lore-discussion

[plucky juniper]

The pattern screamer, well, screams in this position. The Nameless Son merely chuckles.

[eager bluff]

pattern screamers dont scream because they're nameless they scream because they're stuck in like 1 dimensional space and theres nothing around them

they're trapped in a completely empty extradimensional space that partially overlaps with our dimension

[solemn oxide]

Anahitas lore implies that all elementals inherently want to expand their associated domain as much as possible. Since Silva was a nature elemental who ascended to godhood, was her opposition to Yharim purely instinctual or driven by moral reasoning?

[long bloom]

probably both

[split mortar]

Silva is actually sapient unlike the others

[sinful adder]

I find it weird that the others aren't sapient

[sinful adder]

Probably the latter moreso than the former.

[long bloom]

they might be

we don't know

[split mortar]

Really?

[long bloom]

is there something explicitly saying they're not sapient?

if not then yeah

[sinful adder]

I assumed they were

[split mortar]

I dont trust yharim so im not gonna look at lore items
So
Dont think there actually is anything in game explicitly saying they arent

[scenic olive]

When do we get to kill astrum deus

I want to kill it

can he become a superboss

[real silo]

No

Deus will not die

[long bloom]

you have to fly past the space border

to get to where they are

[scenic olive]

they need to die

[real silo]

why

[scenic olive]

cuz he destroys my beautiful town by hurling the astral meteor close to my spawn

[long bloom]

woman named steampunker:

[scenic olive]

Its about sending the message

im gonna be Yharim 2.0

but instead of gods

Its cosmic entities

[long bloom]

someone edit this image to put astrum deus instead of aquatic scourge

[scenic olive]

Once the universe is almost dead i will choose a successor to finish what i started

[obsidian plume]

i do not stand for this deus hate smh

[split mortar]

The image

[calm patio]

i hate that image..

[wheat walrus]

I love it

[stoic gulch]

Can you eat it?

[faint plank]

yharim making tacos

[fickle portal]

Terraria has lore outside of Cthulhu body parts and the cultists 😭

[split mortar]

And calamity has even more

[pliant ruin]

Yea like 3 lines of it

amen

[pliant ruin]

Most definitely there was some degree of the latter

From the Gorthus QnA ™ we know silva most likely was someone who was genuinely benevolent

[burnt forge]

is wrath of the gods cannon?

[dusk laurel]

nope

[split mortar]

No addons are

[burnt forge]

oh ok

[balmy glacier]

Nilk song however is canon

[untold oracle]

posting this image here tends to have drastic consequences

[supple bluff]

Me personally, I'm aiming to be the Auric Witch. My terrarian for my current MasoDeath play through is called The New Witch because I'm going to be better than scal ever was

Damn it I finally lost my old patreon role

[split mortar]

imagine if it turns out calamitas is nicknamed calamitas cause yharim said what a calamity seeing azafure burn

its late i need sleep

[glacial rampart]

is the gorthus qna like the spamton sweepstakes

[split mortar]

Stipulate venus started roleplaying as gorthus in spoiler chat and was doing a qna

On their birthday afaik

[glacial rampart]

stips birthday or gorthus birthday

[pliant ruin]

the former

but honestly fuck it we ball it was also gorthus birthday. why? i said so.

[robust osprey]

gorthus was born that day so technically

[deft wasp]

Has goozma just been blipped out of the lore as a whole?

[pliant ruin]

yes

[dusk laurel]

for many years

the lore has been goozless

[fair token]

So whats the point of the astral infection in the story atp because it seems so disconnected from everything else

am I missing something

[spare pier]

I intend on using it mostly for worldbuilding and explaining cosmology

It is very disconnected but like

It has a reason to exist

[fair token]

I see, I guess it just feels odd for a biome that takes up significant portions of the world and has multiple bosses to just be a like "wow the universe is a big place and we're so small" type inclusion

cuz i mean im ngl from the little we hear of the infection

im more concerned about it than anything Xeroc or any of those guys could cook up

[pliant ruin]

I mean it can kinda just be destroyed at any point

It's not really that big of a threat tbh

[fair token]

isn't it implied that untold portions of the universe could already be consumed by it

[pliant ruin]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Whether other stars have been consumed by it or not dosen't really affect the actual world we play in too much

[fair token]

yeah thats kinda my point

[spare pier]

Plus it doesn't make the Infection stronger, really

[pliant ruin]

i mean yea its not meant to be a huge threat

[fair token]

Again thats my point that its largely irrelevant to the narrative thats happening but takes up so much space

[pliant ruin]

i guess that's fair

But to be fair it dosen't take much more space than any other biome in particular i don't think?

[spare pier]

The Infection to me is purely a gateway to talk about the universe outside of Terraria

[fair token]

I guess i just disagree that its worthy of taking up world space to do that

[spare pier]

That's something I actually want to solve in some capacity

But moreso because

There's just not enough fucking space man

[pliant ruin]

I mean it dosen't really take any more space than any other biome i don't think which is why idk if i agree

[fair token]

yeah like if there was so much room that you didnt know what to do with then sure

but like theres so many things that should probably exist in the world

[pliant ruin]

Like the snow biome by all means is also not relevant to the narrative at large

[fair token]

the real estate is an issue

[fair token]

a snow biome is just a normal part of a wolrd

so thats not really a fair comparison to me

[pliant ruin]

I mean in calamity's worldbuilding it isn't but i get what you mean, thats besides the point

[fair token]

its not?

[pliant ruin]

the abyss and sulphur sea would also fall under that category though no...?

Though i guess they do have connections to some pretty important cahracters

those being old duke and silva

[fair token]

sulphur sea builds up an endgame boss

[spare pier]

The tundra is a case where like, kinda impossible to justify it as just a normal thing

Ah, yes

[pliant ruin]

You could argue that astral infection works for building up Draedon but also like

He. he gets.

alot of that.

[spare pier]

The tundra in the middle of a tropical place for the most part

[fair token]

i hate that argument

its a fantasy world idc if the biomea are laid out in a logical way

[pliant ruin]

I mean

maybe you don't care but the writers do 👍

[fair token]

i got done killing an eldritch god

i cba

[pliant ruin]

And likeee

[fair token]

i mean in general in fantasy

[spare pier]

Yeah we care because nothing in our worbuilding implies something like that can happen naturally

[pliant ruin]

You can explain killing a eldritch god with magic and the established rules of the fantasy world

[fair token]

not just this story

[pliant ruin]

But there isn't really

any established rules or anything that would go

yeah snow biomes can just sorta happen in the middle of a continent with a jugnle and a desert specifically

[fair token]

yeah idk just doesnt need an explanation to me

[spare pier]

Even One Piece who is a series where the entire point of the Grand Line is that climate is super inconsistent doesn't get that nutty

[pliant ruin]

rebecca mentioned one piece

[spare pier]

You don't have a desert right next to a tundra

[fair token]

the game world is already an abstraction

[pliant ruin]

all is right in the world

[pliant ruin]

Idk i dont have a problem with it

[fair token]

i ahouls clarify it doesnt bother me in games where the world is obviously an abstraction

[pliant ruin]

Subjective i suppose

[visual kiln]

hiiiiiiiiiii

🐇

[pliant ruin]

buny

[fair token]

i also dont, i dont know where you got the idea i do

i just dont care for "please explain this snow next to the tropical area!!!" arguments

its generally be made to me by very no fun allowed type people

[pliant ruin]

i mean yea then why bring it up to begin with

[fair token]

idk thats like how conversations work

[sage crown]

just gonna drop this here

[pliant ruin]

I mean i dunno its just odd to me

like

"we did this"
"i hate when people do this"

[visual kiln]

what if astral always hits snow specifically as foreshadowing for this conversation

[real glen]

something something dragon aerie in fogs
very wip tho

[pliant ruin]

though also i'm incredibly tired and i've actively been more argumentative in this discord specifically lately so maybe i should go sleep

[fair token]

so like

[pliant ruin]

calamity mod discord does shit to you

[fair token]

whats the origin anyways

[sage crown]

I miss when the astral always landed between dungeon and sulphurous sea

[fair token]

i dont think anyone said

[spare pier]

Completely natural biome formation

[sage crown]

permafrost made the tundra because he no like warm

[fair token]

ok that's funny

[sage crown]

correct

[fair token]

i like it

[spare pier]

It's not that

Well

It's part of it

[sage crown]

completely natural, my world just decided to slap the ice next to a desert

[spare pier]

But Permafrost didn't make it alone

[fair token]

its not some weirdly complicated explanation clearly

which is when i dislike that kind of thing

[spare pier]

The tundra was around before Permafrost came in, Ice Claspers might've been a part of why it happened

And then Permafrost showed up and said "I can make it colder"

And then he made it colder

[sage crown]

ice clasper lore relevance 🔥

also just realized each essence kinda corresponds to a big character in lore

[fair token]

~~one nitpick scissors is that an ice biome next to a desert isnt nesscarilly a nonsensical thing ~~

but im nitpicking

[visual kiln]

antarctica

[sage crown]

eleum permafrost, havoc calamitas, and sunlight yharim

[spare pier]

Xeroc is right there

[fair token]

what does sunlight have to do with yharim

[spare pier]

[sage crown]

you get it in the sky

dude is in the sky with his dragon

[fair token]

is he?

[sage crown]

I'm just thinking areas not anything deeper

[fair token]

I thought he was on a mountain

[sage crown]

ok if it's that still fuckin high ass mountain

wait hold up

while this chat's actually active

I'm gonna say my hot take that Yharim is less redeemable than Draedon

[fair token]

power scaling horrific people again are we

[sage crown]

oh yeah

[fair token]

theyre both scum who deserve fates worse than death its not really a factor in my mind lmao

[sage crown]

draedon's just a silly guy

[real glen]

judging
any ideas where snow, desert, jungle, astral should be located

[fair token]

petition to give yharon an extra death everytime hes reborn for every culture yharim killed in his name

whos with me

[sage crown]

I think the single biggest thing in the lore that makes me hate him most is everything regarding Silva

[calm patio]

yeah thats me

[sage crown]

girl was basically one of the most benevolent deities and he butchered her and sent her corpse to the bottom of the sea to rot, then has the gall to say she's the one twisting life in the abyss into her domain, not only that but he also basically gave Draedon the okay to then pollute the sea ever further because he already fucked it up AND so did Azafure

[real silo]

yharim did not fuck up the sea

That is old lore

azafure and draedon did

and yharim was born like 1700 years after azafure

[sage crown]

so he didn't dump Silva's corpse into the abyss, or?

[real silo]

He did but that wasn't related to sulphur sea

[sage crown]

abyss is directly beneath it

which is what I'm getting at

[real silo]

thumby

[sage crown]

Abyss is definitely affected by Silva, and I wouldn't be surprised if the reason the things like nuclear terrors are even capable of living is also because of her remains

[deft wasp]

Is there any chance of the goozgoat making a return?

[split mortar]

No

They were replaced by noxus years before the lore rewrite

[deft wasp]

Ooooh

Makes sense

[sage crown]

nope, download Hunt of the Old God if you wanna fight Goozma

cal addon

[robust osprey]

noxus? that sure is a weird slime!

[split mortar]

Chat whats the lore for moonlords drops

Chat is the meowmere canon

[hybrid barn]

Focus got ahold of a few specks of shadowspec, then sprinkled them onto a bunch of random weapons

[long bloom]

focus

[dense lynx]

So is torch god like fake god or non cannon being

[cloud ibex]

nobody nose

might be an actual god, might just be an UFT (Unidentified Fucking Thing)

personally i like to imagine it's actually a carbon monoxide induced hallucination from inhaling all those torch fumes in an enclosed space

[dense lynx]

Yharim has no reason to fight false gods and left them be.

[long bloom]

it's canon but almost definitely not a god

just an entity

[stoic gulch]

Why didn’t the skeleton have anyone to go with on prom night

Cuz he was FAT, UGLY and NOBODY liked him

[cloud ibex]

how can he be fat if he was a skeleton

your story doesn't add up

[stoic gulch]

It was a reference

Smh my head

[robust osprey]

sans is fat

[buoyant junco]

yeah well Sans > Yharim

[long bloom]

@silent crane LOOK

it's right here

fuck wrong person

[robust osprey]

who did you ping

[random mulch]

lmfao

[robust osprey]

who is this mac person

[long bloom]

what

dog never did that

what are you talking about

[random mulch]

yharim believed that gods were complicit in genocide long before DoG rolled up

[long bloom]

about 80 years before

[silent crane]

old lore i think?

[long bloom]

also what do braelor and statis have to do with anything

[silent crane]

They protected her

[random mulch]

no?

[long bloom]

what fucking video did you watch man

[random mulch]

braelor and statis fought yharim but that was fairly recent and after silva was already chucked into the abyss

[long bloom]

"fairly recent" less than a year ago

[silent crane]

-"She didn't kill dragons, she's just a spirit of nature"
-"Don't lie to me, DoG already told me the whole truth"

[random mulch]

dafuq are you talking about

[robust osprey]

she did absorb an auric soul

[long bloom]

neither of those lines are in the game

[random mulch]

that interaction never happened

[long bloom]

where did you find those

[robust osprey]

yharim wouldnt believe DoG that much

[long bloom]

put them back

[robust osprey]

dog is a dirty liar

[silent crane]

Until recently, I was guided by the lore from 5 years ago

[robust osprey]

he would believe his dragon bestie tho

[glacial rampart]

[silent crane]

The old lore was more exciting in my opinion

[robust osprey]

it sucked

[random mulch]

old lore was boring as shit

yharim wasnt even an actual character

just evil tyrant man

[long bloom]

it was more exciting if you were 7 years old

[robust osprey]

"the souls of demon and angels after a war created this yuri goddess" ??????

[random mulch]

never elaborated on

[real silo]

ok tbf provi was not yuri until new lore

[random mulch]

old lore was just a jumbled and edgy mess

[real silo]

The guardians were not people in old lote

[long bloom]

okay look
in the pins of this channel, there's a google doc with all the canon lore and only the canon lore
so go read that

[real silo]

They were just constructs like all the other profaned stuff

[long bloom]

everything not in that doc is garbage

unless it was said by a dev sometime in the past year

[silent crane]

Yharim started hunting gods, DoG joined him and taught him to absorb the power of gods. DoG lied to Yharim that Silva was also a god, although in fact she was just a spirit of nature, Stathis and Braelor, as the only ones who understood this, stood up for her, and DoG ate them. Meanwhile, Calamitas drowned Silva in the Sulphurous Sea with her own hands and she was left lying in the Abyss.
And the current lore... mehh

boring

[random mulch]

that's not old lore

that's just fanfiction

[silent crane]

So it turns out I was deceived all this time?

[random mulch]

yes

[silent crane]

bo-womp

[random mulch]

go read up on the current lore for once

[long bloom]

yeah none of that happened ever

[silent crane]

I've already read it, it wasn't that exciting.

[random mulch]

how much did you read

[silent crane]

all

[long bloom]

and from where

[silent crane]

from official document

[long bloom]

the one in this channel?

[silent crane]

yup

[long bloom]

so you're just being stupid on purpose then

[silent crane]

i got it

[long bloom]

why say blatantly false things

[silent crane]

Now I'm sad

Silva was never a martyr, she deserved her terrible fate

cuz she killed a dragon

[real silo]

too early to say that

we don't even know what she did

for all we know the dragon gave up her own soul for silva

Could have I mean

[silent crane]

rly?

oh

[real silo]

It's a possibility

[long bloom]

i know..

[real silo]

Point is we have no fucking clue if silva is actually evil fucked up dragonkiller or not

[real silo]

You smell

Sorry to say

[long bloom]

i just got out of the shower 10 minutes ago

try harder

[silent crane]

I hope not.

[dusk laurel]

edited message

[real silo]

Just got outta the shower but still smelly

🥀

[silent crane]

It would be great if Silva was thrown into the abyss by mistake, or by DoG's lie

[long bloom]

dog never lied about that

he lied about many things, but not about silva

[silent crane]

• a reason for Yharim to be ashamed of his mistakes because he believed the Serpent

[random mulch]

yharim's not ashamed of what he did in the slightest

[long bloom]

he has like

[silent crane]

So what is this Depression that is mentioned in the song?

[long bloom]

the biggest pride boner ever

[random mulch]

he's sad his crusade's gone and that he didnt brutally kill every god

[robust osprey]

DoG is sure an eulogy for the ego

[long bloom]

he's sad he can't finish killing the gods

bc they're hiding

[cloud ibex]

his war crimes didn't work as well as he hoped

[robust osprey]

his war crimes werent criminal enough

[silent crane]

Because of losing wars? As for me, it's not enough

[random mulch]

he did kinda dedicate most of his life to the effort

[long bloom]

what

what does this mean

[random mulch]

thinks his life's goal not being reached isnt enough reason for someone to be sad

[silent crane]

I think there must be several reasons for Tyrant to become depressed.

[random mulch]

he's got about a decade to live left with 0 support and 1 ally

[robust osprey]

bro started at ~30 and finished at ~130

[random mulch]

his life's mission and the thing he worked so hard for close to a century for has failed

[robust osprey]

his whole purpose in life wasnt fully fulfilled

[silent crane]

Okay, I think I believe it now.

[long bloom]

👍

[silent crane]

👍

I hope Silva got that auric soul without getting her hands dirty with blood.

[long bloom]

you can find out if you give the devs 20 dollars

[random mulch]

and also you get other stuff about future content that isnt accessible to everyone who isnt a member

[silent crane]

What a pity, I live in a third world country

[long bloom]

oof

[silent crane]

I want to give them money, but I can't.

[real silo]

Start grinding

[long bloom]

unfortunately i am honor bound to not leak things

[silent crane]

I have money, but the sanctions don’t allow it

[long bloom]

wonder if a vpn could work

[silent crane]

For this process, you also need to somehow open an e-wallet, somehow transfer money there.
This is too complicated for me. I can handle the lore, but not the restrictions

[real silo]

Passenger pigeon

[silent crane]

Now, with the realization that the lore I was guided by is unofficial, my brain has cooled down a bit, but now I'm sad

[long bloom]

understandable

there will be more braelor/statis/silva lore in the future

so that's cool

[random mulch]

the lore we have rn is a fairly small bit of the entire thing

next update is gonna give us a lot more

[long bloom]

not about braelor/statis/silva tho

about ilmeris

and possibly calamitas

[young socket]

amidias...

he will talk about

things

[silent crane]

And much more that we don't know about yet

[jaunty marsh]

What exactly IS the empress of light according to cal lore

Is she like

A gos

God*

Or sm else

[random mulch]

not a god

[jaunty marsh]

Is she like

An elemental?

[random mulch]

wouldve probably been mentioned

we dont really know exactly what she is

[jaunty marsh]

Yea idk

[silent crane]

At least Yharim wrote a couple of lines about her, unlike the Martians

[jaunty marsh]

She’s just kinda there

True lol

[young socket]

if she was a god or elemental, yharim def wouldve said so

[jaunty marsh]

She might just be

Strong hallowed creature

[jaunty marsh]

But I feel like she’s too powerful to just be dumbed down to that

[lament jetty]

Nether star

[young socket]

yharim says that he tried killing eol so it prob existed before the hallow

[lament jetty]

Are the goals of the evil biomes still the same?/do they have the same lore as vanilla?

[jaunty marsh]

I mean she still is defenetly connected to the hallow somehow tho

[young socket]

throw out any vanilla lore

u dont need it

[lament jetty]

So uhh what's the lore for the evil biomes

[jaunty marsh]

Like how a strum deus existed for millennia but is still connected to astral infection

[young socket]

essence of slain gods change the environment

[random mulch]

corruption / crimson are the remnants of evil gods that yharim killed but never actually cleaned up

yharim did clean up the essence of the good gods and stuffed them into the wall of flesh, and when you kill the wall of flesh this essence becomes the hallowed

[lament jetty]

So I mean, EoL could just be the gathered energy from the slain god of the Hallow
Guessing from how bright/colorful the Hallow is, that's probably where EoL got it from

But I Def am weong

[random mulch]

yharim directly states that she gets her strength from channeling primordial light

[jaunty marsh]

So she’s like

Xeroc but without the god soul

[long bloom]

no

she's several orders of magnitude weaker

[lament jetty]

That's pushing it

[long bloom]

their primordial light is like a 5 michelin star wagyu burger vs a mcdonalds burger that's been in the sewer for 40 years

[jaunty marsh]

So a veeeeery diluted version of it

Got it

[lament jetty]

But there could still be a possibility of EoL not having primordial light, but just like light

[long bloom]

no

it's primordial light

[random mulch]

directly stated as primordial light

[long bloom]

read the lore item

[lament jetty]

Which one 😭

[long bloom]

king slimes

obviously

[random mulch]

the one about the empress of light....

[jaunty marsh]

If it’s primordial light, how come she’s so much stronger during the day?

[lament jetty]

I see 2 answers

[jaunty marsh]

There’s no evidence that the sun has any primordial light

[random mulch]

because the sun is shining brighter

[long bloom]

that's the primordial light part

[long bloom]

what

.

[random mulch]

one is sarcasm

[long bloom]

the sun is literally made entirely of primordial light

what the fuck are you talking

[jaunty marsh]

Stars in the verse are just clumps of mana no?

[long bloom]

the sun isn't a star

it's different

[jaunty marsh]

Ah ok

[long bloom]

primordial light is definitionally just sunlight

[young socket]

yharons bestiary entry confirms primordial light is sunlight

[jaunty marsh]

Ok so the sun is different

[lament jetty]

So do plants/microorganisms just get super buffed cuz of photosynthesis

[long bloom]

they can't channel it so no

[lament jetty]

What's the void rip thingy (the one where DoG came out), can you give me a brief explanation

[long bloom]

the distortion?

[random mulch]

ceaseless void is a portal to the distortion

[long bloom]

it's effectively another dimension

it's not but it might as well be

[random mulch]

will be added in a future update

[long bloom]

evil fucked up space subworld

where signus, dog, storm weaver and noxus live

noxus is the dominant entity and controls basically every living thing in there

[lament jetty]

How come DoG hasn't eaten storm weaver/signus

[long bloom]

no reason to

also i imagine signus is a slippery bastard

[random mulch]

DoG's biology makes no sense (cause DoG was probably created by noxus)

[lament jetty]

Nobody makes sense atp

[random mulch]

distortion is a fucked up eldritch dimension that doesnt care about our rules

[jaunty marsh]

Bc they work for him I think

[long bloom]

draedon says dog's body and internal workings are incomprehensible

[random mulch]

like it having an elastic metal

[long bloom]

no

that's old lore

[jaunty marsh]

Ok mb

[long bloom]

they're just there now

[lament jetty]

Okay case closed
If someone like Draedon Can't understand something, only beings greater than it can

[long bloom]

ture

[lament jetty]

Also Draedon could evolve the mechs until they are on of the strongest things right :)?

[long bloom]

he could

but there's no practical reason for him to do that right now

[lament jetty]

Does scal know Draedon
Draedon was Yharims armor maker
And we know how much scal knows about Yharim..

[long bloom]

they directly worked together under yharim for 10 years

so yes

[young socket]

it wasnt 10 years

10 years was around how long ago the incineration was

[long bloom]

ok fine it was like 4 years

my point still stands

[glacial rampart]

STOP USING ELDRITCH AS AN ADJECTIVE

[random mulch]

not my fault that the devs describe it that way

[glacial rampart]

killing rebecca

[random mulch]

and what the hell is eldritch if not an adjective

[split mortar]

What is eldritch then

[wheat walrus]

no one cares 💔

the random discord user will use eldritch as an adjective because they see it as fit

[thick slate]

is eldritch a fucking noun

?

[scarlet axle]

its an adjective 😭

[thick slate]

its a pronoun

blue tentacles and pronouns

[scarlet axle]

true...

[wheat walrus]

lmao

anyways idk

i get that sometimes people use words bit too randomly but it's so much more annoying for ppl to complain abt stuff as minimal as this

[thick slate]

how u crashing out over a word 🥀

like it isnt that deep

[hybrid barn]

I meaaannnn

[wheat walrus]

Indeed

[thick slate]

try my sinister potion!

[long bloom]

can't believe mark would do this

[thorny jasper]

Question, aren't exo mechs more powerful than DoG?
If that's the case why didn't Draedon and Calamitas jump DoG? Surely in the long run a basically uncontrollable God eater is a threat to Yharims regime more than he is an ally

[long bloom]

dog was very controllable

and an invaluable asset

[thorny jasper]

But isn't his whole thing that he wants to devour everything?

[long bloom]

no

just gods

[thorny jasper]

Oh

Ah and Yharim is not a god

Still I would not trust that fucker as a long time ally

[long bloom]

understandable

[thorny jasper]

But Calamitas or Exo mechs can body him right?

[long bloom]

probably

note that calamitas and draedon left the crusade long before exos were created

but in a scenario where they were all there, then yeah dog is fucked

[split mortar]

scal attacks us for thinking we are a yharim 2
she hates yharim

[thorny jasper]

Why did Draedon and Scal abandon the crusade? Especially Draedon, tf did Yharim do that even Draedon was like "hell nah"

[eager bluff]

oh draedon didnt abandon the crusade

yharim fired draedon after the plague

scal quit iirc because perma quit and she was ordered to kill him

[thorny jasper]

Oh

Ye makes sense

[split mortar]

Scal was manipulated as a young teen to kill a kingdom

[thorny jasper]

Draedon still a nefarius ahhh mf

Wasn't that just her anger?

It never seemed like manipulation

[split mortar]

Yharim gave her the views of gods bad

[eager bluff]

it was in fact manipulation

[long bloom]

it was in fact super manipulation

[thorny jasper]

Ah

[eager bluff]

you dont go out of your way to destroy a country and boil a sea

[thorny jasper]

Very devious

[eager bluff]

like that isnt something you do without being manipulated or being very old

[thorny jasper]

Where is Yharim canonically? Or are we like a Yharim who reset his memories or smth

[split mortar]

Dragon aerie

[split mortar]

The terrarians lore is up to you

[eager bluff]

someone post the image ig

[thorny jasper]

I assume that's not implemented yet, haven't seen that location

[long bloom]

correct

[split mortar]

Its gonna be a subworld

[long bloom]

it will be in the final update

that also adds yharim

[eager bluff]

not necessarily the final but one of

[long bloom]

it's the sacred birthplace of the dragons

[thorny jasper]

Ye I hear Yharim will be the final major update, but with the amount of resprites and reworks they're doing it seems like we ain't getting it for abt a decade

[long bloom]

and nobody can find it

[split mortar]

Could be the final if the devs are bored of making calamity

[split mortar]

They wanna like
Rework all of calamity before adding yharim

[long bloom]

current estimate is 7ish years

[thorny jasper]

Oof

I just imagine how long Xeroc and Noxus are gon take

[eager bluff]

not much longer after if they do get added

[thorny jasper]

But making those fights would be insane, like I imagine something like ND

[eager bluff]

they're like a victory lap everything that needs to be done has already been done so all thats left is to add them

[thorny jasper]

Wait so all the stuff is already made?

The sprites, animates and shit?

Crazy

[long bloom]

no

not even in the slightest

[eager bluff]

yeah god no

[thorny jasper]

Oh ok

[long bloom]

they have no idea what noxus even looks like

[thorny jasper]

I saw what Xerox will look like

Pretty cool

[long bloom]

the old one or the new one?

[thorny jasper]

New one

[split mortar]

The public art of xeroc is before the guy became the god of the sun

[thorny jasper]

There was art of it

[long bloom]

no??

[hybrid barn]

But the best part is that isn't even what he'll look like, it's just how he used to look! He'll be even cooler in his deific design

[thorny jasper]

I assume that's his first faze or something

[split mortar]

Post ascension xeroc isnt public to non donors afaik

[long bloom]

ohh i thought you meant the design was from old lore

[thorny jasper]

100% Calamity has the chance to outdo ND in pure cosmic insanity

[hybrid barn]

It's also not finished yet, the only existing design is a bit outdated

[long bloom]

yeah the post ascension design is based on the one with the hair

[hybrid barn]

Also, hell yeah! On that front though, I'm more excited for what they'll do with Noxus

[thorny jasper]

The old Xeroc design seemed kinda mid ngl

[thorny jasper]

I think they should try stick with the old WoG noxus design as a base

[hybrid barn]

I feel like I haven't seen any fan interpretations that've really lived up to the sheer potential of that guy's concept

[glacial rampart]

and now they can actually do that now that we're fabless

[glacial rampart]

i think they

shouldnt

[long bloom]

it was the plan long before fab left

[hybrid barn]

And ehhh- I don't quite agree with that, neither its older designs for Noxus or its current one for AoE really fit the vision

[thorny jasper]

This design was pretty cool, seems like a sentient weapon

[split mortar]

This the modern pre ascension xeroc iirc

[eager bluff]

that was an egg

[glacial rampart]

its just kind of an egg

[split mortar]

Noxus isnt a weapon tho

[long bloom]

that's not what noxus is anymore

it's a guy

[long bloom]

yes

[glacial rampart]

still dont understand why they got rid of his hair 🥀

[long bloom]

bald

[hybrid barn]

Maybe it was to lean into the monk appearance, but otherwise, same

[thick slate]

made them bald

[thorny jasper]

? I thought he was created to gank Xeroc or the Dragon or smth

[thick slate]

💔

[split mortar]

Old lore

[thorny jasper]

Oh

What is he now

[thick slate]

the creature

[glacial rampart]

you should read the lore doc in the pins

[split mortar]

We dont know

[hybrid barn]

His mask just looks a bit odd when he doesn't have the hood up now

[glacial rampart]

the creature

[thorny jasper]

Very sigma

[split mortar]

Just some entity that is the source of a hivemind in the distortion

[long bloom]

and wants to grow stronger so it can do

something

probably nefarious

[glacial rampart]

get tickets to the spongebob movie

[split mortar]

Noxus wants to touch grass but xeroc will dropkick its ass if it appears in normal reality

[hybrid barn]

Or maybe just continue trucking along

[real glen]

ravager's real name is unrevealed isnt it

[split mortar]

Yeah

[long bloom]

they haven't even come up with a name yet

[random mulch]

ravager's real name is mark

[mighty zenith]

omg... mark like the e

[crimson junco]

Mark Zuckerberg

[real glen]

so uhh about shakidou
which space is it

[long bloom]

dimensional space

not outer space

[cursive steeple]

Who made the mech bosses? Like was it always there or did someone make/summon them?

[languid badge]

the drae

[split mortar]

Draedon made them at yharims request
The souls they drop are the souls of the soldiers and spies and shock troops who willingly let their souls be used after death

[cursive steeple]

Ahh

Also do we know how the old man summons Skeletron/turns into it? I know you talk then you curse

Like how did he get cursed is it just by being near dungeon,

[young socket]

the cultists cursed him

[split mortar]

Old man tried robbing the dungeon and got caught by lunatic cultist

[cursive steeple]

Then I assume cultist made dungeon guardian so we don’t do the same? Or is that also old man?

[split mortar]

Dungeon guardian is also part of the curse on the old man, to stop intruders

[dense lynx]

So do lunar pillars act in calamity lore same way as in vanilla!

[split mortar]

The opposite
They help moonlord

They are the guys portable celestial army

[dense lynx]

Oh.

Then why moon lord comes after pillars are destroyed?

[split mortar]

Probably cause they get pissed we killed their armies

Idk

[dense lynx]

Couldnt he just come after Cultist is dead and seal is broken?

[split mortar]

Moonlord is among the biggest mysterys in calamity iirc

[dense lynx]

We know he is end of an era

[dusk laurel]

probably a leftover from the fact that calamity is a terraria mod

[split mortar]

We will learn a lot from the bestiary once the vanilla bestiarys get changed to fit calamity lore

[dense lynx]

And arguably one of the most important characters in calamity lore

Like some get changed

[dusk laurel]

id say the most important for the entire story

[split mortar]

The guy is ultimately the start of the entire story

So yeah prob most important

[dense lynx]

I dont think most regular enemies gdt lore rewrites

[split mortar]

Ones that contradict calamity lore will get rewritten bestiary entries

So once sso releases all bestiary entries will be canon

[dense lynx]

So all bosses, some things like demon eyes, dreadnautilus and wyverns

[split mortar]

Or anything they think could have more interesting stuff done with them

[dense lynx]

Also which events (excluding blood moon) are canon?

And which arent

[long bloom]

all are except seasonal moons and ooa

[dusk laurel]

yep

[long bloom]

frost legion is up for debate

bc nobody cares

[dusk laurel]

solar eclipse is canon but like none of the entities in it are

[dense lynx]

So goblins are canon?

[dusk laurel]

yes

[long bloom]

and pirates

[dense lynx]

So they just exsist

[dusk laurel]

yes

[dense lynx]

Martians too?

[young socket]

me when i make an entire event based around references

[split mortar]

Why wouldnt they

[split mortar]

Yes

[dusk laurel]

yes

[split mortar]

Legit only thing i can see being canon is mothron and thats a big if

[pliant ruin]

mothron is still a blatant reference

[young socket]

big moff

[dusk laurel]

mothra moment

[pliant ruin]

everything in solar eclipse is

[young socket]

is mothra even a horror movie thing

[pliant ruin]

it'd be a weird double standard to me for mothron to be canon and everything else to not be

[dense lynx]

Does that confirm calamity takes place earth? Or is it like elder scrolls it takes in different planet?

[pliant ruin]

debatable

[split mortar]

Not that blatant if i never realised it till becoming active here

[young socket]

did red run out of old horror movies to reference

[dusk laurel]

different planet

[pliant ruin]

i mean yeah

probably because you're not a godzilla fan

😭

it's incredibly blatant

like it's LITERALLY just mothra

its th eactual exact same design

[split mortar]

The planet is called terraria and has the sun orbiting it

[split mortar]

Ok yeash nvm blatant af

[pliant ruin]

the only real difference is that mothron is angry

[young socket]

LOL

i knew about mothra because of uhhhhhh

some minecraft mod

[long bloom]

VANILLA EVENTS CANONICITY:
slime rain - ✅
blood moon - ✅
goblin army - ✅
old one's army -❌
frost legion - ❔
pirate invasion - ✅
solar eclipse - ✅
pumpkin moon - ❌
frost moon - ❌
martian madness - ✅
celestial pillars - ✅

[young socket]

i think

had a bunch of references

[pliant ruin]

frost legion can be canon enough

[split mortar]

The enemies of the eclipse isnt canon

[pliant ruin]

some crazy wizard just decided to make a mafia of snowmen because he felt like it

[dusk laurel]

yeah i already said that

[young socket]

frost legion is just like

theres nothing not allowing it to be canon

[dense lynx]

Also obviously rain and wind dosent count

[dusk laurel]

the event is, not the enemies, so it still counts

[young socket]

but its never talked about elsewhere

[split mortar]

It was in response to the list posted

[dense lynx]

Deerclops aint canon too

[long bloom]

i saw the messages

[split mortar]

Yeah its a reference to dont starve

[dense lynx]

Cause it most likely got dragged from another dimension

[dusk laurel]

its literally crossover content

not even just a reference

[pliant ruin]

deerclops isnt real because its blatant reference/crossover content and the devs don't want to include any of that sort of stuff in the mods narrative

anything that is from other media isnt

👍

[split mortar]

Such a big reference its officially endirsed

[pliant ruin]

nothing that theres anything explicitly wrong with it or anything its just something the developers personally do not want to include while writing their story

[dense lynx]

But it isnt as exciting as all other content mods are connected to each other theory.

[dusk laurel]

what does this mean

[pliant ruin]

that isn't a theory that's just fanfiction

[split mortar]

What

[pliant ruin]

a theory needs actual basis

[split mortar]

^

[pliant ruin]

if you want to have fun with it go ahead though

[dense lynx]

Or what if they could be connected?

[pliant ruin]

i'm not for that avengers infinity war type shit but to each their own

[dense lynx]

Would azafure have fastfood restaurants?

[young socket]

i once tried connecting fargo souls to yharim

it was fun for a bit

[pliant ruin]

i mean i don't see why they wouldnt

sure i guess ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[split mortar]

They just cant without heavy changes

[pliant ruin]

1 brimstone burger coming up

[young socket]

unfortunately one of the things i wrote became outdated when draetalk came out

(i made banished baron a draedon thing, and what made yharim try and find draedon)

[dense lynx]

Like i through couple things that are logical

Like grand thunder birds were vultures that got charged by ilmerian crystals

[dusk laurel]

i like stormlions since theyre like unique in the desert

[pliant ruin]

hmm today i will mechanize a boar

feel like it...

[young socket]

yeah

[pliant ruin]

i think more people should just call fishron boars

its funny

boars are funny animals. i like boars.

theyre kinde of like horses in a way

[dense lynx]

Or how nebuleus once assisted Zeratos, but her powers got heavily dimished during battle against fovos and now hides in space due to mistake she caused by trusting that monk

[pliant ruin]

they have like

similar energy

[young socket]

my explaination for why mecha squirrel thingy existed was cuz the rapid advance of technology was felt by the entire world so much that even normal ass creatures tried speedrunning intelligence and roboticism

yharim also decided to insult it and glaze draedon

[dense lynx]

Or how girus would have been some sort of rival of draedon but draedon wouldnt care

[pliant ruin]

this things so ass 🔥 🔥 bro aint got nothing on my GOAT my MAN

these squirrels are frauds on god

[split mortar]

Draedon would team up if anything

Science

[young socket]

now that i think about it i dont think i made a lore item for lifelight

[dense lynx]

Like i could rewrite most of the entries of those unoffical calamity lore items to make yharim look less like bloodgrazed ravager and more of an emphatic guy

[young socket]

ah yeah its cuz i saved it for later

due to it being hallow related

[split mortar]

Yharims crusade caused half the world to die and holds no guilt for having done that part

[young socket]

i did have a note written down tho

[dense lynx]

I could help write those cudtom lore items.

[young socket]

smthn about how they like to further their own goals (killing u), indirectly comparing it to killing a dragon

[pliant ruin]

i mean

he's kind off neither

[split mortar]

Yharim convinces irl people we dont need the guy being better at it

[dense lynx]

Like how king slayer III lore item. Would be actually him speaking like: "Hey you think you could just listen to him to learn my backstory?"

[manic coral]

at the end of the day crossover stuff in media being canon is the exception, not the rule

[dense lynx]

Cause king slayer III bestiary entry is by far funniest ive seen

"You want my lore? Go get your own lore!"

[spare pier]

I hate that Mothron isn't canon because like

It's so good

I love Mothron

[young socket]

REB

ITS A BIG MOFF

[spare pier]

In good part because Mothra's design is just

Amazing

[long bloom]

have heart rename it in vcvo
no more reference

[spare pier]

If we ever made a "canon" eclipse I'd still want a moth

[dusk laurel]

moths are pretty cool

[manic coral]

i agree

[long bloom]

cei what is your opinion on weevils

[pliant ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/weevil-unbelievable-unbeweevable-bug-gif-7453463426785714493

[dusk laurel]

weevils are goofy as hell

[pliant ruin]

the difference between mothron and mothra is that mothron is angry

[manic coral]

i'm angry

grr

:(

fuck you

[dusk laurel]

[pliant ruin]

wtf

[young socket]

meow

[manic coral]

ok wet cat

[long bloom]

explode

[young socket]

nuh uh

[manic coral]

wet smelly cat

:/

[young socket]

nuh uh

i aint wet

or smelly

[spare pier]

Damn Tsuki out here getting nuked

[young socket]

shut up ur the real wet smelly cat round here

[split mortar]

So ur dusty got it

[spare pier]

You're projecting

[dusk laurel]

you are literally a zoo animal

[young socket]

no im not

[spare pier]

Yes you are

[young socket]

if i was projecting id uhh

call u extremely gay and evil

[spare pier]

You are that AND smelly wet cat

[young socket]

nuh uh

ur the smelly one

[spare pier]

Yuh uh

[young socket]

i can smell ur stench from here

[spare pier]

WAIT NO

[young socket]

PROOF

[spare pier]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/466943505663655937/1083946998614470748/1678391318329531.gif

[dusk laurel]

i think youre both smelly

[young socket]

THE EVIDENCE DOESNT LIE

[spare pier]

FUCK YOU TSUKI

[dusk laurel]

british people innately reek due to the rain

and rebecca is rebecca

[pliant ruin]

yayyyy yayyy yay

[split mortar]

rebecca go into the ocean you need to touch water

[young socket]

nuh uh

im stuck in this place

so

i never get rained on

[split mortar]

Doubt

[dusk laurel]

would you adopt him

[manic coral]

no

cooked

in the oven

yummy

[split mortar]

No because i am not qualified for a fish as a pet

[untold oracle]

Smelly one

[split mortar]

Your taste buds are in the oven??

[manic coral]

no

the fish will be

idiot

:/

[split mortar]

[untold oracle]

Cei is in the oven ?????

[young socket]

only smelly gun couldve misunderstood this

[split mortar]

❌

[dusk laurel]

i agree

[split mortar]

You both are blind as fuck to miss this

I aint considering your opinions on this matter

[dusk laurel]

delicious fish to feast upon

[young socket]

its funnier to bully u

dumbass

[untold oracle]

Pea

[dusk laurel]

[young socket]

hi pea

[untold oracle]

Peas

[clever raft]

Aré peas canon in calamity

Or peas have been forsaken by the world

[late veldt]

Hey how the fuck did Draedon make synthetic sea prisms

[young socket]

he grew them duh

[split mortar]

Went into creative mode and spawned in 9999999 more

[late veldt]

Like I mean how does he just. emulate a god's power

[young socket]

i assume its something innate with the crystals themselves

like if corrupted grass grew it wouldnt just be normal grass itd be corrupted grass

[pliant ruin]

i don't think he made synthethic prisms he just grew more of them from like. a bud.

like he didn't create them he just made what was alraedy there grow

[jaunty wraith]

He said somthing about using the sea prisms and magnifying thier power

[split mortar]

Thats making exo prisms not making new sea prisms

[jaunty wraith]

Oh

Well dont sea prisms drop form enemies?

[pliant ruin]

prism shards drop from prisbacks because sea prisms grow on their backs

which, is just further proof that you can infact make them "grow" under the right conditions, so

yea

draedon just g rows more of em

:thumby:

[jaunty wraith]

He makes a prisback grinder

[summer agate]

Hear me out

Gasoline is just fancy dinosaur broth

[frank pumice]

Lore

[pliant ruin]

Unfortunately Gasoline is not made from dinosaurs so you're wrong. Sorry.

[dire sapphire]

it's made from algae right

or is it precambrian bacteria

[hoary cape]

it's made from some kind of oil

[pliant ruin]

its mostly algae yea

phytoplantkon

ppl just hear "fossil fuel" and immediately assume dinosaurs 😭

[dire sapphire]

I was reading about it

it's like 99% algae and plants

like it's possible a bit of it is dinosaur

[dire sapphire]

Yeah it's a weird term tbh

[thick slate]

algae can still fossilize

[faint totem]

I named a goddess in my litrpg serial novel after Silva

[frail knot]

are boss refights canon?

[pliant ruin]

depends

some can be

others not though

fights that are against single individuals that result in their death or destruction cant be because, well
you killed them

so

fights that involve not single specific individuals but member of a greater species or group of beings such as eye of chtulhu, evil1, queen bee, dragonfolly, etc

those could realistically be refought in canon

and of course there's also Scal

she's also pretty obviously one that could canonically be refought, given refighting her is just a sparring match between her and the terrarian after the actual fight

desert scourge i think is in a bit of a odd spott because i'm not sure if there's like a whole population of adult scourges or if it's just 1 specific brood with the one we fight acting as the parent
if it's the former then yea you could refight it, if its the latter i guess you still could but you'd have to wait a few years 😭

[frail knot]

and also the other fights where you dont actually kill the boss like slime god and astrum deus

[pliant ruin]

you kill slime god later

queen slime

though i guess in theory you could refight slime god if you just never fight queen slime

it's a funny concept because it means slime god repeatedly tries to kill you and fails every time, each one more miserably because you'd have better and better gear

slime god becomes the villain of the week

astrum deus would be a no tho

because while you don't kill it, you cleanse it of its infection and it returns to space

so not only does it not really have any reason to fight you again but also its literaly outside of the planet now so you can't really even get to it

[hoary cape]

i hunt it down in space and eat it

slurp it up like a noodle

[pliant ruin]

the idea of slime god just becoming a mf team rocket goon though is hilarious 😭

literally becomes a punchingbag villain of the week

god of slime blasting off again!!!!!!!!!

[hoary cape]

shouldn't have gotten itself trapped in it's own paladin

[void vapor]

Man
I remember old slime god
With the core phase that gave you a totally unique debuff you needed really good grapple reflexes to beat

I still wonder why core phase was cut honestly

[hoary cape]

because it was kinda stupid to fight against

that debuff sucks

[real silo]

I'll be honest I think the debuff + the mines are a fun combo

It's just that the core also dashes at you which ruins the fun

[plucky juniper]

okay im gonna be honest, as a defender of core phase
distorted sucked

[real silo]

🥀

[vague jacinth]

is Draedon actually immoral with no compassion or is Yharim just bitter about their breakup

[long bloom]

he actually is

[split mortar]

Draedons amoral

So yeah yharims correct

[vague jacinth]

figured, he's a robot so not surprising

[paper spindle]

Now I wonder

How many things like this we as a community just establish as a gay relationship

As a joke obviously

Like the stasis and braelor thing

[cloud ibex]

are you talking about general gay headcanons

braelor and statis don't count that's just canon

[paper spindle]

😶

Anything else like that?

[split mortar]

Yeah braelor and statis are just actually gay boyfriends

[split mortar]

Theyre the only canon relationship iirc

[paper spindle]

Damn

[cloud ibex]

the meme ships that come to mind are like

silva/xeroc and yharim/mutant

[paper spindle]

I've seen Calamitas/Deviant

[split mortar]

Yharim/draedon/yharon aswell

[paper spindle]

Any other ships?

[paper spindle]

Wait how does that even work?

[mighty zenith]

polycule

[vague jacinth]

peak

[sinful adder]

Draedon doesn't have morals but also isn't evil. He can be reasoned with. You'd be surprised how much of human morality is actually just logical behavior.

I'm pretty sure all of it can be described that way under the context of people cooperating for mutual benefit

[frosty cave]

is there a whole file on what is going on in the calamity world

[long bloom]

not an official one

[frosty cave]

if there is i wanna read it

[long bloom]

but somebody did compile all the lore currently in the game

it's pinned in this channel

[split mortar]

[long bloom]

also, i made a chronological timeline based on all the publicly available information

[frosty cave]

okay

[long bloom]

but i haven't posted it anywhere

[frosty cave]

oh and what compelled yharim to watch us from the start

[calm patio]

up to you

[long bloom]

you decide all of the terrarian's lore

they're your oc

[split mortar]

The terrarian is you

[frosty cave]

okay

[long bloom]

buh

ignore the caption it's not relevant

[frosty cave]

is yharim a god or someone killing gods

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Killing gods

[frosty cave]

is there a yharim origin or something like that

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Was grown up to be god king
Rejected that and tried to save yharons egg
Got thrown in lava by god followers but saved last second by yharon hatching
Becomes super racist against all gods and worshippers and starts crusade

[prisma wharf]

If draedon isn't concerned when you destroyed his mechs, how rich do u think he is if he can rebuild them quickly

Exo mechs especially

[calm patio]

it takes time for him to rebuild it

[split mortar]

Not due to a lack of resources but just it takes a while to make the components

[prisma wharf]

Yes but building them must be expensive

[split mortar]

Virtually endless resources

The guy can get basically any material on the planet whenever wanted
Being a super-intelligent ai has its benefits

[frosty cave]

are the gods in another dimension or what

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Yharim killed them

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all of the gods are dead?

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90%+ of all gods

[calm patio]

not all

most i should say

[frosty cave]

is the slime god pre hardmode a god or something else

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A god

Itd constantly flee and sacrifice its paladins like it does in the game

[frosty cave]

ltd?

[split mortar]

Short for it would i think?

[split mortar]

Well this may give the wrong impression
The guy had armies while crusading

Yharim and his forces killed em