yes juvenile
#lore-discussion
long bloom
young socket
no
long bloom
source
young socket
they havent been called that since forever ago
hoary cape
The primordial wyrm is not the same as the eidolon wyrms anymore
long bloom
why are yall so pedantic
long bloom
it does not matter
young socket
because misconceptions breeds misconceptions
tropic oak
why are yall so pedantic
wow i wonder
its almost like this channel is the most accurate and reliable source of information
paper spindle
So did ml get nerfed by the seal by the time he fights us or what?
tropic oak
youll ever come across
hoary cape
He got weakened in his fight with the dragons
long bloom
So did ml get nerfed by the seal by the time he fights us or what?
the dragons tore him the fuck in half
tropic oak
haha yes the dragons
long bloom
whar
tropic oak
what?
hoary cape
K
tropic oak
i was agreeing
long bloom
bruh
hoary cape
Laughing is a federal crime
hoary cape
Tone indicators are your friends
paper spindle
How did calamitas absorb most of brimstone elemental's power
Is that just like a thing she can do?
And if so
long bloom
she practiced magic before
paper spindle
Why hasn't she absorbed more other powerful elementals
long bloom
also how do you know that
tropic oak
its in the doc
tropic oak
ur a plaugebringer u dont even have access to the lore channels do u
long bloom
i do
tropic oak
da fuck
paper spindle
I feel like at this point she should've tried absorbing someone like anahita
long bloom
wait channels plural
paper spindle
Or EoL
paper spindle
Is EoL an elemental?
long bloom
eol is just there
limpid saddle
also it seems like it was very specifically a capacity for brimstone
It isn't just 'Calamitas can eat elementals'
Presumably something to do with her soul & azafurian blood
paper spindle
Hmm
limpid saddle
Given C.C could also do it, though with a far weaker capacity
paper spindle
Given C.C could also do it, though with a far weaker capacity
Makes sense
Okay
So what IS EoL?
long bloom
she's eol
limpid saddle
shes an empress
paper spindle
An overpowered butterfly?
limpid saddle
of light
long bloom
(there's no answer)
limpid saddle
Yeah she's parasitic & very powerful
grovels at the feet of whoever holds the domain of primordial light, but doesnt seem to actually serve them
paper spindle
grovels at the feet of whoever holds the domain of primordial light, but doesnt ...
Hmm who wields it right now?
limpid saddle
Hmm who wields it right now?
Xeroc
snow mountain
xergock
limpid saddle
god of primordial light
paper spindle
X man
tropic oak
dwayne xeroc johnson
paper spindle
dwayne xeroc johnson
✍️🔥🔥🔥
Next question
Will we ever encounter an uninfected ( possibly adult ) Astrum Deus?
magic epoch
in ur dreams!!!!
paper spindle
Oof
paper spindle
Well I guess that makes sense
They have no business with us anyway
Unless an abnormally large dying star were to form at our very location
Wait a minute
Xeroc is the god of light right?
long bloom
yeag
paper spindle
What if?
limpid saddle
yeah
long bloom
the sun isn't a star
limpid saddle
wait
paper spindle
the sun isn't a star
But he's got magic right?
long bloom
xeroc only controls the sun
limpid saddle
Let him cook
paper spindle
What if when he dies his magic cataclysms or something
And calls the attention of one of them
Because stars are made of mana right?
long bloom
ye
long bloom
also yes
paper spindle
Yeah but I'm not talking about the sun
I'm talking about xeroc himself
I have a feeling this theory is implausible in some way I don't understand yet
Alright I'm back with my next question
If moonlord is as you guys say just a powerful space alien then are there more of him?
dusk laurel
we dont know
paper spindle
That's unfortunate
I was hoping to fight some moon legs
Next question
What essence is the Hallow made out of if the evil biomes are bad gods
dusk laurel
benevolent gods
paper spindle
Damn yharim really killing everyone
Next question
Since the eclipse is just a regular celestial event then what are the other two (pumpkin and frost moon) in the calamity lore?
tall delta
not canon
paper spindle
And how does killing DoG buff them?
tall delta
yeah
dusk laurel
its being changed
paper spindle
Seems like alot of stuff around DoG is
dusk laurel
it may be replaced, it may be just murdered, who knows
long bloom
That's underwhelming
ooa and deerclops are also not canon
paper spindle
ooa and deerclops are also not canon
I figured
long bloom
all crossover content and obvious references are
long bloom
also yeah endothermic energy and nightmare fuel will be replaced and rethemed
to distortion materials
dusk laurel
tax collector isn't canon?????
no he is
paper spindle
Tax collector is crossover content?
magic epoch
(i was making a joke out of the "obvious reference" bit)
magic epoch
Tax collector is crossover content?
(no)
magic epoch
xeroc and silva are two that come to mind
long bloom
the remaining ones are hiding
paper spindle
Are we ever gonna get to them?
long bloom
no
magic epoch
maybe xeroc
long bloom
except xeroc but we won't kill them
magic epoch
except xeroc but we won't kill them
yea
paper spindle
Wait why?
long bloom
the unmatched power of the sun
magic epoch
i think it's kinda like a draedon-esque situation
where it's less a fight and more a test
because i believe xeroc could easily fucking vaporize you
long bloom
the only use for mirror blade
paper spindle
Realistically though the heat would melt me
paper spindle
the only use for mirror blade
Valid
long bloom
Realistically though the heat would melt me
obsidian skin potion 
magic epoch
obsidian skin potion <:clueless:1064298508653432933>
if obsidian skin can't protect from the burn of the crags lava, i don't think it'll protect from that
paper spindle
if obsidian skin can't protect from the burn of the crags lava, i don't think it...
Oh yeah
long bloom
Google joke
paper spindle
Next question
Is anahita herself without leviathan on par with brimstone elemental?
And where does brimstone elemental at full power scale against anahita with leviathan
Is this even a lore question?
Where's the power scaling channel?
long bloom
this is the power scaling channel
paper spindle
this *is* the power scaling channel
Valid
robust osprey
Is anahita herself without leviathan on par with brimstone elemental?
uuh probably
I believe every elemental is like close to power
except cloud and sand fragmented into a calamillion pieces iirc
and they are weaker
and well, silva is a goddess
void zealot
Homelander vs xeroc
long bloom
xeroc
robust osprey
uuh
what's like
homelander's biggest feat
I genuinely don't know shit about him
gaunt sluice
I was hoping to fight some moon legs
Full power Fovos is very close to Xeroc level
Afaik
robust osprey
golem is a recreation of a god
gaunt sluice
And as we've all seen, most of the time golem is incompetent
Oh
Well close enough
robust osprey
Is Xeroc the lizhardian deity?
also uuh idk
it's a possibility I think?? not really sure
gaunt sluice
Idk how old the Lizhards are
robust osprey
a lot probably
gaunt sluice
'How old are you'
'A lot'
long bloom
many olds
gaunt sluice
Cause if they existed before Xeroc then he probably wouldn't be their god?
hoary cape
golem is clearly their god
long bloom
golem is an idol of the god
long bloom
no way
magic epoch
lihzahrdian idol!!!
hoary cape
i like how they worship the sun despite never seeing it
because they only are in their temple
magic epoch
they probably have
hoary cape
i guess the witch doctor sees it
gaunt sluice
i like how they worship the sun despite never seeing it
You could make a religion out of this
magic epoch
in the vanilla credits theres lihzahrds on the surface aren't there
bc of the witch doctor scene
hoary cape
i mean the witch doctor is one so i guess it works
magic epoch
yeah but witch doctor clearly isn't part of the golem worshipping religion
so he doesn't count
but like doesn't the dryad bring the witch doctor to a group of lihzahrds on the surface
magic epoch
missing the lore dumps...
like the skeleton merchant finding the slap hand in a pile of bones...
crazy lore
pliant ruin
wow what a Terraria this has been !
gaunt sluice
as it turns out the true Calamity was the friends we made along the way
pulsar ocean
I'm smart
chrome iris
Who is yharim, and what are his motives?
strong notch
Who is yharim, and what are his motives?
In short: The main antagonist
chrome iris
His motives are kill all the gods
So he wouldn't be evil?
chrome iris
And anyone who serves them
Does the protagonist serve anyone?
hoary cape
No you see not all the gods are evil
And he burns anyone who associates with them at the stake
strong notch
gods are people that consumed auric soul (soul of dragon)
because of people trying to become gods dragons went extinct (except for Yharon)
hoary cape
Does the protagonist serve anyone?
That's up to you
chrome iris
So yharim is right?
hoary cape
No
limpid saddle
somebody bring out the image
hoary cape
A few of the gods servants did try and have him killed and yharon may or may not have fed him false info which lead to him going yah they all need to die
spare pier
Weekly Lore Discussion conversation of explaining to people why Yharim is not actually right
hoary cape
Like if he was only killing evil gods sure
But no he didn't care
You're a god? Then you die
spare pier
Yharim killing the God of Treats who helps orphans and stops deforestation because they killed the Dragon of Sour Candy that hunted children at night
young socket
Yharim killing the God of Treats who helps orphans and stops deforestation becau...
its justified trust me
chrome iris
He's not completely wrong, but he's not right.
young socket
yharim himself said so
hoary cape
Well you see the dragon of sour candy was a dear friend of yharon's he had to get revenge somehow /j
chrome iris
He's not completely wrong, but he's not right.
That's what I understood
hoary cape
He isn't right at all
He killed innocent people as well just because they associated with God's
chrome iris
He isn't right at all
But not completely wrong
who is scal in lore
Supreme witch calamitas*
My corrector corrected it to scal, sorry
spare pier
He is as right as people who say "I think we should kill all killers" and then proceeds to also kill their families and friends too and also people with ASPD because yeah
chrome iris
That's what we call her
A
strong notch
who is scal in lore
Brimstone Witch
As a child recruited by Yharim and used as living weapon
chrome iris
He is as right as people who say "I think we should kill all killers" and then p...
in fact, the people who serve the assassins is the most accurate thing to say
spare pier
No
chrome iris
As a child recruited by Yharim and used as living weapon
Ohh
chrome iris
in fact, the people who serve the assassins is the most accurate thing to say
The worshippers of evil gods, in a way, support their unholy attitudes.
spare pier
But he's going to die too because Yharim said so
hoary cape
Yharim when he sees a baby who doesn't have a choice about being born there: Burn them
young socket
He is as right as people who say "I think we should kill all killers" and then p...
all killers would also include people who killed in self defense, or just killed someone who was flat out awful
hoary cape
Yep
Also yharim loves bees so clearly he is a good guy right??? Also no slavery. He doesn't like that
untold oracle
But not completely wrong
Wdym not completely
spare pier
The thousands of people Providence captured and turned into slaves? Yeah they're bad too kill them all
gaunt sluice
all killers would also include people who killed in self defense, or just killed...
I mean he just killed everybody so I think that's a bit of a moot point
hoary cape
Just because he killed some gods who were evil doesn't nullify all the others he killed that weren't or the innocent families that just lived in cities that had those gods as their religions
young socket
I mean he just killed everybody so I think that's a bit of a moot point
yes thats the point
spare pier
His ideology was never "kill all evil Gods"
chrome iris
The baby born in Ilmeris doesn't have shit to do with the Gods
Ok, here yharim was psychopath
untold oracle
We must kill half of the world because there’s approximately 20 gods most people consider evil
young socket
im clarifying that killers arent JUST "extremely bad murderers"
spare pier
It has always been "butcher them all and everyone associated with them"
chrome iris
It has always been "butcher them all and everyone associated with them"
"kill the evil at its roots"
hoary cape
In his mind all gods took their auric souls by force and because of that they needed to die
He is pro dragon
Took it to the extreme
untold oracle
Strongest yhapaganda coper vs weakest silva and xeroc truther
hoary cape
Yharon didn't help the situation
When did yharon even die originally. Did fovos kill him or die he die after?
young socket
Strongest yhapaganda coper vs weakest silva and xeroc truther
photosynthesis...
spare pier
When did yharon even die originally. Did fovos kill him or die he die after?
Actual answer: he probably died a few times during the deific era but obviously no one ever managed to claim his Auric Soul
untold oracle
I think that yharon was killed multiple times throughout the centuries until finally some person realised how to get the egg
untold oracle
Actual answer: he probably died a few times during the deific era but obviously ...
This yea
spare pier
But there's going to be an answer of who killed him the last time
chrome iris
Is there any Boss that we kill in the game that is good in the Lore?
Or everyone is evil
hoary cape
I mean some of them are just beasts
strong notch
Is there any Boss that we kill in the game that is good in the Lore?
Queen Bee (technically)
hoary cape
Both the scourges aren't evil they are just beasts who you stumble upon
chrome iris
Queen Bee (technically)
I meant about the gods
hoary cape
Well provi is definitely evil
untold oracle
AS especially is just a chill guy
hoary cape
Slime god i am not sure
untold oracle
Slime god is neutral i think
hoary cape
Slime god is probably just mad you kill it's friends
untold oracle
Femboy so they have to be a good guy
hoary cape
The slimes
chrome iris
Well provi is definitely evil
Is that woman who appears with a dragon in the sea also evil?
strong notch
Is that woman who appears with a dragon in the sea also evil?
Anahita? yeah
And not Provi
Provi is that giant burning pile of rocks resembling moth
pliant ruin
Strongest yhapaganda coper vs weakest silva and xeroc truther
MY KING AND QUEEN AMEN SLAY 🙏
untold oracle
Answer my messages
spare pier
Fucked up Cheese
limpid saddle
The thousands of people Providence captured and turned into slaves? Yeah they're...
Oh we're adding that he kills other peoples slaves now?
spare pier
Probably it's Providence
pliant ruin
yharim is john "genocide is bad guys.... except when i do it then its cool and awesome im the good guy btw"
spare pier
I think everyone would kill anyone affiliated with Providence given the chance
In any case I just couldn't think of a better example
hoary cape
I would kill provi if I could ever get to that point 😂
limpid saddle
is it like a brainwashed slave situation or are they as equally unwilling & people just hate them anyway
hoary cape
Yharim waged war on illmeris for no reason. Poor fish people
limpid saddle
Yharim waged war on illmeris for no reason. Poor fish people
he waged war on illmeris for two reasons
limpid saddle
& their names are Ontonilou & the other one i forgot
dusk laurel
tyrian
limpid saddle
yeah i never remember his name
dusk laurel
Are they good 🤔
yes
limpid saddle
this is a metaphor for how the god's legacies, good or evil are lost to time in Yharim's sweeping devastation of everything
spare pier
Are they good 🤔
You'll get to know tomorrow
young socket
What's tomorrow
sso
hoary cape
Damn
dusk laurel
sso is tomorrow see
hoary cape
Didn't realize it was already announced
limpid saddle
yea i *sea*
dusk laurel
limpid saddle
You'll get to know tomorrow
ooh cool spoiler drop
hoary cape
I am adding electrons to vanilla for that pun tsuki
dusk laurel
im giving them to kiri
dusk laurel
i've been lied to
keep up with the times
limpid saddle
mighty zenith
sorry tomorrow is reserved for deltarune
hoary cape
What if I put you in Deltarune
pliant ruin
sorry tomorrow is reserved for deltarune
Ultrakil june 8th
hoary cape
I am injecting your consciousness into the game
mighty zenith
im gonna scare the shit out of some random guy
untold oracle
Ultrakil june 8th
hoary cape
im gonna scare the shit out of some random guy
If you die in the game you die in real life
young socket
im gonna scare the shit out of some random guy
do a gaster and tell the truth of reality to someone
hoary cape
It's the tradeoff for that power
mighty zenith
If you die in the game you die in real life
well
actually
my terrarian is you
so i'll just respawn
😎
hoary cape
Deltarune though
mighty zenith
dont care
hoary cape
It's not terraria
hoary cape
You respawn in the game, but you die irl
young socket
Deltarune though
save points dumbass
hoary cape
Still dead irl
mighty zenith
who cares about irl im in fucking DELTARUNE!!!!!!!!!
hoary cape
It's like that one VR headset that's got like electrical shock things that kill you when you die in the game
split mortar
Honestly always saw prime moonlord as close to the limit of what the ingame terrarian could get a win on and it would be a uphill battle
hoary cape
Prime moon lord when people say that only prime moon lord is fovos: 😭
pulsar ocean
Why did moonlord need a 2nd fake name
split mortar
To evade taxes
hoary cape
He didn't
That's just the name fovos was given because fovos lived on the moon due to being trapped there, so obviously it is the Lord of the moon
pulsar ocean
Why Lord of the moon if he's imprisoned there
split mortar
No one else there to claim ownership
Wonder how much the property tax is
pulsar ocean
How much for rent on the moon
limpid saddle
How much for rent on the moon
given that fovos loves to murder people for no reason he would obviously kill them with rates so
3000 a month a 12 square inch cube
tidal tulip
Even fovos hates the tax collector
worn kayak
omg calamity lore is so good
limpid saddle
do we need to have 17 people at once explain to you why Yharim is an antagonistic force in the world or do you get that part already
snow mountain
vivec
worn kayak
omg calamity lore is so good
I'll wait for the continue and the Yharim boss fight
snow mountain
give it 300 fargo years
worn kayak
give it 300 fargo years
😭
limpid saddle
it's a realistic release date
worn kayak
do we need to have 17 people at once explain to you why Yharim is an antagonisti...
i already checked most of a doc in pined messeges
snow mountain
it's a realistic release date
also thats if the entire mod doesn't fracture in on itself
limpid saddle
why would that happen?
snow mountain
why would that happen? <:clueless:1064298508653432933>
i wonder
limpid saddle
december 2022
spare pier
😐
worn kayak
huh
spare pier
You guys make my day
snow mountain
🫡
limpid saddle
🫡
spare pier
Somehow every time I look into this chat my joy is sucked right out of my body
snow mountain
🥰 so nice of you to dispense your joy to others , truly wonderous things are happening in this very calamity mod!!
limpid saddle
Somehow every time I look into this chat my joy is sucked right out of my body
im sorry rebecca 🥀
snow mountain
anyway what is our collective opinion on merkabah mysticism, does it beat 12th-14th century esoteric writings?
hoary cape
Poor reb
snow mountain
anyway what is our collective opinion on merkabah mysticism, does it beat 12th-1...
what is draedon's opinion on this matter so dire?
surely a machine of his learnedness must have a word to spare on such an interesting matter , a bright mind indeed
cosmic zenith
What exactly could I share that would get you all carrying out productive conversations....?
Note that the bigger the reveal, the more unlikely I am to share it
And I will be watching you eagerly to gauge how you've rewarded my good will
fierce pagoda
^John Frieren
spring helm
What exactly could I share that would get you all carrying out productive conver...
where is xeroc
chrome iris
What is the strongest class in the lore?
spring helm
Note that the bigger the reveal, the more unlikely I am to share it
And I will b...
where is xeroc
spring helm
What is the strongest class in the lore?
like, which class has the strongest weapon?
chrome iris
like, which class has the strongest weapon?
Like, the strongest in the lore
spring helm
Like, the strongest in the lore
by what metric
chrome iris
For me it's a mage
chrome iris
by what metric
Power
spring helm
ok but like how
chrome iris
Raw power
spare pier
Everything in Cal is magical to some extent so the argument for it being more versatile falls flat
Power is entirely independent of Class so
spring helm
i'd put the helium flash up there i guess
as far as i know it's canon and it literally shoots balls of fusion explosions
cosmic zenith
where is xeroc
Nope
cosmic zenith
What is the strongest class in the lore?
Boring
spring helm
how come calclone needs a life support machine
wooden shadow
What exactly could I share that would get you all carrying out productive conver...
Ilmerian cuisine?
cosmic zenith
how come calclone needs a life support machine
More interesting to speculate than to know
cosmic zenith
Ilmerian cuisine?
The topic would die out fairly quickly due to how niche it is
spring helm
fair enough
fierce pagoda
Who built the dungeon? or was that just the dragon cult
cosmic zenith
Dragon Cult
plucky juniper
how come calclone needs a life support machine
"Though the clone was a technical success, it showed no signs of being able to wield Calamitas' signature magic.
...security reports indicated that Calamitas herself broke into the laboratory that the clone was stored in and released it."
-Draedon, The Brimstone Witch
wooden shadow
How big is the Dragon Cult?
spring helm
> "Though the clone was a technical success, it showed no signs of being able to...
???
how does this explain why she needs life support
cosmic zenith
How big is the Dragon Cult?
Wouldn't result in a lengthy discussion
But I will say, it's not about how big it is, but how ancient it is... :)
spring helm
i think it would be interesting if it predated the dragons becoming auric
i'd think that the dragons already had a form of society before receiving their domains
unless it was the act of becoming auric that granted them sapience
wooden shadow
Wouldn't result in a lengthy discussion
But I will say, it's not about how big i...
👀
spring helm
considering how powerful non-auric dragons are, if they did have a form of society (or even multiple since they are their own individuals after all) i think it would be only natural that some of the weaker races would worship them, like how there are those who deify Astrum Deus
plucky juniper
https://tenor.com/view/frieren-sip-frieren-sipping-tea-book-gif-1603575268151458...
After seeing this, now that I think about it, what are the other known races in callore?
cosmic zenith
You can already answer that yourself, as all established races are public
There are, however, factions that haven't been explored
I'd suggest taking a close look at the Hadean Wilds: Part 1 video, whenever that comes out
plucky juniper
o
cosmic zenith
The profile I was using previously also had hints
plucky juniper
Zesca
cosmic zenith
Zesca, Priestess of Hinokor
"Chained to the earth is the False Idol, who forsook her heraldry; curse thee! Exalted be Hinokor, the heartbeat of all flames!"
plucky juniper
Fascinating. Fire worshipers
wooden shadow
Zesca, Priestess of Hinokor
I knew the name was important
cosmic zenith
All names I use (besides meme ones like this one) are meaningful on some capacity
I tend to foreshadow lore in them
wooden shadow
Nice
gaunt sluice
Clearly this current name is the most real of them all
Dungins and dagins in profile ??2?22??2???2??
hoary cape
Yes
sharp thunder
Wouldn't result in a lengthy discussion
But I will say, it's not about how big i...
don’t worry, it happens to a lot of cults
it’s about what you do with it
magic epoch
Wouldn't result in a lengthy discussion
But I will say, it's not about how big i...
WELCOME BACK ANCIENT DOOMSAYER
limpid saddle
WELCOME BACK ANCIENT DOOMSAYER
HE WAS NEVER GONE 🗣️ 🗣️ 🗣️
cunning flare
Why did Draedon give Ares a humanoid face?
random mulch
ares mentioned
snow mountain
still the best looking sprite ever made for cal
random mulch
real tbh
eager bluff
the style change brtween the arms and body is quite jarring
limpid saddle
imagine how much more powerful he would be if he had hands & legs
snow mountain
the style change brtween the arms and body is quite jarring
there isn't a style change its just odd cus its rotated
eager bluff
no there is a style change
snow mountain
clarify
eager bluff
the arms were iirc not made by the same person who made the body and looking at the highlights and shadows there is a major difference between arms and body
limpid saddle
There are some subtle tells like the arms being generally a bit brighter & having a constant flow of colour from the exo prisms compared to the chests pulsing
random mulch
pulsar ocean
Why didn't ares get legs
snow mountain
does thanatos have any animations at all?
random mulch
snow mountain
oh crumbs i forgot
tbh i like thanatos the least
most unremarkable/boring tbh
the design is alright but it doesn't do anything with the worm
tbf its cal, why should i expect anything else?
pliant ruin
my least favorites are probably apollo and artemis, i don't care much about them
ares is objectively the most well designed i think
real silo
I like twinzos because I'm a sucker for sci fi fighter jets
I also like thanatos because he has thrusters
snow mountain
I like twinzos because I'm a sucker for sci fi fighter jets
so true
pliant ruin
tbf its cal, why should i expect anything else?
Also it's pretty lame to keep doing this sort of comment that isn't really helpful to anyone and is just kind of mean spirited over and over again, Reb already seemed pretty upset over the same sort of behavior earlier and it dosen't really come off as constructive critique or sharing alternative takes on things, it's just kind of mean
real silo
In conclusion I just really like thrusters in designs
pliant ruin
i just don't really care much about eye creatures
snow mountain
Also it's pretty lame to keep doing this sort of comment that isn't really helpf...
fair but astrum deus exists
real silo
I put em everywhere in my own designs
pliant ruin
astrum deus manta ray.........
snow mountain
astrum deus manta ray.........
i wish they'd gut deus and make it a non worm boss, or at least one that does something new with the segmented body plan
pliant ruin
deus is i think the one cal worm boss that should be de-wormed in my personal opinion i think
it dosen't have much of a reason to be a worm and cal already has 2 other spacey cosmic themed worms
snow mountain
it dosen't have much of a reason to be a worm and cal already has 2 other spacey...
oh yeah storm weaver too
fuck storm weaver
bloat boss
mighty zenith
deus is a boss i think should be redesigned and dewormified
real silo
Lil boye
random mulch
honestly i think thanatos' design makes sense
pliant ruin
i abstain from saying that given his fight is yet to be updated and , again, we know nothing about the guy
i think thanatos's design does a good job at being what it is
which is just
random mulch
it's meant to be an upgrade to the destroyer, of course it would look at least a bit like it
snow mountain
we know like nothing about the guy
nothingburger in both fight, lore, and even design
pliant ruin
i mean again, i reckon all of those are being updated, so i'm abstaining from commenting on its current state
not much of its lore was revealed, and it still has a fairly old fight and sprite
as it stands its pretty boring rn though
but signus also has a dogshit fight and he's one of the most potentially interesting bosses i think
snow mountain
all mods ive worked on have had an open development process cus kitchen sink
snow mountain
but signus also has a dogshit fight and he's one of the most potentially interes...
i don't think we are ever going to see the signus resprite complete atp
mighty zenith
not with that attitude
pliant ruin
It seemd pretty complete last time i saw it, animations had started already, i imagine they just aren't doing work on it rn because, well, it's not coming next update
mighty zenith
its true
snow mountain
It seemd pretty complete last time i saw it, animations had started already, i i...
fair, though i feel as if the complexity of its animations may result in it taking longer
pliant ruin
seems to be sort of in the same boat as old duke in that work on it was done for a while as something for fun or whatever but then temporarily halted cuz its not a priority
real silo
Isn't it just cloth
snow mountain
pil would probably get the gist better than i do
suprised he hasn't been poached by cal to be a sheet slave
limpid saddle
Maybe Signus won't take as long since that neutral standing animation & the sword summoning one are finished
dusk laurel
depends when they decide to rework signus
snow mountain
Maybe Signus won't take as long since that neutral standing animation & the swor...
that is like one of many most likely
pliant ruin
yeah i doubt having 2 animations means its anywhere near being finished
specially for a boss
still more progress on it than yharon though 😭
snow mountain
yeah i doubt having 2 animations means its anywhere near being finished
especially considering the quality of said anims
pliant ruin
the dragon mies
limpid saddle
Well I meant in that maybe it might work like parts of the body are animated seperately
im just kind of being hopeful & stupid
snow mountain
the dragon mies
dia will deliver trust, the patreon money will surely deliver
dusk laurel
the dragon mines were reset on the great day
pliant ruin
old duke will inherit them
limpid saddle
flame dragon is old duke's even more racist grandfather who owned a legion of child slaves that mined jewels for him
snow mountain
dia will deliver trust, the patreon money will surely deliver
i mean from what the finished one looks like it does seem to actually deliver, dia will bring us salvation
spare pier
we know like nothing about the guy
Saying this when he's by far the most well explored of the Distortion Trio so far is funny to me
untold oracle
Eho is dia
snow mountain
Eho is dia
‼️
pliant ruin
Saying this when he's by far the most well explored of the Distortion Trio so fa...
i'd say signus is more tbh
untold oracle
I dont know i am in calmain once every millenia
snow mountain
Saying this when he's by far the most well explored of the Distortion Trio so fa...
to you lore writers perhaps, but not the rest of us
spare pier
No like, ingame he is objectively the one with the most stuff right now
pliant ruin
but even then all of the distortion trio is pretty unexplored atm so i'd say he's still got not much
spare pier
Void and Signus have barely anything ingame right now
pliant ruin
when it comes to ingame stuff okay yeah fair
snow mountain
storm weeaver is kill, we must kill it
pliant ruin
when u take into account discussions that have been had here tho id say signus has more
spare pier
Triangle Moment
dusk laurel
say that again
spare pier
I still think it's funny that he really is the Tom Holland of Calamity
snow mountain
signus/void are far more interesting because they are epic and cool and i want to kiss both of them
what
dusk laurel
what.
real silo
I still think it's funny that he really is the Tom Holland of Calamity
Triangle holland
snow mountain
if i kissed ceaseless, would i be kissing noxus by proxy?
pliant ruin
well you can kiss a portal i just dont think its able to kiss you back
so like, possible
snow mountain
if i kissed ceaseless, would i be kissing noxus by proxy?
think about it, if i stick my mouth in there, noxus could kiss it
dusk laurel
😭
cloud ibex
I still think it's funny that he really is the Tom Holland of Calamity
lmao
that's a hell of a way of putting it
snow mountain
that's a hell of a way of putting it
clarify
cloud ibex
iirc tom holland accidentally leaked something about no way home in an interview before the movie released
real silo
Tom holland accidentally leaked quite a bit of stuff
cloud ibex
and triangle revealed what signus' whole Thing was even though that wasn't public knowledge yet
spare pier
Again, I must reiterate I'm not mad at him
I just think it's funny that he ends up leaking stuff fairly often
real silo
Ravager lore
cosmic zenith
Weaver is really just... how do I put it
Inconsequential to the main plotline
Which makes him feel a lot less important
His menace is grounded entirely on worldbuilding, which is something we have to improve a lot yet
spare pier
"Calamity doesn't have any interesting side plots, everything is Gods or Dragons or Yharim"
People when we do interesting side plots:
limpid saddle
i wonder if the storm weaver will weave storms & leave devastation in it's wake
but yeah you guys have been working really hard
especially with how you pop in to ask about structures & stuff it's really cool to see you're working on the more subtle stuff like that
proven rivet
"Calamity doesn't have any interesting side plots, everything is Gods or Dragons...
"Nooooo don't add more side plots!!! It makes the mod not take itself seriously!!!!!!"
wheat walrus
"Nooooo don't add more side plots!!! It makes the mod not take itself seriously!...
"calamity takes itself way too seriously!!!"
untold oracle
Why so serious
spare pier
"Nooooo don't add more side plots!!! It makes the mod not take itself seriously!...
Someone said that?
fierce pagoda
My fav calamity side plot is uhhh uhmm uhh
young socket
my favourite is moray eel
snow mountain
my favourite is how amidias gives birth
snow mountain
its canon and i will not hear anything else
wheat walrus
fierce pagoda
true but seahorse girls lay eggs, and the boy seahorse just holds onto them, so it just kinda looks like they're giving birth when they're not actually
Illmerians would likely have more sophisticated incubation methods than having the boys carry the eggs all the time
snow mountain
Illmerians would likely have more sophisticated incubation methods than having t...
amidias birthing trumpet
snow mountain
true but seahorse girls lay eggs, and the boy seahorse just holds onto them, so ...
close enough
fierce pagoda
close enough
true its just semantics at that point
but biologists dont like to have fun
proven rivet
Someone said that?
People in Terramain
spare pier
Incredible
proven rivet
They cannot decide if they think Calamity takes itself too seriously or too unserious
I don't think it does either as you can just, not care about the lore??
young socket
eel moray
fierce pagoda
ahh, those unsophisticated apes at the Terraria Discord...
No but really, it seems like people who only play vanilla terraira disproportionately hate on Calamity mod
Maybe they dislike calamity because of the context and history surrounding it, rather than the gameplay and content?
but no, since many criticize it for its changes being either too hard or anti-fun
or maybe I'm the one generalizing based on a vocal minority!
proven rivet
Maybe they dislike calamity because of the context and history surrounding it, r...
I think they do
hoary cape
Storm Weaver when it weaves a storm
chrome iris
Is Yharim the strongest in Lore?
swift ferry
It is worth noting that yharim does have that tboy swag though
So that's a significant aspect to consider here
snow mountain
It is worth noting that yharim does have that tboy swag though
zamn, that is zrue
pliant ruin
not even close
wouldn't say that tbf he's still the 4th strongest
not counting terraria who is you etc etc bla bla bla 🍈
young socket
not counting terraria who is you etc etc bla bla bla 🍈
🔫
pliant ruin
its true
dusk laurel
snow mountain
funger in the lore channel is insane
limpid saddle
funger in the lore channel is insane
im pretty fungry...
long bloom
wouldn't say that tbf he's still the 4th strongest
yeah there's not many people stronger than him
but
the jump in power from yhar to xeroc is like
orders of magnitude
scenic olive
Would
Blue Mushrooms be able to control dead gods
Crabulon is a corpse
What if blue mushroom can also control corpses of 
gods
stoic gulch
does terminus have lore
young socket
does terminus have lore
yd u ask here and in the place
real silo
I think at least
young socket
stoic gulch
yd u ask here and in the place
cuz this is a more active chat sometimes and its technically off topic
i did get my answer here first
robust osprey
Something something artifact that lets you have perfect ascension
that's not confirmed
unless some dev confirmed it idk
hoary cape
Blue mushroom on its way to collect ravager
mighty zenith
that's not confirmed
it has something to do with xeroc's ascension at least
long bloom
that's not confirmed
it is i think
long bloom
disregard my previous comment
sinful adder
Blue mushroom on its way to collect ravager
Wait that would be awesome actually
long bloom
ravulon
robust osprey
ravalon
sinful adder
It would fit pretty well
limpid saddle
Does yharim have wings
It's probably a metaphor for the 'mantle' of a hero & not literal wings
he probably does have wings in his accessory slots though
woeful zealot
It's probably a metaphor for the 'mantle' of a hero & not literal wings
Weird metaphor
snow mountain
he probably does have wings in his accessory slots though
HE HAS A DRAGON
why would wings be needed
plucky juniper
Maybe they dislike calamity because of the context and history surrounding it, r...
it depends. many people dislike calamity for either part
limpid saddle
HE HAS A DRAGON
sometimes you just want to do something on your own
snow mountain
ITS REALLY COOL THOUGH
limpid saddle
we have flying pets
plucky juniper
(it could also be, yes, it being disproportionately popular compared to like, even vanilla terraria)
limpid saddle
so why do we use wings?
woeful zealot
Anyway for my purposes then Im going to assume he has wings
young socket
yharim just jumps
woeful zealot
Thank you calmain lore discussion
young socket
like really fast and far
young socket
yharims frog leg actually
cloud ibex
Personally I’m on the side of he doesn’t have wings and the way he’ll catch up with you in the air is he fuckin jumps at the speed of sound
pulsar trellis
yharim doesnt need wings cuz hes just better
swift ferry
he auric rejects the air to give himself double jumps
pulsar trellis
yharim catching up to u at hypersonic speeds with his full stack of auric repulsors
humble fog
Personally I’m on the side of he doesn’t have wings and the way he’ll catch up w...
yharim is actually just another king slime
prime mauve
he probably does have wings in his accessory slots though
nah he'd run gravity globe
robust osprey
sometimes you just want to do something on your own
the flying carpet that is literally on auric boots recipe:
long bloom
is luxor still an actual character or are they getting daedalusd
real silo
I don't think they were ever a character
trim peak
Genuine lore question that I'm stumped at, is Fovos in his prime stronger than Xeroc is right now or would it be more even
sinful adder
Genuine lore question that I'm stumped at, is Fovos in his prime stronger than X...
slightly weaker
barely
Xeroc would win but would need to be at his best
robust osprey
Genuine lore question that I'm stumped at, is Fovos in his prime stronger than X...
nothing is stronger than xeroc
literally the unmatcheable power of the sun
trim peak
Yeah I can believe that. It's a testament to how busted Moon Lord was in his prime
I mean considering Providence is just barely stronger than the husk of Fovos that says a lot
hoary cape
I think it's stated that fovos might win like 1/10 fights or something
But generally speaking that requires a lot of luck on his part
spare pier
I'm of the opinion that Moon Lord vs Xeroc is basically just Luffy vs Kaido
Yes, Moon Lord makes Xeroc sweat and work for the win
But unless there is some heavy outside interference and some bullshit adde on top
Moon Lord is never winning
hoary cape
Nuke xeroc while he is sleeping
clever raft
I'm of the opinion that Moon Lord vs Xeroc is basically just Luffy vs Kaido
how weakened did moonlord have to be to be even "weaker" than dragonfolly (or at least in progression)
robust osprey
lost its legs, most vital organs and has its skull cracked open
yeah, very nerfed down
but like folly wouldn't defeat moonlord probably
but that's beacuse folly is tupid
and would attack the whole body instead of the eyes
spare pier
Eh I very much think both Guardians and Folly fall a bit short of Moon Lord
Well ok maybe not Guardians
Given they have
A pretty signifcant advantage in the numbers
clever raft
and would attack the whole body instead of the eyes
yep i just realized how strong moonlord is, considering even when he looks like some guy had trouble with a cartel, we still need to hit his eyes cuz we can do no damage otherwise
scenic olive
Moonlord actively steals ur health and heals himsef
clever raft
Eh I very much think both Guardians and Folly fall a bit short of Moon Lord
how close to victory or tie is yharim from winning in a match against moonlord? is it like nobara vs gojo or like yuji vs sukuna?
thats the only comparation i could think of
spare pier
Yharim vs Moon Lord is like
Yeah Yharim can fight but would be on the backfoot all the time and have no real chance at winning
clever raft
for some reason that got me thinking how the scale is like yharim<moonlord<noxus<xeroc
so i imagined an army of yharims vs xeroc
clever raft
really?
robust osprey
yeah I think they're like really close but moonlord wins
clever raft
tought noxus was like really powerfull, like in destructive power even bigger than xeroc
long bloom
i'm also pretty sure ml is stronger than noxus
clever raft
this is a big reveal for me
Rebbecca i just read you are also lore writter of catalyst wich i like all of that astral expansion in everything including lore, do you consider the catalyst lore canon? cuz its a different mod obv
robust osprey
it isnt canon
geldon will stay in the void sorry
unless your terrarian uses that one staff
clever raft
i really like the staff, such a cute tooltip!
"Back from the heavens just to protect you!"
eager bluff
Rebbecca i just read you are also lore writter of catalyst wich i like all of th...
it isnt canon but it is canon compliant
gilded rose
If you want to know more then there is entire lore document
where is the lore document
calm patio
in the pins
long bloom
trim peak
If we’re talkin Fovos, Noxus and Xeroc what’s the best estimate for these two then, seeing as they come from a somewhat modified and separate continuity
real silo
Both of these are capital G gods so they're wayy above xeroc
trim peak
Really?? ND sure seeing as he’s based off of old Xeroc and is basically just the supreme being of everything
pliant ruin
Avatar is just a equivalent to ND from a universe that suffered from heat death
trim peak
But I’d figure at least the Avatar would probably be even to Fovos or Noxus. Definitely stronger than Yharim and anything before tho
pliant ruin
they're more or less the same
crimson junco
isn't Cal old lore power scaling is like supreme level max of the universe
so those 2 are probably at a higher level
crimson junco
not the same power scaling, got it
pliant ruin
Nameless is inspired of old lore xeroc but isn't old lore xeroc, Nameless is a manifestation of the universe itself, more or less omnipotent with the only real way of it dying being the universe itself dying
Avatar is a similar type of entity except it's universe died because Heat Death and so it's really fucking lonely and sad
solar wharf
Avatar is a similar type of entity except it's universe died because Heat Death ...
so its much older than ND?
crimson junco
ye... probably stronger than Xeroc
pliant ruin
it attempts to take over Nameless's place because it wants to not be Lonely and Sad
pliant ruin
so its much older than ND?
Seemingly so yeah
trim peak
While not 100% concrete in terms of feats/powerscaling the implications both of their boss fights give off put them on a level nothing in current Calamity is even capable of
trim peak
Avatar is a similar type of entity except it's universe died because Heat Death ...
Yeah I kinda came to a similar conclusion. For a supposed god, it really lacks any divinity or majesty and comes off as more eldritch/lovecraftian if anything which is probably the point. In a chronic state of deterioration and as you’ve put it, decrepit with saddened loneliness and loss
pliant ruin
Yet another reason as to why people thinking Nameless is Xeroc is very unfortunate is that the actual lore of WOTG and Nameless as a separate concept is very interesting and people miss out on it because of that
Curse thee, clickbait titles
trim peak
The fact people still make that correlation kind of perplexes me because it should be common knowledge at this point
cloud ibex
maybe WotG being separated from cal will help in that aspect
real silo
First impressions last way longer than they should
trim peak
It’s so much better that they’re separate entities with only being subtly based off of old lore beats. Kinda sucks if the misconception is still present to this day
real silo
maybe WotG being separated from cal will help in that aspect
How will they do that
trim peak
My first exposure to ND wasn’t even under the impression it was a Calamity-related mod, I deadass thought it was a joke mod
real silo
It uses draedon and permafrost stuff doesn't it
cloud ibex
solar wharf
well that was anticlimactic
real silo
you're anticliducktic
solar wharf
you're anticliducktic
WHAT
trim peak
maybe WotG being separated from cal will help in that aspect
I can kinda see this being a reality as those two, along with Solyn can kinda be rewritten in a way that renders them as separate and wholly original
solar wharf
now that's very climactic
trim peak
But like, there’s also XG Mars and Permafrost’s lair to take into consideration. Draedon especially acting as a big caveat
trim peak
Yeah, or they’d have to establish like a small handful of post-moon lord content and bosses to work up to that point if they keep it as is
I think WOTG being an optional addition to Calamity, almost like an AU is pretty fire. Seeing people make unofficial yet very creative additions to the mod serves as nice appetizers or even full on entrees to quell our interests while we wait for the official stuff to come out
snow mountain
<:IDK:987668908150501396>
fables whenever they add the related content
besides, wotg is being overhauled so
i think it'll be fine
rigid crane
where did u guys find the bits of the lore?
i wanna read the whole thing on a timeline
pliant ruin
There isn't a timeline i don't think but there's a doc on pins with most of the currently publicly available loe
ingame it's conveyed through the whispers you get after killing bosses, dialogue with npcs (Including Draedon), bestiary, item tooltips, and some dedicated lore things such as the entries in draedon's labs
chrome iris
why terrarian is so powerfull
limpid saddle
why terrarian is so powerfull
they're good at murdering things
& they have all the things that make them better at murder
also something something
the terrarian is YOU
proven rivet
why terrarian is so powerfull
snow mountain
the terrarian is YOU
chrome iris
https://discord.com/channels/225030931008847874/568192082473386020/1311045285048...
wow
we are literally a yharim glazzer
magic epoch
and not everyone is a yharim glazer it's just you (who the terrarian is)
pulsar ocean
besides, wotg is being overhauled so
since when?
limpid saddle
isnt wotg already overhauled
magic epoch
again
dusk laurel
that was the noxus overhaul
chrome iris
lol, Terrarian wants to be yharim
pliant ruin
the terrarian is a character with no set established lore and you decide whatever their motivations are
🍈 🔫
wheat walrus
🍈🔫
young socket
🔫 🍈
mighty zenith
🍉 🔫
dusk laurel
snow mountain
eager folio
the terrarian is a character with no set established lore and you decide whateve...
My motive is that I am very bad at making new friends and they keep all dying somehow
robust osprey
🍉 
pulsar ocean
<:melongun:1365743883450847404>
why is melongun null from baldi's basics in education and learning
dusk laurel
?
last oxide
what weapons is yharim supposed to use?
limpid saddle
what weapons is yharim supposed to use?
Uhhh
his fists
Somebodies spine one time
dusk laurel
he has a sword
limpid saddle
Hitherto unnamed sword
last oxide
he has a sword
does it look like his armor?
fierce pagoda
Do you think Yharim has like a huge bulky wide sword, or something more similar to a katana
light linden
besides, wotg is being overhauled so
wait what
proven rivet
I think Yharim's sword will be similar to that of his in YOMI Hustle
light linden
I thought it just got overhauled?
snow mountain
i don't wanna post the screenshot
light linden
can you tell me then?
proven rivet
I think Yharim's sword will be similar to that of his in YOMI Hustle
If we count weapons he had used in the past, Fractured Ark
light linden
please?
snow mountain
for the hundredth time but yes, its being completely overhauled to work with fables/vanilla balance rather than cal
light linden
for the hundredth time but yes, its being completely overhauled to work with fab...
guessing it won't be compatable with cal anymore?
snow mountain
balance wise certainly
thank goodness, given how unnecessary cal's changes seem to be
fierce pagoda
Maybe it will get a cal mode? so that we can still play it with calamity if one wanted to
snow mountain
thank goodness, given how unnecessary cal's changes seem to be
also i feel as if it would work better in fables' context, given that it is influenced by old lore for the most part
proven rivet
Calamity does not have vanilla balancing as Calamity is not balanced around changes vanilla made later
snow mountain
Maybe it will get a cal mode? so that we can still play it with calamity if one ...
lucille and co would need to make a lot of changes for that to work
fierce pagoda
well i guess we could just download an older version of the mod
snow mountain
Calamity does not have vanilla balancing as Calamity is not balanced around chan...
fair, cal balancing to me at least is an abyss worth not jumping into
mighty zenith
thats fair, its not like everything has to be a cal addon
in fact making standalone mods is better
snow mountain
thats fair, its not like everything has to be a cal addon
👍
mighty zenith
get more cool content on the scene
proven rivet
Calamity does not have vanilla balancing as Calamity is not balanced around chan...
Like bro, there's genuinely so many people outraged at Calamity for not balancing itself around Rod of Harmony
snow mountain
insane
proven rivet
get more cool content on the scene
:hadachitrue:
fierce pagoda
But Rod of harmony is balanced as intended?
light linden
Like bro, there's genuinely so many people outraged at Calamity for not balancin...
I mean
young socket
But Rod of harmony is balanced as intended?
exactly
light linden
RoH is a balancing nightmare
fierce pagoda
its a post game item in Vanilla, makes sense for it to be a post game item in calamity too
snow mountain
cal has its own balance around the way it designs bosses, its a matter of personal taste as to whether you like it or not
shrimple
proven rivet
But Rod of harmony is balanced as intended?
Correct, but those people think it deserves to be post ML without changes
snow mountain
i simply just haven't played cal other than one 1.3 and another 1.4.4 playthrough
proven rivet
Can't really change half of the mod for 2 vanilla items
fierce pagoda
they just want all of the post ML bosses to be ruined lmao
snow mountain
post ml bosses kinda suck atm
fierce pagoda
One thing i remember i got sad about was the infinite flight being removed from the soaring insigna
i mean in hindsight it makes sense, since it breaks calamitys wing progression
snow mountain
but its lame now...
fierce pagoda
but it just gets removed entirely
It doesnt comeback post game like rod of harmony
proven rivet
Dw it will be buffed
mighty zenith
it did get overnerfed
spare pier
No it did not
snow mountain
just limit the inf flight to outside of bosses and write lore flavour text
shrimple
light linden
i mean in hindsight it makes sense, since it breaks calamitys wing progression
I mean I'm doing something similar
fierce pagoda
techincally it got nerfed to be infinitely worse lol
proven rivet
No it did not
Isn't it like +25% wing time now?
spare pier
Soaring Insignia is arguably the single best accessory in Vanilla Terraria and Ironically it's not even because of the infinite flight time
It's because it basically makes you twice as fast on top of that
fierce pagoda
it makes you super duper fast
light linden
gonna make it only have infinite flight outside of bosses and when against bosses you've already beaten
fierce pagoda
kinda crazy that you get it post EoL, I NEVER take the soaring insigna off after i get it in vanilla
i love it so much
spare pier
gonna make it only have infinite flight outside of bosses and when against bosse...
That's still breaking everything after EoL
light linden
I mean
spare pier
Bosses aren't the only content guys
fierce pagoda
It really shows me the stark difference in game design philosophy between Relogic and Calamity
light linden
I don't really care about flight duration outside of bosses
snow mountain
that content isn't particularly fufilling at the mo?
young socket
i mean
"HEY HEY DIDI YOU ODUITGKLMWOW DID YOU KNOW CAL DOESNT HAVE A LOT OF POST ML NON BOSS CONTENT?!"
dusk laurel
💥
snow mountain
"HEY HEY DIDI YOU ODUITGKLMWOW DID YOU KNOW CAL DOESNT HAVE A LOT OF POST ML NON...
🧘♀️
light linden
bosses and events are the only time they're really a balancing concern
spare pier
It really shows me the stark difference in game design philosophy between Relogi...
They can afford to have that kind of shit in EoL because she's not only really hard meaning most players won't fight her until Post Golem or even latter, but they might not even know she exists
snow mountain
mr stabby
proven rivet
It really shows me the stark difference in game design philosophy between Relogi...
Soaring Insignia got added a long time after post-ml had already been largely established. I see no reason why a major chunk of the game should be entirely rebalanced around 1 item that did not even exist at the time.
snow mountain
They can afford to have that kind of shit in EoL because she's not only really h...
to back this up its endgame vanilla stuff
not for cal
spare pier
Which do try to pull back and make wings less central
And, yeah
Soaring Insignia is endgame in Vanilla
It's late-midgame in Cal
snow mountain
xeroc themed upgrade...
tender lotus