lore-discussion

[limpid saddle]

Tsuki's greatest love in this world is re-iterating things people have already said

[final bison]

you think draedon has a jarvis from iron man like system everywhere he goes?

if so

does he tell it to jork it a little?

[pulsar ocean]

No

🙅🏻‍♂️

Why would he need a Jarvis

At all

[tidal karma]

jarvis jork it

[final bison]

he sees ares hitting a trickshot on the terrarian and he tells jarvis to clip that shit and clean his pants

the fuck did i write

[final bison]

i meant it rhetorically

"yharim stfu im hitting a clip on exo legends"

[gloomy yacht]

He IS Jarvis (with a bit of Ultron)

[jaunty marsh]

if thanatos and DoG were to get into a fight, who would win?

im under the impression that theyre about the same power, but they each have a ton of hax

so idk

[untold oracle]

thanatos id say

[jaunty marsh]

i mean thanatos has way more defense but he doesnt have as many attacks as DoG

if it was on the ground than i would say ur right

but in the air or anywhere else

idk

DoG can probobly outsmart him

or outmaneuver

with the portals

[untold oracle]

i dont know what attacks dog will have but the laser grids etc are getting removed

also dog outsmarting?

hell no

dog is so full of himself he cant see his faults (lots of)

[strange stump]

hi

[jaunty marsh]

even still, DoG still can use portals and probobly completely outmaneuvers thanatos, but i feel like if thanatos actually lands a hit on DoG it deals tons of dmg

[untold oracle]

thanatos is controlled by draedon too

[jaunty marsh]

he just has to tank untill then

oh yea i kinda forgot about that

[untold oracle]

thanatos has the glupshitto deathray and its core temperature most likely will melt dog

[untold oracle]

haiiiiiii ^^

[strange stump]

helllooooo :D

[untold oracle]

rebec

[spare pier]

I think DoG wins with relatively ease because he just overpowers Thanatos to an immense degree

[jaunty marsh]

i was under the impression that they had about the same strength

only that thanatos had more upfront power while dog had more hax

[light linden]

hi rebecca

[spare pier]

DoG is almost three times as thick as Thanatos and as long as he positions himself correctly there is no way Thanatos can cause any meaningful damage to him

[light linden]

can I ask a question?

[spare pier]

Sure

[light linden]

do you want a bnnuy?

[untold oracle]

OH YEAH dog gets resized

[spare pier]

No

[light linden]

ok

[untold oracle]

i fucking forgot

thanatos is tiny compared to new dog lmfaoo

[spare pier]

I think the only instance DoG gets defeated is if he is dumb enough to let Thanatos' death laser hit inside his mouth

And he isn't that stupid

[jaunty marsh]

well hes also got the deathray, + the actual lasers that he shoors besides that are implied to use auric energy

[spare pier]

Where

[untold oracle]

auric?

[jaunty marsh]

bc exo mechs do use god/auric souls

[spare pier]

No??????

[dusk laurel]

wgat

[untold oracle]

its exotic resonance iirc

[spare pier]

Where did you take that from?

[dusk laurel]

no where mentions that the exos are powered by souls

[jaunty marsh]

it was from the mod talk

[robust osprey]

they don't

[jaunty marsh]

i thought they were powered by the god/auric souls

[robust osprey]

regular mechs are powered by average souls, that's the closest to that

[untold oracle]

calamity mod talk....

[dusk laurel]

cmt lore goes crazy

[jaunty marsh]

its why they were so much stronger than the regular mechs

[spare pier]

No, Exo Mechs are just robots

[robust osprey]

they are stronger beacuse technology advances

[jaunty marsh]

huh ok ok

i didnt know lol

[spare pier]

Draedon explicitly states he has never liked to work with souls because they aren't obedient

[jaunty marsh]

that was mb

[spare pier]

But yeah, Thanatos vs DoG is a matchup where I think DoG just comically overpowers Thanatos

[spice torrent]

Lorewise i agree

[untold oracle]

regular mechs are controlled by a bazillion souls that operate autonomously

exos are powered by exo prisms and are controlled directly by draedon

[spice torrent]

but i think all of the Exo mechs against DoG?

[jaunty marsh]

got it ok ok

[spice torrent]

nah DoG doesnt stand a chance

[snow mountain]

regular mechs were basically wild animals

[spare pier]

My brother in Christ

[spice torrent]

4v1

[spare pier]

There is a reason we are talking only Thanatos

[spice torrent]

dog is getting his ass blown to kingdom come if he had to face all 4 exo mechs

[spare pier]

Exo Mechs are literally arguably the 6th strongest things in the entire story

But they are only that together

[spice torrent]

what is the power scaling? What i mean is what is stronger than them

[untold oracle]

yhar

[spare pier]

1 - Xeroc
2 - Terrarian
3 - Prime Moon Lord
4 - Noxus
5 - Yharim
6 - Calamitas/Exos

[untold oracle]

oh

[spice torrent]

Looks bout accurate, but it is easier to call prime ML Fovos

[spare pier]

Terrarian assuming a full ass endgame motherfucker

[spice torrent]

Yep, obviously

[untold oracle]

prime fovos stronger than noxus???

dam

[spare pier]

A Terrarian that fought Xeroc is obviously only second to them

[spice torrent]

i mean
he murdered and nearly killed a hell ton of dragons

including their king

[spare pier]

I think it's really close overall but Moon Lord has a bunch of bullshit up his ass

[spice torrent]

Although

Something interesting in lore

is that Providence and her 3 warrior companions

somehow killed a full power Auric dragon

[untold oracle]

i mean

[spice torrent]

How the hell

[spare pier]

Noxus is like an ICBM, Moon Lord is like a whole ass army, and overall the army tends to be stronger

[dusk laurel]

auric dragons vary a lot in power

[untold oracle]

average auric dragon was like plantera level

[young socket]

dam thats big

[dusk laurel]

like yharon is more like an exception than the average

[untold oracle]

expolde

[spare pier]

*According to me

[spice torrent]

This is the Dragon of fire and destruction

[untold oracle]

counts

[spice torrent]

i think that it is stronger than average

[dusk laurel]

just fire

[spice torrent]

true

but still

[untold oracle]

live with the consequences

[young socket]

no

[spice torrent]

What about the Avatar of Emptiness? Or is that the same thing

[dusk laurel]

also like xeroc was already really strong before becoming a god

[spice torrent]

or is that just noncanon

[dusk laurel]

whos to say provi and her friends couldnt get strong

[untold oracle]

wotg...

[spare pier]

Eidolon Wyrms are the actual baseline for Auric Dragons but those thing's power is comically inflated due to the stats being really high

While the moveset is piss poor

Auric Dragons were VASTLY more versatile than wyrms and could hold their ground far better

[spice torrent]

If i remember correctly
Primordial Wyrm is like 8th strongest

[dusk laurel]

pw is stronger than the exos/scal

relatively

[spare pier]

For future reference, PW is probably being retiered in the future

I don't remember if it's Pre Yharon or Post Yharon now

[dusk laurel]

huh

[sinful adder]

It's post Yharon currently, slightly stronger than exos

[spare pier]

I mean the retier

[sinful adder]

Oh, I see

[wheat walrus]

zangmn

[wheat walrus]

if I had to say, it's more like the opposite, the icbm is stronger but the army is smarter, a better fighter

an icbm causes more general destruction, the army is, however, more complex

I think it fits the 2, Noxus seems like a "incredibly filled up with power but not the brightest tool" deal, Moonlord/Fovos seems also incredibly powerful, even if not necessarily as overpowered as Noxus, but is otherwise a much better warrior

mayhaps,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

[cosmic zenith]

People generally tend to have shit up their asses, yeah

[wheat walrus]

🚡

flameheart

[cosmic zenith]

Aerial Tramway? Rain World Watcher reference?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1125322916888858656/1339077236485259264/IMG_3210.gif

[dusk laurel]

😭

[wheat walrus]

no it's the new tiktok brainrot emote flameheart

[cosmic zenith]

Hinokor reference.....

[wheat walrus]

hishin,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

火心

[cosmic zenith]

🙏

[pliant ruin]

Rebecca watching as not only someone asks if avatar of emptiness is canon but also someone says fovos is the name of prime ml

[crystal pendant]

fovos isnt ml?

im confused

[pliant ruin]

fovos is ml but both names serve the same purpose

[spare pier]

Fovos is Moon Lord but

[pliant ruin]

fovos isn't the name of "prime" ml bla bla bla bla

[spare pier]

Refer to this

[pliant ruin]

neither is the "real" name either theyre just different names used by different cultures etc etc

[cloud ibex]

fovos is just as much ml's real name as Moon Lord is ml's real name

[pliant ruin]

yuh

[crystal pendant]

oh so what i thought. neat

[pliant ruin]

fucked up

[dusk laurel]

malicious

[spare pier]

Fucked up

[pliant ruin]

if yharim isn't a god and he's as cracked as he is id say its fair that provi plus three other competent fighters prior to ascending couldve kille a dragon yea

even a particulalry strong one

[cosmic zenith]

Hype moments and aura

[spring helm]

blue miku

[wheat walrus]

wasn't this even pinned

[spare pier]

Yes

[wheat walrus]

incredible

you even entrusted me this task,,,

I do remember doing that a few times, I think

ancient times

[prime mauve]

Fovos is moon lord if he was cool

[fierce pagoda]

Moonlord when I eat his Onion

[proven rivet]

Why does Fovos carry an onion with them

[spring helm]

Fovos has layers

[hoary cape]

Nah you see ML and fovos are obviously different. When you lose your legs you become a new person /j

[fierce pagoda]

Why does Fovers want the world soul

[spring helm]

same reason the gods wanted auric souls, probably

[fierce pagoda]

Ultimate power

[prime mauve]

onion? like Pikmin??

Does celestial onion make moon Pikmin????

[limpid saddle]

while he was trapped inside the moon he made a garden & tried to grow food but the only thing that sprouted were moon onions

so he ate raw moon onions for 800 years & has one he carried around for when he was freed

[real silo]

Does this mean he can wear 806 accessories

[limpid saddle]

yeah but he's naked & he doesnt have legs

he can only wear 806 copies of the medal accesories

[real silo]

damn

tragic fate

[prime mauve]

I mean

He could wear boots on his fingers

[limpid saddle]

what's next? gauntlets on toes?

t'ain't right

[real silo]

boots on his ribs

[bold dragon]

Oh no wonder his breath stinks

[south lynx]

is stained, brutal calamity canon?

[magic epoch]

ithink some of it can be

like all of lament is not canon for

one reason :3

[south lynx]

whats the reason

and some of lament should be canon right?

[magic epoch]

[south lynx]

yeah thats what i thought

the calamitas parts are canon though right

[magic epoch]

she only has grief but i think some of it still is a bit iffy

[pliant ruin]

well it's in a weird place

you can kind of interpret it to fit the current narrative but it's not intended to work with it as it was made for the old version of the lore and superficially seems to conflict with it

[eager bluff]

its in a weird state of half canonicity

parts of it fit but other parts absolutely do not

[long bloom]

no

it's explicitly non canon

[sinful adder]

Think of it like a really bad translation of something that might be canon

[pulsar ocean]

No obviously not haha

[limpid saddle]

better question

Is Raw, Unfiltered Calamity canon?

[long bloom]

yes

there's no lyrics

[untold oracle]

Yes and it also confirms respawning being canon

Further supporting the extraversal terrarian agenda

-# (no it’s not)

[mighty zenith]

learo

[pulsar ocean]

Terrarian is multiversal

[wheat walrus]

Terraria is low gunversal

[final bison]

Can't believe I'm asking this but how old is calamitas

Cuz in the lore they kept treating her like a lost manipulated child

[mighty zenith]

by the events of the game she's in her 20s

she joined the crusade as a child

[long bloom]

currently late 20s

joined the crusade in very early teens

[faint willow]

Alr alr now bettah inform the authorities for joining gangs while underage

[mighty zenith]

the authorities that took her in as a child soldier?

[cloud ibex]

yea like

they already know that's how she became a child soldier in the first place

[pulsar ocean]

CHILD SOLDIER?

METAL GEAR REFERENCE?

RAIDEN METAL GEAR RISING REVENGENCE?

[magic epoch]

unfortunately metal gear did not invent the idea of child soldiers

[pulsar ocean]

Who did

[snow mountain]

big boss

[untold oracle]

NO

[mighty zenith]

you can never escape

[untold oracle]

Actually put my nickname as Léa

[mighty zenith]

bwaa

[snow mountain]

lean is made by mixing together cough syrup and the soft drink fanta, giving it its distinct ourple colouration

does draedon know how to make lean?

[snow mountain]

In particular, it is a polysubstance drink, being a popular drug prepared by mixing cough or cold syrup, like *codeine* - the originator of its distinctive purple hue, with a soft drink, often one sold from a popular brand, namely *Sprite*, *Fanta*, or *Mountain Dew*. I cannot assist you in the creation of this beverage, however, but I shall divulge guidance on how to perfect such a delicacy.

is this codebreaker dialogue canon?

it is accessible once you defeat the secret exo-mech XB-420 Dionysus

[shrewd stream]

I was looking at some memes in reddit for the past 3 hours and i wondered for some reason, was slime god a human who slayed a dragon and became slime god or some dude slayed the dragon and a random slime happened to jump on the auric soul making it slime god?

[mighty zenith]

the former

[shrewd stream]

Thanks

[swift ferry]

I really like the idea of the latter though

much funnier

[graceful thunder]

Is Yharim still going to still be the final boss for calamity whenever he's added

[dusk laurel]

yes

[long bloom]

fun fact: pre-ascension slime god was a genderfluid femboy

because why not

[shrewd stream]

[graceful thunder]

😭

these fuckass devs bro 💔

[snow mountain]

its peak lore

[graceful thunder]

nah bro

gooners gonna make art of it bro

😭

[snow mountain]

tis peak

[long bloom]

we don't even know what they looked like

[pulsar ocean]

So they made a lgbt representative commit animal abuse

[long bloom]

that's half of everyone in cal

[graceful thunder]

sm1 gonna make a design 😭

[dark sundial]

Arts like those for slime king and queen slime?

[graceful thunder]

💔

Dante quit goonin

[dark sundial]

I will never stop XD

Lunatic cultist as a waifu btw

[long bloom]

that's just calamitas in a blue robe

[dark sundial]

So how about Providence human form?

[long bloom]

looks like a genshin character

[dark sundial]

And how about calamitas eating bugers

[mighty zenith]

can u stop actually

[dark sundial]

[long bloom]

15/10

[dark sundial]

K i will stop

[dark sundial]

So slime god is non binary then XD

[long bloom]

yeah

so are xeroc, bandit and shakidou

[swift ferry]

nb into trans woman pipeline

[dark sundial]

How xeroc would be a femboy if he was a monk?

Or this is old lore

[long bloom]

you can be nonbinary without being a femboy 💀

and vice versa

[mighty zenith]

[dark sundial]

[mighty zenith]

could you elaborate

[dark sundial]

Nah

[swift ferry]

(90s sonic voice)
Don't be a fool - transphobia isn't cool

[snow mountain]

can we ban the user for this

[long bloom]

he's resisting arrest

[mighty zenith]

warn worthy at least

you don't just

say that shit

[snow mountain]

its pretty extreme no?

transphobia in my lore chat smh

[swift ferry]

I was thinking "this is why we need transmasc yharim"
but I guess realistically he would be one of the absolute worst choices to represent trans ppl 😭

Instead I now propose trans dog
He's only a LITTLE evil.

[snow mountain]

peak idea

[long bloom]

pretty sure dog doesn't have a gender
or if he does it's entirely incomprehensible

[swift ferry]

So what we're saying is he's already at least genderqueer
Taking note of this...

[stoic lark]

All he'd need is a recolour

[swift ferry]

Real he's almost there already

[long bloom]

cosmic guardian resprite to look like blahaj

[swift ferry]

during the phase change instead of changing into his armor he just changes his gender

[long bloom]

🔥✍️

[tranquil seal]

A GOD DOESNT FEAR MISGENDERING!!!

[pseudo scroll]

Computer, fetch me my list of preferred pronouns

https://tenor.com/view/draedon-gif-14852895107527072338

THE EMBED FAILURE

[mighty zenith]

laugh at this user

[dusk laurel]

Hehehe har

[snow mountain]

chortle chortle

[cloud ibex]

i don't know the exact definitions of the word "animal" but i feel like calling the auric dragons animals implies they weren't sapient

which, considering Yharon, at the very least some of them are

[late veldt]

Did Draedon mention the date of Azafure's incineration or

[cloud ibex]

so no they didn't make an lgbt representative commit animal abuse

they made an lgbt representative commit murder

big difference

[mighty zenith]

yharon is as much of an animal as humans are animals

[tall delta]

are blessed people gods in a way

[long bloom]

huh

what are blessed people

anyway no they're not

the definition of god is someone who consumed an auric soul

[tall delta]

guys who the gods shared their divine power with

example the guardians

[long bloom]

yeah not gods

[supple bluff]

Just thought of a dope ass idea for Xeroc

What if he used Primordial Light to make prime Fovos

[long bloom]

that would be dope

[young socket]

also known as Xeroc Just Decides to Fucking Kill You™️

[supple bluff]

Like how we use the beacon to contact Dr Drae and fight his machines we contact him to go "hey I wanna try to kill this thing" and he goes "LMAOO whatever you say"

Secret boss type shit

Wait actually this shit would make a great ass superboss addon

Holy fuck this is actually cooking in my mind

New challenges where after boss-rush you can use the Terminus to again to either start boss rush or do trials and select how you want to choose to prove your worth. It gives you options like Fovos, Celestial Calamity; Zeratros, Primordial Dragon; Yharim, God of Rebirth (a Yharim if he were to have consumed the egg)

[long bloom]

wait

future bosses

[supple bluff]

This would be so fucking dope

Other possibilty maybe an elemental that is all mashed together and when it dies you get a new Lore based on Silva (and other elementals ig)

Basically just one big mash of bosses that are purely up to imagination and to fuel the community

[snow mountain]

if future bosses came back i would actually kill myself

[supple bluff]

Just wiki'd the future bosses, had no idea these existed

Mine are cooler

[mighty zenith]

they existed for like

2 weeks

they were removed for being the very definition of content bloat

[long bloom]

wdym ancient doomsayer was a very necessary, quality addition that improved the mod substantially

[snow mountain]

even the most bloated mod realised they were too bloatful

[mighty zenith]

true

[long bloom]

ture

[untold oracle]

We need to add more future bosses

Make an endgame future boss version out of every boss

(They only have higher stats same ai)

[dusk laurel]

we should add like a ghost boss of every auric dragon at their prime ever

this totally would be a good idea

[hoary berry]

gorthus dragon boss

[limpid saddle]

polterghast prime

[pulsar ocean]

dragon of life prime (those who know 💀 💀 💀 )

[spare pier]

That's basically every God but yes

[magic epoch]

they made my lgbt rep commit MASS HOMICIDE...

[supple bluff]

Me and my friend are fighting about this

Who would win Deku or Yharim

[swift ferry]

God forbid a queer makes a few mistakes 🙄

[supple bluff]

Please I need to win this argument

[spare pier]

Deku

[supple bluff]

:(

But he doesn't have auric

Or exo tech

How would he even hit Yharim

[spare pier]

It doesn't matter he'd still fuck up the armor and tank it

[supple bluff]

GODUH

[spare pier]

Deku's scaling far exceeds Cal's

[supple bluff]

But like the sword and shit

Levels cities and stuff

This is the worst day of my life

[spare pier]

Deku cleared the skies of the entire world in a single punch

I think one of them has the stronger feat

[supple bluff]

What about Xeroc

[mighty zenith]

a person who doesnt care about powerscaling is a happy person

[supple bluff]

I'm going full force here

[mighty zenith]

😊

[hoary berry]

lea

[untold oracle]

They made my lgbt rep commit homicide only to be later KILLED by the PLAYER

[hoary berry]

[untold oracle]

Failure embodiment

[mighty zenith]

homicide? why would you kill homes :(

[hoary berry]

my home is 132 years old
killing it would probably be a mercy

i wanted to insult victorian architecture but then i remembered that some of the statues do look cool so i can’t bring myself to go through with it

[snow mountain]

vivec

[tall delta]

xeroc goes to space increases the intensity of the sun and boils everyone yay i love powerscaling

[analog robin]

Kinda wild how seamlessly Queen Slime fits into the lore

Like the Slime God already runs away when you defeat it so just make it a rematch

[swift ferry]

I like the eol lore addition just being like "Uhhhhh nuh uh she's not her name"

[pliant ruin]

~~ i wouldn't say that ~~

they made it fit into the lore and It Works but also queen slime is lame as fuck

i don't blame lore devs for this or anything but, to be honest, queen slime being slime god is, lame as fuck

it was the best way they could integrate it in the lore and for all its worth again i think it works but also you fight slime god and get a cool teaser of it running away, only for it to be a vanilla boss you already knew exists so any potential hype you could have is for nothing rly and the boss itself sucks ass

[mighty zenith]

the solution is to completely rework queen slime

(its not like anyone will miss it)

[plain crane]

the solution is to delete queen slime

filler boss with elden ring aoe making a fart noise on death

yippie

[proven rivet]

That sounds awful

[snow mountain]

i really hope that a small cutscene is added once you defeat the boss for the first time

idk if thats feasable since fabsol may have the same opinion as boss outros as he does intros

[obtuse crane]

queen slime phase 2

and its just

slime god but buffed with a hollow slime

[fierce pagoda]

Deku scrub vs Yharim who mogs

[thorny jasper]

I have lore question. Basically I was just told that Wrath of the gods isn't considered official canon calamity lore which makes sense, it used to make sense before the Noxus retcon cuz that tied WOG to canon calamity via lore, since Xeroc existed in both versions of the lore and even the Nameless diety was hinted at being Xeroc, but ever since the introduction of the Avatar the link just kinda broke. So my question is, is there any canon calamity in universe boss who will be after Yharim? Cuz even in the lore he's not exactly the strongest if you take into account ancient beings

[unborn wind]

xeroc and noxus are the only bosses who will possibly come after yharim

not guaranteed but its possible

[thorny jasper]

Fair

Would be nice to see Calamity devs tackle the Xeroc fight

But topping Nameless diety would be difficult

[unborn wind]

i dont think they need to be in opposition to eachother

worrying about outdoing fan content will kill the mod

[thorny jasper]

I'm kinda hoping WOG just kinda joins calamity, cuz they're building of the same foundation

[proven rivet]

Not rlly

WotG moved entirely away from Cal lore

[unborn wind]

it doesnt need to

[thorny jasper]

And WOG really outdid themselves with ND, so it would be cool to properly integrate it into Calamity

[proven rivet]

It would not fit and would require rewriting the lore entirely

[thorny jasper]

Clearly have talented devs who can help with calamity development is my point

[wheat walrus]

dawg the main dev for wotg has been a calamity dev in the past and left due to disagreements in the mod's direction

[proven rivet]

And it would also probably make Calbase hit over 1.000.000 MB

[unborn wind]

if wotg got officially implemented into calamity they would now suddenly need to explain why theres now this random "nameless deity" guy who isnt xeroc but was inspired by xeroc but xeroc is a different guy and also theres the avatar of emptiness but hes not noxus and oh yeah draedon had a fifth exo mech just sitting around or whatever happens in wotg i still havent finished it yet

[wheat walrus]

that and also how wotg is very much its own thing, generally speaking, it has a cal requirement but its story is quite separate as is its style

[cloud ibex]

in fact it's so separate it's entirely moving away from being a cal addon and just becoming its own thing instead

[wheat walrus]

lol

[sage berry]

Random question: is what we know as Moon Lord unique or is it of a species of creatures out there? I feel like the former is the answer but… just want to be sure

[dusk laurel]

we have no clue

although there are pillar enemies that resemble it

[sage berry]

Okay, I was thinking there was a form of answer out there on that one

[pliant ruin]

I mean yharim is like the 4th strongest still

hes pretty damn strong

[naive storm]

The top 3 would be xeroc, noxus and prime moon lord?

[pliant ruin]

not counting the terrarian who is you it's xeroc > prime ml > noxus > yharim yea

[sinful adder]

No they're not at all. WOG is not calamity and barely has anything to do with it. Any clickbait YouTubers saying it is are lying

[naive storm]

Wotg uses the old lore

[pliant ruin]

someone should make a calamity mod character tier list maker

[naive storm]

I would put boomer fishroom at the botom

Boring design, boring fight

The only thing it got is a banger theme

[pliant ruin]

Boring design

mf

guy has NOT seen the duke redesign

not to mention its lore is fucking awesome too

[plucky juniper]

What if we just reversed it? Make Slime God's first appearance being stuck in one of its Guardians, what we fight as the Queen Slime, then the Slime God flees afterwards.

(Yes, this would entail moving Slime God to a later position, which is gonna be tough...)

the easy idea would just to put it at the beginning of Post-Moon Lord, as the other Slime bosses are always at the beginnings of the two first sections, King at pre-Hardmode, Queen at Hardmode

but

well

there's already plenty of bosses at the beginning of post-moon lord

(it's almost as if game design is hard!)

[gloomy yacht]

Fun idea: instead of a third fight, slime god interferes with another boss fight after defeating slime queen and gets killed instantly

[young socket]

no it isnt we can just do stuff randomly and hope it works out

[real silo]

you should adopt this mentality for the roleplay

[plucky juniper]

(okay but Dragonfolly event idea has been floating around as an idea. If that ever becomes real, we have a perfect excuse to do the Slime God switcheroo, the easy way!)

[real silo]

if slime god is supposedly one of the weakest gods I don't think it would make sense putting it right behind providence

Yknow

[plucky juniper]

I suppose so

[young socket]

clearly queen slime is reworked to be slime god

[real silo]

True

Queeb slime and sg swapping places

[plucky juniper]

theres also an actual issue of what to do with the slot Slime God leaves behind

[real silo]

slime mortal boss

[plucky juniper]

see, part of my distaste towards slime god becoming queen slime is that it completely neuters Slime God's neat penultimate pre-hm boss status, which i thought he (before they decided to nuke his involvement in the fight thats named after him) did well at

its also the music

the music screams, "this is my last stand", not "Im gonna fuck off after this and be dealt with later"

[pliant ruin]

yeah slime god turning into qs is pretty anticlimatic

[plucky juniper]

its even worse, because hes supposed to be the first of the gods you fight at all, yknow the guys that Yharim, the main antagonist, explicitly has his goal being to kill them

and its not some after-effect of them, it's a god, through and through

[cunning flare]

Is the scal bossfight the first time she's ever actually lost a battle?

[plucky juniper]

I get it, they didn't want to move him later, it would be hard to figure this out, but the easy path was not at all the best path

[pliant ruin]

I wouldn't go as far as to say this

[cunning flare]

I thought Azufare was a draw

[pliant ruin]

Lore writers do not have absolute control over whether a boss gets moved or not

[plucky juniper]

this isnt just about lore

its about what to do with a boss

[pliant ruin]

I mean it literally is

[young socket]

it caused the death of her brothers, most the city's population and lead to The Most Traumatic Things Ever™️

[gloomy yacht]

It is, but Calamitas basically lost everything she had so I would say she lost on the long term

[pliant ruin]

If it wasn't for queen slime being a anticlimatic ending to slime god i don't think there'd be any potential reason to move it

as you said it yourself minus that part it's a very good way of ending pre hm with a nice capstone

[plucky juniper]

i know some goofball somewhere is gonna say "make him survive past queen slime and become goozma" or something

[young socket]

make him survive past queen slime and become goozma

:3

[plucky juniper]

:3

[real silo]

That's right tsuki you a goofball

[young socket]

NUH UH

[real silo]

but not just one

[young socket]

YOU A GOOFBALL

[pliant ruin]

just make it turn into uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[real silo]

you're ALL of the goofballs

CRYSTAL SLIME !!

[plucky juniper]

OH WAIT

[young socket]

why does it have cryo wings

[plucky juniper]

QUEEN SLIME IS GONNA BE EVEN MORE UNDERWHELMING

BECAUSE NEXT UPDATE

[real silo]

That's crystal shard colours

stuki

[plucky juniper]

THEY'RE GIVING ONE OF SLIME GOD'S PALADINS

WINGS

[young socket]

same thing

[pliant ruin]

tremode

[young socket]

ok but queen slime has large balls that bounce

does slime god have that

exactly

[spare pier]

Horrible descriptor

[young socket]

SHUT

💥

[plucky juniper]

[spare pier]

I think Cal does a fine enough job at making Queen Slime not be a dogshit fight while also making it feel like a decent-ish conclusion to Slime God, specially with some things we have in store for it

[young socket]

u should give queen slime rotating lasers

every good boss needs rotating lasers

[spare pier]

Could it be better? Yes but that would require completely changing everything about Slime God and Queen Slime and that's not worth it at all

[plucky juniper]

"Decent-ish"

🤣

its passable

[young socket]

yea its queen slime

[spare pier]

😐

[cunning flare]

Slime god is absurdly hard, and then queen slime is pathetically easy (as opposed to vanilla where queen slime is also absurdly hard)

[young socket]

FUCK queen slime all you do is give me armour and a summon weapon

[dusk laurel]

i think theres a very clear solution to this

[cunning flare]

To be fair, in vanilla, crystal assassin armor is the best pre-plantera armor

[spare pier]

"I should take a break from Discord today I think I'm stressing over a lot of stuff. When I'm back surely things will be better"

Anyways

[cunning flare]

In calamity, its value is severely diminished

[spare pier]

Queen Slime has enough stuff planned around it to be a decent finale to Slime God

[plucky juniper]

they did at least make it drop souls of light

so... at least you can just farm her

[young socket]

it isnt

adamantite is just better for most classes

[spare pier]

Contrary to popular belief, Queen Slime being not that impressive of a fight works better from a narrative standpoint because, to put it bluntly, it simply makes Slime God feel like a bum

[plucky juniper]

I don't think I like that angle.

I preferred when he, despite being weak, was still a cool fight.

[pliant ruin]

very unecessary and rude thing to do but ok

[cunning flare]

Dash is automatically better than any stats adamantite could possibly give. It frees up an accessory slot and it's infinitely better than shield of cthulu dash in all situations except phase 3 fishron.

The only reason it becomes obsolete post plantera is because that's when horizontal speed boost wings become available, remdering dashes obsolete altogether (except against phase 3 fishron).

[young socket]

ah yes the acc slot im totally using on soc

(i dont use soc)

[gloomy yacht]

Socks

[pliant ruin]

While i kind of understand that i feel like this dosen't really mesh with what is being presented ingame, atleast initially
Slime God has probably one of the most intense boss themes in the mod and definitely the most intense up until the point you fight it, besides the fact its well, the first god you fight, even if a relatively weak one
I like to think on a sort of like pluto. Yeah pluto is tiny as fuck compared to actual planets but when you compare it to the stuff thats around it its huge. I feel like slime god works best when, it's weak, yes, but still impressive for what it is
I can kinda get that angle though, the entire idea of a rly strong foe early on becoming kind of pathethic later down because you actively get stronger while it's just kind of a coward

i think to me, its not rly it being weak

its just the fact queen slime is basically a joke boss

everything from its aesthethics to the fart sound when it dies is just hard to take seriously to me

[long bloom]

very well put

[pliant ruin]

and yeah, the fact its a vanilla boss, which does definitely degrade from the hype of "oooo this boss is still alive and will probably come back later"

[young socket]

wats wrong with the aesthetic

[pliant ruin]

its literally glittery pink girlypop aesthethic, much like the entirety of the hallow its hard to take seriously for what it is

[gloomy yacht]

Queen slime is basically made to match with king slime, and king slime is a bum so

[plucky juniper]

i am now going to endlessly parrot this whenever i post my grievances about Slime God because you put this better than I ever could

[spare pier]

Make an opinion of your own once in your life, please

Anyways, back to what I'm writing

[plucky juniper]

And my opinion is now heavily informed by another's.

[young socket]

i dont see it that way

[plucky juniper]

We're talking about a """"Upgrade""""" for the Slime God

[spare pier]

The entire thing with Slime God is that they are the player's first show of what a God is, and that first impression has to land in order for people to buy into Yharim's narrative.

This is a creature who carries such a title, who wields the power of an auric soul, and his display is pathetic. Their Paladins are destroyed by you, they flee cowardly and in your next encounter they are ensnared in their own creation which is then promptly defeated by you.

This is a pathetic display, and shows the player that the title of a "God" carries nothing but expectations which can easily be shattered. The first time you see one it's a slimy bitch who runs away from you right as you get the chance to get them, and in your next encounter they are pathetically stuck in a creation of their own. There is nothing divine about the Slime God, be it their strength, display or even demeanor. This is what Yharim wants you to see.

Yes, Queen Slime is a joke boss, but we have been trying to change things around to make it less like that (for example I want to replace the death sound. VCMM offers a different song and Rev already gives Queen Slime a much better fight which while not as tense as Slime God fight it's still pretty decent).

[cunning flare]

Even the "it's easier because you got stronger" angle doesn't work because I'm pretty sure queen slime is still easier than slime god even if you limit yourself to only pre-slime god prehardmode gear.

[long bloom]

oh yeah that makes a lot of sense actually

[spare pier]

Tl;dr Queen Slime doesn't need to become much grander than it already is, it just needs to stop being a joke and that's something we'll work towards

Alongside adding some flair of our own

[cosmic zenith]

The world if Queen Slime didn't exist

https://tenor.com/view/mundo-feliz-onetreehsll-world-if-gif-14071235670792471304

[dusk laurel]

world peace

[spare pier]

I have to agree with that, even from a Vanilla perspective

That fight is abhorrent

[pliant ruin]

its true

[young socket]

real

[plucky juniper]

Yknow. Not too bad, actually. I still prefer the idea of Slime God being pretty cool, tho.

Godrick from Elden Ring is also supposed to be a pathetic loser amongst the shardbearers, and yet he puts up a pretty good and even somehow epic fight. He fucking takes the head off a probably dead dragon and makes it actually breathe fire, while also playing up the fact that he is also literally a deplorable piece of shit who nobody would mourn the death of.

[spare pier]

And is also put in a tier that simply does not need any more Bosses. Early Hardmode has you being assaulted by the Mechs, there's no need to have a Hallow Boss around there

[young socket]

imagine if like

crystal armour grew like crystal shards and u had to find it naturally

instead of fighting queen slime for it

[spare pier]

Empress of Light easily makes up for the Hallow not having a Boss since its inception

[pliant ruin]

i remmeber back when 1.4 was yet to release there was a fake leak or smth about the 2 bosses being a hallow fairyboss post plantera (turned out to be true) and the other boss would be a early hm BoC equivalent that was kind of a mech boss but of a different flavour being golden and adorned with jewels and could only be fought in the desert

the good timeline i think

[young socket]

hook of dissonance can also be grown like crystal shards since the tip of it is a crystal

[gloomy yacht]

I like the idea of Slime god basically being "pathetic" god, it's literally the whole point of slimes in general, they're the most basic kind of enemies, and slime god fleeing the first fight then dying because he couldn't flee in the rematch shows perfectly the point

[stark basalt]

slimy bitch is hilarious

[young socket]

gellatinious pillion can go die

[cunning flare]

The thing that makes this not land for me is: what makes slime god actually evil? Even the "Yharim thinks all gods are evil" argument doesn't really land because I don't think Yharim ever actually attempts to establish that slime god is bad, not even in terms of "it killed a dragon to become a god", so as far as we're concerned, we're attacking an entirely innocent creature unprovoked.

[pliant ruin]

dawg he jumps you

[plucky juniper]

oh yea

[plucky juniper]

Jumps?

[pliant ruin]

i mean yeah literally when you think about it bro is a slime

[young socket]

i mean he did use slimes to attack you

so yes

[plucky juniper]

All I did was craft the item that says in its description, "Summons Slime God"

[young socket]

he does jump you

[dusk laurel]

something something boss spawner

[plucky juniper]

Again, you gotta consider what a player is going to feel

When they

play

terraria

[young socket]

also like of course yharim thinks hes evil why wouldnt he

[pliant ruin]

and y ou gotta consider the mod is unfinished

[spare pier]

Yeah he jumps you + you are seeing through Yharim's propaganda. Consider that most players don't really care about the story and only really check it out superficially. To them Yharim will be right on the basis that Slime God is a pathetic creature

[pliant ruin]

[young socket]

why would sg be different

[pliant ruin]

i imagine sg will probably get different spawn methods when it gets its rework given

desert scourge is getting it

[plucky juniper]

and understand that sometimes your intent is going to severely clash with the actual game experience

[young socket]

also yharim also says that sg doesnt care about the onyx kinsmen

which is another way of him trying to make you hate sg

[spare pier]

That will take some more time but yeah we have something planned for that

[young socket]

other than The Genocide™️

[pliant ruin]

statis questline? 👁️

surely ...

[spare pier]

SG getting a new spawn method requires more stuff than we can afford to right now given

SSO

[cunning flare]

That's the thing, there is no propaganda to see through. At no point does Yharim ever attempt to claim that slime god is evil. It's not a matter of "he doesn't give evidence to support his argument", no, there flat out is no argument at all.

[plucky juniper]

im not going to assume a boss is jumping me if i am not seeing him jump me, but rather me using an item to summon them

[dusk laurel]

yharim literally says that all gods are evil

[spare pier]

^

[pliant ruin]

dude

[plucky juniper]

i need to be, yknow, ACTUALLY jumped to get that idea

[pliant ruin]

we are literally talking about how it'll get another spawn method later

💔

[young socket]

An old clan once revered this thing as a paragon of the balance of nature. Now its purity is sullied by freshly absorbed muck and grime.
The gelatinous being neither knows nor cares for the last surviving clansman.
Such tragedy is all too common in worship.
Alas, the Slime God is wise enough to be cowardly. Fleeing battles it cannot win when its servants are destroyed.
Perhaps fortune will favor you if you catch it unaware.

[cunning flare]

But where does he connect this to slime god?

[young socket]

and again

THE WHOLE GENOCIDE STUFF

[dusk laurel]

slime god is a god

[cunning flare]

Ah, forgot about that

[plucky juniper]

We don't know the part where people apparently GENOCIDED an entire class of dragons into effective extinction

[cunning flare]

Does he even mention the genocide stuff at that point in the game?

[plucky juniper]

we're literally pre-wall of flesh

[blissful tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/plastic-man-real-real-powder-powder-that-makes-you-say-real-animated-comic-plastic-man-gif-7493651428267836743

[young socket]

mf literally tells you the gods are evil in the evil boss items

😭

[dusk laurel]

yharim thinks and tells you all gods are evil
sg is a god
therefore yharim is implying that sg is evil, plus what others said about sg jumping you and not caring about its followers

[plucky juniper]

yes, but he just calls them evil. we dont know WHY so

[young socket]

like

[plucky juniper]

okay fair

[young socket]

that doesnt matter hes still telling you theyre fucking evil

[plucky juniper]

alright but whatever

[spare pier]

And up to that point you have no reason to believe otherwise when you see that their deaths created the evil biomes

[plucky juniper]

whats the slime god summon method rework planned to be

[dusk laurel]

i think theres a very good reason why she hasnt said it

[young socket]

sso...

[plucky juniper]

I think the issue is that there arent like, a lot of gods the player will actually meet up with. most of them are like, dead. There are literally ONLY two living gods that the player may even encounter, and I'm not sure if you'll meet another as some NPC somewhere in a later post-SSO update. Doing something like this may make sense if you're going to fight, say, 3 more gods afterwards, but there legitimately isn't much of them. Understandably, a consequence of writing lore for bosses that already existed in their current states, but still.

And yes, I understand the lack of God boss fights is because Yharim killed a lot of them. But still, you only get to fight TWO GODS. And one of them is at the low end, and the other at the high end.

It's... not very informative for the player.

[spare pier]

A bunch other Gods are still going to be relevant and show you different sides of the narrative, even if you don't get around fighting them

[wicked kraken]

can someone please explain cal clone

[plucky juniper]

Also byeah i still dont like slime god being not impressive, you can still make bums be cool
and besides, slime god was not originally supposed to be a bum (excluding the goozma part that made him as opposite of a bum as possible), his music tells you that

its.

so to go from that to "yeah he fucking bailed and now hes the (arguably) worst boss in vanilla too now"

[long bloom]

draedon made a clone of her in secret

cal found it and broke it out

it absorbed some of her power and memories somehow and went insane

[stuck shore]

Which Cal God would have a fitting fight similar to Touhou Remilia

[bold dragon]

Slime god

[stuck shore]

Like in his most powerful self?

[bold dragon]

Yes

[long bloom]

goozma....

[pulsar ocean]

Shi all gods must be evil if their deaths caused the evil biomes

Maybe yharim was right

[robust osprey]

the hallow in question:

[pulsar ocean]

Wouldn't quite call that biome good

[robust osprey]

are zombies good?

no

were the people that got converted into zombies good?

probably

[limpid saddle]

the unicorn about to maul me to death for enjoying a stroll in the the pastel forest:

[sinful adder]

Normal forests are like that, just with bears and wolves instead of unicorns

And there aren't that many of them

[bold dragon]

Nurse voodoo doll

[gloomy yacht]

At least you get to see rainbows

Given that npc's can life in the hallow, I'd say it's definitely not a straight up bad biome

[scenic olive]

Slime lore :

amoeba

[frosty charm]

How old is SCal

[cloud ibex]

Somewhere in her late twenties

[long bloom]

^

[cunning flare]

What's the difference between chlorophyte, perennial, and uelibloom?

[untold oracle]

Chlorophyte is the plant mineral thing, perennial is hardened silva essence iirc, and uelibloom is fossilised tree bark or smth (uelibloom is going to be removed)

[sinful adder]

They're all the same goddamn thing

There's three! Three different plant ores!

And also the terra set!

They should make all the perennial stuff be chlorophyte instead

[long bloom]

THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING

at least they're gonna make the terra stuff crafted with perennial jade

[pliant ruin]

perennial is also not going to be an ore anyways so

[crimson junco]

Gem and Bark

[snow mountain]

[pliant ruin]

new perennial wood furniture set surely ☝️

[snow mountain]

[snow mountain]

GIVE

[cloud ibex]

is new perennial gotten from like

harvesting trees or something

[snow mountain]

SPECIAL TREES

not those special trees, the other ones

[cloud ibex]

my beloved.............

❤️

[snow mountain]

glebacore

[cloud ibex]

i'm a rotmaxxing glebapilled agriculturecel

[snow mountain]

the eggs keep hatching and idk what to do about it

[cloud ibex]

in the incinerator they go

that's usually the solution when it comes to gleba

just toss it in a heating tower

excess spoilage? burn it

excess eggs? burn it

excess fruit? burn it

excess anything? burn it

[snow mountain]

true

draedon core

[cloud ibex]

the river must flow

[snow mountain]

one day i will get around to spriting xb-420 Dionysus

with 40 frames of lean brewing

[cloud ibex]

spidertron is incredibly draedoncore honestly

well minus the fish part but close enough

[pliant ruin]

supposedly ya

new trees in the new perennial grove biome or whtever

we have a singular sprite for it and its a snail

[cloud ibex]

wow it really is straight up gleba

that's kinda funny

[snow mountain]

WHERE

i will sprite the furniture

i jest

but

where

[pliant ruin]

looking for it gimme a bit

[sinful adder]

Wait 5 calamillion years and it will be in the game

Right after sunken sea overhaul part 2

[pliant ruin]

yep

snaile

the singular piece of currently public perennial grove biome content

snaile !

[cloud ibex]

snalechog

[snow mountain]

i don't like le shell

[sinful adder]

The shell doesn't really look at all like a shell

[pliant ruin]

assuming the perennial grove biome is added in a single minor update i doubt itll take as long as sunken sea overhaul lol
all i can see being particularly complicated is world gen but i wouldn't know given i don't code on tmod much less have coded worldgen code

[sinful adder]

It looks like a pile of rocks

[pliant ruin]

I think the shell is the yellow bit while the green is meant ot be a lotus flower

Admittedly it could be more readable imo

[sinful adder]

I assume it will be lumped in with a bunch of other stuff and take another 5 years

[snow mountain]

tis isn't readable at all

[snow mountain]

zrue, overscoping

[pliant ruin]

I figure it'll get tweaks when they actually get to working on the biome given this was just a random sprite shown

probably just a basic concept if anything

[snow mountain]

the only bit of future content that i genuinely dislike is the hpu gem biome

it has no reason to exist

[sinful adder]

Yeah I can't even remotely read this as a snail shell

Gem biome?

[snow mountain]

the pink one

[pliant ruin]

hpu biome

[sinful adder]

Never heard of it

But it sounds like it should be out of scope

[snow mountain]

its literally self-insert content and adds nothing

actual epitome of scope creep

what a calamity

[pliant ruin]

i don't really care about it even if im pretty sure its literally just self insert content provided provided it dosen't detract from the rest of development which it seemingly won't given how tiny it is and i think its only hpu is working on it anyways

[snow mountain]

i mean its literally just bloat

[sinful adder]

I would prefer they be working on something else instead

[snow mountain]

sure it may only take a week or two but

that could be spent on something more important, yeah

[sinful adder]

Like, I'm not the one helping contribute

But calamity does this too often

[pliant ruin]

..Self insert biomes?

[long bloom]

here

[pliant ruin]

This is the only one actually sorry

Assuming that's what it is which admittedly yeah p sure it is

[sinful adder]

I mean it does look pretty cool

[snow mountain]

AA disease...

[pliant ruin]

I don't really care about it because calamity is a nonpaid passion project and i think its fine for the devs to do random shit they find to be fun sometimes

[long bloom]

pepto bismol

[pliant ruin]

As long as it is not majorly harming the development for other developers and the community i think it's fine

[sinful adder]

But you could just recolor it to be part of the hallow or sunken sea

It is ultimately not the biggest deal

[long bloom]

the underground needs a little more variety anyway

[pliant ruin]

Like would i spend time making this sort of thing if i owned a mod? no not really and it is a bit of a weird thing to do imho but i mean i cant rly see anything explicitly wrong with it

it's just kinda nothingburger i think

my only stance on it is that it's funny to say hpu biome

hpu biome

[dusk laurel]

this couldve been an aether expansion

[pliant ruin]

hey it could probably be that maybe

[long bloom]

maybe it is

[wheat walrus]

hpu biome

[long bloom]

we don't know

[snow mountain]

nothing screams shimmer

[wheat walrus]

heart plus biome

[pliant ruin]

wouldnt be surprised if hpu biome was related to shimmer

i'm excited for the tundra guys tbh

tobias cooked with their sprites

[snow mountain]

tobias always delivers

[pliant ruin]

true...

[dusk laurel]

delicious sprites

[pliant ruin]

i hope the fucking uhh ice guys

cryons

get some sort of ai rework bc theyre rly bland rn

i'm fine with ice claspers tho

[snow mountain]

you could say that for like 90% of cal enemies tbh

[sinful adder]

You could also just

[pliant ruin]

would be a tad underwhelming for such a cool looking sprite to be used on literally just a reskinned zombie

[sinful adder]

Remove them

[pliant ruin]

why though

they got a cool ass resprite

[sinful adder]

Oh they did huh

[dusk laurel]

i love fighter ai

[long bloom]

here 2

[pliant ruin]

i think it'd be cool if it had a stabbing motion of sorts with its big ice arm

liek it dettaches it and tries stabbing you with it

[snow mountain]

actually cooking for fissure's ice biome content holy shit

[pliant ruin]

that is basically just a fighter ai with more reach but still it'd be atleast more novel

[long bloom]

sword arms are peam

[pliant ruin]

another way i can see of making it marginally more interesting is makign it a relatively strong enemy and making it so it camouflages as just like, ice rocks on the ground

then when you get close it forms and attacks you

would add a bit of a fun twist to it

cryon jumpscare

would be really easy to code too methinks

[snow mountain]

can confirm

i've made stuff like this

state machines my beloved

[pliant ruin]

state machines <3

[snow mountain]

i really hope cryogen gets a decent design and more lore

[pliant ruin]

it's honestly not that hard to brainstorm simple ways of making enemies marginally more interesting with little interactions like these i wish both vanilla and cal did it more

like you don't need the omega scope creep destroyer of souls concept to make a enemy more interesting all the time

there's usually ways of making things more interesting that requires little work

[snow mountain]

draedon-worshipping mole people

[pliant ruin]

can we make this viral

[snow mountain]

i need this for one of the labs

theres like one terminal or lightbulb and they vehemently attack you to defend it

cus its light

they'd also use pilfered arsenal weapons

and have a 5% chance of blowing themselves up when firing

[pulsar ocean]

asbestos biome

[untold oracle]

deep inhale

[faint plank]

horrifying

[rotund shore]

That's a good point actually
Fighter AI is already the most used enemy AI we don't need this cool fella on that list as well

[silent warren]

maybe once you get it down to like half health the head pops out and it turns into a mini Cryogen or something

[pliant ruin]

imagine having that cool ass sprite and just being a recolored zombie aug h

[young socket]

fighter ai with more reach already exists...

zombie arm zombie...

[pliant ruin]

yea but thats like a lame

[long bloom]

the distortion is a fucked up eldrich sub dimension where devourer of gods lives
also noxus, signus and storm weaver

the dragon's aerie is the sacred birthplace of the dragons and where yharim is currently hiding

at the grave of light, where xeroc killed zeratros

nobody except yharim, yharon and xeroc know where the aerie is and how to get there

[mighty zenith]

ok

[long bloom]

garbo cmon man you were there

don't do me like that

[mighty zenith]

no idea what you mean

strange user

🚶

[long bloom]

[cosmic zenith]

That would unironically be kinda peak

[pliant ruin]

the moles

the moles are real

[snow mountain]

i mean it would A. show the decline of the lab in question B. represent how widespread and easy to use (early-level, primitive to current draedon tech) crusade tech was, indicative of it being mass produced - hinting at the size of the crusade itself

also i like mole people

you could do some cool environmental storytelling with all the labs

which would do a lot of heavy lifting and prevent any annoying exposition

also it would be cool to explore

[clever raft]

Ts Is why i love infernum

[snow mountain]

nah infernum sucks

[clever raft]

Whaaa

[snow mountain]

it just does

[clever raft]

Whyy

[snow mountain]

• primis overuse, shit boss fights

[long bloom]

what's primis

[young socket]

fancy code name for shaders

[long bloom]

oh yeah that

[dusk laurel]

i dont think infernum changes any normal enemy ai

its just bosses

[young socket]

abyss

[dusk laurel]

only the abyss

[long bloom]

lionfish

[clever raft]

Thats what i meant with why i like infernum

I rly like infernum enemies ia and eco system

[long bloom]

well good news

i think they're adding enemy interactions to sunken sea creatures

[robust osprey]

it does change the elementalsand evil/hallow mimics which is the closest to normal enemy

[pulsar ocean]

Infernum abyss should be in basecal

[long bloom]

no

please no

[latent bolt]

not interested
if basecal was to tweak the abyss, itd prolly have to do something different

[plucky juniper]

It’s a good basis, but I feel like it would have to be different

at the very least, I fw widening the abyss significantly

it adds a lot of space to add stuff there

[magic epoch]

the only abyss expansion i want is eidolon wyrm attack expansion please

[final bison]

the fuck is lunatic cultist about

like the hell is his whole purpose here

other than being what his name entails

[spring helm]

maintaining the seal on Moon Lord

[supple bluff]

Aren't they also trying to resurrect an Auric dragon

[pliant ruin]

What does infernum have to do with anything i said

i didnt even mention boss fights at all

[clever raft]

the abyss rework

how the enemies ai and ecosystem is pretty well made

[pliant ruin]

tthats also not related to what i was talking about though

😭

[clever raft]

"making enemies marginally more interesting with little interactions"

[pliant ruin]

i do not think making enemies hunt eachother and having a entire dedicated food chain system is a little interaction no

[clever raft]

its a lot of little interactions combined to make the ecosystem

[pliant ruin]

i was talking specifically about small, easy to implement stuff

a entire ecosystem is not a small easy to implement thing

[wheat walrus]

"take monster hunter for example"

[naive storm]

Im dont get the hype with monster hunter

I tried playing monster hunter world

And i couldnt play for like 20 minutes

[wheat walrus]

you need motivation, vergil

[naive storm]

Monster hunter didnt gave me alot of motivation

And i just bought doom dark ages

Peak game

[wheat walrus]

mood ark dages

[naive storm]

?

[wheat walrus]

ood mark dages

I'm js playing around w the letters

[jaunty wraith]

Okay so shadowspec/dev weapons are not Canon

But what about irridecent Excalibur? They changed to the recipe to not require shadowspec but instead miracle matter and ashes of ahnilation

[pliant ruin]

it's canon i guess

not like it means much but yea

[jaunty wraith]

That's such a very specific chance that doesn't alter progression in any way

[stray tapir]

Guys what infrume mod change

[jaunty wraith]

You still need to beat exo mechs and calamitas to get it

So the only reason they would change the recipe is to make it canon

[magic epoch]

i recommend asking in #calamity-addon-talk

[cloud ibex]

Probably in the camp of “I mean I guess this is something the Terrarian could in theory make in-universe but it’s not like it has much of a lore impact” like the other 90% of the items in this game

[pliant ruin]

ye p much

[neat tinsel]

except if you’re playing hunt of the old god

[magic epoch]

who is the old god and why are we hunting them

[real silo]

Because he's old

[robust osprey]

we hate grandpas

the terrarian is you except you hate grandpas

[pliant ruin]

i HATE old people

[radiant mulch]

im sorry

[cosmic minnow]

It’s gooze

[ashen crescent]

slime god but buff

[pulsar ocean]

Slime God if it hit the gym

[untold oracle]

What if draedon programmed the perfect addictive mobile game cashgrab to fund his research

[magic epoch]

why does he need to fund it

[long bloom]

money can be exchanged for goods and services

[magic epoch]

i mean more idont think he needs to pay to get sufficient goods and services

[long bloom]

why

[magic epoch]

id imagine he collects the materials himself

[long bloom]

doesn't he have like teams of scientists though

i don't think they'd work for free

[pulsar ocean]

why

cant he clone himself

500 times

[long bloom]

yeah but that's probably more expensive than just hiring people

[pulsar ocean]

do you think draedon pays above minimum wage

[spare pier]

You guys realize that Draedon can just sell his inventions, right?

[long bloom]

rebecca jumpscare

[robust osprey]

thanatos at 599,999.99 USD

[limpid saddle]

Yeah also

why would he need a team of scientists?

for anything?

ever?

[long bloom]

with more people you can research multiple things at the same time

[limpid saddle]

He can do that already though

With his hundreds of duplicate bodys & legion of automated drones

[long bloom]

^

[limpid saddle]

For Draedon?

No way

[spare pier]

Also Draedon even mentions multiple times that he can't think of everything

Having other people that aren't him around still helps

Any creative process becomes significantly better the more minds are working on it

[limpid saddle]

Given the current level Draedon is on compared to society, wouldn't any average joe or smart joe still require years of schooling to understand the things Draedon figured out centuries ago though?

[spare pier]

That's not how science works

Draedon still uses the same fundamentals everyone has been using

If a person knows how to do calculus they can help him just fine if he hands them the equation

And if that person is a quarter as smart as Draedon they can still be worth to catch any mistakes or suggest improvements

Draedon is the smartest thing on the planet, but he isn't all knowing. He can still make mistakes and he doesn't operate on a higher level of thinking or whatever

[tranquil seal]

Thats like asking a toddler to fact check your quantum physics though

[young socket]

its literally not

[limpid saddle]

A very reasonable comparison but I think the idea is the aid is generally put into facets of science he hasnt forged such an immaculate mastery of like engineering & electronics

[proven rivet]

Draedon is smart, a toddler is stupid