lore-discussion

[long bloom]

a year ago

[light linden]

iirc draedon says it disappears inside his body

[young socket]

ooooohhhhhhhh you wannna read draetalk ingame..................

[split mortar]

Yeah it goes somewhere

[long bloom]

i do

but infernum hard

[untold forge]

I got a job I don't have as much time for it anymore :(

[stark basalt]

Draedon about to info dump all the knowledge he’s learned over the years to us (He’s put deep thought into it)

[untold forge]

Yuh

I fucking love this

[young socket]

🚆

[untold forge]

I had read it already it's just been a while

I haven't actually been active in chat for several months

How about we get political and talk about if yharim was right to genocide all of the gods

[dense lynx]

How young was Yharim when he was thrown into lava?

[untold forge]

He must have ran an impressive campaign to keep this war up for decades

[split mortar]

Like 20-30 iirc

[mighty zenith]

we know he was a young adult

[dense lynx]

So how old would he be now?

[mighty zenith]

in his 130s

[untold forge]

^

Still relative prime as yharon only died recently

[dense lynx]

That makes him oldest human to have ever lived

[split mortar]

Perma is in their multipe hundreds

[mighty zenith]

melon theygun

[untold forge]

Mayhaps

[untold forge]

Tell me this is true

[dusk laurel]

yes

hes like 500

[mighty zenith]

it is

[dense lynx]

What we know Terrarian atleast is an adult

[untold forge]

These are the little facts I miss

[mighty zenith]

perma's an archmage, of course he has a spell that lets him live for long

[untold forge]

I mean it's a self proclaimed title

[mighty zenith]

fair enough

[untold forge]

Mine is just the way minthara says wizard

[dense lynx]

What does the permafrost body play on slow mode?

[young socket]

the little facts u miss by NOT BEING HERE

[untold forge]

I KNOWWWWWW 😭😭😭

[young socket]

wat

[mighty zenith]

locks u in the dungeon for 3000 years

[untold forge]

" What would happen if permafrost was betrayed and imprisoned in the dungeon for 3000 years "

[deft valve]

extreme ultra power ego super saiyan

[untold forge]

HAHAHA

[mighty zenith]

permafrost vs goku (no limbs, blindfolded, heart virus)

[deft valve]

no, just head

jusr gokus eyes actually

[untold forge]

I should make a terrarian that is actually just an old senile man that can cast fireball

[deft valve]

rolling on the floor

to permafrost

[untold forge]

Heart virus implies android saga it's over 😭

[mighty zenith]

the type of mf to say "magic missile" and fire a basic-ass spell

[untold forge]

Fr

🙏

Bro perfected the magic missile spell in-game then dies to king slime because he threw his back

[deft valve]

he threw it back?

[untold forge]

Concerning...

[deft valve]

[untold forge]

King slime is so weak

The nefarious several hundred ton block of slime:

[young socket]

i think there should be a future boss called

bigger king slime

[untold forge]

I pulled that number out of my ass btw

[young socket]

and its just king slime but really fucking big

[untold forge]

Death mode...

[deft valve]

woah

[split mortar]

Gfb

[deft valve]

not in front of everything dude

[mighty zenith]

[untold forge]

Pluh

I was just saying before somebody was like "where did you get that number from"

Like I made it up on the spot for some giggles

[young socket]

bigger

[young socket]

BIGGER

[untold forge]

GUH

[deft valve]

is he really not big enough to satisfy you

hes super big in gfb its dumb

[untold forge]

The 2 pixel screenshot

[young socket]

BIGGER

[deft valve]

your joke is really outstaying its welcome

[untold forge]

Idk

[light linden]

context

[dusk laurel]

scroll up

[long bloom]

they were commenting on how sus the message sounds out of context

[dusk laurel]

i know

but they asked for context, which is not that far up from that message

[magic epoch]

Unreasonably funny to me

[real silo]

he fucking

[untold oracle]

Yuri

[magic epoch]

Gay

[mighty zenith]

train yuri

[young socket]

its meant to look like this

💥

[dusk laurel]

drain

[magic epoch]

yea I know it just looks so funny to mw

[hasty valley]

Have we

Devolved so much that we

[split mortar]

Nah its normal rn

[hasty valley]

Are starting to laugh upon the sight of a forward facing locomotive

[magic epoch]

yes

[hasty valley]

God I love this world

[split mortar]

Thats happening since atleast months ago

[mighty zenith]

oh my gah

[dusk laurel]

pre baked goods

pbg

[narrow geode]

traindon

[real glen]

No more drunk princess?

[long bloom]

shot dead in baltimore

closed casket funeral

[random mulch]

will be lowered into the ocean and never seen again

[dusk laurel]

the worms will consume the carcass

a fitting end

[random mulch]

cirrus' casket will be entombed withing the worm pond

[split mortar]

The eel pit

[stark basalt]

Thrown into the Sulphur Sea

[robust osprey]

just add cirrus getting eaten by a bone serpent underworld cutscene

[snow mountain]

we need to kill her and then kill her again

[wheat walrus]

Add Cirrus being vaporized as her kingdom is destroyed overnight (like Fabsol's reputation and being)

[fiery meadow]

Might be a hot take but I don’t really like the designs of the new gods
They’re good as pre-ascension designs, but they just don’t feel that divine ig?
Most of them are literally just people, while Slime God’s design is just a ball in a cage
Ravager and Providence are probably the best imo cause they reflect the godliness of them really well, being very inhuman and divine (though I have my own problems with Providence, but they’re minimal compared to the other gods)

[snow mountain]

🙏

[robust osprey]

I don't think gods really need to be "divine"

they just need to represent their domain through their design and maybe some personality into it

[snow mountain]

its so inconsistent though

[robust osprey]

I mean god forms are inconsistent beacuse the ascension is

[random mulch]

ravager's kinda a bad example cause it's basically a walking pile of corpses

[robust osprey]

also that

ravager is just an attempt to recreate a god

[split mortar]

And may or may not be multiple gods

[limpid saddle]

well it technically is a god now

god of blood

[robust osprey]

I mean kinda

still a dead corpse...

[snow mountain]

aren't the gods unable to control their appearances unless they were already pretty powerful beforehand?

[fiery meadow]

I’ll be real nothing sells the God of Sacrifices better than, well
Sacrifice taken to the most extreme

[limpid saddle]

I like weird god designs

[fiery meadow]

The candles and cloth, the flesh and bone and skulls
It makes Ravager probably the best design for the god

[limpid saddle]

I hope we get more ones like Providence & Slime God

[split mortar]

Its that the ascension doesnt always change them as drastically i think
And silva and xeroc can basically shapeshift

[limpid saddle]

They're strange & otherworldly, as something divine should be

[snow mountain]

why choose to be basic humans then?

[tropic oak]

i have to agree

[long bloom]

and provi i think

[limpid saddle]

The esoteric roots are I think an important part of them

[split mortar]

Dont think so?

[robust osprey]

xeroc is likely to not be just a basic human

[tropic oak]

I do enjoy the more fucked up versions of the gods. Humanoids make no sense to me.

[limpid saddle]

cause they're boring basic bitches

[tropic oak]

You were also previously human. That power is going to corrupt you. This has been obama

[snow mountain]

look at provi, slime god, ravager

[tropic oak]

Okay I dont think ravager is a good example

[snow mountain]

fair

[tropic oak]

but the other two i agree with

[limpid saddle]

No they mean new ravager

i think

[snow mountain]

the slime god was a coward and he reflects that

silva should be wayy more random, representing life and allat

[robust osprey]

what new god designs do we even have

[limpid saddle]

Hard to call the guy a coward when all his followers who were stronger than her were brutally murdered

[tropic oak]

Personally, I can understand Silva remaining in a human form—She was a dryad

The rest? not so much

[limpid saddle]

She was also an elemental

[tropic oak]

Correct

[limpid saddle]

so she's like 3 embodiments of life wrapped into one being

& shes like

a normal woman

with horns & tree legs

[stark basalt]

I agree that Ravager should look like it’s an amalgamation of bodies. It’s the product of necromancy, so the image that I have in my head is body horror esque (SCP-001 When Day Breaks as an example)

[snow mountain]

treee

bone tree

[limpid saddle]

what're your thoughts on the new ravager design

[stark basalt]

That’s my interpretation tho

[stark basalt]

What channel is it in?

[limpid saddle]

One sec

[tropic oak]

Like, okay, look at the sea gods

Onti and Tyrian

[stark basalt]

Have not been here for a while haha

[tropic oak]

They remain human in some way or form,

why?

They ascended, like Xeroc, and Provi, why not change them drastically as well?

[split mortar]

They are more humane gods then provi or ravager

[dusk laurel]

slime god is not otherworldly

[snow mountain]

especially with such all-encompassing domains

[limpid saddle]

tadaaa

[snow mountain]

electricity?

thats pretty abstract

[stark basalt]

Oooh interesting

[limpid saddle]

to be fair ontinilou's a jellyfish she's already pretty weird

[snow mountain]

they should represent that more aptly

[tropic oak]

Yes, however, morality does not consitute being able to control the way you look.

[snow mountain]

make her less human mayhaps

[limpid saddle]

Phase 1 & 2 respectively

[tropic oak]

"Humane" doesn't really sell me here.

[stark basalt]

Seems very holy unholy if that makes sense

Macabre

[tropic oak]

I wish the designs led more into the domains they actually had control over.

[limpid saddle]

A fun thing I like is that the altar you summon the boss at actually turns into phase 1 ravager

As seen above

[tropic oak]

Sure, Tyrian has an arm canon, but so does my wulfrum armor.

[snow mountain]

ditto

[limpid saddle]

i think thats pretty cool

[dusk laurel]

hey ggg user

ive had a change of heart

maybe calclone isnt so bad

youll see why soon

[split mortar]

Go sscls

[pliant ruin]

There is an actual reason as to why some gods look more human and others don't

I don't think we know what said reason is

[manic coral]

thank you very much Mr. Obama

[pliant ruin]

but we know that much

[snow mountain]

yeah, we've gone over that

[fiery meadow]

Kill CalClone and replace her with a duel between you and Calamitas 🙏
CalClone could be killed and nothing would really change

[pliant ruin]

does he know

[manic coral]

incorrect

[pliant ruin]

he dosen't know

[manic coral]

does he know

[fiery meadow]

👀

[dusk laurel]

does he know

[limpid saddle]

Im gonna kill you

[split mortar]

They dont know

[young socket]

HE DOESNT KNOW

[tropic oak]

"no more holding back" at pre-hm

good luck

[manic coral]

for reference

aside form moving evil2 to Post-ML

the second msot likely boss progression change atm is

Calclone and Slime God

[limpid saddle]

Calamitas Clone is the best part of Calamity & if she's taken out I will permeneantly revoke all support for the Calamity mod

[dusk laurel]

false

that i cannot support

[limpid saddle]

actually i would be so sad & angry & vaugely confused

[split mortar]

@limpid saddle

[untold forge]

🙏

[limpid saddle]

Yeah thats moving her tier thats not killing her

[fiery meadow]

Slime God being moved post-ML seems awesome
The gods finally have some consistency in power that’s shown in game which is cool

[dusk laurel]

she got demoted

im so happy

penultimate boss of phm

instead of post mechs

[limpid saddle]

💔

[untold forge]

Love it

[dusk laurel]

weep all you want

[split mortar]

Slime god is going to equal to plant???

[tropic oak]

Check Arsenal.

[dusk laurel]

the future is bright

[limpid saddle]

im gonna

the future is dark

there is no hope

[fiery meadow]

???????

[dusk laurel]

the path forward is a smooth road

[fiery meadow]

When did I ever say that

[limpid saddle]

plantera

[split mortar]

You said sg going post ml

Shich it is t

[limpid saddle]

it's carved with cruel rocks that pierce your feet as you walk along it's twisted rotten way

[split mortar]

Calclone is post mechs

[tropic oak]

I still, would like to see Silva at some point within the game. I dont care if it's her golden skeleton.

[young socket]

only a few spelling mistakes

[untold forge]

We are

[dusk laurel]

my day could not be better

[split mortar]

Yes

[limpid saddle]

my day could not get worse

[dusk laurel]

the jubilant time

[untold forge]

She is in the abyss and last I heard (a year ago) they were planning to add her in, in a future update

[limpid saddle]

the terrible time

[dusk laurel]

and for god so loved the world that he sealed calamitas clone away

[tropic oak]

I know the former, I did not know the latter.

Source?

[limpid saddle]

and for god spited this world with such ferocity that he tore from it his greatest gift

[dusk laurel]

ive heard that her corpse may be added at the bottom of the abyss

[untold forge]

^

That's what I was referring

To

[tropic oak]

nothing concrete it seems

[dusk laurel]

especially since the abyss just got reworked

new termi shrine lets go

[split mortar]

Super sea overhaul

[limpid saddle]

it has never been so over

[young socket]

MY SOURCE IS THAT I MADE IT THE FUCK UP

[tropic oak]

senator no !!!!!!!

[dusk laurel]

the slime shall rise from the ashes of calamity

[limpid saddle]

& so i shall burn with them

only hoping my spite will fuel her return

[dusk laurel]

it may have already been set in stone

theres light at the end of the tunnel

[limpid saddle]

no there isnt the lights painted on like a wil e coyote cartoon

[tropic oak]

i think sso needs more risk of rain references actually . my epic lore take .

[fiery meadow]

Post-Moon Lord Slime God means that there will be slime bosses at the start of progression for each major point and that pleases a part of me

[untold forge]

I've been scrolling for like 5 minutes and only gone back a month

[fiery meadow]

🙏

[untold forge]

I'll be back in an hour

😂

[tropic oak]

Save us, Dragoncraft9. Expert opinions on the daily.

[dusk laurel]

"nothing ever happens!!!"

the blissful restructuring day:

[fiery meadow]

Something happened 👀

[split mortar]

Slime god isnt become post ml

[half tulip]

Is Silva the one at the bottom of the Abyss causing the incessant growth?

[fiery meadow]

Sad!

[long bloom]

yes

[manic coral]

yeah i said slime god and calclone swpa is the idea rn

calclone is currently pre-plant

[long bloom]

whuh

[limpid saddle]

If I give the calamity devs both my kidneys & 5,000 pound sterling will they keep calclone at her current tier

[long bloom]

hauh

[half tulip]

I’m gonna be honest I never knew if she was alive or dead while being down there

[manic coral]

no

[long bloom]

alive but just barely

[manic coral]

becuase end of pre-HM calclone is jsut better in every way

[long bloom]

definitely not conscious

[half tulip]

Girlie is just dreaming.

[untold forge]

It's joever tbh

[tropic oak]

i want to see the concrete brick and chain to silva's foot that yharim gave her to keep her down there

[fiery meadow]

I’ll be real I’d hope CalClone just gets nuked and replaced with a Calamitas duel where she’s holding back
For a few reasons actually

[manic coral]

first point

[fiery meadow]

Uh one of them being the music cause

[manic coral]

why would she

[long bloom]

that would be nice

[limpid saddle]

Im gonna beat you over the head with a hammer

[limpid saddle]

im gonna drop an anvil on you

[tropic oak]

50 dollar gift wowie

[untold forge]

The random bot message

[dusk laurel]

50 DOLLAR STEAM GIFTCARD

[untold forge]

XD

[manic coral]

and second point, Calclone is ultimately a being who embodies what people think Calamitas is

[young socket]

50!!!!!¡!!!

[manic coral]

Calclone embodies the Calamitas you learn about before Permafrost

[untold forge]

Its all mine hehehe

[manic coral]

The legend

the monster

etc

[limpid saddle]

& beyond that she's so much more

[fierce pagoda]

The autobot is hoarding all the 50 dollar steam gift cards for itself

[manic coral]

calclone is the logical conclusion to that idea

[young socket]

ive said it before but id love if calclone had a more "monstrous" appearence due this reasoning

[limpid saddle]

she both literally & figuratively represents Calamitas during the Crusades, her fractured mental state driving her to violence to relieve her anguish

[young socket]

like having really long horns

[manic coral]

and then, AFTER that

[limpid saddle]

This is even reflected in Raw, Unfiltered Calamity as a track

[manic coral]

you meet permafrost

[dusk laurel]

this would be awesome iirc

[manic coral]

the point at which you begin to learn about not calamitas, the legend

but calamitas

the actual person

[young socket]

and i dont mean inhuman i mean just like

[fierce pagoda]

but dont you meet Permafrost before Calclone in the boss progression

[long bloom]

this sounds really cool but for it to work effectively pre hardmode would need to be longer

[young socket]

u see that and instinctively think"unhinged villain"

[fiery meadow]

RUC is meant to be a culmination of a journey, with all the motifs it has and the sort
And Interlude 1 fits having bested this thing but knowing your journey is far from over
Having two back to back interludes after literally one boss feels very weird to me (VCMM is officially endorsed which is why I make this point)

[manic coral]

scroll up

you missed the memo

[untold forge]

That's why it's getting moved to pre hard mode

[long bloom]

MAYBE

not confirmed

[swift ferry]

waiting for the part of the fight where she flies over to the desert and says "check this shit out"

[untold forge]

To correct myself

[manic coral]

it's the plan but not a solid one yet

[untold forge]

That's why she wants it moved

[manic coral]

it's what we WANT to do

[fierce pagoda]

pre hardmode calclone? ah hell nah im getting my ass kicked

[manic coral]

Swap slime god and cal clone in progression

[long bloom]

cei what do you think of this

[fiery meadow]

There’s also the Mechs and Calamitas parallels which are lost cause well
You fight CalClone right before the Wall of Flesh

[fierce pagoda]

if calclone and slime jod swaps places what will happen to slime queen

[manic coral]

i mean you only meet permafrost a good while later

since there's wlal of flehs after, yes

[fierce pagoda]

just another paladin i guess

[manic coral]

but there's a LOT to do after wall of flesh

[dusk laurel]

rogue paladin

[limpid saddle]

Im gonna go cry & blast raw, unfiltered calamity while you poor unknowing souls fail to see the crucial element of Calamitas Clone & her role in the plot, as a character, & as a reflection of Calamitas herself

[manic coral]

rogue paladin yes

[long bloom]

me too

[dusk laurel]

[fierce pagoda]

very cool and interesting stuff

[manic coral]

it'll still be a while before you meet permafrost

[long bloom]

unless you need to bumrush mechs

[fiery meadow]

CalClone is just some thing that Draedon made who Calamitas set free and that’s it
CalClone is a one off thing treated like it’s some grand thing when it really isn’t

[limpid saddle]

Isnt cryogen like the 4th hardmode boss

[long bloom]

2nd

aquatic scourge is 4th

[fierce pagoda]

he can be the first if you want to

[manic coral]

cryogen is anywhere from the 1st to 6th

[fiery meadow]

Most you get from CalClone’s existence is that Calamitas / Brimmy’s power is transferable and that’s it

[manic coral]

though realistically

later than 1st for sure

since

[fiery meadow]

It’s something that can be done and written better beyond some clone of Calamitas

[limpid saddle]

It brings tears to my eyes when someone misses the point of the character this utterly

[manic coral]

there's not much reaosn to kill cryo before you geta ccess to t2 hardmode ores

[fiery meadow]

What point of the character 😭

[long bloom]

listen to the music in full

you'll understand

[spare pier]

Have you just not read anything Cei said?

Cal Clone embodies what people think Calamitas is

[split mortar]

That its what people think scal is

[fiery meadow]

You can like, do that with normal Calamitas though???

[spare pier]

No?????

What

[young socket]

why would u do that with actual cal

[spare pier]

The entire point is that Cal Clone IS NORT CALAMITAS

[fiery meadow]

Like, have her show herself to be this cold ruthless legend everyone assumes her to be

[dusk laurel]

nort

hehe

[spare pier]

But

[long bloom]

the calamitas clone represents the culmination of your journey, a false conclusion, and the realization of how far you still have yet to go

[fiery meadow]

And build on that by showing more to her

[spare pier]

She

Isn't

[fierce pagoda]

people think Scal is scary evil monster, but shes actually a complex and misunderstood character who was a bictim used by Yharim

[spare pier]

That

"Yeah let's introduce Calamitas and make everyone think she is exactly what people think she is and then u-turn all of that buildup right at the end because ????"

[half tulip]

She’s the Anakin of calamity mod
(I don’t fully know her lore just the manipulation part)

[long bloom]

wait
how would the retiering affect silence before the storms

bruh

[fierce pagoda]

yeah she was major manipulated and groomed from a young age to game end all of Ilmeris and more

[fiery meadow]

You know you can like
Keep building on a character, right?

[split mortar]

Wow free doler

[half tulip]

it’s just an OST what would it do

[tropic oak]

holy crap. 50 dollar gift.

[gloomy yacht]

50 whole dollars

[split mortar]

Issue is i dint think scal wants to be seen as the legend

[limpid saddle]

She is a representation of Calamitas during the Crusades like I said, she is someone trapped to wear the visage of a revilled legend with all of her most traumatizing memories & no-one to comfort her, she is the embodiment of everything that could've gone wrong with Calamitas if she didn't turn back from the path of violence, if she didn't think twice, because Calamitas Clone has no-one, no brothers to lull her to sleep, not even their solemn spirits to console her, no Permafrost to guide her, she is utterly alone & with a fractured mind she cannot do anything about it but wreak more havoc & build her false idols (the constructs) to remind her of something she never had

[long bloom]

just an ost

[half tulip]

sometimes i wonder why i even come here lol what is Ilmeris

[spare pier]

Not when the "building" is exactly what SHE IS NOT

Calamitas is not a ruthless, cold monster who boils a sea for fun

[wheat walrus]

basically, calamitas' twist is that she isn't as much of a ruthless demon of disaster as she once was and as she is described to be by others

[fierce pagoda]

the sunken sea used to be a huge kingdom called Ilmeris, but Scal destroyed all of it and it turned into the desert

only a msall part is left which is called the sunken sea

[split mortar]

Pluh

[limpid saddle]

Calamitas Clone is brilliant & an excellent use of the 'clone' archetype of character, she is brilliant & im very sad we have to beat her to death but I know she isnt being turned into an npc ever

[half tulip]

right i didn’t know it was called Ilmeris once
just knew she did something to the sea

[gloomy yacht]

Sea kingdom with sea horse guy king
Calamitas burns the sea and it becomes desert (the rest of the kingdom sinks underground)

[wheat walrus]

the very reason we fight her is because she wants to stop us from doing terrible things, as she thinks we're a second yharim deal due to all the stuff we doing left and right

[dusk laurel]

nothing sinks

[snow mountain]

it would be easier to take calclone seriously if she had unique AI

[long bloom]

unique ai gif

[dusk laurel]

they just hit the urban, upper areas

[snow mountain]

at the mo she is literally slop with flavour text

[half tulip]

ah yes.. we have taken down numerous threats to the world including mech bosses, eoc, slime god and more and we’re the bad guy to her
is she just flawed in her understanding of the player or

[fierce pagoda]

one thing i keep forgetting, was there a small desert pre Ilmeris evaporation, or was there NO desert at all prior to the evaporation

[long bloom]

we dunno

hey rebecca

[spare pier]

Ok

[dusk laurel]

yes

[limpid saddle]

Not alot of them were really threats to world order

[dusk laurel]

the former

[half tulip]

I know but still heavy threats

[spare pier]

Now let that person become stronger than everyone on the planet

[dusk laurel]

the old desert was basically just the surface and some of the underground

[snow mountain]

also i think cal clone's relevance could be replaced by dialogue and environmental storytelling

[dusk laurel]

but it wasnt as large

[limpid saddle]

The point is hse only sees the violence we've commited, & fears it

[gloomy yacht]

I didn't express myself correctly, just said "sink" because "sunken sea", didn't the sand also cover the upper part of the sea?

[snow mountain]

not everything needs to be a boss

[half tulip]

Which is a character flaw in her

Right

[fiery meadow]

The players lore is up to you!
Which is why you WILL become Yharim 2 no matter what

[dusk laurel]

i mean theres sand everywhere

[fiery meadow]

⛈️

The Yharim update was inside us all along…

[spare pier]

But it doesn't hit the same if you don't get to see properly what people think Calamitas is

[robust osprey]

like

the friend

inside us

[spare pier]

Sure, you can see all you want about the 50 places she razed to the ground

But you don't see how she did it

How she acted during it

[wheat walrus]

some of them were not really threats (slime god), and just the idea of going around and killing gods and such inspires a Yharim deal. I think one of the most well known aspects of ptsd is that if you see patterns, you get worried of them a lot and may act on them. Calamitas saw patterns in you doing Yharim things, acted on them

[fierce pagoda]

I mean you gotta look at it from Scals perspective, she knows nothing about what kind of person you are, no wonder shes gonna try and stop you after all shes been through

[half tulip]

i see

[spare pier]

Cal Clone being a Boss allows people to actually experience in the flesh what people think Calamitas is like

[wheat walrus]

we strawmanning ts 💔

[fiery meadow]

?

[snow mountain]

the boss doesn't really do that effectively

[spare pier]

Yet

[snow mountain]

its also really bloody forgettable

[long bloom]

to you

[snow mountain]

which is a shame

[half tulip]

skibidizer

[spare pier]

I'm not here raising aeguments as to why Cal Clone is secretly a hidden gem and why you should like her NOW!!

[gloomy yacht]

Of course but there's a difference between a desert and other places with sand, like the Saharan desert sand is different from sea shore sand

[light linden]

@spare pieryou.

[dusk laurel]

okay well

[wheat walrus]

no one said "you're yharim 2", just that calamitas thinks you might be that by the time you face her, it's up to you to prove her right or wrong

[dusk laurel]

imagine someone boils all of the water out of the sand

[limpid saddle]

I am

[wheat walrus]

feels a bit disingenuous to say that

[robust osprey]

GGG probably is

[fierce pagoda]

I hate that Calclone has phases where shes invulnerable, and you're forced to dodge before you can damage her again. Makes it a real pain and slog to farm her

[snow mountain]

i do hope its new position progression-wise actually conveys it's intended affect better

[dusk laurel]

thats what happened

[light linden]

ngl that reminds me

[spare pier]

I'm defending her continuous existence in the Mod as one of the most vital parts of Calamitas' narrative as a character

[long bloom]

preach

[limpid saddle]

exactly

[light linden]

kinda hope to see glass in the scorched area

[random mulch]

calclone is being moved?

[half tulip]

god this all makes me wanna do a playthrough again you know? although i generally wonder, is all of this info available INSIDE of the mod itself? in-game

during gameplay?

[gloomy yacht]

Makes sense
Most of the sea floor on the shores are sand

[long bloom]

maybe

[random mulch]

where would it go

[long bloom]

swapped with sg

[robust osprey]

pre king slime

[gloomy yacht]

Calamitas clone without brimstone magic

[dusk laurel]

its gonna swap with sg yeah

[long bloom]

maybe

[fierce pagoda]

Slime god is finally beating the fraud allegations

maybe

[half tulip]

The murder of the Slime Mount is still there to discuss…..,,,

[long bloom]

deploying images

[dusk laurel]

kills you

[limpid saddle]

calclone stuff yeah

alot of other stuff

[finite orbit]

lameeee

[limpid saddle]

ehhh

[random mulch]

devs should probably figure this whole mess out behind the scenes

[half tulip]

but does the full mod gameplay have ALL calamitas lore stated

[dusk laurel]

no

the mod is still very incomplete

especially in lore

[fierce pagoda]

The consequences of not being finished

[long bloom]

only like half the current lore is in game

[half tulip]

ohhhh

[split mortar]

Did you think calamity was finished when it didnt even have its final boss

[wheat walrus]

melon you the typa guy to think that

but in 2021

[dusk laurel]

[split mortar]

?????

[wheat walrus]

you the typa guy to think the mod in 2021 is finished

melone

[split mortar]

How what whaur huh

Did i even have discord back then

[wheat walrus]

your acc was made in 2021

melon

[fiery meadow]

@ruby heart…
I need you to shadow government the death of CalClone…….

Please 🙏

[wheat walrus]

ts pmo 🍈🔫

[fierce pagoda]

sybau

[wheat walrus]

melongun

[wheat walrus]

symgau

[magic epoch]

hidden gem..?

[wheat walrus]

shut yo melon gun ass up 🔥

holy fucking shit "melin"

MELUN

FFS

[fierce pagoda]

🥀

[wheat walrus]

wilted gun

[magic epoch]

[gloomy yacht]

Question
Why are there 2 earth elementals

[dusk laurel]

sand

[half tulip]

they’re different

in a way

[fierce pagoda]

IDK

[dusk laurel]

they are parts of the earth elemental

[half tulip]

both of them are… interesting to look at

[gloomy yacht]

Sand is earth too

[dusk laurel]

the enemy, named earth elemental, is a robot

and will be renamed eventually

[wheat walrus]

i offer the reason to be the color code of owner role prior to fabsol's end

[fierce pagoda]

Their sprites are cute

[gloomy yacht]

I know, I meant the twins

[limpid saddle]

yes they breast boobily

[dusk laurel]

we should kill you

[half tulip]

they are beautiful

[gloomy yacht]

Execution

[half tulip]

i want all of the elementals with me immediately
grinding for heart of the elements next time i play calamity mod playthrough

[gloomy yacht]

Reasonable enough given varios factors

[dusk laurel]

i cant wait for their redesigns

[limpid saddle]

Me too

[dusk laurel]

i want to look at actually interesting designs

and not

...

that

[limpid saddle]

lets call it what it is

[wheat walrus]

so you know what im talking abt

[limpid saddle]

gooner bait

[fierce pagoda]

cant waith for the heart of the elemental buff

[half tulip]

they’ll still have booba on redesign

[dusk laurel]

yep

[gloomy yacht]

If brimstone elemental is getting a resprite i would guess in a far future they'll also get their respective resprites maybe

[dusk laurel]

yeah but its not the only thing in the design

[half tulip]

ok

[limpid saddle]

I wonder if they're keeping that Cloud Elemental redesign

[half tulip]

i know

[snow mountain]

fabsol reference???

[dusk laurel]

which one

[fierce pagoda]

the result of getting rid of Fabsol

[dusk laurel]

if you mean the summon accessory then yeah

[fierce pagoda]

one of many

[gloomy yacht]

(yeah, I just thought there'd be a lore explanation as to why they're 2 and not 1 like the other elementals)

[limpid saddle]

The one where she's sleepy & her hair is one of those big cartoon clouds

[wheat walrus]

aight

[limpid saddle]

You know where she sorta hangs limply from the cloud like it's holding her up

[wheat walrus]

tldr: the reference is that the thing basically spelt out as "boobas"

[dusk laurel]

yeah this is staying

this is the accessory version btw

[limpid saddle]

cool

[dusk laurel]

not the enemy

[limpid saddle]

cool

[dusk laurel]

and this is still subject to change

[spring helm]

i never noticed that the sand elemental had jiggle physics

[limpid saddle]

how

[fierce pagoda]

cuz we never use HotE

[dusk laurel]

anahita has it and i hate it

[split mortar]

Ofcourse you notice it before me

[limpid saddle]

yup

[snow mountain]

IT STILL HAS

[spring helm]

im not gonna lie it's because i only have words in my head i dont have pictures

[finite orbit]

can we make all of the summons from HotE male

[dusk laurel]

i have no idea why thats there

[limpid saddle]

I really like Heart Of The Elements as an accessory but I always feel kinda gross about using it & a little worried about someone walking into my room

[gloomy yacht]

lmao

[spring helm]

we need an option to be able to choose male or female elementals

[limpid saddle]

With these redesigns I hopefully wont feel like that anymore

[wheat walrus]

honestly unless the standard version becomes even better, hote's sprites should just be baseline

[spring helm]

i like the valkyrie aesthetic though

[wheat walrus]

fair ig

[gloomy yacht]

Real

[wheat walrus]

but generally speaking

the hote sprites ive seen are so much better lol

[barren sonnet]

Fabsol really saw that the sand elemental was a female and went “yeah let’s make into depraved harem content”

[spring helm]

wait he designed them?

[dusk laurel]

brimmy is actually pretty now

like she isnt just a naked imp on a pile of rocks anymore

[limpid saddle]

are we gonna go back to blaming fabsol for everything we dont like now that he's been excommunicated

[spring helm]

lmao

it's like republicans with obama

[fierce pagoda]

Can't believe you couldn't criticize Fabsol for being so explicitly horny and implementing his fantasies into calamity without being silenced by the mods

[snow mountain]

give them top surgery fr

[limpid saddle]

Or clothes

[dusk laurel]

look at this

[wheat walrus]

man lowk needs to be neutered, ffs

[finite orbit]

top surgery to all elementals because i am afraid of women

[limpid saddle]

either works

[wheat walrus]

down abhorrid man

[fierce pagoda]

fr

[wheat walrus]

down illegal, even

[limpid saddle]

I swear the fabsol banishment has caused a flare in calamity

[wheat walrus]

id call him the sin of lust but that's too cool for him

[wheat walrus]

no shit

[limpid saddle]

I saw memes about it in the fucking official gungeon discord

[wheat walrus]

we finally free to shit on the guy and be right 🗣️

[spring helm]

the spear kinda looks like the Nadir

[fierce pagoda]

lmao what the hell

[snow mountain]

we need to sent him to the vet man

[limpid saddle]

& the soulsborne discord

[finite orbit]

youre kidding

[limpid saddle]

No im not

[stark basalt]

No way

It spreads

[gloomy yacht]

I can't wait for when it drops (I would wait an eternity actually)

[finite orbit]

how did this breach out to other communities

[fierce pagoda]

I used to pray for times like this

[wheat walrus]

im sorry fab we need to put you down, well be by the vet tomorrow at 3pm

[spring helm]

i would like the elementals to have more personality

[snow mountain]

just fucking euthanise him atp

[stark basalt]

The slop is contagious

[fierce pagoda]

this aint slop bro this some serious gourmet shit

[gloomy yacht]

The jungle plague

[fierce pagoda]

Fabsol dead

[stark basalt]

Also discussing Yharon’s design over there too

[fierce pagoda]

Calamity community eating good, were free from his influence

[stark basalt]

So true

[barren sonnet]

I could sense negative spirits around that man from the beginning… (and by that I mean he was just obviously creepy)

[spring helm]

what elemental does the chaos elemental originate from

[split mortar]

The sun since it controls pl

[stark basalt]

He was passive aggressive af

[spring helm]

sun elemental

Xeroc the sun elemental

[stark basalt]

I had one convo with him and instantly regretted it ages ago

[spring helm]

wtf is this

[stark basalt]

Definition of nerd emoji

[barren sonnet]

I was blessed to only have interacted with him once, and it was just about hair (mine is better than his, if anyone asks)

[stark basalt]

Golem

I think I mentioned I used the potions mod and he called me lazy af

[gloomy yacht]

Wouldn't that just be the brimstone elemental
Doesn't she, represent the fire?

[fierce pagoda]

Fabsol was just so corny in general, he wrote like he thought he was the smartest person alive

[stark basalt]

The lite version

[fierce pagoda]

like genuine smartass vibes nerd emoji supreme

[spring helm]

the sun isn't made of fire in calamity

it's primordial light

[gloomy yacht]

Ah

[fierce pagoda]

so OUR sun is made from primodrial light, but other suns are made of mana

our sun is special like that

[barren sonnet]

Berdly if he had no redeeming factors

[spring helm]

stars

[wheat walrus]

neither in real life

💔

[spring helm]

🤓

[dusk laurel]

👴

[fierce pagoda]

The sun is made of hopes and dreams

[spring helm]

[gloomy yacht]

Technically, it's made of plasma, and fire is plasma

[wheat walrus]

you more of a nerd emoji for specifying in calamity than i am for pointing out you didn't need to 💔

[barren sonnet]

Actually the sun is made out of hot

[wheat walrus]

yea im eviscerating you down to the very last conceptual coil

[split mortar]

I used to think the sun was made of space lava back like a decade ago

[gloomy yacht]

Actually the sun is just a big light bulb

[gloomy yacht]

[gloomy yacht]

I have to tell a trusted adult

[magic epoch]

heyyyy

[split mortar]

Gender change potion

[wheat walrus]

makes me realize how badly the boobs were implemented on the sprite 💔

[barren sonnet]

Evil photoshopped orbs

[stark basalt]

Pondering the orbs

[sinful adder]

No there just aren't other suns I'm pretty sure

[split mortar]

We dont know if theres other suns

[fierce pagoda]

what about the stars in the sky at night

arent those mana blobs

[split mortar]

Stars arent suns

[split mortar]

Yes

[stark basalt]

I was the Sun (Before it was Cool)

^ Reference

[fierce pagoda]

yeah thats what i meant about "other suns"

[stark basalt]

That's interesting though, did not know that the Sun is technically an anomaly

[split mortar]

Stars arent other suns

[fierce pagoda]

like the other stars you see in the sky are mana balls

[split mortar]

Yeah stars are mana balls the size of a fallen star normally

[fierce pagoda]

yeah but they are in real life, so its an easy way to explain to non-lore fiends

[split mortar]

And it then also caused confusion on lore fiends

[fierce pagoda]

Lore fiends get left to fend for themselves

[stark basalt]

Would the Moon be made of luminite then?

Lore fiends left to theorize

[split mortar]

Maybe?

Btw moonlord (or atleast solar enemies) control primordial light :3

[stark basalt]

Intriguing

[split mortar]

Since daytime eol will inflict daybreak which is a solar debuff and eol daytim uses primordial light

[fierce pagoda]

gaybreak

[split mortar]

-# and then cei confirmed it like a few minutes later

[fierce pagoda]

I don't know how much luminite and the moon has in common in cal lore

luminite comes from moonlord

but moonlord isnt connected to the moon in cal lore like that, he was just imprisoned there

[pulsar ocean]

Primordial light fanatics when the ancient dark enjoyers come in

[sinful adder]

*neo dark

Calamity is secretly reverse deltarune, Xeroc is the angel

[pulsar ocean]

Yharim is the knight

[trim peak]

What Brimmy will look like with Fabsol now gone

[pliant ruin]

there's a redesign n the works

its v cool

she has a pwetty dress

[trim peak]

Show? pls n ty

[dusk laurel]

scroll up a bit

youll see it eventually

[trim peak]

I see it. very cool!

In terms of Brimstone, I have my moments of mischief and tweaking..
But biases aside the old design just isn't it for a mod like Calamity. I'm very eager to see how this new one will be implemented

[magic epoch]

tmi

[trim peak]

Mb

[long bloom]

keep in mind these are very early wip sprites and will almost definitely be changed in some way

[dusk laurel]

okay but like

how does that change it looking cool

[long bloom]

it doesn't

i just want to establish expectations

[quartz fog]

oh wait i think i saw the first image actually

[dusk laurel]

i mean you can easily tell that the 2nd one is a wip

[trim peak]

👍

[sinful adder]

These are brimmy? Looks too human. Why are there clothes here. This is wrong

She's supposed to be made of rocks and fire, any fabric would burn

[quartz fog]

This is wrong
why

[mighty zenith]

cloud elemental wears armor

brimmy can have clothes

[long bloom]

^

[young socket]

who says its fabric

[trim peak]

With that logic Cloud Elemental's clothing would just fall through her 🗿

[long bloom]

nuh uh

cloud blocks are solid

[trim peak]

Those aren't clouds, those are... erm

[sinful adder]

What else can it be?

[trim peak]

Really dense snow that blooms in the sky

[mighty zenith]

magic??

[crystal pendant]

i think its made of pixels

[mighty zenith]

magical fire dress

[sinful adder]

I mean I guess, but magic is supposed to be glowy

[mighty zenith]

what

[sinful adder]

Maybe it can be molten metal

[mighty zenith]

😭

[long bloom]

paper maché

[mighty zenith]

its

magic

[crystal pendant]

says who? john magic?

[young socket]

fuck u mean magic is meant to be glowy

[trim peak]

Yeah I feel it's just kinda weird to nitpick at something really trivial in the long run

It's purely just to help enhance and beautify her design

[sinful adder]

I mean look at all the magic stuff, it's vaguely plasma-like and glows

[quartz fog]

wild

[young socket]

no

shifting sands is literally just fucking sand

[mighty zenith]

ok look at the sprite and tells me its not bright

[young socket]

and thats magic

[quartz fog]

magic being boiled down to "plasma glowy stuff" is so silly

[sinful adder]

Fair enough I guess

[trim peak]

There's always one

💀

[young socket]

also rare sand and anahito both have "clothing"

that are just

more of their own element

[magic epoch]

they do???

[mighty zenith]

also "looks too human" wdym every fucking elemental looks human

[long bloom]

rare sandy has the flower and mantle

idk what the fuck they're on with anahita

[sinful adder]

My issue with it is not that they have magic clothing made of their element, it is that the stuff that doesn't look like it is remotely made of the element

[young socket]

anahita has a dress

[long bloom]

no???

[magic epoch]

dont see it sorry

[long bloom]

it's a mermaid tail

[young socket]

its literally the

[long bloom]

because siren

[young socket]

not blue parts

[long bloom]

that's her body

[magic epoch]

considering her fish tail i always just. saw that as scales

[long bloom]

very clearly

[sinful adder]

It's magic flesh vaguely in the shape of a dress

[magic epoch]

or soemthiyn similar

[long bloom]

also

[sinful adder]

But it's really just her body

[magic epoch]

obviously not just scales

but similar

[sinful adder]

Anyways, like I said, no issue with magic body clothes

[long bloom]

that is skin

[dusk laurel]

i prefer the other concept art 🥀

[long bloom]

what other art

[dusk laurel]

this creature

[long bloom]

i have literally never seen that before in my entire life

it's cool tho

[trim peak]

That is some gorgeous ass art

[stark basalt]

I prefer this concept art as well

[sinful adder]

Both look great

[stark basalt]

True they do both look good

The first looks more like fish

But the second is ANIME

Which I like

[pliant ruin]

i think brimmy having clothes is a great way to actually make her design interesting rather than just being the silhouette of a woman made of fire

[long bloom]

yes

adds detail

[trim peak]

Agreed

[stark basalt]

True

[sinful adder]

I think it is good for brimmy to have clothes but I also think it would be even cooler if the clothes were really molten metal or volcanic glass in the shape of clothes

[wheat walrus]

dawg you sound like those mega ecology nerds in the mh community who will see the coolest shit ever and start questioning how does it do this and how does it look like that

im not sugarcoating this, that's the exact instinctive impression i got from this 💔

[spare pier]

Damn bro you're out for blood today

[wheat walrus]

lol

[quartz fog]

hes omniing it

[spare pier]

On another note I just realized

[wheat walrus]

you're next 🍈🔫

[spare pier]

This is LITERALLY SILVA

[quartz fog]

huh

[spare pier]

Except we also do it

[pliant ruin]

why is there...

a melon...........

next to that gun.......................

[dusk laurel]

[trim peak]

It's funny lol

[stark basalt]

Their death is their only defining personality trait

[wheat walrus]

melon gun is the new wilted rose broken heart

[pliant ruin]

dude melon gun is such a icon

hes like jesus but for calamity lore community

[stark basalt]

Y'all think Yharim went "L rip bozo" when he yeeted Silva into the Abyss?

[pliant ruin]

@split mortar ur being crucified

[wheat walrus]

lore discussion flagship

like

green rathalos

[pliant ruin]

GREEN RATHALOS

[dusk laurel]

GREEN

[wheat walrus]

purple lagiacrus

[long bloom]

has anyone tried throwing the other elementals into the abyss

[pliant ruin]

Actually that makes me think

It probably wouldn't work with them

They'd likely just be reborn elsewhere

But i wonder if, due to having an actual auric soul

Silva is more physical in a way

[spare pier]

Anahita would be a funny attempt

[long bloom]

i don't think an auric soul would matter

[pliant ruin]

throws the water elemental in the abyss
look in the abyss
water

[dusk laurel]

thats just yharim throwing her back into her house

like

😭

[pliant ruin]

I mean, i think it would, because its, you know, more of a soul

Given Silva has an auric soul it does mean elementals have souls which is

interesting to think about

But they don't seem very

[long bloom]

>:(

[pliant ruin]

corporeal? Idk how to describe it, like

They have physical forms but if you kill them i'd think they're just reborn elsewhere

While maybe due to having an Auric soul, Silva is more "Physical" or more of an single individual?

Idk, just spitballing

[dusk laurel]

the thing is is that anahita literally used to reside in the abyss, youd think theyd throw her out somewhere else atleast

[pliant ruin]

go to space

-the devil, from the bible

[foggy oriole]

What is the most impressive/strongest thing done in cal lore
Afaik its calamitas incerating an ocean but is there something else?

[spare pier]

Probably still that

[long bloom]

what about fovos killing like 700 dragons

[foggy oriole]

Is there a lore reason for why auric bars are referred to having boundless power or is that just flavour text thats due to change?

[foggy oriole]

Dragons might just be weak

[long bloom]

the average auric dragon is about as strong as an eidolon wyrm

so really strong

[foggy oriole]

And how strong are those exactly?

[long bloom]

about the strength of an eidolon wyrm

[foggy oriole]

:[

What feats do the wyrms have

Anything comparable to calamitas?

[long bloom]

having 300,000 hp

[foggy oriole]

Thats not a feat

[long bloom]

yuh huh

[foggy oriole]

Nuh uh

Will the verse ever exceed whats regarded as planetary in powerscaling terms?
I cant remember where i heard it from but thats apparently meant to be the ballpark for cal

[long bloom]

no

the most powerful thing is like barely planetary

[foggy oriole]

For items desc, characters n what not it feels like its meant to go higher but isnt?
IE yharim waging war on gods should be more impressive but if thats the case, the implication of it kinda falls off.
Its likely im missing something.

[pastel bay]

Think about old human stories about how people would declare themselves emperor of the universe and have like. 4 cities under their rule

Words hold power but words alone don't make someone a god

[spare pier]

^

[long bloom]

mostly hyperbole

[spare pier]

Also I think committing a genocide on the most powerful people on the planet is impressive regardless of scale

[foggy oriole]

Never even thought of it like thay but that makes a lot of sense

[brittle vale]

i do think to a degree this is just a consequence of terraria being set on one planet

like even if there are calamity characters capable of doing planetary levels of destruction its just a thing that you cant naturally show in a setting that is one single world

[foggy oriole]

True giving the fact its someone lower down fighting the strongest

[young socket]

but hes not lower down

he brought himself up to be stronger than them

[sinful adder]

You are assuming that a "god" is inherently extremely powerful

[foggy oriole]

Stuff like that for game scaling usually is put in lore n not shown IE doomslayer being scales as high as he js via statements

[foggy oriole]

Cant blame me given that the term "god" is often associated with powerful beings

[pastel bay]

(apart from TaG proving he is that strong)

[brittle vale]

be elder scrolls divine
have actually little to no power because the creation of the world got rid of it all

[magic epoch]

calamity has an extremely specific definition of "god" so it actually means something this time

[young socket]

ok but powerful doesnt mean blow up the planet

[foggy oriole]

Its specific things right? ie slime god

[young socket]

[sinful adder]

A god in calamity is a person that did a magic ritual on an auric soul to fuse it to theirs and gain power

[foggy oriole]

Common thought when you hear a character being a god, first thing to mind is capable of strong feats
Considering every time ive heard "god" mentioned, its been that way.

[sinful adder]

They're strong, but only relative to normal people

[foggy oriole]

Oh i thought it was like being a god of something specific

[pastel bay]

The player is not what one would consider "normal people"

[sinful adder]

This process makes them a god of something specific, but it's not the definition

[foggy oriole]

I have a counter point to that but ur better off learning wingdings instead of the stroke j was about to type cause i can not form it into a sentence rn

[manic coral]

i mean relative to like, the vast majority of things in the world

yeah even the weakest gods are really strong

i mean in like irl mythology

"god" doesn't really indicate any level of power at all

and rnage from "omnipotent being" to "can literally just be killed by John Mcslightlystrongerthanaveragehuman".

[long bloom]

wait is xeroc actually omnipotent

or even omniscient

[manic coral]

no???

calamity fans can't read

[manic coral]

.

[long bloom]

i didn't know you were still talking about real life

[light linden]

I mean we know next to nothing about her

we know her place of residence, her abilities, and that some guy with an axe worshipped her

[dusk laurel]

i think youre missing some key details

[long bloom]

such as

[dusk laurel]

nature elemental, goddess of life, she was the reason why azafure is way more habitable than the rest of hell, etc.

[light linden]

I counted the first two under her abilities

[dusk laurel]

those are not

abilities

[light linden]

also like

[dusk laurel]

she has connections to the vernal pass and the dryads

[light linden]

we've only ever heard about her from non worshippers

and not from her

[dusk laurel]

thats because shes dead

[light linden]

"dead"

[dusk laurel]

cant exactly talk to a corpse

[dusk laurel]

this is like yharon being dead

[light linden]

also

[dusk laurel]

shes not conscious

[light linden]

idt this is stated anywhere in game

[dusk laurel]

ingame is missing a ton of lore

[long bloom]

wait where is the third one from

[light linden]

wait no it is mentioned in one line that makes sense only with out of game lore

[dusk laurel]

the abyss one?

[young socket]

perrenial -> plantera -> vernal pass civ