lore-discussion

[tough path]

and then fucks shit up

[pliant ruin]

What we do know is

1. He's from earth
2. He's older than Yharim
3. His very first memory is waking up in a lab in a tundra, having the lifeless body of his inventor across from him

A actually very common theory (Which i believe)

Is that Draedon is his inventor

Consciousness transfer basically

[tough path]

Permafrost made draedon question mark question mark

[split mortar]

Botched mind transfer

[pliant ruin]

And that's why the lifeless body of his inventor was there

He "died" when he transferred his mind

[tough path]

Right

[trail mist]

space cricket 💯

[tough path]

that makes sense tbf

[young socket]

wats funny is that the business deal was really heavily biased towards yharim but draedon just didnt care at all lmao

[split mortar]

Draedons older then perma and draedons creator is uh dead

[tough path]

He just wakes up in a lab

on a table

with a corpse opposite him

[split mortar]

It gave him resources so yay

[tough path]

mind transfer fr

Chappy the robot ass awakening

[split mortar]

And the guy then spends like 5 centuries stalking people

[pliant ruin]

I like to think he intentionally designed the mind transfer ot like not have his emotions or memories

That way he could focus 100% on his research

[tough path]

Didnt the mechanic get forced to make the mechs

by the dungeon people

[pliant ruin]

Nah that was base terraria lore

[split mortar]

Vanilla lore isnt canon

[tough path]

AH

ok

[pliant ruin]

In calamity

[tough path]

Whats the lore for mechs in calam

[split mortar]

Draedon made them

[pliant ruin]

Mech bosses were made by draedon, as requested by Yharim

[tough path]

Right

[pliant ruin]

The big unqiue thing tho

Is that mech bosses aren't just mechs

they're. alive

Yharim basically just asked Draedon

[split mortar]

Skeletron prime being the orphan decapitator 7000 is silly

[tough path]

like cybernetics

[pliant ruin]

"Hey stuff the souls of my dead soldiers into them"

[tough path]

Right

[pliant ruin]

and thats why

yk

they drop souls

[tough path]

I see

so yharim said

turn this dead batallion of spec ops into a massive child massacring robot pls x

[split mortar]

The fact a single god seeker is prob stronger then the destroyer is funny to me

[tough path]

and draedon said ok zaddy yharim

and they lived happily ever after

[pliant ruin]

Twins drop souls of sight because they got the souls of Yharim's best spies and scouts
Destroyer drops souls of might because they have the souls of Yharim's physically mightiest warriors
Skeleprime drops souls of fright because they have the souls of the most sadistic and cruel of yharim's warriors

[tough path]

Right

Whats the whole slime god arc

it just

enbds

Queen slime ate it

ik

but like

[pliant ruin]

It might change? If the boss progression changes happen

[tough path]

what acc is the slime god and what did it actually

do

it just appears

[pliant ruin]

But atm yeeah slime god tries making a new paladin for itself because you yk killed the other ones

But gets stuck

[tough path]

yeah

[pliant ruin]

and fucking dies

[tough path]

hallow is too powerful

Dragonfolly so low??

[long bloom]

NO CONFIRM

[tough path]

tfs going on there

[pliant ruin]

Slime God is a god, one of the weakest ones though

[split mortar]

Its a random animal thats pre hardmode to early hardmode level

[pliant ruin]

However

[tough path]

Why tf is the hive mind pref so high up

[pliant ruin]

It is. well. slippery.

[long bloom]

bc they're gods

[pliant ruin]

Its super good at running away

And that's why it survived this long

While it is weak

[split mortar]

They are hundreds of dead gods clinging to a barely alive vessel trying to become alive again

[pliant ruin]

It managed to survive by just being kind of a coward

[tough path]

Right

I see

[split mortar]

Thats post moonlord shit not pre hardmode ngl

[pliant ruin]

The real reason hive mind and perfs is so high

is because its better for gamelay

lore is built around gameplay, not the other way around

[tough path]

So Pref / hive mind is a collection of corpses of gods

who want to re-alive

[split mortar]

The crimson and corruption and hallowed are

[pliant ruin]

rn evil biomes get literally no content post ml
and evil2 is literally right after the pre hardmode evil bosses

so thats why the proposed idea of moving evil2 to post ml has been done

[tough path]

yeah

So why is signus so much higher than cease and aust

Ceaseless is a portal to DoG's homeworld

[pliant ruin]

main reasosn are

[tough path]

but signus is so far up

whys he so much beefier

[split mortar]

Better for gameplay
-# guy is also the same sort of being as noxus

[pliant ruin]

1. Making the distortion trio more separate from eachother, as they are not really meant to be a "trio of minibosses" as they used to be in the past, and are meant to stand out on their own
2. Signus is just really fucking strong in the lore tbh so it honestly makes sense from that point of view

[tough path]

True

[pliant ruin]

Ceaseless is likely the weakest of the three, since its not even really a living being

[tough path]

isnt signus like a fucking reality warper

who can like

[pliant ruin]

Its just a object, a portal

[tough path]

appear in many places

[split mortar]

Signus is fucking weird

[tough path]

like pure omnipresence

hes just everywhere

at once

[pliant ruin]

Signus is notable for a few reasons

[tough path]

Hes notable bc in my run he didnt even attack in the bossfight he just bugged in his patrol state 🧌

[split mortar]

Signus is beat distorter rn imo

[pliant ruin]

1. He can make "deals" with people. Basically think of it as a deal with the devil. He gives you something, but you have to pay a price.
2. Unlike the Devourer , who is a servant of a stronger being in the distortion (Noxus), Signus dosen't really bend his will to anyone. He's a completely independent entity with its own plans.
3. Honestly he's just kind of really fucking strong tbh

[tough path]

What the hell is the distortion

[pliant ruin]

Signus is unironically one of my favorite characters, hes rly interesting and i cant wait for him to get more actual cool shit ingame when he gets a fight rework and more lore

[tough path]

😭

[pliant ruin]

(Unfortunately his fight is doodoo rn 😔

[tough path]

His lore seems like crazy cool

just some ascended being

[split mortar]

A alternate dimension to simplify it

[tough path]

who gives no fucks

Ceaseless is a portal to it

isnt he

or

it

sorry

[split mortar]

Yeah

[tough path]

Doesnt DoG claim he made it

like the whole

distortion

isnt that his big lie

[pliant ruin]

THe distortion is the alternate realm where Devourer, Signus and Storm Weaver come from

[split mortar]

No just ceaseless

[tough path]

that hes the creator of it

[pliant ruin]

Nah, he claims he made ceaseless

which

tbf

[tough path]

oh

[pliant ruin]

is also a lie

he didn't make taht shit

😭

[tough path]

What even is DoGs whole thing then

[split mortar]

Ceaseless is special due to being stable

[tough path]

he just is some SCAL level threat

megaking

who eats shit

and

lies a lot

[pliant ruin]

DoG came from the distortion and hes

well

to put it bluntly

incredibly sus

ok so

[tough path]

hes a big fat liar

[split mortar]

Eats god essence and is likely giving it all to noxus

[tough path]

Who tf is noxus then

DOGs father?!

[long bloom]

kinda

i guess

[split mortar]

Likely the guys creator

[tough path]

Right

[split mortar]

We dunno

[tough path]

so hes like yharim

just

alien version

What race is yharim btw

is he like

a thing

or an it

or a she

[split mortar]

Human or humanoid

[tough path]

probs a he

[split mortar]

Not lihzahrd he is racist to those

[tough path]

LOL

[pliant ruin]

1. Shows up out of completely nowhere
2. Calls himself the DEVOURER OF GODS, right as Yharim is going on a GOD KILLING CRUSADE, and offers to help Yharim with seemingly like, no drawbacks
3. Has completely alien anatomy and refuses to give any elaborations on what its goal is
4. Is a pathological liar, having lied about being the creator of Ceaseless even though Yharim and everyone else could tell he couldn't be, because Ceaseless's portal is far more stable and refined than the ones he makes

so, again

to put it bluntly

the devourer is sus as fuck

[tough path]

Right

hes js a fuckass liar

Maybe a spy

[split mortar]

Devourer is also kinda pathetic lmao

[tough path]

like Noxus is using DOG to

infiltrate

[long bloom]

definitely a spy

[tough path]

yharims shit

[pliant ruin]

More or less y eah

DoG is likely

gathering divine essence that he ocnsumes

and sending it to Noxus

[tough path]

Isnt DoG like immensely powerful tho

[pliant ruin]

for some reason which we don't really know yet

ok ok so like

DoG IS really powerful

hes not pathethic in that sense

hes pathethic in that

[tough path]

hes a lying bitch boy

[pliant ruin]

hes a arrogant egomaniac bastard who thinks hes hot shit, which, HE IS, but there are people who are FAR more hot shit than he is (Draedon, Yharim, Calamitas, Terrarian, Xeroc, Yharon... etc)

And like

when he notices he's losing

you realize hes actually. yea

a lying bitch boy with a fragile ego

[tough path]

He shit talks and stuff

[pliant ruin]

😭

[tough path]

A GOD CANT DIE

or sum shit

he spams

then dies

[pliant ruin]

he starts acting like a cod player whos gamer raging

[long bloom]

A GOD DOES NOT FEAR DEATH
dies

[tough path]

Calls you a pussy and then fucking dies

[pliant ruin]

which admittedly is really funny but hes gonna get his dialogue updated at one point

itll keep the same vibes though

[tough path]

I feel like he should shit talk you more

[pliant ruin]

just be overall more up to date and well written

[tough path]

like proper

Your such a bitch

[pliant ruin]

reb should send some of the dialogue shes bene cooking for dog here sometime, its great

[tough path]

proper ragebaiter

[pliant ruin]

he sounds like such an asshole

😭

[tough path]

racist cod player

[queen moon]

If he didn't fear he wouldn't shout that he doesn't fear

[long bloom]

she's cooking so hard

[pliant ruin]

DoG is horrifying if you're weaker than him because he is a evil sadistic egomaniac bastard

But

if you're stronger than him

yeah no hes pathethic

[tough path]

To everyone other than his elders

hes scary

[long bloom]

he's
well

a worm

[tough path]

to anyone whos more powerful

hes a lying bitch

Calamity devs try not to add a worm boss day 1000:

[pliant ruin]

wheres that one popcorn image

hold on

[dusk laurel]

its been like 4 years

😭

[tough path]

Why doesnt SCAL (being the so cavelike self she is) just come out and fuck up DOG

isnt she trying to stop all tyrants

thats why she fights us

why not DoG

was he just not a big enough threat

[long bloom]

she doesn't care enough about dog

also he's reclusive probably

[tough path]

So DoG is a bit of a bitch

who SCAL thinks

eh

I cant be asked

[long bloom]

most likely

[dusk laurel]

no one likes dog but they dont hate him as much as yharim

[tough path]

Right

is yharim ever gonna fully make an appearance

like in the game

[dusk laurel]

yes

[tough path]

as a boss or in some full capacity

[dusk laurel]

hes gonna be the final boss

[tough path]

right

Im assuming the devs r gonna go down that god mod path

and make his fight like

[dusk laurel]

and at least one of them are becoming not a worm

[tough path]

some bullet hell 20 minute long

type shit

[dusk laurel]

fabsol is dead

[tough path]

oh yeah

[split mortar]

Yharim is a melee he will just punch your shit that hard

[tough path]

Fab diddy got caught and fucking eviscerated

[dusk laurel]

hes like the only one who made the bullet hells

[split mortar]

Or whack you with a weapon

[tough path]

thank fuck

Yharim just hand to hand combat

[split mortar]

Bosses in general

[tough path]

Imagine him as a summoner fight

like he uses all his creations

and shit

throws 100 bosses at you

then just 1v1s you

(hes weat)

weak)

[queen moon]

Probably gonna be a bullet hell ah fight

[tough path]

I can imagine it now tbf

[queen moon]

With his army

[pliant ruin]

OK I FOUND IT

[queen moon]

And his dragon

[pliant ruin]

nope

[robust osprey]

his army is either dead or retired

[pliant ruin]

fabsol is gone bosses can be good now

😊

[split mortar]

The dragons dead

[robust osprey]

dragon is dead

[dusk laurel]

yharmy event

[pliant ruin]

@tough path

💔

[queen moon]

🥀💔

[robust osprey]

thats an idea for undead gauntlet iirc

[queen moon]

I couldn't be much wrong

[pliant ruin]

not undead gauntlet

undead gauntlet is the illmeran warriors

yharmy event is smth else

[snow mountain]

loathed undead gauntlet

[pliant ruin]

remnants of yharim's army that still act on his name

[robust osprey]

da lihzahrd

[tough path]

Yharim fight starts like this:

''shit talk shit talk yah yah yah''

He summons draedon

Draedon throws a shit ton of bosses at you

Draedon (in his infinite wisdom) goes fuck this and tells yharim to die and quits

yharim hits a thanos ''ill do it myself''

Terrarian fucking eradicated him

[queen moon]

😭🙏

[tough path]

😭

[robust osprey]

yharim and draedon broke up

[split mortar]

Draedon isnt aligned with yharim

They divorced

[dusk laurel]

calamity players are at 2 spectrums

[long bloom]

they got divorced in 1875

[tough path]

Tbf wouldnt Draedon side with us then

[split mortar]

No

[queen moon]

No

[cloud ibex]

he wouldn't want to interfere on either side

[pliant ruin]

Yharim basically kicked Draedon out after he made Plaguebringer Goliath because Yharim despises slavery and he saw the fact Draedon basically removed the free will of the queen bee to turn it into PBG as a form of slavery

Well

[split mortar]

He wants to see us be on equal footing

[pliant ruin]

Draedon already is kind of siding with us

Just not directly

[tough path]

right

[pliant ruin]

He's not gonna intervene in the fight, and

[tough path]

Draedon js wants to watch

[pliant ruin]

he dosen't actually like

see yharim as a enemy

[robust osprey]

well theres no equal to him

[pliant ruin]

but

[split mortar]

And cant cause the aerie

[tough path]

hes just watching

front row seat

[pliant ruin]

He does want to see what impact Yharim's death will have on the world

Yharim is a MASSIVE figure who basically everyone knows and who fundamentally changed (for the worse) the world

[split mortar]

Draedon cant follow to the aerie

[pliant ruin]

He wants to see the social impact him dying will have

[tough path]

LOL

Final arc the terrarian enslaves everyone

fucking

takes over

[long bloom]

yharim's like genghis kahn but for the entire world not just asia

[pliant ruin]

Keep in mind
Draedon isn't just a inventor, he's a researcher of all forms of science

[tough path]

yeah

[pliant ruin]

Including social sciences

[tough path]

Draedon is just a mega brainiac

who kinda

[pliant ruin]

So the impact of yharim dying does actually matter alot to him

[tough path]

enjoys watching

whats the whole exo mech lore then

[queen moon]

THAT is going to be cool

[tough path]

is that draedons final creations

[queen moon]

Bee

[long bloom]

most recent

[robust osprey]

not final probably

[tough path]

like his peice de resistance

Whyd he make them

[pliant ruin]

Exo mechs are basically Draedon's ( so far ) ultimate war machines

[tough path]

Daddy yharim asked him to?

[pliant ruin]

He initially made them to rival Yharim

[tough path]

oh right

[pliant ruin]

He started on em after he had left the yharmy

[snow mountain]

draedon is the military industrial complex

[long bloom]

for shits and giggles

[tough path]

Wait hang on...

so...

[snow mountain]

and latex supplier

[pliant ruin]

Exo mechs are made to have the same power level as Yharim had before he left for the Dragon Aerie

[tough path]

Draedon is....

It cant be

Draedon is the lockheed martain of terraria

Confirmed

[long bloom]

literally yes

[pliant ruin]

So theroetically this means that maybe if the terrarian was born like a few years earlier before Yharim went to go train on the dragon aerie and got his armor upgrades we couldve beaten yharim because we beat the exo mechs

lmao

[tough path]

Draedon is the new Lockheed Martain CEO

[split mortar]

exo mechs are ai generated bosses

[snow mountain]

gencorp

[pliant ruin]

not wrong

[queen moon]

Lol

[tough path]

So

Draedon makes Exo mechs to fuck yharims shit up

[long bloom]

no

he can't get to yharim

[tough path]

He initially did but then yharim fucked off anyway

[queen moon]

Hey gemini, make robots for me please

[split mortar]

just to test its own limits of tech rn i think

[tough path]

Chatgpt develop me three god slaying mechs who fuck shit up

[pliant ruin]

Yeah it was less so to like

[split mortar]

4

[pliant ruin]

actively fuck yharim up

[tough path]

Hey deepseek AI make me some mega fuck ais pls

[pliant ruin]

and morre so to just test his own limits

[queen moon]

Hey ChatGPT, develop god like machines

[tough path]

Right

[pliant ruin]

again he dosent rly like, care abt yharim or see him as a enemy

[tough path]

So who wins SCAL or Yharim

[pliant ruin]

he just kind of want sto fuck around and find out

Yharim wins yea

[long bloom]

yharim

[pliant ruin]

Scal could get close to beating him though

same with exos

[tough path]

Let me ask sumn then

[split mortar]

yharim most of the time but scal still has the ability to pull up a win if things go well

[pliant ruin]

they'd both get close but would win

[tough path]

so Yharim > SCAL

right

[pliant ruin]

mhm

[tough path]

Draedon created the Exo mechs in the form

Exo mechs > Yharim

[split mortar]

boss progression is a good indicator of a bosses strength

[tough path]

or Eco mechs = Yharim

Last known yharim at least

[split mortar]

yharims grown since they met

[tough path]

pre him fucking off

yeah

[pliant ruin]

Exo mechs were = Yharim but only before he

1. Went to train in the Aerie
2. Got his armor enhancements

[tough path]

but im talking in game

last appearance

[pliant ruin]

Currently Yharim > Exo mechs = Scal

[split mortar]

yharims gone from scal level to post scal in just a few months

oh ok

[tough path]

Surely Exo Mechs > SCAL

[long bloom]

no

[pliant ruin]

They're about equal atm

[tough path]

because he created them to rival (pre trainin arc) yharim

[pliant ruin]

Scal would also have been stronger than Yhar back then

It's actually like

[split mortar]

exos and scal are on the same tier

[tough path]

Why didnt she do shit then

[pliant ruin]

a plot point devs want to touch on iirc

[tough path]

fuckass cave dweller

[pliant ruin]

Calamitas could've beaten yharim, in theory

But the sheer impression Yharim left on her made she not believe in herself, ptsd and all that

She thought Yharim was stronger than he actually was

[tough path]

So shes js scared of him massively

and he kinda

[pliant ruin]

like Yharim kind of rly fucked her up mentally, girl has ptsd

[tough path]

So she just fears hi m

him

massively

[pliant ruin]

yep

[tough path]

Hang on

this is just Obi wan vs Darth Vader in terraria form

[gritty kraken]

I believe in scal being horrified of the mechs even tho 4 of them are equal to her

[tough path]

vader never beat obi only due to his limitations due to his thoughts

[split mortar]

well i imagine a guy who is like 9 foot tall and any physical contact with his armour could kill multiple people would prob leave a impression on someone

[tough path]

probs is

In STAR wars lore (my autism area)

Vader is immensely MORE powerful than obi but never fought him due to his fear

as he lost that one single time

so anytime they fight vaders being a big pussy

thats just SCAL yharim

SCALs stronger but is too scared

[long bloom]

not currently

[tough path]

or was

just like star wars, in both primes

prime SCAL rocks Prime Yharim

or no

[pliant ruin]

scal is in her prime rn

its more so that

[long bloom]

yharim is in his prime right fucking now

[tough path]

Right

[split mortar]

yharim is in his prime and is above scal rn

[pliant ruin]

scal could've beaten yharim before he reached his prime, which is rn

[tough path]

How do we acc know this

[long bloom]

devs

[tough path]

what if he comes back from his power up trip a big bitch

[pliant ruin]

if she hadn't been paralized by fear before she could've ended him before we did

[split mortar]

yharim has cool magic dragon soul attunement that kept him in prime for longer

[pliant ruin]

Mostly dev statements yea - Alot of the lore is unfinished atm so stuff gets talked abt in this chat that will get implemented ingame futurely

Keep in mind tho

unless its ACTUALLY ingame nothing is 100% confirmed

[long bloom]

yharim is old as fuck and dying of old age but has peak vitality

he's physically stronger than ever

[tough path]

So from whats been said yharim > scal

[split mortar]

the guy will wither away like a raisin in a few years but rn is able to kick ass

[magic epoch]

(except for the outdated stuff)

[tough path]

but possibly yharim just fucking dies of old age

When will the calamity devs stop stealing Star wars formats 🙏

[long bloom]

he's got like a decade left

[tough path]

Yharim is just emp palpatine

[pliant ruin]

its kind of ufnny

because

[tough path]

old raisin man whos fucking

god

who can fuck shit up

but is a trillion years olf

and is dying

but is still fucking megaman

[pliant ruin]

none of the lore devs have watched s tar wars iirc 😭 and darth vader and yharim comparisons happen ALL THE TIME and its genuinely just 100% coincidence and its fucking hilariojus because they're so similar

[long bloom]

yeah

[tough path]

Yharim is more like Emperor Palpatin

tine*

Vader is moreso SCAL

[gritty kraken]

both were thrown in lava they’re clearly the same person

[tough path]

Acc its a perfect match

[gritty kraken]

I think

[tough path]

This is literally a linear match

[gritty kraken]

(Idk starwar)

[tough path]

Yharim x SCAL

palpatine x Vader

So

lemme cook

star wars lore time

[timid pulsar]

Ok, who is stronger scal or draedon

[long bloom]

scal

[gritty kraken]

Scal

[pliant ruin]

well draedon himself isn't really stronger or weaker

but

[long bloom]

but draedon can't die

[pliant ruin]

exo mechs and scal

yeah they're equal

you can't really reasonably rank draedon himself against anything because

he's not really a fighter, but hes also functionally immortal

so hes kind of just. there

[long bloom]

trying to kill draedon is like trying to destroy the internet

there's infinite backups

[pliant ruin]

sending malware to him 😊

go my virus

[split mortar]

draedon is prob harder to kill then the internet at this point

[gritty kraken]

Artemis tryin to replicate scal brimflame magic is kinda cool

[pliant ruin]

draedon is probably like the hardest to kill character besides the elementals

[split mortar]

its apollo

[long bloom]

what language is draedon coded in

[pliant ruin]

javascript

😨

[split mortar]

java

[gritty kraken]

was Apollo the orange one

[timid pulsar]

C#

[pliant ruin]

actually being technical

[long bloom]

apollo green

artemis orange

[pliant ruin]

he is canonically and literally coded in C#

because

you know

terraria

😭

calamity lore is so cool, i love when big convos like these happen

teaching new ppl abt it and having them be genuinely interested is always awesome

[split mortar]

draedon is a java

[gritty kraken]

Java or Mojang

[split mortar]

yeah same its when lore chat is at its best

[tough path]

so Anakin (the man inside darth vader suit) is the most powerful being in the entirety of the universe. He has one trillion midochlorians (these little creatures inside of your cells which allow you to use and connect to the force)

SCAL was a young girl given infinite power (anakin just not from birth)

Both people began good fighting to protect somehting they love (anakin his lover padme and his parents // scal her home azafure)

Both then meet a mega manipluative old raisin person who is literally god in their respective universes (Palpatine // Yharim)

Both convince the protagonist (SCAL // Anakin) To become evil and do super mega evil shit

Both (scal anakin [vader]) realise they did really fucked up shit and swap teams seeking forgiveness

Vader kills palp and dies protecting luke his son

SCAL lives in a cave and fights us the terrarian to protect terraria

[split mortar]

draedon java edition and draedon bedrock editiom

[tough path]

Star wars is linear to calamity

icl

[timid pulsar]

Draedon pocket edition

[pliant ruin]

honestly i can see the similarities yeah

[long bloom]

apple tv edition

[pliant ruin]

makes sense

[timid pulsar]

I have an idea

[gritty kraken]

Draedon lab adventure map 1699 minecoins

[tough path]

Both also feature a handful of side characters who just want to cause pure havok and evil

Star wars in Darth Tyrannus (count dookoo) who kinda rivals the main villain and makes his own order which causes an intergalactic civil war IN WHICH palpatine becomes the chancellor of the universe (gets the chance he needs to become god man)

Calamity in the moon lord who appears fucks shit up kills the dragons which allows for Yharim to do his thing

[timid pulsar]

Scal can revive people

[long bloom]

not really

[gritty kraken]

not really

[timid pulsar]

Can she revive yahrim if he dies

[tough path]

she wouldnt

[split mortar]

reviving is innately flawed so it will be zombie

[gritty kraken]

Necromancy is imperfect

[long bloom]

necromancy is how you get the ravager

[tough path]

SCAL could theoretically make Yharim into a zombie but in no fiction ever would she bother doing it

theyre NOT friends 🙏

[gritty kraken]

It would just be a puppet too I think

[timid pulsar]

But ravaged will be reworked in next update and become stronger than Providence, so

[tough path]

not 10000% confirmed

[long bloom]

it's still very much not a functioning person

[tough path]

nothings ''will''

its all possibly

[long bloom]

also not next update

far after that

[split mortar]

still not actually the god of sacrifices

[tough path]

Ravager was just like a failed lizhard thing wasnt it

[dusk laurel]

was

2 years ago

[long bloom]

lihzahrd??

[tough path]

ah

[dusk laurel]

ravager in the old lore was a construct by the lihzarhds

taken by yharim

afaik

[timid pulsar]

Oh he looks like golem

[long bloom]

why do ppl want everything to be a lihzahrd

[tough path]

Thats the old lore

they made it golem 2.0

but yharim took it

whats the new lore

for ravager

who made it etc

[split mortar]

Ravager is the revived god of sacrifices (and might be blood or something now)
But due to the innate flaws of reviving people its now just a zombie mentally with the power of one of the strongest gods

It killed everyone that tried to revive it due to said zombie thinking

[long bloom]

god of sacrifices got yharimed

his worshippers sacrificed themselves to revive him

it did not work

[gritty kraken]

I like God of blood mor

[tough path]

Right

[long bloom]

also he's the god of blood now yeah

[tough path]

so it was the god of blood death whatever

but

its a zombie thing

[pliant ruin]

Ravager used to be a (possibly benevolent) god called the God of Sacrifices, but then like most other gods

He got killed by Yharim

[dusk laurel]

there is no god of death

[tough path]

so it kinda just fucking massacred everything

[pliant ruin]

his followers tried to revive him

but, yk

[tough path]

Okay right

[pliant ruin]

necromancy is explicitly stated to basically always fail

and

yeah

it did

[long bloom]

shocking

[pliant ruin]

so now he's just a hulking undead monstrosity

[tough path]

So yharim 1v1d og ravager (won)

people revive ravager

it became 🧟‍♂️

it fucks shit up

[pliant ruin]

with barely any of its memories from before

[split mortar]

And then yharim leaves it alone

[gritty kraken]

What if ravager just be a bunch of gods in underworld mashed into one thing

[long bloom]

it's not

[pliant ruin]

It's kind of tragic if God of Sacrifices does end up being a good guy though

[tough path]

Whats the whole thing with anahita and the lev then

[long bloom]

points to evil2

[tough path]

are they two standalone gods

[pliant ruin]

Imagine fighting for your people and dying a heroic death for them only to be forced to come back as a undead monster fueled by nothing but anger and then killing the same people you tried to protect

[long bloom]

neither are gods

[pliant ruin]

Anahita is a elemental

[split mortar]

Nah they elemental and fish(?)

[dusk laurel]

they are not gods

[tough path]

ah

anahita is like brimmy but water mode

[dusk laurel]

one is literally called an elemental 😭

[tough path]

And lev is what

[split mortar]

Silva is the only god and elemental

[tough path]

her dog

[long bloom]

yes

[tough path]

So levi is just her pet

cupcake

the toddler eater

[long bloom]

anahita possibly created levi but we dunno

[tough path]

Doesnt the lore say she tamed it

like theyre just besties

[long bloom]

old lore

but maybe

[tough path]

it makes more sense

[long bloom]

again
we don't know

[tough path]

Elementals arent that powerful I thought

not enough to create beings

brimmy maybe

[split mortar]

Might be created by anahita might be tamed we dunno

[tough path]

but brimmy was like mega super op peak elem top dog

[long bloom]

guess where scal got her power from

an elemental

[tough path]

possibly brimmy yes ik

big plothole imop

just fucking

one day

brimmy wakes up and SCAL absorbs her powers

[split mortar]

Apart from brimmy and anahita all other elementals are split across like 5000 bodies and thus their power is as well

[long bloom]

also i don't think elementals have varying power levels

[tough path]

They arent all perfectly equal are they

[split mortar]

And silva is in mainly one piece

[long bloom]

they should all be the same

[dusk laurel]

yeah you can stop complaining about it because it will be explained in a future update

[tough path]

yeah you can stop being a hostile fuck and relax im asking lore questions

[split mortar]

Is it even actually a plot hole

[tough path]

Chill ur beans

its my opinion not your bible

[pliant ruin]

The gods you encounter ingame are:
-Slime God (Domain of ... come on its self explanatory - Absorbed the Dragon of Gluttony's soul)
-Ravager (Domain of Blood, used to be Sacrifices - Absorbed the Dragon of Death's soul)
-Providence (Domain of Ash - Absorbed the Dragon of Flame's soul)
-(Technically) Hive Mind and Perforators (Domains are Dogma and War respectively for their "Core" Gods, but they're amalgamation of various gods.)

And the other known gods overall are
-Xeroc (Domain of Primordial Light)
-Silva (Domain of Life)
-Otonilou (Domain of Eletricity - Absorbed the Dragon of Storms's Soul)
-Tyrian (Domain of the Sea)
-Shakidou (Domain of Space - Absorbed the Dragon of Gravity's Soul)

[tough path]

relax

Right

Is Empress of light some kinda

servant to Xeroc

then

[long bloom]

we dunno

probably not

[dusk laurel]

eol just exists

[split mortar]

Unlikely but we dunno for sure

[long bloom]

she's weird

[tough path]

EOL kinda just

is there

[long bloom]

yeah

[tough path]

isnt her lore that shes some stuck up bitch who thinks shes like

god

but isnt

Her lore just smack talks her

like th ein game one

[dusk laurel]

thats because yharim wrote all of the lore items

[tough path]

Ohhhh right

I thought draedon did ngl

[pliant ruin]

We dunno much abt empress

[tough path]

I feel like it would make way more sense for lore items to be made by Draedon

[pliant ruin]

She might get her lore retconned futurely 😭 In fact

its like

[tough path]

because of his whole

scientist thing

[pliant ruin]

the only lore in the entire game that might be retconned

[tough path]

and being so old and shit

[dusk laurel]

draedon already has lore items

[pliant ruin]

The lore items aren't a objective analysis or anything

[tough path]

he has the labs yeah

[pliant ruin]

They're Yharim whispering to you

[tough path]

but I wanna see like boss lore entries by draeon

[pliant ruin]

To try manipulating you into being his successor

[dusk laurel]

draedon has the logs and draetalk

[pliant ruin]

It's why they seem so biased

[tough path]

yeah I thought so

But wait

[pliant ruin]

They're his opinion on things, and hes very uh
yknow
biased
a little racist
kinda racist
REALLY racist

[tough path]

isnt one of the lore items draedons perspective

Sulf sea

[dusk laurel]

nope

[pliant ruin]

Nah they're all Yharim

[tough path]

doesnt it say ''I threw MY creations''

[pliant ruin]

They might be reworked in the future

[mental palm]

How did you find this lore ?

[tough path]

or is that yharim being a bitch

stealing draedons shit

[pliant ruin]

Instead of being "Lore Items"

They may instead be literal Whispers you'll be able to hear from Yharim, through a new item that'll be basically a sending stone

[long bloom]

dev statements

[tough path]

They should be cutscenes like when you kill the last mech and draedon appears

[pliant ruin]

Some of it is just literally ingame

[gritty kraken]

Yharim when I ask him for hallow biome lore

[pliant ruin]

But some if it is also dev statement yea

[mental palm]

Oh ok

Thanks

I will check

[split mortar]

Dev statements are a bit relevant to lore due to the fact theres been like no major lore drops in an update for over a year

[pliant ruin]

Tbh i personally disagree because Draedon's build up works better imo with him being slowly teased throughout the game through all the lore entries and stuff you see from him only for you to finally meet the guy himself right at the end

[tough path]

yeah true

he appears first in the mechs

doesnt he

like properly

in his whole zoom out watching you on the fucking tv

[gritty kraken]

Infernum effect

[split mortar]

Infernum

[dusk laurel]

draedon already has a lot i dont think he also needs the lore items

[tough path]

ohh

Whats the base game shit for that

I play infernum more ngl

[long bloom]

nothing

[tough path]

oh

[long bloom]

nothing happens

[gritty kraken]

Lab

[tough path]

Isnt arctic lab

the thingy

last one

like story canonically wise

isnt the ice lab the last log etc

[gritty kraken]

I read anything but lab logs

[split mortar]

It holds the highest level schematic but you can enter any lab in any order canonically

[gritty kraken]

Cause idk how to get out when I look at them

[tough path]

Im pretty sure all the lab logs kinda end with ice biome

[split mortar]

The terrarians lore is up to you

[tough path]

I mean in terms of DRAEDONS lore

wasnt the ice lab the last lab draedon made

[split mortar]

Ah

Idk

[tough path]

@pliant ruin In the cryogen lore (now knowing its from yharims perspective) why does yharim glaze permafrost so much

[gritty kraken]

He’s cool I think

[pliant ruin]

let me re-read it rq

[tough path]

saying all abt how Permafrost was the only reason half the yharim lore happens

[pliant ruin]

forgot the exact wording of it

[tough path]

he just says like without permafrost none of my conquests would have been possible

[pliant ruin]

Oh yeah

thats basically true

[tough path]

So yharim respects permafrost then?

and he says SCAL trapped him in cryogen

[pliant ruin]

because Permafrost was not only like, responsible for managing the Cities Yharim conquered (Basically acting as the president of them and stuff) but also was a tactician that allowed Yharim to win alot of the fights he fought

[dusk laurel]

he respects him but also ordered for his execution

[pliant ruin]

He eventually left Yharim though

At first

Permafrost helped him, because he thought he was a hero

and at first

it did seem so

[dusk laurel]

which calamitas did not follow through

[pliant ruin]

bc he was speciically going after the evil gods

but slowly

Yharim started showing off more of his true goals

[tough path]

So thats why she locks him inside of cryogen

[pliant ruin]

Going after all gods, even the goods ones, murdering their followers

And that evnetually lead to Perma leaving

And yeah

[tough path]

yeah

[pliant ruin]

Yharim ordered Cal to murder Perma

[tough path]

so perma begins as yharims right hand man

then quits after realising yharim is evil

[gritty kraken]

is it canon that stormwaver shell are literally stronger than solidified cosmilite or is that gameplay thing

[tough path]

then SCAL refuses to kill him bc wasnt perma like her actual father figure

[pliant ruin]

But since she didn't want to kill her literal father figure
SHe just froze him instead, and disguised his seal as a ice thing, so Yharim would think it's just some random ice ocnstruct perma made and not go after him

MHM

caps

[tough path]

Ohhh right

[pliant ruin]

she'll even call him dad and stuff in her upcoming rewritten dialogue

its pretty wholesome

[dusk laurel]

uhhhhhh undefined

[tough path]

So she doesnt want to kill perma bc perms is like her actual dad

like adopted dad

and so she locks him away and hides him

[pliant ruin]

yeah p much

[split mortar]

Yup

[tough path]

and he kinda accepts it

and just

[split mortar]

Dad that stepped up

[tough path]

goes with it

I wonder how that interaction would of been

[pliant ruin]

We know it was a "tearful confrontation"

So probably really emotional for them

[tough path]

''hey dad''

''hey honey''

''yharim says I have to kill you''

''I know darling..''

''I dont want to!''

''you have to..''

(locks him away)

[pliant ruin]

It'll be great when we're able to reunite them ingame and they actually have their like updated dialogue and stuff

[gritty kraken]

draedrone in the background

[tough path]

I feel like when their AIs meet they need to be yk

[pliant ruin]

bc rn they stilll use pre-lore rewrite npc dialogue and dont have their like, cool dialogue trees devs want ot add

[tough path]

yeah

they need their proper interations as free NPCs

[pliant ruin]

dialogue trees will be so awesome

[long bloom]

sso save town npcs

[tough path]

Permafrost loves ice biome + scal

SCAL loves hell + permafrost

That would be hard to make into a happiness thing

[split mortar]

Scal hates the crags she berates you if you put her in there iirc

[tough path]

as theyre opposing biomes

[long bloom]

she hates hell

[tough path]

Isnt she from the brimstone crag tho

or is that like old memories

[gritty kraken]

bombed it

[split mortar]

Its the destroyed remains of her city

[tough path]

ah true

[pliant ruin]

yeah probably gives her rly bad trauma

right now

[dusk laurel]

she kinda destroyed the city with brimmy

[pliant ruin]

her loved biome is forest

[long bloom]

yeah she'll definitely want to live in the place her entire family died

[pliant ruin]

her hated biome is crags/underworld

[tough path]

I wonder if the fact that permafrost is an ice man has anything to do why she loves him the most

like hes such an opposite

[split mortar]

Nah

[tough path]

to her youth

hes a complete polar opposite to her old life

[split mortar]

He just a good father

[pliant ruin]

i dont think it rly influences her thoughts on him but

Kind of ironic yeah lol

[tough path]

it would be a cool subplot

[pliant ruin]

hes honestly just a really good father figure, cei posted his updated dialogue here sometimes and

genuinely

[tough path]

yeah

[pliant ruin]

hes just a cool dude

[tough path]

he sells me perms concotion

[long bloom]

cool?

[tough path]

saves me so much

[pliant ruin]

like hes the type of old guy that can unironically get along with young ppl without it being like forced and awkward

[gritty kraken]

Shoutout to perma for teaching scal how to do ice magic

[split mortar]

Perma good

[tough path]

not shoutouts to him for making our bossfight harder

[split mortar]

Perma new concept art has got that drip as well

[tough path]

So whats the whole thing with the abyss then

isnt there a whole thing there

[pliant ruin]

yeah his new concept art is great

[long bloom]

it's there

[tough path]

and some hell god made it all scoria

[pliant ruin]

has that funky vibe that his new characterization has

[tough path]

scoria was a person I swear

like a god

[pliant ruin]

Nah its not really related to any gods

[gritty kraken]

god of life and her guard dog

[long bloom]

??????

[pliant ruin]

scoria is just funky melty rokc ore

[long bloom]

what

[pliant ruin]

Butttt

There is a goddess down in the abyss

[tough path]

I swear in the lore for the abyss there was this one person who made the abyss all

[pliant ruin]

Silva

Goddess of life

[tough path]

thats the one

Silva

[pliant ruin]

She is technically alive

Because, since shes a elemental

[tough path]

Right

[long bloom]

she made the plants

[pliant ruin]

she cant really die

[tough path]

Whys she like

[dusk laurel]

silva doesnt have anything to do with scoria

[long bloom]

not scoria

[tough path]

down there

did yharim put her there

[pliant ruin]

guys slow down let me explai n

[long bloom]

yharim

[gritty kraken]

Dryad also got one dialogue mentioning her

[dusk laurel]

yharim chopped her up and threw her down

[pliant ruin]

Yharim beat her to "death" and threw her down in the abyss yup

[split mortar]

No

[tough path]

right

[split mortar]

Lea channel when

[pliant ruin]

She's technically still alive t ho

[tough path]

So I harvest her body to make my armour

🙏

[pliant ruin]

She'll be fully regenerated evnetually

[tough path]

Planty mush ore excavated

ez kill

[long bloom]

she can't ever die so throwing her in the abyss is the only way to get her to fuck off for any significant length of time

[tough path]

1-0 me

[pliant ruin]

The planty mass growing in the abyss isnt LITERALLY her body but it is there thanks ot her like, divine infleunse

[gritty kraken]

It’s fine fishes eat her

[pliant ruin]

We also know that she was like

Probably one of the most benevolent and nicest gods

[tough path]

yeah

[dire sapphire]

How old is the calamity universe

like lore wise

[pliant ruin]

we dunno

[dire sapphire]

hmm

[pliant ruin]

probably never will

[dusk laurel]

3

[pliant ruin]

because its not really relevnat ot the story

[dire sapphire]

Do you think it is implied to have a creator or some god figure or just like naturally started

[tough path]

So right the whole expanded lore timeline is like

Pre dragons

Moon lord vs dragons

Yharim spawns

Yharims conquests

SCAL defects

Yharims army ends

Yharim leaves

We appear

[pliant ruin]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

if there is a creator we never heard anything about one

[long bloom]

that's incredibly simplified

[split mortar]

No set thing but it has no definite creator god so prob billions old since theres hospitable planets idk

[pliant ruin]

Nah more like

[gritty kraken]

you forgor dragon hunting part kinda

[long bloom]

i'm working on a complete timeline rn

it'll be peak

[tough path]

chop chop back to it

I must read

[dire sapphire]

Ah okay

[split mortar]

Oh yeah braelor and statis nearly killed yharm

[tough path]

who tf r they

[split mortar]

Gay

[mighty zenith]

bored discussion

[tough path]

Are those the two calamitas brothers

[split mortar]

No

Braelor is silvas champion and statis is the last onyx kinsman
They are gay

[tough path]

Gay couple

[gritty kraken]

John rogue and John big axe

[long bloom]

shut

[tough path]

fire

[split mortar]

The only canon couple iirc

[mighty zenith]

onyx kinsmen are worshippers of slime god and signus

[long bloom]

they're also the only canon couple

it's hilarious

[mighty zenith]

mostly slime god

[tough path]

Oh word

What abt Goblin tink x mechanic marriage 🧌

they need to add that

fr

[split mortar]

Yharim nearly died to the power of gay people

[gritty kraken]

Braelor tanked yharim’s auric rejection tha so cool

[mighty zenith]

technically not a confirmed couple

[tough path]

so who r those two gay couple and whats their whole thing

[mighty zenith]

(also theyre. not rly relevant at all

[tough path]

whered they come from who are they

what do they do

why did yharim win why did they die

[split mortar]

They arent dead

[long bloom]

braelor is from the vernal pass and is the champion of silva

[tough path]

oh right

[gritty kraken]

DoG killed their relationship

[tough path]

LOL

[gritty kraken]

with signs

Signus

[tough path]

Oh word?

Signus is homophobic confirmed

[timid pulsar]

Dog based

[gritty kraken]

Signus told them to broke up

[split mortar]

Dog sent them to the shadow dimension and statis made a deal with signus to get out

[gritty kraken]

Or something

[tough path]

Oh right

[mighty zenith]

dog trapped them in the distortion and then signus made a deal with statis to let him escape at the cost of an arm and a leg

[magic epoch]

[mighty zenith]

braelor's still stuck

[mighty zenith]

[tough path]

Why didnt signus talk to braelor

[split mortar]

Hopefully we can reunite the gays

[mighty zenith]

what did you mean by that..

[split mortar]

We dunno

[tough path]

Fair

maybe braelor told him to fuck off

[mighty zenith]

my theory is that signus being a rat bastard only let one of them free

[split mortar]

Braelor was doing most of the work against yharim iirc

[tough path]

Wait but hang on

so

wait

wait wait

[long bloom]

?

[tough path]

The gay couple

literally almost beat yharim

but lost to DoG?

[split mortar]

Yes

[gritty kraken]

braelor prob be out there being doomslayer on distortion wildlife

[dusk laurel]

yes

[tough path]

isnt DoG some big bitch

[long bloom]

yeah

[tough path]

and is weaker

[dusk laurel]

dog ambushed them

[split mortar]

Dog jumped them

[tough path]

than yharim

ohhh

[mighty zenith]

at first it was gonna be one limb per person but statis gave two of his and signus went "well. only one paid so only one gets out" cause hes a rat bastard

[long bloom]

dog got the jump on them

[tough path]

DoG did a full on hood jump

[timid pulsar]

Dog catched them off guard isn't he?

[mighty zenith]

DoG is a bitch but he's still strong

[tough path]

true

[split mortar]

It was a surprise attack and it was sending them to a different dimension

Braelor could legit prob beat dog in a 1v1 fight

[timid pulsar]

And isn't dog in the lore is stronger than he is in game