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It doesn't have to be a normal living being, she can be like. Made entirely of primordial stem cells that can grow into any living thing, put into the shape of a humanoid
she is obviously just a plant
they correspond to the empedoclean elements plus one
Doesn't look like it
flesh plant 
The plants carnivorous
She is a goddess she can probably make herself look like she has skin when it's just plant
If you cut open Silva you find planty mush inside
I found an npc in Skyward Sword named Silva & he was a mole guy with a goatee & messy hair
We have no reason to believe that Silva is a plant when she is the goddess of life/nature, which includes significantly more than just plants
Or rather, no reason to believe that she is exclusively a plant
shes a elemental shes weird magic goop idk
The sand elemental is made of sand and magic. The cloud elemental is made of clouds and magic. The life elemental should be made of life and magic
Fire is also not a tangible object.
i'd say it is
Life is more tangible than fire, as a living thing probably requires some kind of physical form
insane take
you can be on fire, you can see it, you can't do that with a concept
Fire is objectively not a tangible object. It is an event that occurs when a chemical reaction consumes two materials and produces a large amount of heat and gas in a positive feedback loop
it's way more tangible than a concept
man im fire asf you cant touch me
Life is like that too. Something can be alive and you can observe that
Life isnt tangible but living things are which isnt a huge jump
Yeah exactly
w that logic fire also is a concept
man im conceptual asf im outerversal
living things aren't life, they're living things
that's not what life is
Life and fire are both conditions applied to physical objects
I disagree
man you're life
Did you miss the “which isnt a huge jump”
you a life form, a form of life
If fire is physical then a burning thing must be fire, otherwise fire can't be a physical thong
Just like burning things are fire, and fire is just a concept. You can't have it both ways
You are made of life in the same way that a burning object is made of fire
you aren't made of life, you literally are life
like holy shit
life on this planet, like the plants on my balcony, me and not my cat who's beyond concepts
Yeah. You're just being contradictory
You are carbon and other materials under the condition of being alive
carbon is a part of it
jesse what the fuck are you talking about
The thing that makes you different from inanimate carbon is that state of being alive, thus you are life
if you take the life away from me, my body is still there
You are not your body
???????????????
Your body is still there and so is the carbon
then life is intangible if the body doesn't matter
The carbon and such isn't you
I am talking abt the condition that distinguishes animals and plants from inorganic matter, including the capacity for growth, reproduction, functional activity, and continual change preceding death.
🥀
Exactly. Just like fire. EXCEPT
The intangible thing still requires a physical medium to exist in
You can have matter without life, but you can't have life without matter
is air not physical??
that just means you're not life anymore
Air is physical but also irrelevant
oh that's rich
fire exists in air
same way a fire isn't a fire anymore the moment I pour lots of water on it
It actually doesn't, that's not how it works.
you can't have fire in a vacuum
yes but it doesnt exist in air
You can have fire in any situation where oxygen and carbon can combine into carbon dioxide and release heat into its surroundings. When this takes place in air, the air is heated in a pattern we recognize as flames, but the fire isn't inherently tied to any specific part of the air
You dont exist without air either
lore discussion peaked 2 minutes ago when we were arguing about living things being life or not
We're never reaching such a zenith ever again
You can have combustion without any observable flames
then where does it exist? the fucking void???
It doesn't. It isn't a tangible object. Just like heat
Will this void ever cease
it's MORE TANGIBLE than the concept of life
that's my argument
Yeah. And my argument is that your reasoning is not sound
i mean like yeah?? fire is also more tangible than the concept of fire
It is exactly equally as tangible as life
Beep
life is exclusively a concept
this user has never felt the touch of another lifeform
That doesn't make sense
/j
LIVING THINGS AREN'T MADE OF LIFE
I CANNOT TOLERATE IT ANY LONGER
life is defined using a concept as a base, it is not a concept in and of itself
explain
the condition that distinguishes animals and plants from inorganic matter, including the capacity for growth, reproduction, functional activity, and continual change preceding death.
"the origins of life"
You're life
So if life is exclusively a concept does that mean killing someone means i killed a concept
you have yet to back up this claim
Arguably yes
"life on earth" it's you and me and the trees and my cat and dog

you're life
These depend on arbitrary definitions
I'm life
PEAK
Chat the bacteria are outerversal
you clearly have not had a discussion about memetics
eliminating something does not mean eliminating the concept of it
are you dead
ffs
Im making a joke
i'm a lifeform i'm not life itself
is this draedon
A form of water isn't water
ok draedon
there aren't forms of water??
A form of dance isn't dance
life is a thing with an attached concept
you're saying things that aren't real
Chat the bacteria are outerversal
A form of movement isn't movement, a form of animal isn't an animal, a form of cancer isn't cancer
ffs
you mean type?
this yo logic
you're misconstruing physicality with the idea of reality
sound waves arent a physical thing but sound still very much exists
yes, you can call a cat a form or type of animal
and an animal is a form of life
xt wtf are you on about
much like how a bacteria or plant or fungus is a form of life
My type of life is one where i spend it looking at dumb arguments on discord instead of sleeping
this started with the word lifeform
Obtuse atp
You're a form of life
A type
If I touch you I'm touching life
no, you're touching skin
We're a type of mammal not a type of life
"hurr durr the concept of life" with concept talk then the concept of fire is equally as hard to grasp
You are not touching
Atoms dont
i'm talking about fire as it exists
no such thing applies to life
Skin that has the property of being alive and thus is life
congratulations, coastline paradox.
Melon I'm eating you
that's not how it works
You're insane. You aren't capable of reason
Im being dumb atp ive stopped giving fucks
It does
According to your arbitrarily chosen and logically contradictory definition
You can freely call living beings "life" and it makes sense
Fire concept and fire in action
Life concept and life in action
meaningless distinctions for the sole purpose of winning an argument does not reflect well on your argument
Yea
explain the contradiction
I already did but it didn't work because you are incapable of reason
You're not dead
I'm stuff 😲
link the message then
You're life and the things you're made of are what make you life, living, alive
Wild
Not going to bother
if i'm dead that doesn't mean i'm death
i am alive, i am not life itself
how convenient
"you aren't touching life you're touching skin" ok, am i touching you in that case? are you skin? or are you more than just individual parts?
Can this dumbass topic stop being life already
I don't actually care about winning an unwinnable argument
big misunderstanding
you arent the ENTIRETY OF LIFE but you are a subset of life
omni's argument is "you are life"
Stop acting stupid 💔 you're a form of life, a form of life is life. And if you bring up life as a concept then that logic applies to everything since you cannot touch a fucking concept.
you can be defined as life, yes
Ragebait atp
A house fire and forest fire are both fire
Yiu dont need to refer to the concept to still mean that thing
what
you literally said that verbatim multiple times
This dude must be a particularly sneaky bot
Because it's true
Stop ducking
then how am i ragebaiting by repeating it???
You are life but not the entire fucking concept of it across the universe
as i said previously
you're misconstruing concepts with physicality
You have no way of proving you're not life, and the moment you talk about the concept then every concept is equally ungraspable
Alright, fine, I'll try one more time
"life" as a thing doesn't exist outside a concept
there are living things, there aren't life things
There are burning things there arent fire things
Your arguments are disingenuous as hell, based on only reading the parts that allow you to make a response and also being a stick about specific definitions that are wrong. You have yet to prove me how a lifeform is not life, and "life" definitely exists outside of being a concept cause once again what are you. Bait or stupid now
fire is more tangible than life because you can see, hear, smell and feel it
I can hear smell and feel the outside
I can smell you from here take a shower
I can smell you from here take a shower
mitosis
Like the grass
Discord doubling this message sob
Fire and life are both arbitrary concepts that we define by observation. An object is never entirely life, or entirely fire, but an object can have the property of being alive or of being on fire, and they become examples or instances of those respective phenomena under this condition. The phenomena requires a physical medium to exist, but it is not exactly that physical thing. Wether an instance of fire/life is itself fire/life is arbitrary and you to interpretation, but they are equivalent. The same reasoning applies to intelligence or minds, to sound, to heat, and so on. Some are more easily quantifiable than others but all basically work the same way
I can observe life just as I can observe fire, but the qualifications for something being alive are just less intuitive
Kiss on the forehead for this
yes i mostly agree with this
my main argument is that fire is more tangible than life
So it is still tangible
not completely tangible, just more
Ao you can touch life
i disagree
I disagree on the grounds that this is a purely subjective assessment
you can touch living things, you cannot touch life
Monster Hunter Frontier
Boring
bye
You aint ducking this we need to hr2 raviente tmrw
💔
I disagree but you can also disagree and neither of us are entirely right or wrong
IT'S NOT RIGHT OR WRONG 🗣️ IT'S NOT RIGHT OR WROOONNGGGGG 🔥
Words are arbitrary i change the definitions to mean im right and you all are wrong goodbye
true
Right so yur wrong and im right
Monster Hunter Frontier isn't arbitrary
Those words are
When I reach that boss that gatekept the entire community for 9 months I'm gonna pull up to your house and force you to do it at applegunpoint
😭
Whole ass human could have been crafted during that time
A whole ass thingamabob
@long bloom brah u an idiot
thank you
is xzier ragebaiting again
Wish i could see the moment the first non-living matter came together in that one specific way to become living matter
Then I could see the line
Wish I could go back and prevent that moment
Same, but I'm curious about what would happen to the timeline's integrity
maybe life would just occur elsewhere
so you'd have to go around and stopping it all
Might be radically different, due to the different way in which it forms
ohh thats true
When I return to the present and pee is now blue instead of red
now wait just a minute
hello i have a question did yharim and dreadon broke up after the genocidal tyrant was angry about dreadon killimg some bees or am i severely missinformed
Yharim ex-communicated Draedon after being told about the Plague and what Draedon was doing with the Plaguebringer Goliath
because to Yharim, this was the very kind of exploitation of life that he was fighting against
he has a simple fondness for the Jungle bees given the queen bee lore item but beyond that it was about his "Morals"
thanks
he's fine with genocide but draws the line at slavery
sybau (posthumously taken back)
what
macaroni and cheese
can you like actually explain this though because i'm real sick of people being rude to me for no reason
why
im gonna be honest i just reread what they said and i think im stupid
understandable
idk its fun
its not slavery its just bees being poisoned
enslaving them to the plague's will
i thought the plauge just killed them mb
isnt pbg a robot
i am being introduced to a whole new realm of lore rn
read the jungle research log
taylore
More of a cyborg
Used to be a regular queen bee but got hit with the draedon roboticization
what is the lore for the celestial pillars?
moonlord's army iirc
We don't know the details yet
Yeah Plaugebringer is a Queen Bee converted by Dreadon's nanovirus called the, well 'Plauge', & given some sick asf jet thrusters
The nanovirus itself basically eats all the organs you don't need to move & pilots your hollowed out-corpse like a mecha as it seeks more biological matter to consume & integrate
Theres probably a bit of brain left in there though
Whats the correct name for draedon plague
Ive heard ppl calling it plague nanobots, or is it nanoplague bots
or simply plague
all of them r correct call it whatevr
Nanomachines son
ok so you know how humans started killing dragons to become gods how did the humans just easly kill them off arent the dragons powerful enough to injure the moonlord?
- Dragons varied a lot in strength
- A person can rise up in power and kill the dragon, or multiple people can team up if needed
Yharim is above yharon despite being a human
whaoh Monster hunter reference
wild
Im going to pluck the teeth out your pfp
Your eyes will be covered in sand
I’d say they’re equals. They were both banished to the underworld before Yharon rebirthed and led them both out.
Yharim is gonna be the final boss while yharon is pre scal/exos
In their friendship yeah theyre equals
Yharim is just actually stronger
yeah they're not like above eachother as in hierarchical superiority or one controlling the other or anything but
in terms of actual like power
yeah yharim is just stronger
Gotcha
I’d have to re-look at the lore so I could remember how Yharon and Yharim are
But yea-
Providence had help beating her dragon iirc. The guardians were helping I believe back when they were also humans
Yuh
the girlboss squad
Yeh it was a 4v1 seemingly
Not to mention Provi and the guardians probably already were competent fighters back then too
Do Terrarians live longer than humans?
They can but thats due to magic fuckery and its only a few decades longer (excluding perma but he is CRACKED at it)
Id say same length as humans without any magic fuckery
How old is perma!
Centuries
o
Permafrost half freezes himself via magic so he ages many times slower
iirc
And is like 400-500 years old iirc
closer to 550 i think
@manic coral answer for your crimes of making an old man
How old is the man
old
I'm old!
Garbo is actually ancient
Boomer
He's old!
the permanent cold man not the turtle old man
how should we tell her
yharim is the literal last priority they have in terms of adding
once all plans are done and everything else added will yharim be worked on
dont expect the guy for years
Probably a decade at the current rate
anyways guess what im cooking rn
terraria cookbook
how chartious
Terraria map
this is cannon for gos btw
Replacing your blood with pure oxygen for this
Balloon boy
wait how do i get in the art channel 
its a separate server
oooooooooh ok ok
oh look amongus imposteritis
Neat
if
if he killed the cult members
then how did the cult members r
revive GoS
could have been different members. I just dont really see yharim of all people sparing god´s followers
Yharim probably killed one group of his cultists
The other ones showed up to remove his corpse. Tried to revive him and got absorbed
Neat how normal he looks with the robes and mask on
Hides the messed up stuff very well
And doesn’t scream “hi I am evil” or anything
Just ominous
The guy isnt evil
So thats a good job on their end
Yeah it can be hard to actually hit that creepy-as-hell-but-not-actually-malicious look
it's peak
what if Yharim became a concept, its someone who pushed through all the odds and doing everything they can to achieve their goal
does this mean Terrarian is Yharim and by default fulfilled Yharim wish to continue his work

maybe the real yharim was the friends we made along the way...
thought his name was argus for a moment and got confused
I thought for a second the bottom set of hands were feet lol until I saw him without his robes
what if it was all a dream of yharim in a coma and the lore items are his subconcious and its him reliving the fight with all his past enemies and and he wakes up at the end and draedon is the doctor and and yharon is old now
devourer of gods ? clearly something made in the comatose mind of a child
devourer of gods is actually just yharims childhood pet worm
for what
fnaf
Here's the thing: Scott cawthon is exactly the kind of dogshit writer to make that
scott actually referenced dream theory in a spinoff game lmao
yeah its totally just a child's nightmare and not a crazy experiment of the man in yellow (not yharim)
Purple guy
Bro got hacked
Putting that aside; I have some very specific questions about Azafurians (Azafurite? Azafurners? Australians?)
I've seen it claimed that they are humans adapted to hell after living there for generations.
Based on the one known (living) member, they possess a grey complexion and horns.
The skin is simple enough, an adaption to living in an environment without sunlight amongst magma, my question lies with the horns.
The first question is what is their composition; are they keratin, like nail, or the horns of a rhinocerous? Or are they bone, like antlers. Or perhaps they are not dissimilar to teeth, and are ivory.
Do they possess nerve endings, or blood vessels, that is, if they were to be cut, would it hurt, or bleed?
What evolutionary purpose did they serve, assuming they developed through standard evolution, or were they a consequence of exposure to the essence of hell? Were they culturally important?
If damaged, or severed, would they regrow? Do they shed like antlers? Do they have 'baby' horns that fall out and are replaced by adult horns? The concept of such a thing is what inspired these questions, for it was almost as accursed as the ruins of Azafure.
Based on the reanimated brothers, would it be reasonable to assume the men had bigger horns on average?
I know these are not the questions most would focus on, but I do like considering every detail.
Aw damn we saw him naked?
kind of takes away some of the mystery of the design but at least the anatomy is cool
Azafurians are still humans. theyll still bleed and likely hurt.
What if it was the terrarian thats in coma after fighting Yharim

We also know what her siblings' horns look like
One is more like antlers and the other is whatever that is
As for whether the horns would bleed idk
I don't think anyone's thought of that
I think most people headcanon them as stuff like goat or deer horns which don't bleed
on the contrary knowing the different layers of his design is awesome [especially as an artist
based
Im also an artist but I thought not knowing what was under the cloak was really interesting because it created multiple interpretations of what could be under it
I always thought the cloak implied a hunchback, but it could've been something like a weight to keep them grounded physically & spiritually, there were alot of interesting directions & while this revealed design isn't bad I think it could've been a more interesting choice to keep it intentionally up to interpretation
lowkey tired of things in this mod being up to interpretation 🥀
I mean fair
game name
to be clear i think it's good for things to be up to interpretation sometimes
just more tastefully
i.e. yharim maskless design
It should be revealed by an image where yharim kisses draedon
TRUE
must kinda suck to consume an auric soul and suddenly you just don't have any legs anymore
at least you can levitate
or i guess shuffle awkwardly in gos case
damn it must be even worse to not have arms too!
providence:
I wonder if Slime God can manipulate their core
yeah i was referring to GoS (or agnus ig)
Like make a goopy hand to grab stuff with
cant walk but cant fly either
how do you think they moved
his followers put him on a platform and carry that around
and before that it took him an hour to move a meter
flesh obilesk
which one
The gos one i think
Well that was only a month ago
& tbh i can never be sure if someone just thinks something thats old information is new information & misses the actual new information
the gods are now a slightly weirder bunch
I wouldn't be surprised
if Agnus's lack of legs wasn't purely due to the ascencion but something he willingly gave away
I love Agnus like
The circumstances around him are clearly very macabre
But they're not evil o r bad
He helps people, and they help him, and he clearly immensely cares about them
Like it's such a nice subversion
WAS THAT THE GENOCIDE OF '87?!
calamity is a avalon and fnaf crossover fanfic
Guys how would angus getting his domain power changed when turned into ravager effect the godly souls economy (unless I’m missing something)
wym by godly souls economy
I spit out words
It seems like by using the power of his own domain the cultists gave their souls to him to put his God Soul back together, but somehow the domain changed in that process
So maybe introducing more human souls to a God Soul can alter the domain?
Because i think its fair to assume the cultists wanted vengeance against Yharim for killing their God
So maybe their will is what changed his God Soul
are vanilla bestiary entries considered canon?
not yet
next update, any ones that are contradictory or could be made more interesting are getting changed
Gem critters ones are staying iirc
Gems are cursed!
some of em are unchanged
like the previously mentioned gem critters
so its partially canon

some writer (forgot which one) said the new moonlord bestiary will be the biggest fucking lore bombshell in history so very excited about that
Is Statigel still important in the lore?
Statigel the material isnt (afaik) but statis the person is
I mean the ninja yeah
Statis and their boyfriend braelor nearly killed yharim only a few months before game starts
Statis is also the last onyx kinsman alive
Onyx kinsman worshipped slimegod and signus
Statis is pretty important
I see i see, good to know that wasnt retconned
Given you'll Eventually actually meet him as a npc ingame with his own questline which will eventually culminate in things such as rescuing Braelor from the distortion and fighting Signus
And yeah hes one of the two dudes taht almost killed yharim
Okay so question, while Brelor being that strong is plainly obvious with his having divinity, but do have any clue why stasis Is that strong?
he's blessed by silva
Braelor is blessed by a goddess so id say the guy can be said to be divine
Statis is a dude with. Idk whatever ninjas have shurikens or something
I mean fair enough but i was under the impression they thought he was literally a god
You don't need to have super special powers to be strong
Yharim is , by all means
just a guy
Yharim is just punch strong
and he's literally the Strongest Guy besides like Xeroc
Idk if i'd say that tbh
Yharim IS litterally on omega steroids
Not really he's just like really strong
except he can still kill 50 people in one hit without the armor
ok well
Yharim just worked the fuck out for 90% of their strength
true
the armor lets him not be a glass cannon
Nowadays yharim has mechanical exo armour but that was very recent in the timeline b
His power comes from uhhh having like a ton of fighting experience and being really fucking physically strong and having a suit of armor made of the most cracked material ever
Like there really isn't much magicky bullshit going on in there
But even then he still is almost all the power not the armour
Much like how Yharim without much help of external forces or inherited powers can be strong as hell
So can someone like Statis or Braelor
still helps to fucking explode everything you punch
Though do note Braelor is most definitely the stronger of the two
True
Statis played more of a support role
I kinda just find It funny how the implication Is that Statis just used a pre-hardmode armor to throw hands with yharim
Dont think statis uses much armour
he didn't, he has regular ninja clothes
He dosen't seem like the type to wear armor yeah
New armor leaked
Where can find concept arts?
someone else post the art i don't have it
was it updated with GoS?
Statis, braelor, silva
Well fair enough it wasn't updated with the new xeroc design either
oof
i think he deserves one hes nice
How does the one can support yhsrim
He can give two hugs at once because he has four arms
this is objective proof he is a good person
well you can hug two people with two arms as well
If we're going half-hugs then he can do up to 4
Big people can receive many hugs
Did you know that gos gifts parts of his soul to infertile people so they can have children and those children contain his soul thus technically making them his children too
500 sons
genghis khan if he was awesome
ohwow
He looks so 𝓶𝓪𝓳𝓮𝓼𝓽𝓲𝓬
they look amazing!
wait where was this said
ah
source: i made it up
That would make sense though
it would
We should spread more lies into this chat
did you know yharon is legendary at mario kart
what is y'alls favorite god from calamity mod
Nah thats too obviously fake
me personally
gos
im a big god of chains conoisseur ngl
Did you know that Xeroc is stoned
Nebbie 
I really like gos
Both my headcanon and mango's version
I've always been fascinated by ravager's chain of soul inheritances ever since the lore rewrite
haha.
god of sacrifices is one of my favorites too he's just So Cool
byeah I was a day one gos fan
Gos is pretty cool yeah
i like xeroc idk
I like providence
I love how tragic his story is, i love how despite being the holder of a seemingly macabre domain and having a somewhat grotesque design, he's a genuinely kind and caring person, i love how he sacrificed himself for his people, ahhh
Yeah
Silva is Cute but i don't really know much about her but she gets a Honorable Mention for being Pretty
Xeroc is 2nd place because i like him
He's a chill guy.
1st place is GoS, 2nd place is Xeroc, 3rd place is silva
shrimple as that
i think the xeroc lore is fascinating
Xeroc also cool
Yup
Can't believe cheese didn't put god of chains in top 3
goat washed
Come to think of it most of my cal headcanons are related to gos
ok well if we're counting god of chains then shes my favorite smh...
Nebbie not goated anymore 💔
literally my blorbo
Dragon of death, pre ascension gos, god of blood, ravager
my creature
If goozma was canon...
I have headcanons for all of these
Where does ecumena the goddess of fate go 
She's a dragon 🙄
what's ur hc for god of blood
Yet is human 
One of the gos' most loyal followers who sacrificed his life to revive gos
interesting
Ok yeah rp related
every day every night i go to bed in the hopes that ill wake up
and ill go to lore chat
1 new messaghe from stipulate venus
"guys dragon of gluttonys name is canonically gloomborf now"
🔥 🔥 🔥
What the fuck.
@cosmic zenith make it canon
Nothing
She's, Nice :)
she's very nice
that's it
and. thats it
Has been compared to otonilou so quite nice
yep
cant believe we've gotten GoS personality before Silva
He didnt even have a name before this
Also I remember cei talking about her headcanon for dragon of death
also funny:
GoS is now the ONLY character with a last name
And it ended up being like 99% similar to mine
we have 3 nice gods, with a 4th whos likely also a good guy vs 1 singular really evil one
😭
Wrong scal's real name is Calami Tas
What's that
but we know nothing about those two so
Sounds like propaganda
Can we learn more about the perf and hivemind gods to be evil

eventually
god of war is the "core" god of perfs
god of dogma is the "core" of hive mind
essentially the most prevalent god amongst their amalgamated forms
god of perforators?
fogna balls
true
not that
Valeria Calamity
it's read as core-god of perfs not core god-of-perfs
ira sanguinos-💥 💥 💥
I know i just noticed cheese accidentally doubled over when they shouldnt have
showers
Yharim is secretly a japanese man whose surname is Yhar and his given name is Im
Perforators is iirc generally comrpised of more openly violent and brutal gods; The type of people who raid, pillage, kill, etc
God of war being the central one in that
Which is then going to be reflected in Perf's designa nd fight revolving around body horror, violence and such
Meanwhil
Dogma god is funny
Hive Mind is more insidious, manipulative and strategic gods, who carefully used others as pawns for their plans
God of Dogma being the central one, and
The design and fight will involve more on psychological horror and surreal/abstract themes
Don't quote me on this but i think that's the general consensus based on the info we've gotten in spoiler talk from triangle and tobias
Hallowed isn't evil
hallowed good boss
you are
😭
Wait I know
The world is evil that's why hallow has to cleanse it
Not for long
Not for much longer hopefully

Qs should be disabled in calamity
Post ml hallowed evil 2 alt
They gonna turn queen slime into a post ml hallowed boss
Disabling your fingers
Disabling your soul
She now needs a wherlchair
if calclone gets shifted to prehardmode i'm jumping off the dragon's aerie
why
slimy pillion replaced with slimy wheelchair
of chain?
maybe.
Cheese god
i have literally never ragebaited before
Doubt
Everyone rage baits at least once in their life
i meant here
Everyone rage baits it came free with your opinions
true
i think calamity mod should add a new boss that replaces supreme calamitas its called the hell ogre
you summon it in hell
it gets a hardmode counterpart you fight earlier called the lesser hell ogre
I am adding you as a boss
this isnt actually ragebait but its just an annoying asf thing to say
yeah probably
Clone getting swapped with SG will make QS make more sense
Like one thing is just like being skeptical
Thats fair
But like we don't know barely anything much about the boss progression changes so i'd say its best to not immediately jump to "this SUCKS this is BAD"
i've had 2 extensive convos with reb about it and i don't think it would work at all
or at least, it'll be much worse than it is now
Its the same incredibly annoying behavior that leads to people hating on unfinished wip sprites
Calclones current spot kinda just sucks gameplay wise imo
And lore wise
Cal clone being in the same progression spot as plantera and being an alternate for certain things
Calclone just kinda sucks in every way
Yeah
She has barely any ingame lore currently, one of the lamest and most obviously Fabsolian boss fights in the game
idk i think it's the most fun boss to fight
i very much enjoy the learning curve
The best thing about it is Music
Shout out to plantera unlocking half the game and calclone unlocking like
One rogue set
A boss being fun dosen't make it Good because fun is a highly subjective thing
@limpid saddle meet your people
but the gameplay isn't why i don't want it to be moved
I mean yeah
Umbraphile is pretty cool
I am sending you into the shadow realm
If umbra why not eclipse related
The roleplay rot is taking half the lore chat over
Smh chese
Cheese more like solid aged milk
I think calclone narratively being the last boss you fight in pre hardmode can be pretty cool and cei has already convinced me of this much
did anyone else see stip was typing a minute ago
Stip you aren't allowed to run anyway
Dragon of gluttony should be named kirby
Who is gloomborf
gout tony
gouttony
But yeah like anyways it works really well as a sort of Fakeout Ending essentially. You fight "Calamitas" as the final boss of prehardmode
And it can also work really well as like. You meet the Calamitas that the Crusade wants you to know that Kills People and Destroys Things and then you get into hardmode and meet Permafrost and you Talk With Him and slowly meet the Real Calamitas, the person with regrets, emotions and empathy
Gouttony
gouda
mm
i could
go for gouda
right now
unfortunately i am broke
next month ill buy osme
surely
goudako
Make money
From
i'm unemployed... 🥀
thought i was the only one
Get a job
I'M TRYING
calclone can be really cool and i think the Plans they have for her are interesting but as she Is she kind of Sucks
Want my job I hate it
Like i think Calclone Will Be Cool but she is Not Cool Right Now
what do you even work as lmao
Grocery store
damn
all things considered probably where ill end up too
😭
Unless i manage to clutch and use my english certificate to get a job in a hotel or smth
Canadian grocery store
canada fans when can'tada
I am Canadian
1: the fakeout ending can be in mid hardmode, pre hardmode already sorta has one with wof
2: just have permafrost only open up about calamitas once you defeat the clone
3: your first encounter with a god works much better as the end of pre hardmode than an encounter with the perceived main villain
4: silence before the storms would fucking suck if it was directly pre-wof and then there would be no interludes in hardmode
Are you a maple leaf
No
Wow ok
There's also no prelude in pre hard mode I don't think that quite matters
3: your first encounter with a god works much better as the end of pre hardmode than an encounter with the perceived main villain
I mean yeah that's kind of the point
It's a fakeout ending because it's a perceived main villain except It's Not Actually
wof isn't a fakeout at all its just. a boss
it's a fakeout becasue it's. Calamitas
that's like The Point
Because gameplay wise it works much better?
how
calclone being phm levels weak would suck
Calclones spot rn sucks ass
Why?
because it's supposed to be a clone of calamitas? the brimstone witch?
it should be strong
you always complain about things and you either dont elaborate or when youj "elaborate" you do it with points that are essentially just repeating the same thing over and over
Is end of prehardmode not strong?
not really no
It's a clone of calamitas except it's literally just a regular person
With only a small fraction of her power
Dont you be a local legend if you can solo like fucking king slime
How "strong" she should be is entirely arbitrary
Tbh Cal clone doesn't have anywhere near her full extent of magic
A spot as the final boss of pre hm (Barring WoF) is enough to make it have the impact it deserves to have already
I'd argue more than just a random early hm boss
Albeit that is subjective
That failed. Nothing human remains
it would just be a lot less believable as actual calamitas if it was pre hardmode imo
No draedon didnt fail
So much hate. And i so agree
Yeah she's just a normal person, biologically
I assume Yharim saying "Nothing human remains" is more so reffering to her psyche
It only has a FRACTION of the witches power, and even that fucked up the human
yeah i'm bad at explaining my thoughts but that's not ragebaiting
Still is a genetic clone of calamitas
I read the lore document. Its just the mechanical shell that remains
no???
????
just making shit up now
I think they might've just misunderstood
She is a complete copy of Calamitas, 100% her genetics
Yeah ysee
The thing is, her magic isn't genetic
The lore itme does actually say that
And her bestiary entry too
but
Don't quote me on this
She gained it upon exposure to Supreme Calamitas
I believe that these are results of needing a justification for her severely outdated sprite and with the narrative being built for CalClone currently, they might get rewritten?
As SCal gained it upon exposure to the Brimstone Elemental
The current narrative being painted both through things such as Draedon's communication ingame and some talks we've had with developers here seem to hint at the fact she is, biologically, just a regular person
Not first time there is a needed justification
Queenslime and slime god moment is another i can think of
Well it says the pod houses her clone
Ok so i was wrong it ONLY being the shell remaining, my other points stand
which remember current canon says it's a life support system
As in her humanity
Yeah i'd say this is likely outdated
Because she got brimstoned
Again, probably a situation where, yeah
& also that
They just needed a justification for the wackass sprite ingame
And as they've developed the lore further they'll likely rewrite it?
calclone lore is very outdated yes
Outside of her creation itself pretty sure that remains the same
the new sprite plans are. woah
But the point is, that it cant be a 100% clone. If it was a good clone, she could have completely containes the power. She didnt. She FAILED
Calamitas's power isn't genetic or biological
Magic is not from genetics
She gained thenm
No that was because of her lack of mental strength
So yes it can still be a 100% clone evne without her powers
Because it's not something Cal inherently just has; Keep in mind she's just a regular Azafurian
100% genetic clone ≠ same magical strength
When SCal gained her powers, she was determined to avenge her brothers
When Clone gained her powers, she was just ejected from a storage tank & looking at herself (not literally) & was all confused before BAM brimstone blast
Didnt say that. The generics wouldve had the same endurance to these powers
She lacked the clarity of mind & previous development as a human being to withstand gaining the brimstone magic
read the above please
Yep, i did. Bad time to send my message
It's cool, easy to misinterpret without having mired yourself in here for a while
Yeahh i am new here
And immediatly got bombarded for mentioning infernum in the non addon channel
its how it goes
This is confirmation
Let’s goooo
I'm facing you head on... and you're bold to think you can butt heads with me 
It's a matter of what you consider "human"
She's lost her dignity and mental health, but her issues definitely stem from a human perspective
You could argue she's very much human
I think "nothing human remains" isn't a factually incorrect description but it's a very misleading one
She is, biologically, a 100% clone
I’m back with another installment of my voicing project. It goes up in five minutes: https://youtu.be/lhrVtba0ujc
Yeah which to be fair can work with Yharim
But i think it's the fact it specifically calls it Failed
That is objectively wrong no?
Yharim is known for being dumb on the topic of biology
storm weaver and dog are the same guys trust
it depends on wat part is exactly being viewed as "failed"
if its the original intention and purpose for it being made, aka it having scals full powers, then yes it would be considered a failure
It is a failed attempt to replicate Calamitas as Yharim's ace magician
It is a successful attempt to clone Calamitas
That's actually a fair point i didn't think of it that way
Thats really fair
how many calamitas clones could you make
can draedon have an infinite army of azafurian women
Well they would be completely normal azafurian women but yeah
It would also depend on how furious he wants to make the real Calamitas.
Sure
Is the question in the room with us right now?
no
what was it you were gonna ask
Prob a dm
that's lame
ah ok
I spent 7 hours making homes in the sunken sea and sulphurous sea only to learn literally no NPCs like them
I expected them to count as oceans
I made Amidias a literal castle
angler and pirate in sulph sea, amidias and stylist in ocean
I wanted to put the Jelly Princess and Amidias in the Sunken Sea
And I had a dry dock built for the Pirate and Angler in the Sulphurous Sea
What is the max speed of Thanatos? Just want to take a crack at making them via the Traveller ttrpg's robot book
to be fair if i were the last remaining person of my species after my entire race were killed and the buildings incinerated, i wouldnt wanna stay down there either
He isn't stated to be the last remaining person iirc
Just seemingly the only one to stay in the ruins
yeah they have said theres a few survivors iirc
okay but that doesnt take away from the fact most of his species were obliterated 
Scal obviously will love the crags that's where she worked part time in the azafurian Walmart
She will want to live specifically in the ruins of that building
It'll make her cry tears of joy, even, to see her old workplace again
sacl working on azafurian walmart is so me coded
Except (if I remember correctly) she was 11 or so when she gained all of that brimstone magic and burned down Azafure, so her job at AzaMart would be just playing pretend after she left Yharim
Azafure hires children to work in Walmart's earlier than other nations
Providence is confirmed to be lesbian.
The profaned guardians i think are also lesbians.
This means that they all could be a polyamourus quartet of nihilistic lesbians
THE PROFANED PLOYCULE
Wait Providence is a nihilistic lesbian who hates society and wants to burn it down...
