lore-discussion

[long bloom]

azafure

[dusk laurel]

yeah

[long bloom]

where from

[light linden]

perrenial is not tied to her in game

[dusk laurel]

so silva was sealed in the abyss before yharim

long ago

and her influence seeped down into hell

[long bloom]

right yeah

[young socket]

perrenial slime

entry

[light linden]

same with plantera and the vernal pass

[light linden]

what

[long bloom]

calamity players when they have read the bestiary to get the lore:

[light linden]

I

there's a perrenial slime?

[dusk laurel]

"oh my god the amidias entry is too long"

[young socket]

yes

[dusk laurel]

Yes.

[light linden]

huh

[young socket]

and it has two very important lore bits

[long bloom]

always has been

[light linden]

I've 100%'d the calamity bestiary how did I miss that

[young socket]

1. silva being in the abyss the first was also an imprisonment attempt
2. silvas related to perrenial

[light linden]

brb my dog is attempting to eat a cable

ok I'm back

[magic epoch]

[light linden]

isn't it only 4 lines?

[light linden]

this dog not that one

[dusk laurel]

the point is is that its not long

[magic epoch]

cute dog

[dusk laurel]

but people tend to complain about things way too much

like the amidias bestiary entry is such a big talking point for no reason

[dusk laurel]

fluff

[long bloom]

tbf it's length is jarring compared to vanilla entries which are like, 1 long sentence each

[dusk laurel]

i mean this is vanilla we're talking here

i think 1 sentence is enough for them

[light linden]

wait a second

when was draedon first mentioned in game?

update wise

not lore wise

[ionic harness]

Don

[young socket]

im not sure

there might be smthn earlier than draedon bar

but idk

[light linden]

hmm

a year's difference so prolly not

[long bloom]

draedon's heart i think

[dusk laurel]

gosh that accessory was so long ago

isnt it that crown now

[magic epoch]

the first i remember hearing of draedon is draedon's forge

and that's it

[long bloom]

still draedon's heart

it's the exos expert accessory

[light linden]

was wondering if draedon might've been inspired by ago of ultron

but too long of a time difference

[dusk laurel]

okay wait no i remember now

the old effects went to the crown but the heart got reworked

[long bloom]

oh yeah right

[dusk laurel]

exoblade's old tooltip mentioned draedon iirc

[long bloom]

so the heart was added november 20 2016

forge was added june 8 2017

[dusk laurel]

i feel so old

[long bloom]

exoblade was also added june 8 2017

[young socket]

draedon bar....

[long bloom]

so heart is oldest

[long bloom]

huh

[dusk laurel]

oh my god youre right

[young socket]

its real

and its a 1.0 item

[dusk laurel]

(perennial bar)

[long bloom]

oh

[young socket]

THIS WAS THE FIRST RESPONSE TO THE QUESTION

😭

[long bloom]

yeah that's oldest

[dusk laurel]

🫗

[long bloom]

june 1 2016

draedon bar

[dusk laurel]

draedon bars are as old as the mod

checks out

[trim peak]

Draedonic Bars

[paper spindle]

Is there Dron lore in here too?

Because the sub is beginning to get out of hand

[hoary cape]

?

[astral rapids]

It's been a while since I read the lore doc and the whispers, was there an implication that Yharim wants to be killed or am I misremembering things?

[magic epoch]

i don't think he does

he probably just knows he's going to dead

[visual kiln]

hiiiiii amethy

[magic epoch]

hall

[visual kiln]

hall

[analog robin]

How damn tall is Draedon exactly

[cloud ibex]

Maybe not wants to but he’s willing to let himself get killed if it means you pick up his mantle

[astral rapids]

I see

[calm patio]

considering he is going to die within a decade iirc

not by old age

since yharon takes a decade to rebirth

[long bloom]

yes by old age

[calm patio]

idk i havent been looking into here recently

[scenic olive]

What if draedon were send back in time 4000 years ago

Stone age draedon

[crystal pendant]

mech trio prototypes powered flintstones-style

not souls just stick a dude inside

[winter wagon]

stick a ghost inside but it's fully corporeal and has to run around anyway

[split mortar]

Thats intentional, the accessory summons are meant to look completely made of the element
Its phase 1, phase 2 is meant to be more monstrous and will be more made of brimstone
-# unless plans have changed while i vanished for a bit this should be correct i think

[sinful adder]

I see

[warm gull]

hello

[robust osprey]

goodbye

[untold oracle]

Yur i

[young socket]

‼️

[finite orbit]

Does Permafrost have a fursona?

[split mortar]

Not to our knowledge

[twin portal]

quick question

[split mortar]

👁️

[twin portal]

there's a lot of lore that's not in the mod yet (i.e. the names of certain gods, ancient primordial stuff, niche details, etc.) that exists on here

[split mortar]

Sadly no document for this stuff

[twin portal]

exactly my question; thank you!

could we make one?

[split mortar]

Nothings stopping people it would just be aids cancer hell to do so

[twin portal]

okay

[split mortar]

Since lore gets dropped in many different channels and even servers outside of calmain
And some not lore devs also drop lore

[twin portal]

this is going on my list of "things that I will try to get to but will ultimately take too much time to make sense"

[twin portal]

indeed indeed

[split mortar]

I wish you good luck

[twin portal]

thank you, thank you

[untold oracle]

Iirc there is already a document seeking to include all the lore with sources even outside the gameplay in the works :3

[twin portal]

if you're referring to the main calamity lore doc, it does a fantastic job gathering and sharing all of the official/confirmed lore

my main concern is that there is some lore that's just a) too early in development to be confirmed or b) hasn't been even referenced in-game yet

and that rarely makes it on to the document

(if you're referring to a different document or if I'm wrong in some way please lmk)

[split mortar]

I know cheese plans on doing it in sscls at some point but i dont think thats known outside the subserver

And idk if its even started yet

[twin portal]

sscls?

[split mortar]

A subserver dw about it

[twin portal]

👍

[untold oracle]

Yes this one

[dusk laurel]

melon we should put you in a vase

[untold oracle]

It currently only has world soul though

[split mortar]

O ok

[pulsar ocean]

Does every planet have a world soul

[split mortar]

We dunno

[pulsar ocean]

But who does know

[split mortar]

The lore writers if anyone

[pulsar ocean]

Is cei a part of those who know

[cloud ibex]

she's a writer so presumably

[young socket]

id hope the main writer would know

[pulsar ocean]

Who knows

[twin portal]

that does open the interesting question of how unique our specific world is exactly

[split mortar]

The sun is probably quite unique

[twin portal]

makes sense

[split mortar]

Stars arent the same as the sun

[twin portal]

indeed i do remember that

but like other worlds vs the one we're on

(like other rocky planets, if they exist)

[split mortar]

I dont remember what little lore we have on the martians

[twin portal]

genuinely forgot they exist for a sec lol

we're getting new lore on them soon™️ from what I remember

[split mortar]

Sunken sea overhaul will replace all vanilla bestiary entries that are either not canon or can be better to fit cal lore
So yeah

[twin portal]

makes sense

[split mortar]

Meaning every bestiary entry will be usable for lore

[twin portal]

god that's gonna be fantastic

[split mortar]

True

[twin portal]

ngl empress is hype for me in that regard

[pulsar ocean]

Is terraria earth flat

[split mortar]

Especially since bestiary is non biased and omniscient

[twin portal]

exactly

[split mortar]

Unlikely

[split mortar]

I hear its one of the few bosses getting a bit retconned to have better lore item aswell
Since its rn a bit nothing burger

[twin portal]

if we're being pedantic, we could say that, given gravity doesn't vary as you travel east/west, it means everywhere on the surface/at sea level must have the same gravity (and as such be equally close to the world's center of mass) which isn't possible in a finite flat world

[twin portal]

yeah i really look forward to that

I think Queen Slime's incorporation into the lore was honestly really seamless and well done, so I look forward to seeing what they'll do with EoL

[split mortar]

Oh yeah boss placement may get changed a fuck ton since fabsol died
And a proposed idea was slime god and calclone switching places
-# so queenslime may become a rogue paladin instead of slimegod becoming transfem

[twin portal]

damn they really killing off transfem slimegod

[snow mountain]

WHAT

[split mortar]

Pluh

[robust osprey]

lame

no more trans slime

[split mortar]

Slime gods already gender fluid

[robust osprey]

WHERE'S MY TRANS SLIME

[twin portal]

I love the idea of slime god being later in progression (our first god we kill, after all) but idk how I feel about pre-hardmode Calclone

[twin portal]

fire

[random mulch]

pre-hm calclone just feels so wrong but hm slime god seems nice

[twin portal]

indeed

[robust osprey]

pre hardmode fellas are stronger that one would think

slaying EoC was already a legend

[split mortar]

Calclone is what people think scal is
It being after perma (who will tell us about scal the person not scal the feared legend) is a bit wack story wise

[twin portal]

fair! good point

[split mortar]

This lets us see what scal the myth is and then start learning who scal the person is

[split mortar]

Im just copying what a dev said lol

[random mulch]

still dont really see how the whole idea of "calclone is what people think calamitas is like" is actualy gonna be conveyed

[twin portal]

still, the sharing of it is appreciated

[mighty zenith]

if i had to guess? calclone will be a lot more reckless and bloodthirsty

thats kinda the main thing separating them

one is a broken person but one that can still be saved

and one is a creation driven to insanity

[random mulch]

maybe in execution it'll be peak

also depending on how the rework goes it might slot neatly in

[twin portal]

seeing how the dev team has grown regarding having a boss's reputation play more of an active role in the lore, i think they could do well

possibly via pre-boss dialogue

or environmental storytelling in the crags

[young socket]

ive said it before but i think really long horns would work quite well

her hair being disheveled could also work

[random mulch]

so just calshadow?

[young socket]

mayb

[dusk laurel]

close enough

[mighty zenith]

less zombie monstrosity

[young socket]

its been a while since i took a close look at the sprite

[dusk laurel]

welcome back shadow of calamitas

[random mulch]

genetic cloning usually does produce some odd results

[mighty zenith]

calshadow would make her look too much like a failed clone

[random mulch]

cause the age of the cells technically is as old as the donor

[split mortar]

Calclone is a successful clone

[mighty zenith]

yeah

the failure was the lack of brimstone magic

[split mortar]

Unrelated to genetics

[mighty zenith]

ye

[brisk frigate]

Task failed successfully

[snow mountain]

she needs to be monstrous imo

its the only way it would work

[magic epoch]

moreso task successfully failed methinks

[split mortar]

Calclone vs streets of london

[random mulch]

also ig calclone being so early into progression would also let calamitas' comment on how it was a failure be more true

[split mortar]

-# isnt boss dialogue outdated

[random mulch]

ye but still

[dusk laurel]

[mighty zenith]

im so happy this was added

[dusk laurel]

so true

[robust osprey]

[random mulch]

incredible

[snow mountain]

is that xanax?

[mighty zenith]

tHE stone

[split mortar]

[split mortar]

?

[dusk laurel]

is this real

[snow mountain]

xylophone

[split mortar]

[mighty zenith]

[split mortar]

[cloud ibex]

[split mortar]

[cloud ibex]

holy shit

legendary pull

[split mortar]

[random mulch]

if these kinds of boss progression changes continue

ozzatron might truly be making calamity 2

[brisk frigate]

Birmingham would turn her to dust

[split mortar]

True

[split mortar]

Fables :

[random mulch]

to be fair, that happens to any non-brit

[snow mountain]

flint, bangor, and rhyl

[split mortar]

Scal is literally from london

[random mulch]

would her clone be considered british too then?

[split mortar]

Born in draelab not britain

[dusk laurel]

so a canadian

[random mulch]

fact: all canadians were created in a lab

[brisk frigate]

They are created to make warcrimes

[random mulch]

and to keep the americans contained

[limpid saddle]

what about french-canadians

[random mulch]

hybridized

[twin portal]

https://tenor.com/view/chemical-chemicalx-professor-utonium-power-puff-girls-gif-13049325

[random mulch]

also check out this guy i'm making

[twin portal]

Yoooo

[thick slate]

whos that

[stoic gulch]

…

[split mortar]

Gay

[thick slate]

oh

thanks

[random mulch]

yharim's ex-husband

[haughty seal]

that looks amazing

[pulsar ocean]

xerox 📠

[snow mountain]

new ravager lore would work better if the writers mixed it with old ravager lore so it would be more compelling

[real silo]

what was old ravager lore again

Smth smth built to counter yharim armies?

[split mortar]

Creation made to try and stop yharim iirc

[snow mountain]

and it was peak

[real silo]

sounds awfully familiar

[snow mountain]

even for me

[real silo]

I agree

[snow mountain]

an ungodly flesh amalgam made of souls and rage and desperation in defiance of a tyrant's unstoppable army

that could easily be retooled

[real silo]

The ravager me and aster wrote for the rp is a mix of new and old lore too

[snow mountain]

also it could have great environmental storytelling

imagine being one of the god of sacrifice's devotees and, after loosing what is basically the centerpoint of your lives and your benefactor, frantically digging up corpses, family and strangers alike, and defiling them out of desperation to bring them back as one last stand or some shit idk

like theres so much subtext to that

though subtext is what cal lore sorely lacks rn

[real silo]

Yes!

Also I really want GoS to be benevolent

[snow mountain]

their devotion is testament to that

[real silo]

Because a charismatic benevolent god having fanatics is so fucking cool

[snow mountain]

also its a contrast to present day ravager

[real silo]

Especially evil ass fanatics

[snow mountain]

task failed successfully

[spare pier]

That's like, almost exactly what Ravager is right now though

[snow mountain]

i feel like that could be emphasised more

through the magic of environmental storytelling

[spare pier]

It's just not a bunch of corpses but rather one

And even then I think that's debatable

[snow mountain]

fair

but i kinda like the devotion

he's the god of sacrifices after all

[spare pier]

Ravager's item is being rewritten too so

[snow mountain]

they give so much to him, even in death, and a beast is their reward

[mighty zenith]

losing the being you believed in most above all else and desperately trying to bring it back to protect you only for the result to slaughter you without a second thought

thats still tragic as shit

[snow mountain]

its fucking metal as shit

and peak

[real silo]

oh that's a little different than the way I see it

[magic epoch]

ravager is amazing on so many levels

[real silo]

I wrote rav as more of a superweapon

[magic epoch]

and the there's the boss fight. but we can look over they right

[snow mountain]

it also subtley shows how shite yharim's crusade was

[snow mountain]

instead of stating how much of the world's population died

[real silo]

They loved the god so much and out of their despair they went as far as to defile their own god and destroy his reputation just to have revenge on yharim

[snow mountain]

moreover, it would also make the lore more intriguing as there would be a moral dilemma between the gods and restoring the dragons

even though there would be one clear answer of the latter

[split mortar]

-# restoring auric dragons being literally impossible

[snow mountain]

thats the point

yharim is an ends justify the means type guy but the ends are impossible

[real silo]

Yeah

[snow mountain]

he prolly knows that and that makes him all the more evil that he continued

its pulled off well enough in the lore with scal but i want more

it would really benefit from not having everything explicitly said

god bless environmental storytelling

[split mortar]

-# imo jared is too explained

[snow mountain]

it provides both gameplay and lore benefit

[snow mountain]

fucking true

silva should be a corpse tree down in the abyss too

like a brittle star or smth

ties back to the dryad

[split mortar]

Mysterious deep ocean
Its weirdest and strongest being
We know a decent bit on

[snow mountain]

and makes her feel like an actual god rather than one with little substance

she is just a nothingburger rn

[split mortar]

Why isnt there a texture pack to make vanilla sand elementals be the calamity ones

[snow mountain]

also for gods sake can the elementals not be women anymore or at least do something interesting

dias new designs are good but still boil down to a more interesting version but too same-y

[spare pier]

Anahita is definitely still gonna be a siren

[snow mountain]

[spare pier]

People want Brimmy to still be a woman but everything else yeah

[split mortar]

Crunched brimmy spoiler

[snow mountain]

she could be a little more interesting but eh

good enough

its prolly going to change somewhat with fabsol no longer in the picture

its so much better than what we have now

[spare pier]

Uuuuuh about Silva and PW I wanted to have PW like

Drop something that allowed you were if you had it in your inventory and went to specific places in the world

You could see memories of Silva and shit

[split mortar]

👁️

[snow mountain]

god bless the terraria credits sequence

[brisk frigate]

Kill her pet and see it's memories

Eat it's brain

[untold oracle]

Oooh that would be amazing

More storytelling mediums!!!

[brisk frigate]

More show don't tell moments would be cool

[pliant ruin]

That is basically what current rav is, i think

[snow mountain]

I NEED MORE

[pliant ruin]

I NEED god of sacrifices lore

[snow mountain]

MORE ENVIRONMENTAL STORYTELLING

[pliant ruin]

hes my GOAT

[snow mountain]

ITS SO FUN AND COULD OPEN UP MORE CONTENT RELATED BUT SEPARATE TO BOSSES

[pliant ruin]

no sleepy cloud elemental... 😨

[brisk frigate]

Ravager throwing it back gif. I don't have it on hand

[pliant ruin]

its over

[snow mountain]

yeah but

the focal point of even that design was

breasted boobily or something, basically fabsol design process

[magic epoch]

cloud elemental?

i really can't say i agree

[pliant ruin]

yeah not really

nothing about that design was overtly sexualixed to me

It was just a woman

and she was eepy

she aws peak...

[snow mountain]

yeah but

not enough

[untold oracle]

Omg you

You are cloud elemental

[pliant ruin]

the cloud elementalis you (me)

[hoary cape]

I wouldn't be surprised if it somehow set off YouTubes demonetization thingy though just like brimmy does just because YouTube is stupid sometimes

Chippy had a video hit with that because he used brimmy as the thumbnail

[faint totem]

Will brimmy still be cycloptic or no

[spare pier]

Probably

[faint totem]

Yay. That’s genuinely my favorite part of brimmy’s design

[north wigeon]

YOOOOOOO DRESSED BRIMMY LIVES ONNNN

[light linden]

hey rebecca can I ask a question?

[north wigeon]

[spare pier]

Yeah?

[light linden]

you think ultron and draedon would get along?

[spare pier]

No lmao

Draedon would believe Ultron is absolutely idiotic because even if he is right

He should systemstically wipe every bad human and keep what's left and educate them better

[light linden]

I mean ultron does do that in some continuities

even if his reasoning is uh

fucked

[spare pier]

His ideology and methods are both extremelly flawed

[hoary cape]

Ultron took one look at the internet and decided to try and cause an extinction event

[light linden]

e.g. he wanted to save the mutants in the rivals continuity because they had reached the "pinnacle of what organic genetics could allow"

[faint totem]

He saw 4 Chan

[light linden]

and by save he wanted to turn them into (likely) mindless ultron drones

they do seem to retain their mutant abilities though which is unique iirc

[split mortar]

Draedon calls ultron lazy got it

[light linden]

I'm not sure if ultron is lazy

hasn't he taken over entire solar systems?

[hoary cape]

Ultron killed Thanos in the what if series lol

[cloud ibex]

i don't think she's saying he'd think ultron is lazy

[light linden]

in the comics he did worse than that iirc

[cloud ibex]

she's saying he'd think ultron is a dumbass

[light linden]

he's the catalyst for thanos going crazy

because he took over titan

come to think of it

draedon and ultron are pretty similar

both robots, both use multiple bodies, both have made plagues that can turn living things into cyborgs, and both make their bodies out of exotic metals

[spare pier]

Yeah

[pliant ruin]

ultron is a destroyer while draedon is a thinker..

[split mortar]

Insert angry man thinking person image or somethinf

[random mulch]

ultron uses shit to destroy

draedon makes shit to destroy for him

[spare pier]

Draedon would think that not only Ultron's understanding of the situation is wrong

But also that his solution to the problem he created is dumb as fuck

[split mortar]

Draedon watched the marval movies/read the comics?

[spare pier]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/466943505663655937/1083946998614470748/1678391318329531.gif

Melon Gun I'm going to nuke you

[split mortar]

[tranquil seal]

Where did all his bans go

[split mortar]

The nefarious had left the server for a few weeks

[wheat walrus]

Wait so you officially back? Not just temporary return during the break?

[split mortar]

Probably will vanish again at some point hopefully
-# should have a bit ago tbh i just uh, felt lonely

[wheat walrus]

It's fine

[hoary cape]

I removed them anyway iirc

[split mortar]

I dont think so

[light linden]

which one?

[split mortar]

I think just kill everyone idk

[light linden]

which plan to do that?

[balmy glacier]

become nestle CEO first, then plan out further steps later

[jovial stream]

Ultron is already nestle ceo

[twin portal]

i sent this in spoiler talk and I wanted to shift my question here bc it's not about spoilers

dragons are not the pinnacle of whatever their domain is, so what's the relationship between fire as a thing & the dragon of fire, for example

it's not that the dragon is the "pinnacle of the concept as a whole" (as melon gun pointed out) but is it more of an "ideal" thing?

like the dragon of fire wields the most fire fire to ever fire (not necessarily the strongest, just the most... fire?)

[split mortar]

we dunno the exacts but i think its just they get higher control over whats in the domain no absolutes or conceptual weirdness. and iirc theres dev statements saying it or something similiar

no automatic becoming the best or most in an aspect, just more in that domain

[twin portal]

Hell yeah

I look forward to learning more as the devs pop off, but this makes sense for now

[split mortar]

otonilou is the only example of a god having anything innately special to them from their domain due to being the source of sea prisms and thus exo prisms so there may be some weirdness for gods and dragons but its more unique then most or best in an aspect i think

[twin portal]

It could be a result of her divinity “crystallizing” in some small way (like her presence accumulating bit by bit to form crystals)

Maybe when someone consumes an auric soul and reshapes the power for them (i.e. vetrasyl’s storm domain becoming otonilou’s lightning/electricity domain) part of that reshaping results in something about the world reshaping, maybe because of the souls having been once connected to the world itself in the first place

[pulsar ocean]

is draedon ai first

[twin portal]

So when electricity became the focus of otonilou’s domain, that caused the world to respond by forming a kind of magical crystalline electricity as sea prisms

[twin portal]

Yes

[split mortar]

yes draedon is an ai

[twin portal]

This is all wild speculation i just like lore

[split mortar]

we know its caused by a funky set of exotic resonance particles as seen in draetalk

whyd i reply

[twin portal]

Idk ur all good

Tho i thought that funky particle release was a result of draedon’s experimentation (i.e. exo prisms create it but sea prisms don’t), and that the electricity was just something intrinsic to the crystals

[split mortar]

exotic resonance is what causes the endless spark from them, exo prisms are just super fucking minmaxxed and push that property to the extreme

[twin portal]

Gotcha!

[random mulch]

btw i finished my draedon

[twin portal]

Gorgeous!

[split mortar]

keep garbo away

[twin portal]

The duality

[haughty seal]

🔥

[long bloom]

peam

[manic coral]

as much as i feel like he should

i dont think permafrost will have a line about the wizard

[manic coral]

also

art :D

[split mortar]

maybe mention how perma has nothing to really say or something idfk

[manic coral]

eh that's boring

[random mulch]

gunmetal draedon

[viscid totem]

enter the gungeon draedon

[split mortar]

fair

[cloud ibex]

"I do not care for the Wizard. He insists upon himself."

[twin portal]

Honestly fire

[finite orbit]

i like that reference

[trim peak]

Draedon Is Coming.

[light linden]

[jaunty wraith]

Somthing I was wondering

Does the empress of light know or have any connection to Xeroc? Or does she just happen to use the primordial light as a power sourse

[split mortar]

we dunno, maybe

theres a reason its one of the few things planned for a lore rewrite at some point
since it was just nothingburger]

[jaunty wraith]

I also remember hearing somthing about Providence being lesbain

Is this true or just a headcannon?

[split mortar]

pluh

[trim peak]

I don’t write the lore but probably a falsehood? Lol
Providence probably has no affinities towards romance, she just wants to “purify” all there is

[split mortar]

look at the message i replied to

[jaunty wraith]

Thats what I thought, why would she love anything when her whole personality is being so nihilistic that she wants to destroy everything

[trim peak]

Ah well nevermind then. From the horse’s mouth

[split mortar]

lacking reason to love isnt the same as lacking the ability to

[jaunty wraith]

And if she is lesbain... then who would be redeemable enough in her eyes to love?

[eager bluff]

polycule

[spare pier]

The three Guardians in question

[split mortar]

who said they had to be in love with someone

[spare pier]

But yeah

[trim peak]

Hey I’m not against it, it’s just shocking is all.
Hell yeaaaa, LGBTQ+ Providence

[spare pier]

Providence is lesbian aroace for a reason

[split mortar]

lesbian not equal with a woman rn

[jaunty wraith]

I see fanfic ideas brewing about this

[twin portal]

Ngl i forgot about the goddess and i thought we were saying the capital of Rhode Island is a lesbian

[split mortar]

LMQO

[trim peak]

Lmaooo

[split mortar]

chat london is definitely pan

[trim peak]

Providence and [who]?

[twin portal]

Paris is definitely gay

[split mortar]

the guards

[mighty zenith]

who says it isnt?

[twin portal]

Not me that’s for sure

[jaunty wraith]

Idk, empress of light maybe

[twin portal]

Nah the guardians

[jaunty wraith]

Aren't they male?

[split mortar]

the guardians

all female

provi and guards are all female

[jaunty wraith]

I see

So polyamourus lesbian relationship... I like where this is going

[twin portal]

Reminds me of a ttrpg a friend of mine has

[trim peak]

We’ll see more of this side of Providence in the ostensibly official Calamity comics (it’s never coming to light)

[mighty zenith]

incredible name

[jaunty wraith]

Im making an rpg maker game which i jokingly describe as "evil lesbians take over the world"

[twin portal]

Fire

[split mortar]

mandatory embers mention since we on about providence

-# embers is a side story made by cei on what if and how provi could win

[mighty zenith]

its a good read

-w-

[twin portal]

Where

[split mortar]

here

[twin portal]

Thank u melon gun

[split mortar]

:3

[jaunty wraith]

We need more stories like this...

I've had an idea of what would happen if calamitas wins

[split mortar]

oh thats planned

[jaunty wraith]

Cool

[split mortar]

atoms-draedon

endings-xeroc at the end of existence

names-the nameless serpent

currents-statis and braelor

[jaunty wraith]

These all out or planed?

[split mortar]

ones for yharim and yharon winning the crusade but idk the name

yes

[jaunty wraith]

Cei should do a joke one where king slime wins

Imagine the new promising hero dying to the first obstacle

[mighty zenith]

im so excited for currents and names

[split mortar]

im excited for thwem alll

[mighty zenith]

same but those two especialy

[split mortar]

rtqerehbqebhc

whyd windows open

fear

[mighty zenith]

since DoG and the gays are still pretty enigmatic

[split mortar]

so is the end of existence

[mighty zenith]

true..

[split mortar]

esp since its not moving to the edge of the universe or lasting so long the heat death happens since cei said no to both iirc

[jaunty wraith]

Somthing I thought of

If the player never existed, then who would he want to test his exo mechs on, would he even make them?

[mighty zenith]

possibly try to find yharim

maybe calamitas

[split mortar]

they would make them since theyre to rival when they last met yharin

[twin portal]

He’s also talked a lot about wanting to make beefy ass robots

[mighty zenith]

wdym

[split mortar]

gonna be topics cei writes about

[mighty zenith]

yea

[twin portal]

Like he just likes making/building

[split mortar]

look here

[mighty zenith]

statis and braelor

[twin portal]

^

[mighty zenith]

i just call them the gays cause it sounds funny

[split mortar]

statis and braelor are boyfriends

[jaunty wraith]

Is there anyone in this mod who isn't queer?

[manic coral]

most people in the mod

[split mortar]

uhhhhhhhhhhh, none confirmed

[mighty zenith]

im not queer i think

[split mortar]

but yea thsi#

[manic coral]

hello

[mighty zenith]

hi nerd

[split mortar]

yur my friend so ur at a disadvantage on that and neurodivergence already

[twin portal]

Omg hi cei

[manic coral]

hello

i am working on finishing town npc calamitas dialogue

[split mortar]

lore writers being here isnt rare

[manic coral]

i want this done before the hotfix comes out

[split mortar]

sorry

[jaunty wraith]

Oh cool, if I remember it's a bit outdated with old lore references

[mighty zenith]

ooh do you plan on dropping it in the hotfix?

[twin portal]

Yeah given how much is being overhauled it makes sense y’all gotta rewrite

[manic coral]

if i can

if

[mighty zenith]

:D

dont push yourself ofc

[manic coral]

THIS WILL NOT INCLUDE TOPICS

TO BE CLEAR

JUST normal town npc dialogue

for cal and permafrost

[split mortar]

aight

[mighty zenith]

thats good enough

[jaunty wraith]

Its obviously more important to get rid of fab as soon as possible then dialoge that can be added in the next update

[manic coral]

espeically since something else i wrote for permafrost is ALREADY gonna go in

[twin portal]

Huge

[manic coral]

i'd like that in too

[split mortar]

ima be honest i thought it was topics

[manic coral]

no still working out that

[twin portal]

Ngl I didn’t know she was getting her own topics

[jaunty wraith]

Is calamitas gonna have any interaction with the sea king?

[manic coral]

yes

PERMAFORST does

she absolutely will

[split mortar]

dialogue trees

[twin portal]

Iirc it’s extra lore you can ask her about via dialogue trees

Oop

[split mortar]

ye

SNAIL

[twin portal]

I am a plagiarist

(The Spanish flag was not intended)

[jaunty wraith]

Will calamitas have interactions with vanilla NPCs?

[split mortar]

ohh lol

[manic coral]

yes

permaforst also does

[twin portal]

Speaking of npcs

[jaunty wraith]

If i recall, you do plan to give calamity lore to vanilla npcs st some point

[twin portal]

What’s the bandit’s whole deal I genuinely forget she exists 99% of the time

[manic coral]

and not just minor stuff either

[twin portal]

🔥

[manic coral]

I have been talking  with {Name of Goblin Tinkerer} about the state of our homeland, him having been to Telma more recently than I. Many of the goblin mercenary armies there have apparently become little more than roaming bands of bandits in the wake of the Crusade’s collapse. You have had to fend off some of them, I am aware. But while we might be safe enough here thanks in large part to you… I hope for the safety of not just my people back in Telma, but all {Name of Goblin Tinker}’s people who are simply trying to make it from day to day.

[twin portal]

Yo country namedrop (no clue if Telma’s been mentioned elsewhere)

[dusk laurel]

nope

[jaunty wraith]

Cei cooking as usual 🔥 🔥

[split mortar]

country drop

[twin portal]

Nation collapse

[manic coral]

continent

[twin portal]

HUGE

[split mortar]

YO

[manic coral]

he was born there but left later in his life

and isn't actually where Yharim met Permafrost

but that's a different story

[twin portal]

A GAME STORY

Thanks for watching

[jaunty wraith]

Ooh I got a side story idea:

Calamitas gets therapy

[split mortar]

sadly hasnt been invented yet

[twin portal]

Evil yharim

[split mortar]

yharim is already evil

[manic coral]

evil yharim be like "I do not condone child soliders under any circumstance"

[split mortar]

oh that joke

its late

iiiooop

[jaunty wraith]

But yharims not evil, hes just a misunderstood misguided character...

Yeah I take the lore items 100% face value. How can you tell?

[twin portal]

Lmao

[split mortar]

the nefarious half the world dead thanks to that fuck

[twin portal]

Evil yharim be like “calamitas is getting therapy”

“Morality is nuanced”

[jaunty wraith]

I say this as a joke but there are people who legit believe that

[split mortar]

i know some have come here and got told theyre wrong

[twin portal]

Good

Mild one piece spoilers but it’s some ||doflamingo|| ass shit

“I suffered and bad stuff happened to me so I have full reign to commit mass murder” ass

[split mortar]

im not kidding, the total deaths of the crusade including side damages like famines was half the world

just dead

[twin portal]

Jesus

[split mortar]

gone

300 MILLION in direct casualties

[twin portal]

Not to mention the injured, unhoused, traumatized, or otherwise devastated

[jaunty wraith]

Ironic, in a crusade to get revenge against the gods, he ended up doing more damage then any god ever could

[split mortar]

like battles and stuff

[twin portal]

Man was a fucking natural disaster

A calamity, one might say

[split mortar]

the only god that could is xeroc and they want to protect the planet from outside threats

[jaunty wraith]

This isn't even mentioning the dungeon and everyone who died in there

[split mortar]

pluh

[twin portal]

Hot take guys

War bad

[split mortar]

pluh

citing sources

[twin portal]

melon gun with the academic integrity

[split mortar]

oh yeah and entire ecosystems got erased by it, thats just the people numbers

[twin portal]

Makes sense

Draedon doesn’t seem like the kind of guy to give a shit about collateral

And Yharim is a one-track-mind slaughterer so he wouldn’t give a shit

[split mortar]

they were given the ability to science with the one condition of doing war and so made them have gear stronger then irl tech

[twin portal]

SCal probably didn’t make the devastation any lighter (see: Ilmeris)

[split mortar]

scal just erased the general direction with their nukes per second level destruction

[twin portal]

Yup

[split mortar]

i am not kidding by the way that is mathematically the case of nukes per second

as a young teen

[twin portal]

I believe you, given she boiled a sea singlehandedly

[split mortar]

someone did the calc (omni) with what we know

[twin portal]

Once we get more updated info I am absolutely running the numbers

[split mortar]

and the continent we play on was hit the hardest by the crusade

hence why so few npcs and people in general exist

cause over half of them just like

dead

thanks to one guy

[dusk laurel]

ground zero

[twin portal]

Also helps explain why most remaining inhabitants are hostile

[split mortar]

yeah

[twin portal]

Like, if one guy devastated your entire continent and wiped half the planet out

You’re probably not gonna open your door for visitors without a 12-gauge and an itchy trigger finger

[split mortar]

atleast yharim treated theirr soldiers nicely (paid well and given great living conditions when not in active combat)

[twin portal]

I mean

Until they died

Then into the soul box

With the big robot

[split mortar]

oh and destroyed any living systems of people killing giant monsters that can end towns overnight

[split mortar]

that was consensual iirc

and they still follow yharims orders iirc

[twin portal]

I mean I guess, but it kinda gives warhammer dreadnought vibes

[split mortar]

fair

[mighty zenith]

five night freddys

[dusk laurel]

yharim soldiers were treated really well

its a neat propaganda tool

[eager bluff]

horrible image please stop cooking

[split mortar]

yharim has morals, the orphan incinerator 9000 and manipulating children is fine

slavery isnt

[magic epoch]

what even is that thing

[split mortar]

idk

[twin portal]

Cooking ceased

Kitchen emptied

The cake is done

[split mortar]

coercing a child to kill millions is fine though, even if their traumatised judgement is uh bad

[twin portal]

Exactly

Yharim has morals, just the ones most convenient to him

He only disparages things that he doesn’t intend on doing

[dusk laurel]

it gets new recruits in and instills loyalty

[twin portal]

Slavery? Poor working conditions for most of his soldiers? Of course not, vile

[dusk laurel]

also pretty helpful for espionage when needed

[split mortar]

and may get enemy troups to go over to their side

[twin portal]

Yup

[dusk laurel]

🐌

[split mortar]

stfu

yharims able to convince irl people for a reason

[twin portal]

Good old military propaganda

[split mortar]

yharim had like 2100 tech while everyone else had 1800 tech

bit of a uh, convincing argument

[magic epoch]

draedon goater

[twin portal]

Also his followers would lead (relatively) good lives

So from a citizen’s perspective, it’s either join or perish

[split mortar]

its a shame yharim also targetted the civilians

[twin portal]

Yup

[split mortar]

-# i am not used to coming across a new lorer whose decently well versed in it lol

and yharon the sick ass cool dragon is prob a good propaganda thing

ok i think a lot is good propaganda stuff

[split pewter]

and a sick ass dragon that emits an orchestra wherever it goes

[split mortar]

snail

[twin portal]

🐌

[twin portal]

(Who is this referring to; I left for a sec)

[split mortar]

mainly you

been here for months and havent seen ya

[twin portal]

(Ahh; I also am hesitant to accept compliments I’m not sure am mine)

[twin portal]

I’ve been on this server for 4-ish years, I just pop in and out

[split mortar]

fair

[twin portal]

My fixations tend to drift between like 3-4 things, calamity being one of them

[split mortar]

i have the unmatched power of autism

[twin portal]

Also just graduated from undergrad and have been frantically figuring out stuff so that’s taken a lot of time lol

[twin portal]

Glory be to the tism

[covert blaze]

bear

[twin portal]

I’ve got that “a fey asked for my attention and I foolishly said yes” disease

[split mortar]

ah

[twin portal]

Two Ds short but yes

[split mortar]

🔥

[twin portal]

Thank you, thank you

I usually end up asking a lot of questions bc a) given the huge lore overhaul over the past stretch I’ve had to catch up stuff here and there and b) I don’t like being presumptuous about stuff I’m not certain about

[split mortar]

fair

[manic coral]

The latter is better than being confidently incorrect

[twin portal]

Indeed

[split mortar]

true

[manic coral]

As with a lot of the community

[twin portal]

Fr

Ive really enjoyed the lore overhaul the past stretch! Funnily enough before getting back into calamity I started writing a world for a D&D campaign and realized some funny similarities between them (just the idea of “ascension to godhood via eating parts of a primordial soul”)

[manic coral]

Listen if a direct guaranteed boss drop saying something is a thing is something some youtube videos are legit gonna call "too obscure" then idk what to tell you buddy

[twin portal]

So that was a goofy realization

[twin portal]

Bro that’s not obscure that’s blatant

[manic coral]

And yes I have actually seen that before

[twin portal]

💀

[split mortar]

was it also in that recent "is calamity overrated" vid i forgor

[manic coral]

They also showed the lore page from the fandom wiki

Yes

[split mortar]

YEP

[manic coral]

That video

[twin portal]

LMAO WHAT

[manic coral]

I wasn't gonna SPECIFICALLY name it but

[split mortar]

"the lore is obscure" motherfuckers when 90% of lore is in 3 eaily accessible locations

[twin portal]

Yeah calamity sucks you need to rotate your device 300 times to unlock the secret ending

I play destiny I’m used to people complaining about a lack of lore when there’s a literal tab in the menu full of it labeled “lore”

[split mortar]

i also dont get how some people just havent noticed the lore rewrite despite still playing the game

[twin portal]

See that’s what shocks me

[split mortar]

do they not get curious and re read the items

[manic coral]

Like, I don't want to accidentally send harassment some peoples' way due to mentioning stuff like this or in the case of it being REALLY ESPECIALLY bad enough, giving them attention they don't deserve

[twin portal]

The lore went from “a nice supplement” to “a big reason I’m as invested as I am” and I keep seeing people go “what lore overhaul”

[manic coral]

So I generally don't talk about who to what specifically when I complain about stuff like this

[twin portal]

No shade, I get that some people came late or just didn’t read it, but 💀

[twin portal]

Smart

[split mortar]

and boss bestiarys

[manic coral]

I mean the people who came late would be around after the rewrite happened

[split mortar]

fair

[twin portal]

Indeed; I think I meant more so “returning folks”

[manic coral]

Ah

Makes more sense ye

[split mortar]

i am most excited for the new lore in sso lol

[twin portal]

Same

Y’all are killing it

[split mortar]

then any boss reworks or items or worldgen

[pulsar ocean]

does draedon count as life if i wanted to kill silva

[split mortar]

im excited for that aswell

[twin portal]

Good question

[manic coral]

And if you're lucky you might get some of that stuff not in SSO but instead soon in the hotfix

[split mortar]

maybe? auric hates draedon

[twin portal]

Pleek

[mighty zenith]

obscure = i can't be bothered to read it becuase im too busy doing nothing thanks to 20 qol mods

[manic coral]

Wait until I start including the ACTUALLY obscure lore

[split mortar]

then reddit will get more angry

[twin portal]

“Mod too short I press instant win button and I instant win”

[split mortar]

chat why is calamity so easy
the nefarious alchemist npc potions

[twin portal]

We talking environmental storytelling, rare drop description, rare interaction, or arg (or other)?

[split mortar]

environmental is already planned lol

[twin portal]

I’m down for any and all

[split mortar]

same

[twin portal]

Indeed there is some already

[split mortar]

like the hadean wilds

[twin portal]

And from what we’ve seen of SSO there’s def more

[twin portal]

Ye

[split mortar]

#spoilers message

#spoilers message

[pulsar ocean]

does that mean finding the roxcalibur to break progression will be easier

[split mortar]

probably

explode all lore writers!!!

[twin portal]

[plucky lichen]

I have been enjoying my slower calamity progression

I’m like uhhh 70ish hours in on this one character? I haven’t beat dog yet

I’ve just been building and following the long crafting trees for cool stuff

Because I like collecting things

I think it is awesome sauce and cool to put my npc’s in nice housing

Now I’m facing a problem because I wanted to put permafrost in the big log cabin lodge I just built, but I think it would be nice to have calamitas housed with permafrost but calamitas likes the forest

And it would be nice to have both of them be happy

Maybe I can somehow split it… hm.

[twin portal]

Is there a forest/ice border you can build them near?

[plucky lichen]

No, my ice is surrounded by hallowed desert and astral infection

Maybe I can make an artificial island

I already have an artificial hallowed island

The nefarious gay tower

[twin portal]

Peanits

[plucky lichen]

It’s on a floating island but I can’t zoom out that far

[twin portal]

That’s gorgeous tho

[plucky lichen]

Well now you ruined it

[magic epoch]

the nefarious gay tower

[twin portal]

Sorry sorry my brain just goes there

[pulsar ocean]

im sorry but i cant look at it and not think of

[magic epoch]

oh btw use camera mode

[twin portal]

I’m a poor bisexual man it’s all I can do

[magic epoch]

f4 i think

[pliant ruin]

glutton bug is CANON.

[pulsar ocean]

who

[plucky lichen]

Ohhhhh yeah I have updated it slightly too

[pliant ruin]

glutton bug is CANON.

[plucky lichen]

Roy reference

[pliant ruin]

anyways what r u guys up to.

[magic epoch]

trans gender

[pliant ruin]

ok woke

[plucky lichen]

Talking about how much I like to take my time in calamity playthrough

[pulsar ocean]

im playin (NMD) Undertale Timeline Corruption: TD on roblox

[pliant ruin]

thats awesome

i just got done coding some stuff

it was fun

but now

i must tak ea break

[pulsar ocean]

fire

breaks are important

[magic epoch]

ur literally gay

[pulsar ocean]

what is a glutton bug

[pliant ruin]

enemy from roy that has turned into a meme more or less

yeah that guy

oh seems liek

i missed alot..

big ass convo

[mighty zenith]

stipude

[dusk laurel]

stpuid

[twin portal]

Who up transin’ they gender

[pulsar ocean]

calamity

[pliant ruin]

That's cute and sad, also

Poor gobbos

[tropic oak]

True.

[manic coral]

Thank you for your input Mr. Obama

[plucky lichen]

Heres the slightly modified gay tower, just filled out the pillars a bit

[tropic oak]

Of course.

This has been Obama

[plucky lichen]

holy obama

[dusk laurel]

Mr. President what do you think of hospitals

[plucky lichen]

treading a fine line here

[tropic oak]

Depends. Which side are they on?

[pulsar ocean]

the good one

[twin portal]

It looks amazing and it looked great before too; apologies for the peanits

[dusk laurel]

The other side

[tropic oak]

https://tenor.com/view/bruh-missile-attack-gif-15129536

Obama has embed failed.

This has been Obama

[magic epoch]

wait no obama

we need you

[tropic oak]

Obama knows all about the Callore

Ask Obama a question

[plucky lichen]

whats your favorite cal ship

[magic epoch]

murdered

[tropic oak]

Braelor and Statis.

[plucky lichen]

well thats like a given

[tropic oak]

I think anyone that ships Calamitas with any other character should die.

[plucky lichen]

i also agree

[tropic oak]

This has been Obama

[plucky lichen]

can we throw missiles at them

[tropic oak]

We have the budget for that

[dusk laurel]

Thank you Mr. President

[tropic oak]

I am unsure if there are any other Canon Ships, but you did ask me for my favorite, and that is it.

[twin portal]

Mr president what’s your opinion on coldheart icicle

[split mortar]

Peak

[tropic oak]

I’ve never had the opportunity to use it, yet. I will update you at another time.

[twin portal]

Thank you Mr president

[pliant ruin]

my favorite cal ship is unironically silva and xeroc

i think it's Funny.

I don't think i ship any other characters besides those two anyways

i mean yeah Braelor and Statis but that one is a given

[cosmic zenith]

Photosynthesis is so real

[split mortar]

You dont ship it the writers do snd then they make it our problem

[tropic oak]

This would be a most interesting relationship

“Yeah, I’m dating GOD. What about it?”

I did not explore this possibility.

[split mortar]

Silva and xeroc perfect ascended theyre onviously perfect. For eachother.

[pliant ruin]

I think it could be cute givne Silva and Xeroc are like, two of the only gods left, and both seem to be generally on the Nicer side of things

[tropic oak]

soulmates must be a real thing in calamity…

[pliant ruin]

Plus it's funny to think of them as a divorced couple in the current state of the game.

[split mortar]

Scal and brimmy

[tropic oak]

True.

[split mortar]

Attuned or whatever souls caused weird power stuff

[pliant ruin]

Also we don't know that much about their personalities but

[tropic oak]

Soulmates in the romantic and LITERAL sense would be a cool concept.

[pliant ruin]

i feel like they could mesh well

[split mortar]

Oh wait soulmate is also romantic

Its nearly midnight shut up

[tropic oak]

Ok.

You got me.

[split mortar]

👍

[calm patio]

yeah, fraudbama

[tropic oak]

You are below me. Bark like a dog

[calm patio]

i only worship the real obama within nohitcord.

[twin portal]

[tall ridge]

can someone explain calamity lore in less than a min?

[dusk laurel]

how did you manage to use the old terminus and xeroc art at the same time lmao

[tropic oak]

yellow man wrecks havoc

[pliant ruin]

evil yellow man throws a tantrum and blames like 80% of the world for it because he's racist, proceeds to commit genocide

[split mortar]

Uses cool dragons as propaganda to convince irl people

[tropic oak]

there was this guy on youtube that did a great video on terraria’s lore i hope he does calamity’s

[split mortar]

-# no we cant, not to any good degree atleast

[young socket]

i couldnt be bothered getting a clean terminus rip from the video so i just used the current sprite
as for xeroc, thats the one in art references, and i personally dont like new xeroc anyway. also this one has a better pose (as it actually would look like theyre dragging terminus)

[young socket]

too late

[dusk laurel]

i dont care

[tall ridge]

im so lost rn @tropic oak imma need a little more than that

[split mortar]

Unfirtunately calamity cant easily be explained in like
1 minute

[pastel bay]

Well

[long bloom]

800 years ago dragons chilling, moonlord rocks up and kills half of them and gravely injures the king, fuckass monk eats his soul and becomes a god

everyone else is like "word" and kills the rest of the dragons to become gods

700 years later some guy named yharim gets thrown in lava with the egg of the last dragon, it hatches and saves him and tells him about the dragon genocide, he gets pissed and goes on a crusade to kill all the gods

in doing so he fucks the world beyond repair, so at the end of the crusade the player shows up to fix it

[long bloom]

casual

[split mortar]

I will drop the pre made 5 full text messages that briefly cover cal lore

[pastel bay]

"Gods killed dragons yharim refused to become their king tried to kill all the gods most worked he messed stuff up you're there to fix (?) it"

[split mortar]

Full text as in i ran out of soace

[jolly edge]

such a cruel world

i apologize already

[long bloom]

what a calamity

[pastel bay]

OH yeah Calamitas is there too

[tropic oak]

I have nitro. I can send them if you’d like.

[tall ridge]

is the monk supposed to be the lunatic cultist

[jolly edge]

nope

[pastel bay]

no

Cultist is

[split mortar]

Oh nah i can easily split it into 5 messages to send

[pastel bay]

Actually what is the cultist

[tropic oak]

The Lunatic Cultist is certainly a guy.

[pastel bay]

Can't remember if he's tryna keep Fovus sealed or not

[split mortar]

Cultists are what the monks turned into centuries later

[split mortar]

Yeah sealing em

Hence why they go mad

Cause they think theyre holding back prime fovos

as in the fucker who can uh
End the dragons

[tall ridge]

yh this is why i dont read fantasy books cos how am i supposed to keep up with this

[trim peak]

So, would you say Xeroc (or any monk for that matter) in his monk form is around the level of Lunatic Cultist in terms of power

[split mortar]

-# calamity isnt a book

[tropic oak]

Well, not to be a smartass,

but use your brain.

It isn’t a book.

All you must do is remember.

[jolly edge]

100 page lore document

[pastel bay]

Short story at most

[split mortar]

Xeroc was uh
Like nevulously post ml but pre scal

Its kinda designed for you to come across the lore ingame and not all at once

[split mortar]

The way i did it was via pure unfiltered autism spectrum disorder

[tropic oak]

True.