#lore-discussion

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split mortar
proven rivet
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Silva is truly unkillable as there's plants in the background

magic epoch
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Isn't her immortality limited to our own

deft vessel
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?

split mortar
magic epoch
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I mean like our planet

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I've heard that somewhere

deft vessel
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I guess

split mortar
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Yeah its just this planet but nothing can really
Destroy it

warm iris
split mortar
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Even your own life fills the quota for immortality

warm iris
limpid saddle
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Well no its because now every possible thing that could've brought it back is now murdered, by you, & Yharon, even if he isn't dead right now technically, without any organized forces backing him or even a single trusted companion can do nothing but wallow in his failure

warm iris
warm gull
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finally a true yharim patriot in these trying times

random mulch
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yharpaganda got one

wheat walrus
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alright lore people start speculating on what will be of this chat in 15 years

dusk laurel
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dead

split mortar
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Dead

wheat walrus
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🔥

stuck shore
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What do the C and Y represent in Calamity logo

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Since they have the same palette for the logo

split mortar
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The Y is yharims insignia or something iirc

stoic gulch
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Ye

swift ferry
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the C is Calamitas's insignia (I don't know I'm making shit up I bet she doesn't have an insignia)

stuck shore
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Calamit Ye

stark basalt
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Calam it

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Calamitify it

jolly edge
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Calaming it

faint totem
heavy zenith
robust osprey
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if thats not yharims insignia it would mean

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nothing

split mortar
long bloom
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it's explicitly confirmed the calamity Y is in fact yharim's insignia

robust osprey
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debunked...

Screenshot_20250603-1831212.png
robust osprey
dusk laurel
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calamity y

covert blaze
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Calamyty

robust osprey
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cylymyty

long bloom
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yyyyyyyyyy

dusk laurel
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do you guys think yharon would say dad jokes

split mortar
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No cause they cant talk

long bloom
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yeah he can

dusk laurel
long bloom
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he says his message to his master clueless

dusk laurel
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dragons could very obviously talk to each other

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cant really build an effective society when its just gestures

young socket
dusk laurel
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correcto

robust osprey
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b..but...akato..!

glacial rampart
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thats most bosses honestly

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like

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providence doesnt have anything to say to you

split mortar
astral fjord
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It seems that Slime God moving to HM is one of tier shifts that is more likely to happen, but how will that affect the Slime God’s lore with the Slime Queen?
Also, I’ve seen that the Guardians and Provi are in love so is that the lore explanation for why she fights you after you kill them?

dusk laurel
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queen slime will simply be a rogue paladin now

long bloom
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lame

dusk laurel
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queen slime is already lame this doesnt change anything

pliant ruin
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queen slime is like the lamest

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its

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incredibly anticlimatic

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wow guys slime god escaped

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cant wait to refight it

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what do you mean the "refight" is just a vanilla boss
which also happens to be like the worst vanilla boss

split mortar
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Fart sound effect

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On death

dusk laurel
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relogic and making hm just chock full of boss refights

faint totem
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Honestly she needs some kinda rework. Because she’s just kinda bad

faint totem
astral fjord
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Mechs?

split mortar
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Mech bosses entire identity

faint totem
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I guess mechs would count

faint totem
dusk laurel
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calamity doesnt help either

robust osprey
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hell yeah bring me the first cal boss but with more green

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and put it into early hm

light linden
dusk laurel
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yes, please make me fight queen bee again ❤️

light linden
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oh aquatic scourge

astral fjord
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The reworks will fix AS, trust

dusk laurel
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aqua scoog is already being saved by the righteous new government

light linden
dusk laurel
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girl

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its literally a queen bee

robust osprey
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hell yeah more fishron please

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but OLDER

dusk laurel
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old duke is very likely getting replaced

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🙏

long bloom
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fish of theseus

dusk laurel
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fish of theseus

robust osprey
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give me the refight of the refight (exos)

faint totem
light linden
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ehh

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they have a good base but it just devolves into random chaos

dusk laurel
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mecha mayhem

robust osprey
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doesnt change the fact they're just upgraded mechs which are already upgraded bosses

faint totem
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Oh, and don’t forget SLIME GOD! Which is just king slime but now there’s two and world evil based!

light linden
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I don't like the new slime god model tbh

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looks too plain imo

robust osprey
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ssh dont say that, the last time we had a king slime refight it was removed...

dusk laurel
long bloom
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and DUKE FISHRON
but AGAIN

dusk laurel
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I LOVE REFIGHTING BOSSES

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i love just, doing the same thing over and over again in one playthrough

long bloom
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i would say something really funny but it's patron info

robust osprey
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my cat should be a calamity boss

faint totem
split mortar
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Scal and calclone

faint totem
light linden
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ngl I hate the scal fight

robust osprey
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give me ghost plantera

light linden
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specifically how it pauses for bullet hell phases

faint totem
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What bosses don’t have a buffed/nerfed version that you fight in hm/phm?

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Including calamity

robust osprey
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brimmy

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cryo

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deerclops!

rotund shore
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brain

dusk laurel
# dusk laurel i kind of agree

sg doesnt really showcase itself being a divine being at all, at least its eye frantically looking around and the color pallete demonstrate some sort of characterization

robust osprey
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WoF

robust osprey
light linden
dusk laurel
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those are being overhauled

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and moved

light linden
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oh

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where to?

dusk laurel
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early post ml

robust osprey
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swapped with folly

rotund shore
light linden
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huh?

woeful karma
light linden
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I

robust osprey
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and folly would be sky instead of jungle

light linden
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I don't

faint totem
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Crabulon doesn’t have one

woeful karma
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play wrath of the machines 🙏

light linden
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I do not get the post-ml movement but ok

robust osprey
rotund shore
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I always found the evil bosses being one after another a bit sad

faint totem
woeful karma
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anyways hopefully the "x boss but harder" ends with the death of fabsol's design philosophy

light linden
dusk laurel
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too crowded

robust osprey
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nl

dusk laurel
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like

robust osprey
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no

dusk laurel
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theres

robust osprey
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just no

dusk laurel
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so many bosses there already

robust osprey
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7 bosses

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8 counting calclone

faint totem
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Lev and siren don’t have versions

robust osprey
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just no

light linden
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also

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what is folly's ai?

faint totem
rotund shore
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dumb idiot bird AI I think

woeful karma
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folly dashes its dukeslop

pliant ruin
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actually no

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folly isnt duke

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its worse

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folly is mothron .

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a regular enemy .

faint totem
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Prof guardians are unique

robust osprey
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LMAO

faint totem
robust osprey
rotund shore
dusk laurel
robust osprey
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provi literally summoning guardians:

faint totem
robust osprey
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well I mean

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kinda but not really?

woeful karma
faint totem
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Ceaseless and signus are unique

woeful karma
rotund shore
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folly is a sad boss in its current state

faint totem
pliant ruin
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provi is ice queen

rotund shore
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I either do it
A. first try while the credits from ML are rolling
B. Post DoG when it does literally nothing

robust osprey
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okay but whos pumpking

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skeletron does not count

faint totem
long bloom
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yeah

rotund shore
faint totem
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I don’t fight ice queen, are they actually

pulsar ocean
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would draedon enjoy deltarune

light linden
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ngl still kinda upset about the moon events being unbuffed eventually

pliant ruin
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yes provi is ice queen ai

dusk laurel
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waiter, waiter! more reused vanilla ai please!

light linden
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they were a fun way to test my dps

faint totem
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Also the main reason I said provi is an empress variant is cause of the whole day/night difference thing

pliant ruin
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you know what boss isnt reused AI

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thats right

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scal brothers

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the ones that

dusk laurel
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its true

pliant ruin
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werent coded by fabsol

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and are like

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often one of the most praised parts of the scal fight

light linden
rotund shore
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I need to properly fight reworked scal
I've only ever done it with post scal gear

dusk laurel
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what purpose could they have possibly fufilled

light linden
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and there's also

glacial rampart
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the buffed moons are ass lowkey

light linden
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no events post ml

dusk laurel
faint totem
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You do realize now that youve said that, they’re probably going to use their ai to make a miniboss/replace the twins clone that is calclone’s brothers, albeit nerfed.

pliant ruin
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ngl i dont think bloating the stats of a vanilla event counts as having "post ml events"

dusk laurel
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they are NOTHING, its a just stat increase with 1 new drop for each one

pliant ruin
faint totem
pliant ruin
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why would the devs do that

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theyre not stupid

spare pier
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I'm stupid actually

light linden
pliant ruin
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ur a exception

light linden
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and I do not care

spare pier
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Bro I was expecting you to like

light linden
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having something to test my dps that isn't a boss is fun

spare pier
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Say "No Reb you aren't stupid"

rotund shore
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LMAO

spare pier
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But sure fuck you

hoary cape
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Reb you aren't stupid

pliant ruin
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LOL

dusk laurel
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lmao

light linden
faint totem
hoary cape
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I am though which is why I won't apply to be a dev ever XD

pliant ruin
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well now i feel bad

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okay reb

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ur not stupid

hoary cape
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Even though I like coding

pliant ruin
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yayyy yayyy

spare pier
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Don't I'm joking

pliant ruin
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ok

light linden
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oh nvm I got it

pliant ruin
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reb ur stupid

light linden
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hi rebecca

spare pier
hoary cape
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I am banning cheese for you Reb

spare pier
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Hi Thunder

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Thank you

young socket
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hey reb

light linden
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can I ask a question please?

rotund shore
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So glad im checking in on this channel now

spare pier
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Yeah

split mortar
hoary cape
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Cheese is now banned

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No cheese allowed anymore

pliant ruin
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wait right i'm supposed to be coding

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its gyrating theme

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goo bye

hoary cape
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You are banned

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Get out smh

glacial rampart
dusk laurel
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i love when an enemy does more damage than a boss

light linden
spare pier
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Why would there be?

light linden
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idk

spare pier
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There are no Post ML events because we haven't made any yet

light linden
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I didn't write the lore

rotund shore
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idk how there'd be a lore reason for the absence of smth

light linden
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I thought there just weren't going to be any

dusk laurel
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thunder, youre forgetting that the mod is very unfinished

pliant ruin
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the evil acid rain t3 and the evil dragonfolly event and the evil yharmy event

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(the latter two aren't Confirmed but ... still

spare pier
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Yharmy won't be an event per say

pliant ruin
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its clear the devs have plans to add events

robust osprey
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empowered goblin army with signus as boss at the end like od

spare pier
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There might be something in the Distortion later

rotund shore
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yharmy event would be funny, I need 70 year old boomer with a shotgun who is a diehard yharim fan to be in the game its hilarious

spare pier
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But

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That's so far into the future it's irrelevant to think about

glacial rampart
spare pier
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This is literally just "the Distortion could maybe have one now that I think about it"

light linden
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I'm just hoping the distortion has glowing trees and/or grass that we can take with us to the main world

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still wish I could take the glowing water from the nameless deity place

split mortar
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Gatorade

faint totem
dusk laurel
rotund shore
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the distortions wildlife is something that im curious about for certain

faint totem
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Tf is the distortion

rotund shore
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place dog is from

faint totem
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Oh yeah

glacial rampart
faint totem
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I forgor bout that

faint totem
glacial rampart
supple bluff
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Anyone know where the design for Yharim came from according to the artist? Or I a better phrasing does anybody know the inspiration?

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I have a theory about it

long bloom
supple bluff
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New question mark

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This one

long bloom
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that's the old one

supple bluff
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Oh?

long bloom
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this is the new one

7eb42dd3-955a-4c22-af73-675cb883cbd0.png
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(they're gonna change it a bit)

real silo
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Ganondorf or something

long bloom
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anyway you could probably just ask them what their inspiration was

supple bluff
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Oh jesus

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I mean the theory still stands

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Recently been getting into Warhammer and found out about the Adeptus Custodes

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And the colors seemed really familiar

real silo
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Gold knight armor

long bloom
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i don't see the resemblance

supple bluff
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Gold armor with red plooms and blue weapons

real silo
long bloom
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like at all

long bloom
real silo
supple bluff
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Blue as in the accent color to glowing parts of Yharims design

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Cause I'm awesome

long bloom
real silo
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And not like aerialite or whatever the new equivalent is

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o

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Crazy

supple bluff
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But anyway

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I asked my Warhammer obsessed friend about it

real silo
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Blue gold red just goes well together it's a common colour scheme

supple bluff
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And he said specifically that color they are painted with is called Auric Gold

long bloom
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hmmm

real silo
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Crazy

supple bluff
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And he has no clue what calamity is and has never touched terraria

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So it's not like he's messing with me

real silo
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Well auric could just be

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Au as in aurum

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Not au as in aura

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Pretty sure cal auric is auraric not aurumic

supple bluff
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I'm just saying Auric Gold armor with glowing blue accents and specifically the red plooms

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Just all reaaally similar and was wondering if that was just heavy inspo or crazy similar coincidence

real silo
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Well maybe it's not common and I'm biased because I'm a cal fan

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Idk

supple bluff
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Yes but you can't tell me you look at this and don't think it looks like auric armor

long bloom
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auric ore was added may 4, 2018 in case that helps at all

real silo
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Surely fabsol was a warhammer fan

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And that auric ore was a reference this whole time

supple bluff
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The set came out in 2015 it looks like

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Idk just fun little similarities, it would be cool to actually know if that was referenced at all in the making of the armor

long bloom
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the only way to find out is to ask the artist

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i could just ask fab but i really don't want to

supple bluff
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I do not recommend

manic coral
supple bluff
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Howdy cei

manic coral
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hi :D

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im trying to find ways to make time pass faster

supple bluff
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Any idea about this possible reference?

manic coral
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there is no reference afaik

supple bluff
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Well inspiration

manic coral
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just a coincidence as far as i am aware

supple bluff
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Still awesome

long bloom
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cei do we know the exact height of anyone besides cal

real silo
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Yharm

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9 ft or smth

dusk laurel
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isnt he like low 8ft

long bloom
real silo
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idk

faint totem
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Last time I checked Yharim’s 8 foot 1

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It feels like he should be taller, but nope, 8’1

woeful karma
supple bluff
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I thought Yharim was 9ft

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ALSO BTW

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ANOTHER EVIDENCE PIECE

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The average Custode is also 9ft tall

supple bluff
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But IG that is old art now

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To each their own but I much prefer the old art, I get it was over designed but I think the geometry should've stayed the same

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Plus in the crossover with YOMI they use the old art aswell in the promo instead of the new one, meaning imo that means they like it more

hoary cape
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yharim is 9ft tall

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but that's only because of his armour

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8'1 is the new 9ft tall

faint totem
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He got heels in his armor

long bloom
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thank god they're gonna bring it closer to the original design

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eventually

faint totem
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Now I can only think of Heeled Auric Telsa Cuisses.

woeful karma
long bloom
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it's not overdesigned, it's that every aspect of the design was meticulously detailed and thought out with how they interact with the other parts

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it's incredibly impressive how in depth they were able to go

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especially with the shit like the synthetic muscles, those were peak

woeful karma
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mhm

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the only thing i'd change on the design is making the feet humanoid and redesigning his sword
that's it

jovial stream
long bloom
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i'd change the sword and make the yellow slightly less ugly

long bloom
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there's more references

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here

hoary cape
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tall hair plume

jovial stream
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WOAH that’s sick thank you

long bloom
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most of the stuff in image 3 was wip but it's still insightful

hoary cape
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that is outdated though it still has the lizharhd feet lol

jovial stream
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Are those also from the twitter?

woeful karma
long bloom
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shoulderpad bombs 🔥🔥

long bloom
jovial stream
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Oh ok

hoary cape
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that art was made back when yharim was still a lizharhd lol

long bloom
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it did take a while to track down the full body in that high of quality though

hoary cape
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it's super old

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unless it's an updated version because i have seen them before, but the only ones we really have lol

long bloom
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what updated version

hoary cape
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i was asking lol

long bloom
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ah

hoary cape
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afaik those are like 5+ years old lol

jovial stream
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I’ve been trying to track down all I can about the old lore here lately, and it’s proven pretty difficult

manic coral
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have i got news for you

long bloom
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cei coming in clutch

manic coral
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does somebody still have the link to my old doc before i was a dev

long bloom
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i might

manic coral
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i actually cant find it

long bloom
jovial stream
manic coral
long bloom
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yey

manic coral
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this is actually comprehensive

jovial stream
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More comprehensive than the one I sent?

manic coral
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this has everything

hoary cape
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the one you sent has boss lore

manic coral
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i made it back when i was like 16

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god

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i hate saying that

hoary cape
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i think i was around when you first posted it lol

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because afaik the super old lore was like still a thing around when i rejoined

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and then got replaced by this stuff

manic coral
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my take on old lore is

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it's proof that there's a difference between interesting and good

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it was very "ok"

hoary cape
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old lore was just way too over powered

jovial stream
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Personally, I always really loved the old lore

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The new lore is objectively better written though

manic coral
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i agree (not biased at all)

hoary cape
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Bias 🤯

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in the calamity discord server? how could you

faint totem
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We should be able to customize our auric telsa armor. Not with different stats per say, more like using accessories that literally nobody uses or are pretty much useless for all but a specific niche thing to visually modify our armor, like using the step stool to give our cuisses heels.

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Nvm

jovial stream
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Ok that doc is way better than what I had, thank you

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It doesn’t quite have EVERYTHING, but I don’t think there was a single place that did

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All scattered across the wiki and the discord

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That’s why it’s been so hard to find, cause there are also probably other places that I’m just not aware of

long bloom
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total calamity wiki clueless

hoary cape
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total calamity wiki wasn't even canon back then lol

jovial stream
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LOL

pliant ruin
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Total calamity is a roleplay thing...

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which

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may or may not have been originally what roy was inspired on (crazy)

jovial stream
long bloom
jovial stream
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What is that?

long bloom
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idk

jovial stream
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It appears that it’s a whole calamity fangame

violet sparrow
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idk who wrote what but I need to

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clean things up

manic coral
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oh hello mrrp

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alright will add you back to caldev so you can do that rq

pliant ruin
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some of the draetalk options do go on a bit too much of a infodump methinks

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it could use some tweaks

violet sparrow
pliant ruin
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keep the bits where he thinks ur names suck tho its funny

pliant ruin
violet sparrow
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I was originally planning on sticking around to still rehaul the lore but damn fabsol made it impossible

pliant ruin
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building onto the entire thing that he thins ur naming conventions Suck

violet sparrow
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I still disagree with most of the direction old/new lore goes with its massive overarching connections and gods and dragons being in everything

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But at this point I’d be happy just being able to make sure draedon is written consistently

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And cleaning stuff up

long bloom
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if we're changing draetalk please make it scroll slower and let people scroll up and down while it's typing

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i physically cannot read that fast, and i'm a really fast reader

jovial stream
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I also prefer old lore Yharim, but honestly it might just be my *interpretation* of old lore Yharim

long bloom
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new lore is peak idc

violet sparrow
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I would’ve completely dismantled old lore yharim given the opportunity clueless but yeah

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It’s all so nebulous I have no idea what people thought of him

pliant ruin
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I think new lore has some flaws in its current state mainly to do with worldbuilding but i do think from what i've seen that aspect is being built upon

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i really like hte character writing aspect of it though

violet sparrow
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I might have the old yharim document fabsol wrote up

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I think I can share that at this point

pliant ruin
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might aswell lol

jovial stream
long bloom
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one thing from old lore yharim i really wanna bring back is the part where slammed his fist so hard it killed everyone in the room
that shit was fire

pliant ruin
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given most other characters are far more unfinished

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they're both really interestingly written characters methinks

jovial stream
long bloom
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reminder: calamity is still extremely unfinished

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let's not judge too hard

pliant ruin
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i think in terms of worldbuilding sunken sea overhaul seems to add alot to the table

violet sparrow
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I’ll have to use my desktop fsr google docs on mobile doesn’t let me see document history

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womp womp

pliant ruin
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i don't think there's much wrong with overall having a greater focus on the plot of the crusade and the gods and whatnot givne that is the main plot and in-universe the event that more or less shaped the world to be as it is currently but i also do think right now there really is not much worldbuilding beyond that main plot

violet sparrow
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Yeah I mean

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The ideas are there

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And being built on

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The prose just needs work and I subjectively dislike the direction

pliant ruin
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thats fair

violet sparrow
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I think it doesn’t take proper advantage of or take into consideration how terraria is as a game

long bloom
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what's prose

violet sparrow
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Literally just

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most forms of writing

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anything non metrical like song lyrics and poetry

jovial stream
violet sparrow
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I’ll do it in a bit

jovial stream
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Awesome

jaunty wraith
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Question: why do so many people simp for calamitas... calamitas clone is right there

real silo
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They shouldn't simp for either of those

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But horngi will be horngi

jaunty wraith
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Who said it was horny simping?

I just wanna give cal clone the love she deserves

violet sparrow
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to my knowledge that would constitute of putting her out of her misery

real silo
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Just say like.

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You want to give her a hug or some shit

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Simping will always have that horny connotation just don't use the word when referring to non-horn

jaunty wraith
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I've always used it like that

trim peak
violet sparrow
# jovial stream Oh ok . Super excited to see that now, I never thought I’d get the chance

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tHuiPOEoQ87j2qPWfStFccQxHZe09K5PbP4chsm1OLk/edit?usp=sharing

Google Docs
Yharim Lore

*highlighted red text are just comments made by me to work on later blue text is drafting Yharim The Tyrant’s youth was one full of sorrow and anger. It would become what drove him to conquer and exert his will over the cosmos. However, his heart had not always been filled with hatred. At a youn...

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have fun

trim peak
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That wiki is a beginner’s trap when it comes to wanting to learn lore if someone isn’t up to speed with the discord and lore items

real silo
violet sparrow
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a lot of this is fabsol's writing, this is where the

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slams table cracking it

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thing came from

real silo
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NO WAY

violet sparrow
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i think a combination of Chungus Land and the lore he wrote for yharim

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i forget which came first

jovial stream
violet sparrow
#

slams wall, cracking it

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i dont have the original alphakip texts though

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i wanted a lot of this Gone though which was a pain in the ass b/c fabsol so

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it stuck around like this for ages

jovial stream
#

are there any other old lore docs you could send?

spare pier
#

Ok I wanna check this shit out

violet sparrow
#

yharim always kinda read like a semi self-insert for fabsol in a way

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with the anger and whatnot

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not sure it was ever intentional

spare pier
#

A lot of writing is self-inserty tbh

violet sparrow
#

it shed some light on him very early on

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this thing is from 2019

spare pier
#

When writing a character your references are either other characters or people

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And, a lot of times, yourself

violet sparrow
#

It takes a lot time to write characters that aren't just a reflection of yourself in some way

real silo
#

Yes

spare pier
#

Writing deep characters I think, yeah

violet sparrow
#

ill have to check if the rest of the doc is fine

real silo
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My characters either have a piece of me or aren't fleshed out enough

violet sparrow
#

if anyone else contributed to it ill take that part out

spare pier
violet sparrow
#

ONE PIECE?

real silo
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Yea because the one piece is you

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YOU'RE the one piececca

violet sparrow
#

this is what the codebreaker stuff started from

spare pier
#

Byeah we're probably going to revise Draetalk later one day but I don't really know what to do

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I can't do that shit alone and idk if others want to do it

violet sparrow
#

Simplifying it and breaking it up was my impression

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You mentioned that draedon addressing the player directly only works after the fight, but you can have snippets of narrative given a lot earlier

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Just presented in a way that isn't speaking to the player

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atm it's all too crammed together and frankly

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this much text isn't that appealing

spare pier
#

I'm probably going to rewrite Schematics for that

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Right now Schematics are pretty nothingburger

violet sparrow
#

a lot of it also talks in circles so there's that to keep in mind

late veldt
violet sparrow
#

"Was it not clear already, last we met? Growth, knowledge, novelty, I hunger for it all. I am very "human" in that sense, wouldn't you say?"

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Something like that can be quite enough

spare pier
#

I do feel like we have different visions for Draedon's mannerisms but I also agree that right now the text is a bit too much

violet sparrow
#

At the very least it’s inconsistent then, unless you want to apply the new manner of speech to the boss dialogue

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Has his character changed much?

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Or is he still focused on logical efficiency in order to experience/create new things

spare pier
#

And he's inconsistently characterized, yeah. Alongside I think it'd be to the detriment if we rewrote his dialogue in the fight, it works just fine

jaunty wraith
#

Are you gonna change the lab in the sunken sea for this next update?

violet sparrow
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Draedon was p much the only character I found interesting to write for cal because he’s a lot more existential and neutral which is just more fun than what yharim or cal had going at the time

spare pier
violet sparrow
#

I see

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Still there’s a degree where the characterization feels the same and it’s just that the writing isn’t delivering it super well

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I picked out that paragraph at random from just zooming in

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It’d definitely be overall a lot more palatable to players if simplified

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and if the UI got completely reworked it’s always been very janky

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no offense to lucille I’m sure they know better than anyone

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seeing how far they’ve come with that stuff

spare pier
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I'm tempted to ask her to check it up later but we'll see

violet sparrow
#

The lab holograms have also been bugged since release

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They’re supposed to erratically display a random message every time they’re interacted with instead of one every time they’re placed

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Probably a good idea to glance over all of the UI elements that came about from the lab/draedon updates just in case

spare pier
#

That's something to check after SSO

spare pier
#

We just changed his origins because we wanted to lower the scale of the story

glacial rampart
#

idc what happens as long as they keep Draedons laugh in the exo mechs fight

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it sound funny plumg

violet sparrow
#

I forgot that was a thing

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We were waiting on that SFX for ages p sure

glacial rampart
#

i like hearing it

faint totem
#

What did I miss

long bloom
#

analyzing draedon's characterization

jovial stream
#

this has absolutely made my whole week

faint totem
#

Oh okay

north ingot
#

Who's the 'someone important' whom the Guide left in Hell?

#

what is our motivation for fighting really any of these guys? Is it, canonically, just for funsies?

#

up to the Moon Lord and a few others make sense-- these guys are just monsters that are actually a threat to the terraria world
but like, yharon is just chillin. yharim is just chillin. calamitas is just chillin

long bloom
north ingot
#

ah

long bloom
#

you decide the terrarian's story

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wait

north ingot
#

i still wish we could just be bros with yharim

long bloom
#

did you literally just say that yharon and yharim are "chilling"

north ingot
#

arent they?

north ingot
long bloom
#

they killed half the world population

north ingot
#

I mean

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being real?

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So did I

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Soooo

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fought yharon a little too close to my town

long bloom
#

they specifically targeted and mass murdered millions of innocent people

north ingot
#

they did?

long bloom
#

i don't think that counts as chilling

north ingot
#

i mean theyre chilling now

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i said chilling not chilled

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but i see your point

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i mean so did calamitas but we spared her

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brimstone elemental destroyed all of the Hell city and we took her in

long bloom
north ingot
#

true

long bloom
#

they're different

north ingot
#

oh

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how do we know this

long bloom
#

devs have directly stated as such

north ingot
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i see

long bloom
#

any elemental you fight is dead

north ingot
#

OH
we're forgetting one Vital Point for sparing yharim

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he said hes sowwy

long bloom
#

he's not

north ingot
#

i mean, in so many words

long bloom
#

he just really wants to manipulate you

north ingot
#

idk he seems sorry enough

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if hes trying to manipulate us hes not doing an amazing job

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seeing as hes leading us to just killing him too

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and he should know hes not winning, we'll not only have the power of the dragons but also the power of triangular blocks and hammered platforms

long bloom
#

he wants you to be his successor and finish the crusade

north ingot
#

ah

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what a weirdo

long bloom
#

fr

north ingot
#

arent the gods dead though?

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if he didnt kill em we did

long bloom
#

there's a few left

north ingot
#

but still i think hes sowwy

long bloom
#

he might regret killing all those civilians

definitely isn't even the slightest bit sorry about the gods tho

north ingot
#

idk if i had a choice id spare him
i wanna see what shit hed sell me

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well the gods deserved to die

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they killed the dragons whom seemed to be chillers

long bloom
north ingot
#

did the gods not kill the dragons whom seemed to be chillers

north ingot
long bloom
#

some dragons were evil, just as some gods were good

north ingot
#

i guess

long bloom
#

considering the corruption and crimson, what do you think the hallow is

north ingot
#

...fair point

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yeah i suppose i wouldnt actually kill the slime god if i had a choice in the matter

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hes not doin nothin

long bloom
#

he intentionally doesn't talk about the hallow because he wants you to believe all gods are irredeemable monsters

north ingot
#

true

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was just thinking about how i didnt remember a lore tab for the hallow

long bloom
#

the reason deerclops doesn't have lore is because it's not canon btw

north ingot
#

right

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i never really bother w him anyway

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he gets to live

long bloom
#

crossover content and blatant references don't exist

north ingot
#

i mean he could be canon and yharim just doesnt care aobut him tbf

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like practically

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hypothetically

sinful adder
long bloom
#

obviously

north ingot
#

would be funny if he dropped a lore item that just said like "what the fuck is that"

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idc id still spare him had I the choice

pliant ruin
#

Yharon is very much not chilling

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Despite you summoning him through a item ingame, canonically he goes out of his way to fight you

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To the death, that is

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Calamitas also goes after you albeit for different reasons, as she is afraid you're walking down the same path as Yharim and wishes to cut the evil at its root per say - As the fight progresses she decides to give you a chance to prove yourself and stopsx attacking you, though

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Yharim dosen't go after you but i'd say you have very very good reasons to kill him

#

For every time you think Yharim is redeemable in the slightest, reminder that he ordered the child soldier which he manipulated after she lost her entire family overnight to blow up a entire civilization, killing thousands of innocents and causing the extinction of several native species, all because there were two gods which were seen as saints and loved by their people, and you best believe he'd do it again if he needed to, as he actively encourages you to kill any god you find through the lore items

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Yharim is best described as someone who deluded himself into thinking he's a hero

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He's delulu

eager bluff
#

if you ever think yharim was a good person remember that he had an entire division of his army dedicated to burning civilians alive

pliant ruin
#

he did!

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lov u skeletron prime

eager bluff
#

and when members of said division died he just. got draedon to put them in a robot so they can keep burning civilians alive

split mortar
#

Civilians and fire make a great combo

north ingot
north ingot
pliant ruin
#

Winning the fight just ends in Calamitas becoming a npc

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you cant kill her ingame

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this is yharim i think

image.png
split mortar
#

Yharim saying its cool not that yharim was the child

north ingot
#

yeah

violet sparrow
pliant ruin
#

honestly it's amazing how yharim is so good at presenting himself as a fallen tragic hero that he gets to people actively not think about the fact he had

war crime machines specifically designed to commit war crimes

pliant ruin
#

thats my motivation

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i fucking LOVE money

north ingot
violet sparrow
#

the thousands of innocent woodlands creatures ive killed for gold will never know peace

split mortar
#

The mech bosses are directly stated to be of yharims forces iirc

north ingot
#

yeah i do remmeber that

mighty zenith
deft wasp
#

How many gods has Yharim murked

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Cuz god is a very loose term in this lore from what I see cuz slime god is mid as hell but Providence is goated yet she’s still outclassed by quite a few entities that aren’t gods

deft vessel
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in Cal gods are being which consumed an auric soul. Thats the classification.

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The number Yharim killed was big

pliant ruin
split mortar
deft wasp
#

I refuse to believe a dragon soul was consumed by slime god

mighty zenith
#

what if the dragon was just weak as shit

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i mean

split mortar
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Slime god could be stronger then the dragon btw

mighty zenith
#

Gluttony doesnt exactly sound fearsome or powerful

split mortar
#

Auric dragons and gods varied a lot

long bloom
#

also the slime god was a dude before consuming the soul

deft vessel
#

I mean a lot of them were

split mortar
#

And then they realised they were gender fluid or something after ascending

long bloom
#

peak fiction 🔥

pliant ruin
#

i dont think the femboy bit is outright canon

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its just a headcanon reb has? i beleive

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believe*

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i do like to think slime god was a goblin though because i feel like fits on multiple levels

  1. slime god is one of the weaker gods and goblins are like, The pathethic low-level enemy. Plus from permafrost's dialogue seems like goblin civilization got significantly fucked by the crusade and that's why they have mostly relegated to being warmongers and raiders
  2. i have a theory that goblins bargained with signus to gain control over shadowflame so it'd be a neat paralle, with both of the "kinsman deiites" being related
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and yes this does apply even if he was a femboy

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goblin femboy slime god

spare pier
#

Even if I really want it to happen

#

I think it fits

split mortar
pliant ruin
#

yes of course the pathethic failguy twink

spare pier
#

Then again

pliant ruin
#

these twinks are driving me crazy

spare pier
#

Saying Slime God is a femboy is wrong

#

They're genderfluid

stark basalt
#

slime is a bit more viscous than fluid imo

#

i think i made this joke already

pliant ruin
#

genderviscuous

split mortar
#

Gender viscous

pliant ruin
#

i really like goblin slime god

split mortar
#

Whens gendergas getting revealed

stark basalt
spare pier
#

See I don't agree with Goblin Slime God for one reason

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Realistically

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That'd make the goblins worship them

#

There's absolutely no reason the goblins wouldn't do that

pliant ruin
#

fair point but tbf who would be able to tell it used to be a goblin in its current state

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its uh ball

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slime god seems like a opportunistic slippery (literal) bastard though so i figure it would take advantage of it as soon as he ascended

spare pier
#

I mean, worship isn't something that'd be lost to time like that so easily

split mortar
#

Gotta love ball
Best design

pliant ruin
#

wulfrum ball

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my nbeloved

split mortar
pliant ruin
#

i don't see how that contradicts anything i said

spare pier
#

In any case

split mortar
#

Why would it take use of people worshipping it when it doesnt do so when the kinsman do it

spare pier
#

I think it says a lot that the two references I have for how Slime God looked like

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Are Ralsei and Venti

pliant ruin
long bloom
#

lmfao

pliant ruin
#

You can like
not care about someone and still take advantage of your relation with them

swift ferry
#

RALSEI

pliant ruin
#

Also pretty sure Yharim is the one that says that so Like

split mortar
#

Ph right nvm ew

spare pier
#

Kinda hard to care about your worshippers when they're all DEAD

#

And the one who isn't is yeah

pliant ruin
#

Slime God is so Funny and Silly and What The Fuck Is His Deal

#

what is Wrong with You you Creature

split mortar
split mortar
long bloom
#

so statis is the last kinsmen? what happened to the rest

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wait

#

yharim

pliant ruin
#

they like

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died

split mortar
long bloom
#

they got yharimed

spare pier
#

Yeah

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Yharim happened

pliant ruin
#

ye

spare pier
split mortar
#

Yharim detected god worshippers

long bloom
#

target acquired

spare pier
#

Well, it's a bit more complicated

#

But yeah

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Yharim

split mortar
#

Its a general enough answer

spare pier
#

I do have a small story about how they died and I want to talk about it ingame eventually

#

I don't want to leave it as just

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"Yeah they died offscreen or whatever"

split mortar
#

Statis trauma dump when

long bloom
#

6 fargo months

pliant ruin
#

ok my intuition

#

they...

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got killed by yharon

#

surely

long bloom
#

i love firebombing

split mortar
#

Yharon contributing to killing gods yay

pliant ruin
#

Yharim already has fights and kills to his name, Calamitas also does, so clearly

#

it was Yharon

#

because he dosen't really havea nything right now

long bloom
#

yharon helped kill shakidou at least

pliant ruin
#

and he realistically is capable of wiping out a entire clan both due to his power and the fact he you know b reathes fire

#

so cleearly

#

my intuition tells me

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it was yharon

long bloom
#

why didn't yharon boil ilmeris instead clueless

#

perfectly good flamethrower right there

split mortar
pliant ruin
#

old duke and yharon should beat eachother up sometime

#

evil fucking dragon vs evil fucking dragon

split mortar
#

Fire

#

Acid evil dragon v fire evil dragon

long bloom
#

i imagine there would be fire yes

pliant ruin
#

and they're both racist too!

#

tbh hot take

#

maybe im biased but

#

i feel like old duke could beat pre-crusade yharon maybe.......

#

we know yharon got stronger after the crusade, but tbf

#

old duke could've also been weaker then? unsure

split mortar
#

We dunno how string yharo was

long bloom
pliant ruin
#

well you know like

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besides that

split mortar
#

I think she means dragon era

pliant ruin
#

like after egg

long bloom
#

yeag

pliant ruin
#

alternate reality where od got the auric soul of being old and became the older duke

split mortar
#

Did old duke have to deal with any fovonian collateral damage

pliant ruin
#

he now can fully control any old people

#

with his domain of being odl

#

he gets a bunch of grandmas and makes a giant grandma orb and laucnhes it at you

spare pier
#

The Auric Soul that makes you old

split mortar
#

Thats what popcorn has

spare pier
#

Lmao????

split mortar
#

Deltarune today

#

Auric soul of deltarune today

pliant ruin
#

auric soul of tommorow

split mortar
#

God of deltarune tomorrow

spare pier
mighty zenith
#

dragon soul of pluey

spare pier
#

Speaking of time

split mortar
#

You will always get the auric soul tomorrow and never now

spare pier
#

I had a really funny idea for a story lately

#

What if I make a story where every character is 4D?

split mortar
#

Every character can fuck with space and time?

spare pier
#

No

#

Every character can move through space and time

stark basalt
split mortar
spare pier
#

A 4 dimensional being is supposedly someone who can freely move through time

split mortar
#

Sounds like a paradox waiting to happen

frosty shale
spare pier
#

Yes

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And that's the fun part, Melon

split mortar
frosty shale
#

-# i'm blind boohoo mb

split mortar
spare pier
frosty shale
spare pier
#

If a character is killed, would a previous version of them still be allowed to interact with other characters? Because my idea here is

#

Ok so there would be two instances of time travel fuckery here

frosty shale
#

you can kind of make it make a little more sense with the idea of parallel timelines - i'm being serious - and the idea that anything you do that could affect the past just sets in motion the events of another timeline without affecting your own

spare pier
#

1 - A character changing the state of their body to be either future or past, essentially only changing themselves
2 - A character actually going back in time or into the future

frosty shale
#

because from a 4D perspective the past, present, and future are already there, and you can move freely around it

#

think of it like a movie; you don't know what's going to happen next, but the whole thing's already been written out

spare pier
frosty shale
#

except there are literally infinite amounts of frames for infinite amounts of movies
weird analogy but idk, i tried

spare pier
#

Because now the question is

#

How do you kill someone like that?

frosty shale
spare pier
#

Well, technically speaking a 4th dimensional being interacting with another makes the future uncertain enough

frosty shale
#

from a scientific perspective, four dimensions is fucked
from a storytelling perspective, have fun

but it is always fun to see how different people take on that idea

spare pier
#

Byeah

frosty shale
spare pier
#

I'm going to sleep now

split mortar
#

5 dimensions when

spare pier
#

And not show up for the next few days because of Deltarune

#

Adiós

frosty shale
split mortar
#

Im gonna appear for like 1 day then deltarune it lmao after exams

frosty shale
#

like, not to go full 🤓 but
geometrically (mathematically) there is no reason dimensions should stop at 3 or 4

#

it is beyond fucked up and I do not ever want to learn any part of it

split mortar
#

I know
Was just asking when all characters being 5 d when happen

frosty shale
#

** ** ¯_(ツ)_/¯

split mortar
frosty shale
split mortar
#

Free yarn

frosty shale
#

some versions of string theory require 26 dimensions to work which is why it's a very debated topic
cuz like... how do you prove something that theoretically requires 26 dimensions to be proven

#

us lowly humans are about 23 dimensions short

#

aaaaaa my brain hurts

#

calamity lore isn't even this complicated

warm iris
#

That detracts from the story a lot

tidal tulip
#

Those aliens from slaughterhouse five: the childrens crusade are what come to mind when i think of beings experiencing all of time simultaneously

sinful adder
warm iris
frosty shale
#

sci-fi writers adding "quantum" to everything...

#

it bothers me a lot

cloud ibex
#

using my quantum mind beams to blow up your house rn

warm iris
cloud ibex
#

is it working

#

have you exploded yet

warm iris
frosty shale
#

no because that's not how you use that word :)

cloud ibex
#

FUCK

warm iris
cloud ibex
#

wait fuck maybe you right

frosty shale
#

now that's a correct use of "quantum"

#

...kind of

cloud ibex
#

maybe i did......

mighty zenith
frosty shale
#

everyone who uses the word "quantum" ironically should be forced to take a physics course where they have to use it unironically

warm iris
#

All I know is that it supposedly changes based on the observer

split mortar
#

Quantum is about hyper small stuff i thunk

frosty shale
#

i took a physics course a few months ago where i did indeed have to use the word quantum unironically

frosty shale
frosty shale
warm iris
frosty shale
#

basically when you look at really really small things physics kind of just breaks

#

so Einstein went "let me unbreak it" and boom! quantum.

sinful adder
#

I know all the physics

#

I won't tell you

cloud ibex
#

"i do not know if spongebob is dead or alive until i look inside the box"
-# "i'm make krabber patteries"
"shut up"

split mortar
#

The paper slit experiment thing with light

frosty shale
#

yup

#

double slit experiment

#

well that's more about wave-particle duality

sinful adder
#

Everything is actually a wave

warm iris
#

I don't intend on using any of that shit in my writing or day to day life so quantum mechanics will be a forever unknown thing to me cause I'm too lazy to figure it out

frosty shale
#

but there are some things quantum mechanics are needed to explain

sinful adder
#

Particles aren't real and the waves just work in specific ways

frosty shale
#

you're... less wrong than you think you are but still wrong

sinful adder
#

The appearance of particles is actually because of resonant frequencies

#

Which are a quantized wave effect

#

I think that's what it was

frosty shale
#

I haven't taken enough physics to know if that's wrong

#

*yet

warm iris
frosty shale
#

I just like telling people that there is no such thing as a force of gravity. it does not exist. the earth is actually just accelerating up to catch things when it falls.

#

but also it's not moving

sinful adder
#

That's half wrong

warm iris
frosty shale
frosty shale
warm iris
#

Dude gravity obviously exists, come on

frosty shale
#

but it also is

sinful adder
#

Gravity isn't a traditional force but it isn't not a force either. We don't fundamentally know what makes it different but we know acceleration and gravity work like that

frosty shale
snow mountain
#

vivec

frosty shale
#

it is... really fucked up
but it also kind of makes sense

#

it's an oversimplification

#

actually no, that's an understatement

warm iris
frosty shale
#

...wait yeah that's basically it

split mortar
frosty shale
#

what I mean is there is no gravity of "big rocks pull other things close to it", not "it's all a conspiracy!!! tinfoil hats!!11!!1!"

even Newton was quoted as saying his own model was "absurd", but that he had no better way to explain it

#

so everyone just stuck with it until Einstein found a better model

warm iris
frosty shale
warm iris
#

Theory of relativity, right?