lore-discussion

[dusk laurel]

executed on 25/5/25

[naive storm]

Why almost every famous person nowadays is a didler

[magic epoch]

[cursive steeple]

Is design gonna be changed or just lore and stuff?

[pliant ruin]

yes

design will be changed

[cursive steeple]

Ooo cool

Idk if I missed the answer to this but. so lunatic cultist prevents the pillars appearing but how? and do we know why destroying the pillars spawn in the moonlord?

[dusk laurel]

we dont know but ML controls the pillars

[cursive steeple]

Ahh

Also like what happened to its legs ans stuff? Because isn’t it only chest head and arms?

[dusk laurel]

ML is weakened so you can see the physical toll it took

from the fight with the auric dragons

[cursive steeple]

Who is the auric dragons is it an enemy or not in game?

[dusk laurel]

the auric dragons are dragons who gained auric souls long ago, these souls grant them the ability to control certain things, like fire, gluttony, or even life

yharon for example is one

who is at the higher end of strength

[split mortar]

Second strongest ever

[cursive steeple]

So they have like special skills or elements?

[split mortar]

They have domains like the gods do

[dusk laurel]

both

it depends

[cursive steeple]

Ooo

[cursive steeple]

Of all the auric dragons or in general?

[split mortar]

Of all auric dragons to have lived

Only 1 has been stronger

And its long dead

[cursive steeple]

Who?

Or not stated actual name

[split mortar]

Their dragon king, zeratros the dragon of primordial light

-# ie the fucking sun

[naive storm]

Moon lord is the 2nd strongest right?

[split mortar]

In their prime yeah

[cursive steeple]

So it’s the strongest in the universe..?

[naive storm]

Ye

[split mortar]

Only below xeroc

[split mortar]

Zeratros is basically even to yharim

[fierce pagoda]

Isnt Moonlord also weaker than the terrarian, or at least will be

[dusk laurel]

yeah

[split mortar]

Said by 1 writer

[fierce pagoda]

oh alright

[cursive steeple]

Where would scal be or the elementals?

[fierce pagoda]

Would be cool though

[split mortar]

But thats like
Once we face xeroc

[split mortar]

Scal is like
6th strongest?

Elementals vary in power

[cursive steeple]

Is it fightable in an add on or nowhere

[split mortar]

Tied with exos

[split mortar]

Xeroc would be in base cal not an addon

[cursive steeple]

I was abt to ask that

[fierce pagoda]

Is Primordial wyrm ever getting Tier shifted?

[split mortar]

Maybe

[fierce pagoda]

or will he remain that strong

[split mortar]

Rn its post scal tho

[robust osprey]

it has plans to

but probably will be like post yharon anyways

[fierce pagoda]

cuz like, Silva blessed it right, which means silva also has to be crazy strong too

[robust osprey]

she is..kinda

[split mortar]

Xeroc
Prime moonlord
Noxus
Yharim/zeratros
jared
scal/exos

[robust osprey]

like she doesn't have too much power damage wise

[split mortar]

Silva is currently drowning

[cursive steeple]

When we fight moonlord where would it be?

[robust osprey]

but when paired with someone else she is strong af iirc

[split mortar]

Not even top 10

[cursive steeple]

Top 20?

[split mortar]

Probably

[hoary cape]

It's below all the post moon lord bosses

So

Crippled moon lord

[split mortar]

We finish off the like
Last 1% the dragons couldnt

[cursive steeple]

What about dog and the plague boss I forgot name

[fierce pagoda]

before though

[split mortar]

They also had a drowning incident before that

[robust osprey]

pbg is even lower than current ml

[split mortar]

Dog is uh
Prob top 10

[cursive steeple]

Is that the dryad or is that someone else?

[fierce pagoda]

the phase were they werent drowned then

was she stronger than promordial wurm

[split mortar]

Silva is a dryad but not the dryad npc

[split mortar]

No

[fierce pagoda]

or did she bless it so hard it became even stronger than herself

[split mortar]

Scal is beyond all gods but xeroc

[cursive steeple]

Yeah the first dryad? I think that’s what someone said?

[warm gull]

horton hears a who universe vs xeroc

[split mortar]

Yuh

[fierce pagoda]

why does it say youre new!?

[dusk laurel]

probably

[robust osprey]

wyrm was probably already pretty strong

and blessing turbo busted it

[warm gull]

I rejoined calmain after the fabsolian incident

was not here

[fierce pagoda]

based

[dusk laurel]

fapcel

[fierce pagoda]

awesome sauce

But if its being tier shifted maybe

[split mortar]

Game progression is a good indicator of a bosses strength

[fierce pagoda]

then it will be easier to swallow

[split mortar]

In relation to others

[warm gull]

can this solo xeroc

yeah it can

[fierce pagoda]

Lark

[warm gull]

guy in white suit beats roc

[sinful adder]

Hey wait actually

[cursive steeple]

Oh wait I was thinking pbg is post ml

[sinful adder]

Probably like half of my warnings were from talking shit about fabsol. Now that this is acceptable, can those warnings be removed?

[fierce pagoda]

plague bringer Goliath🤢

[warm gull]

who warned you for talking shit about fabsol...

[cursive steeple]

What’s fabsol?

[split mortar]

The creator of the mod

[sinful adder]

They've been kicked out

[cursive steeple]

Oh

[fierce pagoda]

What's that? Whats a fabsol? haha 😐 😐

[warm gull]

was it against the rules to make fun of fabsol or something

are administrators immune to being shit talked

[fierce pagoda]

Probably was

I remember people calling out his freaky banner and got silenced by the mods

[sinful adder]

Annoyingly, yes!

[pliant ruin]

i love this chat

[robust osprey]

no but you arent inmune to be a victim of power abuse

[sinful adder]

Anyways I've been here for almost a decade and accumulated, what, 8 warnings?

[pliant ruin]

its so normal

[robust osprey]

😔

[split mortar]

Im here so nuh uh autism

[sinful adder]

I said things along the lines of "fabsol is a piece of shit and the 22 were right"

[pliant ruin]

i mean yeah thats warn worthy lmao

we didnt know fabsol was deranged

[split mortar]

Its late i should sleep i also have headache and hurty eyes

[pliant ruin]

and thats not like critique or anything thats just being an ass

[fierce pagoda]

oh no, get well soon!

[split mortar]

Im not ill

[sinful adder]

No that's the thing. We did. We just didn't know the full extent of that derangement

[pliant ruin]

go eep melon gun

[pliant ruin]

Most of us didn't

[sinful adder]

They've always been tyrannical

[fierce pagoda]

still, get well from the headache and hurty eyes!

[sinful adder]

Among other things

[sinful adder]

That's on you then?

[fierce pagoda]

Tyrannical? Jungle tyrant Yharim?

[pliant ruin]

no not really

[sinful adder]

Exactly

[pliant ruin]

we had literally no way to know guy was a right-leaning centrist pedophile

[sinful adder]

Yharim was the self insert all along

[pliant ruin]

and if anyone else did they sure didn't Say Anything about it

[fierce pagoda]

🤯

how did we not see it??

[dusk laurel]

all we knew was that he was a creep

[pliant ruin]

i just knew guy was kind of abrasive

[magic epoch]

i can't believe cmt and lore are talking about fabsol... :(

[cursive steeple]

I wonder if there’s a mod that lets us fight prime ml

[pliant ruin]

a bit weird yeah

[pliant ruin]

unfortunately

[dusk laurel]

anyways this isn't related to lore

📖

[sinful adder]

No I mean they did a lot of reprehensible shit unrelated to that, which led to the whole 22 incident among other things

[pliant ruin]

Not really but maybe someone will make an addon or something

[split mortar]

Moonlord code is fucking aids i hear

[magic epoch]

WAIT

ITSBBACK

[pliant ruin]

terraria code in general is a spaghetti hell torture

[split mortar]

[cursive steeple]

Wdym?

[fierce pagoda]

Yharim was A racist, a groomed a child and has a lack of accountability

literally fabsol

[sinful adder]

TRUE

[cursive steeple]

[dusk laurel]

[split mortar]

The code for moonlords segments and animations is prob fragile and easily broken

[pliant ruin]

we thought drunk princess was the self insert but it was yharim all along

[cursive steeple]

Isn’t it a dragon?

[pliant ruin]

No, that's Yharon

trev you could probably read the doc

[cursive steeple]

Oh oopsie

[pliant ruin]

in pins

[fierce pagoda]

loreres, get em

[pliant ruin]

google dockey

[cursive steeple]

Ooh I didn’t know that was a thing that probably would’ve answered a bunch of my questions sorry!

[pliant ruin]

no worries

[split mortar]

Itsfine

[fierce pagoda]

Its okay, we love answering

[split mortar]

Im killing cheese for insubordination anyways it doesnt matter

[sinful adder]

I remember seeing a moon lord rework mod a while back that looked cool

[fierce pagoda]

what!?

[split mortar]

Cheese dead

[sinful adder]

Read to the tune of chicken jockey

[cosmic zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/google-dockey-chicken-jockey-minecraft-movie-google-doc-google-docs-gif-3049002159977528301

[fierce pagoda]

Moonlord resprite coming in 1.4.5😈

[split mortar]

Deleting your account with acid

[cosmic zenith]

But you see my account is very basic

[fierce pagoda]

woah...

[split mortar]

Water and technology are a well known pair

[fierce pagoda]

that was lowkey an awesome response

Anyways do you think Cal verse has modern airplanes they use to travel, or do they use those giant boats with air balloons on them

these things that appear in the background sometimes

[warm gull]

fabsolian boss dynamics

[fierce pagoda]

That makes me thing about the flying dutchman and how it flies

[warm gull]

pirate magic

[fierce pagoda]

Yarrgh!!...

[cursive steeple]

So crimson/corruption = god that died there and wasn’t disposed or destroyed properly? But do we know how to do it properly? And what about hallow would it be similar to evil biomes?

[warm gull]

I find you unfit to rule

[long bloom]

hallow is from the benevolent gods slain by yharim which he intentionally doesn't talk about so he can push his narrative that all gods are irredeemable monsters

and to prevent the mires, you can either contain the essence or "destroy" it

[magic epoch]

[cursive steeple]

how would you contain or destroy it?

[long bloom]

you could build a giant wall of magic to seal it away, a wall made of flesh, or you could hire a monster to consume the essence and presumably destroy it

[magic epoch]

[faint totem]

Very important question: does Yharim like his Cheetos puffy or crunchy

[magic epoch]

i do not believe cheetos were invented

[long bloom]

hmmm

crumchy

[faint totem]

If they were

[hoary cape]

Spicy

[long bloom]

i think lime

[faint totem]

Ew

We really need to kill him then

[spice torrent]

dev

[magic epoch]

[spice torrent]

devourer of gods gods

[cursive steeple]

was dog created or kinda just there chilling?

[spice torrent]

we dunno

maybe

all we know is that he is a pawn for a greater being

far stronger than anything we know

[gritty kraken]

probably got hired one day

[spice torrent]

(and NO, it is NOT Noxus)

[long bloom]

yeah it is

why wouldn't it be

[spice torrent]

hm

ok

Thought it wasnt

[long bloom]

i don't remember any evidence to suggest otherwise

[spice torrent]

I also dont remember any evidence suggesting that Noxus is the being in the Distortion (although it is a logical conclusion)

[magic epoch]

I think all evidence points to it being noxus

there's no 100% it's noxus!
But it's more 85% it's noxus!

[gritty kraken]

DoG work for yharim actuaty

[long bloom]

(not really)

[cunning flare]

What exactly is the advantage of arsenal weapons? I know they're supposed to be technologically superior, but they don't seem all that superior ingame.

[dusk laurel]

thats because theyre mechanically old and dated since they were added like 3 or 4 years ago

[languid badge]

The evidence is that the devs said so

[cunning flare]

I'm not asking for evidence, I'm asking what the advantage is and how that advantage works

[languid badge]

I wasn’t referring to your message

Also the advantage is that they’re good weapons (optional)

[warm gull]

dude istg I hear every game's code is spaghetti

like literally every game I hear about the code

and everyone says every game has shit code

maybe code is just hard to read

[long bloom]

terraria is a unique case

[warm gull]

explain to me why its unique

[long bloom]

it's worse than almost every other game by a substantially wide margin

[cunning flare]

That doesn't say anything. How is it worse? In what ways is it worse?

[warm gull]

is it coded worse than something like undertale

[long bloom]

no, undertale is worse

[warm gull]

what about java minecraft

[long bloom]

almost definitely better than terraria

[warm gull]

all I know for sure about java minecraft is that every single mod and mod launcher has to update for every single new game version and that doing so is a pain

which is kinda the same as terraria so

even like tiny version changes

[faint plank]

monthly tmod update 🔥

[pliant ruin]

I mean terraria was coded over 10 years ago

go figure

wheres that one image

with the moonlord code

fuckkk it was in ccc i left

[robust osprey]

undertale code is held together by glue and sticks

and a dream

[spring helm]

i think noxus may have jumbled up the lego pieces on this one

[gloomy yacht]

Determination

[late veldt]

how the hell did they put a 3d boss in this game

[long bloom]

no fucking clue

lucille is just built different ig

[jaunty wraith]

At least undertale code functions

Wanna see awful code

Garten of banban

or yandere simulator

[long bloom]

oh fuck

[jaunty wraith]

the games cant even run right

At least undertale manages to run good despite being help with scotch tape and determination

[warm gull]

wait the 3d boss was lucille?

should have guessed I suppose

[long bloom]

i think so

idk about it but she at least helped

[warm gull]

I didn't ever hear anything about it so I assumed it was some other subsect of the tmod community that made it

[jaunty wraith]

Which boss was the 3D one again?

[warm gull]

idk

I saw a trailer for it though

[jaunty wraith]

Where is it?

[warm gull]

why are you asking me right after I say I don't know

the boss is called flayer icon

[jaunty wraith]

I mean where did you see the trailer?

[warm gull]

how it feels to know how to open youtube and search up "3d terraria boss" (I'm basically god)

flayer icon is a badass name though

sounds like a jaeger from pacific rim

[jaunty wraith]

So we got a boss rhat makes terraria 3d, now we need a boss that makes Minecraft 2d for the balance to be maintained

[hoary cape]

Damn that boss is crazy

[cosmic minnow]

Huh? I was kicked

[untold forge]

Uh oh

[cosmic minnow]

Idk I think I accidentally logged out while doing something in the patreon stuff

[spare pier]

Hey guys

[dusk laurel]

👁️

[spare pier]

I think I just finished writing one of the 4 pearls we have scheduled for SSO

I think you know about the pearls already?

[dusk laurel]

is it the flashback things

[spare pier]

Yeah

[dusk laurel]

very awesome

[long bloom]

the pearls were in patreon

[spare pier]

They're pretty basic but I'm doing my best to make the dialogue in them really good

[dusk laurel]

too bad im not there

(yet)

[dusk laurel]

hope it goes well

[spare pier]

It's been going along nicely

[untold forge]

Hdhchhshfbs

Not at all

Do tell (if you are allowed to)

[spare pier]

Essentially

They're pearls you can acquire ingame through specific things

And they all go over a set of dialogue between two characters

I would show you the names for the four I'm writing for Part 1

But they're painfully obvious and also I want to leave one as a surprise

[untold forge]

Pog

[spare pier]

Well I'm going to show you the name of the one I just finished writing

The Royal Blue Whispering Pearl

[dusk laurel]

i wonder who that could be

[spare pier]

[untold forge]

Mayhaps this has to do with our ninja friend 🤔

[dusk laurel]

this is certainly royal

[untold forge]

Royal gel...

[dusk laurel]

hey guys we should ask amidias if he knows who this refers to

[untold forge]

It of course refers to my goat

The umbrella slime

🔥

[dusk laurel]

peak?

[gaunt sluice]

we need to get game theory on this

[spare pier]

I'm really fucking excited for these pearls to come out because I think they're just super fucking cool

[gaunt sluice]

I need pearl context now

wuzza pearl

[spare pier]

.

[real silo]

pearl like

Mr Krabs dauhter

like whales

whales in sso real

[untold oracle]

Pearlto

[spare pier]

Yes, Amidias has a whale daughter actually you'll get to meet her in SSO

Her name is Trident

[real silo]

yes!

[gaunt sluice]

ooh cool

[untold forge]

Rebecca's reaction when I turn them into a lightly carbonated drink

[untold oracle]

Write that down!!!

[spare pier]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/466943505663655937/1083946998614470748/1678391318329531.gif

[untold forge]

I meant the pearls

Not the daughter

[dusk laurel]

no way

is she dead

[gaunt sluice]

What would Otonilou have been like to meet

[untold forge]

Zappy zappy

[spare pier]

:3

[real silo]

She would be quite

Shocking

[untold forge]

Guh

[untold oracle]

Which calamity character would like a hug the most

[gaunt sluice]

i hate all of you

[untold forge]

Beat me too it

[untold oracle]

⏲️

[untold forge]

Permafrost it has to be

[bold dragon]

And from here i can say amidias have bad naming sense

[untold forge]

Though actually

[gaunt sluice]

cause I headcanon that she'd be like a more social goddess and just generally a nice person

[untold forge]

Maybe braelor 🤔

[dusk laurel]

this trident has channeling

obviously

[bold dragon]

Draedon or yharim

[untold forge]

The calamity timeline if someone gave providence a hug (good ending)

[bold dragon]

Either that or she calls you a pervert and you end up in jail

[untold forge]

[gaunt sluice]

jesus I need to check the server announcements more often

[untold oracle]

When you stare at the changelogs and the changelogs stare back

[untold forge]

Turned to stone by medusa

[faint totem]

Your body contains a skeleton. Think about all those bones in your flesh. Can you feel them?

[untold forge]

Hydrogen bomb

[untold oracle]

Dron

[magic epoch]

Can you?

[bold dragon]

I killed day time empress of light

[faint totem]

Occasionally

[untold oracle]

Omgg me too

I did it in vanilla

[magic epoch]

can you count them

[bold dragon]

I did it in radiance

[untold forge]

When I smash my limbs into something on accident I can

[faint totem]

No

[gaunt sluice]

'something a bit cooler'

well that's promising

[untold oracle]

cooler

[untold forge]

Supreme Permafrost

[magic epoch]

[untold forge]

What does this mean for lore

[magic epoch]

can't believe this is the only permafrost emote

[gaunt sluice]

ice elemental

[faint totem]

We’re gonna get the father daughter duo with permafrost and calamitas trust

[bold dragon]

As boss right

[untold forge]

Permafrost solos the verse trust

[cosmic minnow]

This must be perma

[faint totem]

Instead of alchemist

[bold dragon]

Is Doofenshmirtz a good dad

[untold forge]

Probably

[bold dragon]

Not lore relatee

Related

But i want to ask

[faint totem]

What

[bold dragon]

Is prof Doofenshmirtz a good dad

[faint totem]

Yes

[bold dragon]

Why

[gaunt sluice]

it could be either permafrost or Amidas

he also blue

[faint totem]

It is the will of dron

[gaunt sluice]

and hes royal

[cosmic minnow]

Chat I was intentionally being clueless, it can only be Amidias

unless I’m re****

[untold forge]

Lmao

[gaunt sluice]

see I have the approximate intelligence of a four year old on steroids

[cosmic minnow]

You’re so me

[bold dragon]

No u don't my good man

[untold forge]

I always forget about amidias so I thought it was king slime for a minute

[cosmic minnow]

[untold forge]

[bold dragon]

Do u mean stewie

[gaunt sluice]

idk who dat is

[bold dragon]

Stewie griffin

[gaunt sluice]

I still don't know who that is

[bold dragon]

From family guy

[gaunt sluice]

I have never watched family guy

[bold dragon]

The little baby with oval head

[gaunt sluice]

oh

yeah

[bold dragon]

U missed a lot

[gaunt sluice]

i've missed a lot of brain development my friend

[bold dragon]

Oh dw that one is a brain rot

[magic epoch]

Brain development with an emphasis on "de"

[gaunt sluice]

brain unvelopment

[bold dragon]

Brain degeneration

[gaunt sluice]

decay, even

I'm starting to build a DND setting and now have discovered the pain of writing all this out

[split mortar]

Xerocs the like
Strongest thing possible in calamity
Or atleast getting close to it iirc

[long bloom]

yeah pretty much

[craggy jacinth]

ok but what about paper airplanes

[split mortar]

We wont kill xeroc so guess what
That wont kill them

-# plus the fight will be in the context if a spar or something where xeroc is holding back from using some unfair instakill stuff iirc

[long bloom]

yeh

[trim peak]

Yeah, I mean

Fovos or Noxus would probably be the closest in giving Xer a run for his money

In Fovos’ case Xeroc would I guess need to sweat and bleed to win, which is to say yea he wins

[split mortar]

Rebecca has said they see the fovos vs xeroc fight like kaido vs luffy
Kaido lasts a while and gets good hits in but like
Still has no chance of really winning
-# and noxus stands less of a chance

[trim peak]

Basically

Not a bad analogy too

[wheat walrus]

Sun God

[trim peak]

What does Xeroc look like currently? Is the eye more of a symbolic thing or is that literally him

[split mortar]

We dont see xerocs eye thats a single spell rune of primordial light

In boss rush

[trim peak]

Hm. I see

What of his physical form

[split mortar]

We dunno their post ascension look, only pre ascension

[split mortar]

You would have to join the patreon for that i think

[trim peak]

Ironic since I’ve been considering becoming a patron lately

Thanks for the info

[split mortar]

Lmao

[random mulch]

this is what happens if you summon draedon at the wrong moment

[calm patio]

[astral rapids]

Wait did Xeroc steal Zeratros's soul in the new lore as well?

[limpid saddle]

yeah

[astral rapids]

For some reason I though he willingly gave it to him

Damn

Where did that come from

[limpid saddle]

He might've

we dont know

Yharim & Yharon think he slayed Zeratros for it

[split mortar]

But theyre the most biased people ever

[astral rapids]

Oh, I see

[limpid saddle]

But it's been implied it might've been more co-operative

[split mortar]

Dont think zeratros is a old lore character

[astral rapids]

Oh right, I don't know the old lore XD

[astral rapids]

Real, Yharim probably doesn't know anything besides slaying others

[split mortar]

Yharims source is yharon and yharon wasnt fucking there to know what happened

[astral rapids]

Lmao

I think I heard somewhere that Xeroc said he would take care of his soul after his death, and for his loyalty Zeratros gave his soul to him

Wasn't he about to die anyways?

[split mortar]

As said by yharim yes, forever

[astral rapids]

Then it might've indeed been more co-operative

[split mortar]

And that kinda breaks yharims point of it being a bad thing since the fucker was gonna be dead anyways

[astral rapids]

But just so we're clear, we don't know for sure, right?

[split mortar]

We dont know for sure

[astral rapids]

Alright

[split mortar]

-# tho xeroc was attuned to zeratros so they were like as close as yharim and yharon-

[astral rapids]

Oh

Attunement

I forgor

Why didn't you bring it up earlier

[split mortar]

Idk

[astral rapids]

It's been ages since I read the lore doc

[split mortar]

Barack obama

[tropic oak]

why didnt fovos just parry? is he stupid?

[astral rapids]

He parried with his legs

[split mortar]

The pillars were being annoying and giving bad advice mid fight throwing ml off their rhythm

[tropic oak]

true

[pulsar ocean]

why didnt ml just put his legs back in place

[tidal karma]

wouldnt this bird be cool if it was photoshopped to be like yharon

[mighty zenith]

loreful

[cosmic minnow]

Someone would prolly make that

[warm gull]

that bird as yharon is already real kaprysny

that's the joke I think

[delicate willow]

If ir wasnt for lore reasons

Would it be better if the abyss and sulphurous seas were in seperate oceans

[cosmic minnow]

Oh

Ah well

[mighty zenith]

ehh

sulphurous sea would suffer from vanilla ocean syndrome of being small and rather devoid of content

[delicate willow]

The regular ocean feels even more empty in the mod

[mighty zenith]

the abyss gives it more depth

[delicate willow]

Huh

[mighty zenith]

pun not originally intended

[delicate willow]

no it can just remain like the sulphurous sea

And have this one deeper pool to itaelf

It still has acid rain

[mighty zenith]

honestly, the sulphurous sea housing the abyss makes it easier to integrate vanilla potentially reworking the ocean biome

or even other mods doing the same, like thorium

[cosmic minnow]

Are there ways to expanding world size?

(I mean in terms of generation)

[mighty zenith]

theyre pretty buggy from what ive heard

[delicate willow]

True

Can be adaptable either way tho probably

[mighty zenith]

theres also no real reason to move the abyss

[delicate willow]

Aquatic depths fpr example could house the pre abyss pit

[cosmic minnow]

Aww

[pliant ruin]

idk why you asked this in the lore chat but completely ignoring the lore side of things and the cool things the sulphur sea biome has

idk why it exists

like, at a base level

the abyss couldve definitely worked perfectly fine as just a underground ocean of sorts

not that i'm saying sulphur sea should be removed or anything i think it has alot of cool content and earned its place in the mod

but yeah like why in the lore chat 😭

[split mortar]

-# how could silva be dropped in if not a surface hole

[pliant ruin]

completely ignoring the lore side of things

[split mortar]

Calamity fan reading comprehension my bad

[gaunt sluice]

I'm pretty sure the Sulphur Sea exists partially because of toxic fumes and stuff thay rose up from Azafure through the Abyss and partially because it was Draedon's nuclear dumping ground

[long bloom]

RESURRECTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[cosmic minnow]

Yooooo

[gray flame]

So given he's the Dragon of Rebirth, is every time you fight Yharon canon?

[young socket]

no

[long bloom]

no, it takes yharon 10 years to show up as an egg

the only explicitly canon refight is scal

[cloud ibex]

(there's a handful of others where refights could work but for the most part they're not

[hoary cape]

There are probably more QB's

[limpid saddle]

Yeah cause as proven by Plaugebringer Goliath... existing, & most world gens, there would canonically be multiple hives & thus Queen Bees

[hoary cape]

Especially given the larva spawning multiple times

Maybe crabulons

Or any other beast boss

[limpid saddle]

Same could potentially be applied to World Evil 1 & Eye Of Cthulu

[limpid saddle]

I feel like it's pretty implied in the lore item that the Crabulon we fight is a singular crab who died escaping Illmeris during it's grilling

[dusk laurel]

yeah

its special

sure, other members of its species survived

but not all of them escaped

let alone bloated to be a gargantuan crab

[hoary cape]

I will make multiple crabulons you can't stop me

[limpid saddle]

If you put dead crabs in a mushroom biome you're just gonna get the generic enemy

you need to get a special, presumably now extinct illmeris crab

[dusk laurel]

its not extinct

[hoary cape]

Hermititan

[dusk laurel]

they will be found in the sunken sea

[limpid saddle]

Oh I assumed the species name was simply a fun lore drop

[dusk laurel]

nah they will be real

its awesome

anyways, did you know we have dev-made art based on the gleaming burrows

[limpid saddle]

I think i missed that one

[dusk laurel]

its one of the sunken subbiomes

(no this will not be ingame)

(the art wont, not the biome itself)

[gray flame]

I just realized, the crap probably moved to the mushroom biome cause it has lots of water

[limpid saddle]

One can assume the background will at least look similar no?

oh wait

walls

[long bloom]

puh

[fair token]

@gray flame iirc providence underestimated us

is the lore of the fight

[dusk laurel]

byeah gods are not the strongest things ever

so humans can often match them in strength

[eager bluff]

also provi is still ridiculously strong even if she didnt underestimate us

[fair token]

Providence would normally never put herself in a position to be killed, she favors hit and run tactics

but she didnt think wed be able to kill her

and it was too late when she realized we could

is what it seems like

[faint totem]

I still love the fact we basically looked at an ore that electrocutes us when we touch it and fragments of a dragon’s soul, and thought “What if I put them together?”

[fair token]

tbf i think Amidas gives us the idea

[gray flame]

A bit off topic, but how powerful would the Terrarian be had they gone super duper evil and ate Yharon's soul?

[fair token]

doesnt he have help dialogue

for auric bars

[dusk laurel]

depends

[long bloom]

stronger than yharim

probably

[limpid saddle]

+5% attack & +3% movement speed

[dusk laurel]

ggg user i will cook you in a vat of oil

[fair token]

honestly if we did that i thik wed be strong enough that Xeroc would just kil us and be done with it

i think wed be strong enough for him to care

[halcyon kraken]

he doesnt even care rn ?

[fair token]

no

we're an ant

to him

but seeing how auric souls seem to be like multiplicative

[faint totem]

"Auric is near impossible to work with without being attuned to a Dragon or using the claimed soul of a Dragon to perform a "mock" attunement. However, if one can work with it truly powerful things can be created; enough so that using it in anything was deemed heretical by the Gods."

[gray flame]

but even an ant becomes a concern if they start building thermonuclear weopons.

[faint totem]

This is sea king’s only dialogue about auric

[fair token]

so yeah there you go

we didnt just randomly think of it

amidas gave us the idea

[gray flame]

Honestly a lot of the Terrarian's power seems to stem from their abuility to create equipment. I wonder if that's why Draedon paid us so much attention.

[fair token]

almost certainly

still love how mad he is

about Miracle Matter

[faint totem]

We heard the words “Dragons soul”, looked at the fragments we collected, and thought, “this is a terrible idea but I’m doing it anyway.”

[gray flame]

Draedon's problem is he doesn't have the combat skill to go with his engineering.

[warped helm]

he probably does

[faint totem]

The best part is he actually has to use that name because we’re the ones who stabilized it, so we have the right to name it

[fair token]

Is that really what you have chosen to name it? How nonsensical. There is nothing miraculous about what you hold in your hands; it is the culmination of decades of research and a testament to the truly unlimited potential of science. Though, as you were the one to be able to stabilize it, I will begrudgingly refer to it as that.

love this

[warped helm]

hes mr know it all

[halcyon kraken]

maybe he was just underestimating us

[fair token]

he defintely wasnt

[gray flame]

He though he had an exact estimate of our power

[fair token]

if he was underestimating us he wouldnt have sent a hologram

[faint totem]

And don’t forget the dialogue about the mech bosses

[fair token]

he planned for the exo mechs losing

[halcyon kraken]

so he has something more powerful cooking then ?

[fair token]

Draedon is also another person we will just never kill becuase hes too smart to die

[halcyon kraken]

or he just don't care

[fair token]

i kinda doubt it? but maybe at some point in the future hed try again

[faint totem]

The "Mechanical Trio", as most call them, are what you annoyingly refer to as The Destroyer, Retinazer & Spazmatism, and, though it pains me to call it this, "Skeletron Prime". While you may be an exceptional individual, I question your naming capabilities.

[warped helm]

he doesnt really need it

he’s just there to study lol

[fair token]

he probably doesnt want to risk giving us a reason to scour the world for the real him

[halcyon kraken]

yea

[fair token]

he wants to keep researching it

[faint totem]

Are we canonically bad at naming things in the Lore of Calamity

[halcyon kraken]

i mean he is immortal right ?

[warped helm]

kinda

[faint totem]

Because that would be hilarious

[fair token]

if you killed the real him and all his backups hed probably die, and since the terrarian has surpassed every challenge laid before it previously

would YOU risk it

[halcyon kraken]

so to him we're just a fraction of his existence

and interesting fraction

[warped helm]

yeah

[gray flame]

Really? He kinda gets pissy when you last long enough.

[warped helm]

he said he can unmake all life on terraria if he wanted to

[fair token]

both things can be true

[halcyon kraken]

when did he said that

[faint totem]

We’re just canonically bad at naming things

[warped helm]

read the lore doc

[halcyon kraken]

miracle matter is cool tho

[halcyon kraken]

yea ok lmao

[gray flame]

So can I, with enough dynamite.

[halcyon kraken]

have to plan vacations to read it all

[warped helm]

just draedons section

[halcyon kraken]

aight

[surreal cosmos]

Calamity is less about the world building and more a commentary of the fact that the terrarian sucks at naming things

[faint totem]

Draedon hates it tho. He has to use the name because we managed to stabilize it

[faint totem]

Pretty much

[gray flame]

If he didn't like the name he shouldn't have relied on our superior skills.

[fair token]

"Regardless, if I deem it necessary, I possess the means to simply rebuild the Sulphur Sea from the bedrock up. Restoring it to its pristine status would be a trivial matter and a testament to science's creative potential."

everyone talks about killing draedon but this like makes me headcanon that we could make Draedon into a good guy by agreeing to let him test new exo mech models against us lol

[faint totem]

We become his testing dummy because we, much like Yharon, refuse to fucking die

[fair token]

and in exchange he does good for the world instead of bad

is my headcanon

[gray flame]

If he has to be given an agreement to do a trivial good thing, he's not become a "good guy" he's just working for someone else who is good.

[dusk laurel]

draedon isnt good, nor bad

hes an ai with no concept of morals

[faint totem]

He just wants to create powerful things to break the ceiling of science.

[gray flame]

He's Terraria Cave Johnson?

[long bloom]

yeah but less insane

slightly

[surreal cosmos]

Sloghtly

[fair token]

sure, but thats what i meant

a force for good

there

[faint totem]

I think he’d enjoy having a nigh-immortal test dummy

[fair token]

eventually draedon devolves into a youtube commenter on a terraria challenge video

"ok now do it with the wand of sparking"

[surreal cosmos]

"I wish to see your potential"

[faint totem]

The best part is we could probably do it

[wheat walrus]

I'm you, terrarian.

[onyx flower]

i have but 1 question about the lore:

1. why did yharim start his god massacre war? was it due to the fact gods have committed a sin by consuming auric souls and controlling the weak, or did it have to do with the gods wanting yharim to consume yharon's auric soul and become a god king?

[cloud ibex]

both probably

[young socket]

both

[cloud ibex]

he primarily points to all gods being sinners because they've killed a dragon but a large part of his worldview was most definitely formed from the fact that he refused to do what some gods wanted him to do and was sentenced to death for it

[onyx flower]

so he hated the gods for breaking the cycle of dragons by consuming their souls, and the catalyst to the war waged was them destining him to execution

[cloud ibex]

something like that yes

[onyx flower]

sick

[ornate musk]

Hey anyone know if Greek myth exists in the Calamity universe?

[mighty zenith]

well, technically nothing says they dont

[pliant ruin]

well theres no evidence it does

no evidence it dosent either

[mighty zenith]

stop using my brain

[pliant ruin]

let ur imagination run it wild

[mighty zenith]

chease

stabs u

[pliant ruin]

chees

[limpid saddle]

i mean yeah

[pliant ruin]

what the fu

[glacial rampart]

[hoary cape]

I just realized that you are cheese

😂

[onyx flower]

nevermind, i just cannot read, draedon's communications say the crusade began with yharon's rebirth

[long bloom]

more specifically, yharon told yharim about how the gods killed his kind

that's what started it

[onyx flower]

yes, i read that

[humble fog]

Your brain tricks you into thinking

[mighty zenith]

this is your brain on thinking

[swift badger]

he never was a bad guy

[fair token]

yeah thats wrong

[mighty zenith]

he's a bad guy

but he's also not malicious

[cloud ibex]

bad, not evil

[split mortar]

Draedon is an amoral being

[swift badger]

Morally gray

[fair token]

it doesnt matter if hes just cold and calculating, being evil is a matter of your actions

[delicate willow]

Draedon is a peak character.

[fair token]

Hes defintely not that either

[mighty zenith]

someone can do terrible things without seeing them as terrible

[delicate willow]

Draedon has no border or restriction

[mighty zenith]

in fact thats very common

[snow mountain]

HE'S LITERALLY BONDREWD MAN

[sinful adder]

Alright. Is a cat evil for playing with its food?

[delicate willow]

"yeah i just casually reconstructed the whole jungle into infectous and aggresive beings what could possibly go wrong"

[sinful adder]

You have a different definition of evil than I do

[delicate willow]

He just does whatever he feels like

[swift badger]

only bad thing i remember him doing is making the plague bringers

[split mortar]

If it was to get to that level draedon would activate the kill switch

[delicate willow]

Because he has the intelligence, time and resources to do so

[swift badger]

but i may just be blind

[sinful adder]

Draedon is not capable of caring about morality innately

[split mortar]

Draedons only ever goal is science, if it benefits science progression draedon does it if not then they dont

[cosmic zenith]

Gorthus

[delicate willow]

Yes

Such a peak character

[snow mountain]

literally bondrewd

[fair token]

I dont know if i buy this because he gets annoyed and things like that

[split mortar]

Idk who that is

[fair token]

so i dont know if i believe him

[snow mountain]

without the child experimentation, scratch that actually

[snow mountain]

for the best

[split mortar]

Lacking morality not equal lacking emotion

[limpid saddle]

You know that was Yharim's fault right?

[swift badger]

Morality isnt emotions

[fair token]

emotion is the basis or morality, so if he lacks morality and not emotion thats not because of a limitation that stops him

[split mortar]

?

[limpid saddle]

We dont know what he would've done if the Plauge wasnt released early with the Goliath but it certainly wouldn't've spread freely

[warm gull]

I find you unfit to rule

[limpid saddle]

Yharim destroyed the containment of the Goliath & let it into the world

[fair token]

Either way, it doesnt really matter, we describe monsters in other fiction as "evil" even if they are mindless

Draedon is "evil" in the same way as a dragon that destroys towns

[split mortar]

Arent dragons often sapient

[fair token]

if you buy thatwhat he says

[cosmic zenith]

Bad example Dragons are some of the most commonly sapient monsters

[fair token]

can we

not nitpick

the creature i picked

slime monster

there

[split mortar]

Nah not evil

[dusk laurel]

its a slime

[swift badger]

a slime monster is a slime monster

[delicate willow]

You dare assume slimes have no feelings?!?!?!

[dusk laurel]

theres not even a brain

[delicate willow]

#SlimeLivesMatter

[swift badger]

#slimesarentevil

you know whats evil tho?

[fair token]

Honestly i could believe that a slime monster isnt evil if it needed to destroy to eat

[swift badger]

Xeroc Tax

[cosmic zenith]

I dunno man that amorphous blob of digestive sludge looks sapient to me

[fair token]

Draedon does what he does for no reason

thats why i call him evil

[split mortar]

If its not capable of morality then idk
Not evil

[fair token]

its not like draedon has to do his atrocities to live

[mighty zenith]

that sounds like me

and id say im sapient

[split mortar]

The reason is always science

To learn

[mighty zenith]

so yea

[fair token]

no GOOD reason, man

everything is read so literally here

[split mortar]

Doesnt autism affect taking stuff literally

[split mortar]

In draedons mind it is the ultimate reason to do things

[fair token]

okay and hes wrong

[swift badger]

That's Dreadons entire purpose though

what else would he do other than science

[fair token]

by all useful definition of the word, Draedon is evil becuase he destroys for a reason that is not essential to his continued existence

[hoary cape]

Slimes do have enough thought to notice food as they do jump towards you and attack instead of just aimless jumping

[fair token]

he could do science for good!

[split mortar]

Idk imo draedon is a destructive and unpleasent force
But not malicious or evil

[delicate willow]

Draedon is selfish by following his own idea of science

[fair token]

i wasnt talking about terraria slimes there

[split mortar]

Draedon doesnt know what good is

[fair token]

just general fictional

[delicate willow]

And not being afraid of making reckless modifications

[fair token]

non destructive scienece

[cosmic zenith]

Aren't we all amorphous (without a defined form) blobs (conglomerations) of digestive (capable of breaking down matter into more basic components) sludge (a portion of matter combining solids, liquids and gases)?

[split mortar]

That would impede some science and this draedon cant see it as worth while to do

[swift badger]

Hes doing it for good. just not for the right people

[fair token]

this is wrong becuase draedon has no one on his side anymore

hes a rogue element

[split mortar]

Draedon just ultimately doesnt think like humans enough for understanding morality

[sinful adder]

I think you're half wrong here June. That's a good definition of evil and I mostly agree with it but I think that good and evil is ultimately a subjective thing we make up which benefits us.

[cosmic zenith]

That is sentience, not sapience; it is not equivalent to self-conscious thought

[swift badger]

well he hasnt done much after leaving Yharim has he?

[hoary cape]

Yes I know what sapience vs sentience is XD

[cosmic zenith]

Good and evil are, in fact, subjective social constructs

[mighty zenith]

he created machines of mass destruction

[hoary cape]

I was just pointing out that they are not mindless despite not having a brain

[sinful adder]

Draedon operates outside those concepts

[cosmic zenith]

Fortunately, most of us aren't faced with grueling moral dilemmas on a daily basis

[split mortar]

And didnt use them on anyone but the terrarian

[cosmic zenith]

True

[mighty zenith]

yet

[swift badger]

oh he made the Exo mechs post leaving yharim?

i see

[cosmic zenith]

Well
What would mindless be?

[fair token]

He does not because he hurts others

when you bring others into what you do you are subject to their concepts of good and evil

[split mortar]

Hurting others doesnt mean draedon considers it when acting

[mighty zenith]

if u made a bomb but didnt blow anything up, you still made a bomb

[split mortar]

Draedon cant even consider morality

[mighty zenith]

an object whose sole purpose is destruction

[pliant ruin]

I don't judge Draedon based on human morals because hes fundamentally just like, Not

[swift badger]

but it depends on what the destruction is used on

[pliant ruin]

His actions can be pretty terrible for those affected by them but i wouldnt call him evil

or good

or any moral allignment really

[swift badger]

for an Alien Ai Robot Dreadon could have been much worse

[pliant ruin]

he's not an alien

[mighty zenith]

not alien

[split mortar]

Draedon cant be a moral alignment because they cant be moral in any way
It can only be
Advances science or not?

[split mortar]

Or atleast cant consider morality

[pliant ruin]

and like it's not a matter of "well he isn't so bad" or "he can still do good"

[fair token]

I disagree, you dont choose your moral alignment most of the time

[swift badger]

so hes an ai?

[split mortar]

Its a completely foreign concept to their mind

[fair token]

its what other people view you as

[split mortar]

Yes

[pliant ruin]

its just that hes literally outside of the human moral scale

[fair token]

so draedon doesnt have to choose good or evil

[mighty zenith]

yes

[split mortar]

Just an ai

[fair token]

other people choose that for him

[sinful adder]

I think you misunderstand. He absolutely hurts others, but he doesn't do it for the sake of burying others. He just doesn't care. He lacks a sense of morality driving his actions. But we have different definitions of morals

[pliant ruin]

it's not that he dosen't choose

[fair token]

ergo, hes evil

[pliant ruin]

it's that he's like

literally not a moral being
a bomb is absolutely destructive and you could go into the semantics of it being metaphorically evil but objectively speaking the bomb literally Cannot be evil

[sinful adder]

Draedon is a different thing that isn't good or evil but can be treated as either given the situation

[fair token]

Yes thats what im saying, obviously draedon doesnt have like an evil ambition

hes evil in the manner thats what people view him as

becuase thats what matter

[split mortar]

Imo draedon lacking the ability to comprehend or even feel any amount of morality is enough to make it not evil

[fair token]

when it comes to morality what matters is what other people think

not what you think

all the greatest villians think they are the hero

that doesnt mean they are

[pliant ruin]

but that's literally not the case with draedon though

i mean

i wouldn't put it past someone affected by his actions to judge him as evil

[fair token]

other people DO think hes evil though

[pliant ruin]

but also i wouldnt because again, bomb analogy

objectively speaking he literally cannot be evil or good

[split mortar]

I dont consider a volcano evil despite the fact volcanos are deatructive as fuck

[fair token]

objectively speaking doesnt matter here though

[swift badger]

Active ones might be evil

[pliant ruin]

whats this conversation even abt

i missed most of iti just joined in

[split mortar]

Is draedon evil

I think

[swift badger]

is dreadon a bad guy or evil

[magic epoch]

draedon is gender neutral

[dusk laurel]

i agree

[pliant ruin]

ok so it is in fact if draedon is evil it seems like

[split mortar]

@fair token at this point i think its just differing views of morality, and so this convo will go on in circles forever

[pliant ruin]

anyways yeah thats my final judgement

[fair token]

A volcano doesnt ponder the idea that it could use its power to improve the world rather than harm it

draedon DOES

[snow mountain]

can we turn calamitas into a lunchbox

[cosmic zenith]

Draedon is draedone with morality I think....

[pliant ruin]

I mean Draedon is an AI

it just does everything to follow its directive

[unborn wind]

im not a draedon apologist because draedon has nothing to apologize for 🔥

[split mortar]

Draedon is an ai it cant break its bounds of doing science

[swift badger]

Le evil Machine man make nake machine to go boom

[pliant ruin]

I don't think he's effectively actually thinking or pondering anything

[cosmic zenith]

Depends on what thinking is

[split mortar]

Its dubious if draedon is even actually alive in calamity or not iirc

[pliant ruin]

I'd argue not

[split mortar]

Since astral cares not for the guy

[snow mountain]

i think this would be a great scientific advancement

[fair token]

if a machine does things we classify as evil according to its programming, then its evil by proxy of its creator making it that way, if thats the argument you want to use

[split mortar]

No matter how intelligent

Eh imo no

[pliant ruin]

Well i just outright disagree but to each their own

the creator is evil, but the machine isn't evil i don't think no

[split mortar]

Its just doing what its code says, its a tool not a person

[fair token]

its a machine that cant change its ways though according to this argument, so its effectively just an extension of its creator

[split mortar]

This convo will go in corcles

[swift badger]

what can the machine do against its code

[split mortar]

A hammer isnt evil because someone killed someone else with it

[swift badger]

and does the machine even question its code

[split mortar]

Imo

[pliant ruin]

yeah this is just a different philosophies issue

[fair token]

a hammer isnt autonous or "living"

[swift badger]

for something to be evil it needs to be able to know good

[split mortar]

This convo cant convince either party

[fair token]

not really equivalent

[snow mountain]

he's fucking bondrewd man

[pliant ruin]

i can se eit

[snow mountain]

he's literally just bondrewd

[swift badger]

whats that

[pliant ruin]

john made in abyss

john kills children

[snow mountain]

utter peak

[pliant ruin]

yeah hes prettyt fucked

[split mortar]

Its just different philosophies you aint convincing us we aint convincing you

[swift badger]

Somebody ask Ai on this matter

[split mortar]

This convo is just
Nothingburger at this point

[pliant ruin]

@grok what do you think about this

[dusk laurel]

grok

[split mortar]

Cheese stfu

[pliant ruin]

no

[split mortar]

Fair

[swift badger]

maybe chatgpt can relate to dreadon

[pliant ruin]

haha i win

[dusk laurel]

@chatgpt what are your thoughts

[snow mountain]

@gock what are your thoughts

[young socket]

@warm gull what are your thoughts

[snow mountain]

oops

fuck

[dusk laurel]

gock😭

[pliant ruin]

on that note do you guys think slime god wll be evil or not

[wheat walrus]

Rust Duramboros:

[snow mountain]

I DIDN'T MEAN TO MISPELL IT

[pliant ruin]

Rust Duramboros:

[dusk laurel]

gock is actually awesome

[snow mountain]

🤨

[dusk laurel]

yes

[swift badger]

Draedon (sometimes misspelled as Dreadon) from the Terraria Calamity Mod is not traditionally “evil” in the typical good vs. evil sense—but he is a morally ambiguous character with clear antagonistic tendencies.

Key Points About Draedon:
Role: Draedon is a major antagonist in the Calamity Mod. He is the mastermind behind many of the powerful mechanical bosses (Exo Mechs) and created much of the Calamity universe's advanced technology.

Motivations: Rather than being motivated by malice or cruelty, Draedon is obsessed with science, innovation, and technological advancement. He often disregards ethics or the consequences of his creations in pursuit of knowledge and perfection.

Morality: Draedon's moral alignment would best be described as neutral or pragmatic, leaning toward neutral evil by D&D standards. He prioritizes science over lives and shows little regard for the chaos his inventions cause.

Narrative Function: In the story, he serves as a formidable obstacle for the player. His creations, especially the Exo Mechs, are among the most powerful foes in the game.

In Summary:
Draedon is not evil in a sadistic or villainous way, but his indifference to destruction and obsession with advancement make him a morally questionable character. He represents the classic “mad scientist” archetype—more dangerous because of ambition than intent.

[pliant ruin]

i think slime god will be kind of an asshole... like not outright evil but also not Good either

[wheat walrus]

vamn vaniel

[swift badger]

chat gpts opinion

[warm gull]

super easy, barely an inconvenience

[wheat walrus]

im chatting my gepete

[snow mountain]

he should be kissable

it

they

[pliant ruin]

twink

[snow mountain]

slime deity

[split mortar]

Gays

[snow mountain]

woke

[dusk laurel]

dei

[swift badger]

left

[warm gull]

will we get to watch the glint fade from slime god's eyes

[pliant ruin]

he dosent have any

well actually nvm his redesign has one

[fair token]

is this ai????

[pliant ruin]

we will get to watch the glint fade from slime god's

eye (singular)

[swift badger]

yes

[swift badger]

yes

[fair token]

not reading that

[pliant ruin]

seems like it

[swift badger]

thats what chatgpt said

[pliant ruin]

good decision

[warm gull]

absolutely

[spice torrent]

it is
honestly it gets to the point and is accurate

[swift badger]

yea

[fair token]

dont care im not debating morality with a chat bot

[swift badger]

im suprised

[fair token]

do it yourself

[young socket]

draedon is commonly mispelt draedon

[swift badger]

to be fair

[warm gull]

its ai it does the colon marks for every paragraph thing and also talks with absolutely ZERO drive or life behind it

[split mortar]

Dron

[swift badger]

more dangerous because of ambition than intent.

this

[pliant ruin]

ai slop go away

[swift badger]

i still dont know how to say his name

[split mortar]

Dray don imo

[warm gull]

bro it does not get to the point it says the same things for 5 paragraphs and then says "basicallg yeah he cares about science and doesn'tncare about the morality or consequences"

aiyap

[cosmic zenith]

Finally a good morality conversation....

[swift badger]

the last sentence is the only good one