pearto is immortal and turns whoever tries to eat her into another pearto to multiply
#lore-discussion
untold oracle
These two team up and nodiff pearto
subtle geyser
this is utterly incomprehensible
wheat walrus
These two team up and nodiff pearto
they only have green power in their eyes
they would have to team up with green fellagante and real teto to fully dispose of pearto
wheat walrus
green humor weakens pearto so that real teto casts the magic drill attack that can fully destroy weakened pearto
but then we cannot weaponize pearto against the greater threat, dimensional traveler au melon gun
who has the power to fight pea, learo, green fellagante and real teto at once and win
but with the help of main universe melon gun, we can seal him in the depths of lea channel and weaken him
incredible
what was the embed fail
subtle geyser
don't worry about it
wheat walrus
i will
anyways, au melon gun might corrupt main melon gun with his propaganda abt the terrarian, who should not be You it should be only Melon Gun
so this is when Reign Yharim (good) and Purple Lagiacrus come in
split mortar
We gonna lose our message perms at this rate
wheat walrus
We gonna lose our message perms at this rate
yes let's do this
melon gun lore immortalized again
dense lynx
Like when did dragonic era began
split mortar
Like when did dragonic era began
We dunno
deft vessel
Long ago™
dense lynx
Like it cant be like 2k years ago?
split mortar
At minimum the dragon era is 2K~ years ago but has no defined upper limit
Started 2k, ended oike 800 years ago
dense lynx
But what happened before dragonic era?
deft vessel
Something
After the world soils fracturing, Fovos’ invasion is really the only event we know of from back then
dense lynx
Like i dont believe planet is like only 2k years old
deft vessel
Yea, but there is no (public atleast) lore for that stuff
split mortar
Also how old is Calamitas?
Like 28
dense lynx
I quess Terrarians age depends
split mortar
The terrarian is you moment yeah
young socket
But what happened before dragonic era?
pre history
dense lynx
And Calamitas still in Yharim ranks same time as Draedon?
long bloom
yeah
dense lynx
So did Plague happened same time as Ilemris incienration?
long bloom
So did Plague happened same time as Ilemris incienration?
like a year before
calamitas joined the crusade around 1870 and draedon left around 1874
and ilmeris was around 1875
young socket
So did Plague happened same time as Ilemris incienration?
after
draedons final order from yharim was to make something that was equal to calamitas, since she left
long bloom
draedons final order from yharim was to make something that was equal to calamit...
he got the order before the plague happened
wait
young socket
long bloom
i might be misremembering
uhhh yeah idk
but i do remember that calclone happened after the plague
draedon decided to complete the project to see what would happen
young socket
"After the Incineration, however, my research [on Calamitas] came to an abrupt and unplanned end. The Archmage had already chosen to desert Yharim, and Calamitas followed in his footsteps shortly thereafter. It was then I would get my final official order from Yharim: replicate the Witch's power. My focus at the time was the Plague, so initially I made minimal progress. Soon after, the Godseeker and I went our separate ways."
long bloom
great now i need to find the point in my timeline i fucked the math up
young socket
probably the incineration since no defined date
long bloom
it's roughly 10 years before the start of the game which is
uhhhhhhhh
hell
why did they have to make it a ten fucking year window
if it's over like 3 years after 1886 then the timeline gets weird
an actual confirmed year would save my goddamn life
but for now i guess it's 1887
fast pond
hmmm does anyone know what the remaining crusade members did after Yharim went to The Aerie alone?
split mortar
They mostly just fizzled out iirc
fast pond
hm
gone
reduced to atoms
well understandable, a group with its leader disappear will just break apart
subtle geyser
draedon was an asshole I'm glad he's gone
fast pond
some of them even went for Elemental hunt
I really wanna find more info about The Crusade's remains
split mortar
I really wanna find more info about The Crusade's remains
The mech bosses reactivate when we kill wof due to the god essence iirc
fast pond
The mech bosses reactivate when we kill wof due to the god essence iirc
uhhh the mech bosses are powered with fallen soldiers of the crusade's soul, no?
split mortar
Also this a dev quote
-# just grabbing random info i know of the crusade
dense lynx
So Terrarias human history is shorter than earths human history
split mortar
So Terrarias human history is shorter than earths human history
Yeah
The first ever large scale settlement was azafure and that things foundation is what marks the start of the calander
fast pond
Yea
I dont think so, maybe Draedon just abandon them like he did with the Aureus
he didnt like them cuz he couldnt control them
scarlet axle
Is azafure still like 2000 years old
fast pond
those souls have will
split mortar
They power and also control the mech bodies
fast pond
yes
untold oracle
Is azafure still like 2000 years old
I mean the calendar in calamity is based on azafure’s founding and azafure exploded like 1870 or smth about there i think
scarlet axle
Azafure younger than london thats crazy
split mortar
Yharim released them
Idk how that contradicts wut i said
fast pond
Idk how that contradicts wut i said
I mean you said the trio reactivated after we break the wof
but no, it's still working even before that
split mortar
A fair enough
split mortar
I wonder why they didnt come and beat the sh out of the Terrarian in pre hm
Because we didnt have as much god essence around us
fast pond
oh yes
split mortar
While wof just explodes all it has everywhere and so alerts mechs to us
split mortar
Im going to beat you with rocks
untold oracle
You cant do that
dusk laurel
i will atomize leas alcohol
fast pond
This clearly implies that the terrarian is divine
ummm no, they just use the soul from slain gods
they didnt consume an Auric soul
untold oracle
i will atomize leas alcohol
Thats like pretty mean
Also she doesnt drink that much anymore
Checkmate
dusk laurel
fine i'll poison the water supply
split mortar
ummm no, they just use the soul from slain gods
Since when do we use a gods soul ?
long bloom
i think they mean yharon frags
fast pond
Since when do we use a gods soul ?
soul of night and soul of light
split mortar
Those are infected normal souls im pretty sure
long bloom
wait they might be cooking
split mortar
Hence why normal enemies drop them
long bloom
i never even considered they could be pieces of god souls
untold oracle
Just like
Collect 10000 souls of night and create evil god
The summon item requires 10000 souls and it is consumable
fast pond
I mean gods also has "light" and "night" part in them, right?
untold oracle
Lore accurate gameplay design
untold oracle
I mean gods also has "light" and "night" part in them, right?
No
split mortar
Gods dont have an auric soul
Their soul completely fuses with the auric soul and is a different thing to both previous souls
deft vessel
A fusion of the original and the auric
long bloom
they're also really unstable when the god dies iirc
long bloom
yeah that's why you don't see like provi's soul sticking around
split mortar
Yeah instead you mine it (uelibloom)
long bloom
that's not her soul
split mortar
Esence
long bloom
nop
real glen
'soul' is basically ghost
So is fused dragons can only see, but can't control body
deft vessel
Iirc the world soul shard from the world souls lost their sentience when they united with their dragon
split mortar
Iirc the world soul shard from the world souls lost their sentience when they un...
Whaur
deft vessel
Has the rp lore over taken my lore memory…
split mortar
Yes
deft vessel
untold oracle
The rp is basically canon though
mighty zenith
Who would you rather be at your front door
Yharim or goku
i could befriend goku probably
frozen shard
where does draedon watch you from
haughty seal
where does draedon watch you from
probably a lab on another continent
split mortar
i imagine draedon still has labs on the heartlands
frozen shard
heartlands?
haughty seal
heartlands?
the area where the player plays
frozen shard
oh
haughty seal
the area where Yharim's crusade started
split mortar
headcanon name one of the writers has for the continent we play on, while not canon its the only name we have that can consistently refer to it
split mortar
headcanon name one of the writers has for the continent we play on, while not ca...
cause the world name is the actual name of the continent
split mortar
so im trying to get into it
hope you enjoy it
frozen shard
im really liking it
split mortar
nice
split mortar
the surface used to be a lot worse then hell when the dragons were in control, and crags had a very high amount of vegatation so it was appealing to people who wanted to make a settlement iirc
sinful adder
why are there cities in hell?
Humans lived underground for millennia because dragons lived on the surface
split mortar
the sun is why the surface was worse
frozen shard
does player kill every boss or spare some
i do know that the brimstone witch doesnt get killed
split mortar
ingame only scal and deus are spared when you beat them in the boss fight
do note that the terrarian is up to you so if you want you can let other bosses live by just not fighting them
pliant ruin
Cnidrion may not be a boss but it's also getting a spare option futurely
frozen shard
im asking because some bosses just disappear when you kill them, instead of just exploding into pieces
pliant ruin
when it gets promoted from regular enemy to Miniboss
split mortar
deus isnt shown ingame due to outdated mod
we just beat the rotten food out of it then it leaves
pliant ruin
Calamitas, Draedon, Deus and Slime God are the only bosses that survive fighting us
frozen shard
well draedon we arent exactly fighting him
pliant ruin
And out of those the 4th just ends up getting killed later if you choose to fight quene slime
frozen shard
its his creations hes testing us with
split mortar
anahita and brimmy technically aswell
pliant ruin
Albeit that might be changed if slime god's progression shift gets through but thats a whole othere can of worms
frozen shard
does slime god just retreat?
split mortar
yeah
pliant ruin
Mhm
strong compass
the surface used to be a lot worse then hell when the dragons were in control, a...
but why hell specifically
young socket
instead of the usual death dialogue, it says the fled
pliant ruin
well draedon we arent exactly fighting him
I mean you can't really get more of a Draedon fight than exo mechs
strong compass
wasn't it a place for the damned
pliant ruin
hell isn't actual literal hell
pliant ruin
actually
split mortar
hell isnt literal hell its just a lava cave that is big
frozen shard
I mean you can't really get more of a Draedon fight than exo mechs
draedon knows the player would just demolish him in person
young socket
a literal world under the normal world
young socket
its an open space with life in it
split mortar
draedon knows the player would just demolish him in person
the terrarian ingame cant kill draedon due to how the guy works
pliant ruin
draedon knows the player would just demolish him in person
No not really
It's just that you really can't fight him
young socket
its literally just not even called hell
i mean it is but its a recent tern in universe
since like
ppl kinda stopped living there as much it seems
pliant ruin
Draedon isn't a single entity he's more of a operational system than anything
frozen shard
is he?
pliant ruin
Exo mechs are as much Draedon as his scout bodies are
young socket
yes hes a robot
split mortar
the guys about as immortal as the internet
pliant ruin
The body you find him in ingame is just one of many scout bodies he has and he dosen't have like a central body or anything
split mortar
draedon is a artificial intelligence the guy has backups everywhere
pliant ruin
He runs through code, he's a robot
frozen shard
so hes a robot that create robots
pliant ruin
Yep
young socket
Exo mechs are as much Draedon as his scout bodies are
i wouldnt say that since he isnt rlly operating them directly
theyre more like advanced auto targetting turrets
yes he controls it but it works on its own mainly
pliant ruin
To b fair
He could probably control them if he wanted to
It's just that like that's just worse
young socket
theyre more like advanced auto targetting turrets
but like really advanced
frozen shard
was draedon ever a person?
young socket
unclear
pliant ruin
Intentionally left ambiguous
but the possibility's there
Personally i believe it yeah
frozen shard
hmmm
young socket
he woke up next to a dead person with a bunch of machinery attached
pliant ruin
mhm
frozen shard
why is queen slime stronger than slime god
strong compass
no its the underworld
isnt the underowrld for dead peopl;e
young socket
a literal world under the normal world
_ _
pliant ruin
zombies and shit
theres no like designed palce for them to go to
underworld isnt biblical hell, as the others have said
split mortar
yeah the undead just kinda exist
pliant ruin
It's just a big ass lava cave under the surface
it's an literal Under World, as tsuki said, not Hell
split mortar
demons are just a tribal species iirc
not as advanced as people but not wild animal
iirc
strong compass
calamity mod demons aren't inherently evil, just species that exist?
pliant ruin
yeah
frozen shard
i think every mob in terraria and calamity is evil
pliant ruin
they're not like manifestations of evil they're just Dudes
frozen shard
they just attack you
pliant ruin
so true oomfie
split mortar
how is light evil?
frozen shard
how is light evil?
hallowed
frozen shard
the mobs are attacking you
i dont know about empress of light
i kill this butterfly then she spawns and tries to kill me
i guess im in the wrong?
split mortar
i guess im in the wrong?
yeah, the hallowed gods are good gods hence why yharim doesnt mention it directly
the hallowed enemies prob attack you cause the gods cant fully control the creatures on account of being dead
real glen
They don't attack each other...
But that's just gameplay so
dusk laurel
unicorn killing every single corruption enemy and spawning in the hive mind
split mortar
make hivemind post ml but dont change its summon method so new players suffer the jumpscare
untold oracle
calamity mod demons aren't inherently evil, just species that exist?
Extreme demon
Idk i saw that pfp alongside the word demon and felt like saying it
strong compass
Idk i saw that pfp alongside the word demon and felt like saying it
its from a joke we had today in the dota 2 discord voice chat
cuz there were 2 guys in a party using difficulty face pfps so i said fuck it and started a movement where we had 5 people using pfps
limpid saddle
make hivemind post ml but dont change its summon method so new players suffer th...
honestly that sounds fucking awesome for getting to experience the rework early but also for low% runs
crimson junco
make hivemind post ml but dont change its summon method so new players suffer th...
100k health blob
split mortar
no keep it 1K health
crimson junco
1 health
visual kiln
peeb
hoary cape
Make the cyst die upon entering your screen
subtle geyser
yeah, the hallowed gods are good gods hence why yharim doesnt mention it directl...
you have no proof that they were good
this is slanderous
calm patio
you have no proof that they were good
crimson junco
my character commits endangered species genocide
hoary cape
kiriGenocide
stoic gulch
Genocide like undertale like ghost like scary like darkness like phobia like being forgotten like deltarune
mighty zenith
🚿
scenic olive
Pretend im Yharim and youre told to kill your students because they betrayed the crusade
scenic olive
spark spoke
Hai
I need Yharim lore
As a temporary placeholder I wrote him into an peasant orphan
But I feel that’s not canon
long bloom
he was raised in some sort of cult and was destined to consume yharon's soul and become the god-king, but he said fuck that so they threw him in lava
causing yharon to hatch and save him
spark spoke
Wow…
long bloom
yharon then told him about how the gods killed all the dragons, yharim got pissed and started the crusade
long bloom
Why did the gods kill the dragons
to become a god, you need to absorb an auric dragon's soul
long bloom
Yharon can talk???
he can communicate in some way, we currently don't know how
spark spoke
to become a god, you need to absorb an auric dragon's soul
This just threw a heavy wrench in my story
long bloom
how so
spark spoke
In the fanon, the existence of gods predates the existence of dragons.
long bloom
ah
yeah that's
not correct
xeroc, the first god, ascended to godhood in the year 1037
spark spoke
Wait
long bloom
many thousands of years after dragons showed up
spark spoke
Isn’t Xeroc the same guy as Nameless Deity of Light?
spark spoke
WHAT
split mortar
Wotg is not official
long bloom
no addons are canon
spark spoke
WELP. Total rewrite time.
long bloom
also nameless deity isn't xeroc anymore
split mortar
And nameless was based on old scrapped lore of xeroc before the big rewrite
spark spoke
There was a rewrite?
split mortar
Yeah over 2 years ago new writers came and are rewriting the entire lore
spark spoke
Sorry, I’m a bit new to calamity
long bloom
all calamity lore got overhauled in early 2022
spark spoke
Btw, is Cthulhu still canon to calamity?
split mortar
No
long bloom
in the pins of this channel, there's a google doc with all the lore in the game
spark spoke
Oh thx
long bloom
Btw, is Cthulhu still canon to calamity?
cthulhu is another word for big monster in calamity
spark spoke
cthulhu is another word for big monster in calamity
Then how did the mechanical bosses and Moon Lord exist?
split mortar
Ml isnt cthulhu
long bloom
vanilla lore isn't canon either
split mortar
Draedon made mech bosses
long bloom
moonlord is just a space creature
spark spoke
Oh.
split mortar
moonlord is just a space creature
Calling the guy just a space creature kinda undersells what the guy can do
long bloom
i was saying that in reference to his origins
spark spoke
I was gonna introduce some custom characters based on existing lore, but I guess that’s not gonna work.
heavy zenith
DoG is an interdimensional creature lol
spark spoke
Calling the guy just a space creature kinda undersells what the guy can do
What does he do?
split mortar
What does he do?
Fight the entirety of the dragons
long bloom
he solod half of all the dragons, for one
split mortar
At once
spark spoke
DoG is an interdimensional creature lol
Oh, right. How did DoG exist?
long bloom
we dunno
spark spoke
he solod half of all the dragons, for one
Oh damn
split mortar
Something distortion or noxus related but we dunno
spark spoke
I feel gods aren’t as powerful in calamity as they are in other media.
long bloom
they are not
spark spoke
Dang
long bloom
calamity intentionally doesn't scale very high
split mortar
god is a vague word
spark spoke
Can I… pitch my fanon lore anyways? It’s worth a shot before I throw it all in the trash
long bloom
go for it
heavy zenith
No info is given on how he became, but there is speculation that he's part of a theoretical hive mind that's controlled by an unnamed powerful being, devs confirming it to be Noxus in this thread
@spark spoke ^
spark spoke
No info is given on how he became, but there is speculation that he's part of a ...
Oh cool
long bloom
No info is given on how he became, but there is speculation that he's part of a ...
this is about dog btw
heavy zenith
He does come from the Distortion though, in which Noxus is the ruler and controller of said hive mind
Maybe it isn't confirmed in game, only a theory by Draedon
spark spoke
What’s the creation theory for calamity mod?
long bloom
?
heavy zenith
Here I'll just link my video
The first chapter I go over is everything we know about creation
long bloom
hold your horses
long bloom
What’s the creation theory for calamity mod?
what's a creation theory
heavy zenith
spark spoke
what's a creation theory
How the world came into existence
spark spoke
And then dragons just… evolved???
long bloom
yeah
but at one point, there might've been a a world soul that shattered into fragments, imbuing the dragons with the auric power
split mortar
And then dragons just… evolved???
They are a natural species (or genus or whatever they are)
So yeah
spark spoke
They are a natural species (or genus or whatever they are)
So yeah
Fascinating.
split mortar
but at one point, there might've been a a world soul that shattered into fragmen...
There was a world soul its me tioned by the bestiary
long bloom
There was a world soul its me tioned by the bestiary
yeah but it's from the same entry as "the eternal night beyond" sooo
split mortar
yeah but it's from the same entry as "the eternal night beyond" sooo
I dont get your point
long bloom
ok
spark spoke
Hm
What would be the theoretical impact if I created a mysterious entity called the “Astral Dome” that basically splits the world into the canon half and let my fanon content originate from beyond this veil?
long bloom
whuh
spark spoke
Imagine giant force field made of stars
split mortar
Draedon would like to science it
spark spoke
Draedon would like to science it
Would be hard considering it’s the very edge of the observable universe.
spark spoke
Lol
long bloom
he doesn't have ftl yet
zenith geode
he's not exactly on a strict timer like humans are though
long bloom
true
heavy zenith
I think it's so funny that he wants to start mining resources on the moon but he's probed other dimensions lmao
spark spoke
he doesn't have ftl yet
Considering how fast Ares goes after my ass every time I’m on low health, I’d like to disagree.
split mortar
Yeah draedon has literally eternity to science stuff
spark spoke
What even is draedon
long bloom
robot
split mortar
A artificial intelligence with the goal of science until there is nothing left to science
zenith geode
I think it's so funny that he wants to start mining resources on the moon but he...
alright but the moon's like super fucked up and had an evil guy on it
long bloom
What even is draedon
he woke up in a lab one day 650 years ago next to some dead guy
zenith geode
he kinda couldnt do anything about the evil guy
long bloom
was possibly a failed consciousness transfer
heavy zenith
Yeah that's true
Idk I feel Draedon could figure out a portal to the distortion if he felt like, cosmolite is stronger than luminite after all
Unless Noxus has power over all portals to and from the Dist.
long bloom
he's not very big on magic though
spark spoke
I want to make a fanon ore
heavy zenith
Sadge
zenith geode
yharim bar 🤤
spark spoke
https://tenor.com/view/invader-zim-movie-enter-the-gif-14899370
No embeds lmao
heavy zenith
I cri
long bloom
epic embed fail
spark spoke
I want to make a fanon ore
I’m calling it Divinium.
heavy zenith
Call it Super copper
long bloom
turbo wulfrum
spark spoke
Call it Super copper
That’s just astral ore
heavy zenith
💀
spark spoke
It’s copper but rusted
long bloom
It’s copper but rusted
what does this mean i'm confused
zenith geode
actually its corrosion
spark spoke
what does this mean i'm confused
Iron rust is orange/red
zenith geode
rust is specifically a compound between iron and oxygen
spark spoke
rust is specifically a compound between iron and oxygen
Eh close enough
spark spoke
how is this related to malachite
Search up the mineral composition of malachite
mighty zenith
malachite literally is oxidised copper
real silo
You know what else is oxidised copper
mighty zenith
my m
real silo
the mod role
spark spoke
You know what else is oxidised copper
Waxed lightly weathered cut copper stairs?
real silo
wrong
spark spoke
It is tho
It’s waxed slightly oxidised copper
Albeit it’s 3/4ths of a cubic meter of copper…
-anyways we’re getting off topic
Uh
Are there any other canonically living dragons in calamity apart from Yharon?
(And Betsy)
zenith geode
betsy is fake
spark spoke
(Wut)
zenith geode
crossover content is non canon
young socket
any crossover content isnt canon
spark spoke
Aw
mighty zenith
there are other dragons but he's the last auric dragon
spark spoke
there are other dragons but he's the last auric dragon
Ooooo other dragons
What types of dragons are there?
long bloom
a lot
young socket
i highly recommend you read the pinned document
zenith geode
offshoots like fishrons and wyrms
mighty zenith
offshoots, range from stuff like dragonfolly to eidolon wyrms
split mortar
Wyverns
Duke fishron
Eidolon wyrms
Dragonfolly
spark spoke
offshoots like fishrons and wyrms
Fishrons are dragons?
split mortar
Thise are some
zenith geode
pig fish dragon
split mortar
Fishrons are dragons?
Thats what teh rons is from
dRagON
spark spoke
Oh
long bloom
there's currently 13 auric dragons that we know of but the actual number is in the high hundreds
they're all dead tho
zenith geode
yharon will undead soon
long bloom
true
spark spoke
Does this mean I can make a dracolich boss?
long bloom
who has the dragon list again
zenith geode
the only way to actually kill yharon is to eat his soul iirc
long bloom
yeah
split mortar
the only way to actually kill yharon is to eat his soul iirc
Yeah and that teleports to what seems to functionally be a different dimension
long bloom
i feel like you should provide context for that
spark spoke
Yeah and that teleports to what seems to functionally be a different dimension
? Wdym
The eternal garden?
split mortar
Yharons soul goes to the dragons aerie on death
long bloom
the dragon aerie
spark spoke
Oh
young socket
i highly recommend you read the pinned document
@spark spoke
spark spoke
<@811393355396808724>
Okie
long bloom
bc yharon is the dragon of rebirth, his soul specifically teleports to the aerie when he dies
no other dragon does that
spark spoke
<@811393355396808724>
I’ll do that first then. Ttyl
long bloom
👍
heavy zenith
No other dragon does that cuz they all dead
zenith geode
also because yharon's domain is rebirth
heavy zenith
That too
heavy zenith
Wait so like God's have access to the Aerie then right? Since they had yharons egg ready to be turned into a soul?
Unless they caught him lacking
long bloom
only dragon monks iirc
but there could've been another dragon monk god that took the egg
heavy zenith
Oh so monks are like issued to dragons as an advisor or...
split mortar
Oh so monks are like issued to dragons as an advisor or...
We dunno
mighty zenith
banned
reef wigeon
Hello again guyseth
split mortar
hello again
reef wigeon
Ist knowse mye deareth Buddiy
reef wigeon
Why does lore discussion die when I send a message?-
real silo
latent bolt
"No, Yharon doesnt give birth" - Nameless Deity
warm gull
my favorite calamity mode character is demon slayer
prime trench
Why is slime god weaker than queen slime I don't get it, is there more lore about this
glacial rampart
uh
well slime god existed as a pre-hm boss
in the mod
then terraria added queen slime in hardmode
so they made queen slime a paladin that ends up trapping slime god
which is kind of stupid 
iirc though some aspect of it might get changed down the line
to make more sense
pliant ruin
Why is slime god weaker than queen slime I don't get it, is there more lore abou...
queen slime is slime god tl;dr
Was the way the devs found to make queen slime's existence make sense
Might be changed if slime god ends up getting the potential progression changes that move it to mid hardmode though
spark spoke
queen slime is slime god tl;dr
They could also just nerf queen slime to right after skeletron.
a dumb idea for sure, but would make thematic sense.
mighty zenith
then there'd be two slime bosses right next to each other
pliant ruin
Changing vanilla content let alone that drastically is a big nono
Much easier to just move slime god lel
feral skiff
They could also just nerf queen slime to right after skeletron.
can’t wait to use my clentaminator to make an artificial hallowed biome, and then farm for the gelatin crystal, and then finally summon the queen slime right after skeletron
(this is a sarcastic way of saying that you’d have to change everything else to make that work)
scenic yacht
thats not calamity
pliant ruin
i'm pretty sure it was a joke
split mortar
Its another joke about qs pre hardmode
scenic yacht
oh i wasnt paying attention to this channel 
north wigeon
which is kind of stupid <:hdflr:1216214022630936658>
yea I find it really dumb and contrived
esp when you could just move sg instead and power him up for postml where you're actually supposed to fight gods
split mortar
yea I find it really dumb and contrived
esp when you could just move sg instead ...
Gods arent all post ml
Otherwise yharim would have been FUCKED at the start of the crusade
Ravager and providence are especially strong gods
While slimegod is a weak or average god
Weak if it stays pre hardmode or average if it gets moved to calclones spot
scenic yacht
yeah, there is no set power level for gods
what makes them a god is completely separate from their strength although they all have some innate strength
slime god only lived that long because its good at running the fuck away when it needs to
and then got stuck in queen slime
split mortar
Btw if sg goes to calclone then qs would be a rebelling paladin and not a paladin that absorbed sg
north wigeon
okay but even regardless of power level it's pretty dumb for sg to have an after-the-fact justification of qs just to stay where it is
split mortar
Its not a justification to keep sg pre hardmode
sg wasnt gonna be moved so they had to make a reason
north wigeon
it's like one tier removed from calclone existing because cal was moved and people wanted the slot there still/were into the bait and switch or whatever
as a "cal fakeout"
north wigeon
sg wasnt gonna be moved so they had to make a reason
you're just
restating what I just said
instead of having it be at a good and fitting place in lore more lore has to be made to sustain the status quo as a copout
split mortar
It wasnt gonna be moved cause fabsol so its not on the fault of like the lore devs or anyone else
Proposed changes to where sg is has happened now they can move sg
Those proposed changes being that it could switch with calclone
north wigeon
I'd prefer that but I still think they didn't go hard enough tbh
split mortar
Didnt go hard enough on what
pliant ruin
Given that the developers are actually considering moving slime god now
Again, wasn't really their fault
the queen slime thing is dumb yeah but it's the best they could've done
Not like they could've changed the boss much let alone move its progression spot with the Evil Man around
north wigeon
we are in a post-Evil Man era, yeah?
pliant ruin
Yeah
And Slime God is probably being moved
And with that the queen slime lore bit would die
Probably recton queen slime to just being a failed/rebel paladin or we/
w/e
my grammar
my english
im cheese
north wigeon
Didnt go hard enough on what
the placement
sg still being in hm
but fine whatevs
split mortar
Proposed changes the devs have mentioned
split mortar
If slimegod is post ml that entails the guy is among the strongest gods
pliant ruin
If it was post moon lord it'd probably be early post moon lord/pre providence
Which already is getting alot of bosses as is yeah. Profaned Guardians, Astrum Deus, Evil2, Ceaseless Void
split mortar
To the same level as providence or not too far behind
pliant ruin
And yeah the lore implications are kind of wack
Slime God is meant to be sort of the weakest god
Having the weakest god be right before one of the strongest is uh
Yeah
north wigeon
do we have any other gods in hm at least
pliant ruin
Nah
scenic yacht
currently ravager is... partly, eventually no
north wigeon
so it's less weird that you encounter a weak god but still a god pre plantera and nothing until ml?/postml
scenic yacht
since its planned to be moved
gritty kraken
If slimegod is post ml that entails the guy is among the strongest gods
Replace sg with goozma and we’re good
pliant ruin
so it's less weird that you encounter a weak god but still a god pre plantera an...
I mean yeah i'd say so
balmy glacier
Proposed changes the devs have mentioned
i like most of it, but i believe calclone should be moved between cultist and empress
scenic yacht
so it's less weird that you encounter a weak god but still a god pre plantera an...
i dont see an issue with that
balmy glacier
i like most of it, but i believe calclone should be moved between cultist and em...
and clone’s track won’t get undermined
pliant ruin
Clone's track can still work even with the progression changes
split mortar
and clone’s track won’t get undermined
The clones track is getting fucked of any movement happens
scenic yacht
as i said, slime god is currently alive not because its strong but because it ran away, a lot of things stronger then it got murked already
pliant ruin
Because Cryogen and Brimstone Elemental come after calclone so, you could argue it's more so foreshadowing
+It makes sense with them being related to calamitas Very Directly
I think with the plans the devs have i much prefer pre hm calclone for a good few reasons
- Hardmode has way too many bosses as is
- Calclone fills the empty "Final pre hm boss" space left by slime god
- Calclone being the fianl pre hm boss just goes hard. It's a fakeout ending basically. You fight Calamitas except Not Actually
- Narratively it opens up some really fucking cool possibilities. As devs ahve said you fight what you Think calamitas is in pre hardmode, the wrathful witch that destroys others in vengeance, but you get to hardmode and the first boss you fight is cryogen, which results in you talking to permafrost and from there you get to slowly know the Real calamitas
gritty kraken
tru
split mortar
Lea channel when
pliant ruin
Proposed changes the devs have mentioned
Ngl astrum aureus is the only boss that comes after slime god that feels kind of wack to be after it (Narratively) but its like
Minor Issue
The rest all feel fine to me
Plantera is more or less equal in strenght too so
mighty zenith
aureus too powerful
scenic yacht
true
feral skiff
1. Hardmode has way too many bosses as is
2. Calclone fills the empty "Final pre...
i think this along with a resprite of CalClone would be really cool
i could imagine someone doing a blind playthrough going “that’s it? the mod is over?”
then they get into hardmode and realise that the playthrough is only about 25% complete
north wigeon
didn't the devs already remove the calclone fakeout shenanigans
what's the value of readding it exactly
you learn about it once, hell 0 times if you look into it whatsoever before fighting her
and you alr know of a jillion bosses postml
dusk laurel
i like most of it, but i believe calclone should be moved between cultist and em...
that... doesnt even make sense
long bloom
what's the value of readding it exactly
for new players...?
young socket
didn't the devs already remove the calclone fakeout shenanigans
it was never a real fakeout due to the summons tooltip
north wigeon
for new players...?
how many new blind players exist at this point in the year of our lord 2025
is it worth cheapening the plot in favor of a fakeout gag for new players
young socket
how many new blind players exist at this point in the year of our lord 2025
is i...
many
cheapening the plot how???
it wouldnt be a gag
mighty zenith
how many new blind players exist at this point in the year of our lord 2025
is i...
there are over 7 million calamity players
also yeah wdym by gag
split mortar
how does making calclone seem like scal for a bit worsen the plot and also wdym gag
gritty kraken
We need to wipe peoples memories
north wigeon
there are over 7 million calamity players
what percentage of them don't know about scal or like. any postml boss
north wigeon
how does making calclone seem like scal for a bit worsen the plot and also wdym ...
just feels cheap to me tbh
what value does it serve otherwise
they removed the initial fakeout didn't they
untold oracle
aureus too powerful
Ok Garbo the Aureus Lover
mighty zenith
ok pea
untold oracle
NOP
real silo
they removed the initial fakeout didn't they
Yeah because the fakeout sucked ass
obsidian flint
is nameless a flower or is that his vessel
limpid saddle
is nameless a flower or is that his vessel
wotg aint canon dont ask here we dont know
mighty zenith
limpid saddle
bro this is addon talk
?????
obsidian flint
LMAO
mighty zenith
i think you missclicked
limpid saddle
scenic yacht
Addon lore chat in base cal server
obsidian flint
bro they need an addon lore and a hardcore channel
limpid saddle
bro they need an addon lore and a hardcore channel
why
just
go to the servers for the add-ons
long bloom
wouldn't hardcore fall under #challenge-runs
limpid saddle
& like only 2 of them have lore anyway 💔
obsidian flint
"only 40 min" bro that's 44% of a math class assuming your class is 90 minutes long
split mortar
This chat becomes inactive for hours sometimes
limpid saddle
"only 40 min" bro that's 44% of a math class assuming your class is 90 minutes l...
???
why is that the metric you're going by
wheat walrus
wa
obsidian flint
why is that the metric you're going by
i dont know
long bloom
This chat becomes inactive for hours sometimes
or days
split mortar
We dont know
long bloom
yeah i doubt that's established yet
wheat walrus
bro this is addon talk
Inconspicuous user
light linden
Hmm
Actually
If hotog was canon I wonder if yharim would be opposed to ascending himself with goozma's soul
long bloom
he would probably see it as tainted or impure
split mortar
he would probably see it as tainted or impure
Yeah
light linden
Or hell what yharon would think of both a new auric soul being made and it being from something that isn't a dragon
split mortar
Its not a auric dragon so it prob doesnt fit their bias
light linden
Especially what held it being stronger than him
split mortar
Yeah i think yharim would prob not mind as much as a auric dragon dying
But
The guy would prob still be a bit miffed about it
light linden
he would probably see it as tainted or impure
I feel like he'd be more fascinated by it than disgusted
Since it represents the possibility of new auric dragons
Or even something similar to them
Unsure of how intelligent the resulting beings would be though
Since Goozma's first action upon being created/summoned is to attack us
split mortar
Its a slime it has the desire to endlessly consume
obsidian flint
Inconspicuous user
the mods changed my name
light linden
Actually this all reminds me of something
obsidian flint
Inconspicuous user
omg pearto
light linden
Ngl I thought the lore for the slime god being hostile was that it got taken over by the crimson/corruption
Instead of its design being outdated
split mortar
Fair enough
light linden
And that the queen slime was the slime god's remains that got reanimated by the hallow
But uh back to goozma
What powers are even a result of its auric soul?
I doubt all of em, it was formed by a lot of slimes with different powers
split mortar
What powers are even a result of its auric soul?
Its the chromatic auric soul so probably a budget xeroc power
light linden
My guess was control of the visible light spectrum and most basic elements
Since it uses stone, lightning, fire, and water against us in its fight iirc
split mortar
And nuclear fission/fusion (forgor which) iirc
light linden
That might mean it can use radiation too
Ngl something I've been wondering
Has it ever been said how much of the light spectrum Xeroc can control?
thick slate
And nuclear fission/fusion (forgor which) iirc
goozma can do WHAT
thick slate
oh
dusk laurel
you gooz you lose
split mortar
Where can i see the death messages of goozma real quick
thick slate
no
limpid saddle
Where can i see the death messages of goozma real quick
I think it means 'shit-load of elements on fire' rather than 'nuclear fission'
wheat walrus
omg pearto
Pear
split mortar
Providence vs a bath
wheat walrus
I think it means 'shit-load of elements on fire' rather than 'nuclear fission'
How abt both
Both would be cooler
And 2 cakes
cosmic minnow
Providence vs a bath
When do we get more ebonia lore drops?
split mortar
When do we get more ebonia lore drops?
😭
Caprisun im removing half an electron from you
long bloom
your ions will want to explode yes
untold oracle
Providence vs a bath
Lea’s next attack
paper spindle
Now I know hunting the old god isn't official stuff
But I was wondering what the goozma lore is
All I was getting was black hole slime + auric soul
split mortar
Fuck you
split mortar
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/939634824396800030/1284296228905029692/ca...
Finally silenced
paper spindle
Ah I didn't even notice goozma was already being talked about?
snow mountain
HOLY GOOZMA , FATHER OF SLUDGE 🧫 deserves to be canon
for he has made blessed us vandals
paper spindle
HOLY GOOZMA , FATHER OF SLUDGE 🧫 deserves to be canon
Please, priest of the sludgey one. How did goozma come into existence to begin with
snow mountain
by hypnos' will art father was made manifest in viscous glory
cloud ibex
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/939634824396800030/1284296228905029692/ca...
sealed away, as the forefathers intended
limpid saddle
But it sounds like glaze
Essentially Goozma is just 'the slime god if they locked the fuck in' & ate everything
paper spindle
Essentially Goozma is just 'the slime god if they locked the fuck in' & ate ever...
Hmm I see. So what's all that nonsense about slime critical mass
limpid saddle
By consuming & ingesting so much Godly Essence it managed to coalesce a pure God Soul, not tampered or distorted
limpid saddle
Hmm I see. So what's all that nonsense about slime critical mass
I dont know i didnt fight him in hunt of the old god
Im just telling you like the lore we had
paper spindle
Im just telling you like the lore we had
Huh. Okay
limpid saddle
before they took him out back & killed him
paper spindle
before they took him out back & killed him
Wtf do you mean?
split mortar
Wtf do you mean?
Goozma was sliwly turned into noxus and then the big rewrite happened and now goozma is ancient lore
paper spindle
Ah
split mortar
When do we get more ebonia lore drops?
KILLING YOU
dusk laurel
thats the same message you already replied too,,,
split mortar
thats the same message you already replied too,,,
Using your eyes in a alcohol jar
dusk laurel
alpine jetty
is there somewhere i can read all the clam lore
north wigeon
so it's less weird that you encounter a weak god but still a god pre plantera an...
I'm sick of sg being a cowardly and weak god that runs away from shit, it's so utterly sauceless for what is supposed to be a god of slime
screw this I'm going to hotog or fables primordial nucleus when it comes out
cowardliness isn't even that well conveyed in sg tbh, it's as if that part was written to justify it running away
zenith geode
is there somewhere i can read all the clam lore
lore document in pins
paper spindle
is there somewhere i can read all the clam lore
Clam lore is on Google but I'm sure there's someone with a calamity lore doc somewhere
Yeah what woke lesbian jesus said
alpine jetty
lore document in pins
oh tysm
strong compass
oh yeah my own personal lore for the terrarian stems from a terra eagle sacrificing itself during the terrarian's previous life (he was being executed)
alpine jetty
why does yharim like bees so muhc
strong compass
why does yharim like bees so muhc
he belonged to the people of the jungle who grew up near bees
young socket
he belonged to the people of the jungle who grew up near bees
no he didnt
strong compass
no he didnt
he wasnt?
young socket
why does yharim like bees so muhc
he explains why hes fond of them in queen bees whisper
alpine jetty
didnt the dragonfolly used to be a clone of yharon
young socket
old lore
young socket
it didnt add anything and just added to already bloated jungle content
alpine jetty
oh alr alr
cosmic zenith
Not to mention the fact Yharim had all these jungle connections yet nothing related to him ever showed up in the Jungle
young socket
yea
yharon: came from jungle
yharim: lives in jungle
and that was to the extent of jungle connections
alpine jetty
ok so a few questions
who the fuck is braelor
and why does calamitas actually actually hate yharim
is it because of the super genocide or what
scenic yacht
Braelor is silva's champion basically. and cal hating yharim was primarily due to her being tasked with killing her former teacher or whatever (permafrost) after he defected due to yharim's goals becoming more of just being a tyrant instead of justice
carmine otter
in terms of time, (decades, millenia, millions of years) how long ago was the Draconic Era?
eager bluff
centuries
dont remember the exact time but IF I AM NOT MISTAKEN it was somewhere around like 6 or 700 years ago
alpine jetty
Braelor is silva's champion basically. and cal hating yharim was primarily due t...
oooooooooooh ok ok thank you that makes sense
i dont really get the braelor and silva stuff
i know she was like
the god of life or something
but idrk her deal
tropic oak
in terms of time, (decades, millenia, millions of years) how long ago was the Dr...
the draconic era ended at 1037
we dont exactly know when it started
tropic oak
pre-history era is at least 2000 years ago because the dragon aerie is implied to be older than that
scenic yacht
draedon says the aerie and yharon have likely been around for at least 2000 years but he cant exactly do a proper analysis on a place he cant find
tropic oak
the gray period starts 1037, then in the 12th century, the deific era begun and lasted until the 16th century
the crusade begins exactly on 6/19/1781 (17th century) and is still going on to this day
we start the game sometime in 1887ish
hope dat helps :)
alpine jetty
what are the things that yharim actually talks about regretting
like hes always talking about how much of a bad guy he is but
what does he actually regret
tropic oak
what are the things that yharim actually talks about regretting
I don’t think he does.
eager bluff
yharim? not finishing the job
tropic oak
unless ur talkin about yharim
alpine jetty
oh i meant yharim my bad
alpine jetty
yharim? not finishing the job
idk he sounds somewhat regretful in some lore items
tropic oak
yharim? not finishing the job
yeah im fairly sure this is the only thing he regrets
he literally congratulates you on killing providence lmfaoooo
eager bluff
tbf
it is objectively a good thing you killed her
she is, like yharim, a war criminal
alpine jetty
arent the gods actually evil but yharim just did evil shit to try to kill them
eager bluff
arent the gods actually evil but yharim just did evil shit to try to kill them
like everything its a spectrum
tropic oak
(providence, etc)
eager bluff
yeah
theres a huge amount of variance between gods like silva and gods like providence
alpine jetty
didnt they like
tropic oak
i guess slime good is a good guy?
alpine jetty
kill dragons to get their power tho
tropic oak
keeping balance and whatnot
alpine jetty
and eat their souls
tropic oak
kill dragons to get their power tho
ya
thats yharims whole justification for killing the gods
but some gods, despite murdering a dragon for their soul, are still generally good people
tyrian and ontoilou (?) would be good examples as well
eager bluff
kill dragons to get their power tho
1 action does not a monster make
tropic oak
they were generally good rulers over their people
silva is a good god and is one of two to share her domain directly with the dragon she killed
alpine jetty
1 action does not a monster make
tru
eager bluff
tyrian and otonilou were pretty good people yeah
tropic oak
the god of sacrifices (ravager) was also a pretty good guy
he gave his body (literally) to those that were harmed and restored their bodies
the reason ravager looks like that upon being revived into that flesh monster is because people THOUGHT he was evil
alpine jetty
so is yharim still the same super evil guy in the lore items or is he like
remorseful at all
cause i always got the impression he felt bad
alpine jetty
wait did i get manipulated 
tropic oak
yes
eager bluff
remorseful at all
hes remorseful to the extent of him not finishing the job
alpine jetty
what is he trying to manipulate us to od
tropic oak
finish the job
eager bluff
finish the job
tropic oak
he wants us to be his successor in a way
glacial rampart
Yharim is not remorseful about doing that stuff he did
he's just remorseful that he made a child do a genocide
alpine jetty
wait i actually got manipulated
glacial rampart
thats about the extent of his actions that he feels bad about
tropic oak
yes you got manipulated
glacial rampart
yes you got hardcore manipulated by the genocidal tyrant
hot valve
kill dragons to get their power tho
some dragons themselves were also very evil
hot valve
and (while not confirmed) some dragons likely willingly gave up their souls
eager bluff
Yharim is not remorseful about doing that stuff he did
he's just remorseful tha...
no hes remorseful that scal left, not that he made her Jane Genocide
hot valve
Yharim would never let those possibilites stop him from comitting his genocide
glacial rampart
not only is yharim the most biased source
tropic oak
dogma is gonna get you
glacial rampart
all his info on the gods is from THE most biased source Yharon
hot valve
no hes remorseful that scal left, not that he made her Jane Genocide
I mean he does realize he wronged her, no? Iirc he mentions that he hopes you will treat Calamitas better, but I may be wrong
Although I suppose all the lore items are to be rewritten
alpine jetty
this is the kinda stuff i got gaslightted on
alpine jetty
all his info on the gods is from THE most biased source Yharon
how chill is yharon
eager bluff
I mean he does realize he wronged her, no? Iirc he mentions that he hopes you wi...
not all of them, only a few
eager bluff
how chill is yharon
not chill at all
glacial rampart
how chill is yharon
seemingly has zero chill
alpine jetty
is yharon an evil fucking bird
tropic oak
yharon is fucking nuts
glacial rampart
yharon is the one who radicalized yharim in the first place
hot valve
Yharon is the person who convined Yharim to do this
tropic oak
he still slides for his master though
alpine jetty
before i read the lore i thought yharon was just the chill friend pet thing who just did what yharim said
eager bluff
not all of them, only a few
he realizes that he did things wrong to her and that led her to leaving him but he doesnt regret the whole genocide thing
hot valve
Yharon's case is more sympathetic than Yharim's since it was Yharon's own kind that was brought to exctinction, but one genocide does not justify another
glacial rampart
Yharon's case is more sympathetic than Yharim's since it was Yharon's own kind t...
although Yharon definitely does not have the full story available to him
imo
hot valve
was about to say that also yeah
Yharon definitely does not know what went down between xeroc and zeratros
glacial rampart
also considering that Yharon was probably fucking dead when a lot of that stuff happened
eager bluff
yharon is far more justified in his hatred of the gods than yharim is
hot valve
Yharon also is likely purposely leaving out how some dragons were wicked
glacial rampart
the actual validity of what happened between Xeroc and Zeratros is up in the air
alpine jetty
Yharon's case is more sympathetic than Yharim's since it was Yharon's own kind t...
when you say genocide do you mean the genocide of the gods or like the genocide they did to get to the gods
glacial rampart
Yharon also is likely purposely leaving out how some dragons were wicked
the devious dragon of flame
alpine jetty
like how many gods did they kill
eager bluff
yharon is far more justified in his hatred of the gods than yharim is
even if he did know what went down between xeroc and zeratros i wouldnt hold it against him if he still hated gods
tropic oak
when you say genocide do you mean the genocide of the gods or like the genocide ...
there were two genocides
eager bluff
when you say genocide do you mean the genocide of the gods or like the genocide ...
the genocide of the dragons
hot valve
when you say genocide do you mean the genocide of the gods or like the genocide ...
the genocide of the dragons does not justify the genocide of the gods since it's FAR from black and white
glacial rampart
there were two genocides
i remember your genocides
tropic oak
the dragons went thru genocide at the hands of fovos i think
scenic yacht
the dragons went thru genocide at the hands of fovos i think
yesnt
glacial rampart
the dragons went thru genocide at the hands of fovos i think
they were revived by Yharon after that though
then AFTER that
glacial rampart
they were killed and consumed
tropic oak
alpine jetty
i didnt know if the gods got genocided or yknow the cities they blew up to get to the gods
glacial rampart
both kind of
hot valve
Most gods were slaughtered by Yharim's crusade
alpine jetty
so how many gods were there
scenic yacht
fovos curb stomped a bunch but they could get revived, then they went through a genocide because people wanted to be gods
scenic yacht
then gods got genocided..
hot valve
so how many gods were there
unknown, I think it was in the hundreds?
maybe low thousands
eager bluff
low thousands yes
alpine jetty
ok ok
hot valve
There's a good chunk of unnamed, very elusive gods not relevant or present to the continent Calamity takes place on that still live
glacial rampart
cause when i hear gods i think like
gods in calamity are just a certain type of powerful individual who has consumed an Auric soul
alpine jetty
so why does consuming an auric soul transform you into some weird amalgamation
twilit skiff
idk a single thing abt calamity lore, is there like a doc or a video or something that just has everything presented at once?
alpine jetty
like providence
scenic yacht
idk a single thing abt calamity lore, is there like a doc or a video or somethin...
in pins
eager bluff
idk a single thing abt calamity lore, is there like a doc or a video or somethin...
check pins
hot valve
The word 'God' is a word of convenience, Calamaity gods are FAR weaker than any human religion gods
alpine jetty
like what even is providence
eager bluff
so why does consuming an auric soul transform you into some weird amalgamation
its some side effect we arent sure exactly why it happens but we know its related to the gods mindset and goals
alpine jetty
is it a rock
hot valve
what Providence is the goddess of I think is still currently unconfirmed
I hear people throw ash around a lot
hot valve
Is it actually ash? Makes sense
tropic oak
yeee
alpine jetty
so they like embody partly the dragons personality or whatever and their own goals
eager bluff
The word 'God' is a word of convenience, Calamaity gods are FAR weaker than any ...
(well no they're more akin to gods of polytheistic religions rather than monotheistic religions)
tropic oak
she never did a perfect ascension
hot valve
so they like embody partly the dragons personality or whatever and their own goa...
iirc the personality of the dragons do not impact them