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still human at the end of the day
He's also binded to yharon
Super cool magic dragon soul attunement moment
also i hope they don’t give him the long red hair and all like some on the fan art because he’s meant to look like anakin skywalker under that suit
The hair may just be fake hair
when we kill yharon does the link get affected at all
a helmet plume i hope
They will leave it ambiguous if its actual hair or not
Anakin skywalker never drank healing potions
Alrraxia wait a fucking second have i stayed up so late you woke up
Yes
i think he’ll take his mask off
…
It is 8.44 am
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I slept at 2
1:45 am
The devs dont wanna show yharim under armour
i didn’t even know they said that
but i like that idea
i got school in the morning and it’s 1:45 farkkkkkkk
this is the mindset every calamity player has
melon go to bed
British timezone
yep
I tried
Couldnt
about that
psychology mocks in less than 10 hours
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melon shut it
Try harder...
Have you ever went to bed with your life on the line
You get to write how sleep deprivation affects the psychology
hes meant to be a suit of armor
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what do you think
I used to pull a sleepless gambit on exams
no?
Yharim fighter ai
hes dead, what link is there left
I wouldn't sleep the night before then during the test I'd be conked out for 15 minutes then wake up refreshed
If the link did get affected yharim would get the william afton springlock treatment but powered by 10 nuclear reactirs
so since he’s the dragon of rebirth nothing happens
yharim is the one who cant revive himself so yeah
what if we don’t end up killing him
you will
Yharim will age up and die before then
yharim being spared will not be considered at all
No matter what yharim wont live to see yharon again
Hmm time to spare john genocide the super racist
hes either gonna die of old age, die to you, or kill himself
that’s peak
do we get his armour though
The tyrant flee to fight another day
We cant wear it, we would get auric exploded
you wont attune to yharon, whos the only auric dragon left
there are like 20 different reasons why it wont happen

Kinda but then we make it the same as normal auric so no point in it
Plus yharim is like 9 foot tall the armour wont fit
We make auric armor
i thought he was only 9 foot tall because of the armour
our auric is neutered so it doesnt kill us
it’s never as strong as yharims because he’s attuned
the durability and the like are the same as yharim's armor
He is still in the 8 foot+ height
exotech is also lacking from our armor
Nah it just lacks the auric rejection
what did they feed him
our auric armour is just as strong as yharim’s?
can’t be
All auric is the same
His isnt more durable
His has exo tech but thats not a durability thing
yeah but doesn’t he tap into more of the power from the armour because he’s attuned
Plus we have 37 kilos worth of accessories to cover that
i thought that was what he got his godlike powers from
its just the auric rejection
which yharim only doesnt get affected by via his attunement
No he just worked out that fucking hard
all that blasting stimulants
Yharim had the will and time to push himself
99% of his power is natural human strngth
He has been away from anything that could make stims for months
Genuinely the guy is just fucking cracked
homemade

Aerie is invincible
Cant make it
Uhhhh
Rock
We know that
The grave of light
Idk
stonges
whole lotta nothing
bed
Altraxia pfp change
Now!
what’s his sword made of too
We dunno
5 more minutes
For a while we didnt know if he had a sword
both of you
a floating island
what was he killing the gods with
n ingrediants
his bare hands
Probably
he absolutely could punch a god to death
That or he hit the gods so hard the weapons broke
why did they remove his stimulants and gift and all the stuff
auric rejection got hands
Yharim could destroy a city in one punch
Because someone working hard as fuck for their strength goes harder then drug user
And the cool as fuck dragon he is soul linked to
he’s definitely still blasting something
I mean that's basically the power of friendship
He is friends with yharon lol
In a sense
He's huffing copium for not being able beat xeroc
Would still fail
"oh I can't finish my mission let's make some random fuck do it surely it'll work out"
Xeroc is at least like 10 times as strong as yharim
Xeroc can like oneshot yharim
yharim used to be the top dog in the old lore now he’s an old man
Cei gave the number of 40 yharims needed to beat xeroc
With perfect coordination
Xeroc was stronger in old lorw then he is now
He top 3 still
Xeroc legit was just God
Omnipotent
In old lore
yeah but he’s 3rd
Yah
Thats the same from old lire
who somehow died
Technically yharim is 4th if you include fovos at his prime
Noxus and xeroc on top with yharim below them
Xeroc didn't die in old lore that was just total calamity
Moonlord is a fucking menace
wouldn’t Scal have a small chance of killing yharim since she’s so destructive
yharim just let her go when she said she was leaving
Oh not a small chance she has a decent chance if winning the gap is that small
Scal is stronger magic wise
Yharim has the advantage but yeah scal can win
what about DoG
But yharim is 100+ years old and has the combat experience lol
Dog is fucked
The guys a melee and yharims armour blocks melee heavily
Yharim not only is stronger but is a counter to dog
fancy ass name just to get dunked on by every major character
Dog sucks at his job lol he tried to manipulate yharim, but yharim knew he was lying
he can devour a gods essence though so what if he snuck up on xeroc
die
He couldn't kill xeroc
Well gods only have essence if dead
didn’t his manipulation kinda work though he made yharim go crazy
He might hit xeroc, but get vaporized shortly afterwards
Otherwise their soul is like perfectly fine
see heres the thing
Yharim commissioned the orphan burner 9000 decades before dog arrived
From draedon
(Skeletron prime)
dog didnt convince yharim at all, yharim just used him as another scapegoat
And had people dedicated to burning civilians
Yharim when he sees a child praying to a god: to the stakes
Yharim was commiting mass murder and God slaying well before dog showed up
oh yeah couldn’t the exo mechs beat yharim too
Yharim when he sees a traumatised 12 year old who failed at stopping brimmy: kill ilmeris and you step father
The wall of flesh existed because yharim didn't have dog
Yeah, tho yharim has advantage due to superior power
why didn’t he go back and clean it up after he became buddies with DoG
could
Too much work
Why would he care lol the gods are dead
how did he manage that
a lot of preparation and luck
Scal and exos have more raw power then shakidou
Is Silva stronger than shakidou?
No
a bit weaker
I know he didn't kill her because well she can't actually die
but similar strength
Shakidou is only second to xeroc in god tierlist tho xeroc is like 100x stronger
Silva got beaten and chucked into the abyss which is why it's got life
Abundance of it
so could yharim kill noxus
No
and is zeratros the only being who could’ve gone against xeroc
Could give noxus one hell of a fucking fight
Zeratros is comparable to yharim
Xeroc is just cracked
how come he didn’t go after noxus at all
noxus is good at hiding
Doesnt know he exists
what does noxus even do
also like if he knew about noxus that likely wouldve meant xeroc would have stepped in to kill it
Xeroc getting the ritual correct helped a lot for his power level
also why didn’t xeroc just swat yharim earlier in his crusade
Be boss of dog
Create ceaseless
Maybe eat god essence
Can end world
Those that didn't get the pure ritual weren't as strong as their potential
We dunno
xeroc focuses on matters outside of the planet
Maybe xeroc wont interfere with the planet itself and only stop outside threats
only time he’s ever gotten involved is when we found the terminus
Which may be why he didnt stop dragons dying
It was a issue the planet had not one caused by outside forced
do you think that the xeroc boss fight is gonna be the end of calamity
Yes
It could end before they get to xeroc and noxus
i wanna see the outside forces that xeroc deals with
surely not
Yharim may be the furthes boss in calamity, they will only make the other two if people are assed to by then
Silva < Shakidou < Calamitas/Exo Mechs < Yharim ~ Zeratros < Noxus < Prime Moon Lord < Xeroc
we will only meet noxus
we ain’t gonna spar xeroc?
i meant about the outside forces part
how much longer until yharim is released
If the boss fight is added then it will be a spar
When the rest of the mod is good
ohh
So
Xeroc steals our noxus kill 😔
Once they rework literally all of calamity
Yharim could be the final boss for the devs
imo it doesn’t even need that much reworking
have you ever noticed about how everything in calamity is kinda low quality right now
It does need a lot
The devs completely disagree with you then
the bosses, enemies, biomes, everything
A lot is like 5+ years old
ofc everything could be better but so much of it is still pretty awesome right now
but certain bosses are outdated
calamity in its current state is kinda mid imo
Post moon lord is a boss rush they are gonna try and fix that
The devs think a lot of it rn is kinda mid at best
but the astral infection and the underworld are both pretty fleshed out
compared to other mods all it has going for it is the ost and the quantity
they are not
Astral infection and fleshed out
the astral is very shallow
Not to the degree calamity devs want
Chat were azafure worshipping John ravager when yharim was happening
uhhh idk
The sunken sea is becoming like 4 biomes and becoming much larger
what more could they add to them both though
we just know the temple was nearby
Make the crags have tiers of entry is planned
Do fucking anything for the astral its in need of more
Like beating brimmy unlocks more then just the outside iirc
improved enemies (code and sprites) for both areas, structures that show how deus was connected to terraria, the entire ruined city that the crags contains, etc
not gonna see yharim boss fight until im as old as yharim
they’re gonna make all of azafure?
the astral is very undeveloped to the point that its really no different from the evil biomes
most of it
that’s insane
there’s gonna be so many portals in the world though because they can’t really make the actual world bigger
Only distortion and aerie will be subworlds
I don't know if it will have as much content as the sunken sea overhaul will, but yah (I think it won't all be in one or two updates either like the sunken sea one was planned to be before they made this part too big)
sso is 25% sunken sea 75% overhaul
Heck the part 2 might even just be split up into other updates as they go
how long until the sunken sea overhaul gets released
I mean the biome overhaul parts specifically not the rest
I don't know how crags will compare size wise
give it another 3ish years at this current rate

thats a bit much imo
5 Fargo seconds
Oh thats very generous
i was expecting like 5+
Yeah imo like 7+
surely not 7+ that’s almost a decade
imagine if terraria bought calamity mod and they had the same studios they’d make so much money
never gonna happen though
Must’ve die earlier than other gods
Sunken sea overhaul
Acid rain rework
Brimstone crags overhaul
Astral rework
Profaned biome (maybe)
Perennial biome (maybe)
Distortion subworld and likely its own inbuilt system
Yharim and aerie update
Thats all the vaguely planned stuff to be added iirc (some could happen at same time as another tho i think?)
how are they gonna fit that into one world
half of those are biome overhauls, they realistically wont expand the biome at all (except for the sunken sea and crags but they have enough space around them to expand)
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The underground is big and vast
Two of those are also subworlds so yah
that too
the distortion subworld and aerie subworld
but azafure for example how could they expand that
the underworld
Take up more of hell
theres a lot of empty space
Just take up more underworld not like it needs to take up the entire bottom part
hell is famous for being repeating structures that dont really have anything except for shadow chests
said buildings are also obsidian boxes
they should make it a bit higher too though
also shame we’ll never see dm dokuro make a theme for yharim’s boss fight
^
Genuinely like so much of hell is just ash blocks
Eh the other music makers are good
And they got a while to get better
The guy still makes songs
ik but the stuff he made was very different to his calamity work
also he’s been gone a while
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*he was gone a while
Dm dokuro made such cool music man
I listen to the two calamity songs like every day atp
Wdym "the two calamity songs"
i think there were more than 2
THE two calamity songs
roar of jungle dragon and universal collapse
only calamity songs that exist
I meant stained brutal calamity and raw unfiltered calamity
what about the 2 songs from the calamity biome 
I pause the game while bosses are alive to listen to the song occasionally and to put it into tries
*tiers
Because I want to experience the songs in game before judging them
What does signs do actually?
Signus?
Does it just go up to gods and say "my dad is gonna eat you have a good day"
Yes. Autocorrect sucks
Signus doesnt seem to work for noxus iirc
The title in game is envoy if the devourer
title's outdated
Thats old lore snd was meant to be removed ages ago
the distortion bastards aren't really related to DoG anymore beyond also being from the distortion
Ok
Signus is just his own thing, i believe it's been mentioned that he has the potential to become an entity similar to noxus in the future
...whatever the hell that entails
signus isn't a worm no
Yeah signus is closer to the same type of being as noxus
Ok
Looks like one from what can be seen from under the robe thing
Teeth
And a tail thing
he's like a weird fucked up tentacle shadow monster
Where are the other mouths
Then
somewhere under the cloak
Can someone send the resprite
seemingly he doesn't have much of a concrete, solid form
not quite?
slime but extraterrestrial and eldritch and not rly slime
slimes don't really change that much
they usually at least roughly stick to their droopy ball-esque shape
signus is much more amorphous than that
Imagine being the slime god
Like bruh
God of gluttony it some shi
Who wants to be that
It did
nah that's correct
Domains change when ascending
Except for 2 gods
Seems as if it was the only one left
but (most) domains are changed when their auric soul is absorbed
Providence is goddess of ash but ate fire dragon
gluttony -> slime, flame -> ash, death -> sacrifice etc
Or well is 99% likely to be ash
Only xeroc and silva kept the same domain but theyre outliers
then yharon would be free to sulk in the ruins of the world for the rest of time
and yharim would... idk take up beekeeping or something
We will learn eventually once cei does the side story dedicated to that iirc
i don't imagine he had much of a life outside of the crusade so i imagine he'd feel a bit lost without that purpose
yes
yeah but he doesnt have just one body
Draedon is a super intelligent ai
well he can decide just how big he wants to be by making a drone body that's smaller or bigger
Dont apply biological being rules to it
Damn
but the one he uses during the fight is simply that big
so that one is just particularly big (or small depending on his other bodies)
A small Draedon npc would be amazing
Eh the guy has no need
i don't think he'd have much of a reason to be an npc
Draetalk is right there
Ok but who finds the Draedon hologram speech found in the lab funny as hell
"plasma is hot no touch"
It is like 18xx it makes sense
Desert scourge getting stubby legs os peak
fromsoft games are dreary and everything sucks and the world is ending and all that but it still has its moments of goofiness
like patches' entire existence or the guardian ape shitting in its hand and flinging the shit at you or radahn having a tiny little gooby ass horse he rides around named leonard that's a third of his size
plenty of comedy to go around even in a serious narrative
cal would do well with more things like that methinks
don't worry there'll be plenty of that in some of the normal town npc dialogue
i have to write funny things sometimes, at bare minimum
to keep myself same
such as
It’s funny to think that I used to have the audacity to think that dad going by “Permafrost” was kind of lame when I called some of my spells things along the lines of “Hellblast” and “Gigablast”, and thinking they sounded like the coolest things ever. I’ve thought about coming up with new names, but after well over a decade, it’d feel wrong at this point.
cal calling permafrost her dad
wholesome 100
now i'm imagining permafrost with a "the dad that stepped up" shirt
cnaonizing the fact that her spell names all sound like a 14 year old named them
because a 14 year old named them

that's pretty good
31*
dread....
said 14 year old being herself when she was like 14

i also tried to write in some dialogue about how she used to be one of those teenagers who was like
"haha yes i love dark humor"
racism
but i couldnt find a way to make it flow well
so it got cut
it would be funny if permafrost would tell little anecdotes about cal doing edgy teenager shit in her youth
"Haha yes I love dark humor"
Commits genocide against fish
Dangit now I'm imagining her with like that one hairstyle where it hangs over one eye
Yeah i see her being like that in the past
"I stumbled on a crate full of her old clothes recently and remembered how she used to wear all black"
"I never had the heart to tell her but I'm glad she changed her style, it did not suit her at all."
funny
cause discord added gradient roles
Ohh wait we got them now lol
why do mods have a gradient role that is actually not a gradient and just glows like one
yall need gradiance
Whaur
hover your mouse over a moderator's green username
i'm glowing
it glows, like gradient roles do
Im mobiling it
but the color isn't a gradient
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your kind knows nothing but melon
idk i personally don't really care that much
Can we have lea channel here
shot all glorps in the upper layers, and yet remain gunning
containment must not be breached
do it or i will remove valstrax's legs
that's fucked up
Yes
Mods name me LEA CHANNEL please
I support lea channel existing
lea discussion
Yes please
Lea channel
olé
P(lea)se
Chat what material in calamity would make the best battery (ignore auric and the prisms they’re obvious)
Thats why
My amazing auric armour design that generates infinite electricity with a single pebble of auric
assuming auric can still reject the pebble after shattering it into any amount or size, the main thing to worry about here would become if auric can just keep rejecting things or if it will run out of energy
If former, Draedon should've taken notes way earlier
wulfrum
peauric
Uhh the way i thought it works is that the auric is held in a small box thing on a belt where a sturdy metal rod is pushed to contact with it, rejecting the rod and causing electricity to flow through it to the armour
The rod will eventually wear out from the constant rejection and has to be replaced by another
The electricity flows to another thing on the belt that cools/resists the power so that it doesnt go overboard and auric springlock the user
The electricity then goes to a super cool conductive fiber thing that the user wears under the armour (the armour plates itself on top are mock auric) that lets the user control the electricity but doesnt actually let the rejection touch the user (although it’s prototype so gotta be careful lmfao)
Doesnt make sense prolly but i think i made it work somewhat!!
"Yharon would often put me under his right wing and would talk to me of the various 'nefarious' gods he has defeated. It used to be so awe-inspiring back then, but really? He was full of shit."
i wanted to somehow fit "pipeline" in there but didnt know how to
Reject WHAT
five of them...
i still don't get it
Five pebbles is a rain world character
I'm guessing not a particularly nice fella?
Idk havent played
A bit grumpy if anything
green
Lasagna teto solos
GREEN RATHALOS
green fellatalis high diffs
no that's his grandpa
grathalos
green fellatalis
i reached 54k omni...
my new farm works perfectly...
about 30 killed per second
😭
what? she killed me twice, she deserves all 100k kills
why do you have 2 calamiti
for some reason my drunk princess was replaced with one.
i just really hate this stupid green bee
it is a giraffe not a bee stupid
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Ah yes lore discussion
we're discussing lore in cst rn
Yharim... I remember your calamities
I know what you are Yharim
Calamitas, I remember youre incineration
Is Draedon a gamer girl?
they've canonically played at least 3 videogames
forgot which ones
not necessarily a girl but at least a gamer
oh my god pronoun gun syndrome is spreading
Factorio
speak of the devil
What

draedon uses any pronouns
Draedon comes out as non-binary which is Ironic
Gorthus
nomon
technically yeah ig but hes also exclusively referenced to as he ingame so /shrug
i agree
gorth
She sea on my sunken til I gorth
Bad stipulate
gorthus yaoi
she sunken on my gorth til i sea
canon
She Thanatos on my Ares till I Artemis & Apollo
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salmuttobreabittlecochicarrochopie pie cake
eaten
my apologies but i dont speak this language
NOOOOO
😋
ROULXS KAARD?
PURE EVIL
supreme calamitas: kills me 27 times
me: kalm
plague bringer goliath: kills me twice
me: anggr
or you could say they are Ironic, heh
(idk what draedon body was made with so i assume its iron)
wulfrum
What are the names of the gods we know for sure? I know Providence, Xeroc, Noxus(formerly Goozma), and Silva, but are there any others we have names for
noxus is not a god, providence isnt actually her name
Oh. I’m dumb okay
Noxus isn't a god, so scratch that out
I think one was called Otonilou? And there was another one i can't remember.
But they're both sunken sea
I’ll just make up names then. No more stealing god names from calamity. For now.
so the ones we do know are
xeroc, silva, otonilou, tyrian, and thats it i think (?)
Tyrian?
god of the sea
Oh
never say that again...
Just a undead construct calamitas made to serve her
We dunno where the bodies come from but safe to say its from dead people !
sending you to the sun
oh thanks that's really nice of you
emo strawberry
by drop kick
sometimes i wonder if i should say the "lore" that cei told me about calamitas in roydev
here
is it allowed to be public
i almost felt like saying it when i saw cei posted this specific cal dialogue here
well if you get terminated it's on you xd
important calamitas lore drop
i wasn't joking when i said calamitas is literally me
i just think it's really funny .
welcome to clamaity mod
its me calamitas calamity mod
how is it like to be aroace 
well i'm one of those things atleast
its me. jane calamity mod
Hi cheese how are you
i'm doing good :D
holy shit you are just Calamitas
they should hire you for the live action movie
Where Yharim is Jack Black
oh i just missed the scammer
mr beast buy
first we geno then we cide let's genocide
I imagine someone has made this exact joke about Jack Black Chara
no beacuse jack black is sans undertale
I knew it
I had a really weird dream once where Jack black was very visibly part of it, being basically in his Steve outfit but in the style of a spaceship crew member
How did Yharon plan to revive the dragons if their souls no longer exist?
i had a vision where there was a calamity movie with adam sandler as the terrarian, chris pratt as the guide, and jack black as permafrost
I don’t think he did
Or maybe he was hoping someone would find a way to separate the auric souls from the godly souls
Pretty sure “bring back the age of dragons” just refers to putting yharon in charge of the world
Yea I imagine the primary goal was just to take revenge on the gods
Also mandatory asking for lea channel
maybe it has something to do with yharon being the dragon of rebirth
Yharon cant rebirth dragons if they get used for god ascension
Because their soul gets destroyed basically
what did yharim do with the essences of the gods? not counting the DoG and the wall of flesh.
legally would it be possible to tear the combined god to pieces and stitch together the remaining fragment of the souls to recreate an auric soul
Left it to fester (pre hardmode crimson and corruption)
No
that's all?
They are entire ecosystems controlled by the essence
Either on purpose or because he didn’t know what would happen, he just left it there
At some point it was on purpose
i remember something was said about their absorption
I tend to imagine he must’ve known what happens when a god dies because surely some of the gods managed to kill each other before the crusade started right
he called it a mistake in the corruption lore item so i assume to an extent he didn't know what would happen
With how disorganized and spread out they were I doubt that there weren’t conflicts between different god-controlled territories
it could well have been hidden from everyone
By who
The clentaminator was made by a normal person i doubt yharim who had mother fucking draedon cant find a way to at least contain the essence
by gods?
The gods weren’t one giant organization or anything
Just mostly individuals ascending and continuing to do their own thing
Seems a bit weird for some of them to inexplicably try to hide what happens when a god dies
why not?
Theres not really a reason and not every god would want to
maybe gods could absorb other gods once dead that would explain why there's such a gap in power between gods
Not that we know of
Gods just vary a lot in power and so did dragons
Godly essence kinda just explodes when the god dies
before the crusade, ordinary people knew about dragons?
It’s not condensed the same way an auric soul is
I can’t imagine they wouldn’t
I dont see why some wouldnt
Prob not everyone due to it being history but yeah some def would
we see beings like DoG able to eat gods so it wouldn't be impossible and it would explain why corruption and crimson are considered such a surprise to yharim(i'm just speculating)
Dog doesnt absorb essence for power
he does eat them
yea
Yea but he doesn’t destroy the essence
He can’t
He eats it and then disposes of it… somehow
Yes
And the fact the guy resists infection of the essence is not normal
necromancy exists because ppl tried to recreate the rebirthing stuff
yeah i'm not saying he destroys the essence i'm just saying he contains them after eating
Nobody really knows how
No he doesnt
It vanished
fair
(Likely to noxus)
i phrased that wrong
that is, people knew who the gods were?
the strange thing is that in the time that has passed since dragon's genocide, no one expect Yharim has dared to fight them
Well yharim had the help of a cool magic dragon so he had a bit of a good start
you think everyone who remembers just chooses not to fight because they don't have the power to and everyone who doesn't remember just can't fight
cuz they don't know
That or people just dont really care about someone doing a bad thing 7-8 centuries ago
If it is bad
Cause not all dragons are good
i like to think of it as an old testament god thing: he kinda wiped out the world with a flood and committed mass genocide under his name but you can't exactly fight god
it think in order to strengthen control they had to hide all mentions of dragons
The gods arent one central leading body
its in their interests
Otonilou and tyrian ruled together but they have no partnering with others
Not if the dragon was evil
there is no official answer?
We dont know all couple thousand gods and their personalities and history so idk
i thought that dragons were like gods for the people of that time. There were no evil ones there
Not all gods are evil and not all dragons are good its not black and white
The dragons were more ordered due to having an actual king
But that doesnt stop the possibility of one of the dragons being evil
We know flame dragon kinda sucked if i remember correctly but idk if much more then that is known
were they literally like gods or were they just a separate species and people made them gods themselves?
To be a god in calamity you have to have absorbed a auric soul in the ascension ritual so every god used to be a sapient mortal being
i mean god not as in calamity but as a concept
Some Dragons were worshiped and so were some gods if thats what your asking
ok, thanks for the conversation anyway
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i think im a little confused in the lore
calamity lore is very different from vanilla lore which makes it even more terrifying
reminds me of fnaf lore but at least its logical and understandable
i think comparing any narrative to fnaf lore is like the biggest possible insult you could give it
what are you confused about anyways, i can try explaining
To preface
Dragons ruled over earth for a long time, yes
They were the dominant species
but that does not necessarily mean they were fully benevolent. We know not all dragons were good guys. Yharim tells you they were because he's incredibly biased and sees thing purely in black and white - Gods bad, Dragons good. But in reality it's far more nuanced than that
Also another thing to note - Gods, as previously said, were not a organized group of individuals working together. While the Dragons had a king that ruled over them, Gods were all mostly independent from eachother. Think of each god that ruled a specific kingdom or area as the leader of a nation - They are fully independent, but may partner or oppose another nation if they choose to.
There was no "Leader" to the gods. And due to this, different gods would have vastly different goals and motives - And, ultimately, some of them would be cruel and ruthless, as seen with Providence, while others would be caring and benevolent, as seeen with Otonilou, the deceased goddess of Electricity, that ruled over Illmeris, a underwater city which used to be in the Sunken Sea, before being destroyed.
-# kingdom not city?
me and my gang killing the flame dragon with righteous fury
me and the gang killing everyone
Providence has the correct idea
Just kill everyone
there's this thing that has been bugging me: what happens to Auric Armor if the soul it's attuned to shatters/gets destroyed?
auric armour isnt attuned to a soul
its just that people who are attuned dont get rejected by it
isn't Yharim's Armor attuned to Yharon's soul?
i always thought the armor has to be attuned
Our armour is mock attuned so we can use it
-# jammed yharon soul frags into the metal so it stops all rejection on anything from auric
grunklestein
Would prime Archmage frozen man beat (in game) SCAL
Isnt permafrost in his lore article supposed to be unfathomably combat smart
Well actually theoretically he could've been stronger in the past? But he isn't a fighter
He's a tactician, manager, diplomat
Doesnt mean you can stop a nuclear bomb
Freeze it solid midair 🧌
Bad example
He is smart but scal is just overkill in power
Granted he isnt a massivly able FIGHTER
But with prep time
Given he KNOWS he has to fight her
this isnt a hood jumping
she isnt stupid
"prep time" is the dumbest argument ever dawg it can be applied to literally everyone
permafrost is much faster and can freeze his opponents
Give both characters the awareness that theyre going to fight
Scal wins, yes perma is much smarter but when your opponent can vaporise your general direction your fucked
Permafrost wins as he can formulate like the most 100% foolproof plan
just realised this will fly under the radar for most people
to win
Not sure, leave that up to him
How is he gonna foolproof a plan to stop scals raw power
🧌
Isnt he mentioned to be able to make creations
I.E cryogen being like his own creation
Given the knowledge he has to fight SCAL
yes... so can cal...
could he not make some
yep
like
Sepulcher vs 1 cryoboy

scal is literally just. stronger than permafrost.
not to mention the other stuff she has made
like the uh
calamity eyes i think?
or was it soul slurpers
idk
it was one of those thingys
permafrost's only way of winning against scal is grounding her for being a rebellious teenager and telling her if she keeps up this behavior he wont take her to the theaters to watch jurassic park next week
TRUUUEEEEEE
Tells her off
power of the adult
Anyway who is SCals ''master''
I swear she says like
Or Draedon
didnt he create her
The boss dialogue is outdatedp
calamitas is just a Person
Thats calclone he made
Ah
she wasn't created by anyone
yeah, that was calclone
Calamitas used to be a part of Yharim's army long ago but she left
She's currently 27ish ingame
And she left the army when she wasn't even an adult
so a pretty long while ago, probably around 10 years
Right
So she WAS just a soldier
who kinda
quit
then went on a whole ass villain arc
no the villain arc was her being the soldier
no
So her in yharims army is just like
shes not godlike or a overlord
pure tyrant
shes just kinda living in a cave
How is a 14 year old gonna be a tyrant
By slauightering races
ofc
give any teen
Infinite power
they become a tyrant
Thats not being a tyrant thats just being a murderer
she was a child soldier who was manipulated into doing some bad things until at one point she realized "oh shit wait im horrible actually" so she left the army and now she really really hates yharim for having manipualted her at a young age right after she was in her most vulnerable (having lost her biological family) to do atrocities in his name
She left the army cause of guilt catching up to her
the villain arc is her being in the army
Right
So shes just some victim who was immensely powerful
and got used to butcher the masses
She did some very horrible things and isn't innocent in any way but in a way she is also a victim and she fights you specifically because she suspects you're going to be another Yharim and wants to cut the evil down before it takes its roots
As th efight goes on she decides to have faith you'll be better than him and gives up
Doesnt the brimstone elemental like full counter SCAL in her yharim phase I swear in the B.E lore it states they were like ''perfectly matched'' or sumn
Right so shes like
She thinks were another evil tyrant
i got the joke
😁
Thats before she joined yharim
Isnt it when he sends her to eradicate hell
Scal got her powers from the brimstone elemental, in some way
Brimmy attacked Azafure (Underworld city scal lived in)
In a desperate attempt to protect her family, scal tried fighting back, but got a sudden massive surge of power for currently unknown reasons, all we know is that hte powers derived from the elemental
Due to how much power had suddenly been injected into her she couldnt control it in the slightest (Keep in mind she was probably like 11-13 at this point) and probably was barely conscious
That didn't happen
No thats old lore
Old lore
oh
Right
So B.E wakes up and torches her home city
Azafure was her home city
She had no power before brimmy awoke
Suddenly gets power when brimmy does
(azafure hell area)
And is like 10
Brimmy wakes up and then SCAL just develops the magic fucking powers
Thats gotta be the largest plothole in the mod then
Scal sponge theory
?
SCALs powers just randomly spawn in
the mod is unfinished
bc BE decides yk what you can have them
Absorbed brimmy is my theory
Who said they did
brimstone elemental was massively weakened, we know that much
she specifically was said to have uhhh, receded? idk the word
she gave up basically
Scal has post ml stats and hasnt grown in much raw power
Brimmy equalled that ages ago
Brimmy now is early hardmode
Brimmy is weaker then back then
Right
so to begin with brimmy is like
SCAL on roids
or
equal to
peak scal
then kinda just
gets old
and loses her powers
Equal to a 10 year old just given the magic
Elementals dont age
Brimstone elemental def was stronger back then but current scal is most definitely stronger than her even then
The power went to scal is what i think
I'd say, personally
that prime brimmy (the one that fought scal) was probably like, early post ml or late hardmode
right
we'll probably find out with the crags update
Its a bit of info we dont know all the pieces of but imo scal absorbing most of brimmys power is most likely
Whats the lore of the ML in the calamity mod then is it just the lunatics going crazy for cthulus brother and saving him from the moon prison
Does ML work against yharim never meet him work for him
or is he kinda just like present
Cthulhu dont exist and lunatic cultist is keeping ml trapped
he's a Something from Somewhere that appeared out of nowhere and nuked half the dragons
nobody knows what or why he is
yoooo fire lore
I love it
the state you find him in is after he got ripped apart by dragons and sealed on the moon (after killing almost all of them)
Yeahhh its all the way from back then
and even then he's pretty damn far up the ladder
ML singlehandedly was basically the catalyst for
Hes just (in game) some old ass fuck who escaped moon prison
everything that happens really
If it wasnt for ml none of calamity would've happened
Moonlord in its prime is an apocalyptic being that descended onto the planet destroying everything with help from its portable army (pillars) and not even every single auric dragon could kill the guy just trap on moon
we don't know
Draedon ML clone when
ML killed most of the dragons and basically put their king (Zeratros, dragon of primordial light) in a state where he was basically guaranteed to die
This caused the dragons to be super weakened, and people started absorbing their souls to become gods, both due to rumours of Xeroc's ascencion having spread, and also, the fact so many dragons died showed to the people of the world they weren't as unbeatable as they thought
Tbh even if Draedon COULD
i feel like he probably wouldn't
he uh. knows better.
draedon be like
hm today i will bring back the most destructive and powerful threat this world has ever seen in full force
sureloy this will have no consequences for the world

Draedon knows not to fuck with moonlord in any capacity
draedon is interesting because while he is a immoral robot, hes a immoral robot with ✨ standards ✨
The guy avoids even considering moon mining due to moonlord being on the moon somewhere
he dosen't cause destruction for the sake of destruction and tires to generally minimize the impact his research has on the world, if possible. Mostly because well, he values the world and the knowledge and resourfces he can gain from it, so he dosen't want to just needlessly destroy it
This dosen't mean he still won't fuck things up at times
But if he does, he will generally have a plan to restore things or abort his experiments if they get too destructive
Right
No one knew if moonlord was full power or crippled still
Killing lunatic cultist coulda just ended the world
Considering he like
created the sulphuric sea
by dumping his failed shit into it
Mainly just nuclear waste
Crags made it acidic
Or it was just kinda there but he like poisoned it
the sulphuric sea was already acidic yea
but he added the radioactive aprt to it
Not rly ppl but alot of animals and yeah
He did say that if he wanted to he could clean the sea if it got too bad
Yeah
But currently it's not massively affecting the ecosystem
Draedons centuries older then yharim
draedon comes from .
so he's keeping as it is
specially because well
he's interested in seeing how the organisms are reacting and evolving to the radiation n stuff
Draedon's origin is left intentionally ambiguous actually
It was a business deal
