#lore-discussion

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long bloom
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yeah but brimmy redesign might have a fucking skeleton

snow mountain
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read paracelsus

sinful adder
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It doesn't have to be a normal living being, she can be like. Made entirely of primordial stem cells that can grow into any living thing, put into the shape of a humanoid

hoary cape
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she is obviously just a plant

mighty zenith
snow mountain
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they correspond to the empedoclean elements plus one

sinful adder
long bloom
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flesh plant ultimatesmug

split mortar
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The plants carnivorous

hoary cape
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She is a goddess she can probably make herself look like she has skin when it's just plant

spring helm
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If you cut open Silva you find planty mush inside

limpid saddle
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I found an npc in Skyward Sword named Silva & he was a mole guy with a goatee & messy hair

sinful adder
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We have no reason to believe that Silva is a plant when she is the goddess of life/nature, which includes significantly more than just plants

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Or rather, no reason to believe that she is exclusively a plant

pliant ruin
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shes a elemental shes weird magic goop idk

sinful adder
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The sand elemental is made of sand and magic. The cloud elemental is made of clouds and magic. The life elemental should be made of life and magic

long bloom
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"life" isn't a tangible object

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it's a concept

sinful adder
long bloom
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i'd say it is

sinful adder
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Life is more tangible than fire, as a living thing probably requires some kind of physical form

long bloom
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you can be on fire, you can see it, you can't do that with a concept

sinful adder
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Fire is objectively not a tangible object. It is an event that occurs when a chemical reaction consumes two materials and produces a large amount of heat and gas in a positive feedback loop

long bloom
wheat walrus
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man im fire asf you cant touch me

sinful adder
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Life is like that too. Something can be alive and you can observe that

split mortar
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Life isnt tangible but living things are which isnt a huge jump

wheat walrus
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man im conceptual asf im outerversal

long bloom
sinful adder
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Life and fire are both conditions applied to physical objects

split mortar
wheat walrus
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you a life form, a form of life

sinful adder
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If fire is physical then a burning thing must be fire, otherwise fire can't be a physical thong

wheat walrus
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when i touch you i touch life

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ffs

sinful adder
long bloom
sinful adder
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You are made of life in the same way that a burning object is made of fire

wheat walrus
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like holy shit

long bloom
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no????

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i'm carbon

wheat walrus
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life on this planet, like the plants on my balcony, me and not my cat who's beyond concepts

sinful adder
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Yeah. You're just being contradictory

wheat walrus
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you're life

sinful adder
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You are carbon and other materials under the condition of being alive

wheat walrus
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carbon is a part of it

long bloom
sinful adder
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The thing that makes you different from inanimate carbon is that state of being alive, thus you are life

long bloom
sinful adder
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You are not your body

long bloom
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???????????????

sinful adder
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Your body is still there and so is the carbon

long bloom
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then life is intangible if the body doesn't matter

sinful adder
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The carbon and such isn't you

wheat walrus
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🥀

sinful adder
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You can have matter without life, but you can't have life without matter

long bloom
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is air not physical??

wheat walrus
sinful adder
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Air is physical but also irrelevant

long bloom
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oh that's rich

sinful adder
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Fire isn't air

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What is this about

long bloom
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fire exists in air

wheat walrus
sinful adder
long bloom
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you can't have fire in a vacuum

eager bluff
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yes but it doesnt exist in air

sinful adder
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You can have fire in any situation where oxygen and carbon can combine into carbon dioxide and release heat into its surroundings. When this takes place in air, the air is heated in a pattern we recognize as flames, but the fire isn't inherently tied to any specific part of the air

split mortar
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You dont exist without air either

wheat walrus
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lore discussion peaked 2 minutes ago when we were arguing about living things being life or not

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We're never reaching such a zenith ever again

sinful adder
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You can have combustion without any observable flames

long bloom
eager bluff
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and its a very big issue

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insert the nasa broom story here

sinful adder
wheat walrus
long bloom
sinful adder
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Yeah. And my argument is that your reasoning is not sound

eager bluff
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i mean like yeah?? fire is also more tangible than the concept of fire

sinful adder
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It is exactly equally as tangible as life

soft geyser
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Beep

long bloom
wheat walrus
sinful adder
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That doesn't make sense

wheat walrus
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/j

long bloom
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LIVING THINGS AREN'T MADE OF LIFE

icy veldt
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I CANNOT TOLERATE IT ANY LONGER

eager bluff
wheat walrus
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Once agan

long bloom
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explain

wheat walrus
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the condition that distinguishes animals and plants from inorganic matter, including the capacity for growth, reproduction, functional activity, and continual change preceding death.
"the origins of life"

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You're life

split mortar
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So if life is exclusively a concept does that mean killing someone means i killed a concept

long bloom
sinful adder
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Arguably yes

wheat walrus
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"life on earth" it's you and me and the trees and my cat and dog

magic epoch
wheat walrus
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you're life

sinful adder
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These depend on arbitrary definitions

wheat walrus
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I'm life

split mortar
eager bluff
wheat walrus
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Form of life

eager bluff
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eliminating something does not mean eliminating the concept of it

magic epoch
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are you dead

wheat walrus
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ffs

split mortar
long bloom
wheat walrus
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is this draedon

wheat walrus
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ffs

long bloom
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wrong

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incorrect

wheat walrus
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A form of water isn't water

wheat walrus
long bloom
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there aren't forms of water??

wheat walrus
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A form of dance isn't dance

eager bluff
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life is a thing with an attached concept

long bloom
split mortar
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Chat the bacteria are outerversal

wheat walrus
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ffs

long bloom
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you mean type?

wheat walrus
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this yo logic

eager bluff
wheat walrus
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holy shit

long bloom
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nope not in this context

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there's no "life type"

eager bluff
wheat walrus
eager bluff
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and an animal is a form of life

magic epoch
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xt wtf are you on about

eager bluff
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much like how a bacteria or plant or fungus is a form of life

split mortar
long bloom
wheat walrus
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You're a form of life

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A type

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If I touch you I'm touching life

long bloom
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no, you're touching skin

charred oracle
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We're a type of mammal not a type of life

wheat walrus
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"hurr durr the concept of life" with concept talk then the concept of fire is equally as hard to grasp

split mortar
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You are not touching
Atoms dont

long bloom
sinful adder
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Skin that has the property of being alive and thus is life

eager bluff
wheat walrus
long bloom
sinful adder
split mortar
sinful adder
wheat walrus
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You can freely call living beings "life" and it makes sense

split mortar
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Fire concept and fire in action
Life concept and life in action

eager bluff
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meaningless distinctions for the sole purpose of winning an argument does not reflect well on your argument

long bloom
wheat walrus
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This entire argument stands on shitty wording

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You're life

sinful adder
wheat walrus
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You're not dead

icy veldt
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I'm stuff 😲

long bloom
wheat walrus
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You're life and the things you're made of are what make you life, living, alive

wheat walrus
sinful adder
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Not going to bother

long bloom
long bloom
eager bluff
icy veldt
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Can this dumbass topic stop being life already

sinful adder
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I don't actually care about winning an unwinnable argument

eager bluff
long bloom
wheat walrus
eager bluff
wheat walrus
split mortar
long bloom
wheat walrus
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This dude must be a particularly sneaky bot

wheat walrus
long bloom
split mortar
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You are life but not the entire fucking concept of it across the universe

eager bluff
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as i said previously
you're misconstruing concepts with physicality

long bloom
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i am alive

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there's a difference

wheat walrus
sinful adder
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Alright, fine, I'll try one more time

long bloom
split mortar
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There are burning things there arent fire things

wheat walrus
long bloom
split mortar
wheat walrus
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I can smell you from here take a shower

long bloom
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mitosis

split mortar
wheat walrus
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Discord doubling this message sob

sinful adder
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Fire and life are both arbitrary concepts that we define by observation. An object is never entirely life, or entirely fire, but an object can have the property of being alive or of being on fire, and they become examples or instances of those respective phenomena under this condition. The phenomena requires a physical medium to exist, but it is not exactly that physical thing. Wether an instance of fire/life is itself fire/life is arbitrary and you to interpretation, but they are equivalent. The same reasoning applies to intelligence or minds, to sound, to heat, and so on. Some are more easily quantifiable than others but all basically work the same way

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I can observe life just as I can observe fire, but the qualifications for something being alive are just less intuitive

wheat walrus
long bloom
split mortar
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So it is still tangible

long bloom
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not completely tangible, just more

split mortar
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Ao you can touch life

long bloom
sinful adder
split mortar
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Vaporising you

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Bye

long bloom
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you can touch living things, you cannot touch life

wheat walrus
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Monster Hunter Frontier

split mortar
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Boring
bye

wheat walrus
split mortar
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💔

sinful adder
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I disagree but you can also disagree and neither of us are entirely right or wrong

wheat walrus
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IT'S NOT RIGHT OR WRONG 🗣️ IT'S NOT RIGHT OR WROOONNGGGGG 🔥

split mortar
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Words are arbitrary i change the definitions to mean im right and you all are wrong goodbye

long bloom
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true

split mortar
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Right so yur wrong and im right

wheat walrus
split mortar
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Those words are

wheat walrus
# split mortar Those words are

When I reach that boss that gatekept the entire community for 9 months I'm gonna pull up to your house and force you to do it at applegunpoint

split mortar
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😭

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Whole ass human could have been crafted during that time

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A whole ass thingamabob

wheat walrus
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A baby

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Da baby

split mortar
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A doohickey

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A football

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Kick the baby

thick slate
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@long bloom brah u an idiot

long bloom
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thank you

glacial rampart
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is xzier ragebaiting again

fierce pagoda
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Wish i could see the moment the first non-living matter came together in that one specific way to become living matter

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Then I could see the line

icy veldt
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Wish I could go back and prevent that moment

fierce pagoda
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nooo

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I love life

icy veldt
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Same, but I'm curious about what would happen to the timeline's integrity

fierce pagoda
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maybe life would just occur elsewhere

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so you'd have to go around and stopping it all

icy veldt
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Might be radically different, due to the different way in which it forms

fierce pagoda
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ohh thats true

icy veldt
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When I return to the present and pee is now blue instead of red

fierce pagoda
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now wait just a minute

barren dirge
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hello i have a question did yharim and dreadon broke up after the genocidal tyrant was angry about dreadon killimg some bees or am i severely missinformed

glacial rampart
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because to Yharim, this was the very kind of exploitation of life that he was fighting against

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he has a simple fondness for the Jungle bees given the queen bee lore item but beyond that it was about his "Morals"

long bloom
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he's fine with genocide but draws the line at slavery

glacial rampart
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sybau (posthumously taken back)

long bloom
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what

glacial rampart
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macaroni and cheese

long bloom
alpine jetty
glacial rampart
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im gonna be honest i just reread what they said and i think im stupid

long bloom
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understandable

barren dirge
long bloom
barren dirge
long bloom
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nope

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it's mind control

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killing pbg would be very counterproductive

barren dirge
long bloom
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no?

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it's an armored queen bee

barren dirge
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i am being introduced to a whole new realm of lore rn

long bloom
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read the jungle research log

thick slate
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taylore

pliant ruin
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Used to be a regular queen bee but got hit with the draedon roboticization

vague jacinth
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what is the lore for the celestial pillars?

long bloom
sinful adder
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We don't know the details yet

split mortar
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We dunno much but yeah moonlords portable army

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Helped fight the dragons

limpid saddle
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The nanovirus itself basically eats all the organs you don't need to move & pilots your hollowed out-corpse like a mecha as it seeks more biological matter to consume & integrate

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Theres probably a bit of brain left in there though

scenic olive
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Whats the correct name for draedon plague

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Ive heard ppl calling it plague nanobots, or is it nanoplague bots

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or simply plague

pliant ruin
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all of them r correct call it whatevr

real silo
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Nanomachines son

autumn vine
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ok so you know how humans started killing dragons to become gods how did the humans just easly kill them off arent the dragons powerful enough to injure the moonlord?

split mortar
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Yharim is above yharon despite being a human

fierce pagoda
young socket
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wild

split mortar
split mortar
young socket
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:3

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i didnt say anything

humble plaza
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I’d say they’re equals. They were both banished to the underworld before Yharon rebirthed and led them both out.

split mortar
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In their friendship yeah theyre equals

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Yharim is just actually stronger

pliant ruin
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yeah they're not like above eachother as in hierarchical superiority or one controlling the other or anything but

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in terms of actual like power

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yeah yharim is just stronger

humble plaza
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Gotcha

humble plaza
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But yea-

hoary cape
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Providence had help beating her dragon iirc. The guardians were helping I believe back when they were also humans

split mortar
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Yuh

long bloom
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the girlboss squad

pliant ruin
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Yeh it was a 4v1 seemingly

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Not to mention Provi and the guardians probably already were competent fighters back then too

dense lynx
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Do Terrarians live longer than humans?

split mortar
dense lynx
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How old is perma!

split mortar
dense lynx
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What does he even drink?

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Or was he just frozen over for centuries and then woke up

thick slate
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o

split mortar
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iirc

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And is like 400-500 years old iirc

thick slate
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old ass

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throw him into the sun

long bloom
split mortar
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@manic coral answer for your crimes of making an old man
How old is the man

thick slate
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old

mighty zenith
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I'm old!

hoary cape
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Garbo is actually ancient

faint totem
split mortar
river island
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When is yharim

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Why no yharim

real glen
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how should we tell her

split mortar
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yharim is the literal last priority they have in terms of adding

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once all plans are done and everything else added will yharim be worked on

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dont expect the guy for years

sinful adder
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Probably a decade at the current rate

real glen
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anyways guess what im cooking rn

split mortar
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terraria cookbook

random mulch
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how chartious

real glen
hoary cape
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Terraria map

alpine jetty
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omg wait i wanna see that so bad

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ive been praying for a map

tropic oak
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truth

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stip pls bless us with a map

plucky valley
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this is cannon for gos btw

split mortar
hoary cape
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Balloon boy

tropic oak
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for those who are not in cal-art

dusk laurel
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the one time i dont check artwork showcase...

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also he has a name steamhappy

alpine jetty
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wait how do i get in the art channel bibi

dusk laurel
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its a separate server

alpine jetty
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oooooooooh ok ok

tropic oak
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for those not in cal-art part 2

prime mauve
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oh look amongus imposteritis

faint totem
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Neat

fading helm
# tropic oak

you reckon yharim killed the cult members anyways?

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I defo think he did

glacial rampart
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if he killed the cult members

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then how did the cult members r

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revive GoS

manic coral
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anus immolatus

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yes i already said this in the dev server

fading helm
hoary cape
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Yharim probably killed one group of his cultists

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The other ones showed up to remove his corpse. Tried to revive him and got absorbed

analog robin
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Neat how normal he looks with the robes and mask on

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Hides the messed up stuff very well

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And doesn’t scream “hi I am evil” or anything

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Just ominous

split mortar
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So thats a good job on their end

analog robin
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Yeah it can be hard to actually hit that creepy-as-hell-but-not-actually-malicious look

long bloom
scenic olive
# split mortar dont expect the guy for years

what if Yharim became a concept, its someone who pushed through all the odds and doing everything they can to achieve their goal

does this mean Terrarian is Yharim and by default fulfilled Yharim wish to continue his work

long bloom
vague jacinth
# tropic oak

thought his name was argus for a moment and got confused

hoary cape
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I thought for a second the bottom set of hands were feet lol until I saw him without his robes

fierce pagoda
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lowkey he gives me slug vibes with the robe off

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a huge slimy slug

hoary cape
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He has roots

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Which is an odd thing to think of

alpine jetty
magic epoch
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calamity dream theory isn't real it can't hurt you

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calamity dream theory:

glacial rampart
alpine jetty
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devourer of gods is actually just yharims childhood pet worm

glacial rampart
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dream theory was actually so ass why did everyone believe that

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🥀

alpine jetty
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for what

glacial rampart
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fnaf

alpine jetty
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oh yea thought so

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well idk it had evidence it was just like

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stupid narratively

sinful adder
robust osprey
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scott actually referenced dream theory in a spinoff game lmao

hoary cape
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FNAF 4

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Is obviously a nightmare and definitely not weird chips and gas

robust osprey
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yeah its totally just a child's nightmare and not a crazy experiment of the man in yellow (not yharim)

hoary cape
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Purple guy

wanton pendant
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Bro got hacked

wanton pendant
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Putting that aside; I have some very specific questions about Azafurians (Azafurite? Azafurners? Australians?)
I've seen it claimed that they are humans adapted to hell after living there for generations.
Based on the one known (living) member, they possess a grey complexion and horns.
The skin is simple enough, an adaption to living in an environment without sunlight amongst magma, my question lies with the horns.
The first question is what is their composition; are they keratin, like nail, or the horns of a rhinocerous? Or are they bone, like antlers. Or perhaps they are not dissimilar to teeth, and are ivory.
Do they possess nerve endings, or blood vessels, that is, if they were to be cut, would it hurt, or bleed?
What evolutionary purpose did they serve, assuming they developed through standard evolution, or were they a consequence of exposure to the essence of hell? Were they culturally important?
If damaged, or severed, would they regrow? Do they shed like antlers? Do they have 'baby' horns that fall out and are replaced by adult horns? The concept of such a thing is what inspired these questions, for it was almost as accursed as the ruins of Azafure.
Based on the reanimated brothers, would it be reasonable to assume the men had bigger horns on average?
I know these are not the questions most would focus on, but I do like considering every detail.

limpid saddle
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kind of takes away some of the mystery of the design but at least the anatomy is cool

calm patio
wanton pendant
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Yes, but if their horns were damaged.

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Would they bleed, or hurt?

calm patio
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perchance

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probably the latter or both

scenic olive
real silo
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We also know what her siblings' horns look like

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One is more like antlers and the other is whatever that is

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As for whether the horns would bleed idk

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I don't think anyone's thought of that

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I think most people headcanon them as stuff like goat or deer horns which don't bleed

knotty pewter
wheat walrus
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based

limpid saddle
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I always thought the cloak implied a hunchback, but it could've been something like a weight to keep them grounded physically & spiritually, there were alot of interesting directions & while this revealed design isn't bad I think it could've been a more interesting choice to keep it intentionally up to interpretation

knotty pewter
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lowkey tired of things in this mod being up to interpretation 🥀

river island
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game name

knotty pewter
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to be clear i think it's good for things to be up to interpretation sometimes

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just more tastefully

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i.e. yharim maskless design

stoic gulch
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It should be revealed by an image where yharim kisses draedon

knotty pewter
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TRUE

random mulch
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must kinda suck to consume an auric soul and suddenly you just don't have any legs anymore

limpid saddle
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or i guess shuffle awkwardly in gos case

young socket
limpid saddle
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I wonder if Slime God can manipulate their core

random mulch
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yeah i was referring to GoS (or agnus ig)

limpid saddle
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Like make a goopy hand to grab stuff with

random mulch
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cant walk but cant fly either

limpid saddle
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how do you think they moved

random mulch
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his followers put him on a platform and carry that around

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and before that it took him an hour to move a meter

limpid saddle
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I was thinking he hopped around

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or like

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crawled

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he does have 4 arms

tropic oak
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flesh obilesk

jaunty wraith
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I just read the new lore drop

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Yharim defenders ain't having a good time

limpid saddle
split mortar
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The gos one i think

jaunty wraith
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Yeah

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And wait there was another one?

split mortar
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Idk

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All i can think is the shakidou domain change but that was a while ago

limpid saddle
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& tbh i can never be sure if someone just thinks something thats old information is new information & misses the actual new information

random mulch
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the gods are now a slightly weirder bunch

pliant ruin
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I wouldn't be surprised

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if Agnus's lack of legs wasn't purely due to the ascencion but something he willingly gave away

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I love Agnus like

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The circumstances around him are clearly very macabre

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But they're not evil o r bad

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He helps people, and they help him, and he clearly immensely cares about them

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Like it's such a nice subversion

split mortar
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sadly yellow man happened

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yellow guy

pliant ruin
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markiplier voice

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YELLOW GUY?

young socket
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WAS THAT THE GENOCIDE OF '87?!

split mortar
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calamity is a avalon and fnaf crossover fanfic

gritty kraken
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Guys how would angus getting his domain power changed when turned into ravager effect the godly souls economy (unless I’m missing something)

split mortar
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wym by godly souls economy

gritty kraken
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I spit out words

limpid saddle
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So maybe introducing more human souls to a God Soul can alter the domain?

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Because i think its fair to assume the cultists wanted vengeance against Yharim for killing their God

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So maybe their will is what changed his God Soul

lucid niche
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are vanilla bestiary entries considered canon?

young socket
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not yet

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next update, any ones that are contradictory or could be made more interesting are getting changed

split mortar
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Gem critters ones are staying iirc

Gems are cursed!

robust osprey
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some of em are unchanged

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like the previously mentioned gem critters

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so its partially canon

long bloom
split mortar
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Only second to yharons

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iirc

sonic peak
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Is Statigel still important in the lore?

split mortar
sonic peak
split mortar
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Statis and their boyfriend braelor nearly killed yharim only a few months before game starts

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Statis is also the last onyx kinsman alive
Onyx kinsman worshipped slimegod and signus

pliant ruin
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Statis is pretty important

sonic peak
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I see i see, good to know that wasnt retconned

pliant ruin
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Given you'll Eventually actually meet him as a npc ingame with his own questline which will eventually culminate in things such as rescuing Braelor from the distortion and fighting Signus

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And yeah hes one of the two dudes taht almost killed yharim

sonic peak
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Okay so question, while Brelor being that strong is plainly obvious with his having divinity, but do have any clue why stasis Is that strong?

pliant ruin
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Braelor dosen't have divinity or anything

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He's a dude with a big axe

long bloom
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he's blessed by silva

split mortar
pliant ruin
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Statis is a dude with. Idk whatever ninjas have shurikens or something

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I mean fair enough but i was under the impression they thought he was literally a god

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You don't need to have super special powers to be strong

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Yharim is , by all means

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just a guy

split mortar
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Yharim is just punch strong

pliant ruin
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and he's literally the Strongest Guy besides like Xeroc

mighty zenith
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yharim is just. iron man

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like thats the best comparison

pliant ruin
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Idk if i'd say that tbh

sonic peak
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Yharim IS litterally on omega steroids

pliant ruin
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Not really he's just like really strong

long bloom
mighty zenith
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ok well

split mortar
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Yharim just worked the fuck out for 90% of their strength

mighty zenith
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idk

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blep

long bloom
mighty zenith
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the armor lets him not be a glass cannon

pliant ruin
#

Iron man ahs a whole ass robot suit

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Yharim just has armor

split mortar
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Nowadays yharim has mechanical exo armour but that was very recent in the timeline b

pliant ruin
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His power comes from uhhh having like a ton of fighting experience and being really fucking physically strong and having a suit of armor made of the most cracked material ever

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Like there really isn't much magicky bullshit going on in there

split mortar
pliant ruin
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Much like how Yharim without much help of external forces or inherited powers can be strong as hell

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So can someone like Statis or Braelor

long bloom
pliant ruin
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Though do note Braelor is most definitely the stronger of the two

pliant ruin
#

Statis played more of a support role

sonic peak
#

I kinda just find It funny how the implication Is that Statis just used a pre-hardmode armor to throw hands with yharim

split mortar
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Dont think statis uses much armour

long bloom
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he didn't, he has regular ninja clothes

pliant ruin
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He dosen't seem like the type to wear armor yeah

split mortar
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His concept art doesnt have that

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Braelors does

pliant ruin
#

guys

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guys guys

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statis used umbrafluid armor trust

crimson junco
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New armor leaked

sonic peak
long bloom
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someone else post the art i don't have it

pliant ruin
#

It's in pins

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There's a imgur link with a ton of concept art for cal characters

long bloom
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was it updated with GoS?

pliant ruin
#

Actually has it been updated with the

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yeah lemmie check

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Nope

split mortar
pliant ruin
#

Well fair enough it wasn't updated with the new xeroc design either

long bloom
#

oof

pliant ruin
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hes so cool

mighty zenith
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what if i gave him a hug

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:natstare:

pliant ruin
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i think he deserves one hes nice

mighty zenith
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tru

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yharim supporters in shambles

split mortar
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How does the one can support yhsrim

limpid saddle
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He can give two hugs at once because he has four arms

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this is objective proof he is a good person

real silo
#

well you can hug two people with two arms as well

limpid saddle
magic epoch
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Big people can receive many hugs

real silo
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Did you know that gos gifts parts of his soul to infertile people so they can have children and those children contain his soul thus technically making them his children too

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500 sons

mighty zenith
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genghis khan if he was awesome

sonic peak
queen moon
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He looks so 𝓶𝓪𝓳𝓮𝓼𝓽𝓲𝓬

sonic peak
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they look amazing!

real silo
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Somewhere secret...

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(it's my headcanon)

long bloom
#

ah

real silo
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It's cool though...

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Totally not biased

long bloom
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source: i made it up

queen moon
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That would make sense though

long bloom
#

it would

split mortar
#

We should spread more lies into this chat

long bloom
#

did you know yharon is legendary at mario kart

pliant ruin
#

what is y'alls favorite god from calamity mod

split mortar
pliant ruin
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me personally

real silo
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gos

pliant ruin
#

im a big god of chains conoisseur ngl

queen moon
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Did you know that Xeroc is stoned

real silo
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oh true

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god of chains my number 2 still though sorry

split mortar
real silo
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I really like gos

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Both my headcanon and mango's version

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I've always been fascinated by ravager's chain of soul inheritances ever since the lore rewrite

pliant ruin
#

his. WHAT

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ok but jokes aside

real silo
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haha.

pliant ruin
#

god of sacrifices is one of my favorites too he's just So Cool

real silo
#

byeah I was a day one gos fan

split mortar
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Gos is pretty cool yeah

long bloom
#

i like xeroc idk

queen moon
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I like providence

pliant ruin
#

I love how tragic his story is, i love how despite being the holder of a seemingly macabre domain and having a somewhat grotesque design, he's a genuinely kind and caring person, i love how he sacrificed himself for his people, ahhh

real silo
#

Yeah

pliant ruin
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Silva is Cute but i don't really know much about her but she gets a Honorable Mention for being Pretty

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Xeroc is 2nd place because i like him

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He's a chill guy.

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1st place is GoS, 2nd place is Xeroc, 3rd place is silva

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shrimple as that

long bloom
#

i think the xeroc lore is fascinating

split mortar
#

Xeroc also cool

queen moon
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Yup

real silo
#

Can't believe cheese didn't put god of chains in top 3

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goat washed

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Come to think of it most of my cal headcanons are related to gos

pliant ruin
#

ok well if we're counting god of chains then shes my favorite smh...

split mortar
pliant ruin
#

literally my blorbo

real silo
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Dragon of death, pre ascension gos, god of blood, ravager

pliant ruin
#

my creature

queen moon
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If goozma was canon...

pliant ruin
#

my favorite dragon is dragon of gluttony

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gloomborf

real silo
split mortar
#

Where does ecumena the goddess of fate go XD

pliant ruin
#

She's a dragon 🙄

long bloom
split mortar
real silo
long bloom
#

interesting

real silo
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melon forget everything you read here

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You too cheese

split mortar
#

Ok yeah rp related

pliant ruin
#

every day every night i go to bed in the hopes that ill wake up

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and ill go to lore chat

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1 new messaghe from stipulate venus

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"guys dragon of gluttonys name is canonically gloomborf now"

long bloom
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🔥 🔥 🔥

real silo
#

What the fuck.

limpid saddle
#

Oh man

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That kinda reminds me

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What do we actually know about Silva as a person?

split mortar
real silo
#

Nothing

pliant ruin
#

She's, Nice :)

long bloom
#

that's it

pliant ruin
#

and. thats it

split mortar
pliant ruin
#

yep

limpid saddle
#

cant believe we've gotten GoS personality before Silva

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He didnt even have a name before this

pliant ruin
#

yharim what you doing man

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your agenda falling apart

real silo
#

Also I remember cei talking about her headcanon for dragon of death

long bloom
real silo
#

And it ended up being like 99% similar to mine

pliant ruin
#

we have 3 nice gods, with a 4th whos likely also a good guy vs 1 singular really evil one

real silo
#

😭

pliant ruin
#

yharim my guy

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what you doinnnn

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youre washed mannn

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youre washeddddddddddd

real silo
pliant ruin
#

ok to be fair

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god of dogma and god of war are a thing

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so thats 3 really evil ones

real silo
#

What's that

pliant ruin
#

but we know nothing about those two so

real silo
#

Sounds like propaganda

split mortar
#

Can we learn more about the perf and hivemind gods to be evil

real silo
limpid saddle
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He didnt even kill Providence

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he really is washed

pliant ruin
#

god of war is the "core" god of perfs

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god of dogma is the "core" of hive mind

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essentially the most prevalent god amongst their amalgamated forms

limpid saddle
real silo
#

fogna balls

long bloom
#

true

real silo
pliant ruin
real silo
#

it's read as core-god of perfs not core god-of-perfs

long bloom
limpid saddle
real silo
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showers

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Yharim is secretly a japanese man whose surname is Yhar and his given name is Im

pliant ruin
#

Perforators is iirc generally comrpised of more openly violent and brutal gods; The type of people who raid, pillage, kill, etc
God of war being the central one in that
Which is then going to be reflected in Perf's designa nd fight revolving around body horror, violence and such

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Meanwhil

hoary cape
#

Dogma god is funny

pliant ruin
#

Hive Mind is more insidious, manipulative and strategic gods, who carefully used others as pawns for their plans
God of Dogma being the central one, and

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The design and fight will involve more on psychological horror and surreal/abstract themes

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Don't quote me on this but i think that's the general consensus based on the info we've gotten in spoiler talk from triangle and tobias

long bloom
#

yeah that's what triangle said

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and is completely true afaik

real silo
#

Hallowed evil boss when

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God of GOOD people

hoary cape
#

Hallowed isn't evil

pliant ruin
#

hallowed good boss

real silo
#

you are

pliant ruin
#

😭

real silo
#

Wait I know

hoary cape
#

The world is evil that's why hallow has to cleanse it

real silo
#

Queen slime is there

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and she's slime god

pliant ruin
#

Not for long

hoary cape
#

Not for much longer hopefully

pliant ruin
hoary cape
#

Qs should be disabled in calamity

split mortar
#

Post ml hallowed evil 2 alt

real silo
#

They gonna turn queen slime into a post ml hallowed boss

split mortar
hoary cape
#

Disabling your soul

real silo
long bloom
#

if calclone gets shifted to prehardmode i'm jumping off the dragon's aerie

pliant ruin
#

why

real silo
#

slimy pillion replaced with slimy wheelchair

pliant ruin
#

if xzier dosent ragebait im gonna ascend to a higher plane

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ill become god

real silo
#

of chain?

pliant ruin
#

maybe.

hoary cape
#

Cheese god

long bloom
#

i have literally never ragebaited before

hoary cape
#

Doubt

real silo
#

start ragebaiting

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do it for the love of the game

hoary cape
#

Everyone rage baits at least once in their life

long bloom
#

i meant here

real silo
#

Everyone rage baits it came free with your opinions

long bloom
#

true

pliant ruin
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i think calamity mod should add a new boss that replaces supreme calamitas its called the hell ogre

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you summon it in hell

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it gets a hardmode counterpart you fight earlier called the lesser hell ogre

hoary cape
#

I am adding you as a boss

pliant ruin
long bloom
#

yeah probably

hoary cape
#

Clone getting swapped with SG will make QS make more sense

pliant ruin
#

Like one thing is just like being skeptical

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Thats fair

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But like we don't know barely anything much about the boss progression changes so i'd say its best to not immediately jump to "this SUCKS this is BAD"

long bloom
#

i've had 2 extensive convos with reb about it and i don't think it would work at all
or at least, it'll be much worse than it is now

pliant ruin
#

Its the same incredibly annoying behavior that leads to people hating on unfinished wip sprites

split mortar
#

Calclones current spot kinda just sucks gameplay wise imo

pliant ruin
#

I don't think you can be much worse than current calclone

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😭

split mortar
#

And lore wise

hoary cape
#

Cal clone being in the same progression spot as plantera and being an alternate for certain things

pliant ruin
split mortar
#

Yeah

hoary cape
#

Embedded failure

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Also don't you have perms for that cheese lol

pliant ruin
#

She has barely any ingame lore currently, one of the lamest and most obviously Fabsolian boss fights in the game

long bloom
#

idk i think it's the most fun boss to fight
i very much enjoy the learning curve

pliant ruin
#

The best thing about it is Music

split mortar
#

Shout out to plantera unlocking half the game and calclone unlocking like
One rogue set

real silo
#

holy shit a calclone enjoyer

#

I thought I was the only one

pliant ruin
#

A boss being fun dosen't make it Good because fun is a highly subjective thing

split mortar
#

@limpid saddle meet your people

long bloom
#

but the gameplay isn't why i don't want it to be moved

real silo
#

I mean yeah

hoary cape
#

Umbraphile is pretty cool

pliant ruin
#

Umbrafluid.

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sorry the

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the rot

#

it takes over

hoary cape
#

I am sending you into the shadow realm

real silo
#

If umbra why not eclipse related

split mortar
#

The roleplay rot is taking half the lore chat over

real silo
#

Smh chese

hoary cape
#

Cheese more like solid aged milk

pliant ruin
#

I think calclone narratively being the last boss you fight in pre hardmode can be pretty cool and cei has already convinced me of this much

long bloom
#

did anyone else see stip was typing a minute ago

pliant ruin
#

Yes

#

Hi Stip Can You Canonize Gloomborf Please Thanks

split mortar
#

STIP MAKE GLOOMBORF

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Please

hoary cape
#

Stip you aren't allowed to run anyway

real silo
#

Dragon of gluttony should be named kirby

hoary cape
#

Who is gloomborf

split mortar
#

Name cheese formed out of nowhere and got glued to

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For dragon of gouttony

long bloom
#

gout tony

real silo
#

gouttony

pliant ruin
# pliant ruin I think calclone narratively being the last boss you fight in pre hardmode can b...

But yeah like anyways it works really well as a sort of Fakeout Ending essentially. You fight "Calamitas" as the final boss of prehardmode
And it can also work really well as like. You meet the Calamitas that the Crusade wants you to know that Kills People and Destroys Things and then you get into hardmode and meet Permafrost and you Talk With Him and slowly meet the Real Calamitas, the person with regrets, emotions and empathy

hoary cape
#

Gouttony

pliant ruin
#

gouda

#

mm

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i could

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go for gouda

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right now

#

unfortunately i am broke

#

next month ill buy osme

#

surely

real silo
#

goudako

hoary cape
#

Make money

real silo
#

From

pliant ruin
#

i'm unemployed... 🥀

limpid saddle
hoary cape
#

Get a job

pliant ruin
#

I'M TRYING

#

calclone can be really cool and i think the Plans they have for her are interesting but as she Is she kind of Sucks

hoary cape
#

Want my job I hate it

pliant ruin
#

Like i think Calclone Will Be Cool but she is Not Cool Right Now

pliant ruin
hoary cape
#

Grocery store

pliant ruin
#

damn

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all things considered probably where ill end up too

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😭

#

Unless i manage to clutch and use my english certificate to get a job in a hotel or smth

hoary cape
#

Canadian grocery store

pliant ruin
#

canada mention

#

thats where pookie is

real silo
#

canada fans when can'tada

hoary cape
#

I am Canadian

long bloom
# pliant ruin But yeah like anyways it works really well as a sort of Fakeout Ending essential...

1: the fakeout ending can be in mid hardmode, pre hardmode already sorta has one with wof
2: just have permafrost only open up about calamitas once you defeat the clone
3: your first encounter with a god works much better as the end of pre hardmode than an encounter with the perceived main villain
4: silence before the storms would fucking suck if it was directly pre-wof and then there would be no interludes in hardmode

real silo
#

Are you a maple leaf

hoary cape
#

No

real silo
#

Wow ok

hoary cape
#

I am not in Ontario 🤮

#

I am in best province

real silo
#

There's also no prelude in pre hard mode I don't think that quite matters

pliant ruin
real silo
#

Unless I'm missing something

#

3 is giga subjective

pliant ruin
#

I mean yeah that's kind of the point
It's a fakeout ending because it's a perceived main villain except It's Not Actually
wof isn't a fakeout at all its just. a boss

#

it's a fakeout becasue it's. Calamitas

#

that's like The Point

long bloom
#

why can't it be mid hardmode

#

the same thing would be accomplished

pliant ruin
#

Because gameplay wise it works much better?

long bloom
#

how
calclone being phm levels weak would suck

pliant ruin
#

But Why

#

this is something

split mortar
#

Calclones spot rn sucks ass

pliant ruin
#

you do so much

#

"x thing would suck"

split mortar
pliant ruin
#

never elaborate

#

its so annoying dude

#

its why i constantly call you a ragebaiter

long bloom
#

it should be strong

pliant ruin
#

you always complain about things and you either dont elaborate or when youj "elaborate" you do it with points that are essentially just repeating the same thing over and over

split mortar
#

Is end of prehardmode not strong?

long bloom
#

not really no

pliant ruin
#

It's a clone of calamitas except it's literally just a regular person

#

With only a small fraction of her power

split mortar
#

Dont you be a local legend if you can solo like fucking king slime

pliant ruin
#

How "strong" she should be is entirely arbitrary

hoary cape
#

Tbh Cal clone doesn't have anywhere near her full extent of magic

pliant ruin
#

A spot as the final boss of pre hm (Barring WoF) is enough to make it have the impact it deserves to have already

#

I'd argue more than just a random early hm boss

#

Albeit that is subjective

nocturne sparrow
long bloom
#

it would just be a lot less believable as actual calamitas if it was pre hardmode imo

split mortar
nocturne sparrow
split mortar
#

It is a genetic clone of calamitas

#

Just outdated as fuck sprite

pliant ruin
#

Yeah she's just a normal person, biologically
I assume Yharim saying "Nothing human remains" is more so reffering to her psyche

nocturne sparrow
long bloom
split mortar
nocturne sparrow
long bloom
#

no???

pliant ruin
#

One minute let me reread the lore item rq

#

Been a while

limpid saddle
#

just making shit up now

pliant ruin
#

I think they might've just misunderstood

limpid saddle
pliant ruin
#

Yeah ysee

limpid saddle
#

The thing is, her magic isn't genetic

pliant ruin
#

The lore itme does actually say that

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And her bestiary entry too

#

but

#

Don't quote me on this

limpid saddle
pliant ruin
#

I believe that these are results of needing a justification for her severely outdated sprite and with the narrative being built for CalClone currently, they might get rewritten?

limpid saddle
pliant ruin
#

The current narrative being painted both through things such as Draedon's communication ingame and some talks we've had with developers here seem to hint at the fact she is, biologically, just a regular person

split mortar
limpid saddle
nocturne sparrow
#

Ok so i was wrong it ONLY being the shell remaining, my other points stand

limpid saddle
#

which remember current canon says it's a life support system

pliant ruin
#

Yeah i'd say this is likely outdated

limpid saddle
#

Because she got brimstoned

pliant ruin
#

Again, probably a situation where, yeah

limpid saddle
pliant ruin
#

They just needed a justification for the wackass sprite ingame

#

And as they've developed the lore further they'll likely rewrite it?

long bloom
#

calclone lore is very outdated yes

limpid saddle
#

Outside of her creation itself pretty sure that remains the same

long bloom
#

the new sprite plans are. woah

pliant ruin
#

It'd be worth lookin agt the uhm

#

Draedon dialogue regarding her

nocturne sparrow
#

But the point is, that it cant be a 100% clone. If it was a good clone, she could have completely containes the power. She didnt. She FAILED

pliant ruin
#

Calamitas's power isn't genetic or biological

split mortar
#

Magic is not from genetics

pliant ruin
#

She gained thenm

limpid saddle
pliant ruin
#

So yes it can still be a 100% clone evne without her powers

#

Because it's not something Cal inherently just has; Keep in mind she's just a regular Azafurian

split mortar
#

100% genetic clone ≠ same magical strength

limpid saddle
#

When SCal gained her powers, she was determined to avenge her brothers

#

When Clone gained her powers, she was just ejected from a storage tank & looking at herself (not literally) & was all confused before BAM brimstone blast

nocturne sparrow
limpid saddle
#

She lacked the clarity of mind & previous development as a human being to withstand gaining the brimstone magic

nocturne sparrow
limpid saddle
#

ok at least you get it now

#

Always glad to inform about Calamitas Clone

nocturne sparrow
#

Yeah, i do. My bad

#

I was wrong, just went off of what i read in that doc

limpid saddle
#

It's cool, easy to misinterpret without having mired yourself in here for a while

nocturne sparrow
#

Yeahh i am new here

#

And immediatly got bombarded for mentioning infernum in the non addon channel

split mortar
#

This is confirmation

hushed jasper
cosmic zenith
cosmic zenith
cosmic zenith
cosmic zenith
inner surge
pliant ruin
#

But i think it's the fact it specifically calls it Failed

#

That is objectively wrong no?

split mortar
#

Yharim is known for being dumb on the topic of biology

robust osprey
#

storm weaver and dog are the same guys trust

young socket
#

if its the original intention and purpose for it being made, aka it having scals full powers, then yes it would be considered a failure

cosmic zenith
#

It is a failed attempt to replicate Calamitas as Yharim's ace magician

#

It is a successful attempt to clone Calamitas

pliant ruin
#

That's actually a fair point i didn't think of it that way

nocturne sparrow
warm gull
#

how many calamitas clones could you make

#

can draedon have an infinite army of azafurian women

limpid saddle
wanton pendant
#

It would also depend on how furious he wants to make the real Calamitas.

light linden
#

@cosmic zenith you.

#

May I ask a question?

cosmic zenith
#

Sure

heavy zenith
#

Is the question in the room with us right now?

long bloom
#

no

split mortar
heavy zenith
#

Prob a dm

long bloom
#

that's lame

light linden
#

Yeah I decided to dm

#

It was a question about NPC preferences and Zeratros

split mortar
#

ah ok

light linden
#

I spent 7 hours making homes in the sunken sea and sulphurous sea only to learn literally no NPCs like them

#

I expected them to count as oceans

#

I made Amidias a literal castle

long bloom
#

angler and pirate in sulph sea, amidias and stylist in ocean

light linden
#

I wanted to put the Jelly Princess and Amidias in the Sunken Sea

#

And I had a dry dock built for the Pirate and Angler in the Sulphurous Sea

thorn hound
#

What is the max speed of Thanatos? Just want to take a crack at making them via the Traveller ttrpg's robot book

tropic oak
light linden
#

He isn't stated to be the last remaining person iirc

#

Just seemingly the only one to stay in the ruins

split mortar
#

yeah they have said theres a few survivors iirc

tropic oak
#

okay but that doesnt take away from the fact most of his species were obliterated HDfailure

hoary cape
#

Scal obviously will love the crags that's where she worked part time in the azafurian Walmart

#

She will want to live specifically in the ruins of that building

icy veldt
pliant ruin
#

sacl working on azafurian walmart is so me coded

icy veldt
#

Except (if I remember correctly) she was 11 or so when she gained all of that brimstone magic and burned down Azafure, so her job at AzaMart would be just playing pretend after she left Yharim

hoary cape
#

Azafure hires children to work in Walmart's earlier than other nations

jaunty wraith
#

Providence is confirmed to be lesbian.

The profaned guardians i think are also lesbians.

This means that they all could be a polyamourus quartet of nihilistic lesbians

jaunty wraith
#

Wait Providence is a nihilistic lesbian who hates society and wants to burn it down...