lore-discussion

[tough path]

Signus is the KING

[mighty zenith]

rat bastard

[tough path]

Slime god is the rat bastard

[mighty zenith]

no

[pliant ruin]

Devourer is a rat bastard

Signus just needs you to read the fine print

shrimple as

[mighty zenith]

ok sorry

signus is a faustian rat bastard

[pliant ruin]

garbo is a stabbed 37 times

[mighty zenith]

dodges

[tough path]

No DoG is just a big baby back bitch

Just a grade A pussy

[faint plank]

boyfailure

[long swift]

Did DoG manipulate yharim into becoming a tyrant or was that on his own will

[pliant ruin]

later

yharim was always a horrible person

[long swift]

Oh I thought he wasjust trying to get revenge on the gods or something

[pliant ruin]

He was

[young socket]

he was... by killing every single one, and anyone that even associates with being a follower of them

[pliant ruin]

And because of that he decided to kill every single god (Not just the evil ones that tried to thrown him into the lava, ALL of them. Even the good ones) and also would be willing to kill their followers for it

Everytime you think Yharim is justified remember that Sunken Sea

[young socket]

multiple accounts of mass genocide...

[pliant ruin]

me when i send my child soldier to completely incinerate a entire kingdom, destroying a ecosystem and causing the extinction of several species, besides the fact i'm killing thousands of innocents and civlians that have absolutely nothing to do with this

all because there were 2 gods in there

2 gods canonically loved by their people who were good guys

[umbral cradle]

Well... as close as good guys can get. You know... killing Auric Dragons and all that.

But there is a line that separates taking revenge for the extinction of the dragons and genocide.

[glacial rampart]

only things we know about the nature of auric dragons are what yharim tells us

that being that

they were awesome and the gods are all evil

[umbral cradle]

Which is a stretch to begin with

[glacial rampart]

the same as all gods not being bad, i would presume all the auric dragons were not

virtuous

considering yharim is THE most biased source of info

[umbral cradle]

There are no one else we can talk to

Yharon just comes in like a meteorite

And Providence is too high on her own sauce to talk lore

[robust osprey]

yeah there were evil and fucked up dragons

namely

yharon

[pliant ruin]

There is direct ingame evidence confirming not all dragons were good guys

Flame dragon wasn't a good guy

thumbsup

[supple wedge]

The dragons could’ve been near death

[pliant ruin]

also

[supple wedge]

So the people just put them out of their misery

[pliant ruin]

remember that Nuance is a thing that exists

What if the dragon willingly gave up its soul? What if the person had no choice? What if the Dragon was already near death?

[robust osprey]

thats what could be happened to zeratros

[umbral cradle]

But when a dragon dies, their soul returns to the Aerie... or at least that's how I remember it

[pliant ruin]

Not everyone will know that also

[robust osprey]

not if moonlord kill em

moonlord did some fucked up shit so they dont revive

[umbral cradle]

Do we get evidence of that?

[supple wedge]

When not they fought Fovos not every soul returned to the Aerie

[robust osprey]

moonlord killing like 50% of the dragon population

[pliant ruin]

Yes

One of the whispers

And also yeah the fact moon lord killed them to begin with

If they could just revive why should they care? They'd just come back

[umbral cradle]

But then, why then kill off the rest of the Dragons?

[robust osprey]

power

[pliant ruin]

Not sure if i understand what you mean

[supple wedge]

They saw how Xeroc ascended

[umbral cradle]

My bad, not explaining properly

[robust osprey]

why people killed dragons I think

[supple wedge]

And wanted to do the same

[hot valve]

Hello lorers

[pliant ruin]

Let them answer thumby

[robust osprey]

hello discord user Dire Thunderhead

[pliant ruin]

this chat is really unfriendly to new people alot of the time tbh ive noticed

[supple wedge]

[pliant ruin]

both due to people generally just being rude to people who dont know things theyd have no way of knowing and also people just being kind of bad at explaining things but thats another topic

[hot valve]

Hi cheese how’s it been

[pliant ruin]

it's been good :D

im currently heating up some. pasta

hungr y

[hot valve]

Hell yeah

Will this pasta have…Parmesan perhaps

[mighty zenith]

im about to eat good

[umbral cradle]

My ultimate take, even if the Auric Dragons weren't wholly good, both Gods and Yharin were in the inherent wrong here.

[robust osprey]

gods werent all wrong but yeah pretty much

otinilou was good and loved
on the other hand provi was evil and fucked up

[umbral cradle]

Sure, Moonlord fucked shit up left right and center, no doubts about that, but when people started seeing the Dragons as means of attaining godhood... I am not going to blame Yharon for being fundamentally pissed with humanity.

[supple wedge]

Why Yharim hates gods: racism

[pliant ruin]

unforfunately not..

[hot valve]

Sad

[pliant ruin]

I disagree.

You cannot possibly encapsulate all of the gods as wrong or right

Because again: Nuance exists.

Some Gods absolutely where in the wrong, yes.

But some would've absolutely also been in the right

You cannot blame a group of people as "Right" or "Wrong" purely based on what they are

[hot valve]

There are also gods who got their power from willing dragons who gave it up, right?

[robust osprey]

yeah you and yharim dont know what the ascensions were like

yharim's ass wasnt there to see if xeroc was actually a traitor

[pliant ruin]

While i do not think there are any confirmed in-game cases of this, it is absolutely a possibility and may be how some of the gods got their auric souls yes

And again, not to mention

[umbral cradle]

Do we get some of these?

[pliant ruin]

Much like how not all gods are bad guys

[supple wedge]

There is no such thing as good and evil, it lies in the perspective of the viewer

[pliant ruin]

Not all dragons are good guys

[pliant ruin]

This i also disagree with there is such thing as good and evil tbh

That's not my point

My point is that you can't define something good or evil without considering the context and nuance of the situation, judging purely on superficial preconceptions

[robust osprey]

maybe john wulfrum got the auric soul of metal from the super giga turbo evil metal dragon and john wulfrum is a good guy

[supple wedge]

Can we all just put gods as a whole in a morally gray zone?

[umbral cradle]

You're right. I 100% agree with Providence's idea that life is inherently made of suffering and it should all return to featureless ash... in the 40k universe. but that's a different universe. Lol

[mighty zenith]

okay

[pliant ruin]

Still missing my point

Some gods are good, some gods are morally gray, some gods are bad. Same goes for dragons

You can't judge either group as a whole as 1 thing

[hot valve]

I think the claim that any sentient race in media (that isn’t explicitly said to be pure evil) can be considered inherently evil is wrong, as there will always be cases of good and bad people within them

Hi Garbo!

I think I messed up my sentence hold on

There we go

[pliant ruin]

What we can agree with though is that having fire powers makes you really evil, unless you're aroace
This can be seen through the fact every character in cal lore known to have fire as their primary power is evil except calamitas

Dragon of flame? Evil. Providence? Evil. Brimmy? Evil.

[umbral cradle]

Lol

[split mortar]

Yharon? Evil

[pliant ruin]

see. exactly

[split mortar]

Whens the lea channel btw

[hot valve]

What about the clothier

[pliant ruin]

never...

[supple wedge]

Can we get time travel?

[robust osprey]

signus? evil

[supple wedge]

DoG?

[split mortar]

Noh

[pliant ruin]

Clothier's pretty evil, i kiled skeletron 500 times and didnt get the trophy for a build i wanted to make

[split mortar]

DoG is a evil murderous egotistical bitch

[icy veldt]

Draedon doesn't even have wireless teleportation yet, time travel is a LONG way off - if possible at all

[umbral cradle]

Gonna ask for a momentary subject change, if that's alright with you all. Got a few questions regarding the permanent power ups.

[pliant ruin]

Fine by me

[supple wedge]

Just

Do some magic shit

Idk

[pliant ruin]

Time travel is not possible as far as we know

[robust osprey]

you can maybe do some fucked up thing in the aerie

[umbral cradle]

Magic. We even have weapons that can slow it down.

Anyhow...

[split mortar]

Slowing down is not reversal

[robust osprey]

slow it down so much that it goes into negative numbers

[supple wedge]

I mean maybe it IS possible from some distortion traveling shit

[umbral cradle]

And potentially creating time loops

[icy veldt]

^ Slowing down happens IRL: it's called time dilation. Reversal, on the other hand, doesn't happen IRL

[split mortar]

I doubt it just cause its a mess to write

[umbral cradle]

It doesn't. But, and let me be clear here... Magic.

[pliant ruin]

I think it could probably be possible in-universe at some point but there are no known characters able to do it

Because yeah

it'd be kind of a mess to write around

Lotsa implications and such

[umbral cradle]

Time loops are hard and annoying to write properly

[split mortar]

Counter point
Draedon would be across the past present and future if it was even theoretically possible

[umbral cradle]

My favourite quote from a story I read that encapsulates the fuckyness of that: "So, we meet again for the first time."

[split mortar]

The fact draedon hasnt means either draedon dies some fucking how or its not possivle

[robust osprey]

slime god is enby, we all know enby people can manipulate time

[split mortar]

Slime god is gender fluid

[umbral cradle]

Very fluid like

[robust osprey]

💥

[pliant ruin]

Quite literally

[supple wedge]

Slime god is slime god

[umbral cradle]

Almost like its made of slime!

[supple wedge]

Slime god’s gender is slime god

[robust osprey]

wrong

its just slime

[hot valve]

I figure if there was a dragon/god that could control time they kind of just wouldn’t have lost, unless there were harsh restrictions on what they could do

[pliant ruin]

i wonder if we'll ever get to see some designs for the gods pre-ascencion

[hot valve]

I sure hope so

[pliant ruin]

I remember mango was going to make a pre-ascencion provi design at some point

[split mortar]

Gravity dragon existed but it turned to space god not time god

[pliant ruin]

I hope she has like a big axe and/or hammer

[umbral cradle]

That's be cool

[hot valve]

I have my ideas of what pre ascension Provi looks like in my head

[robust osprey]

kill it and necromance it so it turns into time god

[supple wedge]

Just let Toby Fox write that part

[icy veldt]

I hope she has something like a halberd, but with a hammer instead of an axe part

[split mortar]

❌

[umbral cradle]

So, the thing I wanted to ask originally before we got sidetracked with time dilation and temporal debates.

Permanent power ups...

[hot valve]

What about em

[umbral cradle]

You think they'd result in physiological changes when taken?

[hot valve]

Probably

[robust osprey]

does your terrarian absorb the life crystals or they just eat them

[split mortar]

Blood orange increases the thickness of your blood

[supple wedge]

It’s up to

[hot valve]

I believe some of the descriptions imply it

[pliant ruin]

I think different power ups probably affect the body differently

[supple wedge]

YOU

[hot valve]

Yeah

[supple wedge]

Terrarian lore is up to you

[hot valve]

This one was the main one I rememebered

[umbral cradle]

And that's just the first

[pliant ruin]

I remember an idea that blood orange increase the thickness of your blood yea and that'd make you more resilient

[split mortar]

Blood orange, miracle fruit, elder berry and dragon fruit all have descriptions in why you cant use a second one

[pliant ruin]

oH WAIT YEAH

caps

[split mortar]

Its canon its in game

[pliant ruin]

mb yeah

forgot about that

[umbral cradle]

And also the Revengance power ups

[split mortar]

Miracle fruit will just fucking explode you

[pliant ruin]

If you use any of the permanent health power ups twice, you get a message in the chat stating why you can't use them twice

[robust osprey]

no its not, I deleted calamity so its not ingame anymore

no more calamity

[pliant ruin]

and those messages explain how their effects work

[split mortar]

Elder berry literally ages you i think

Dragon fruit will start auric rejecting you

[umbral cradle]

I am very into transhumanism, so any changes that alter the human condition just picques my interest

Like, a LOT!

[supple wedge]

Just attune

Duh

[split mortar]

With who

[umbral cradle]

Find someone to attune you

[robust osprey]

true...

[supple wedge]

Just

[split mortar]

Yharon wont

[robust osprey]

yharon

[supple wedge]

Rebuilt Yharon’s soul

[split mortar]

And theyre the only auric

[split mortar]

Yharons soul is fine we just get shavings

[umbral cradle]

At that point, you might as well just eat his

[robust osprey]

just go back in time to get another dragon

[split mortar]

We get like 1% the guys soul

[umbral cradle]

LOL

[pliant ruin]

"You have already consumed a Dragonfruit. Any more draconic power and you'd be rejected."

So this is dragonfruit

[split mortar]

🐌

[pliant ruin]

I suppose this means the Dragonfruit gives you a very small amount of draconic power

Which yeah, makes sense

Given you craft it with Yharon soul shards

[umbral cradle]

I wonder putting an endgame Calamity player through the scalpel

[split mortar]

The guy will rebirth like normal

[pliant ruin]

"You have already consumed an Elderberry. Your body would become dust if you ate more than one."

[umbral cradle]

Just to see what kind of physiology he has

[pliant ruin]

This is elderberry

[supple wedge]

Damn, no more romantic partner after two dragon fruits

[split mortar]

The terrarians lore is up to you

[pliant ruin]

I mean this isn't really terrarian lore

[supple wedge]

My Terrarian is a mess

[umbral cradle]

I know... but I overspeculate and my brain goes wild!

[pliant ruin]

This is about the power ups

Actually

"You have already consumed a Miracle Fruit. It would take a miracle to put you back together if you ate another."

I have an idea on what miracle fruit does based off this

[split mortar]

💥

[pliant ruin]

Given that you craft it with with life fruits, living shards and life alloy

I imagine it just massively boosts your body's regenerative capacity

And, if you ate two

Well

[robust osprey]

does that mean you eat life alloy

[split mortar]

Turbo demon cancer

[supple wedge]

Or absorb

[pliant ruin]

The regeneration would go overboard and start making your body do things it really Shouldn't Do

[pliant ruin]

so yeah basically this

[split mortar]

Demon cancer 7

[supple wedge]

Stage 192737291076 demon cancer

[robust osprey]

its a fruit idk if you should absorb a fruit

[pliant ruin]

And, actually

[supple wedge]

You could absorb the powers and eat the fruit afterwards if you’re hungry

[robust osprey]

and eating it is just funnier

[pliant ruin]

I just thought about how elderberry works

The message seems to imply that

If you ate another you'd just age too much and t urn into dust

[hot valve]

I would go based on how the elderberry is being named “elder” and it turns you to dust

But the name is being changed iirc

It’s not going to be called elderberry any more

Or maybe that is the new name?

[pliant ruin]

And the crafting materials you use it to make are basically just providence-releated stuff: Divine geodes, unholy essence, uelibloom (Which will be scrapped but it still reinforces my point)

[robust osprey]

PILES OF ASRIEL'S D- 💥

[pliant ruin]

So my idea is that Elderberry just gives you a small amount of divine immortality

[supple wedge]

A very very small amount

[pliant ruin]

Thus just making you age more slowly and giving you more vitality overall

[supple wedge]

Will there be more permanent life upgrades coming?

[pliant ruin]

Not as far as we know

And i don't see why they'd add anymore

[split mortar]

All oerfectly adds to an extra 100 over vanillas 500

[hot valve]

The elderberry now being called tainted cloudberry is interesting

I’m not sure if the descriptions for them will remain the same

[supple wedge]

It’d be nice if they changed the physical appearance of the Terrarian

[obsidian plume]

Is the bestiary narrator a mystery character we will know in the future or just totally unknown?

[pliant ruin]

Not a character

[mighty zenith]

the narrator

from stanley parable

[pliant ruin]

It's just a omnipresent non-diagetic source of information

[split mortar]

The bestiary is an omniscient unbiased thing

Bruh my internet

[pliant ruin]

Stuff from the bestiary is just objectively correct information on everything

[hot valve]

The bestiary is a non-biased source of information

Which is nice, since yharim is the other big source and he’s a big fat liar

[split mortar]

Note that only the calamity entries are canon rn since they havent rewrote the vanilla entries yet (coming sso)

[obsidian plume]

alright thanks

[hot valve]

And I guess draedon who’s pretty reliable since he has no reason to lie

[pliant ruin]

(Tbf alot of vanilla entries are gonna remain unchanged)

[split mortar]

Still better to not have people think the eoc is from moonlord

[pliant ruin]

fair

[supple wedge]

Eoc?

[wheat walrus]

eye of skibidi

[supple wedge]

Oh

[hot valve]

Eye of Cthulhu

[supple wedge]

Eye of Cthulhu

[mighty zenith]

public execution

[wheat walrus]

come at me

[supple wedge]

I’m dumb

[hot valve]

It’s okay I’ve read eoc and went eater of Cthulhu many times

[supple wedge]

wtf

[wheat walrus]

incredible

[mighty zenith]

empress of clight

[pliant ruin]

eater of chtulhu??? 😭

[wheat walrus]

empress of cthulhu

[glacial rampart]

thats true but he also has ,, certainly a specific perspective on how things are

[hot valve]

Eye of worlds

[hot valve]

This is true

Talking to Draedon feels like reading a scientific article while ‘talking’ to yharim feels like
“Our top priority is maintaining the agenda”

[supple wedge]

Imagine Terrarian saying “Talk.” when they wanna talk with someone

[mighty zenith]

one is a wikipedia page, the other is Alex Jones

[pliant ruin]

dialogue trees and cutscenes and overall more lore implementation

tommorow

[supple wedge]

Hopefully

[split mortar]

sso tomorrow

[mighty zenith]

sunken sea fallacy

[split mortar]

sso late september to october

[supple wedge]

Eggplant embark

[mighty zenith]

kris vibes

[brazen coral]

[brazen coral]

I love talking with Draedon

i like him in general

[split mortar]

Draedon is cool

[queen moon]

Yes

In my opinion hes the unique character (besides us) that could 1v1 yharim

[supple wedge]

I don’t think he could

Full potential SCal would be closer

[split mortar]

Scal has a chance at winning just has disadvantage
But yeah draedon is like a guaranteed win against yharim just due to attrition

[split mortar]

???

And full potential whoever could

[mighty zenith]

wdym by full potential

[queen moon]

Draedon is like batman

[supple wedge]

Somehow getting rid of the side effects for her magic

[split mortar]

Yharim is a while strong guy is still a normal person (in relation to not being modified) who just could work that hard for the power

[split mortar]

Is that like even fucking possible

[supple wedge]

Mayhaps

We don’t know

[queen moon]

He prob has some plans in case he ever has to fight him

[supple wedge]

I mean does Draedon have a reason to fight Yharim? At any point in time?

[queen moon]

Probably not

[supple wedge]

Why prepare for something you wouldn’t have a reason for to do?

[split mortar]

Read embers from cei to see what providence is capable of if close to full potential

[split mortar]

No
Draedon made the exos for shits and giggles

[queen moon]

Yharim is a genocidal guy

[split mortar]

Pluh

[supple wedge]

As long as Yharim doesn’t interfere with Dreadon’s research Draedon wouldn’t have a reason to argue with him

[split mortar]

👍

[queen moon]

But hes smart

[mighty zenith]

(also because its really cool

[split mortar]

And draedon cares not for morality

[queen moon]

And smart people always prepare for the worse

[split mortar]

Ok and yharim just cant kill draedon anyways

[wheat walrus]

Send

[split mortar]

Yharim can not fist fight the internet and kill it

[split mortar]

Its what i said pluh to

[wheat walrus]

Zanks

[supple wedge]

Draedon only really does things he has a reason for

Reason behind Exo Mechs? Improve the design of the mechs

[queen moon]

Yeah

[split mortar]

Wait omni have you genuinely not read embers before

[supple wedge]

I can’t be bothered to read all of that right now

[split mortar]

Its a what if on if providence won

[supple wedge]

Ah

[split mortar]

And providence kills yharim in seconds with the eternal flame

[supple wedge]

Well

[wheat walrus]

Nop

[split mortar]

Because well as soon as you are on fire it wont extinguish and holy fire is a decently strong debuff
-# i forgor if its seconds or not but its before yharim whoops her ass cause physically she is just blue flame in stats

[dusk laurel]

thinking about turning melon gun into a soup

[split mortar]

Why

[supple wedge]

Damn, Yharim didn’t have Asgardian Aegis equipped

[wheat walrus]

Same fr

[split mortar]

It drops from providence so yeah he didnt

[supple wedge]

Should’ve just time traveled smh my head

[tough path]

Im going to marry Yharim and take over the universe when they add choice gameplay 🧌

[split mortar]

Cant tell if this is random violence or people showing their annoyance

[tough path]

I think it was more like ''I wonder how crazy I can make some mega war robot''

The whole ''improving the mechs'' was the plague thing he did

[mighty zenith]

hungr

[pliant ruin]

hi everyone its me calamitas

[tough path]

Where he observed the human souls made the mechs too unpredictable

So he wanted to control life without using souls

[mighty zenith]

woah is that calamitas from limbus company

[tough path]

With the plague

but like

it didnt work

[pliant ruin]

i mean

[tough path]

and he made covid 19

[pliant ruin]

not wrong

[wheat walrus]

Melon soup

[supple wedge]

I KNEW IT

[tough path]

Draedon is the reason behind the Coronavirus real and confirmed

[mighty zenith]

i might buy ruina and lobcorp soon

the rot

[split mortar]

Cheese activated

[tough path]

@pliant ruin my smartest lore nerd

I have a pressing question

So the crimson and corruption co-exists

fair enough

The preforators // Hive mind are a collection of dead gods

trying to become alive again right

[pliant ruin]

TRUE. DO I

[tough path]

Do they co-exist?

[pliant ruin]

P much yea

Mhm

Both of them exist in canon

[tough path]

Like do the Preforators and Hive mind kinds

both exist at the same time

orrr

is it one then the otherr

like when we kill one the other one canonically becomes a thing

[pliant ruin]

Much like how if u dont have the corruption in your world that just means its somewhere else, the same goes for hive mind/perfs

[supple wedge]

Is there any lore implications that the Ark line exists or are they just “random weapons”?

[tough path]

or are they both like roaming terraria we just interact with one (or both with artificial biome)

[tough path]

But isnt it a specific group of dead gods

Or is it kinda just

any of them

[pliant ruin]

They're separate group of dead gods

[tough path]

who want to join in on the action

Ah

[pliant ruin]

While this stuff isnt ingame yet and thus may change

[tough path]

Do we know any of the specific gods who make up the two?

[pliant ruin]

There have been discussions that

[tough path]

Fair

I feel like it doesnt make sense for them to CO-EXIST seeing as there cant really be like that many gods who are dead in hive mind form

[split mortar]

Crimson is violent gods
Corruption is like corrupt politician sort of stuff

I think?

[tough path]

And in game there are unlimited preforators

and hive minds

[pliant ruin]

Perforators's main god is the God of War and Hive Mind has the God of Dogma
Perforators is more about violence, brutality and body horrors
Hive Mind is about manipulation, illusions and psychological horror

[split mortar]

Boss refights aint canon

[tough path]

ah

[tough path]

they should like

make that a thing

unreplayable bossfights

[supple wedge]

Please answer if possible

[pliant ruin]

A few of them technically can be canon

Like queen bee

[tough path]

like you cant redo moonlord // preforators // providence

Yeah

[pliant ruin]

or dragonfolly

[tough path]

some bosses are many

Theres multiple Queen bees as per draedons lore

[pliant ruin]

Not as far as we know theyre just kinda there

[tough path]

and crabulons I think

[queen moon]

Yup

[pliant ruin]

Any boss that is a entire species really can technically be refought, and also supreme calamitas

because well

[tough path]

Yeah

well shes like

just her

[pliant ruin]

You kinda just go up to her and ask for a rematch and shes like oh ok

[tough path]

Yharon too bc he can technically respawn

[queen moon]

As well as the scourges

[tough path]

just

takes a while

[queen moon]

No

He dies

The dragon die too

[pliant ruin]

Yharon could theoretically be refought but not within the game's canonical timeline

[tough path]

yeah no yharon doesnt die

yharon is still alive

[pliant ruin]

Since he takes like, around 10 years to rebirth or so

[tough path]

His soul goes to the dragon place

in an egg

and he rebirths

in 10 ish years

so in game we COULD refight him it woukd

just take 10 years

or if there ssome fuckass ritual to do it early (probably not)

[queen moon]

I say after you kill yharim

They are linked arent they?

[tough path]

Yharim and Yharon have a soul bond ish

I think in like a weird bond friendship way

[split mortar]

We wont ascend because that entails characterising the terrarian

[tough path]

I dont think its like when one DIES the other DIES

[supple wedge]

My headcanon is that there can only be one Ark of the Cosmos at a time and that it chooses its owner

[tough path]

ts not the excalibur

[queen moon]

The power of friendship

[tough path]

Ark of the Cosmos turns out to be a dark god weapon

Moon lords old shit that we ransack

[tough path]

We dont even know the

Whole ritual

to absorb a soul

and nobody will tell us

Yharim would rather kill himself

and yharon is... not gonna reveal that

And slime god cant speak

[queen moon]

I think when you kill one and then kill the other right after they dont come back

[tough path]

and is dead

[dusk laurel]

the former

[tough path]

Yharon will still

Its his whole soul ability

Similar to silva being unkillable

[pliant ruin]

Yeah Yharon's revival isn't because he's attuned to Yharim

[tough path]

Yharon just rebirths

[queen moon]

This guy pmo🥀💔

[pliant ruin]

He just does that

[tough path]

Yharon just rebirths

bc like

[pliant ruin]

Only real way to kill Yharon is absorbing his soul

[tough path]

thats his ability

[split mortar]

Ok good

[tough path]

Yharim doesnt do shit abt that

[queen moon]

Hes a Fenix

[tough path]

pheonix

and thats just like

[queen moon]

Sorry

[tough path]

a title

like cthulu

[queen moon]

Typo

[tough path]

A pheonix is like

[dusk laurel]

nope

[tough path]

a creature

its more of a descriptive word

than a specific thing

like we call him ''cthulu'' when his name is like vertox or some shit

the moon lord

has an actual name

[dusk laurel]

aquatic scourge is a unique individual of a species and the desert scourge is a maybe

[tough path]

we just refer to him as ''cthulu'' bc its like a thing

[split mortar]

Moonlord and fovos are both equally invalid ways to mention the guy

[tough path]

Isnt the desert scourge just a sundried Aquatic scourge

[dusk laurel]

No.

[split mortar]

Not even part of the same genus iirc

[tough path]

Oh word

I remember (might be old lore) that it says smt about SCAL doing it

or the azafure fumes

something to do with that

made the Des scourge

but prolly not anymore

[dusk laurel]

crabulon is unique aswell

[split mortar]

Scal vaporised one of its two environments now it just has the on land environment

[dusk laurel]

the actual species is much smaller and, also doesnt live in the mushroom fields

[warm gull]

Aureus is mechanical crabulon

[dusk laurel]

hello StinkyChungus25

[tough path]

Ahg

yeah the

sunken sea right

when she did the whole 4 day scourge of the city

[warm gull]

Goodbye StinkyChungus25

[tough path]

Was that Des scourges old home?

[split mortar]

Yeah it used to cover almost all the underground desert

[tough path]

Yeah

What is the lore tie of the Goblin army to Calamity? Are they completely ignored like some aspects of vanilla lore?

[supple wedge]

It’s my headcanon >:(

[split mortar]

Desert scourge would move in water and on land so it wasnt a crazy transition to just land living

[split mortar]

Its gonna be explained more in sso

[mighty zenith]

yea goblins have some planned lore

[tough path]

ah

so theyre BEING expanded

just rn theyre

kinda there

[split mortar]

Yeah

[tough path]

Probs from some civilisation that fought off yharim maybe

the dark mages get a power buff and BOOM

Rival yharims shit

[split mortar]

The average yharim soldier had post 1 mech gear

[thick slate]

the goblin army does NOT stand a chance

[tough path]

thats why I say make a Garmy thats like mega powered up

or have this be the remenants

of an ancient strong asf civilisation

[thick slate]

me (goblin ranger) looking up to see the skyscraper tall mech

[tough path]

Me (dark mage) pulling apart the molecular structure of a fuckass azafurian in some shitass titanium armour

[mighty zenith]

me (goblin thief) watching in horror as a yellow man falls from the sky

https://tenor.com/view/worried-scared-oh-no-stop-it-fearful-gif-12534009

[tough path]

Goblin warrior (me) looking up as a fuckass dragon spelches all over my friends

[thick slate]

goblin army would have to be so massively buffed to stand a chance

[tough path]

Idk just have there be like some mega dark mage

[thick slate]

like sure if they focused their efforts they could take down a few of the foot soldiers

[split mortar]

Arsenal t1 was self defence for scientists (post evil2)
Arsenal t2 is basic soldier (post 1 mech)
Arsenal t3 was higher tier warriors (post pbg)
Arsenal t4 was godseeker knights (post providence)
Then t5 was explicitly personally ised by draedon only basically iirc (post dog)

I think thats the case for all tiers?

[tough path]

Yharim had soldiers beefier than the moon lord as we face him in game?

yo chat ts op

[thick slate]

moonlord weak ahh

[jolly edge]

hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby

[tough path]

Only bc hes missing half of his organs

[thick slate]

yea

fovos my beloved

[tough path]

and is like 1000000 years old

and got fucked by some undying dragons

[thick slate]

can we give fovos healing potion

[tough path]

(he solod like 3/4 of their race)

[split mortar]

And a split open skull and been on the moon for 8 centuries

[thick slate]

he need to talk to the nurse

[tough path]

Just let Fovos interact with the nurse

LOL

''16 gold'' aah reconstruction

[thick slate]

moonlord definitely broke

[tough path]

nah

[split mortar]

3747 platinum

[thick slate]

i know his ass asking his friends for money

[tough path]

all those dragon kills

yharon drops like 2 plat

[warm gull]

Its ok to capture goblin peons alive and pluck their digits one by one because they break down doors

[jolly edge]

luminite sells for alot

[tough path]

thats what 2 plat per kill

he has at least like 100 plat

[tough path]

No the only bum doing that is DoG 100%

[thick slate]

thats like saying

[split mortar]

Cei writes as if there was 3K dragons

[thick slate]

"kidneys sell for a lot"

[tough path]

Broke shitass pathological liar

''Yo yharim I need money again''

[jolly edge]

true but then he uses the money from selling his fucking bopne marrow or smth to heal with the nurse

[warm gull]

Dog has a lot of cosmolite that may mean he's rich

[tough path]

Infinte cash hack

[tough path]

Nah his bum ass doesnt Draedon used it all to make his shitass armour

The cosmilite (in my opinion) we gain from his is the scraps of the armour he wears

which draedon MADE with cosmilite (i think)

[split mortar]

Ye

[tough path]

yeah

The cosmilite bars we get from DoG is just us shredding down his armour

his helmet and shit

[supple wedge]

Is there a channel where I can put my idea for a Calamity OC?

[split mortar]

Generally fanfic is also put here

[mighty zenith]

yea i think here works

[supple wedge]

Ok

Gotta wait for discord to start on my pc

Cause I’m not gonna type that shit on mobile

[split mortar]

Mobile is aids to write

[supple wedge]

Ye

[jolly edge]

agreed

[dusk laurel]

for now yes

until the distortion comes out and instead youll find cosmilite there rather than taking chunks out if the armor

[tough path]

The only other way(s) to get them would be yeah

Going into the distortion

or asking Draedon bc he has a whole ass supply

due to Yharim and Dog giving him so much to work with for DoGs armour and Yharmy shit

he probs kept a bunch

To draestudy

[split mortar]

Btw cosmilite is naturally a liquid
-# unless they cant get it to work

[tough path]

pick it up in buckets (like the shimmer) put it in a draedon forge with some other bars to make a cosmilite alloy

this does require balancing shit and having different ways to obtain a draedon forge

[jolly edge]

i hope that does work bcs that sounds awesome

[split mortar]

Drink the cosmilite

[jolly edge]

cosmilite poisoning speedrun

[dusk laurel]

cosmilite refinery station...

[tough path]

Make me lore chief already 🤑

[tough path]

unneccessary

its pretty obvious Draedon wouldve used yk

his draedon forge

because...

he made it

[dusk laurel]

so about that

[tough path]

and he was extremely efficient

and he is the typa guy to use magic storage with every single crafting station in one

[dusk laurel]

his forge was created long after he found cosmilite

[supple wedge]

so, my OC:
name: unknow, usually refered to as "The Knight" or "The Golden Knight"
species: Terrarian, but not the Terrarian we play as
pronouns: preferably they/them, but they don't mind other pronouns as long as they get respected
relationship with Yharim: former apprentice before Yharim went on a god-killing spree
weapon of choice: "anything that gets the job done"
powerlevel: basically tied with SCal, a bit stronger
other facts: they can't comprehend how the concept of Auric Metal works

[tough path]

Granted yeah but still

rework the lore

to make it work better

for gameplay

[supple wedge]

this sounded so much better in my head-

[tall delta]

scal stopping attacking us because we arent as bad as yharim:

[tough path]

My Terrarian OC:

A massive shrimp in a human skinsuit.

The end

[dusk laurel]

kettle you do realize that they can just

change how calamitas ends the fight

instead of it staying as is

[tall delta]

add a killing option true

[tough path]

I doubt the terrarian would KILL scal

well

its up to the player

but for gameplay purposes

we lose the whole attunements shit

[tall delta]

Isnt that the most recent plan for it though

[dusk laurel]

i have no idea if anything has been said about it

[tough path]

it makes 0 sense gameplay wise to kill her off

That completely removes the entire attunements thing

[split mortar]

She can also just like
Leave

[tough path]

yeah

shes powerful enough to just

fucking

warpdrive away

She FIGHTS US because she chooses to bc she thinks where yharim 2.0

then realises we arent

[split mortar]

She has no reason to actually put her life on the line

[tough path]

and goes

okay lets be friends

[tough path]

^^

Us killing her isnt even feaseable

shed just leave

like slime gods in the slime god fight

[split mortar]

Just attack us when asleep or something if we are too much and are yharim 2

[tough path]

^

shed jump us

Luke skywalker kylo ren style

just randomly jump us

[tall delta]

but what If my terrarian is really fast

[tough path]

if we kill her it removes a shit ton of lore and gameplay mechanics

we wouldnt be able to do ANY of the shit revolving around the weapon enchanting

AND probably shes gonna be the only way to get to yharim

her or Draedon or ig Signus?

[split mortar]

Teleports

[dusk laurel]

you have to defeat both the exos and scal to unlock the aerie

[tough path]

Ceaseless and DOG does to the Distortion not the dragon place

[split mortar]

None of the people you mentioned can get to yharim!

[tough path]

idkkk draedon possibly could by like.. talking to the guy

ALSO in the lore doesnt yharim WANT US to come fight him?

[split mortar]

Yeah

[tough path]

He literally tells us to meet him IN THE AERIE at the bottom of the mountain at the grave

[split mortar]

Draedon has tried and failed to access the aerie

[hot valve]

Yharim wants nothing to do with Draedon anymore

[tough path]

ah

Well its prolly more of a Yharim just opens a portal or some shit

to invite us in

[fierce pagoda]

its like having the keys to your house, you can leave the house to meet people outside, but no one can come in to see you

[pliant ruin]

There's definitely a way to get to the Aerie given that we know the Evil Gods that wanted to crown Yharim got the Yharon egg from there, we just don't know how atm

it'll def be revealed as the mod gets updated and more of the story and stuff gets in

[tough path]

I feel like maybe the yharon fight will be a way in or something to do with it

like a portal opens and sucks in the soul but we like keep it open somehow (this would mean they need to move the yharon fight to post SCAL maybe)

like with her help we magic it back open

or stop it from closing

for a small time ofc bc

SCAL gets fkin exhausted

Her and permafrost do some magical dad-daughter bonding spell

To keep this weird portal open we go in and boom yharims stood there like yo wsp

its me

[supple wedge]

anyway what do you people think?

[golden wren]

draedon emmm lore

[tough path]

Smart ass mfing robot

his origin is really vague

he woke up on a table opposite a dead body of the dude who '''made him''

(probably himself)

leading theory is a body swap

he is massively old

like in the 600s or whatvr

Older than yharim

remembers the dragon shit most likely

hes obvs the smartest inventor in the tri state area

Hes like dr doofinshmertz but all the shit he makes is immensely powerful

He made the plague because the mechs were too hard to control and he wanted to see if he could control alive people

[golden wren]

is the exo mechs really that strong?

[tough path]

Yharim asked him to make loads of shit

[tough path]

The Exo mechs are equal or just under SCAL

[long bloom]

equal

[golden wren]

wow

[tough path]

They were made to be identically and more powerful than Yharim himself

(before he left)

so he made the Exo mechs to 1v1 Yharim and win

(which they wouldnt NOW but would of before he went to aerie to train)

[long bloom]

no
they were made to be as powerful as yharim

before he fucked off

[tough path]

What I just said but oj

ok

we move

yes I did just say that

He made them equal to him PRIOR to him

going on his training arc

which now

hes stronger

but before he left

[golden wren]

i love draedon

[long bloom]

you said he made them to be able to beat yharim
that is false
moving on

[tough path]

Exo mechs = Yharim (a few years ago)

Exo Mechs < Yharim (now hes been training)

Exo mechs = SCAL (maybe <)

[golden wren]

i hope he's gonna get another lore

[long bloom]

what's another lore mean

[tough path]

Draedons storyline I dont think will get expanded a lot now theyre doing like

[tough path]

Like expanded

More to it

more of him

in the game etc

[pliant ruin]

Draedon already has by far the most ingame story on him atm

[tough path]

He originally.. did make them to fight yharim no?

He didnt make them for yharim he made them TO FIGHT yharim

after yharim left

[long bloom]

don't think so

[tough path]

also to test the extent of his creations I guess

[golden wren]

oh...

[tough path]

im pretty sure he made the mechs to fight yharim as he wanted to see just how strong he could make his shit

[pliant ruin]

Not to say he won't get more minor stuff here and there but he's the one character who dosen't really need anymore major plot relevance

[tough path]

he made them a bit after yharim left (i think)

[limpid saddle]

???

[pliant ruin]

I don't think he explicitly made them to fight yharim but they were made with the idea of being as strong as yharim in mind

[tough path]

yeah draedons whole lore arc seems to be pretty much over

[limpid saddle]

Yeah he discovered Exotic Resonance after parting ways with Yharim

But the Exo Mechs were never developed to kill him

[tough path]

I feel like he would've intended them to fight him due to the fact he kinda wants yharim dead (to see the social impacts or whatever)

[pliant ruin]

Like it less so "he made them to fight yhrrim" and more so "he made them to reach the same strenght as yharim"

[long bloom]

that is false

[limpid saddle]

Yeah it's a completely different goal

[tough path]

''I feel like''

you cant invalidate my feelings

I didnt say it as fact I said I feel like he did

[long bloom]

i can if they're wrong

[tough path]

thats my own perogative

[pliant ruin]

ppl will really see someone say a opinion and say "your opinion is wrong"

[limpid saddle]

Unless commanded to Draedon has never made a machine specifically to kill someone else

[pliant ruin]

actually no not ppl just this guy

xzier stop ragebaiting

[tough path]

no you cant

you cant say someones opinion is wrong LOL

[golden wren]

is he previously a human?

[pliant ruin]

Maybe?

[long bloom]

possibly

[tough path]

Probably

Wouldve self digitised

[pliant ruin]

His origin is explicitly left ambiguous but theres a possibility that he used to be a person

[tough path]

The weird researcher corpse

prolly his old human form

#draedonconciousnessupload theory

[radiant forge]

the way he talks about it tho

just “some dead organic”

[long bloom]

he lost all his memories

[tough path]

^^

[long bloom]

if it was a transfer

[golden wren]

can he marry a person? asking for a friend

[tough path]

when he got put into the robo outfit he lost his old shit

[tough path]

He has no emotions whatsoever

so legally yes

but

hes not capable of ''feelings''

[long bloom]

yeah he was married to yharim /j

[tough path]

like love etc

[tough path]

Until they got a divorce because yharim cheated with Yharon /j

[golden wren]

i can teach him

[radiant forge]

not until i call it “skeleton prime” again

[long bloom]

lmao

[tough path]

Yharim is only killable by the power of gay marriage

as proven by Braelor

[pliant ruin]

yknow its funny that like

braelor is older than almost all of the cast

even draedon

[tough path]

Signus had to lock away the pure gay aura in the Distortion

because it was too powerful

[pliant ruin]

and not in the like literal in-universe age sense

in the sense that braelor used to be a character for the mod before basically everyone else

[tough path]

Braelor has an entire cult following

[mighty zenith]

which makes his lack of existence in older lore really funny

[long bloom]

counterpoint: draedon bars in 1.0

[mighty zenith]

at that point it was literally just a word

that sounded vaguely cool

not a character afaik

[tough path]

Counterpoint: Word just made bc they didnt have fuckall else to call it and ''Draedon'' sounds awesome

Draedon as a CHARACTER wasnt a concept for a bit

Moreso just like

[long bloom]

we must ask fab about this (no)

[tough path]

a

thing ish

[tough path]

Dming fab (god save me)

[pliant ruin]

braelor, calamitas, yharim and statis were 4 of the first characters ever made for the mod which is kind of crazy

[tough path]

LORE NERD ONYX what the fuck is the whole statis lore

I dont get it

[long bloom]

and dog

[tough path]

it has all the accessories and shit who tf is statis

[pliant ruin]

ok so you know about braelor?

[tough path]

yeah

[long bloom]

they're married

[tough path]

the gay couple who fucked yharims shit up till DOG jumped his ass

oh is statis the one who made a deal with sigma-us

[long bloom]

yes

[pliant ruin]

statis is his boyfriend and helped him almost kill yharim
statis is the one that got out of the distortion through a deal with signus, while braelors still in there

statis will be a npc later down the line but rather than a boring town npc that sells u stuff he'll be a wanderer

and he'll have a whole ass quest line

[tough path]

Braelor is the better one tho right

like power wise

hes the stronger one of the two who actually fucked yharims shit

[pliant ruin]

Braelor is generally the stronger of the two yea

[tough path]

Didnt like DOG jump them

[pliant ruin]

Statis played more of a support role

[long bloom]

statis is the last ninja of the onyx kinsmen clan
who worshipped slime god and signus

[tough path]

thats why DOG and Yharim became friends isnt it?

[hot valve]

I hear statis will become a town Npc once the quest line is done, or at a certain point in the quest line

[long bloom]

no

[pliant ruin]

Basically
They were about to win but DoG jumpscare and sent them both to th edistortion right before they could kill yharim

[long bloom]

the jumping happened just a few months ago

[tough path]

DOG jumped braelor right before Yharim got killed

[pliant ruin]

This was after DoG was already part of the Yharmy

NGL

[tough path]

ohh

[pliant ruin]

i imagine yharim probably wasn't particularly happy with that

Like

he got saved by the one guy he does not trust in the slightest

[tough path]

isnt yharim still an honourable fighter

[pliant ruin]

he probably wishes it could've atleast been yharon or something

[tough path]

like he wouldve accepted his death

[long bloom]

no

[tough path]

or loss

no?

does he cheat and shit then

[long bloom]

twins lore item "the only fair fight is the one you win"

[tough path]

prolly glad we killed him

[mighty zenith]

i feel like he'd be honorable for someone that isnt a god supporter

[tough path]

yeah

Idk I just

[light linden]

tbf

[tough path]

I see yharim as being

a honourable warrior

type

who would accept defeat

[light linden]

fair fights stop mattering when you're dealing with armies

[tough path]

This was the 1v1 as well so its like

yk

pure warrior ethics

[long bloom]

fair enough

byeah we do not know enough about that

[light linden]

both your own and enemy armies, there's too many people that will die for you to really put any type of 'honor' in the fight

[tough path]

Very true

I feel like the lore will be expanded and Statis will play a massive role in finding and fighting him

[light linden]

idt we know much about how yharim handles a 1 on 1 fight

even the statis/braelor fight was a 2 vs 2

[tough path]

Well hes more powerful than SCAL isnt he?

[light linden]

yes

[long bloom]

yes

[tough path]

So

at least harder than her in game bossfight which no one 1st tries

so

probably pretty well

[light linden]

I mean ethics wise not power wise

[tough path]

oh

yeah

idk

probably honourably

considering hes very

no slavery

no gods

[long bloom]

he had an entire army division dedicated to burning innocent people alive

[tough path]

Hes like ''restore the honour of the dragons!''

[tough path]

Genocide is never out of the question

🤷‍♂️

The terrarian commits genocide

much of it

[dusk laurel]

we dont

[tough path]

Yes we do lol

[dusk laurel]

unless you want yours to

[tough path]

any afk farm ever

[long bloom]

no???

[tough path]

farming item drops

[eager folio]

A man has to have hobbies

[long bloom]

that's not what genocide means

[light linden]

idt that's canon

[tough path]

its completely impossible to avoid it due to base game mechanics

It essentially is

the systematic killing based on their race nationality or belief

[light linden]

genocide means to literally wipe out a people

[long bloom]

genocide is when you kill everyone of a specific group to try to eradicate them

[tough path]

we kill specific races

to obtain items

[dusk laurel]

going on a murder spree isnt a genocide, especially when the thing youre killing is usually undead

[light linden]

or when they attack first

[tough path]

We massacre entire species to obtain items

[dusk laurel]

we dont

[tough path]

pretty much do

or at least

the systematic killing

of

many members

of a species

[long bloom]

it's not systematic

[tough path]

do you even know what the word systematic means

[light linden]

yharim sent people to burn people and places of worship down to the ground solely because of them being tied to gods

[tough path]

with intent and efficiency

We farm

literal species

[light linden]

is this finally a chance to use the image?

[tough path]

''the terrarian is you'' yesyes

ik

[long bloom]

the goal isn't to eradicate the species completely
that's the important part

[tough path]

every person has farmed for an item drop

[tough path]

Good point

[dusk laurel]

farms arent even a thing most people use

[tough path]

okay so its not Genocide its just

the systematic killing

of members of a species

for personal gain

[long bloom]

i guess fine

[eager folio]

I have indeed tried for stupid annoying enemies like lizhards

[tough path]

dont gaslight yourself

you never farmed for a RoD?

or any item drop ever?

[light linden]

I haven't

[long bloom]

you can buy rod

[dusk laurel]

once in vanilla

[tough path]

you never in your entire life have ever farmed for an item drop

[tough path]

Exactly

im not saying its bad this isnt irl

[long bloom]

not in calamity

[tough path]

idgaf

I massacre species

for items drops

every playthrough

I need my bladecrest oathsword

I need my Grand Gelatin

Or ice chunk spawn

My point is the terrarian is not that innocent

however

were still the good guy

ish

[light linden]

reminder that you're applying your own headcanon to like

300k people

[tough path]

Its not a headcanon its the normal game lol

every playthrough we obtain rare drop items

no player doesnt