lore-discussion

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lead dev

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-server staff

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so 22 ppl joined?

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?

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Its ~ not -

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I am blind

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Sending the clamity at you

[cloud ibex]

it's more important that people can quickly see who to contact when mr beast is offering free 50 dolla steam gift cards in all channels than them being able to see who they should yell at when someone nerfs an item they like

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50 doler guft card

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Click link here for 1000 steam gift card

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Enter all bank details and home address to claim.

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ok I must now play star wars for the next 20 years

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Chat goes silent when im not present 🙏 🔥 ill kickstart a chat

err

hmm

Who would win in a proper no bars held fight

The Yharmy or SCAL + terrarian + allies

Like the ENTIRE might of the yharmy

In its absoloute peak of capability

Versus SCAL and the terrarian alongside all potential allies (all NPCs, species who are anti yharmy etc)

WITH in depth reasoning as to why one side would win.

My money is on Terrarian SCAL and allies.

[thick slate]

braelor and statis are strong

if we are including them

also the terrarian is like unscalable

[tough path]

Statis yes Braelor no as he is in the distortion untouchable

[split mortar]

i think scal alone is strong enough to do heavy damage if not nearly win imo, she can use the dead as summons and is no stranger to extreme area of effect damage and if she ever is getting tired her path of destruction and summons will prob supply enough protection for her to take any needed rests
ilmeris was vaporised by her when she was like 14 - 15 iirc, she is now like 27 she has much more skill and so should reasonably perform much better even if she only grew in skill, thats why i think she would do good if not nearly enough to win by herself against the yharmy

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This INCLUDES all draedon war machines

In this battle Draedon is on the side of the Yhamru (still)

Exo mechs are at Yharims disposal

[thick slate]

oh

[tough path]

and all other draedon creations

[thick slate]

probably like yharim then

[tough path]

no NEW shit

I.e supe exo mechs

[thick slate]

exos match scal

and yharim is stronger then both

[tough path]

Considering we beat the exo mechs we could focus on them while statis and SCAL fight the yharmy no?

[split mortar]

exos were never at yharims disposal before

[tough path]

in this scenario

he has them

the one set

the ones WE FIGHT in game

no new ones no duplicates etc

[thick slate]

assuming that draedon reinforces army with exo technology?

[split mortar]

well exos were the only thing i werent considering
terrarian and scal

[split mortar]

oh true

yeah exo yharmy would be on fucking crack

[thick slate]

if yharmy has exo tech its over

[tough path]

Terrarian and SCAL + allies (statis, all races etc)

[tough path]

only the personal weird T5 knights of yharim

[split mortar]

genuinely the yharmy may win via attrition yeesh

[tough path]

the rest get their canonical armoury

We jump the Yharmy

[thick slate]

yharmy is like massive

[tough path]

they dont know were coming

[thick slate]

we got liek 20 people

[tough path]

so draedon has NOT handed out masses of exo tech

[tough path]

Realistically who do we have

[thick slate]

uh

[tough path]

Terrarian SCAL perma,

Statis,

All other allies

[thick slate]

perma, statis, scal

[split mortar]

then scal and terrarian should like still nuke almost all of it
is yharim in the army

[thick slate]

uh

can we get the mutant

[tough path]

Yharim himself wont join in the fight until AFTER we kill exo mechs

so hes not there to begin with but at some point yes he will join the fight

after we wreck most of the Yharmy

like 75% yharmy defeated Yharim himself will join

[split mortar]

exos will prob be deployed immediately to try and beat or stall terrarian/scal

[tough path]

Exos and the brunt of the Yharmy are on a training exercise and we then appear to fight

The scenario is that theyre unaware of our arrival

so we get the jump

Permafrost is aware we want to attack and has formulated a really good plan

[split mortar]

draedon still will prob send them very quickly as soon as the attack starts

[tough path]

The exo mechs are there from the very first attack

they are present from the first instant we attack

And for the sake of

Like making it possible

[split mortar]

honestly i think yharmy would lose, would be close since yharim and exos are there but i think they would lose

[spare pier]

Is it fucked up if I say you'd have better chances at beating Noxus and then trying to defeat Yharmy than the opposite

[tough path]

Midway through the fight (fuck knows how) Braelor gets out and joins u

us*

Yharim re-enforces the Yharmy (with his t5 team of goslayer knights)

Braelor appears as he made a deal or sum shit

DoG is NOT dead and is a part of this army

[split mortar]

because noxus would prob heavily damage the yharmy by virtue of destroying a lot of shit?

[spare pier]

No because you'd be strong as fuck from beating Noxus

[split mortar]

we absorb noxus

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Noxus joins us

[split mortar]

noxus vs yharmy

[spare pier]

Beating the Yharmy all at once might as well be impossible, it's literally fighting 5 of the strongest people on the planet at the same time and then some

[tough path]

okay okay ill scale this down.

Into aaa

hmm

lets do a 5v5

[split mortar]

boss rush

[spare pier]

This is what's happening except you die horribly

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noxus vs yharmy

[spare pier]

Keyword: At the same time

[wheat walrus]

noxus is destructive but it's a singular enemy

[split mortar]

make boss rush based and have that happen

[wheat walrus]

numbers are important

they may not be as strong or destructive but you are far more easily overwhelmed

[split mortar]

prime moonlord andd the pillars vs yharmy

[spare pier]

I'm not gonna talk about how exactly Noxus vs Yharmy would go because that'd be touching on how that guy actually functions

[wheat walrus]

yea

[split mortar]

fair

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• Friendly forces:

SCAL,
The Terrarian
Statis
Permafrost
ONE wild card of your choosing (can be anyone realistic)

• Enemy force:

Yharim himself in his entire armour (current ability)
The Exo mechs (all of them count as 1)
Devourer of Gods in his cosmilite armour
Brigade of Yharim's T5 knights with the whole exoshit
Yharon

• ONE enemy wild card will be revealed soon

Who wins

[balmy glacier]

My disdain towards powerscaling

[split mortar]

then just like, leave

[balmy glacier]

toodles

[tough path]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-close-quit-exit-x-gif-2806605549356401163

NOOO

[scenic olive]

but power trip phase

[tough path]

my pgif perms ENDED

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embed fail

[balmy glacier]

Ip devourer

[tough path]

Return to arguing about my lore question

[scenic olive]

I want to be able to stop Xeroc from xerocing around

[tough path]

Devourer of LAN networks

[balmy glacier]

True

[tough path]

ANSWER noobs

[split mortar]

still putting money on terrarian and scal

[tough path]

Enemy wildcard revealing

So

Dont ask me how

explanation doesnt exist

Yharim made a deal with Sigmaus himself in his infinite aura

[wheat walrus]

i win

[tough path]

The moon lord (dragon war moon lord) appears allied with yharim fucking shit up

he kinda friendly fires

[split mortar]

moon lord prime is wrecking everyone

[tough path]

so everyone but Yharim and Moon lord are left

Moon lord prime + Yharim vs

SCAL
Terrarian
Statis
Braelor
Permafrizzle

[split mortar]

legit it would take both armies attacking prime ml for it to lose if that imo

[wheat walrus]

melon gun (true form) vs xeroc

[split mortar]

is that a 3 pixel big version of the inverted pointing guy emote 😭

[wheat walrus]

yes

the image has a resolution of 5x3

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yeah uh prime moonlord is beating everyone and its own team

imo

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lets say right

in this

yharim isnt stupid

like at all

So yharim joins YOU

with the remenants of the yharmy after Moon lord shitstomped like most of it

so the allies + Yharim + Draedon

versus prime moon lord

whos like

on coke

going crazy

[split mortar]

the guy has healing that scales with the people around it, skin so tough even yharon weapons still have to target the weakpoints

[wheat walrus]

green rathalos>

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the yharmy at that point is probably a hinderance due to the healing

[tough path]

the whole yharmy isnt alive

this is like

the godlayer knights

the really like peak ones

[split mortar]

still the few that are are a hinderance

[tough path]

okay so lets say ML shits on them

they just died

massive lunar beam

fucking eradicates them

its now

SCAL
Terrarian
Yharim
Braelor
Statis
Yharon (yharon is yharims bitch so yk)
perma

vs prime moon lord

[split mortar]

even if its DoG and the above bosses prime ml still has a good chance at winning imo

[split mortar]

imo they lose

[tough path]

Why

whats like

the main cause

just the fact prime ML is like

fucking him

[split mortar]

yeah basically

[tough path]

Keep in mind Yharon is in this fight reviving people when they die (scal terrarian yharim)

[split mortar]

i dont think a baby yharim is gonna be doing shit

-# and yharon can only do it to other auric dragons i think

also ml can bypass yharons rebirth anyways

[tough path]

LOL

when someone told me

''calamity isnt like Star wars. There are no cosmic menaces''

Utter BULLSHIT

Prime moon lord is like darth vader levels of fucking menacery

[split mortar]

moonlord gets cut in half, organs ripped out and skull tore open and locked in the moon for 8 centuries
its first thought? time to fuck shit up again

hell the writers see it reasonable the guy could survive decapitation iirc

[tough path]

so how many dragons did this take

and like how strong were they

[long bloom]

we dunno

[split mortar]

cei writes as if theres about 3K and the average is a eidolon wyrm (post polter miniboss) bt some did stand out like zeratros who was yharim level and got fucking wrecked

[long bloom]

but keep in mind ml killed half the dragons before he was defeated

[split mortar]

moonlord is such a menace even fucking draedon never dared to think about going to the moon till we killed it just due to the chance it could have been full power

[thick slate]

can we have me

i think i could beat prime moonlord

[split mortar]

the terrarian is you

[thick slate]

i would dunk on fovos

[tough path]

ez

ofc

[spare pier]

For posterity I think Wyrms are about as strong as Plantera by virtue of having very little attack variety

[split mortar]

plantera is still quite fucking strong for an average

[spare pier]

Yeah of course

Just

No the Dragons aren't Post Polter by average

That'd be insane

[split mortar]

providence would not be a very strong god if so

id personally imagine golem level is the wyrm level just due to the slime god shift basically putting it at plantera level if it goes through

[tough path]

Id argue that the dragons were probably like

Plaguebringer levels of power

plaguebriunger goliath that is

considering it took the 3000

to kill one moonlord

[split mortar]

they didnt kill moonlord

[tough path]

well

yk what I mean

dismembered and put on the moon

plantera level seems a tad low

considering the fact that one lunar beam could kill

like hundreds

and the remaining dragon (yharon) is fucking

yk

post DoG

so one archdragon or whatever is literally DoG+

considering Moonlord in his prime is like

1000 SCALS < Prime moonlord

[split mortar]

yharon is the second strongest one ever tho do rember that

[tough path]

thats very true

still

I'd argue the dragons were probably like

Plaguebringer goliath levels

maybe empress of light (nighttime)

pretty tough but not like

yk

archmoonlord levels

[split mortar]

yeah golem to pbg level seems the most fitting to me for the average

[tough path]

Well hang on isnt a good point of reference Old Duke?

Isnt Old duke like a dragon (minus draconic soul)

is he not a good like

vision of the average dragon

[young socket]

no

[tough path]

I couldve sworn his whole shit is that hes a dragon minus the draconic soul

[split mortar]

the bestiary says the wyrms are the average
also no old duke survived the hunting of which every dragon but yharon couldnt the guy is cracked

[tough path]

true that

Ig yeah

[young socket]

old duke is literally a case of survivor bias

[tough path]

Golem - PBG seems the best point of call

probably scaled around Nighttime EOL

[split mortar]

not all offshoots are equal, primordial wyrm is nearly as strong as zeratros yet has no auric soul

[tough path]

thats true

what is the lore of the Primordial wyrm anyway

ik its a boss designed only to stop you from getting the

boss rush item

but like what is the lore behind it

[split mortar]

the first eidolon wyrm, blessed by silva and hates anyone but zeratros using primordial light
guards the terminus so it can try and stop xeroc getting the terminus if the guy ever tries (would get like 1 shot)

it hating us using rod of discord is cause the rod of discord uses primordial light

[tough path]

What is the lore of the entire species like Eidolon wyrms. Why do they exist etc

is it like an old duke situation

offshoot of a dragon

[untold oracle]

Lea channel

[split mortar]

they are the strongest offshoots we know of and i forgr the rest
we dunno what dragon theyre born from and their design is out dated

[split mortar]

lea channel when

[untold oracle]

Now.

[tough path]

ah

theyre just some dragon 2.0

but like

dont really know why

just kinda are

[split mortar]

they also are prey to the reaper sharks

[tough path]

Reaper sharks EAT them??

arent the wyrms like fucking

apex predators

I swear the Eidolon wyrms are like THREE TIMES the size of a reaper shark

and like 3x harder

[split mortar]

the reaper sharks do eat them

[split mortar]

sharks aim for the head and crush their skull

[tough path]

ohh

In the primordial wyrms lore

it states that it would have absoloutely 0% chance of actually fighting the guy it wants to

if he came for the terminus

[split mortar]

yeah thats xeroc

[tough path]

and would have attempted to strike down even the wielder of Primordial Light had they returned to reclaim their artifact. And yet, despite its immense power, it never would have stood a chance."

Is this fact or cap

[split mortar]

the bestiary is omniscient and unbiased

also yeah xeroc would like oneshot wyrm (or kill it in seconds easily)

xeroc basically beats everyone effortlessly but prime moonlord

[tough path]

Xeroc is that monk right

who stole the first dragons shit

[split mortar]

yeah first god

god of the sun

[tough path]

ah

Prime moonlord > xeroc then right

like with ease?

or

difficult fight

[split mortar]

nah xeroc kinda wrecks prime ml
rebecca gave the example of luffy g5 vs kaido with kaido being prime moonlord

prime ml lands a good few hits and lasts a while but at the end xeroc is just basically guaranteed win

[tough path]

What makes xeroc so strong

just his shit

[split mortar]

strongest human at the time, perfect ascended on the strongest dragon and has the strongest domain and has been training for 8 centuries

everything is in the guys favour to be a beast

prime moon lord is the only character who has a chance at winning in a fight against xeroc despite how 1 sided the fight is iirc

not even noxus really stands a chance to the unmatched power of the sun

[tough path]

So he was like Yharims daddy (power wise) absorbed the ark dragon perfectly and then has been on a bane level training montage for 800 years

[split mortar]

basically

[tough path]

Whys he so beefed up

whats his pirpose in lore

[split mortar]

he is the guardian of the planet most likely, if they werent there noxus may have ended the world already

[tough path]

and noxus is

thee

distortion guy

like DoG's father or whatever

[split mortar]

yeah and creator of ceaseless

the writers think even draedon cant really ever reach xerocs level of power iirc

[hot valve]

Prime moonlord lasts better against xeroc than Noxus does?

[split mortar]

yes

[hot valve]

Huh, thought it was the other way around

[split mortar]

moon lord beats noxus in a fight and is very much focused on durability and survival over raw destruction

[tough path]

Prime moonlord is like 2nd most powerful being in the history of fucking ever

[split mortar]

yep

literally the case

[hot valve]

I presume that means noxus vs pml goes to moonlord, but maybe it’s just a matchup issue

Ah okay

Thank you Fovos

[tough path]

only under Xeroc

(maybe)

depends on who wins if they 1v1

if ever

prolly not

bc he fkin died

[split mortar]

moonlord cant damage the aerie xeroc could right after ascending

xeroc has the highest potential possible in the verse according to a writer iirc

[golden wren]

draedon

[light linden]

I feel like draedon is at least top 3

[split mortar]

imo its
xeroc
draedon
moonlord

[light linden]

I feel like it's

Xeroc
Draedon
Yharon

[dusk laurel]

why yharon

[light linden]

infinite lives on top of being pretty strong already

it'll basically be a situation similar to Durge from star wars

[split mortar]

the lives reset the guy back to baby no?

[light linden]

the tentacle monster bounty hunter who sided with the separatists

[dusk laurel]

noxus and moon lord have much more potential for growth imo

[light linden]

dude lived for centuries and as such was a literal master at combat

to the point where most jedi couldn't keep up with him and even those that could really struggled

[split mortar]

imo moonlord has more potential then noxus, ml is top 2 in the verse and had that power back 8 centuries ago

while noxus is top 3 with the extra 800 years

[dusk laurel]

see the thing with living for a long time is that noxus and moon lord have also lived for millenia

its not unique to him, and his main goal isnt to get stronger unlike say noxus

[light linden]

random thing

wonder if anti-matter is a thing in calamity

[random mulch]

depends on if atoms are made of protons, neutron and electrons

[light linden]

hell

I wonder if anti-matter has any ties to the distortion

[light linden]

prime question for draedon

[random mulch]

if the distortion was made of antimatter we'd instantly be annihilated when entering

[light linden]

I mean

[random mulch]

(annihilation is the correct term for this cause nothing of you would be left)

[light linden]

yeah it is

[young socket]

how to kill noxus

just walk into him

[light linden]

then again it's also a whole other dimension thing

rules might be different there

akin to how they are in the aerie

wait a minute

just had a thought, is cosmilite the distortion equivalent to lava?

[random mulch]

since it's a liquid metal it might be closer to gallium or mercury?

[dusk laurel]

okay but then how do the bosses from the distortion not get annihilated by being in this world

[split mortar]

considering light can be wacky and magical i would not be surprised if that is also able to be weird

[light linden]

hell if I know

they already break some laws of physics

[dusk laurel]

yeah so i doubt that it is

a dimension that is completely made of antimatter cannot be explored by something made of normal matter

[split mortar]

cosmilite is distortion equivalent to auric

[random mulch]

if the distortion was antimatter then CV would become the strongest nuke ever

matter - antimatter energy conversion is 100% efficient, compared to fission which is at most 1% efficient

[split mortar]

what about fusion

[random mulch]

iirc also closer to 1%

[light linden]

I wonder if draedon has experimented with fusion energy

aside from power can't it be used to make stuff that could theoretically burn away entire atmospheres?

[split mortar]

is that not what draedon deemed not enough and made exo prisms for? or was it a vague "nuclear energy" that could mean fission or fusion?

[golden wren]

daredon

[light linden]

he experimented with fission not fusion

fusion basically involves making something akin to a mini star

or at least the process that goes on in one

creates an absurd amount of heat and power with only the stuff found in water

[random mulch]

there's many types of fusion fuels

some are better that others, some are rarer than others

[light linden]

although

thinking about it know, I wonder if you could use fusion energy to effectively transmute a limited amount of matter

I don't remember the full chain but stars turn hydrogen into a few different elements and then iron

[random mulch]

we've been doing that kinda stuff for a good bit now

[light linden]

I think they make helium, oxygen, carbon, xenon, and iron?

[random mulch]

it's how we make new elements that dont occur naturally

[light linden]

ik about that

those are also extremely unstable iirc

[random mulch]

yes but theoretically you can make any element a heavier one

happens constantly in our atmosphere as well

[light linden]

idr what specific elements those are come to think of it

[random mulch]

anything heavier than uranium

[light linden]

idk what that means

it has been a while since I've looked into chemistry

[random mulch]

anything heavier than uranium doesnt occur naturally here

[light linden]

does heavier mean proton/neutron count?

[random mulch]

proton count

[tough path]

In terms of endurance Yharon is higher than Draedon ONLY BECAUSE (imop) Yharon can revive not just himself buy anyone

Draedon can conciouss swap HIMSELF

(possibly)

Yharon can just

revive anyone

at will

SURE as a baby

but still

over time

he outlasts draedon

draedon needs a new host etc yada yada

[split mortar]

draedon has copies across the globe in possibly dozens or hundreds of bases

[tough path]

This is true

but still

yharon has infinite

unending

rebirth

draedons is flawed

it could be stopped

yharons isnt

(for anyone familiar with starwars)

Is there anyone in the Calamity universe capable of ''glassing over'' a planet like the empire did to mandalore?

[split mortar]

afaik only auric dragons can be rebirthed, this is partly why they were much more special to the normal dragons

[tough path]

Ah I see

So yharon can only rebirth other auric dragons

Doesnt he rebirth Yharim though?

[split mortar]

xeroc is the strongest person in calamity lore and its questionable if he can destroy multiple large mountains in one hit

[split mortar]

nope

[tough path]

ah

[tough path]

hmm

prolly not then

Ill be honest

Being such a star wars nerd

Obviously calamity is never as powerscaled as Star wars

[split mortar]

granted xeroc can also just make the sun have higher sunlight output and make the surface inhospitable

[tough path]

Thats true

I genuinely believe

Darth Vader > Xeroc

In comic book canon at least

Movie vader even possibly

But vader > Xeroc

[split mortar]

and if embers is to be believed, has a lot of control over the suns existence

[tough path]

Thats pretty cool

[split mortar]

the guy vanishes and in an instant the sun does

[tough path]

LOL

I summon PLANETARY FREEZE!

(runs away)

[split mortar]

mandatory linking to embers #lore-discussion message

[tough path]

So xeroc is the

like most powerful being

in calamity mod

ever

[split mortar]

yes

[tough path]

no one scales above him

not even ancient shit

like Xeroc is THE PEAK of calamity he is the n1 never to be beaten by anyone in calamity universe ever

[split mortar]

xeroc grows faster then any one else in calamity

[tough path]

What about the dragon that Xeroc took the soul from

zabadooda

[split mortar]

zeratros rivaled yharim

[split mortar]

including draedon

[tough path]

Ah

So yeah

Star wars powerscaling is just like

too OP for calamity I suppose

Tbf thats the intent of star wars though

Literal just ''hmm this guy can wipe the expanded universe in its entirety out of existence by farting''

[split mortar]

or well more so theres no material in the universe that wont melt on the scale of power xeroc operates on
and xeroc has natural extreme control over the strongest energy source in he universe (primordial light)

[tough path]

yeah

I see

Draedon could theoretically win there just is no known material thats stronger than the primordial light

[split mortar]

so only teleporting ultra nukes are draedons only theoretical hope on hurting xeroc in the future

[tough path]

I really do hope that when we get to the distortion theres like

something more powerful than primordial light

I find the lore of the Great Sand Sharks pretty damn cool

Literal guard dogs

domesticated mfing guard sharks

(who did fucking nothing)

[split mortar]

with embers we can conclude that while primordial light is the strongest power source it might be able to be mixed with things to make a compound type of thing even stronger (blue profaned fire + auric rebirth + primordial light makes a flame that cannot be extinguished)

i forgor if you know what embers is

[tough path]

Some kinda expanded canon?

like star wars comics

[split mortar]

a what if made by cei (a lore writer) on what if providence won

pretty cool read and i cant wait for all the other ones

[tough path]

ohh fire

So

lore question

In like

all obvious yk

its obvious

and in the wiki it does state that

The different exo mechs

Are all named after an ancient greek god. The actual greek gods. Does this imply that they existed?

[split mortar]

we dunno, i imagine its just draedon making better names then skeletron prime so the terrarian doesnt call the exos something like skeletron neo

i doubt the actual greek mythos is canon in any capacity

[tough path]

Granted but him doing that they were

like he knew them

I feel this kinda makes it canon no?

the wiki states theyre named after tham and ''all in game content is canon'' barring crossovers

So surely the fact that the wiki states, in fact that the mechs are named after Greek gods

Leads me to think Draedon AT LEAST heard of them

Which proves that earth exists seperately to Terraria considering yk... ancient greece

like 2400 years ago

[split mortar]

well if there were figures that shared names with the irl greek figures we know yharim killed them for being gods

[tough path]

True but that either shows that

[split mortar]

well yeah the sun orbits the planet

[tough path]

A: Humanity existed on terraria not earth

B: Earth is a seperate place

C: Fabsol had no idea what he was doing and now the lore is all fucked up

[split mortar]

exos were named before the lore rewrite

[tough path]

Fair

oh shit wait

The whole draedon being a concious upload

is that canon or theoty

theory*

like how he came to be

"One of the many recon bodies made by, and created in the image of, the enigmatic engineer, Draedon. The scientist has become increasingly reclusive since leaving the Godseeker's side, devoting every waking moment to his never-ending research."

not sure what previlence his nickname has ngl

[split mortar]

very popular theory that i believe in
draedon woke up with his creator dead and the corpse had many mechanical things inside the guy

[tough path]

Fair

I believe it too

oh shit

lore states the exo mechs flames are hotter than SCALS brimstone

[split mortar]

i thought it was just that apollo equaled her flames

[tough path]

or not hotter just bare minimum equal to

yeah

it states that they at a bare minimum equal it

''rival'' implies competition

so they each kinda

got hotter I suppose

[light linden]

no but he seemingly extended his life

[tough path]

yeah

[light linden]

whether that's a yharon specific thing with his attunement or not

we don't know

[tough path]

AW FUCK!

NO!

my THEORY DIED IN FIRE!

I had such high hopes that

Draedon would play a massive role

in us finding Yharim

but NO

"Now. You wish to reach the Tyrant. I cannot assist you in that."

Guy literally tells you I wont help

fuck :c

[long bloom]

he can't help really

[split mortar]

draedon sucks at magic

[light linden]

yeah uh

[magic epoch]

oh yeah??? then why could he make magic arsenal weapons!!!

[light linden]

to put it simply draedon is similar to mr. fantastic

[long bloom]

checkmate liberals

[light linden]

brilliant when it comes to technology, horrible when it comes to magic

[magic epoch]

checkmate liberals!

[split mortar]

afaik draedon just uses mana as the energy and is just kinda throwing a lot of it at once in a gun and it works cause mana can be condensed a lot without too much issue

[tough path]

Makes sense

hes a scientist with no emotions

[light linden]

hell a good few of his magic weapons are just well

guns

[split mortar]

imagine a draedon thats infected by the astral

[obsidian plume]

What about permafrosts magic is capable of letting him live for so long?

[split mortar]

partially freezes himself so his cells age slower or something

[light linden]

that will be explained soon

one of the devs (I think Cei) is giving him a bunch of dialogue

that will likel-

actually lemme just ask her

[tough path]

He has infinite aura and he is such a sigma that aging doesnt affect him whatsoever. He chooses to age because he looks sigma as an old man /j

[light linden]

@manic coral hey got time for a question about permafrost?

[spice torrent]

he most likely seeked help from the more magically attuned people

[split mortar]

the permafrost concept art is so good

[spice torrent]

most likely Permafrost

[wheat walrus]

p

[split mortar]

p

[manic coral]

he's permafrosty

[light linden]

is that a yes or no?

[split mortar]

thanks

[obsidian plume]

ohh

[tough path]

Please make it so that we can get into a relationship with permafrost

I want to marry him

I want to marry Draedon AND permafrost

[manic coral]

i've said like 5 times before you don't have to ask if you can ask a question so like

[light linden]

will permafrost's ability to age slower be explained in his new dialogue?

[manic coral]

yes

[light linden]

also I pinged you outta nowhere

so I wanted to make sure

[obsidian plume]

thanks 👍

[tough path]

When one asks to ask a question, they inadvertently ask a question to ask a question. This asking of a question to ask a question poses only one question... what was my question?

[split mortar]

i think if random dms are fine then pinging is fine

[tough path]

@manic coral Will the slime god lore be expanded upon whatsoever? Like new paladins or an explanation to why exactly the hallowed paladin kinda devoured it

Probably been answered but I have no idea

[split mortar]

cei would permafrost become warm if in a sauna or would the guy stay cold

[manic coral]

slime god stuff will indeed be expanded

[manic coral]

he magically keeps himself cold

[split mortar]

got it

[manic coral]

so, while he'd have to use MORE magic to keep himself cold

no

[split mortar]

does scal keep herself magically warm

[light linden]

I still wonder how we forge cryonic

does it just require a lower temperature than normal?

[tough path]

We put iron bars in a freezer

duh

[light linden]

or does it require to be super cold to melt?

[split mortar]

can i put cryonic cubes in a glass to get infinite use ice cubes

[light linden]

doesn't make a lot of sense physics wise but it's also a magic metal

[tough path]

considering permafrost invented it im sure it revolves around him

like its not canon yet but we just

like

he forges it

[split mortar]

could yharim EAT a brick and not suffer

[manic coral]

probably

[mighty zenith]

brick eater plausible

this is very important

[light linden]

ngl something I'm curious about

before the exo tech upgrade was yharim's armor just auric and no tech?

then again I wonder how nice auric plays with electronics

not well I'd imagine

[warm gull]

what a calamity

[tall delta]

would you become that strong by beating noxus though

like you said, its the 5 strongest guys on the planet

noxus has an evil version of an auric soul theory

[pliant ruin]

noxic soul tommorow

[split mortar]

doesnt goose headcanon noxus as a evil world soul

[tall delta]

you consume it by doing the entropic ritual the signus will tell you

[gaunt sluice]

Physics does not apply here

We can create energy

[split mortar]

Physics does apply here
We cannot destroy energy

[gaunt sluice]

But we can create it

So physics is different here

[split mortar]

So physics does apply just in a different state

[odd trail]

This was probably answered years ago, but I’m relatively new here and I’m curious about it - what prompted the dragon cult to turn to Cthulhu? Were they looking for something else to worship, or did they need something powerful to help them get their get-back after the auric dragons were hunted to near-extinction?

[pliant ruin]

Chtulhu isn't a thing in calamity lore - Vanilla and Calamity are entirely separate

[split mortar]

1. Cthulhu just means big monster in calamity
2. Dragon cult never changed their worship, they do maintenance on the spell keeping moonlord away.

[pliant ruin]

The dragon cult dosen't worship Moon Lord, they actively keep it sealed

[split mortar]

🐌

[pliant ruin]

Chief

[odd trail]

Oooooohhh, it’s a ward they’re maintaining?

[pliant ruin]

Yeah basically

Anyways melon for every time you say Chtulhu means big monster i will take one year off ebonias lifespan

[split mortar]

Yeah
Killing lunatic cultist could have ended the world because they were the only thing keeping moonlord away

[pliant ruin]

tbf

I doubt it would've ended the world

[split mortar]

Xeroc

[pliant ruin]

There are far more powerful and dangerous things out there

Not evne just Xeroc lol

moon lord when storm weaver pulls up 💔

He's too weakened to be much of a major threat on a global scale

[split mortar]

Ok but no one knew moonlord was weakened
For all everyone knew the guy was back at full power

[pliant ruin]

Yeah but regardless

Moon lord being unsealed wouldn't have possibly ended the world because the guy is way too weakened

[split mortar]

My point is no one knew what strength ml was at
So us freeing it could have released it in its prime

Yes we know with a out of world perspective and hindsight of the fact it isnt that strong it wasnt too risky but in universe like no one knew it was in the state we fight it

Us releasing it was gambling on it being weakened or not and luckily it was weakened

[pliant ruin]

fair enough you just worded it kinda weirdly

[split mortar]

In my defense its 10:30 pm

[split mortar]

Good thing i havent defined it so i can say its however long i want

[odd trail]

Or Nameless Deity if you play with WOTG like I do

[pliant ruin]

her lifespan is now negative 5 years

she will die tommorow

[split mortar]

Idk enough about wotg lore to really say if nameless would intervene or not

Since its just 1 planet

1 that is protected by xeroc

[pliant ruin]

Nameless probably wouldn't really care

[split mortar]

I will make how she ages so convoluted that trying ti properly define her lifespan in that way makes no sense

[odd trail]

God, imagine if the Moon Lord had waited just a little longer and dropped in right as AoE was closing in on the planet.

[pliant ruin]

It only intervenes with Avatar because well

[split mortar]

Moonlord would just be like
Aight more fighting

[pliant ruin]

Avatar's entire thing is that its actively trying to replace Nameless

To have a universe for itself again because he is lonely and sad and etc

[split mortar]

The guys a menace whose first thought is to kill the person who dismantled its pocket armies and freed it

[pliant ruin]

And then he'd get obliterated

:D

[split mortar]

Yeah

AoE and nameless are just on a different level to base cal

[pliant ruin]

How many yharims does it take to beat nameless

its like spongebobs vs goku all over again

[odd trail]

I thought it was just feral and lashing out. Spending billions of years in an empty void with not even an ounce of energy left in the loop would drive anyone way beyond mad.

[pliant ruin]

You could argue its also that yeah

[split mortar]

Well idk how the terrarian fighting aoe works since i havent played but i imagine the terrarian prob gets some kind of buff from base cal

[pliant ruin]

You don't really win per say nameless just saves you

You distract it for long enough for nd to be able to intervene

[odd trail]

My interpretation with the “feral AoE” assumption in mind is that Nameless intervenes because the player character has become such a weird cosmic anomaly that we pique his interest

[pliant ruin]

I mean tbh regardless of the player, Nameless probably wouldn't want another universe god manifestation creature, specially one thats as destructive as Avatar currently is, around

[odd trail]

On the other end of that spectrum, there’s GetFixedBoi AoE, who’s a universe-hopping tourist and just thought Terraria was a cosmic petting zoo

[split mortar]

[tough path]

Would storm weaver go for him tho

[split mortar]

I dont think storm weaver would win due to being dumbass worm animal and would just not hit the weakspots needed to beat ml

[pliant ruin]

Realistically i don't think Storm weaver would go out of its way to go for moon lord but maybe if he just so happened to show up near him he'd be like
mmmm hungry

[tough path]

I still feel weak ML would shit on it

Dumbass worm when moon lord summons phantasmal deathray

[visual kiln]

lore discussion

[long bloom]

fuck you

[visual kiln]

rude

y randomly say that

[wheat walrus]

xzier when ppl dont have patreon 😔

[long bloom]

google joke

[wheat walrus]

i didnt even care that much but if that's your comeback then you should google punchline

[visual kiln]

be funnier next time

🙏

[long bloom]

noted

[wheat walrus]

mahoraga

[faint totem]

Would Yharon eat chicken or would that be cannibalism

[long bloom]

now THIS is lore discussion

[visual kiln]

its a dragon eat dragon world

[faint totem]

What about dragonfolly?

Or Betsy?

[visual kiln]

what if dragons were dinosaurs once and the dinosaur extinction event exploded the world soul n made the auric souls

[long bloom]

betsy doesn't exist 😔

[pliant ruin]

yes it's cannibalism and it's evil and yharon will be persecuted by the masses and sent to hell jail for it

[faint totem]

If the old one’s army was canon in calamity, would the old one be a god or what

[faint totem]

Okay

[long bloom]

goozma

[faint totem]

How

[pliant ruin]

Idk if you want it to be goozma it can be goozma it isnt real

do whatever

[visual kiln]

i headcanon goozma as dragon of gravity unironically

[tall delta]

damn

[wheat walrus]

well it does attract slimes

[faint totem]

Pretty much every god is in canonicity purgatory because most of their lore is outdated

[pliant ruin]

not really

[wheat walrus]

whuh

[pliant ruin]

gods weren't even a major concept in old lore

there were like three

[faint totem]

Oh

I’m dumb okay

[pliant ruin]

or ig four?

xeroc, noxus, providence, astrum deus

that was kind of it

[visual kiln]

and gluttony became slime

[faint totem]

Now we got more than we can use. I think

[long bloom]

slime god

[pliant ruin]

slime god too yeah right

so thats five!

[wheat walrus]

yea what i was thinking is that attraction

gravity

p

[pliant ruin]

i dont rly understand how you could fit goozma with being the dragon of gravity

[wheat walrus]

fuck it we ball

[pliant ruin]

unless you like entirely redesigned and rewrote it

and at taht point like, is it even goozmaanymore

[wheat walrus]

ball

[long bloom]

fuck it we gooz

[wheat walrus]

my musicrot

[faint totem]

If slimes would be gluttony, what would the other 7 deadly sins be

[pliant ruin]

idk

[long bloom]

there's already a wrath dragon

[pliant ruin]

..is there?

[long bloom]

i thought there was

[pliant ruin]

the only wrath dragon i know of is a fanmade one

which

[long bloom]

maybe it was that

[pliant ruin]

yknow i wont even say anything

[visual kiln]

gravity likes to make things into balls -> goozma is ball-ish -> all slimes combined make an auric soul (im using hotog goozma btw) -> slimes like to combine and stuff -> goozma is dragon of gravity 🔥 except god of space doesnt exist

[pliant ruin]

sure ig

[visual kiln]

my entire thought process

weh

[pliant ruin]

i mean thats not really a headcanon though

headcanon is something that could happen in canon but theres no evidence supporting

[wheat walrus]

a game theory

a

uhhh

kingslayer, destroying castles in the sky 🗣️

[split mortar]

Theory
Noxus is edible

[faint totem]

What weapon names do we think the Terrarian(aka the giver of sucky names) came up with?

[wheat walrus]

no

melon dont say that im killing you

[visual kiln]

what is noxus

[wheat walrus]

the castles in the sky

[long bloom]

all of them except arsenal

[young socket]

hellkite

what the fuck is a hellkite

wat does that mean

[pliant ruin]

some guy

[young socket]

also floodtide and greentide?

[pliant ruin]

hes really strong

[split mortar]

Probably most

[pliant ruin]

and hes in the distortion

👍

[faint totem]

What is that

[young socket]

yea sure real original buddy

[visual kiln]

space alien? is it native to terraria at all?

[pliant ruin]

evil probably? probably evil yeah

[faint totem]

Tru

[pliant ruin]

we dont know almost anything about it

its from the distortion

its really strong

[long bloom]

a sword

[faint totem]

Oh

[visual kiln]

meow

[young socket]

volcano upgrade that uses perrenial for some reason

[long bloom]

but is red and yellow

[faint totem]

Oh ya that thing

[long bloom]

and called hellkite

[young socket]

its red n orange not yellow

[long bloom]

yellowish orange

[visual kiln]

noxus is cthulhu and the distortion is r’lyeh

[faint totem]

Why does Volcano get special treatment, do the other night’s edge swords get upgrades?

[long bloom]

nop

[faint totem]

That’s kinda dumb

[long bloom]

they get to wither and die

[long bloom]

actually it is yellow
in what fuckin world is that orange

[foggy fern]

the NETHER…

[visual kiln]

noxus is the nether

[faint totem]

Terraria X Minecraft collab when

[pliant ruin]

i love myl ore chat

[wheat walrus]

close enough

[long bloom]

actually i figured out why

it was added in 1.0

[faint totem]

Ohhh

[young socket]

its literally orange everywhere except for the brightly shaded part

[faint totem]

Ore?

[split mortar]

^

[foggy fern]

Looks orange to me

[split mortar]

you are now ore

[wheat walrus]

lore discussion when the challenge is arguing over literally nothing like it's reddit

[faint totem]

Aw

[foggy fern]

#ore-discussion where we just talk about Perennial and stuff

[faint totem]

Pretty much

[wheat walrus]

js call it gold

ez

[faint totem]

Heresy

[split mortar]

Chat could i eat cryonic

[foggy fern]

Too cold

[split mortar]

Whats the most edible calamity metal

[foggy fern]

Not Auric

[faint totem]

Anything is edible if you try hard enough

[wheat walrus]

no more arguments, you'll be shineless red sparks

[faint totem]

I kinda wanna say perennial

[foggy fern]

My skull leaping from my body when I bite down on auric ore:

[long bloom]

scoria

[faint totem]

Astral ore would most definitely kill you

[long bloom]

trust

[visual kiln]

p

[wheat walrus]

p

[visual kiln]

calamity 2

new lore

[split mortar]

How would aerialite taste

[foggy fern]

Mint

[faint totem]

Uelibloom you might not be able to eat, but you could chew on it, cause it’s basically just old ass tree bark

[foggy fern]

So dark chocolate got it

[split mortar]

Uelibloom is getting the axe

[long bloom]

do you know how hard fossils are

[split mortar]

Im erasing it

[faint totem]

Yes but I don’t care

[faint totem]

Minty, unless it’s disenchanted

[visual kiln]

wut do u ppl like ab calamity lore

[young socket]

lor e

[faint totem]

Calamitas

And Permafrost

[split mortar]

It tickles my autism

[foggy fern]

Yharon is cool 😎

[split mortar]

Dragons are cool snd yharon is a special super magic cool dragon

[visual kiln]

wut specifically does

[faint totem]

Also Yharim talking about anything EXCEPT relevant info

And the Terrarian being shit at names

[long bloom]

hallow? what's that

[split mortar]

Idk its 11:30pm
Wish i could answer

[mighty zenith]

nothing im being held hostage please help

[visual kiln]

p

[tall delta]

i know what he is, but its non public info so i wont tell you

those who know>>>

[split mortar]

I think it would be better to just not hint at the not public info you have in The first place

[split mortar]

Wha

[wheat walrus]

YOU are edible

[cloud ibex]

He’s true

[hybrid barn]

On one hand, I generally agree, but on the other
...I mean, it's kind of funny

[cloud ibex]

No not really

[hybrid barn]

A little bit

[pliant ruin]

It's not even really funny its just kind of a dick move for the most part

There is no punchline here, its just

Haha. I know something and you don't.

[wheat walrus]

ooo i know secret lore ooo

and everyone runs away, fearing the patreon boogeyman

anyways vagueposting pmo

"ooo i pay monthly 20usd to get secret lore" what are you expecting me to do hug you and give you 20 dollars

was gonna say smth worse but best not to

"was gonna say smth worse" are you expecting a hug?

help 💔

newton's 3rd law

[dusk laurel]

🔥

[plucky lichen]

Hey guys what’s your opinion on lore

[long bloom]

h

[magic epoch]

It is written quite well

[queen swallow]

why cant they add lore for deerclops

so I can display it in my trophy room

above the trohpies

[pliant ruin]

They can

But they don't want to

[queen swallow]

trophies

[pliant ruin]

:thumby:

[queen swallow]

grr

they should just make the lore "dunno what this is tbh" and leave it like that

[light linden]

@spare pier can I ask a question?

[spare pier]

Sure

[light linden]

did draedon ever do any work for civilians and not yharim's military?

[prime mauve]

I know what he is too

your m-

[manic coral]

acknowledging it at all would make it canonical

which would suck

[queen swallow]

not having one for every boss sucks more 😭

[manic coral]

hard disagree, i'd rather the story actually be consistent

[queen swallow]

what am i supposed to do with my trophy room now

i was gonna put the lore items in frames above the trophies

[manic coral]

well if you can't put a whisper there

second trophy?

[queen swallow]

..

would look horribly out of place

[long bloom]

put another whisper that's similarly colored

[queen swallow]

maybe this one

once i reach lunatic cultist

[final wasp]

Just a quick question. Inside the game, when you kill providence, she just explodes into pieces like any other boss (as far as im concerned). Shouldn't she become an evil infection just like the crimson or the corruption? It makes sense to me at least. Or maybe it needs more time for the spreading to start idk

[cloud ibex]

It needs more time

In theory though, unless DoG sweeps in to collect her essence while we aren’t looking, she would yes

[long bloom]

also the corruption/crimson/hallow are made of like 2 dozen gods each

[final wasp]

Oh, thanks for the clarification

[scenic olive]

What weapon does Yharim use canonically?

[cloud ibex]

sword

fist

[split mortar]

Our only guess is the yomi hustle mod and thats a sword iirc

[cloud ibex]

maybe even kick if he's feeling adventurous

[real glen]

i missed one: Auric Dash, its a better dash with f5 - f7 immunity, it cost a charge but becomes free with Tyrant's Might active

[rose trout]

that is truly a giant laser of all time

[real glen]

that is yharim's crystal

it becomes that big if he uses it

[north wigeon]

the bee taunt

peak

[split mortar]

Mods kill this being

[wheat walrus]

@cloud ibex unleash ruin

nvm

lol

[split mortar]

Oh you got the teto sisyphus art

[wheat walrus]

green skibidi rathalos destroys the whole

purple sigma lagiacrus reshapes all

[frail hearth]

this is very cool :0

i love when games change the music when a character activates a stance/super move it's so rad

[hasty valley]

Goated theme starts playing near the end

[random mulch]

would recommend listening to the whole thing

favorite yharim theme

[scenic olive]

I was thinking he has some sort of crucible that deploys down from the orbit, and its used to heat up his gargantuan rock sword

[tough path]

Infernum solves this issue with the cool cutscene ngl

Make that normal canon and problem solved

[split mortar]

Solves what issue

[faint totem]

Would Yharim like the notthebees seed?

[split mortar]

No because its what if the bee deity won

[faint totem]

Oh

[split mortar]

-# this is misinformation

[faint totem]

I thought so ya

[light linden]

in the future she should get her own biome

[split mortar]

likely but not confirmed iirc

[long bloom]

very much not confirmed

[faint totem]

THE BEEITIE!

[split mortar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1296276060601585808.webp?size=48&name=soblyn

[long bloom]

epic embed fail

[split mortar]

not to me

[minor moon]

How strong is draedon

Are they planetary

[young socket]

no

[long bloom]

nothing is planetary in cal

[split mortar]

Planetary is a vague level of power and no one is planetary anyways

Trying to define draedons power is a bit wack due to what the guy is, imo beat we can do is define the exos which rival scal so like city level (one shots a city)

[long bloom]

scal can't oneshot a city 💔

[split mortar]

With the actual feats she did (boiling ilmeris) the energy she can output is literally city destroying per second on average
And thats what atleast 1 of the writers aim for when making the high end cal characters

[long bloom]

it took her 4 days to boil ilmeris
in what world is that a oneshot

[minor moon]

Draedon is stronger than everyone else expect xeroc

[long bloom]

okay?

what's your point

[split mortar]

Ima just grab the stuff omni made since he did the calcs

#lore-discussion message heres the general

#lore-discussion message heres the scal vaporising the sea one

[minor moon]

Why are you scaling it to scal when its obviously stronger than her

[gusty jetty]

The Hallow is made up of gods?

[split mortar]

currently the strongest stuff the guy can make is scal level

[split mortar]

Yep

Good ones

[gusty jetty]

Huh, did not know

[split mortar]

Yeah yharim actively doesnt tell you

[gusty jetty]

I knew the world evil is the corpses

[gusty jetty]

Makes sense, he's a bastard

[wheat walrus]

Draedon himself isn't that strong and his strongest creations combined are on par with SCal

[minor moon]

He is constantly upgrading them though

[wheat walrus]

And the Exo Mechs were created to rival Yharim from a time where he was weaker than current (as in, when we'll face him) Yharim

So, yk

[wheat walrus]

Yes but as it stands now, it is what it is :p

[wheat walrus]

Anything more than what is now is just theories, cool but you can easily be questioned, especially when you're powerscaling like here

[spare pier]

I hate the "but he's always evolving though!" argument because SO IS EVERYONE

DRAEDON MADE THE EXOS TO RIVAL YHARIM'S POWER WHEN THEY LAST MET

GUESS WHO GOT STRONGER SINCE THEN?

[wheat walrus]

Lol, lmao

[spare pier]

Fuck is that

[young socket]

scam