lore-discussion

[tough path]

its not a headcanon for my own OC its just

the actual gameplay

of terraria

[lethal mirage]

thats not how genocide workss

[tough path]

you kill many innocent creatures fight bosses who arguably didnt deserve it demolish large portions of the area utilise stolen goods

its gameplay

[lethal mirage]

its not genocide

[tough path]

this isnt like my own experience playing the game

[tough path]

We already discerned that

so shush

[lethal mirage]

no

[tough path]

stop arguing with me I agreed I was wrong like 10 mins ago

[lethal mirage]

what are you even arguing

[tough path]

Its not genocide its just Systematic Eradication for personal gain

[tough path]

That the terrarian isnt a perfectly good person

and that we are the ''good guy'' in the game however we are arguably pretty not so nice

granted Yharim is like

10 bazillion times worde

[lethal mirage]

i mean i think killing zombies is morally good

[tough path]

SOme monsters yes

Some no

[lethal mirage]

its like self defence

[tough path]

still not an excuse in many nations to murder their entire populus in the local area

yes your right

most of its self defence

some kindaa isnt

[lethal mirage]

oh a bat attacked me

i should stop that

[long bloom]

you're both wrong
THE TERRARIAN IS YOU
you decide if your terrarian is a bad person or not

[tough path]

like the lizhards n the temple we just break in and fucking massacre them all and summon their diety and kill him

[lethal mirage]

you dont have to do that

thats optional

[tough path]

fighting golem??

I want what your smoking

[lethal mirage]

mhm

[tough path]

fighting golem is NOT optional

[long bloom]

!wiki eidolon tablet

[pliant island]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Eidolon_Tablet

[tough path]

you cant progress in the game unless you do??

[lethal mirage]

you can

[tough path]

No plagueshit

Eidolon tablet isnt even supposed to be obtained pre golemto my knowledge

[long bloom]

it's post calclone

[young socket]

plague isnt required

[young socket]

it is fully intended to be obtained the way it is

[tough path]

if you care whatsoever about the lore or story

[young socket]

which is post wof or calclone

[long bloom]

okay now you're moving the goalpost

golem is optional

[tough path]

Physically yes from a gameplay progression POV no

in calamity they added the tablet which allows you to skip him GOOD point but thats NOT the intended way to play

[tough path]

you arent supposed to never kill golem

[long bloom]

you can still choose to not fight it
which was the original point

[lethal mirage]

didnt know u decided that

[tough path]

Not my headcanon or some lore dogshit its just base gameplay mechanics

Its actual gameplay intention

[lethal mirage]

ok

[tough path]

you are not supposed to completely skip Golem (you can sure) you can also skip other mandatory bosses

[long bloom]

we aren't talking about intention though

[young socket]

actual gameplay intention is to have most of hardmode up to the player with how they progress

[lethal mirage]

what are you even arguing

[tough path]

you can skip Skeletron

[lethal mirage]

what is your point

[tough path]

by just

fighting him post planterra

but thats yk

[tough path]

That the terrarian is not a perfect person

which you started arguing about not killing lizhards

[eager bluff]

you can skip skeletron by not fighting him ever

[tough path]

by skipping golem

[tough path]

true this

[lethal mirage]

you say "we k-kill the lihzahrds!!" but you dont have to

[tough path]

eidolon tab lets you completely skip skel too

[tough path]

didnt say it like that but ok you do you

[lethal mirage]

also you can fight golem without killing any lihzahrds

[tough path]

I said we butcher the lizhards (at least 90% of the playerbase does)

I doubt anyone barring a select few completely skip golem

its not fun

at all

to do that

[lethal mirage]

it is

[tough path]

its plain boring

[lethal mirage]

progression skips are fun

[young socket]

the lihzahrds also try to fucking kill you

just like the goblins try to

[tough path]

theyre just fuckass boring

[young socket]

just like how the pirates try to

theres no difference

[tough path]

Considering you break into their house

there is

WE invade THEM

not the other way around

[young socket]

they could tell u to leave

[tough path]

to them we are the goblin army

[young socket]

yknow

[long bloom]

savrill
listen

[young socket]

like normal people

[lethal mirage]

they can speak

[young socket]

[tough path]

I dont think they can talk to us like that when we kick their door in and massacre them on sight

[young socket]

they can talk

[long bloom]

this is the original comment

[tough path]

im sure if you broke into someones house they wouldnt politely ask you to leave sir

[long bloom]

read it

[young socket]

witch doctor is literally evidence for them being able to talk

[tough path]

or ma'am or them they

[long bloom]

savrill read it

[tough path]

Still wrong lol

not intended therefor not right

its POSSIBLE

[long bloom]

???????????????????

[tough path]

its also possible to live your life without eating food

[long bloom]

ragebait

[tough path]

that doesnt mean you SHOULD

Hop off of discord if your being ragebaited uninteltionally

[lethal mirage]

crazy strawman

[tough path]

Im discussing the fact that the terrarian is not a good person

that was my original point

[long bloom]

golem IS optional
that's an objective fact
you can't deny it

[young socket]

its intended

[eager bluff]

the terrarian is whoever the fuck you play as

[lethal mirage]

and the terrarian is a lore-less entity that you write yourself

[tough path]

You denied my opinion earlier

so ill do what you did

''nuh uh''

your wrong

becauseee

[long bloom]

bruh

[tough path]

I say so

you did it to me

@pliant ruin saw it

I told you my personal opinion you told me I was wrong

thats not how opinions work

my OPINION is that the terrarian is NOT a good person

[eager bluff]

you dont get to make sweeping statements about the lore of player characters that dont have lore

[tough path]

My OPINION is that skipping golem isnt right

[long bloom]

you said "i feel like this thing happened"
it did not happen
so your feeling is not correct

[lethal mirage]

nothing to do with the terrarian is canon

[tough path]

I didnt say I feel like I said I think that the terrarian isnt a good person

[lethal mirage]

its all up to you

[young socket]

your opinion hinges on an incorrect statement

thats the problem

[tough path]

can you confirm that the terrarian is a perfect ideal person

[tough path]

Golem isnt my opinion

[long bloom]

that's not what i'm talking about

[tough path]

anyway who are you and why are you all here

[lethal mirage]

whats perfect in your eyes lmao

[tough path]

go outside stop arguing about golem

Im discussing the terrarian AS A WHOLE

through the ENTIRE GAME

[eager bluff]

you are also arguing about golem

so shut up

[tough path]

your all hyperfixated on golem

[tough path]

I already told you all to fuck off about golem

[long bloom]

brother YOU brought up golem

[lethal mirage]

cause you brought it up

[young socket]

my face when #lore-discussion message

[tough path]

you continued it

[lethal mirage]

next time use better examples

[pliant ruin]

whjat the hell is happening

[tough path]

I did

you ignored it

[mighty zenith]

calm down chat

[tough path]

carrot

[long bloom]

bad

[mighty zenith]

i will throw bricks

at high velocity

[eager bluff]

@mighty zenith 💥

[tough path]

.

this was my statement

[mighty zenith]

your techniques dont scare me wench

[tough path]

Talk to me about anything other than golem

[long bloom]

you don't have to do that though

[eager bluff]

which is a completely player dependent statement

[robust osprey]

what if I dont kill a single critter and skip aqua scoog

[tough path]

So you dont play the game

okay weirdo

You dont mine

[long bloom]

nope

[tough path]

or kill any creature

[long bloom]

nobody said that

[tough path]

you just did

[long bloom]

you're making things up again

[tough path]

you carrot

[mighty zenith]

you dont have to beat every boss in a playthrough though

[tough path]

.

[mighty zenith]

look at low%

[tough path]

Fuckass donut

[mighty zenith]

a category about beating as little bosses as possible

[lethal mirage]

stop with the namecalling

[tough path]

area utilise stolen goods

fight bosses who arguably didnt deserve it

[mighty zenith]

can you not

[lethal mirage]

gets backlash "you idiot!"

very mature

[robust osprey]

the only one who probably doesnt deserve it is aqua scoog

[eager bluff]

your statement is attempting to blanketly characterize the entirety of the calamity playerbase into one singular homogenous ooze

[tough path]

''you idiot your opinion is wrong''

(calls you a donut)

WAHHHHH NO NAME CALLING! 😦

[robust osprey]

all the other actively try to kill you

[long bloom]

i never called you an idiot

[tough path]

Im pretty sure you summon over half of them

[lethal mirage]

you are arguing for your headcanon

[long bloom]

or any names

[robust osprey]

summoning items arent canon!!!

[lethal mirage]

but its a headcanon

[tough path]

Aqua scoog is minding his own buisness

Old duke is

[lethal mirage]

you save astrum deus by killing them

[tough path]

Hes actively avoiding hunters

right

thats 1

offf

like 30+

[robust osprey]

old duke is an asshole

[tough path]

Austrum deus fair point

[lethal mirage]

i think most bosses are inherently bad

[tough path]

Plaguebringer its like a mercy kill

Aqua scoog is literally just minding his own buisness till we jump it

[mighty zenith]

Because spawn items arent canon, most bosses attack you first

and for those cases it falls under self defense

[tough path]

Some do it for a good purpose

[lethal mirage]

once again you dont have to fight scourge

[long bloom]

guess what

[robust osprey]

you're basically saving OD's children

[long bloom]

aqua scoog is optional

[tough path]

Lunatic cultist is doing a good thing no

keeping moonfuck locked away

[robust osprey]

what he isnt

[mighty zenith]

for some bosses yes, its not very justified

[long bloom]

no he is

[robust osprey]

like yeah bro is keeping ml sealed

[tough path]

Lunatic cultist is keeping the moon lord locked out of terraria

[robust osprey]

but like

[young socket]

doing a good thing doesnt mean ur suddenly a good person...

[tough path]

its a GOOD THING

[mighty zenith]

but by the nature of them not being required for completing the game, you don't have to fight them

[robust osprey]

bro has an entire suffering chamber

[eager bluff]

which is a bad idea, especially when its trying to paste lore onto an overarching concept of a character that only has lore based on what players do

[young socket]

yharim made wof, thats a good thing!!!

[tough path]

Lunatic cultist does nothing at all to you

[stoic gulch]

i really wanna send the image

[tough path]

we run up on him

[stoic gulch]

i must refuse

[lethal mirage]

teraria is you

[mighty zenith]

if you think your terrarian is a bad person thats fine

[tough path]

Kill his entire friendship group

then kill HIM

[mighty zenith]

but that doesnt make them evil by default

[robust osprey]

bro even helped yharim

[tough path]

Tell that to the people saying that MY OPINION is wrong

[robust osprey]

woah I'm a planet

[lethal mirage]

headcanoning yourself as evil is funny

[eager bluff]

if your terrarian is a bad person thats fine but that same statement doesnt apply to every player character

[tough path]

apparently me having this opinion is literally incorrect

[long bloom]

you're presenting your opinion as objective fact

[lethal mirage]

you originally just stated it was true

yea

[tough path]

So shut up, play terraria, make your terrarian good

[lethal mirage]

you didnt say it was your opinion

you said it was a fact

[tough path]

I told you many times

IN MY OPINION

[lethal mirage]

not originally

[tough path]

you cant read because your seeing white (typing walls of text)

sure

I said to you all many times

[long bloom]

??????

[tough path]

this is my opinion btw

[visual kiln]

🐇

[robust osprey]

hi bunny

[visual kiln]

king savrill person

[mighty zenith]

this is a pointless argument

[visual kiln]

what is ur opinion on bunnies

[stoic gulch]

omggg bnnuy

[young socket]

🥹

[mighty zenith]

i'd recommend changing the subject before it gets more out of hand, if I see anyone continuing this I'll be handing out warns

👍

[stoic gulch]

if bnuny so good when is byunn 2 coming

[visual kiln]

🥺

[robust osprey]

okay lets change it

I hate aureus

[visual kiln]

buny

[lethal mirage]

i hate uh

[lethal mirage]

ravager

[mighty zenith]

good topic but not for here

[visual kiln]

@lethal mirage u dont hate buny right

[stoic gulch]

what would every cal boss taste li- gets banned and 💥

[mighty zenith]

banned !

[robust osprey]

[lethal mirage]

i love bunny!!!

[mighty zenith]

jacob what did i just say...

[visual kiln]

YAYYYYYY

I AM A BUNY

[lethal mirage]

yay

[eager bluff]

im a calamity player i cant read

[stoic gulch]

bunny seuqel when?

[robust osprey]

hi

[lethal mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/kinkytwt-bunny-stan-twitter-stan-twitter-memes-gif-25751568

[robust osprey]

I am the sequel

[mighty zenith]

[stoic gulch]

its true you shouldnt fix perfection

[lethal mirage]

aw no embed

[stoic gulch]

why evil

[visual kiln]

kinkytwt?????

[stoic gulch]

theres bunnies in terraria

[lethal mirage]

WHAT

[tough path]

Yes. Mining, getting items, fighting bosses.

Those are in game mechanics

[dusk laurel]

theyre cute and awesome

[lethal mirage]

we arent doing the argument anymoreee

[tough path]

you pinged meeeeee

xxx

[visual kiln]

@tough path HAIIII HELLO

hello you

[stoic gulch]

whats wrong with pings youre still here

[tough path]

HI

Hello

[visual kiln]

important question

[tough path]

I tabbed out you pinged me

[lethal mirage]

do you like bunny

[tough path]

acshually

[visual kiln]

what is ur opinion on bunnies

[mighty zenith]

bnuy

[tough path]

Good source of weapons

Explosive bunny spam for boss killing

[visual kiln]

what

[long bloom]

do not the bnuuy

[stoic gulch]

you pinged me but ok!!

[visual kiln]

wtf

[robust osprey]

what the fuck

[lethal mirage]

do not the bunny

[robust osprey]

thats evil

youre banned...

[visual kiln]

mean and evil

[tough path]

im yharim then sue me

[stoic gulch]

throwing evil bunnies

to someone

idk

[mighty zenith]

sues you for 300000 kromer

[tough path]

I use bunny for bunny banner for decorations

[eager bluff]

ok

[stoic gulch]

SPAMOIHJMWIOJ

SPAM

[light linden]

[eager bluff]

court documents showing up in your mailbox in 7

[visual kiln]

what if ppl strapped bombs to u would u like tha

[tough path]

Haha noob im homeless good luck

[lethal mirage]

mayb

are they fun bombs

[tough path]

if im being used to fight planterra sure

im the higher species

Me > Bunny

[eager bluff]

your mailbox doesnt have to be a set physical location

[visual kiln]

wait rlly

r u ok

[robust osprey]

no youre used to fight aqua scoog

[lethal mirage]

aw that sucks

[tough path]

no I live in a box under a bridge im playing on a steamdeck

[visual kiln]

oh that

:(

[tough path]

good

I hate that worm

green shitass

[lethal mirage]

why are you morally evil

[pliant ruin]

ilove aquatic scourge dont diss him...

[tough path]

youll get nowhere in life being morally right

[thick slate]

blerg

[tough path]

this isnt superman

[pliant ruin]

diss one of the other lame worm bosses like uhhh

[tough path]

DoG

[pliant ruin]

deus

yep

[lethal mirage]

crazy take

[pliant ruin]

and dog too hes also lame

[tough path]

Deus

[stoic gulch]

taylor? in MY lore discussion?

[tough path]

Des Scourge

[cloud ibex]

boring

[robust osprey]

too bad it is going to be used to make grilled meat

[tough path]

is elon musk morally right

no

[cloud ibex]

i will get the feeling of being nice to people

[tough path]

but he rich

[cloud ibex]

[tough path]

okay fake holy roman empire flag man

[lethal mirage]

true

[tough path]

ill have billions

[lethal mirage]

i like being nice to people

[tough path]

gaggaga

1 trillion dolla dolla

vs

''your such a nice young man!''

[robust osprey]

whta if I steal your trillion dollars

[thick slate]

taylo

[tough path]

then ur not morally right

[robust osprey]

idc

[tough path]

good

[lethal mirage]

i think stealing from you is morally good

[tough path]

thats an insult

uncalled for

[lethal mirage]

you kill bnuuy

deserve

[tough path]

yes I do

I eat them

[robust osprey]

thats right

[tough path]

in reality

[cloud ibex]

okay

[tough path]

bunny taste very nice when stewwed down for a few hours

[robust osprey]

killing bunnies makes you worse than yharim

[tough path]

yharim was right all along

I am yharims biggest fan number 1 admirer

[robust osprey]

no

[tough path]

Im literally just teenage brainwashed SCAL

[robust osprey]

thats tax collector

youre 2nd

[tough path]

true

no I kill him

[gaunt sluice]

She alr brainwashed

[tough path]

I keeld him

[mighty zenith]

glory to the yharim administration

[tough path]

Glory to yharim

Glory to the draconics

Glory to yharon restore his powers

[lethal mirage]

why your leader crying alone

[visual kiln]

btw star

[lethal mirage]

sta

[visual kiln]

how r u :3

r u happy

[lethal mirage]

goood!!!

usually

[visual kiln]

YAYYYY

wtf usually

nope

happy alway

[lethal mirage]

yay

[visual kiln]

i hit u with bunny beam ur happy now

[lethal mirage]

YAY

[visual kiln]

:DDDD

[tough path]

Can I use for explosive bunny pls

[lethal mirage]

eats you

[visual kiln]

bunny lore

whats the lore of bunnies

[lethal mirage]

bnuy

bnuuy god

made all of them

they should canonize this

[cloud ibex]

how do you know it isn't already canon

[visual kiln]

woa

bunny god !!!

creator of bunny universe

[lethal mirage]

best god

and yharim wants to kill them

[visual kiln]

we must kill yharim

[stoic gulch]

is any boss drops canon cuz i think i rememberr someone saying they arent

[long bloom]

??

they're canon

the only non canon items are dedicated content or blatant references

[split mortar]

They all follow the same logic of being canon unless reference or dedicated

[young socket]

yea the yharim whispers arent canon

[cloud ibex]

i'd imagine the weapons and such probably don't literally fall out of the bosses' corpses

[long bloom]

they are for now

[split mortar]

Moonlord drops gay cat sword

[cloud ibex]

but in the sense that the terrarian could maybe repurpose their corpses into weapons and such i don't see much of a reason they couldn't in theory be canon

[tough path]

GUYS

[eager bluff]

moon lord IS gay cat sword

[tough path]

freakbob is canon to calamity mod

confirmed real and true

[eager bluff]

no

[tough path]

check general media

[split mortar]

Cant

Deleted it

[tough path]

LOL

[eager bluff]

donor content

non canon

[tough path]

in game

canon

freakbob

confirmed

[eager bluff]

donor. content.

[tough path]

in the big '25

[tough path]

Sat. Ire

[split mortar]

Spamton g spamton is canon guys

[wheat walrus]

canon discussion is so pmo

[tough path]

holy airball r/whoosh

[wheat walrus]

"this is canon", "this isn't canon"

honestly canon is what canon i like at this point

[long bloom]

this lore discussion is pissing me off
i'm the original starwalker

[wheat walrus]

to me the term is so meaningless and brainrot it annoys me at this point

[split mortar]

That being xeroc scales above YOU and loses to old woman so YOU scale below old woman

[wheat walrus]

Yep

YOU also have the Murasama

[light linden]

ok for the unaware

an old lady knocked out a bank robber that had xeroc's insignia tattood on them not far from me

[split mortar]

🔥

[vague jacinth]

how similar are cataclysm and catastrophe's sprite to what they would've looked like when they were alive?

[young socket]

wild

[split mortar]

We dunno but i doubt they were many times larger then yharim

[vague jacinth]

well yeah

[tough path]

scaled up a shit ton but probably pretty similar looks wise

SCALS necromancy is described to be the best in the yk

ever

her ability of necromancy is as close to perfect as it can be or is the best of all the rest

obvs necromancy has its many issues

but im pretty sure LOOKS WISE its similar

theyre just

massive

[split mortar]

cataclysm is just missing their lower half so she prob couldnt retrieve that of her brother

[tough path]

true

prolly a fill-in based on memory or whatvs

[vague jacinth]

guessing she would've gone back for them, I highly doubt she dragged her brother's corpses all the way to where Yharim lived

[warm gull]

Music is against the law

[plucky lichen]

Cataclysm is the moon lord surely that’s why

No lower half

[split mortar]

sorry to break the truth to you but your moonlord

[plucky lichen]

What

Omg

[split mortar]

its true

[robust osprey]

kills you

[bold latch]

someone could explain me why calamitas clone look like an eye?

[faint totem]

Outdated

[split mortar]

outdated design that is remnants of old lore

[bold latch]

oh, ok then

[light linden]

it's based on an outdated bit of lore

[split mortar]

🐌

[light linden]

to my knowledge it's supposed to be a machine she stole from draedon though

[dusk laurel]

norp

its currently undefined until further notice

[tropic oak]

norp. norp i dont tink so

[plucky lichen]

Wow post moonlord endgame unlocked I guess

Here’s some luminite

[pliant ruin]

That's what it was in old lore yeah

As far as we know though Calclone isn't really a machine demon creature anymore

She's just kind of a person

[light linden]

she is but she's supposed to be in the machine

[dusk laurel]

.

[pliant ruin]

In old lore yes

[robust osprey]

yippeee

[visual kiln]

peeb

[long bloom]

qeed

[scenic olive]

Whats the real canon diameter of Ares Exo Mech

[spring helm]

pretty sure the in-game size is canon

[swift ferry]

I think every tile is 2 feet wide in-game so maybe you could measure him by seeing how many tiles wide he is and multiplying it by 2 feet
Not that the lore writers or designers necessarily adhered to this idea but

[untold oracle]

One pixel is 3 inches iirc

So we could just

Count

[hollow cedar]

Were all dragons equally powerful? How strong was Yharon compared to other dragons?

[cloud ibex]

he was the second strongest

to my knowledge there was a pretty big diversity in power between them all

[hollow cedar]

Is Zeratros in first place?

[split mortar]

Yes

[split mortar]

The auric dragons were as varied as the gods

[supple wedge]

rah

Terrarian lore

[hollow cedar]

ty

[split mortar]

Is you

[supple wedge]

rah

[frosty cave]

what does the number 512 mean in calamity lore

[cloud ibex]

nothing

[real silo]

it's a signalis reference

[supple wedge]

How old is Yharim

[mighty zenith]

in his 130s

[supple wedge]

Damn he’s old

[undone elbow]

wait till you find out how old draedon is.

[supple wedge]

Draedon is a robot

He can be old

[undone elbow]

yes, he is a robot.

[undone elbow]

and did you mean can or can't?

[supple wedge]

Can

He is able to be that old without problem

[undone elbow]

ok

just double checking

but if I recall correctly when I read through the lore. draedon was around long before Yharim's conquests against the gods.

[supple wedge]

Yh he was

But he just… disappeared before Yharim recruited him iirc

[undone elbow]

ok. now that I think about it. I wonder how exactly Yharim has been able to live for over a hundred years.

I wouldn't be surprised if its because of his connection with Yharon but I am just curious if there is anything else that had a hand.

[mighty zenith]

yea draedon has existed for like 600 years

permafrost is similarly old

[mighty zenith]

well, the connection to yharon probably helped but he does also have heavily enhanced armor

which probably helps keep his body working

[undone elbow]

It did not occur to me that Yharim's armour would have a hand in him being able to live for so long.

[supple wedge]

Iron Man ahh tech

[real silo]

The real reason is because he's too angry to die

[undone elbow]

and no surprise with permafrost. usually how it goes with magic users.

[real silo]

200% angry

[mighty zenith]

200% MAD

[undone elbow]

I am sorry but since when was Yharim the Doom Guy?

[supple wedge]

I mean

[undone elbow]

We about to find out that we are no match for him?

[real silo]

he is practically the doom slayer but for the gods

[supple wedge]

They do pretty the same thing

Swap demons with gods and bam

Yharim

Swap gods with demons and bam

[mighty zenith]

from his perspective definitely

[supple wedge]

Doom slayer

[undone elbow]

ok now I am curious about something while I am still thinking about characters' ages. How old would Yharon be roughly?

[young socket]

at least two thousand

[supple wedge]

Thousands if not ten thousands of years

[real silo]

Much more than two thousand

[undone elbow]

makes sense. specially since he is the dragon of rebirth.

[real silo]

He is the third oldest auric dragon

So very fucking old

[undone elbow]

we got a lot of old characters in calamity's lore.

[supple wedge]

He’s one of the original STARWALKERS

[undone elbow]

wonder what the old peoples home would look like then.

[real silo]

they die young

[tough path]

hi noobs is me

[tough path]

Very. He is the dragon of rebirth so he has been around since... wayyyyy before the dragon war with the moon lord

Yharons been alive since whenever the dragons were (ish) considering he is the undying rebirth dragon who keeps them all alive and shit

[tough path]

Pretty sure SCAL or permafrost did some weird magic on him + he knows yharon + he knows draedon

[undone elbow]

I don't think permafrost and scal did anyting really if im going ot be honest.

[tough path]

Pretty sure SCAL did something

I remember someone told me

[mighty zenith]

i dont think thats ever mentioned

[undone elbow]

Even so, still doubt scal did anything.

[split mortar]

I dont think scal has the type of magic able to uh
Lengthen age

Plus she joined when yharim was like 110+

[tough path]

Draedon vs SCAL who wins that fight

Draedon can use whatever creations he wants

I.E exo mechs and more powerful creations made of fkin whatever weird ass materials he has

Im talking draedon peak engineering exo mechs fleet vs SCAL at the pinnacle of her ability

[untold oracle]

Draedon creates the very specifically anti-calamitas weapon

[split mortar]

Draedon
Exos rival her and draedon has more then just them (and only takes a few months to make a new set of exos)
Draedon wins due to war of attrition

Draedon vs any character has the issue of them needing to be able to glass the planet quick enough that draedon doesnt just grow to the point they cant kill him
Like only noxus and xeroc may be able to kill draedon rn and in the future like no one will be able to

[real silo]

Draedon sends 13 apollos

[tough path]

Unironically

I feel draedon might be the single most powerful being

in the mopd

mod*

In terms of his potential and his current abilities

hes already made weapons superior to SCAL

hes made shit that easily rivals Yharim

[random mulch]

draedon's 100% not the most powerful but he's near impossible to fully kill

[split mortar]

Equal to scal

Exos and scal are same tier

[tough path]

He is in terms of ability

He can just churn out 400 exo mechs

He HIMSELF is not PHYSICALLY

the strongest

[split mortar]

That would take decades

[tough path]

but in terms of his abilities

[tough path]

Unless he streamlines the production

Which he easily could

well not easily

very difficultly

[split mortar]

Still has to grow thanatos molecule by molecule

[tough path]

Im sure he could figure out a different way

Considering he made them kinda just for fun

and to see yk

If he gets his hands on some

really weird materials

[split mortar]

The guy already uses cosmilite

[tough path]

Considering he made the DoG armour which is supposedly like fucking

yk

the shit

[split mortar]

Its the main thing in the exo mechs plating
An alloy of cosmilite

[tough path]

hes prolly gonna be able to find better resources once they expand the mod and the distortion becomes a whole place and shit

im sure there is even more powerful ores

and etc

that hes just not got a hold of

[random mulch]

auric's seemingly the strongest pure metal in the world and draedon cant use it

[tough path]

In OUR world

maybe in a different place though

Distortion Aerie

however tf hed get there

maybe he asks us to

while were there

bring him some back

like a questline type shit

[random mulch]

what do you mean "distortion aerie"

[tough path]

im sure he'd ask all things considered

[tough path]

Listing the names of places

The distortion

[random mulch]

ah

[tough path]

The Aerie

the two places we know of

Yharims place and DOGs palce

place**

[split mortar]

Draedon cant harm the aerie the place is completely invincible to anyone but xeroc

[tough path]

Im sure that the terrarian will end up GOING there as part of it

[split mortar]

Including moonlord and noxus

[tough path]

Granted he cant HARM it but im sure he can still find a way to

like obtain a resource

from the place

[cloud ibex]

he can't actually

[split mortar]

He cant cut the grass there

[cloud ibex]

he has no idea where the hell the aerie is

[split mortar]

And that yeah

[tough path]

nor do we but we prolly will

considering WE HAVE TO GO THERE

to fight yharim

So theyre clearly planning to reveal where it is

and how to get there

its in the in game lore

Yharim legit states ''Come meet me in the aerie at the base of the mountain by the grave''

[cloud ibex]

i think you'll be able to tell him what's up with it and why he could never find it

[tough path]

So its clear theres at least a plan to expand the lore

into that

[split mortar]

Its not just hidden somewhere draedon looked across the entire planets surface and sky and found nothing

[tough path]

Yes its clearly another dimension or some shit

[random mulch]

wouldn't be surprised if we'll only be able to reach it by yharim letting us in

[tough path]

like the distortion

[tough path]

I have my own headcanon ideas of how we find it tbf

[split mortar]

Also how would draedon shape the aerie materials if he cant even harm a atom

[tough path]

Who knows. Again

as you all say

''CALAMITY MOD IS NOT FINISHED''

it might change

aerie might stop being this untouchable dimension

its only like that now for the basis of ''why cant we get to it?''

[cloud ibex]

that part i doubt will change

[split mortar]

We know why the aerie is invincible
It doesnt have a flow of time
Any force exerted on it is multiplied by 0

[tough path]

Right but what about bringing shit OUT of it

you cant do stuff while you are INSIDE of it

[cloud ibex]

that second one we don't know for certain i think

[split mortar]

The rock and terminus is still invincible

[tough path]

but what about bringing shit back

[split mortar]

Cei literally said yes to yiur theory no?

[cloud ibex]

in my eyes it's the most likely reason but nothing is confirmed to my knowledge

[tough path]

My whole headcanon of how we will find the aerie revolves around Yharon ibr

[split mortar]

Unironically the rock we get from boss rush could beat yharim to death and not get a single scratch

[tough path]

I feel like (if I was lore chief)

Itd be at the end of the Yharon fight (they move it to post SCAL)

When we kill yharon his soul draconic shit warp drives back to the aerie in an egg right?

A portal opens to absorb it back to the aerie. While that portal is open we speak to SCAL and permafrost (who are reunited in our world and town) and ask for help. They do some magical portal shit and kinda ''hold open the door''

SCAL and perma possibly accompany us to spectate this yharon fight (idk why just for fun ig?) and when this big magical gateway that absorbs yharons soul opens SCAL and perma do some weird father daughter magic to keep this gateway open

we go in

baboom

were in the aerie

yharims there

hes confused

we fight

we win

gg well played game over

But that is just my theory and idea of what should happen

probably wont

[cloud ibex]

don't think they plan on moving yharon

i think yharim inviting us in himself seems more likely

[tough path]

Thats the major point ppl make is that the yharon fight isnt gonna be post scal

but a man can dream

[split mortar]

Dog, yharon, scal and exos seem rather solidly staying where they are

[tough path]

It seems the most obvious considering the current canon lore (even if its more boring)

[random mulch]

yharim literally wants you to fight him, which is why he keeps talking to you

[tough path]

Considering in the last lore entry yharim literally tells you ''Come and meet me when your ready''

I know

the whole lore arc is yharim literally begging to fight you

but I still think my idea is cooler

[random mulch]

he wants you to fight him because he wants a successor

[tough path]

Yeah

its all star-warsy

he wants us to like

become him

[cloud ibex]

kinda yeah

[split mortar]

Continue the crusade

[tough path]

vader - emperor style

He wants us to be yharim 2.0

[cloud ibex]

pick up where he left the crusade

[tough path]

I BEG

I BEG OF THE DEVS

let us choose that

have it as a choice

[golden wren]

draedon

[tough path]

like at the end of the fight we can spare him and become his successor or kill him and return

And if we return boss rush happens with like perma scal and draedon all trying to kill us

[split mortar]

Even if you side with yharim you have no reason to spare him (or yknow he suicides)

[tough path]

maybe not draedon

[golden wren]

or kill him and marry draedon

[tough path]

make him my personal footstool

use him as like permafrost 2.0

plan the operation

[split mortar]

Yharim would just not

[cloud ibex]

he would probably just kill himself instead yes

[tough path]

yes im aware

he is a big fat bitch

but still

Let us have a choice to like

maybe make a throne appear

before us

we can sit on it or leave the aerie

[cloud ibex]

this ain't undertale

[tough path]

word it is

this so is undertale

just allow me to become yharim okay

I want to slay the masses of lizhards

just like him

[split mortar]

He just says theyre below him he never like genocided them

[cloud ibex]

did he ever actually do anything to the lihzahrds

i thought he just was racist against them

[tough path]

I will

I will finish his master plan

[untold oracle]

Why?

[tough path]

Ill butcher the lizhards

[tough path]

If we become yharim

[split mortar]

Get prikki here

[cloud ibex]

golem isn't an actual god so he never bothered to kill them

[tough path]

I dont think SCAL will like it

[untold oracle]

Oh i thought you said theyll attack if you kill him lol

[tough path]

Considering THE ENTIRE REASON SCAL FIGHTS US IN GAME is because SHE THINKS we are yharim

[split mortar]

Draedon wouldnt kill us
Perma would leave
Scal would just like kill us while we sleep or something

[tough path]

no no if we choose to like be his replacement

[untold oracle]

I dont think draedon would care though

[tough path]

Perma and SCAL would probably join forces icl

I dont see her abandoning it

and I dont see him like

not doing anything

even if its just he plans it

and scal does it

in game currently does pairing SCAL and permafrost together make yk

100% happiness

[split mortar]

Scal can just drop a bag of asbestos in our house and let us die of lung cancer

[tough path]

he might

probably not

draedon would be like

[cloud ibex]

not currently i think

[tough path]

''Cool.. I wonder what the socio-economical impacts of this development will be!''

[cloud ibex]

whatever npc happiness exists at the moment was made before the rewrite

[split mortar]

Yeah

[cloud ibex]

and back then i don't remember if scal and permafrost ever really interacted

[tough path]

Jokes on her my terrarian is a fucking shrimp with no lungs 👹

I wanna see them add like dynamic NPC relationships

As in like actual NPC dating based on current lore and shit

rather than just the steteotypical goblin tinkerer and mechanic being all ''omg they so hot are they looking''

like pairing them makes cheaper prices and shit

and you see how the NPCs all interact

get into fights

[cloud ibex]

seems a little out of cal's scope i feel

[tough path]

arms dealer fucking shoots the demolitionist

[split mortar]

Yeah

[tough path]

Tax collecter beats the bandit to a pulp with his cane

[random mulch]

man's writing fanfiction by this point

[cloud ibex]

the furthest they're going with npc mechanics i think is scal and perma having their own dialogue trees

[mighty zenith]

tax collector when the bandit pulls out the slick cane

[cloud ibex]

how is he gonna do that the dude is, like, 70 probably

[tough path]

I think hes a bit older

[cloud ibex]

bandit would fold him like a paper airplane

[tough path]

the guy spend 15 years (ish) in hell right

as a damned spirit

[mighty zenith]

the weapon he drops is also unusably bad

[cloud ibex]

there is nothing he could do against them

[tough path]

after azafure collapsed

[mighty zenith]

like that shit isnt doing anything

[tough path]

he definetly learned fucking

demon magic

down there

he summons demon scythes to fucking eviscerate them

[mighty zenith]

does he?

[tough path]

he SHOULD

is my point

[mighty zenith]

should he?

[tough path]

he spent 15 years in hell

with the demons

[mighty zenith]

he was a god damn tortured spirit

[tough path]

yes

He still spent so long down there

[mighty zenith]

i doubt he could learn demon magic while burning in hell

[tough path]

he probably picke dup on it

[tough path]

brimstone magic

Tax collecter sponge theory

SCAL gained her powers in the same way

🧌

[mighty zenith]

no she didnt

[split mortar]

Being a tormented soul probably hinders ones priorities a bit when it comes to learning magic

[mighty zenith]

[tough path]

She just got them one day when brimmy woke up

Or absorbed some of her powers

[mighty zenith]

yea and

tax collector

didnt do that

[tough path]

I will pay Cei 1000 pounds

if she makes it canon

[split mortar]

Tax collector is evidently not attuned or anything with scal

[tough path]

Tax collecter has demon magic

Tax collecter > SCAL

[mighty zenith]

yea hes probably like, a zombie

since he acts like one when in enemy form

he just walks around and smacks you

[tough path]

What NPC is most powerful

barring SCAL npc

ofc

[split mortar]

Perma

[mighty zenith]

permafrost

[tough path]

barring those two then

the magical fuckasses

[mighty zenith]

cyborg maybe

[tough path]

Cyborg lore is funny

or current lore

[split mortar]

Prob wizard or cyborg or bandit (due to post ml shop items)

[tough path]

he got made by a dude who wanted to be better than draedon LOL

cyborgs creator was like draedons menace

[mighty zenith]

i believe bandit basically scavenges those items

would make more sense than them just having those items

[split mortar]

Still has them on hand

[mighty zenith]

like dragon scales

where tf would they get that

aside from yharon's corpse

[tough path]

Shes a thief ofc she does

She just steals shit

[mighty zenith]

they

[tough path]

They?

is bandit not a she

[mighty zenith]

nope

[tough path]

You sure?

[mighty zenith]

bandit is referred to with they/them

[tough path]

Im not trying to be anti woke etc but it seems to me its a woman no

i might just be old fashioned

dont shoot me pls

[split mortar]

Bandit is nonbinary

[tough path]

Why?

[mighty zenith]

why not

[split mortar]

Why not

[tough path]

Is the bandit yk

personally choosing that

[cloud ibex]

they just are

[mighty zenith]

what does it matter

[cloud ibex]

i mean yeah

[mighty zenith]

😭

[tough path]

Im suprised fabdiddy let that fly

[cloud ibex]

nb people generally tend to be nb because they feel more comfortable with they/them than he or she

[cloud ibex]

fab didn't have complete supreme control over everything in the mod

the only aspect he really did was bosses

[mighty zenith]

also his transphobia is like

pretty recent?

its weird

he's a weird person

[cloud ibex]

i doubt he gave a shit whether the bandit was a man or a woman or anything in between

[tough path]

From what ive heard the whole mod centred around his own wants right?

[mighty zenith]

not really

[cloud ibex]

no not really

[tough path]

oh

[mighty zenith]

sometimes he would just, vito stuff he didnt like

[tough path]

yeah

[mighty zenith]

and devs basically were not allowed to touch the boss fights at all

but for the rest he didnt really care

[tough path]

well hes a bitch anyway hes the reason calamity infernum is so dogshit

[mighty zenith]

???

[tough path]

1000 bullet hells

10 worm bosses

[cloud ibex]

like i said, it was mostly bosses and a few mechanics here and there that were 100% on him

[mighty zenith]

he had nothing to do with infernum

[split mortar]

Infernum was made by lucille

[cloud ibex]

what

[tough path]

Hmm I wonder how I should make these fights harder...

MOREEEE BULLET HELLS!

[tough path]

oh?

[cloud ibex]

the whole point of infernum was that fab had nothing to do with it

[tough path]

Fab had no input into infernum whatsoever at all

[mighty zenith]

he has actively expressed his dislike for infernum here

[tough path]

oh damn

[cloud ibex]

that's why it's a separate mod

[tough path]

whyd that happen did they like

revolt

[cloud ibex]

if fab made infernum he would've put it in the actual mod

[mighty zenith]

^

[split mortar]

Infernum started before 22 happened i think?

[tough path]

Fair

Why did it like

occur

[cloud ibex]

lucille wanted to do boss changes without having to go through fab first

[tough path]

ohh

so they just

like said ok fuck you ill make my own shit

is lucille still like a dev HERE?

did fab not get all pissy and fire them about it

[split mortar]

Nah left in the 22 incident iirc

[tough path]

whats the 22 incident

im newgen calamity

I dont know all this old drama

[split mortar]

Many devs left due to fabsol a few years ago

[cloud ibex]

~22 people left back in 2022 because they were sick of fabsol's shit, essentially

[split mortar]

Lucille was one of them

[tough path]

ohh

the 22 incident literally is

in the year 2022

22 staff quit

[cloud ibex]

lucille was one of them

[tough path]

due to fab being a massive douche essentially yeah

so they all just went ok fuck you we quit

[cloud ibex]

the number 22 was already a meme in fargo's circles so the incident became another separate meme

[split mortar]

And some of them went on to make fables
Fab les

[tough path]

LOL

ohh THAT mod

the new one

[mighty zenith]

calamity fables and fabless calamity

[tough path]

with the really sick crabulon fight

[split mortar]

Calamity fables and fabless calamity

[tough path]

So who currently owns the actual mod

calamity mod

[split mortar]

Ozzatron i think

[mighty zenith]

ozzatron

[tough path]

Whys the discord server owner

higher than

the mod owner..?

[split mortar]

Silly

[mighty zenith]

because this is the discord server

[tough path]

yeah but no calamity mod = no discord

[cloud ibex]

cause server staff are more immediately important to the server than the devs

[mighty zenith]

yea

[tough path]

Oh so the mod owner is just