lore-discussion

[split mortar]

The mechs weaponise it so its not a full downside and more so a higher output at cost of your health situation iirc

[pliant ruin]

They still have design flaws yup
Though by all means they are still Draedon's current magnum opus, he could make something even better if he wanted to and had the time and resources

[paper spindle]

I mean no one is rushing him to finish that shi

[paper spindle]

Oh yeah he'd mentioned that

[split mortar]

The exos only make unstable miracle matter once they start fighting us iirc

[paper spindle]

So he didn't even test them beforehand or did he know?

[pliant ruin]

I don't think he'd really have much of anyone to test it with

I mean he could run experiments on them and stuff and i'm sure he did but there isn't really anyone he could actually run a fight on

Us fighting the exo mechs is a test, in a way

[split mortar]

There is multiple previous designs i just dont think draedon pushed them that hard as the fight does

[paper spindle]

Ah thanks

Awfully reckless don't you think

Imagine they just exploded instantly

And he's just staring there like

"oh"

[pliant ruin]

"damn didnt think that'd happen"

[split mortar]

Lol

[paper spindle]

"I'll be back next week with a new design. This is team Draedon blasting off"

Yeah my next question. I just remembered.
Where the fuck IS Draedon? He's definitely not in space. He complained about the whole astral infection thing bullshitting him

Is he under the underworld?

[light linden]

we don't know

[paper spindle]

Or perhaps far of in the oceans

[light linden]

he likely has a central server somewhere

prolly in the tundra he was "born" in

[split mortar]

The guys an ai
Every base the guy has prob has 50 backups

[paper spindle]

He might not be though

[split mortar]

He is

[pliant ruin]

The exo mechs immediately explode due to a miracle matter instability.
Draedon:
Terrarian:
Draedon:
Terrarian: So was that like supposed to happen
Draedon: It in fact wasn't.
Terraria: Ah.
Draedon:
Terrarian: So uh, do i get something for this or
Draedon: The blueprints will be sent.
Terrarian: Alright, thanks. Yharim next week, you'll be there?
Draedon: Certainly.
Terrarian: Bet

[light linden]

he is an ai

you know ultron?

[paper spindle]

😂

[light linden]

how he's one central ai and has a BUNCH of extra bodies?

that's what draedon does too

[paper spindle]

Yeah. But wasn't there some speculation that he could've been a botched memory transplant. Or a transplant with a memory wipe?

[light linden]

well regardless of what he was before, he is an AI now

[split mortar]

Doesnt change that the guy rn is just code

[paper spindle]

I guess so

[pliant ruin]

Draedon is more of a operational system than an actual individual

[paper spindle]

Imagine running Draedon OS on your IPhone

It could probably run on every device too

Except the switch 2

Get bricked

[light linden]

no no

[paper spindle]

Anywho. Next thing. This is a question of order of events.
Creation of mech bosses, creation and overtake of Astrum aureus. Creation of plague

[light linden]

you're uh

ok to give a little context

he literally needs an exo prism to run something even based on his own neural network

[paper spindle]

I'm not sure of the order of the first two

[pliant ruin]

Mech bosses are created > Plague is created > Astrum areus is overtaken

[paper spindle]

Oh yeah I know that. Oh

[split mortar]

Astrum aureus was created long before the astral infection falls (it falls after we kill wof)

Plague is only a few years ago iirc

[light linden]

it'd either make your phone detonate or drain the battery in seconds

[pliant ruin]

Mech bosses were created by Draedon while he was still in Yharim's service. Plague was created afterwards and led to him being kicked out of the Yharmy. Aureus being infected is extremely recent and will literally happen ingame futurely (Aureus will spawn as a passive entity initially)

[paper spindle]

Hmm. So what storehouse what aureus in before the astral meteor hit

[split mortar]

We dunno the guy was just stored somewhere

[light linden]

it's likely aureus was part of a line of machines

[paper spindle]

I like the concept of doing something random like fighting the desert scourge and then having aureus just walk by your background

[paper spindle]

That begs the question: where are the rest then

[light linden]

he has an entire planet to store them

[pliant ruin]

I mean it's not really a question

There's more to the world than just the area we explore

[light linden]

and he's not gonna send a 2nd one into a place one already got taken over

[paper spindle]

Didn't he complain about space travel being too problematic?

[light linden]

?

[pliant ruin]

As in, the planet we're on

[paper spindle]

Like with the astral infection and all

[light linden]

simply put we uh

don't know exactly how expansive draedon's facilities are

[paper spindle]

There was a part about him complaining that since he can't clentaminate in space he'd have to look for alternatives

[split mortar]

We only play on part of 1 of 5 continets

[light linden]

but considering how he has facilities in a variety of extreme environments

[split mortar]

Theres a lot of land (and ocean) draedon can use

[light linden]

he likely has some all over the planet

[paper spindle]

That'd explain alot.
Ill be satisfied with that for now

[split mortar]

Hell theres an entire continent that barely anyone goes to so thats just complete free space
As long as draedon can handle the volcanos

[paper spindle]

Hawaii exists in calamity?

[light linden]

extreme heat and cold, water pressure and necromantic magic, extreme amounts of biological matter, low gravity and high altitude, and being underground seem to be no issues for him

[light linden]

if he built in the underworld I'd be surprised if he didn't have some presence on the hellhole continent

[paper spindle]

Necromantic magic was kinda of an issue wasn't it? Take a look at the cal clone.
Although that madness was calamitas' own fault wasn't it?

[light linden]

I'm referring to the sunken sea

[paper spindle]

How?

[light linden]

it hasn't been updated yet but uh

[paper spindle]

Ooh spoilers

Gimme

[light linden]

there's gonna be an entire sub-biome there that is both scorched to all hell and filled with the remnants of calamitas's necromantic magic

[light linden]

this is pretty public knowledge

[paper spindle]

... That's awfully dark

[pliant ruin]

Idk where yo uheard abt the first

it won't be scorched or anything

[light linden]

there's also a future content doc

[pliant ruin]

Assuming you're reffering to timless shores because that's the biome with the undead stuff

[paper spindle]

I assume it's gonna be between the desert and the actual sunken sea

[paper spindle]

Send it

[pliant ruin]

#calamity-update-talk

pins

[light linden]

check that ping

[light linden]

I already pinged them with it

[pliant ruin]

Timless shores are like a functional ecosystem

There's still life in there

[split mortar]

Just more undead then usual i imagine

[pliant ruin]

Albeit the aftermath of the incineration does linger here far more strongly than anywhere else as it also has a good few undead beings

[paper spindle]

I'll give it a read before I go to bed

Next question.

What's up with EoL is she working with Xeroc or sumn?

[pliant ruin]

Good question

Empress of light uh exists

yep

sure does

[light linden]

her lore will prolly get updated eventually

[pliant ruin]

She's probably getting more lore but we really don't have much atm other than
She uses primordial light

[paper spindle]

._.

That's a bit disappointing

Anywho

Next question

Is there any relationship between evil bosses and the calamity evil bosses?

[light linden]

although if you annoy the lore devs enough you might get an answer like I did for infected armor plating

(THIS IS A JOKE DO NOT DO THIS)

[light linden]

yes

[paper spindle]

What did you learn?

[light linden]

the evil 2 bosses are in a bit of limbo rn

[pliant ruin]

infected armor plating is made of infected armor plating

[light linden]

they might be moved to post-ml

[light linden]

what it is made of

[pliant ruin]

evil2's are amalgamates of the remnants of the dead gods that comprise the evil biomes

[paper spindle]

I have a meme for this somewhere

[pliant ruin]

evil1 are related but only mildly in the sense they're just beings spawned from said evil biomes

[paper spindle]

Isn't that what the evil 1 bosses are?

[pliant ruin]

evil1 are no more special than something like a eater of souls, face monster or crimera, they're just stronger

[paper spindle]

Ah

I see

[pliant ruin]

evil2 are the actual unique ones because they're the actual like, gods

fragments of them, anyways

[paper spindle]

Nice nice

Next question

Are the perforators a separate entity/consciousness/will from the hive

[pliant ruin]

Given Perforators are being redesigned i don't think there's any lore made or that will be made for that

[paper spindle]

Aww. I liked those worms. Too bad

Well I'm out of questions for today

Until next week

[pliant ruin]

cya :D

[light linden]

this specifically

wait crap

I think I pinged ozzatron

sorry

[paper spindle]

It's so over

[zenith geode]

you didnt

[hoary berry]

if you had, there’d be an @ before his username

[zenith geode]

^

[light linden]

oh thank god

[split mortar]

Ozzatron wouldnt kill you if you had pinged anyways

[zenith geode]

actually you would be publically humiliated before you got the electric chair trust

[light linden]

I'm tempted to try that ngl

[paper spindle]

Chat I'll do it for 5 gifted

[zenith geode]

happened to my buddy john once

watched the skin melt right off

[heavy zenith]

*Eric

[paper spindle]

Oh I remember a question I had now

Do we ever get more Providence lore or is that getting reworked as well

[split mortar]

Yeah we will get more providence lore

[faint totem]

Mmmmm, soup

[paper spindle]

I like the story where she just tells her guardians that none of them are worthy of the soul

And then just takes it for herself

[mighty zenith]

there's embers if you want more of provi as a character

[split mortar]

EMBERS MENTIONED

#lore-discussion message

[mighty zenith]

thank you grapefruit launcher

[split mortar]

Shut up

[faint totem]

Cantaloupe rifle

[paper spindle]

First glance and this looks peak. I'll give it a read later tonight

[strong compass]

how did the terrarian come to the land

[split mortar]

The terrarians lore is up to tou

[jolly edge]

up to you, idk if the terrairanm has lore

[faint totem]

They came crashing down like a fallen star

[split mortar]

Its left blank so you can put an oc there easily

[jolly edge]

awesome sauce

[faint totem]

The only canon thing about the Terrarian is they’re shit at naming things

That is the only canon part of us.

[faint totem]

Pretty much

[strong compass]

no but how did he spawn in the world

[split mortar]

Up to you

[faint totem]

Mine got isekaied after attempting suicide.

Yours can be whatever the hell you want

[strong compass]

I guess mine was the king of the kingdom of slom (ok a bit of dota 2 lore is needed to understand this) before falling from power, on the brink of execution during a coup until no vital signs could be detectedand declared dead, before the royal soul was reborn into the land of terraria

[faint totem]

Neat

[strong compass]

If you dont know the lore about slom

The kingdom of Slom and the kingdom of Elze warred each other for centuries

[faint totem]

That was mean sorry

[jolly edge]

i saw that

[strong compass]

eventually the kingdom of Elze fell due to the seductive Demon queen who made its male citizens climax to survive (actual lore from dota 2, dont ask)

Slom on the other hand, fell due to a famous rebellion that cursed an entire royal family to forever be werewolves

The last king of slom "died", but for the sake of my lore, the king's royal soul was reborn into the Terrarian

[faint totem]

The cum Queen.

[strong compass]

https://dota2.fandom.com/wiki/Elze

[faint totem]

Well my terrarian is basically ex-military in a world where it’s mainly the sky islands in terraria mixed with the cloud lands in Arcane Odyssey

And humans can grow fucking wings

[strong compass]

ok i guess

[faint totem]

They start with fledgling wings(as basically a reference point), but can eventually mutate into demon, butterfly, bat, or even mechanical wings

And her home was destroyed in the war she was a soldier in, meaning her family and little sister was dead. So she ripped her own wings out and jumped from the clouds to kill herself. When she opened her eyes, she saw the blue sky green grass of terraria

[tall delta]

no

[faint totem]

Yes

[tall delta]

there are other canon things about your character but they are vague

[strong compass]

the royal soul of the King was reborn because while he got mauled to death by the animals, one of Karroch (Beastmaster)'s pets, the eagle of life, sacrificed itself releasing the energy of Terraria, causing the King to no longer be alive on the plane of Dota. instead he woke up dressed up as one of Slom's commoners, having consumed the essence of the Eagle (allowing them to wear wings)

on the plane of Terraria

in Dota there are "planes" or worlds

like the distortion, but they are separate

[faint totem]

Oh you were saying the ONLY Thing isn’t the naming

[tall delta]

yeah

[faint totem]

Oh that’s cool

[strong compass]

Mine links the lore of Dota with the lore of Calamity

[faint totem]

The naming is the most concretely canon thing tho

And that we’re canonically 6 foot

[strong compass]

Karroch wasn't a fan of the King

[faint totem]

Yes I’m not kidding, the Terrarian is 6 feet tall

[strong compass]

but one of the King's animals, the eagle of life, was

[faint totem]

I’m listening

[strong compass]

makes sense he was a fallen king in my lore

[faint totem]

Nice

We are shorter than yharim tho

[split mortar]

tbf yharim is fucking tall for a person

[faint totem]

Well he’s cracked.

[random mulch]

yharim's like, 2 and a half meters tall

[faint totem]

He’s 7-8 feet tall ya

[split mortar]

He’s 8’1 and like 9 foot with armour on iirc

[long bloom]

where are you getting these numbers

none of that is official except the 9'

[young socket]

9 foot is the total

8'1 is the estimate for no armour

[long bloom]

again
who said that

[split mortar]

Even with armour the guy aint 9 foot unless we count hair

[young socket]

yea u can literally just

see it

in the artwork

eye level for yharim isnt even close to 9

the horns add a quite a bit of height

and the plume adds a lot of height

[split mortar]

And still not reaching 9 foot

[split mortar]

Scals hair just becomes flat instantly when it reaches a height lmao

[jolly edge]

wait is Scal actually 5'4

[young socket]

yes

[stuck shore]

Can there be t poses of cal characters that have human bodies for size comparison

[young socket]

im literally as tall as cal its hilarious

[split mortar]

Make yharim buffer

[young socket]

at least i think i am

somewhere around there

im as tall as my mum and my mums around 5'4

[random mulch]

i would absolutely tower over calamitas

[jolly edge]

same lol

[split mortar]

He buff but thats with thick metal and exotech armour

BUFFER

[random mulch]

last time i got my height checked i was 184 cm tall

and then there's draedon

[pliant ruin]

big

[split mortar]

We dont talk about draedon

[zenith geode]

tbf thats a recon body

[random mulch]

it's still tall as shit

[zenith geode]

do we have any idea what his main body is

[split mortar]

We dunno if the guy has a main bodt

[zenith geode]

based on the fact that he has recon bodies he probably has a main one

[limpid saddle]

i like to think he's kept up his 'original' body he was first uploaded to in pristine condition

It seems like him to have that kind of subtle sentimentality

[zenith geode]

wasnt that several hundred years ago

[jolly edge]

he probably has an shitload of backup bodies

[limpid saddle]

yeah

Doesnt mean he cant keep it working

[jolly edge]

exo fridge

[random mulch]

bonus

[limpid saddle]

No mold ever grows in food placed inside

[random mulch]

ares would be terrifying to see irl

[limpid saddle]

Oh i never noticed ares has metal intestines

[jolly edge]

i think scal almost fits inside ares' core thingy

[robust osprey]

big fella

[zenith geode]

oh yeah is ares' skull actually crimson or is it just lighting

[limpid saddle]

quite sure it is just crimson

Alot of the design factors of Skeletron Prime (& thus Ares) were focused around intimidating or scaring the opponent

& i think a skull painted like it's covered in blood is pretty intimidating

especially when it laughs while atomizing your friends

[jolly edge]

so is draedon taller than yharim, he looks over 2 Scals tall

[long bloom]

very much so

[split mortar]

Draedons like 14 foot tall

[jolly edge]

oh wow, that is quite tall

[pliant ruin]

yeah draedon is like the size of a moose

[jolly edge]

would it be fair to say Scal is a case study in dehumanisation, being treated as primarily a weapon by yharim, reduced to her power and rage, and only having permafrost treating her well

[pliant ruin]

you could argue that yeah

[young socket]

i love how its all pixel consistent and then the nefarious rotated arm sprite

[limber locust]

Draedon would def listen to this while working on sum world ending machine

[calm patio]

No.

Draedon would listen to California gurls instead.

More superior.

[sacred loom]

It is confirmed: Anahita tastes like 3 AM water

[vague jacinth]

does Draedon have any form of compassion for others?

[split mortar]

The guy likely just sees how valuable to science people are

[vague jacinth]

I'm mainly just asking for my fanfic

thx

[sinful adder]

No.

He doesn't hate either, mind you

He's completely neutral

[vague jacinth]

question, if someone were mad at Draedon and he knew why they were angry, how would he react?

[heavy zenith]

"Now, choose"

[long sand]

how old is scal when you fight her

[pliant ruin]

late 20's

probably 26-28

[long sand]

im acutally curious because of how much shes been through

oh

okay thank you 😭

[long bloom]

it's basically confirmed she's 28

source: search "28" in this channel and scroll down

[split mortar]

Yeah

[pliant ruin]

they should make her 25.

[manic coral]

28, roughly

[long bloom]

cei coming in clutch again

[split mortar]

Make scal 20, she is cheese afterall

[manic coral]

it's what i write with in mind but given yknow

[pliant ruin]

22 is way too young so it'd be funny if she was 25

:25:

[manic coral]

"time the game takes place over is vague"

yeah

[long bloom]

make bandit 25

[pliant ruin]

irrelevant npc 🥱 🥱 😴

[spare pier]

Not if I have a say in it

[pliant ruin]

sorry that was mean

sorry to the 5 bandit fans out there

[spare pier]

I had a really good idea to rework them because their functionality is just fucking irrelevant

[pliant ruin]

dont they give you money

[spare pier]

Yes based off how much you spent on the Goblin Tinkerer

[long bloom]

peak feature i must say

[spare pier]

Iirc they were added before Fab reworked reforges

And since then they've just been there doing nothing

[long bloom]

they're just the miscellaneous rogue accessory dumping ground yeah

[spare pier]

My idea was

[pliant ruin]

I think having a entire npc dedicated to a class is a weird idea in general tbh, does vanilla even do anything like that

[spare pier]

Hey, we have problems with renewability because Vanilla literally tacks everything on fucking fishing

[split mortar]

Wizard and arms dealer

[long bloom]

witch doctor

[pliant ruin]

Idk if id count wizard

or witch doctor

[split mortar]

Witch doctor is def very biased to summoner

[pliant ruin]

they certainly have a bigger focus on mage and summoner than every other class but thats also not like their only gimmick

arms dealer though yeah i got nothing

hes just the gun guy

[spare pier]

But our options considering Vanilla are always limited and most of our general plans for renewability involve far off plans

But at the same time we can't leave things as they are right now

My solution was, to put it simply

Change fucking 90% of the dumbass recipes to Bandit

You can send them on expeditions asking for a specific item, give them some money and they'll come back later with the item

You can only ask for 1 item at a time, but you can ask for multiple copies of the same item at increased costs

[long bloom]

you might be cooking

[manic coral]

def a solution i like as well

[split mortar]

Gamatoto from battle cats was it called?

[long bloom]

yeahh that's what i was thinking of

gamatoto

the goat

[dusk laurel]

gamatoto...

[pliant ruin]

Spell Tome, Harp and Greater Mana Potion are all basically exclusively useful for Mages (Unless you literally just want to play music with the Harp i guess)
The rest are all related to other things or crystal ball which has both mage functionality and also is a crafting station

[pliant ruin]

Also that's cool i like it

Fits with them being. You Know.

The. Band. Bandit

[spare pier]

Yeah

[pliant ruin]

Certainly more interesting than
300 crafting recipes Go

[long bloom]

whatever. go, my material bloat

[pliant ruin]

The Witch Doctor is way more diverse tahn i remembered tbh

[split mortar]

Does permafrost like tea and if so how hot

[spare pier]

Also it still takes a while for them to come back and sometimes you might need more than one item for something

[long bloom]

frozen

[spare pier]

When we fix Cosmolight being Cosmolight

That won't be too stupid

[long bloom]

i just realized this exists it's called iced tea

i'm dumb

[pliant ruin]

He has melee support in form of imbuing station, a ranged weapon and two ammos, crafting material in vial of venom and of course a general mobility acessory in the leaf wings
The focus is definitely still on summoner seeing the 2 acessories, armor set and imbuing station also being good for whips but yeah

[split mortar]

Doesnt perma prefer hot consumptions over cold consumptions due to being 🧊 already?

[pliant ruin]

Cosmolight entirely invalidates the existence of the vanilla moondial and sundial items and also it's kind of lame you can just make the day and night cycle completele arbitrarily so early on the game

I can totally see perma enjoying a hot cup of mint tea tbh

[plucky juniper]

I think you should make those two craft into Cosmolight

[pliant ruin]

Hes the type of guy that'd like tea

[long bloom]

devs obliterate cosmolight and my life is yours

[spare pier]

I already shared my idea but the tl;dr is just

[split mortar]

Make the cosmilight have a horrid crafting recipe and for it to just increase the time soead by 1.1x

[pliant ruin]

Make cosmolight a block instead of a item and jujst make it a upgrade to moondial and sundial that fuses their functionality into one and grants them more weekly uses (Iirc you can use moondial/sundial once per-ingame week...)
Also make it obtainable like, late hardmode...

Cosmodial 🥹

[spare pier]

Replace Cosmolight with an item that freezes time

[pliant ruin]

This is the cheese idea

[spare pier]

Place the Cosmolight we have right now in Post ML and make it cost some Souls of Night/Light to use

[pliant ruin]

Okay costing souls of night and light is a good mechanic

Adds more longevity to those materials iwth how many of them you get

And an actual use post ml

I dig that

[long bloom]

current cosmolight is just a bandaid fix for vanilla terraria's shit game design with random unpreventable events so i think we should do something about that first

[spare pier]

I also think it might be worth making it Pre-Skeletron???

EoC is easy enough that players won't be having too much trouble with it and won't need an item to grind out attempts

Skeletron can get there for sure

[long bloom]

doesn't the old man respawn at night already

[pliant ruin]

Honestly it's just

acid rain. we have. we have a item for it.

just make one for the other events

[spare pier]

You get two attempts at most

[calm tundra]

Freezing time? Wouldn’t that fuck with the mech boss time limits

[long bloom]

right that part

[spare pier]

Yeah but who cares lmao

[calm tundra]

…balance?

[spare pier]

You aren't going over the time limit

Unless you have a completely dogshit weapon

[long bloom]

maybe disable it while a boss is alive

[calm tundra]

There are edge cases for challenge runs especially

[spare pier]

My brother in Christ the entire point of the item is making Mech Bosses not ass

[long bloom]

hm

[vague jacinth]

this is a relevent question for my fanfic, does anyone know?

[plucky juniper]

It's ANNOYING.

[split mortar]

How does the mechs vanishing at day make them ass

[spare pier]

Cosmolight exists, amongst other things, primarily because grinding attempts on Rev + Mechs is a nightmare if you need to always wait for night. You get two attempts at most before you have to run back to your bed and wait for the next night to try again

This gets annoying real fast and you have three of these motherfuckers to beat

[split mortar]

Ah grinding

[long bloom]

i mean tbf in early hardmode there's plenty of other things to do while you wait for night

but i see the issue yea

[spare pier]

Not enough to sustain 20 attempts on each Mech Boss

[calm tundra]

Yeah that list runs out real fast

Outside of like. Fishing the whole time

[spare pier]

Yeah sure that fucks with their time requirement but it's something so minute that just

Whatever

No one reachs the time limit unless their weapon is complete ass

If it really is such a big concern just make so the Mech Bosses have a timer attached to them that enrages them if you take longer than any given night

[long bloom]

yeah the timers are definitely only really relevant in vanilla where accessories suck and weapons are way less overtuned

[calm tundra]

Fair enough

[spare pier]

It's the other way around but yeah

[calm tundra]

Idk I just feel like the cosmolight is just good to have around

[spare pier]

It's too good

[calm tundra]

It’s lumped in with pylons with me (even though those are vanilla)

It just saves time

[long bloom]

pylons are way more reasonable

there's actual restrictions

[spare pier]

But also somewhat necessary due to how otherwise Mechs would be fucking nightmarish

[calm tundra]

Maybe disable the cosmolight during events?? Idk what restrictions do you want added?

[long bloom]

i want cosmolight GONE

[spare pier]

Most people will use Cosmolight to keep the time at a specific moment or skip events

[calm tundra]

That is just an awful take

[spare pier]

We allow for those things alternatively and Cosmolight doesn't need to exist

Because otherwise it will completely eviscerate any time-based mechanic we have

[calm tundra]

Like there’s gotta be something

[long bloom]

it cannot continue to exist in its current state

it has to go eventually

[spare pier]

^

It really can't

[calm tundra]

Well until I hear any better ideas I would rather have it remain in the game

[spare pier]

I gave you the idea

Replace it with an item that stops time

[calm tundra]

I said better ideas

[spare pier]

And add event blockers

[calm tundra]

That is a good idea since there is precedent

With the acid rain disabler

[spare pier]

You can accelerate time in many ways in Vanilla, and the most effective is just

A fucking bed

Cosmolight accomplishes three things
1 - Accelerating time
2 - Allowing for time-based events/bosses/whatever to remain active for as long as you desire
3 - Skipping undesirable random events

Accelerating time is accomplished by Vanilla through beds and the Sundial/Moondial if you really need it. Regardless, we'd have a slightly nerfed Cosmolight in Post ML

A timestop would allow for #2 to be accomplished as well

Event blockers would accomplish #3

Everything Cosmolight does can be done in other, far healthier ways

[calm tundra]

Cosmolight also makes angler quests less painful

But that’s moreso a problem with the angler

[spare pier]

Yeah and that's a bullet we have to bite because making Angler not suck would also mean making every single one of our other time-based features/quests we want to implement fucking broken

[calm tundra]

Fair enough yeah the little shit will remain a chore

I do apologize if I came off as rude at any part of this—sometimes I take critiques of stuff I enjoy, as like, an indictment of me as a person

[spare pier]

It's fine

[light linden]

me just chugging angler amnesia potions:

[scenic olive]

I have a better idea

Make john wulfrum real

[faint totem]

Yes

[robust osprey]

the moment it becomes real it won't be funny anymor

[split mortar]

Make fogbound real

[untold oracle]

Add lea to calamity mod

[mighty zenith]

no

[split mortar]

Add lea channel to calamity discord

[cloud ibex]

no

[split mortar]

:c

[pliant ruin]

Add The Calamity

[random mulch]

add john calamity

[balmy glacier]

add

[sage berry]

Just curious about something: is Draedon serious when he says this “…and providing an initial energy impulse, not unlike igniting a newborn star, transforms them into a facsimile of the Exo Prisms you are familiar with.” ‘cause last I remember I heard there was at least at some point a goal for the highest powers to be continent level?

A newborn star take a lot of energy after all

[pliant ruin]

mana stars

not like irl stars

[sage berry]

Ahh yes, I forgot about that detail…

I still don't fully feel like I understand that idea as a whole, as a person with science as an interest I can only do approximations with what I have… and this feat alone if done here, would make him a Type 3.5 or so on the Kardashev scale all on his own, I just find that absurd.

About 10^41 J

I just find it really neat is all

And that's even just to start an Exo prism to
Begin with

[limpid saddle]

Well he's being dramatic, it creates a more interesting visual in the players head & it's a cool line

& while, yes, with the Exo Prisms, he has access to infinite energy, it has been said by Rebecca & Cei he can't feasibly create something that can successfully harness infinite energy

[sage berry]

Yeah, just honestly it doesn't feel like something someone who values science above all else would exaggerate to that degree to be fair… if he’s truly a scientific mind then I don't see why he’d need to exaggerate the amount of energy it takes, and to be perfectly blunt when trying to take him literally as a scientific mind at his word… explaining away stars as not being our stars but being magical objects, yes, prevents the problem but to me it feels like a cop out in some respects, ‘cause we have no way then to actually test or understand how much energy he actually has to use… which for a science and math guy like me is fun.

[limpid saddle]

He's not exaggerating the input he's exaggerating the affect

[young socket]

i doubt hes exaggerating, the energy needed to properly form a star could just be

low

we wouldnt know

[limpid saddle]

A single joule could probably put charge in an Exo Prism, the whole point is that they maintain a charge without input after the initial process

[sage berry]

According to what I can find its in the order of as I mentioned 10^41 Joules of energy, which as a species we use ~10^20 yearly.

Then again I'm also having to trust the calculations the calculator is performing.

And that's to start it if we take his word at face value.

[sage berry]

Part of the beauty of math and science is that we can figure out these kinds of things out… at least that's part of why I like it, is gives answers based on information not guesswork

[young socket]

yea but again

within the context of the calamity world, a star is entirely different

[wheat walrus]

i assumed it was less abt the energy to start a newborn star and more the initial pulse being similar

still

stars are like

the astral meteor at large, more consistently like the fallen stars we pick up

[limpid saddle]

yeah thats what i was trying to convey

Also cool new pfp omni

[wheat walrus]

if we wanna assume that beyond the size difference, they'd be like real stars (likely not, but) one would have to account for this

[wheat walrus]

zanks

anyways 10^41 joules would just instantly blow up the planet

and more

[sage berry]

Yeah, magical, the problem is I have no way to test the magic and if I work with his word I only have the math to tell me the kinds of information I need and we can only do that from our world

[sage berry]

Yep.

If not contained correctly

I'd have to guess it all goes into the prism

[wheat walrus]

and do so a billion times over actually

cinema

[sage berry]

Yep! Incredible isn't it?

A type 3.5 Civilization in one person

[azure forge]

Do u ever get an explanation on why Yharon is so strong despite not having a connection to a god like balur and not having a auric soul

[zenith geode]

because auric souls come from dragons

yharon is a dragon

[mighty zenith]

he does have an auric soul

[cosmic zenith]

^

[azure forge]

The cool helement dude

I meant Yharim

Im slow

[zenith geode]

oh

[mighty zenith]

well he has a connection to a dragon

[zenith geode]

he's attuned to yharon or smth

[mighty zenith]

which lets him use auric

which is

insanely strong

and he's also just basically a superhuman by this point

[cosmic zenith]

Ah, Yharim
He is attuned to Yharon (can use Auric, improved stamina), has over a hundred years of built-up battle experience and physical strength

Yharim is definitely not the most surprising powerhouse

Braelor and Calamitas are a lot more impressive

[azure forge]

Really thought Braelor had to essential jump him with the ninja dude just to almost kill him

[mighty zenith]

braelor did most of the damage to yharim

statis was the support

and its not like they just sneak attacked him, they got into a fight

being able to fight yharim 1 on 1 is crazy

[sacred loom]

"not unlike"

[azure forge]

Oohh from the google doc assumed he was getting dog washed cause it was a 2v1 till devourer showed up

[balmy shard]

guys where can i read the lore?

[azure forge]

Think theres a google doc somewhere online idk if its on this sever tho

[mighty zenith]

it is in pins

the lore is in-game also but the google doc is the easiest way to read it currently

[sage berry]

So pretty similar to in other words?

[sacred loom]

Probably, yeah

As one could refer to fusion as "power of the stars", as i see this

Ignition of the star begins when A LOT of pressure is put upon dust cloud of hydrogen and helium

to the point fusion begins

[sage berry]

And including the gravitational energy needed to make that happen should give that 10^41 number

[sacred loom]

Cosmilite anvil is said to withstand stellar events from the description

and is an ingredient in draedon's forge

...tracks ig

[manic coral]

you're talking about real life stars

there's your first flaw in understanding

[faint totem]

Yeah stars in cal are mana. That’s why 5 fallen stars=1 mana crystal. I think

[split mortar]

Stars in calamity are basically just
Literally fallen stars but in orbit

[faint totem]

Yeah

[zenith geode]

i dont think irl stars turn into clumps of supercancer after they exist for too long and then the giant gummy worm comes to eat them

[faint totem]

Gummy worm

[sacred loom]

full quote:

[untold oracle]

I think that stars are actually like decently large and fallen stars are like fragments of them

[spring helm]

Does it not just mean that clumps of mana require an initial jolt of energy to kickstart them into becoming stars?

[sacred loom]

What is mana in calamity lore?

[faint totem]

In your bones. No im not kidding.

[sacred loom]

life essence...?

blood...

Anyway: I very much like ideas of exotech

[young socket]

yes

they r

ugh

[untold oracle]

Mostly just

[young socket]

uhh

perma quote?????

maybe???

[untold oracle]

If stars really are that small
How the hell are we supposed to see them in night sky?

[zenith geode]

theyre super bright

[young socket]

or maybe

draetalk

[untold oracle]

They arent that brighy

[young socket]

thatd meannana had a fuckton of energy

[wheat walrus]

i mean, doable

we know astrum deus dwells in the upper atmosphere or higher

assuming that's also where stars are normally at, a small object that's bright enough to be seen from the upper atmosphere at night would be lots of energy, but not to the point of being nonsensical for the setting

hell, it's prolly less than one would expect

[sacred loom]

Now i wonder what makes stars fall upon the world

[sinful adder]

No actually hold on. You're making the assumption that literally every power scaler gets wrong

Stars in calamity are nothing like real life stars

Nuclear fusion does not occur naturally. Instead, stars are literally crystals of mana that float in the upper atmosphere

Those fallen star items that fall to the ground are normal stars

[sacred loom]

You know, this probably implies natural mana is either crystalline or otherwise physically embedded into gas (mana crystals and fallen stars, respectively)

[sinful adder]

Power scalers always assume that the cosmology of fictional universes is remotely similar to ours when it almost never can be

[sage berry]

I must say that I don't have one of these to refer to or test on, so given he says it as he says it I have to go on what I can test, once its not testable its not science…

[sinful adder]

As well as the laws of physics

Exactly. It is impossible to use real world science to judge these things

[sacred loom]

:/

dude

[sinful adder]

Because the concepts involved don't exist in the same way

It's a story, the story tells you the facts of the matter

[sacred loom]

here we have it folks

official lore

for stars

[sage berry]

I have to work under the idea that if such a world can in fact exist, it must abide by some form of principles that can be at least in part understood, once those exist math and science follow, how else could Draedon be a scientist in such a world if science isn't something that works?

If it exists and is natural, and then once is it testable and repeatable its able to be understood with the scientific method

Regardless of where you are… unless logic itself fails in which case… I don't know what to say in such a case

[sacred loom]

lol

i just like that line

"He can just do that"

[young socket]

crystsls n mana veing linked

💜

[split mortar]

Mods vaporise this person

Thanks

[sacred loom]

I almost thought it was a joke from first screenshot

jeez...

[young socket]

is a scam

token logger mistvlikely

[zenith geode]

nah its just a gambling site

the kinda one that just drains your money

[young socket]

nono

theyre

[zenith geode]

so a normal gambling site

[young socket]

taking real users logins

so

[sacred loom]

I, for one, wonder what potential awaits within the process stars undergo

[split mortar]

LMAO

[wheat walrus]

wym non-whitelisted link 😭

it was a source

anyways

[zenith geode]

the gambling site isnt the token logger

[split mortar]

Omni cant believe you would try and scam people

[young socket]

me when i try to use ky scientific source.(fuck u)

[sacred loom]

Omni why are you gae

[wheat walrus]

to tldr: if you assume a star is 10000km above the sky, has an apparent luminosity of 6 (like a star in the night sky), and its form has a 1 meter radius, its wattage is something but also genuinely not that much

hell that number is actually very low for something you'd call a star and use as a magical power source

but hey, this is just luminosity

maybe there's more to it

[sacred loom]

explaining pls

[sage berry]

Then again once the claim is untestable (like it’s magic that we don't have) you can claim whatever you want, nothing has to be rigorously shown or proven anymore…

[wheat walrus]

green rathalos once defeated yharim

and xeroc

[sacred loom]

actually star's sprite should be around 4ft (2 terraria blocks) iirc so around like 1.2-1.3m

[split mortar]

The terrarian is you

[young socket]

mana stars r mucmuchmuchweaker than real ones

is the

tldr

[sacred loom]

i meant some values

like magnitudes

[sage berry]

Then how much weaker?

Can we quantify?

[sacred loom]

yea

bascly this

[wheat walrus]

Yea I was being generous here :3

[young socket]

@wheat walrus mh guy expali nthe diff3rence incpower

[split mortar]

Your fucking spelling has vanished

[young socket]

yea :3

[hoary berry]

she’s rather drunk

[young socket]

no

[sacred loom]

is she?

[sage berry]

Wait 159 K?!

[young socket]

im

totalltbot

[sacred loom]

This is comically smol

I just noticed lol

[wheat walrus]

I actually didn't account for temperature LMAO

[sacred loom]

kelvin gets to 0 Celsius at 273

[sage berry]

-114.15C?!

[wheat walrus]

wait a sec

[sacred loom]

it is colder than fucking ice

not quite like liquid nitrogen

[wheat walrus]

lemme

[sacred loom]

but

jesus

[young socket]

actualty not insane

considering

[sage berry]

This is the issue, you end up with nonsense…

[young socket]

nightwither is adebuff

[sacred loom]

...hm

on second

[young socket]

associated with sfars

[sacred loom]

thought

it makes sense

[young socket]

and is a cold debuff

[young socket]

(stratus set)

[sacred loom]

gimme the calculator

now.

[wheat walrus]

aight

assumed 5k kelvin js because

energy number sounds more reasonable now

[north wigeon]

can we bribe him into terraforming the world into a better place by just offering to be his exo mechs guinea pig

[wheat walrus]

it is still not that wild, but it makes sense now

[sage berry]

5 degrees above absolute 0?

[north wigeon]

if it really is that easy

[wheat walrus]

443,5 megawatts

[wheat walrus]

5k kelvins

as in

5000

[sacred loom]

Terrarian gives Draedon Miracle Matter repice in exchange for de-sulfuring the sea

[untold oracle]

Not that what?

[sacred loom]

because he felt pity on NPCs living there

[young socket]

omni is

european

[sage berry]

Oh I'm reading it in the wrong format

[young socket]

those dots are meant to be commas

for us english speaking folks

[sage berry]

Yeah got it now

[wheat walrus]

anyways

[sage berry]

Star radius 1m

[wheat walrus]

assumed 1 meter radius, 5000 kelvins, 10000 kilometers high, apparent magnitude of 6

quite generous on some aspects b still

[young socket]

cuz tjose r periods

[sacred loom]

i swear i am not dumb

[young socket]

tupid!!!!

[wheat walrus]

the radius is the only thing that could change since stars uhh

[split mortar]

Alcoholic

[wheat walrus]

let's take this

[young socket]

NO

[split mortar]

Alcoholic

[wheat walrus]

yea

660 megawatts

[young socket]

if u want alcoholic look at @ttaylor

[wheat walrus]

for the fallen stars, assuming specific condition this and that though

[split mortar]

Said by drunk person

[wheat walrus]

we cant know the temperature can yall show me the color of the sprite very quickly

[sage berry]

0.8 times the power of a coal plant or so

[sage berry]

If we go on that

[young socket]

IAM NOT DRNK

[wheat walrus]

aight nvm it's yellow

but when it falls, has a blue hue

[sacred loom]

i assumed stars are cold enough to be able be picked up by terrarian

[robust osprey]

if tsuki is drunk and she's a princess....

[sacred loom]

NO

[robust osprey]

[sinful adder]

Many orders of magnitude weaker

[sacred loom]

not again

[young socket]

exploding myseld

[sinful adder]

A mana star is like a lightbulb

[split mortar]

Smh my head

[sinful adder]

Maybe

[robust osprey]

don't

[sacred loom]

mana lightbulb

[robust osprey]

I will explode you

[sinful adder]

Reasonably speaking, they must be

[sacred loom]

fucking hilarious

we literally can use fallen stars as lamps

[sage berry]

Its all speculation til we can make a benchmark

[young socket]

UASID SMTHN AWFUL

[sacred loom]

actually...

[sinful adder]

You can put a fallen star in a bottle and use it as a light source, and it has a similar appearance to a torch

[sacred loom]

this implies

their luminocity once fallen is comparable to a lightbulb

[wheat walrus]

what yall thinkin, the numbers in the second one are in kelvin

[sinful adder]

I believe this means that each fallen star is about equal to a torch or lightbulb

[wheat walrus]

i mean im not against that, especially after they have fallen

[sacred loom]

hm

[wheat walrus]

i would assume that when they're in the sky, they might have more energy? idk

[sacred loom]

hmmmmmmm

maybe fallen stars is how terraria has mana in the first place

[wheat walrus]

js realized the numbers cant even be seen on black mode discord

[sacred loom]

it is dispersed in the atmosphere when star falls

and is how they are so dim once on the ground

[split mortar]

Oh theres numbers?

[wheat walrus]

yep

[young socket]

fallen stars r wiers cuz theyre not evdn full stars

[wheat walrus]

secodn image

[robust osprey]

numbers?

[young socket]

theyre lik

fragments

[sacred loom]

black

[wheat walrus]

fair enough

so for a full star they cant be used

i assume an astral meteor would be closer in size to an avg star

[young socket]

yea

we have no exact measuremeant onhow origansl stars r

ill

[sacred loom]

I like the idea of both: when star falls down it fragments into star-shaped fragments (probably from the way mana crystallizes), then mana is dispersed in the atmosphere, giving way for it to settle around the world

[young socket]

try to find the og quote msyb

[split mortar]

iirc there a quote saying the stars deus eat are like 5 foot

[wheat walrus]

feet melon

foot is 1

[young socket]

where

[split mortar]

Pluh

[wheat walrus]

holy shit

melon you wildin

[split mortar]

Whaur

[sage berry]

I'm pretty sure that's also known as a black hole!

For any normal star

[wheat walrus]

pluh

[split mortar]

Whaur

[wheat walrus]

also, i am gonna assume the blue hue is what we see when the stars are in the sky

[young socket]

whixhrgreyre not!!!!!!!!

[wheat walrus]

so maybe, 10000k

[sage berry]

That would be a black hole, in pretty sure

[sinful adder]

That would require them to be "normal stars" though, they're not.

The stars we see are not black holes

[wheat walrus]

numbers r starting to get a bit bigger, still reasonable for a full star in the sky, after all they're sustenance food to things like astrum deus

[split mortar]

Stars in calamity are mana

[sage berry]

And we get back out of being able to test it…

[young socket]

exactly

its removing theor context

[split mortar]

Draedon says it

[sage berry]

Which would make this whole point moot

[wheat walrus]

calamity isn't real life so we can't use everything real life to estimate it, but we can take at parts

🦐

[young socket]

no we r trying to figure out its enetgy output with soze and luminance

[split mortar]

Why did you say i wildin

[wheat walrus]

16,5 gigawatts is what we have for now

[sage berry]

Why? If they're not stars then the whole star calculators we have mean nothing!

[wheat walrus]

be finding every dev statement instantly

[split mortar]

Oh

[sage berry]

They're based on our physics

[wheat walrus]

this isn't a star calculator, this is a luminosity calculator

[sinful adder]

Correct. They mean nothing. You have to calculate power output based on luminosity

[snow mountain]

ogspores

[sage berry]

Guys with whose laws og physics?!

Ours…

[sinful adder]

What are you talking about

[sacred loom]

Do not use hexes on me and talk like a (wo)man

[sinful adder]

Ugh, hold on

I will give you the definitive answer on this

[sage berry]

If its not our world and we can just ignore our rules some times, then I can throw out the luminosity too.

[young socket]

they still mean stuff unless they literallt changed the entirety of physics which i dont think theyre keen on doing

cuz the "star" calcss work on non stars

[zenith geode]

your mailbox will contain countless ogspores tomorrow

[sage berry]

That's what it sounds like

[wheat walrus]

about light energy, which anything can have and it's so much simpler to put into fictional calculations like here

now, obviously, we're still gonna have to make some assumptions, such as the temperature based on the color of the glow emitted, or distance, but also making assumptions here is kind of expected since this is fiction and not real life once again, just make sure the assumptions are on the safer end and not unhinged

[sacred loom]

free food, yum

[sage berry]

All of which has been derived based on real physics

[sinful adder]

Oh wait actually. There's an extremely easy answer for this

[sacred loom]

What is your point aleph

[sinful adder]

A fallen star has a power output of around 60 watts. Maybe less.

[sage berry]

Which means we shouldn't be able to make a claim based on it, we can't have it both ways

[young socket]

@manic coral hey do u think "star" calculations would work on valamitys mana stars

[sacred loom]

we can assume stars have a temperature

[sinful adder]

That's equal to a lightbulb

[sacred loom]

how about that

[young socket]

and by that i mean

did u entirely change all of fucking physics

to make rhem not work

[sage berry]

Everything should yes?

[sacred loom]

here

[sinful adder]

Lightbulbs have a temperature based on their color

[snow mountain]

ogscules are invasive extraterrestrial lifeforms that descent on planets in massive swarms. individual entities resemble elongated fleshy stalks, ending with a trident-like appendage - seemingly a vestigial characteristic, pulsing with unkown bioelectric activity

[sacred loom]

let's continue with fun calculus

[sage berry]

Yes please

[wheat walrus]

Keep in mind this formula can be applied to anything that is round

[young socket]

yea

which

as far as we know

[sinful adder]

But this assumes that the heat is from black body radiation

It assumes the light is coming solely from heat

[young socket]

mana stars r made via gravity

so theyd be round

[sage berry]

yeah but that doesn't make it correct… if the laws of physics change

[sinful adder]

It isn't, because frost magic also glows

[sacred loom]

magic in general glows

right?

[sinful adder]

Nuclear physics must be thrown out

[warm gull]

lord

[split mortar]

The astral shrinks despite not having greater gravity, mana just kinda does attract to itself

[sacred loom]

magic fission

dear lord

[sinful adder]

Hey. You're massively overcomplicating this

[sage berry]

I'm trying to rationalize all of this

[young socket]

not always

cryogen projectiles dont glow

[sacred loom]

cryogen shoots icicles at you

lol

[split mortar]

Same logic applies of yeah attractive force equals orb but it isnt gravity doing it

[young socket]

thats prob mlre

astral having a mind of its own

somehow

[sinful adder]

Mana gradually decays into light, similar to radioactive elements.

[sage berry]

either we can use our physical rules to predict this world or we can't... If we can then we need to ignore magic as we have no data on how it works, id we can't then what are we doing here?!

[sinful adder]

A fallen star is probably comparable to an RTG of a similar power output

[sinful adder]

We can use some but not others

[sacred loom]

We are having fun with theoretical numbers for the sake of it

not fucking draedoning it

[sinful adder]

Basic concepts can be assumed to be equivalent unless stated otherwise

[split mortar]

Lmao

[sage berry]

He did though, I'm trying to follow his logic

[split mortar]

Astral and all stars condense

Pluh

[sinful adder]

Mana naturally condenses but also decays into light

[wheat walrus]

This user is real life draedon

[split mortar]

Who is

[sage berry]

Yes, its called science…

Its what he does

[sage berry]

Ideally I wouldn't cherrypick what I want to be true to get an answer

[sacred loom]

Ok dude

[wheat walrus]

What do you think of the terrarian's names

[sinful adder]

I tried to explain why this is the case earlier but you didn't get it so can you just acknowledge this as a fact:
The smallest stars in calamity have a power output within an order of magnitude of a lightbulb, so probably between 6 and 60 watts.

[wheat walrus]

(this is flawed because fiction does the thing of picking realistic science but only when it's convenient and if needed, exaggerate it all the time and calamity is not exempt from this)

[snow mountain]

ogspores

[manic coral]

i dont get them entirely jsut skimming through but given they're entirely difficult things fucntioning on entirely different logics, it's kinda futile imo for any serious means

still fun to think about though

[sacred loom]

If we could use all of our science on fantasy, it would be science-fiction

[sage berry]

That's fair

[wheat walrus]

(so, nothing wrong with using partial science to estimate fictional things that also use partial science)

[sage berry]

The thing is then why do we thing any of this will work though if we can explain parts of it away as fiction?

[sacred loom]

...What

[wheat walrus]

It's fun

[manic coral]

because it's fun to think about

[sage berry]

I'm trying to get what he’s talking about at the end of the day

[sacred loom]

Dude seriously what is your point

[sage berry]

I think we lost the plot a few messages ago

[split mortar]

I lost the plot shortly after i joined

[wheat walrus]

We're not scientists we're lore discussers

[sage berry]

I may just leave you all to this, so I don't cause any problems more than I have

[split mortar]

Ive just been grabbing dev statements when i felt like it

[sacred loom]

I think the plot was trying to rationalize/build lore upon existing calamity lore of stars

with science

[pliant ruin]

@split mortar

melon gun.

[sacred loom]

because funni

[pliant ruin]

hi melon gun

[split mortar]

Hello

I will vanish off the internet in 20 ish mins

[pliant ruin]

calsad

[sacred loom]

not forever right?

[split mortar]

Nope

[sacred loom]

:)

[snow mountain]

ogflation

[wheat walrus]

Kingslayer, destroying castles in the sky

[split mortar]

Not forever just for like
A bit
Until im done with something

[sage berry]

Yes, we're all just here to have fun, and if this kind of scientific thinking is too far away from wanting to rationalize it away as fiction so be it…

I just want to overanalyse at times, I hope I haven't caused too many issues

[sacred loom]

ngl from what i've seen you mostly bitched about stars not being like IRL stars

[wheat walrus]

Kingslayer, I'll fight for you until I die

[wheat walrus]

It's fine, but always we gotta be mindful of when it's causing disturbance in conversations

[sacred loom]

Anyway: more lore on mana

[snow mountain]

omni warn timer ticks down

[sacred loom]

what is it? how does it manifest in living things/world?

[snow mountain]

fort night

[wheat walrus]

The mods will understand

[split mortar]

Its stored in the bones

[sage berry]

Yes, thank you, indont aim to cause trouble ‘round here

[sacred loom]

...Is this literally all that is known?

[split mortar]

Idk

I know its stored in the bones tho

[sage berry]

I'm just having too much scientific fun

[sacred loom]

calcium

skeletron is the most magic we meet before hardmode

[sage berry]

I see it as a 5th fundamental fource, but that's my perspective as a scientific mind

[snow mountain]

joespeh bidn

[sacred loom]

I have a friend where his magic is similar, and is considered dark matter

[sage berry]

Of course I must then admit I can't really test or explain it in detail without going there to test it

[snow mountain]

he is canon

he is in the lore

[sage berry]

at least not science-wise

[sacred loom]

which is half the reason we can't use much science here

[snow mountain]

its a sandbox of course laws don't apply

eternally-burning blocks of fire

[sage berry]

I guess that's fair, I'm not trying to be just contrary here, I'm just being too bound to real physical life ‘cause I find it fun to overanalyze.

Now that my mind it switching gears, we should be good

Sorry for any ruckus everyone, btw.

[sacred loom]

...let's talk about sea prisms

[split mortar]

This convo was mostly incomprehensible to me so idk if there was ruckus or not

[split mortar]

Tasty

[sacred loom]

like how

[sage berry]

Though I may have to go, my batteries are low, but it's been fun, maybe we can do this again sometime? Lol… don't worry, I don't plan on causeing another uproar if we do, I'll be back when I can be I guess…

[sacred loom]

Ok bye fella

Draedon says they are self-illuminating

and found in giant geodes all around Sunken sea

(as well as incorporated into some fauna)

[split mortar]

Wonder why they are

Is it the charge?

[sacred loom]

He implies it is also self-empowered

i.e. perpetual energy

[sacred loom]

I think it is partly from Calamitas

burning the sea down

the slags eventually cooled down from water and formed into prisms

[split mortar]

Yeah the prisms do make endless amounts of a small bit of charge

Exo prisms just turn that up to fucking 11

[sacred loom]

away from Azafure, this is what sulfur's like

[sacred loom]

Draedon is what happens when you give science-fiction writer fantasy setting

[split mortar]

The sea prisms are actually probably from otonilou/vetrasyls power and not scal

[sacred loom]

i don't know those

[split mortar]

Otonilou is the goddess of electricity and resided in ilmeris and died in the incineration

Vetrasyl is the dragon she absorbed

Dragon of storm

[sacred loom]

i see

[snow mountain]

nothingburger character

[sacred loom]

Draedon fashions god's remains as greatest scientific innovation

[spare pier]

😐

[sacred loom]

hello

[split mortar]

Comment on them when the update dedicated to them fucking come out

[snow mountain]

the crystals are the only interesting thing

[wheat walrus]

kingslayer, forevermore the apple of my eye

[spare pier]

The character isn't fucking out yet

She's the focus of SSO

[snow mountain]

ogspore infection

[split mortar]

Oh damn i wonder why it seems like a nothing burger character when we have fucking jack squat no fucking shit its gonna be nothing burger rn

[wheat walrus]

john

[sacred loom]

Signus is the nothing burger character

[wheat walrus]

anyways yea

[split mortar]

Signus is the coolest of the distorters imo

[wheat walrus]

otonilou is in the oven or wherever she's being cooked

[snow mountain]

substance stomach ontonilou

[sacred loom]

Counter argument: Ceaseless void

[wheat walrus]

sea food yummy

[snow mountain]

that is the SSO