc

[alpine jetty]

yea it is

[swift badger]

Saw that too i have no idea why he would brun down a whole city

[alpine jetty]

it was like the size of italy or something

[split mortar]

Yeah

[wanton pendant]

Wait, Ilmeris is the size of freaking ITALY!?

I was thinking between Belgium and Luxembourg.

[swift badger]

Did the Devourer also leave him? For his actions

[split mortar]

Pluh

[split mortar]

Never officially did

[wanton pendant]

Devourer was 'loyal' to the end. If you can call it that.

Saved him last year.

[split mortar]

Possibly this year depending on when the braelor statis fight was

[swift badger]

Devourer liked the deal of getting free food thats probably why he stayed until the end

[wanton pendant]

If it's 1.33x Portugal, it would only be like, less then half the size of italy, still huge.

'Yes, go my teenage death weapon, go commit fish genocide to the Out-of-Portugese.'

[split mortar]

Ok they gave up due to sucking ass at the sizes lmao

[swift badger]

"Im a fallen hero"

[wanton pendant]

So like, she nuked somewhere from half to three quarters of Italy. As a child. Still the good guy obviously.

'Yes child, it's morally correct to kill those school children, they have fins, and so don't have human rights.'

[split mortar]

Shout out to when she first said ilmeris was the size of the mediterranean sea or whatever it was

[wanton pendant]

Dear God.

The Dutch need her.

[swift badger]

Not even she can save them from the sea levels there

[wanton pendant]

Not if there's no sea.

We're bringing back Doggerland with this one, boys.

Do we know how long it took for Calamitas to make those fish sticks, and furthermore about how old she was.

[split mortar]

Few days to few weeks iirc

[wheat walrus]

Hell naw Yharim

[wanton pendant]

'Alright Calamitas, now hit the Mezzogiorno'

[swift badger]

Commit Genocides or Use your power to create a Utopia

Yharim: "i dunno sbout that"

[wanton pendant]

I used the genocides to destroy the genocides.

[split mortar]

Yharim thought he was making a utopia…

[wanton pendant]

Also used child soldiers.

With the power of friendship, magic, evil cosmic serpents, child labour and... uh... bees?

[swift badger]

Yharim i remember your genocides

[wanton pendant]

Terrarian, I remember MY genocides.

[stoic gulch]

Sans

[swift badger]

Why isnt the image loading for me anymore

[stoic gulch]

Pisscord that’s why

[wanton pendant]

It's beyond your control.

[swift badger]

Brah

[swift badger]

Terrarian, I remember my Genocides too

[wanton pendant]

One's the culmination of over six hundred and sixty years of scientific development, the other is a traumatized, homeless, half starved sleep deprived woman. The woman's the harder fight.

At the end of the day, we only care about your genocides, Terrarian.

[swift badger]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-24533171

[wanton pendant]

One side wants no more genocides, the other wants some genocides. We stand united against more genocides.

Why didn't Calamitas, Permafrost, Statis and Braelor do this to Yharim, are they stupid?

[split mortar]

Permafrost would get demolished
Statis and braelor prob have no way to contact scal
Scal has a panic at just the thought of us being yharim 2 i dont think actual yharim would be something she wants to face even in a group

[wanton pendant]

Like sure she nearly became Yharim two, but like, power of friendship.

[alpine jetty]

statis and braelor literally did do that on their own

[wanton pendant]

Yeah, but the power of gay rights wasn't enough.

They were lucky Yharim's homophobia meant they did critical damage.

[tropic oak]

i dont think she nearly became yharim 2

[swift badger]

Did they jump yharim

[tropic oak]

she was afraid we would be yharim 2

[split mortar]

It was the terrarian she thought would be yharim 2

[wanton pendant]

I mean, Yharim was kinda trying to make her like him, so it makes sense that she would be worried about people becoming like Yharim.

[tropic oak]

you got to correct assumption but went along the wrong path bud

[wanton pendant]

No, what I'm saying is that Yharim was encouraging her to be like him, that is a murderous individual who does anything to achieve goals, including atrocities. Calamitas realized that was bad, and is worried that we won't realize that is bad.

[tropic oak]

…uh-huh?

[icy veldt]

It's only bad depending on what your goals are. Yharim was chasing after meaningless catchwords like "freedom" and "justice", which he could not achieve and never realized were impossible, so he burnt down all of civilization trying to reach them. If the Terrarian's goals are different, e.g. despotic power for its own sake, then the outcome will be better

[wanton pendant]

Nuking half of Italy is what we in the business call 'Overkill'.

And I must say, the solution to genocide is not second genocide.

[icy veldt]

Aw :(

What about third genocide?

[split mortar]

No

[wanton pendant]

I'm sure if we genocide enough, a solution will present itself.

[icy veldt]

"We will go to the Dragons' Aerie to do what we were born to do: to kill our enemies! And after that, we will kill another enemy, and then another and then another still!"

[wanton pendant]

'And make the children do it for us.'

Yharim, I remember our genocides.

[icy veldt]

Yharon should look happier reminiscing about all the genocides he helped Yharim commit

[limpid saddle]

yeah

[swift badger]

who won?

[limpid saddle]

If i recall he was on the backfoot too

Statis was about to get in a lethal strike before the Devourer pulled up & banished them both to the Distortion

Statis got out by being tricked by Signus into a deal that insured only he got out & that Signus got his arm, leaving Braelor trapped in the Distortion

So eventually when the Distortion gets added we're gonna rescue Braelor

[swift badger]

is statis dead though?

[mighty zenith]

nope

[limpid saddle]

???

No hes just out an arm

Why would he be dead

[swift badger]

we haven't seen them in the game ever

[mighty zenith]

yea cause he hasnt been added yet

[limpid saddle]

Yeah because he hasnt been added yet

damnit

[swift badger]

oh

[limpid saddle]

garbo got there first

[mighty zenith]

🐌

[swift badger]

💔

[limpid saddle]

You gotta remember Calamity is unfinished

[swift badger]

yeah

[limpid saddle]

It's playable but it's not the full intended experience

[swift badger]

are there any dates for upcomming big updates

[limpid saddle]

No

The Cal Devs as far as im aware never do release dates for updates

puts too much pressure on the team & disappoints the fanbase if they fail to cross that finish line or it comes out underbaked

[swift badger]

is it know what the next big update is going to be?

[wanton pendant]

Water update.

[limpid saddle]

We do have an outline of how the overhauls are gonna happen in order though

[wanton pendant]

Now 20% more Water.

[limpid saddle]

We got Sunken Sea Overhaul Part 1

Thats like, 70% done?

Its mostly re-vamping pre-hardmode progression

[swift badger]

thats nice

[limpid saddle]

Then we have Sunken Sea Overhaul Part 2, which has some abyss stuff & early hardmode progression

I may be misremembering but I believe it's then to the Brimstone Crag overhaul, which is gonna let us explore the acrual city of iforgotitsname instead of just the outskirts so thats fun

I think theres something else, then theres the Distortion update that revamps early post-moonlord & adds the Distortion subworld alongside reworks for every Distortion boss

Then we arrive at the Yharim update

[wanton pendant]

Azafure

[limpid saddle]

yeah thats it

[wanton pendant]

Can't wait to reach Yharim and for him to say 'Terrarian, there is one thing you must know. Chara made me do it.'

[mighty zenith]

that wasnt me that was chara

chara killed him

[young socket]

why would kris do that to noelle what the fuck

[wanton pendant]

'Chara made me groom children into being weapons of war you gotta believe me'

[robust osprey]

terrarian, it wasn't my intention, it's that...thing! the SOUL inside of me! it's controling me

the friend inside me!

[wanton pendant]

'I ordered the witch to put the Archmage into some kind of... snowgrave.'

[robust osprey]

and then yharim takes off his helmet and reveals himself to be woody toystory

[crisp kite]

https://tenor.com/view/truth-nuke-truth-nuke-fim-friend-inside-me-gif-813642183016681211

[wanton pendant]

'Draedon fell into his own creation, and became... redacted.'

'It looks like in this dark world... there was a Calamity...'

[robust osprey]

if too many dark fountains are open, a calamity will occur

[wanton pendant]

The Roaring Jungle Dragon

What dragons do we know of?

[stoic gulch]

Susie

[robust osprey]

theres yharon

and uh

zeratros

vesatryl I think was the name

and thats about it

[spring helm]

Vetrasyl

[robust osprey]

close enough

[spring helm]

Well those are the named ones anyway

There are more that we know of, but not the name

[robust osprey]

theres other dragons but we dont know their names yeah

[real silo]

wrong

[robust osprey]

like gluttony dragon (soul absorbed by slime god)

[real silo]

Gloomborf is there

[spring helm]

Death
Life
Emptiness(?)
Gluttony

Form?

[real silo]

emptiness is the god

[wanton pendant]

Flame.

[robust osprey]

emptiness is shakidou dragon was dark I think?

[real silo]

the dragon is night

[spring helm]

I see

[robust osprey]

close enough

[real silo]

you're enough

Flame and frost

Life death rebirth

[spring helm]

Oh right the mega mammoth dragon

[inner surge]

Who did Silva eat?

[spring helm]

Life

[real silo]

Life

[spring helm]

🐌

[robust osprey]

mods, 🐌 react this user

[real silo]

nuh uh

[spring helm]

Based keyboard, all is forgiven

[stoic gulch]

Popcorn was first

[real silo]

nope

[real silo]

The name raelvanna has been going around (for life dragon) but idt it's been confirmed yet

[spring helm]

When is glup shitto gonna be added

[robust osprey]

tomorrow

[wanton pendant]

Calamity Tomorrow?

[spring helm]

[icy veldt]

When is Blorbius Scrunklius going to be added?

[spring helm]

Wait I just backread a bit, SSO part 1 is only 70% done?

I’m going to fucking get my phd before this mod finishes

[icy veldt]

Approximately

[robust osprey]

it's 666% done

[wanton pendant]

Very, very interesting.

[icy veldt]

Estimates of completion progress aren't really that accurate most of the time

The first 90% of the update takes the first 90% of the time. The remaining 10% of the update takes the next 90% of the time

[spring helm]

What

[icy veldt]

(Universal law of project management)

[spring helm]

180%

[icy veldt]

Exactly

[wanton pendant]

I'm still waiting for the Mucus Dragon boss.

[icy veldt]

It implies that completion takes 180% of the original estimated time

[wanton pendant]

'Terrarian, it's time you knew the truth. My name is not Yharim, but it is John Calamity.'

[spring helm]

“You’re wrong! This is my Tale of a Cruel World!”

[wanton pendant]

'We're Terraria: Calamity Mod, and you're dead!'

[jaunty wraith]

"Let us end this calamity mod for the tmod loader 1.4.4"

[soft geyser]

Who is generally considered stronger noxus or fosvos

[light linden]

fovos at full power and noxus are roughly the same strength I think

[cloud ibex]

didn't cei state that prime ml is way above everyone other than xeroc

[split mortar]

Yeah fovos beats everyone but xeroc in base cal

[wanton pendant]

You gotta remember he fought all of the dragons and nearly won.

[light linden]

when?

[split mortar]

Its been consistently said prime moonlord wins against everyone but xeroc and is like the only person to even have a sliver of a chance to win against xeroc even if unrealistic in practice iirc

[wanton pendant]

Mucus Dragon solos.

[wheat walrus]

green dragon>

[bitter slate]

does anyone know if calamity has one of them big 2 hour+ long videos for its lroe

[random mulch]

would not recommend youtube for the lore

due to the big lore rewrite from 2 years ago it can get kinda muddy

[split mortar]

Videos are rather unreliable sadly

[random mulch]

first pin leads to a document with all of the lore

[bitter slate]

got it

ill just have to play through the game again, and experience it the fun way

[random mulch]

it's fun to figure it out yourself but heads up, the lore is still considered incomplete as a lot of it isnt in the mod yet

and unless it's from the bestiary, don't take things objectively

a lot of the dialogue from npcs is also outdated

[bitter slate]

got it, im gonna figure out how to compile all of it so i can lore dump my gf

[wanton pendant]

And there's plenty of unanswered or unclear things, like the precise timeline, why Calamitas has a scar, etc.

Like, the real answer is it looks cool.

But that's not a lore answer.

[limpid saddle]

I feel like it's fair to assume the scar comes from one of two places, her battle with the Brimstone Elemental, or her battle with Ontonilou

[wanton pendant]

Or maybe Yharim's a jerk.

[limpid saddle]

Both make sense but theres an interesting thematic direction with both choices

[wanton pendant]

Or she tripped as a toddler and that's why the brothers are so protective.

Were.

[limpid saddle]

ok he was a manipulative asshole he wasn't belting his soldiers 🥀

[wanton pendant]

Maybe she said 'I don't wanna burn down that orphanage!' so he showed her his best cat impression.

[limpid saddle]

Ok now Calamitas is being mischaracterized

the point of her part in the Crusades is that she used slaughter as an unhealthy outlet for her rage & grief

If Yharim turned her in the general direction of an orphanage & said 'thats the enemy' they're already dead

[wanton pendant]

Yes, but as time went on she began to be crushed by the weight of her actions, it's not completely unreasonable to believe she may have been less cooperative near the end of her career.

[limpid saddle]

she literally grilled a city for him i dont think orphanage is where Crusades Calamitas drew the line

& the way it's been said it seems like the destruction of Illmeris was her last act under Yharim's orders & she disappeared after that

[wanton pendant]

Where is it said that Ilmeris was one of the last things? That and the last thing she did was 'kill' Permafrost, and even then she faked it.

[limpid saddle]

I think Illmeris was after Permafrost's desertion

[wanton pendant]

That makes no sense?

[young socket]

ilmeris is what caused permafrosts leave, and therefore cals one

[limpid saddle]

@long bloom you were working on a timeline right whats the order of operations?

thanks tsuki

ignore the ping tengal

[wanton pendant]

That's what I was thinking, making his adopted daughter nuke a country would make anyone rebel.

[young socket]

draedon explains that cal has been sent on several missions by yharim whenever perma was away and wouldnt know

[wanton pendant]

Bit hard to hide something like that.

[limpid saddle]

He didnt rebel though he just left

Yharim percieved that as a betrayal because he was on his apathetic insane warmonger arc

[wanton pendant]

Yeah, that's what I meant, defection.

[young socket]

near the beginning of the brimstone witch inqiury, draedon says:
The Archmage was firmly opposed to her fighting, though Yharim would often send her on covert missions while Permafrost attended to other matters.

and near the middle:
After the Incineration, however, my research came to an abrupt and unplanned end. The Archmage had already chosen to desert Yharim, and Calamitas followed in his footsteps shortly thereafter.

[limpid saddle]

Yeah so Ilmeris was the straw that broke the camels back, & the sealing of Permafrost broke the camels second back-up back

It wasnt a gradual thing of losing faith in the Crusades for Calamitas at least it was quite abrupt

So I don't think Yharim would have had any reason at any point to physically abuse her

[wanton pendant]

Well, my argument is not that it WAS Yharim, it's that it COULD have been Yharim, since we don't know. For example, I don't think the notion that Calamitas may have tried to say no to killing Permafrost isn't completely unreasonable, was attacked by Yharim for refusing, and forced to do it anyway, then faked it and went into hiding herself. That isn't to say that is what happened, just that it isn't impossible. It being the sea god or Brimstone Elemental are also very likely candidates.

Or, hell, it could have been some kinda sparring accident, we don't know.

Or she tried petting Yharon and he didn't like it.

[limpid saddle]

Yeah but the scarring being from one of her two great desperate conflicts makes alot more thematic sense with the story

[limpid saddle]

no we know Yharon & Calamitas were chill

they barely interacted though

[wanton pendant]

There would also be some thematic symbolism of her being harmed by someone she probably looked up to.

[limpid saddle]

Anyway point being with the Brimstone Elemental it ties with the psychological scarring with the tragedy & downfall of Azafure, a permeneant reminder of her failure that she needs to learn/has learned to move on from, & with Ontonilou its a reminder of her past as a raging weapon of a Tyrant, a scar from a fight with someone who fought for justice & stood against Yharim

[limpid saddle]

We don't know much about their dynamic during the Crusades, but that late in, Yharim was a man none but the most devout of his army could respect

[wanton pendant]

She was young and impressionable, and Yharim even claims that she was begging him for aid when they first met, though they don't elaborate if it was for shelter or for vengeance.

[limpid saddle]

????

[wanton pendant]

It's not unlikely she wouldn't have been fully aware of Yharim's character.

[limpid saddle]

ok can you pull up your source on that

[wanton pendant]

Calamitas lore item

[limpid saddle]

Last I recall all he says is she was found in the ruins of Azafure by his men & taken to his court, where Permafrost pleaded with Yharim to let her live & work with him instead of presumably killing her because she was an insanely strong emotionally unstable 13 year old

[wanton pendant]

It doesn't mention anything about HOW she got there, unless that is stated somewhere else that I haven't seen.

[limpid saddle]

Ok one minute

[wanton pendant]

Regardless, it states that she was 'prostrated' which is to throw yourself onto the ground in submission or reverence.

[limpid saddle]

It doesnt seem like she said much of anything during that first interaction

reads alot more like shell shock to me

[wanton pendant]

Not an unreasonable conclusion.

But we shouldn't ignore the fact that Yharim is not a reliable narrator, either due to ignorance, dishonesty, or witholding information, just his word isn't enough to make great conclusions. Hopefully future updates may describe the scene from other characters perspectives.

[limpid saddle]

I believe the dialouge overhaul is coming in SSO part 1

So we will probably be able to just directly ask Permafrost & Calamitas about said events

[wanton pendant]

Regardless, the original point stands, we don't know where the scar came from.

So unless that dialogue update has her just tell us, we'll just have to wait.

[pliant ruin]

I mean yeah i fully believe Calamitas looked up to yharim

It'd make perfect sense and i mean guy highly manipulated her

I do'nt see why she wouldn't have looked up to him specially given Azafure was like yharpaganda central

It'd be a very effective method of manipulation if Calamitas looked up to him as some sort of heroic figure and Yharim abused of that admiration and devotion to make her do fucked up evil shit until she slowly realized that she was doing fucked up evil shit

[long bloom]

that would be cool

[wanton pendant]

That's what I'm saying, I mean she did literally nuke a country for him, you don't just do that without thinking they know what they're doing.

[icy veldt]

Would that mean that Calamitas might start to resent her old home city, or her own people, for being so Yharim-aligned?

Later on, I mean, maybe even after being given a home by the Terrarian

[wanton pendant]

It's indicated that Azafure has bad memories associated with it and doesn't like being in the ruins, as according to Yharim it's 'ladened with regret'

That and she doesn't have the energy to resent Yharim, in her current state she doesn't have the capacity, too traumatised.

[pliant ruin]

I mean to be fair her dialogue is being rewritten

[mighty zenith]

she definitely can resent him

[icy veldt]

She needs meth

[mighty zenith]

she hates that guy

[pliant ruin]

I fully believe they'll change that

Like yeah no she might not have the energy to confront him direclty

[mighty zenith]

she just literally cant act on it because he's not even accessible

[pliant ruin]

Like fair enough

But hate? Yeah no she definitely hates the guy

[wanton pendant]

That's fair, I'm just going off the current dialogue, how am I meant to know the future dialogue.

[icy veldt]

It's a learning experience. Being here is the first step

[pliant ruin]

Cei posted tidbits of it here earlier but i don't blame you for not knwoing stuff thats not ingame yet

[wanton pendant]

Can I see it?

[pliant ruin]

i can try finding it

There's this one

[mighty zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/principal-principal-skinner-seymour-seymour-skinner-no-gif-19095068

[pliant ruin]

And also this one

[mighty zenith]

i ate the lore

[pliant ruin]

Calamitas has kind of a very formal and apathethic energy to her rn kinda? In her dialogue i mean

But her updated dialogue shows her as just much more casual and nonchalant

And also funny

sometimes

funnywoman

calamitas the brimstone funnywoman

[wanton pendant]

Who knew that not being a homeless orphan was good for you.

[alpine jetty]

calamitas is a girlbossfailure

she plays call of duty and makes mlg edits

and then in public she’s super professional

[wanton pendant]

She's after spending like, 5-6 years living in caves, probably eating bunnies that get too close, sleeping on the floor, let her call her dad dad.

[alpine jetty]

nah she has a comical supply of doritos that she eats

[wanton pendant]

There's no nutritional value!

She'd be running on empty!

Luckily for her, all water is apparently potable in Terraria.

[alpine jetty]

no because she also has her comical supply of white monster

[wanton pendant]

But it's apparently tradition to eat the bottles.

Well, I guess that solves the whole sleeping on the floor thing if you have so much caffeine you can't sleep. Unless she's the kind of person who gets tired from caffeine.

Her fight dialogue should just be complaining about how much her back hurts from sleeping on rocks.

[arctic forge]

calamitas the homless girlboss 💔

[wanton pendant]

Somehow still the harder pick over the peak of engineering.

[alpine jetty]

i like to imagine she has a velvet sofa

idk i have a

very specific image in my head

[wanton pendant]

Calamitas is not allowed nice things, unfortunately.

[arctic forge]

the spiderman of calamity

[alpine jetty]

of her eating doritos on a couch in a cave playing call of duty and being rizzin

[arctic forge]

specifically buys a red couch so she can wipe her hands on it and not have to clean it

[wanton pendant]

This is the kinda thing I invision, but without melancholic rain.

[alpine jetty]

true

[alpine jetty]

can you get a red couch and doritos and a tv with call of duty

then tthats my vision

and a fridge with nothing in it

[wanton pendant]

She doesn't have a controller, she lost it, so she's stuck on the title screen.

No fridge alt, because that was a last second addition.

[alpine jetty]

LMAO THIS IS JT