lore-discussion

[royal plinth]

no

[thick slate]

yess

[royal plinth]

you can't

[snow mountain]

aw

[split mortar]

start it in sscls so you cant be punished for offtopic

[north wigeon]

I would assume there were other aerospace alloys atp but yeah titanium makes sense for fighter jets

there's a ton

[snow mountain]

what if its not offtopic

[split mortar]

then you cant be punished

[north wigeon]

something something alumin(i)um

[crimson junco]

Calamity lore expands that far? 😨

[thick slate]

chat i have proof that i can be scary

[hushed geyser]

Top ten lies

[mighty zenith]

i dont believe you

[snow mountain]

everything goes back to gnosticism or irenaeus

[snow mountain]

fuck saint irenaeus btw

i hate him

[royal plinth]

it's all either titanium or aluminium based due to low density

titanium is less flexible but has the heat resistance advantage

in pbg's case due to the small size and little wing surface for heat dissipation from the engines I would assume it has to be titanium

[north wigeon]

riiight, makes sense

[thick slate]

i mean real life fighter jets

use like really complex synthetic alloys

[royal plinth]

presumably all classified ofc

[thick slate]

nop

[royal plinth]

oh wait really

[split mortar]

plus titanium in terraria seems a lil stronger then normal titanium

[north wigeon]

we boutta pull a war thunder-

oh huh

[thick slate]

f35 is made out of carbon-epoxy

[royal plinth]

LMAO

oh they're just making the damn things out of carbon fiber now

[thick slate]

yea

[royal plinth]

makes sense I guess titanium is pretty rare

[north wigeon]

huh, who woulda thunk it

[split mortar]

print the jets

[thick slate]

i think spacecraft are still using crazy shit

[north wigeon]

not used to seeing such durable nonmetals, damn

[royal plinth]

they are yes

[thick slate]

since they need to exit the atmosphere

[late veldt]

carbon wins by doing absolutely nothing

[royal plinth]

Well again

[thick slate]

but i know my fighter jets really well :3

[royal plinth]

Given that Terraria titanium is like

Way stronger

It's still probably that

It's not clear carbon fiber exists in terraria

But diamonds do so draedon could presumably easily make it

[light linden]

ngl I was expecting it to be made of the plague nanomachines

[north wigeon]

fighter jet pilots when mysterious titanium chunks start orbiting their planes:

[split mortar]

plague nanomachines are made of the alloy aswell

[royal plinth]

no the only self forming articulate grey goo in calamity is nanoblack

[thick slate]

exo prisms are actually just carbon fibre crystals

[royal plinth]

no -- they're not real

they're bullshit zero point pseudo science

[thick slate]

😢

for now 😈

[split mortar]

thats kinda needed when you break the laws of thermo dynamics

[north wigeon]

something about... abyss light being very small infinite energy? last I checked

[royal plinth]

vacuum energy is currently theorized at what like 10^51 J per cubic meter?

[snow mountain]

the plating is actually plagued bees

[thick slate]

us military seen employing exo prisms in new weaponry

[royal plinth]

this isn't a marvel movie

[split mortar]

exotic resonance and endlessly making energy

[north wigeon]

Draedon refused to comment

[split mortar]

wrong reply

[wheat walrus]

guh that makes entire stars exploding look tiny

[split mortar]

meant to reply to this one

[north wigeon]

right

[royal plinth]

yes the numbers are fucking Hilarious

[split mortar]

sea prisms are the ones in sunken sea not abyss

[royal plinth]

iirc supernovas are like 10^45

[north wigeon]

oh right

[split mortar]

wha#

[royal plinth]

so it's like "yea there's 1 million supernovas of energy in every cubic meter"

[north wigeon]

wrong draedon log

[thick slate]

insane

[north wigeon]

good lord

[royal plinth]

which sounds completely absurd and ridiculous but that's how the theoretical physics shakes out

[split mortar]

why so many

[wheat walrus]

1 foe unit is 10^44 joules

[north wigeon]

nature do be that fucky

[royal plinth]

we still need to move these to orbit the cursor so they're not useless

[wheat walrus]

foe unit last i checked is used as standard for the energy released by a supernova

[royal plinth]

titanium got did dirty

[north wigeon]

ooooh

[royal plinth]

okay so I was right on the money

10^45 is a big one (X10) but still in the reasonable range

[wheat walrus]

close

anyways yea

10^45 is in range enough

[split mortar]

i have no context in why a million supernovea are in a cubic metre

[north wigeon]

damn, by one order of magnitude
this is some really intense Fermi estimating

[snow mountain]

should've been a botanist

[thick slate]

this is actually how much energy i use when i think

thats why im so smart

[split mortar]

you dont think, shut up

[thick slate]

banned for hurting my feels

[split mortar]

L

[dusk laurel]

deltaw rune was yesterday

[north wigeon]

your brain does the equivalent of failing to jumpstart a car over and over

and that's why it takes so much

[thick slate]

ouch

[split mortar]

deltarune can be played today so stfu

[mighty zenith]

its always delta rune

[snow mountain]

how rude we need to ban you immediately

[thick slate]

would care but im too busy become a doctor rahhh

[north wigeon]

where is the alpha rune

[split mortar]

when is deltaws rune

[mighty zenith]

learune

[thick slate]

true

[snow mountain]

my friend is also locked into the doctor grindset

[north wigeon]

sig-
ostracized from society

[snow mountain]

not by choice

[thick slate]

oh

[split mortar]

beta rune

[thick slate]

i mean im switching majors lol

so i mean

[north wigeon]

oh god
asian parents?

[thick slate]

im not actually going to be a doctor

[snow mountain]

somalian

[snow mountain]

congrats you've broken the cycle

[north wigeon]

I see

[thick slate]

yea i did medicine

then it was boring

(still doing mb)

and im going to switch to aero

cause its way cooler in every way

[north wigeon]

like, aerospace?

[thick slate]

yea

[north wigeon]

in which case goddamn

cool asf

[thick slate]

went from saving lives to taking them

[north wigeon]

I love the military industrial complex

[dusk laurel]

🫗

[snow mountain]

one of my colleagues got an apprenticeship offer with airbus but turned it down cus microsoft was better

[thick slate]

fair enough

[snow mountain]

i should've applied for that one guidance system apprenticeship fr

[thick slate]

i like airbus a lot

if i was going to work for a morally bad military contracter it would be BAE

[royal plinth]

Not Raytheon?

[thick slate]

u mean rtx

smh

[royal plinth]

remember the meme from years ago "our missiles don't discriminate"

[thick slate]

i dont really wanna work for an american company

[royal plinth]

ok fair

[thick slate]

even though they have state of the art stuff

they are like the worst

maybe ill learn swedish and work for saab

[light linden]

y'all think draedon did any work on regenerating people's lost limbs?

[dusk laurel]

probably

seems pretty useful for the warlord it worked for

[light linden]

can't believe we finally know what infected armor plating is made of

[thick slate]

its made of updog

[limpid saddle]

I'll take the gamble that this is the set-up for a 'deez'-esque joke, what is it made of?

[light linden]

1 sec

[limpid saddle]

cool

[edgy dew]

could sun wokong beat xeroc?

*wukong

[cosmic zenith]

It possibly includes Chlorophyte, as its ability to grow could be very useful to the Plague

[split mortar]

Im oretty sure sun wukong oneshots xeroc easily

[mighty zenith]

holy shit ralsei

[light linden]

hi new dev

[mighty zenith]

cluefull

[split mortar]

Thats

Thats stipulate

[light linden]

oh

why the hell do I keep doing that

[mighty zenith]

wdym bro thats ralsei

[split mortar]

Hello ralsei undertale

[mighty zenith]

32 dollars

[cosmic zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/frieren-anime-elf-cute-kawaii-gif-1391919008270779198

Howdy

[light linden]

hi

[deft vessel]

Stip, congrats on making it into the team

[thick slate]

hai

[split mortar]

Skill issue for not making it into the team

[thick slate]

who ru

[mighty zenith]

thats deltarune today

[hoary berry]

[supple wedge]

Can someone break the whole lore down for me in idiot terms?

[untold oracle]

gorthus in 2 seconds

[untold oracle]

oof thats quite a task hold on

[stark basalt]

1. Everlasting Dragons from Dark Souls.
2. Seath the Scaleless betrays them killing the most powerful (dragon?) and becomes god in the process.
3. Other humans realize that they can become a powerful god if they kill dragons as well.
4. “Well here I go killing again”
5. Fastfoward a bit, people want Yharim to become a powerful god because it’s his ~destiny-
6. Yharim goes nuh uh, they throw him and Yharon into lava. Yharon hatches, Yharim kills them all.
7. Yharim goes: “Time to genocide these new gods for revenge”
8. “Here I go killing again”
9. He recruits Draedon and Calamitas for more killing
10. Calamitas causes mass calamity
11. Draedon breaks the Geneva convention several times for good measure
12. Yharim fires him because he corrupted a Bee
13. Calamitas goes into edgy teen “Is this who I really am?” phase and breaks off from Yharim Squad
14. Yharim realizes the error of his ways, goes to mountain to study the blade
15. Calamity Mod begins

Summary

[young socket]

yharim didnt go to the aerie to atone

[stark basalt]

Do we know why he did? Honestly I forgot

Been a while

[young socket]

to train

[stark basalt]

I shall edit thanks

[supple wedge]

So it’s perfectly normal for a human to kill a godlike-spaceworm likes its an everyday task?

[stark basalt]

Indeed

[supple wedge]

Damn

[young socket]

no

[stark basalt]

Or at least those who have the power too

DOG is a uniquely powerful space worm

[warm gull]

hello everyone

discusses lore

[stark basalt]

From the Distortion

Greetings

[thick slate]

hai dai!!

i mean stinkychungus25

[supple wedge]

The thing that gives everything and anything consciousness?

[cloud ibex]

hold up i got a fast one

[thick slate]

i need consciousness

[cloud ibex]

r/atheism moderator and dragon fanboy gets mad at all gods because he didn't like being told what to do and Literally The Most Biased Dragon In Existence Ever told him "all gods suck ass and should die"

[thick slate]

https://tenor.com/view/webxr-v-room-3d-augmented-reality-virtual-reality-gif-12418569

[stark basalt]

^^

[thick slate]

sorry i needed to send this gif

[cloud ibex]

you need to go to sleep

[thick slate]

hai

maybee

i need more screentime

[cloud ibex]

brother you said over an hour ago that it was almost 5 am

you need to be knocked unconscious

[thick slate]

gulpp

[thick slate]

please

i cant fall asleep

[warm gull]

what is this

[young socket]

its dark jaguar

[warm gull]

you're dark jaguar

shadow tiger

[untold oracle]

auric dragons rule over Terraria, possessing multiple cool domains and the ability to rebirth after death thanks to Yharon (the dragons were not inherently good or bad remember that) -> Fovos (moon lord) invades and manages to gravely injure Zeratros and likely kill a bunch of dragons permanently -> Fovos is sealed to the moon, but the damage has been done -> Xeroc, or whatever their name was at the time, ascends to godhood using Zeratros' auric soul, whether this was mutually agreed or not is up to debate, but I personally headcanon that it was a last ditch effort to save the domain of Primordial Light, even if Zeratros' life is lost -> words of the ascension spread, everyone wants to become a god -> grey period where dragons are hunted down and killed so that others can ascend, the Draconic Era ends -> Deific Era for many centuries, where gods rule over their own kingdoms and such, probably a bit similar to medieval times I think -> Yharon, the last auric dragon, gets killed and an egg possessing its auric soul(?) is retrieved. A small group of likely not so benelovent gods try to make Yharim ascend with it and rule over them as a god-king -> yharim refuses, and he alongside the egg gets thrown to lava -> Yharon hatches suddenly, saving Yharim's life -> Crusade starts as Yharon tells Yharim about the eeeeevils of the gods, and the two manage to form a super echo chamber where they both end up becoming super racists against gods. The two also attune so Yharim can touch auric and do cool stuff and also makes him stronger probably -> Draedon joins the crusade as Yharim makes a deal with him where he provides resources for Draedon in exchange for cool weapons -> Permafrost joins the crusade and works as a strategist and advisor for Yharim -> DoG joins the crusade to eat god essence -> Azafure explodes and Calamitas gets added to Yharmy -> Cal explodes Ilmeris -> Cal and Perma leave Yharim -> Braelor and Statis try to kill Yharim -> Yharim leaves to the aerie -> calam

draedon also got kicked out for messing with bees

yharim also went back to draedon after fighting braelor and statis to get exo upgrades to his armour

i have no idea if this timeline is accurate but thats all i rember!!

(message got too large to send)

((im not paying))

also the crusade halved the world population iirc so it wasnt a small war

also lasted a century

[deft wasp]

Yharim lore update

[pulsar ocean]

Auric dragon of gay

[long bloom]

🔥🔥🔥

[deft wasp]

If DoG is an entity who may have a leader from the distortion, could that leader be Noxus?

[limpid saddle]

yeah he commands DoG

[long bloom]

it's all but confirmed

[deft wasp]

Is this like confirmed or just speculated?

I see

[long bloom]

it's technically not confirmed but it might as well be

they lay it on thick

[limpid saddle]

I can easily site alot of things that very heavily imply it but I cant drop an in-game quote that says 'I Yharim have confirmed that the Devourer Of Gods is commanded by Noxus, ruler of the Distortion'

[deft wasp]

I thought a while ago it was confirmed that roar of the jungle dragon isn’t canon was that changed or was it always canon?

[limpid saddle]

It's still pretty canon

But Yharon isn't like, actually singing at you

he cant speak human languages due to dragon mouth

i was gonna say something else but i forgot what it was

Oh right

I think it's pretty cool that Noxus is never name-dropped in the mod itself, it makes his prescence through the Distortion entities feel alot more omnious & pervasive

[long bloom]

it wasn't canon before, but it was recently made explicitly canon

stained brutal calamity is still completely non canon tho

[split mortar]

It fits with the lore, unlike scals theme nothing contradicts it beyond yharon speaking but yharon and yharim can psychically talk so may just be that idk

[deft wasp]

Makes me happy to know that it’s canon, idrc abi ur scal’s themes canonicity tho cuz I can hardly hear the lyrics anyway

[long bloom]

watch a lyrics video
they're actually so fucking good

[split mortar]

Some of the lyrics characterise the terrarian and some of it refer to yharim as her master so like lol no

[split mortar]

^

[limpid saddle]

Oh Terrarian Characterization, Terrarian Characterization, all I long for in this world

[pulsar ocean]

there are lyrics in scal's theme?

[split mortar]

Yes

[long bloom]

many

[limpid saddle]

to obliterate all headcanons into ash, & put an end to the 'Terrarian is YOU!'

[split mortar]

Make it yourself

[long bloom]

so many lyrics

[split mortar]

Impossible

The terrarian IS INFACT YOU

[pulsar ocean]

the terrarian is kris deltarune

[split mortar]

YOU ARE KRIS DELTARUNE

[pulsar ocean]

lit

[limpid saddle]

calamity is an analogy for the bible the terrarian is Jesus Christ

[split mortar]

Not again

[pulsar ocean]

did u beat deltarune

[limpid saddle]

yharim is like

[pulsar ocean]

melon

[limpid saddle]

idfk abraham

no wait

yharon us abraham

[split mortar]

Havent been able to play yet due to exams literally tomorrow morning

[limpid saddle]

yharim is issac

[pulsar ocean]

gl

its peak

[split mortar]

Thanks

[limpid saddle]

I havent bought it

[split mortar]

From what i hear i trust that

[limpid saddle]

because im broke

[split mortar]

Oh rip

[limpid saddle]

& i dont want to rn

i got other things going

(Starting a figurine collection & reading Chainsaw Man)

[split mortar]

Fair

[limpid saddle]

I'll get spoiled about it in a week & play it in two years with a guide for all the secret content

dw

[wheat walrus]

p

[split mortar]

p

[long bloom]

p

[deft wasp]

Everything minus the astral entities are terrarians

[untold oracle]

not confirmed but come on who else is there

(also iirc writers have been talking bout noxus..)

[deft wasp]

After reading cynosure and the line “you stand at the brink of infinity” makes me word we how much more powerful these final entities really are

[untold oracle]

NO

we are NOT bringing up shitversal terrarian

[limpid saddle]

They are not THAT strong, Yharim is using a literary technique called HYPERBOLE

Also basically glazing himself because you now stand at his strength implying he is at infinity (he is not)

[untold oracle]

Xeroc, who is the strongest foe who we will fight if they get added and who is stated to be the absolute strongest being there could be by devs iirc is like high mountain level i think??

[empty rampart]

and likely because Yharon has a skewed concept of time. remember, Yharon has infinite time because of his domain.

[untold oracle]

we wont even kill xeroc though

i guess the fight has a similar thing as ND of like testing you?

[long bloom]

the highest calamity scales is barely below planetary

you'll see why eventually

[untold oracle]

i swear someone said xeroc is high mountain

[long bloom]

that's pretty accurate i think

[deft wasp]

What do you know that we don’t?

[long bloom]

i can't tell you unless you pay $20

[untold oracle]

patreon mayhaps

[deft wasp]

Too much money on my jobless income

[robust osprey]

with that money buy deltarune AND undertale

and you still have spare money!

[late veldt]

isn't Deltarune 25?

[robust osprey]

no it's

12

with 50 cents

[late veldt]

Really?

[robust osprey]

ye

[wheat walrus]

That's for me to decide, patreonerd.

[scenic olive]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/780489779825082458/1095344163622502510/image0-156-1-1.gif?=&width=185&height=150

Aw still no xeroc gif

[warm gull]

deltarune chapter 5 is currently only in the form of a casette tape at the bottom of the ocean, but its already done

[robust osprey]

it's actually in my house right now

I got it from the bottom of the ocean

[hoary cape]

I stole it from max and put it back in the ocean

[robust osprey]

WHAT THE FUCK

calling the cops rn

[hoary cape]

In a different spot

[robust osprey]

...wait YOU are the cop

[hoary cape]

😈

[robust osprey]

evil being

[hoary cape]

I am a nazgûl

[gloomy yacht]

Does Yharim like wasps

[thick slate]

hi its me

i am the police

[craggy jacinth]

[thick slate]

are you michael cera

[buoyant junco]

The whole Exo Mechs fight is meant to be stress testing the player and not Draedon testing his creations to see how they fare right?

[magic epoch]

pretty sure it is testing the machines? but im only like 70% confident on that

[gloomy yacht]

I'm pretty sure it's like both of those

Draedon did mention something along the lines of studying the player, but also wants to test the exos

[faint totem]

Two birds one stone

[supple wedge]

Thanks

[buoyant junco]

does that imply a harder variant possibly happening

[cloud ibex]

Nah

He could make a harder version probably but he has no interest anymore when he could be watching you beat the shit out of Yharim instead

[split mortar]

Why make better murder machine when better murder flesh right there to stalk

[faint totem]

Exactly

[gloomy yacht]

I doubt he'd be interested in something more powerful than literal war machines powered by infinite energy cores, he could do something like fuse all in a giant mecha or sum idk but it's more interesting studying the player as they punch Yharim into a red pulp

[faint totem]

You mean XB-∞ Hekate?

[gloomy yacht]

ZC-899 Yhaweh

[warm iris]

Yeah, Draedon doesn't even really seem surprised or giving any semblance of a fuck when you beat the Exo Mechs, I'm one for saying he's hiding something

[split mortar]

Eh i dont think draedon is hiding stuff personally

[warm iris]

Or at least working on something experimental

[split mortar]

Draedons always experimenting

[warm iris]

Just trying to say he might have something more impressive than the Exo Mechs

By now

[split mortar]

Draedon finishes the exos while gameplay is happening iirc
Draedon just hasnt had enough time for something like miracle mechs imo

[spare pier]

The Exos are the best thing he can build

[split mortar]

Creature detected

[spare pier]

He doesn't secretly have Exo Mechs 2 or whatever hiding in his closet

Seriously what's with people's obssession with Draedon having something even more fucked in store?

[warm iris]

We like Draedon

And want him to do more

[spare pier]

Bro he has more than enough

[warm iris]

We want more

[spare pier]

There are like, 5 Bosses which are Draedon fuckery

[split mortar]

If draedon had something more then exos i dont think draedon would make exos

[warm iris]

Fair enough

[cloud ibex]

because he's Robot Guy and therefore automatically the best character and people want to see more of him

[jaunty wraith]

Mechanical bosses

Cal clone

Astrum deus

Exo mechs

Is there another one im missing?

[split mortar]

Aureus not deus

[jaunty wraith]

Aureus

[split mortar]

Pbg

[jaunty wraith]

I caught that error

[spare pier]

And PBG, yeah

[jaunty wraith]

Oh yeah plaguebringer

[warm iris]

https://tenor.com/view/sob-arnold-gif-12406885

Sadge

But yea I fw Draedon heavy, he's cool

I mean supposedly he does get to tinkering immediately after the Exo Mechs are defeated to use the data he gathered from you

So if he had the time, he could make something else

[supple wedge]

Time to make it 6

[plucky juniper]

He's a tech bro. They can never have enough. They must always have more.

[split mortar]

❌

[plucky juniper]

[warm iris]

If we were in a 2000s era cartoon, Draedon would take your DNA to make the Exo Terrarian boss, duh

[split mortar]

Draedon can already clone people

[real silo]

When we having brimstone mechs

[peak scroll]

Playing calamity since 2022 dont even know 1% of the lore

[mighty zenith]

ok

[cloud ibex]

okay

[peak scroll]

Ultimate chad 🗿

[compact oracle]

went through the lore doc for the first time since the "new" doc dropped

the thing that stood out to me the most was the change in brimstone elly's lore (no i am not obsessed with brimstone elemental)

[topaz shard]

replace the elementals with burly men

[compact oracle]

thats ok too

[topaz shard]

that would be funny

[snow mountain]

hot men eating beans

[long bloom]

what was brimmy old lore again it was so mid i genuinely forgot

[snow mountain]

hot men

hot men eating beans

[cloud ibex]

she was chilling being worshipped by the people in the crags until scal showed up and beat the shit out of her

[long bloom]

that's about as shitty as i was expecting

[untold oracle]

What was the reason again?

Yharim felt like it?

[snow mountain]

it produced peak music

yes

[compact oracle]

she was chillin being worshiped as a god which was enough to give her somewhat god-like powers

i think thats pretty cool

[untold oracle]

No i think the reason was smth like they rejected yharim or smth

Or that seeing the crags simply reminded yharim of the lava he was thrown into so he just destroyed it

A very bs reason nevertheless

[cosmic minnow]

Yharim suffers severe ptsd

[untold oracle]

Nah i think he’s just an asshole

[cosmic minnow]

Actually I know the word now, man is an asshole like you said

And he’s petty

at least in old lore

Quite hilarious to think a godtyrant is petty

[snow mountain]

he's very much ends justify the means in the context of both

[cosmic minnow]

Whar

May this actually be grammar for once?

@untold oracle

(Please excuse the ping)

[untold oracle]

What

Why me

[mighty zenith]

@untold oracle

haiii

[cloud ibex]

@cloud ibex

[snow mountain]

why did you

ping yourself?

@snow mountain

waow

[robust osprey]

@robust osprey you're such a cool guy!

[split mortar]

@trail zealot you suck

[trail zealot]

What XD?

[robust osprey]

LMAO

[snow mountain]

holy hell

[split mortar]

Wrong

Fucking

Ping

[split mortar]

Sorry

[trail zealot]

Ay dw XD

Is fine

[robust osprey]

stoopid gun

[untold oracle]

Rude gun

[split mortar]

[cosmic minnow]

One time we had a discussion in the other server abt what’s grammar and what’s spelling

[fierce pagoda]

Why is Yharim lowkey the coolest character in the mod even when hes evilbo

[split mortar]

Having a sick af dragon friend tends to do that

[mighty zenith]

villians can be cool

[hoary berry]

i’m sobbing

[split mortar]

Villains are often the coolest character no?

[mighty zenith]

mhm

[fierce pagoda]

Dreadon is also kinda cool, but not Yharim tier

and Yharon is cool af too

[split mortar]

Calamity just has cool characters

[fierce pagoda]

and Scal is just there

[robust osprey]

I showed yharim's slightly summarized lore

they love him so much they hate all gods now

[fierce pagoda]

like shes all right, but shes not that cool to me

[robust osprey]

[robust osprey]

to my friends

[fierce pagoda]

lmao

Yharim just has that kinda pull

[hoary berry]

[robust osprey]

explode this creature

[split mortar]

Tell them about the horrors

[fierce pagoda]

the writers cooked with the Yharim propaganda writing

[split mortar]

True

[robust osprey]

which horrors

which one out of all of them

[split mortar]

Skeletron prime

[robust osprey]

ah yes I did

[fierce pagoda]

People really dgaf if a character is evil in the war criminal way

thats why warhammer40k is huge

[split mortar]

I also really like yharim as a character

Just

I know the guy aint good

[untold oracle]

You see they are called based

By many

If you kill one person youre evil and fucked up but if you kill millions youre a role model

[fierce pagoda]

reminds me of people who like Homelander, but they like him for the wrong reasons

Can't wait till homelander dies pathetically in season 5

[untold oracle]

From what ive seen homelander is just

Annoying as hell

Bro does everything for shock factor

[fierce pagoda]

He's a good character, most of his scenes are entertaining to watch, for me at least

but like, he's pathetic and yeah annoying if he was real

[split mortar]

DoG

[robust osprey]

literally dog

[fierce pagoda]

Wish we had more DoG dialogue ngl,

like he says more when he dies so that i can really savor his death

[snow mountain]

i need more aura to make it more of a dilemma

[robust osprey]

dilemma? bro killed millions of innocent ppl

he is probably the reason of your most hated boss!!

[fierce pagoda]

lets see... most hated boss is plague bringer goliath

uhh, kinda?

[robust osprey]

uuuhh

yharim freed PBG so

yeah kinda

[fierce pagoda]

yeah Dreadon made it, but would dreadon still have made it if he wasnt working for Yharim and got the resources for it?

and yeah Yharbo freed it so hes partially responsible anyways

why did Dreadon start making the nanobots at all

[split mortar]

Yharim wanting mechs lead draedon to wanting to control organic life

[split mortar]

To be able to control the living

[fierce pagoda]

all right, I'll chalk it up to dual responsibility for my most hated boss

Dreadon and Yharim, when i catch you two...

[cloud ibex]

I thought it would be funny

I chuckled so it was

😁

[dusk laurel]

[split mortar]

I did t even ping you

@dusk laurel

[dusk laurel]

did t

[split mortar]

[snow mountain]

yeah but that amiguity makes it interesting

[cosmic minnow]

NO

CALAMITAS IS COOL ASF

[split mortar]

Idk how much ambiguity can be added to john genocide

[snow mountain]

it allows the player to infer from what they've seen that he's bad

[cosmic minnow]

LITERALLY ALL TIME FAVOURITE VIDEOGAME CHARACTER

[snow mountain]

ie the corpse golem

[cosmic minnow]

ok maybe I just love her theme too

[snow mountain]

must be a low bar

[robust osprey]

deltarune:

[cosmic minnow]

I never played that

Though in general games in that style don’t appeal to me

I rarely played story driven games

Now I’m gonna unleash all the hate upon myself

For saying stuff like deltarune doesn’t interest me

[robust osprey]

I mean

[snow mountain]

i still regard my main man james sunderland as the best written character smh

[robust osprey]

you can play and dont give a shit about the story

and pretty much just

skip it

theres a whole YURI scene that you can just

skip

[mighty zenith]

deltarune is a funny game the way it gives you interactions even if you skip things the game wants you to see

i think its at least worth a shot, the first 2 chapters are free

[robust osprey]

tru

and you get

fucking YURI

🔥 🔥 🔥

[mighty zenith]

||you can wait like 5 minutes reading susie and noelle dialogue in chapter 4||

deltaune spoilers ofc

[robust osprey]

wokerune

[cloud ibex]

That one video of the guy playing Undertale going “wait a minute I thought alphys was…. a girl…..”

[robust osprey]

LMAO

[mighty zenith]

good lord theres lebiens

[cloud ibex]

Good lord there’s lebanese

[real silo]

Tres biens

[pliant ruin]

one could say

it dosen't want you

to take too long.

[mighty zenith]

i dont get it

[pliant ruin]

have u not played the new chapters yet 😔

youre taking too long garbo

(to play them, i mean)

[mighty zenith]

im going thru chapter 4

[pliant ruin]

ohhh okay yeah makes sense

[mighty zenith]

i had to replay chapter 3 ||for the knight||

[pliant ruin]

yep

[mighty zenith]

||also fuck the egg for chapter 3 im not doing that again||

[thick slate]

i dont even have deltarune yet 💤

i will soon

[limpid saddle]

me when i lie

[rotund shore]

||Im trying to beat the knight on my first playthrough since I found the shadow mantle on my own thankfully, wooo boy this fight seems hard||

[pliant ruin]

it is very hard!

very!

[limpid saddle]

this makes me wonder what Draedon thinks of the designation 'Exo Mechs', & if he has a more formal name for the model line

[pliant ruin]

i mean exo mechs seems like a pretty good desgination to me since its literally just a shortening of Exo (as in exotic resonance) machines

[snow mountain]

exo mechs 2

they are real

will release tomorrow

[pliant ruin]

i think draedon would be fine with that one

its not stupid unlike the name of the normal mechs !

[snow mountain]

tomorrow

[limpid saddle]

Yeah but given the model names I guess I assumed he would have a more wordy & overcomplicated name like 'ER-Models 44-88'

[pliant ruin]

Isn't it like uhh

[snow mountain]

john exo mechs

[pliant ruin]

he kinda has that sort of stuff already

XS-01 Artemis

[thick slate]

ww

[pliant ruin]

X is Exo idk what S is

[snow mountain]

sussy

[thick slate]

stands for sight

[mighty zenith]

||its the hardest fight in the game||

[pliant ruin]

I think the number is the model number

[mighty zenith]

||give mantle to susie, stack up on revive mints||

[snow mountain]

sotha sil

tis sotha sil

[thick slate]

01 is how many prototypes it took

[pliant ruin]

yeahhh

that

[thick slate]

i thought yall knew thism,,,,

this is like knowledge that even i know

[snow mountain]

vivec

[pliant ruin]

i knew i just wasn't 100% sure 😔

[snow mountain]

and the tribunal lady whose name i can't spell right

[mighty zenith]

the s stands for soup

[limpid saddle]

my bank account cries for mercy but my heart sings for deltarune

[pliant ruin]

exo soup

yummy

[pliant ruin]

worth

[mighty zenith]

god bless toby for adjusting the price better for my country

[dusk laurel]

deltarune next year

[tranquil seal]

Deltarune… yesterday???

[robust osprey]

ooh it has adjusted price

so fucking peak

for me it was $12.50

🙏

literally half price

[noble niche]

Chris pratt plays suzie in the new deltarune chapter

[faint plank]

christ pratt as snow grave

[robust osprey]

jack black as ralsei

the SHADOW CRISTAL!

[noble niche]

This... is the DARK WORLD

[robust osprey]

BERDLY JOCKEY

[noble niche]

You guys delta and you two rune, we're gonna deltarune

[long bloom]

calamity lore discussion moment

[frigid sage]

Zendaya as Kris

[untold oracle]

Dwayne johnson as queen

[snow mountain]

joe biden as

snands

omni you have been kicked from the blunt rotation

rolled worst blunt ever

[wheat walrus]

wrong

i will twist the knife in the belly of the monster

i am destroying castles in the sky ❤️‍🩹 yes im the angel of the blade ❤️‍🩹 yes ill collect us from the night ❤️‍🩹

[snow mountain]

who the fuck laced your shit

[split mortar]

Night like the knight???

[wheat walrus]

yes i woke tf up ❤️‍🩹 yes im wiping the system ❤️‍🩹 i will back tf up afterwards too

[snow mountain]

omni sending memes in the lore channel 💔

[wheat walrus]

melon im gonna abuse my admin perms in sscls on you

[long bloom]

okay can we actually stop talking about deltarune now

[snow mountain]

twas not sscls

[wheat walrus]

true...

[wheat walrus]

erm no memes i nggeneral guys

memes in general are a big nono

[snow mountain]

rolled worst blunt ever

asked to leave the lore channel blunt rotation

[wheat walrus]

yappattus 😔

[cloud ibex]

no i agree with incattus here

please don't just like

send random memes here

[wheat walrus]

everyone was offtopic anyways 💔

[snow mountain]

as patron lore saint

i decry

[cloud ibex]

yea but that doesn't mean you need to send offtopic memes as well

anyway lore discussion

[wheat walrus]

symgau

[split mortar]

:(

[wheat walrus]

symgau^2

since it's melon gun

[snow mountain]

i need something else to intensely think about cal lore wise and accidentally get it correct

[split mortar]

Stfu

[wheat walrus]

ts so tuff boi 🍈🔫

[split mortar]

?

[wheat walrus]

symgau melon

[snow mountain]

can we euthanise these users

[wheat walrus]

nop, non è questo il modo

[dusk laurel]

🥀

[wheat walrus]

anyways, before the calmain mods get the urge to take off people's perms since they can't live wout doing that

[snow mountain]

can we just kill you people

[wheat walrus]

talk abt lore or sum

nop

[snow mountain]

therres no lore to talk about since my theory was right

[split mortar]

How strong is auric rejection

[dusk laurel]

strong enough

[wheat walrus]

melon gun that's powerscaling

[split mortar]

Lore enough

[cloud ibex]

did you really need to throw shade like this

[wheat walrus]

no :3

[snow mountain]

should get warned for such perfidy mylord

[split mortar]

Mods, warn the omni

[frozen zodiac]

i think we should all be nice to each other and eat cake

[wheat walrus]

how it feel getting a ping but it's melon gun in calmain after linking some calc i did several months to a random

[wheat walrus]

depends

[cloud ibex]

i think you're onto something

anyway please just like

[split mortar]

Wait me forwarding the calcs ping you

[cloud ibex]

go back to lore discussioning

[wheat walrus]

no but you often ping me anyways

[snow mountain]

how does king vendrick fit into cal lore

[wheat walrus]

dang is that not what i proposed earlier

anyways

what lore topuc

topic*

draedon

[split mortar]

Does auric make endless charge lile prisms

[wheat walrus]

talk abt anything draedon

[split mortar]

Is draedon hot

[snow mountain]

no if i mention the hypothetical i will be banned

[wheat walrus]

o btw i was thinking on how to explain exoprisms' supposedly limitless energy

[split mortar]

Incattus, explode

[wheat walrus]

i need to look more into the topic itself doe

[split mortar]

👁️

[wheat walrus]

this came to me in a mh discussion about the same exact topic 💔

anyways, what you need to know is the idea of conservation of energy only working if spacetime is a constant,,,

[warm gull]

the greeks

greco

[wheat walrus]

kill this guy

[thick slate]

the dai

[pulsar ocean]

Mustard

Or ketchup

[cosmic zenith]

Some people do Cal roleplay because they want to write cool fanfic and worldbuilding
I do Calamity roleplay because I want to give my character the power to make Caramelldansen play on loop in Xeroc's mind

We are not the same

My, this place has grown so boring....

[spring helm]

release the update!

save lore discussion channel

[robust osprey]

make an insane lore drop

[cosmic zenith]

Insane lore drop: Sans befriends Yharim's mom

[cyan kernel]

sans manages to ascend to heaven fr

[cosmic zenith]

Would you guys rather have a breadcrumb of upcoming lore content of a full bread of surrounding worldbuilding?

[dusk laurel]

world building

[limpid saddle]

i want the breadcrumb

[dusk laurel]

your greed sickens me

[mighty zenith]

Kids, have you met Mr. Undertale?

[sinful adder]

Full bread

[split mortar]

The rp is mentioned a probably weirdly high amount in lore chat lmao

[cosmic zenith]

It's the best way to comment about it tbh

Let me create a poll

[cosmic zenith]

1️⃣ Content breacrumb
2️⃣ Worldbuilding bread

[rotund shore]

Lmaooo

[stark basalt]

i was very tempted to react to this with just bread

but thatd mess up the poll

actually i can just do this

[cosmic zenith]

Damn, seems pretty unanimous to me

[faint totem]

Trying to add a reaction on mobile is hell

[sinful adder]

Ralsei can you make deltarune canon

[faint totem]

Oh I just straight up can’t react unless someone does it first lol

[cosmic zenith]

Goddamn, you guys are hungry for worldbuilding

[faint totem]

REVEAL TO US THE WAYS OF THE LAND GOAT BOY!

[cosmic zenith]

There we go, enjoy!

[split mortar]

Oh yo

[faint totem]

I’m guessing they wanted Areilate to themselves

[cosmic zenith]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[faint totem]

Right, it’s world building not politics

[cosmic zenith]

Politics is included in worldbuilding but I deliberately am not sharing that part here

[faint totem]

Fair.

[cosmic zenith]

It's nice I got to share this because it covers some important topics to understand how Chrysadia is organized in space and some design choices I went with for the Clouded Acropolis

[faint totem]

Hell yeah

[heavy zenith]

well i guess i'll change the script for my video im working on lmao

[cosmic zenith]

?

Note that this isn't treated as canon yet

[heavy zenith]

o

[cosmic zenith]

Since it's not ingame

[heavy zenith]

disregard

[cunning flare]

Why doesn't the plague appear until after you kill Golem? That couldn't have been when Yharim released the plaguebringer goliath because:

1. The lab starts out already destroyed on worldgen

2. Draedon's last interaction with Yharim was a year before the start of the game

[cosmic zenith]

Currently, it's completely abitrary

Which yes, sucks

But we're planning on changing it so you can release the Plague anytime

[faint totem]

Maybe Golem has some kinda receiver inside him that the lhizahl stole from Draedon and killing him activates it.

[faint totem]

Maybe not “anytime”, I doubt we could handle a Plauge preboss.

[cosmic zenith]

Well, that's why you shouldn't release it preboss

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[faint totem]

Counterpoint, machocists.

[cunning flare]

You probably could. You can enter the lizahrd temple pre boss, and even with it having post plantera enemies and post plantera traps, it is still not the most dangerous biome even in prehardmode.

[cosmic zenith]

It'll be fun to them

(I am a masochist)

[faint totem]

Golem will still murder you tho

[magic epoch]

you can't summon golem

[cunning flare]

You can't fight golem pre plantera

Or pre two mech

[magic epoch]

two mech?

[cunning flare]

There's an alternate summon item that's post two mech

[magic epoch]

if it's because of anvil that's post 1 mech

[cunning flare]

Ah right

[faint totem]

Yeah that makes more sense. Still tho, a Plauge will murder us

[faint totem]

Not if the materials are post mech 2

[cunning flare]

Alternatively, if you don't want to fight plantera or a mech, you can also fight golem post moon lord or post yharon

[magic epoch]

really the only material is like

Specifically 2 mech souls and adamantite/titanium

and cryonic

[cunning flare]

Actually, it's crafted with tablet fragments and essence of sunlight at a hardmode anvil

[faint totem]

Oh yeah

[magic epoch]

i mean those are really the only post 2 mech materials

[cunning flare]

Tablet fragments are pre boss, essence of sunlight is early hardmode, and the hardmode anvil is post one mech

[magic epoch]

i mean these

[cunning flare]

Ah right

[faint totem]

What would happen if released the Plauge by accident

[magic epoch]

how do you do that by accident

[faint totem]

By that logic all the enemy buffs/things that make the game harder should be able to be activated preboss

[faint totem]

Sheer stupidity

[cosmic zenith]

Not really? Everything is about balance

[magic epoch]

• accidentally summon golem
• accidentally kill golem

[cosmic zenith]

Not too little, not too much

[cunning flare]

Ok so as far as I can tell, the only reason you can't fight golem in prehardmode is because of the essence of sunlight requirement, and even that depends on whether cinderplates can be shimmered

[magic epoch]

no

all the plate variants shimmer into eachother in a cycle iirc

[cunning flare]

Yeah, this is how it works, I just somehow managed to miss it

[winged oxide]

i just learned about the lore is yharim even the villain?

[cunning flare]

Yes

[magic epoch]

vVery

[winged oxide]

he had a good reason to hate the gods though

[calm patio]

him killing millions of people

[cunning flare]

Indeed he did. But he isn't exactly better than them.

[calm patio]

mmm

[magic epoch]

if you're thinking yharim isn't a villain, you are quite literally falling for the yharim propaganda

[winged oxide]

the video may have scammed me

[cunning flare]

Yharim is right, the gods did do some awful things. But wrong does not justify wrong.

[magic epoch]

there are both good gods and evil gods
yharim wanted them all dead

[heavy zenith]

all gods killed a dragon tho

[magic epoch]

and not all dragons were good

[cunning flare]

This does not justify a genocide

[heavy zenith]

we don't know that though, all we know is that they 'protected Terraria'

[cunning flare]

All gods, whether they had good reasons or not, objectively did participate in a genocide, and that objectively is an evil thing

[winged oxide]

so yharim had the right reasons but accomplished his goal in a bad way?

[sinful adder]

No

[heavy zenith]

^

[magic epoch]

not necessarily

[sinful adder]

Not even close

[dusk laurel]

the gods were not fully organized in the slightest, this wasnt some grand plan

[sinful adder]

He would like you to believe that

[manic coral]

This is always a fun discussion to watch whenever it happens

[sinful adder]

Remember: all the lore items are written BY yharim, the politician who is really good at convincing people of things

[cunning flare]

Good gods exist, but I'm of the belief that, since all gods participated in a genocide, a god should be assumed to be evil unless they can prove that they are good.

That being said, Yharim did not give any god a chance to prove that they are good.

[dusk laurel]

sure, the wiping out of an entire group of beings is bad, but this does not justify a genocide against the gods either

[heavy zenith]

we will avenge the genocide of this kind by genociding THAT kind

ell oh ell ecks dee

[cunning flare]

Yharim also forced a child soldier to wipe out an entire civilization of mortals

[magic epoch]

[heavy zenith]

THAT is true

[cunning flare]

And he gave infinite resources and a blank check to a robot who's pretty open about not caring for morals, and then didn't provide any oversight to make sure that that robot wasn't doing evil things

[heavy zenith]

In all, it's really up to the player to decide if he's a reliable narrator or not i guess

[heavy zenith]

you can say the same for hiring DoG

[manic coral]

Yellow man bad

[cunning flare]

I actually consider hiring dog to be one of his milder crimes. It's still a bad thing, but not nearly as bad as the rest of the things he was already doing

Oh yeah he also imprisoned so many people in the dungeon and then didn't do anything about their souls for so long that polterghast was formed

[sinful adder]

See, here's the thing, they didn't. It wasn't organized. They participated in murder in most cases, but not genocide

[dusk laurel]

i think yharim targetting basically the entire planet is pretty bad idk

[heavy zenith]

and ghosted the cult when they told him to clean up his own mess💀

[dusk laurel]

especially with the hundreds of millions dead from direct casualties

and thats only direct

[cunning flare]

It doesn't have to be organized to be a genocide. all auric dragons except Yharim were killed.

Also, it was pretty organized, given that the dragon cult had planned for Yharim to absorb Yharon's soul and become the king of the gods

[dusk laurel]

dragon cult is the one in the dungeon

[cloud ibex]

yea but was the fuckers who wanted yharim to ascend all gods

[sinful adder]

No. That wasn't the dragon cult

And it was not at all organized. You're misunderstanding what happened

[heavy zenith]

i was boutta say, didn't the gods want yharim to be the god king?

[dusk laurel]

some did

not all

[sinful adder]

Some specific gods

And then he rebelled

[heavy zenith]

hey so like, do the gods have access to the Aerie?

[cloud ibex]

presumably some of them did at one point

[cunning flare]

Given that Yharon's egg was hidden in the Aerie, probably. They had to retrieve it somehow.

[heavy zenith]

right^

[cloud ibex]

given they had access to yharon's egg

[long bloom]

[sinful adder]

Only a few did

And it certainly wasn't given willingly

[pliant ruin]

guys there were evil dragons

guys the gods weren't a organized society working together and most were independent from eachother thus the fact some of them were bad dosent justify killing all of them

guys yharim blew up a entire civilization killing thousands of innocents and probably causing the extinction of several native species using his Child Soldier Which He Manipulated just because there were 2 (benevolent and loved by their people) gods there

guys .

[long bloom]

shut up nerd

[pliant ruin]

guys he had a War Crime Division

guys he literally had a Division of his Army dedicated to Burning Sites of Worship (with People Inside)

guys you're all really bad at explaining why yharim is bad

[cosmic zenith]

Not to mention his "good intention" has explicitly been genocide from the very start

Also hello Gorthus

[untold oracle]

nah yharim is a good guy compared to the gods

they killed zeratros in a treacherous act of betrayal (very painful too)

have you read the lore items? it clearly is stated there!

[dusk laurel]

😭

[robust osprey]

yeah the war criminal said gods are fucking evil I'll trust him

[hallow harness]

genocide man bad 🤯 😱

[heavy zenith]

is there anything in game talking about the war crim division?

[young socket]

skeletron prime whisper

[heavy zenith]

wow how did i skip over that

[cosmic zenith]

Oh yeah @pliant ruin I shared this earlier

[cosmic zenith]

What did you all think? Anything that caught your eye?

[terse cairn]

Not even just Zeratos the genocide of the gods was explicitly a response to the mass murder, eradication, and yes, genocide of the Dragons

Every god is complicit in the genocide of the dragon race and directly contributed to it in the search of power

[dusk laurel]

🥀

[terse cairn]

And as such are guilty of a crime dedicated solely for strengthening oneself

Yes genocide man bad

But also genocide man isn’t genociding meaninglessly

And regardless of how “good” or “evil” the gods were they are still guilty of genocide themselves

[dusk laurel]

the concept of nuance doesnt exist anymore

the masses yearn for more yhapaganda

[terse cairn]

That being said Yharim is most certainly not a good guy and committed many many war crimes

[dusk laurel]

and what evidence is there had that says all gods were in for the power

[dusk laurel]

it is meaningless, it accomplishes nothing

"revenge" is inherently flawed, especially when it wont bring back the auric dragons

all that resulted from it was the deaths of hundreds of millions of innocents

[languid badge]

and a regime change

[eager bluff]

congrats you are now ruled over by someone who cares about you probably even less than the regime that you had before even if your regime was turbo evil

[languid badge]

correct!

[dusk laurel]

like cool, most of the gods are gone, but now what

[eager bluff]

most of the gods are gone, cool, but what the fuck are you gonna do about that power vacuum

[terse cairn]

Sit on a throne and mope about how sad you are lmao

[sinful adder]

People REALLY gloss over the fact that the dragons oppressed the humans and didn't allow them to live on the surface, and that a bunch of them were evil

[heavy zenith]

where is that said tho\

[sinful adder]

Like, we know of 5 dragons, and 3 of them are evil, if I remember correctly

You have to do some investigating, it isn't outright stated

[cosmic zenith]

Which ones, out of curiosity

[terse cairn]

Given it required the murder and consumption of the soul of another sapient, divine being it’d be difficult to rationalise. While it is a hasty generalisation to assume all gods did it for the power alone and not another more benevolent goal, it’s still inherently a desire for power that drove the ascension

[languid badge]

we know what, the 2 main ones, the one prov absorbed, and then like some sunken sea one? (I dont follow that much)

[cosmic zenith]

Dragons didn't stop humans from living on the surface, it's just that people were reasonably intimidated by the Dragons

[heavy zenith]

i dont think the dragons oppressed the humans, its actually my personal theory that the golden age of dragons was humanity's first contact with the dragons, but im not as knowledgable in this as others so i could be misinterpreting something

[terse cairn]

Huh, I’ve never heard of this.

[eager bluff]

i mean no

[dusk laurel]

what if the dragon told you to since it was gonna die permanently soon anyway

[terse cairn]

Where was this information found? I’d be interested in checking it out

[eager bluff]

a drive for power isnt a reason for everything

[terse cairn]

For all we know that could have happened with Zeratos and Xeroc

[dusk laurel]

flame - evil
life - ?
rebirth - ?, is now evil
death - chill maybe?
light - might be good? the sun was an oven during his reign however
gravity - ?????
gluttony - ?
frost - ???

[terse cairn]

What other benefit of absorbing a soul and denying its cycle of rebirth would there be?

That would inherently be the driving force to ascend would it not

[eager bluff]

what cycle of rebirth they hit a point where they werent coming back anyways

[terse cairn]

If they weren’t looking for power what would be their motive for absorbing a soul at all

[cosmic zenith]

Flame - Evil
Life - Chill
Death - Chill
Rebirth - Evil (formerly good)
Light - Good
Storm - Pretty good
Gravity - ???
Gluttony - Evil
Frost - ??

[dusk laurel]

oh my god i forgot vetrasyl 😭

[cosmic zenith]

Though keep in mind the Dragons referred to ingame are not an accurate representation of the whole

Most Auric Dragons were chill

[terse cairn]

Hmm, I clearly need to brush up on my lore

[cosmic zenith]

Chill being a range going from "oh, hello human!" to "leave me the fuck alone"

[eager bluff]

sometimes you kill a dragon because its being generally threatening/causing damage/being actively malevolent and while you're there the soul is just a bonus

[dry igloo]

Out of curiosity, with the change in leadership, will the lore be changing all that much?

[eager bluff]

no

[cosmic zenith]

Nope

[dusk laurel]

no

[dry igloo]

Well that’s a relief for my notes.

[eager bluff]

fab didnt do much of anything with the lore

[cosmic zenith]

Firstly, we had already established we don't want to retcon anything for the sake of readers
Secondly, Fabsol really wasn't very involved with the lore

[dry igloo]

I find Calamity’s world building to be amazing, so a DnD campaign for it is on the backburner.

[dry igloo]

Duly noted, thank ya kindly~

[eager bluff]

like you also have to ask the question of "if you already killed a dragon, why not absorb the soul"

[cosmic zenith]

I'm glad to hear! :D

[cosmic zenith]

No problem :)

[cosmic zenith]

As they're pointing out, the genocide of the Auric Dragons is a really complicated matter

[terse cairn]

Interesting. I’ll certainly have to look more in-depth into the dragon lore, I haven’t personally found much info on it yet

[cosmic zenith]

Yes, people incidentally partook in a genocide - but that genocide is made up of several isolated cases, which have varying levels of guilt and varying moral outlooks involved

[heavy zenith]

two words

[eager bluff]

its not the flat 2 sides yharim wants you to think it is

[heavy zenith]

World Soul

[dusk laurel]

yeah it split

[languid badge]

it feels less like a genocide and more like poaching

individual people killing them off one by one

[cosmic zenith]

Yeah

To my knowledge, the most organized efforts to kill Dragons would be akin to local hunter guilds

[terse cairn]

Unreliable narration after all

[cosmic zenith]

Which are hardly systematic genocide material

[eager bluff]

the word genocide implies humans have some level of control over auric dragons and really they dont

[terse cairn]

Obviously the guy who perpetrated the war is going to try and justify his reasoning

[cosmic zenith]

Tbf the state of the world very much had a bearing on Auric Dragons and it was established majorly by humans

Dragons simply didn't have a future

[eager bluff]

thats more akin to habitat loss no?

[cosmic zenith]

And that's because no matter how many virtuous people were there to protect them, there was the overbearing threat of eventually finding someone out to kill them

So it was either living under the constant threat of dying, or wasting away in a hideout

There were definitely Dragons who embraced their death, be it to ensure it was a peaceful departure, be it to get the choice of who would inherit their power, or be it due to simply acknowledging the age of Dragons was over

It's pretty sad, really

[dusk laurel]

so its kinda like when a species gets outcompeted and then eventually dies off

[eager bluff]

it was a pretty slow and drawn out death

[cosmic zenith]

Pretty much

[prime mauve]

Keep in mind there's a lot of reasons to want power

could they have been looking for power to protect others?

[cosmic zenith]

Some people also didn't really want power, but had to embrace it for one reason or another

[prime mauve]

Or did they want it just to rule over them?

Also

Ascension is not inherently cold blood murder

[cosmic zenith]

(It is still murder but it's not inherently violent)

[prime mauve]

yeah

I don't know like any of the actual ascension situations

But I do know that a dragon could absolutely choose to let someone do it

for whatever reason they might

Ascension is not a black and white moral issue

[eager bluff]

the morality of ascension is, much like everything with humanity, fucktangular at best

[cosmic zenith]

Would you like to

[prime mauve]

i don't know

it would be cool to know but then I have the burden of now I know and can't speculate

then again I never come here anyway

[cosmic zenith]

That's pretty relatable

[cosmic zenith]

Yep
It ranged from "the dragon literally asked me to do it but I still feel really guilty"
To "I will kill this bitch and use its power to make the world as I please"

You people can probably guess which is which with all the shit we've revealed here over time

I should probably mention that nothing is canon until it is in the game, so don't take all this as canon but as potential/upcoming canon!

[glacial rampart]

what terraria youtubers see

[heavy zenith]

lmao take this all as canon. CANON!!

[glacial rampart]

silva chill af no way she did murdere ed

[cosmic zenith]

(There isn't really anything about how Silva was so that's kind of a hunch, but yes she did murder a Dragon yet she's not evil)

[terse cairn]

CANON? Where!

[heavy zenith]

OVER THERE!! points at fandom

[gaunt sluice]

what are the lore implications of giant trees at sulphurous sea

[heavy zenith]

mutations?