I wonder if any spoilers could be relevant to these topics....
#lore-discussion
cosmic zenith
robust osprey
š„ŗ
spare pier
A lot of things look like dinossaurs 
robust osprey
well that's true
magic epoch
you don't know this but i actually look like a dinosaur
pulsar ocean
Whether dinosaurs existed is very important to the lore in my humble opinion
pliant ruin
i mean theres several other forms of prehistoric life in cal
and the baby dinosaur pet
and we're getting pterosaur enemies
so
yeah probably
magic epoch
bold dragon
10 years old kid the most efficient weapon against villain
magic epoch
If that's your oc!
pulsar ocean
How old is the terrarian
Older than 2
pulsar ocean
<:theterrarianisyou:1340374287277621329>
No the terrarian is a character in the video game terraria by relogic I cannot be the terrarian cuz I'm 3d and terrarian is 2d
magic epoch
No the terrarian is a character in the video game terraria by relogic I cannot b...
check again
stark basalt
What happened to the calamity lore faq doc? Not an urgent question btw, just curious.
robust osprey
No the terrarian is a character in the video game terraria by relogic I cannot b...
sure, 2d person in my phone screen
bold dragon
sure, 2d person in my phone screen
I'm 1d person
robust osprey
I will give you another d
magic epoch
surgery?
stuck shore
I'm 1d person
Iām a 0.5D guy
spare pier
I'm regretting all of my decisions as I watch just how many topics I made for Amidias
dusk laurel
life goals
robust osprey
amidias the yap king?
spare pier
Writing at least one today
pulsar ocean
Did the sunken sea sunk after calamitas sunkened the sea or naturally
robust osprey
sunken in sand
pulsar ocean
Quicksand got the sea
pulsar ocean
the sea isnt sunken because it was always there
Wait
Wait
So the sunken sea was always in the middle of the underground desert
pulsar ocean
Why is it sunken if it should be called shrunken
bold dragon
Did the sunken sea sunk after calamitas sunkened the sea or naturally
I think your question answered the question
pulsar ocean
did it
sinful adder
Calamitas sunk it by nuking everything that wasn't at the bottom
Although it was always sort of sunken because it was underground
The surface desert was there, but the entire underground desert was ocean
sinful adder
mighty zenith
the guy
sinful adder
I found him in the nothing
long bloom
Can't wait to see him in all his blue glory
what are you talking about
that's the sprite
final version
wheat walrus
baron
long bloom
sinful adder
Oh I didn't know someone else already contrastified it
formal shore
Is there a reason we don't or can't eat Yharons Auric soul after beating him? Is it because since He's the phoenix dragon and is reborn before we can. We get fragments of the soul though.
cloud ibex
for one his domain means that every time he dies, his soul instant transmissions into the Dragon Aerie, only leaving behind small shavings (which are the ones you craft with)
cloud ibex
but there's also the fact that you don't know the ritual, and there's nobody left on the planet who knows and would have a reason to tell you
young socket
not to mention the complications of being a god
cloud ibex
but from a meta perspective it's because the devs wouldn't want to decide your godly domain for you when it's supposed to depend on your personality, in the player's case being something you're meant to decide
and also absorbing the soul would auric springlock yharim and lead to a very unsatisfying ending
final bison
hey uh
can someone show me the old duke resprite?
i just wanna remind myself how bad of a resprite it is
cloud ibex
what
formal shore
but from a meta perspective it's because the devs wouldn't want to decide your g...
Aaah I see, makes sense. Maybe when the mod is complete it'd be a fun Post-game consumable, with class specific variants to give somewhat of a choice.
final bison
it supposed to be like an acidic disgusting dragon because it is a dragon
but holy fuck dude he has DUKE in his name
cloud ibex
Aaah I see, makes sense. Maybe when the mod is complete it'd be a fun Post-game ...
probably not
final bison
why are you trying to NOT make it like duke fishron
cloud ibex
another aspect is that they don't know how they'd implement ascension in-game without it feeling underwhelming
i think HotOG lets you "absorb" yharon's (and goozma's) soul but it only gives you a small stat buff or whatever
calm patio
it supposed to be like an acidic disgusting dragon because it is a dragon
its a draconic offshoot iirc
young socket
why are you trying to NOT make it like duke fishron
because not only is that boring as fuck, with making it not look like the standard fishron, you can show how much the lineage has changed from its originator
cloud ibex
and it's supposed to feel much more impactful than that
young socket
i think HotOG lets you "absorb" yharon's (and goozma's) soul but it only gives y...
3% damage!!!!!
final bison
like THAT IS NOT A DUKE
cloud ibex
why are you trying to NOT make it like duke fishron
because he won't be named Old Duke anymore i think
final bison
NOR A FISHRON
calm patio
i just said it above
young socket
yes that is the point
calm patio
theyre an offshoot
young socket
final bison
i still hate the resprite
bold dragon
but there's also the fact that you don't know the ritual, and there's nobody lef...
Yharim
formal shore
I see the resemblance, and It would make sense as a link on how the Fishrons evolved from the dragons.
calm patio
i still hate the resprite
unfortunate, get used to it
everything has to change at some point 
final bison
yharon:
formal shore
i still hate the resprite
Learn how to mod the old one back in, or get someone else to in an addon.
cloud ibex
yharim would probably crush your head with his own bare hands if you asked him how the ritual goes
bold dragon
> and would have a reason to tell you
I'm chill and i wouldn't tell anybody i swear *twisting finger behind my back *
calm patio
he doesnt know
cloud ibex
he doesn't know...
young socket
Learn how to mod the old one back in, or get someone else to in an addon.
that wont rlly work because the fight is gonna need to change somewhat for the enlargened sprite, so ur just gonna make the fight easier
formal shore
yharim would probably crush your head with his own bare hands if you asked him h...
It'd be funny if hypothetically ascending gave you a lore piece of Yharim cursing you out.
cloud ibex
would be odd considering he'd be dead
bold dragon
yharim would probably crush your head with his own bare hands if you asked him h...
Like heya so how is it going how's your day mr yharim so how do u slip into yharon home
cloud ibex
the only reason yharim can wear his armor is because his soul is attuned to Yharon's
formal shore
Written before he died just incase/j (Idk the exacts of the lore bits)
young socket
Written before he died just incase/j (Idk the exacts of the lore bits)
the whispers r given to u in real time
theyre not pre recorded messages
formal shore
I see I see, I never understood exactly what they were But I think I get it.
bold dragon
Immagine yharim goes like curse you seishin the Terrarian
young socket
Whispers of snowfa
explode
cloud ibex
they're weird and not really explained right now but they might be reworked in the future to be basically a magical phone he uses to call you and monologue whenever he feels like it
real silo
bakatsuki
young socket
ur stupid
strange stump
dusk laurel
but holy fuck dude he has DUKE in his name
Guess what's happening to that
deft vessel
His new name will be just Old
bold dragon
His new name will be just Old
Well let's change his name into old baron
He got demoted
young socket
you know he isnt a very nice dragon
so lets change it further
to
hmm
banished baron perhaps?
bold dragon
banished baron perhaps?
Old peasant
magic epoch
banished baron perhaps?
chat is this a reference
bold dragon
chat is this a reference
Menacing
magic epoch
i prefer warding
bold dragon
i prefer warding
Mudamudamudamudamuda
gritty kraken
banished baron perhaps?
Heās more like a champion Ngl
Champion of Fishron I think
bold dragon
Fun fact muda means young in indonesia
So dio and giorno basically said youngyoungyoungyoung
Instead of the usual translation of uselessuselessuselessuseless
limpid saddle
I dont see why the 'Duke' part would be removed
snow mountain
he's more of a duke
limpid saddle
I assumed they would go the Dark Souls route of [CHARACTER NAME], [NOUN/VERB] OF [PLACE]
snow mountain
more than
limpid saddle
what do you guys think is more important to Old Duke's name
1ļøā£ Old
2ļøā£ Duke
snow mountain
1
bold dragon
what do you guys think is more important to Old Duke's name
1ļøā£ Old
2ļøā£ Duke
Duke
young socket
0
dusk laurel
I dont see why the 'Duke' part would be removed
because its getting renamed
formal shore
I assumed they would go the Dark Souls route of [CHARACTER NAME], [NOUN/VERB] OF...
Elderron Lord of Sulphur
(Elder-Fishron)
Baron of Sulphur even
bold dragon
Baron of Sulphur even
Stinky boomer
bold dragon
because its getting renamed
I suggest that name
Sulphur smelly and old duke is old
So i suggest stinky boomer
spare pier
I already have a rename for Old Duke in mind
It's more or less the same thing but still feels a lot different
"Old Duke" is all things considered a very apt descriptor
sharp thunder
take a page out of jojo localizationās book āelder dukeā
real silo
elder fluke
pliant ruin
fucking zipper man
real silo
grand viscount
pliant ruin
filthy acts at a reasonable price
wish i was joking that is literally the localized d4c name
cosmic zenith
NOR A FISHRON
That is, in fact, a Fishron
They've existed for over two thousand years and have ever since dwindled in draconic heritage, no wonder present Fishrons look different
Not to mention how, at its conception, Fish/ron is just fish + dragon
It's also a terrible design decision to have a boss that closely resembles another
snow mountain
also because the boss itself sucks rn
the resprite is kinda peak just for differentiating it alone
pliant ruin
It's also a terrible design decision to have a boss that closely resembles anoth...
i mean i disagree
u can have similar bosses and have it be done well
in old dukes case its not done particularly well though
cosmic zenith
Yeah
There are exceptions, but it's usually not a good choice
pliant ruin
refighting a earlygame boss's much more powerful version in the lategame is a great way to show how much the player has progressed in strenght per example
cosmic zenith
It's a bit shallow if they're too similar though, in comparison to more unique approaches
pliant ruin
in dukes case its lame though because not only duke fishron itself is a lame design at a base level but also it dosen't really feel unqiue because there's already other bosses that use traces of the duke fishron ai
snow mountain
the resprite is kinda peak just for differentiating it alone
my one gripe with it is that i kinda liked old duke's ourple beard
snow mountain
in dukes case its lame though because not only duke fishron itself is a lame des...
fabsol boss ai for you
cosmic zenith
my one gripe with it is that i kinda liked old duke's ourple beard
True
snow mountain
of cthulhu
cloud ibex
wish i was joking that is literally the localized d4c name
should've been deeds for cheap
real silo
That discussion was funny as hell I can't lie
snow mountain
Calmain try to not go 2 seconds without complaining about Boss AI
arguably the second most prevalent issue in the mod
inescapable rn
cus its literally a boss rush
spare pier
Cool we can talk about other things
I don't want to open this server and the first thing I see is "Boss bad am I right?"
pliant ruin
nobody even brought it up
spare pier
Because that's half of the subjects I see in this server and it gets really tiring
snow mountain
old duke was brought up
cloud ibex
incattus did
pliant ruin
like Nobody is Talking About Boss AI
snow mountain
eh, fair enough
spare pier
fabsol boss ai for you
Guess I'm seeing things then
snow mountain
whuh
spare pier
Whatever, I just want to make my complaint heard that I'm tired of opening this server and half the time it's people talking about Boss AI and it's really tiring
cloud ibex
can we just move on from this please
spare pier
Yes
cloud ibex
not particularly fond of arguments about it either
snow mountain
so anyway as i was saying, the ourple beard is peak and i need it in my life again
real silo
bayle duke
spare pier
idk whether yharim is a tea or coffee person
Tea
spare pier
Because tea is GOOD
snow mountain
Because tea is GOOD
heaven-sent take
pliant ruin
isnt old duke already burnt
snow mountain
my deliverance
real silo
have you ever tasted bandung
pliant ruin
bro has no hair
snow mountain
isnt old duke already burnt
cook him more
dusk laurel
bro has no hair
the last bit of hair is the beard
real silo
Is that nyx broskies
pliant ruin
he used to be fluffy and such but then he said nah nvm and decided to live in the sulphur sea and all of his hair burned away except his beard
he became bald
holy shit
snow mountain
he lives in a burning ocean
snow mountain
at least scald him a little
pliant ruin
THATS WHY HES A SLAVIST TYRANT
dusk laurel
š
snow mountain
some third degree burns
pliant ruin
HES FRUSTRATED WITH HIS HAIR LOSS
sharp thunder
Wow yharim is briiths?
his witch child soldier is
pliant ruin
she is NOT british
real silo
she is azafurian which is not a real country
pliant ruin
adds british calamitas headcanon to my pile of evil headcanons that go to hell
sharp thunder
the implication here being in the terraria unIverse brits hail from hell itself
spare pier
The funniest part is that in terms of european colonizers the spanish are 50 times more evil than every other nation combined so make of that what you will
dusk laurel
they got too evil and then died of a stroke
real silo
that's 2 letters
pliant ruin
im stupir
real silo
Stinkheese
spare pier
And you know what, I want opinions anyways
snow mountain
The funniest part is that in terms of european colonizers the spanish are 50 tim...
this is true,
real silo
old duke name reveal ?
snow mountain
their greatest atrocity however is the invention of patagonian welsh
spare pier
I said I had a rename for OD, which yeah I spent a long ass time thinking about because all things considered, "Old Duke" is a very apt descriptor for what this thing is and implies everything you need to know about it in a very concisive manner
snow mountain
baron of significant age
real silo
Ancient lord
spare pier
So it took me a while to come up with something, but ultimately, thanks to Max0r's Elden Ring video
real silo
Wait
spare pier
I finally came up with something
real silo
Old lord
snow mountain
noble of substantial weathering
pliant ruin
Here it comes
snow mountain
high lord wolnir
dusk laurel
prepare thyself
snow mountain
wrinkly noble
spare pier
See, the first thing I thought about was when Max0r had Bayle be called "King of Drakes"
So I thought
Ok, just replace "Drake" with "Fishron"
King of Fishrons
snow mountain
fishy ronald
real silo
King of the monsters ahh
spare pier
But that's just the first half. OD is the king, yes, but he's also y'know
sharp thunder
Is that nyx broskies
also hai 
spare pier
Old and stinky and shitty
real silo
He better have a fucked up crown
real silo
also hai <a:Wave:1068558029974425651>
You are not nyx broskies sorry
Got the wrong person
spare pier
So I spent a while tryin to figure out an adjective that referred not only to age, but also to demeanor
sharp thunder
spare pier
And that's when I came up with it
dusk laurel
šļø
spare pier
The Decrepit King of Fishrons
real silo
Viruler of fishrons
dusk laurel
The Decrepit King of Fishrons
š
real silo
Dam
cloud ibex
Grandpa
pliant ruin
Thjt seems like a very long name
spare pier
Then I talked to some people and everyone said that the second half made it too long
So I settled with simply
real silo
Just remove the the
spare pier
The Decrepit King
snow mountain
baron would work better imo
real silo
Baron like
cloud ibex
i like that
real silo
Balala
dusk laurel
we dont need more baron strait propaganda
cloud ibex
baron harkonnen dune
sharp thunder
sovereign of sulfur
dusk laurel
storm ruler
real silo
rp brianrot
spare pier
The funniest part is that "The Decrepit King" is basically just "Old Duke" but a lot fancier
snow mountain
where is young duke
real silo
Ok but will he get a proper name like yharboy
spare pier
Nope
snow mountain
Ok but will he get a proper name like yharboy
noe
real silo
Damn
cloud ibex
where is young duke
they left him back in 1.3 tmod
spare pier
Honestly I might even remove the "the" part and just leave it as "Decrepit King"
pliant ruin
Does he actually have no name or is it simply something we'll never learn ingame
Knowing old duke i would not be suprised if he had a name at one point but it was lost to time and his legendary title became more of a name than his actual name
cloud ibex
at least i think so i'd assume piss and shit never got ported
snow mountain
wrinkly monarch
spare pier
Does he actually have no name or is it simply something we'll never learn ingame...
It's the latter, pretty much
dusk laurel
Does he actually have no name or is it simply something we'll never learn ingame...
he had a name until his dad disowned him
š
pliant ruin
It's the latter, pretty much
makes sense
snow mountain
are you sure
pliant ruin
I am so lonely. All the other fishrons are afraid of me.
real silo
I'm sure I forgot yes
snow mountain
fucking hell i haven't even seen invincible but its brainwormed its way into me
pliant ruin
man i like how old duke was just like some creature animal guy and now hes a whole ass war criminal
sharp thunder
stand ready for my arrival bloodworm
spare pier
Byeah, I do have forty quadrillion titles for Old Duke on store that I want to use somewhere but when it comes to a proper name which people widely use
real silo
stand ready for my arrival bloodworm
Ture
spare pier
King of Fishrons is that
pliant ruin
like you literally fished bro out with a worm he was literally just some animal some creature even
now he uses children as disposable bombs
dusk laurel
me when my great great great great grandfather uses me as cannon fodder
pliant ruin
ok true but back then you could justify it as some fucked up natural method of self defense since duke fishron does it too
but now bro is just evil
real silo
ping of dishrons
pliant ruin
talking about which
why does my guy duke fishron do that
thats fucked up
do all fishrons just blow their children up as a self defense method
dusk laurel
like father like son
spare pier
Another thing I like is how Duke Fishron is often just shortened to, well
Duke
And now you can shorten OD to just
King
dusk laurel
thats double the letters
snow mountain
fishman
spare pier
I like using "king" in particular exactly because it's the highest nobility one can be
snow mountain
the god in question:
spare pier
God isn't nobility
dusk laurel
emperor
pliant ruin
God isn't nobility it's god
cloud ibex
he's the first member of the fishron crew
snow mountain
oh yeah
snow mountain
what is the fishron lanky kong equivalent
pliant ruin
to kick some terrarian
real silo
or you can shorten it to DK
Donkey kong
pliant ruin
what is the fishron lanky kong equivalent
young duke
cloud ibex
yes that is the joke thank you alt
real silo
You're welcome
snow mountain
young duke
i miss him every day
spare pier
Byeah, I'm proud of what I came up with for OD's rename
snow mountain
overdose š
spare pier
It's a very good continuation of Duke's naming scheme in a way that doesn't feel super obvious
Context also makes it obvious what he's the king of
Either Sulphurous Sea or Fishrons are right
snow mountain
fish fingers
pliant ruin
yeah i was abt to say
snow mountain
FISHRON FINGERS
pliant ruin
it could be ambiguous beetween the fishrons or the sulph sea
but that works bc i mean
he is
for both of them
dusk laurel
i wonder if we'll get a new npc if the od questline becomes a thing
spare pier
I'm gonna be straight to the point here
No
Because I want to use the Bandit for that
dusk laurel
oh right
pliant ruin
bandit lore
dusk laurel
i forgot they were gonna be for that
pliant ruin
it feels kind of odd for the bandit to get a questline to me since theyre sort of in the same boat as the vanilla npcs and it kinda raises the question of why they'd be the only one to get one but it's not really much off a serious problem it just feels strange to me
real silo
Unlimited questlines
spare pier
it feels kind of odd for the bandit to get a questline to me since theyre sort o...
Counterpoint: They are a Calamity NPC
pliant ruin
they are yeah but most of the other cal npcs are like actually plot relevant characters iwth proper names and backstories while bandit is more on the vanilla npc boat of being kind of just [profession] and selling stuff related to it
i feel like if bandit were to get a proper questline they could maybe atleast be expanded a little on
pliant ruin
for one i'd give them an actual name atleast
but i mean
there's
the donor npc names
so not like that can happen
dusk laurel
the consequences of donor content
young socket
dont do that
real silo
I didn't know you were a donor
pliant ruin
they call me the donorslayer
im like
the doomslayer
but for donors
sorry tahtsw mean.
real silo
how does it feel without a kidney
pliant ruin
yeah i think that too given all of the merchants despite having different names look and act the exact same
i just headcanon that they dont die
spare pier
And like, wow how convenient that there is an endless supply of werewolf girls huh?
real silo
They "die" and have to forge a new identity every time
young socket
And like, wow how convenient that there is an endless supply of werewolf girls h...
wats even worse is said werefox girl also has a brother, which is the golfer
real silo
Wdym why are you calling me steve I'm brian
pliant ruin
there is a endless supply of werewolf girls with a interest in zoology who have a brother whos a golfer and who gets lost at the underground desert
robust osprey
endless supply of goblin inventors who got tied underground
robust osprey
ITS A WERE
okay but shimmered zoologist
magic epoch
wats even worse is said werefox girl also has a brother, which is the golfer
my brotha has a very special attack
sage berry
Quick question: I remember at some point hearing that the Devourer can gain strength from what it consumesā¦ is this accurate in the modern context or at all?
cloud ibex
na
old lore thing
right now he just eats godly essence and dumps it... somewhere in the distortion
sage berry
Okay wasnāt sure, I jsut remembered that and wanted to check on the idea.
spice sphinx
whos wulfrum and why did he left all his shi to botherr me
hoary cape
Wulfrum is just stuff made by an unknown scientist iirc
long bloom
john wulfrum
clever raft
Draedon produest piece of work, wulfrum
magic epoch
ā
clever raft
ā
magic epoch
isn't wulfrum not made by draedon
cloud ibex
if he made it you would instantly explode the moment one appeared on-screen
i doubt he'd be satisfied with the subpar performance they put on
hoary cape
draedon wouldn't dare make something that lame
cloud ibex
das what i'm sayin
scenic olive
draedon wouldn't dare make something that lame
Its not lame
sinful adder
Wulfrum is just stuff made by an unknown scientist iirc
No, it's made by almost everyone. It's the level of tech most of the world has
I think
swift badger
i doubt he'd be satisfied with the subpar performance they put on
Walfurms were mass produced
Since they are still roaming years after the war
So it can be that dreadon made them cheeply as fodder
elfin yarrow
I feel like they should add a wulfrum boss
And summon it by using the wulfrum attractor thingy
young socket
no
cloud ibex
Walfurms were mass produced
even if they are mass produced they seem kinda shit by draedon's usual standard
again, if he made them they'd be ordering airstrikes the moment one laid its optic sensors on you
spring helm
why would draedon make them, he was part of Yharim's forces
cloud ibex
it has been proven multiple times that he does not fuck around when it comes to making war machines
cloud ibex
true
young socket
mass produced draedon shit is a fucking post plantera miniboss
and theyre considered "primitive"
(compared to draedon)
so
yeah
spring helm
the armoured digger right?
young socket
if draedon wanted to actually mass produce killer robots theyd be much stronger
yeah
spring helm
if i remember correctly the destroyer as an upscaled/upgraded digger
young socket
indeed it is
spice sphinx
why would draedon make them, he was part of Yharim's forces
Who is draedon and yharim
Are those the bad guys
spice sphinx
but Yharim is the big bad of the mod
When can I kill it?
spring helm
in like 10 years when he gets added
spring helm
a bunch of god worshippers
threw him in lava
this does not justify the genocides he then caused
spice sphinx
threw him in lava
Unvalid crashout
spice sphinx
this does not justify the genocides he then caused
Is he the same guy who made all the labs
dusk laurel
well those are draedon's
spring helm
to be fair those were made while Draedon worked under Yharim
spice sphinx
well those are draedon's
Why is there a big hole with lava in the middle
spice sphinx
Is there anywhere I can see the full lore?
scenic olive
John wulfrum
robust osprey
Is there anywhere I can see the full lore?
there's a lore doc in pins, it has all in-game lore
tho if you don't know who draedon is I would say play the mod first if you plan to
haughty seal
do we think draedon sees value in art?
pliant ruin
yeah id say so
very objective about it though
if he were to judge an piece of art, he'd so throroughly based on critiques based around art practices and what not such as composition and design and etc
knowing how to perfect your art and craftmanship is a form of knowledge, so
we do know he sees value in social sciences after all so its not like hes limited to only more practical things like engineering
patent tiger
even if they are mass produced they seem kinda shit by draedon's usual standard
i was under the impression that the wulfrum bots were some of draedon's earlier creations
spare pier
do we think draedon sees value in art?
He literally claims that the Exo Mechs are a piece of art
pliant ruin
i was under the impression that the wulfrum bots were some of draedon's earlier ...
nah
patent tiger
i was reading draetalk and he said "I sent hundreds of remotely-piloted scoutbots to thoroughly survey the continent" so i just assumed it was wulfrum bots
pliant ruin
draedon isnt responsible for making everything mechanical/robotic in the world, and he was already born being capable of far more advanced experiments and things than wulfrum
patent tiger
but now that i think of it he also says "However, as the years passed, I became adept at carrying out such operations in a subtler manner. Slowly but surely, stories about my machines became rare." so i'm probably wrong
patent tiger
draedon isnt responsible for making everything mechanical/robotic in the world, ...
fair
anyways guys so i was gonna make an addon with a statis fight
young socket
i was reading draetalk and he said "I sent hundreds of remotely-piloted scoutbot...
i mean the bestiary literally says theyre made by anti yharim revolutionaries
patent tiger
so i went to the wiki and did a bit of studying
robust osprey
what if john wulfrum is draedon's lost brother
patent tiger
and here are my notes:
statis is a ninja, maybe a ronin depending on how we read signus' lore item
uses scythes as his weapon of choice
strength is pre-providence at best
member of onyx clan, which reveres signus and slime god, last survivor
struck a deal with signus
how accurate would you guys say that is?
young socket
whered u get scythes from
patent tiger
whered u get scythes from
void sash thing
robust osprey
and here are my notes:
statis is a ninja, maybe a ronin depending on how we rea...
statis nearly defeated yharim one time with braelor
pliant ruin
random idea but i think signus probably is the source of shadowflame or atleast has strong connections to it
robust osprey
random idea but i think signus probably is the source of shadowflame or atleast ...
shadowflame is probably goblin invention and statis somehow learnt it from goblins
patent tiger
statis nearly defeated yharim one time with braelor
yeah i noted that and was gonna say he's really strong, but then i saw that in provi's lore item it said "Deeds of valor of this caliber are enshrined in legend. Of this age only the Witch, Braelor and myself can compare."
young socket
void sash thing
ok but thats most likely from the twisting nether stuff, not it being a statis item
robust osprey
idk that's what I think
pliant ruin
I think it's tied with signus because
patent tiger
now in re-reading that, i realize valor does not equal strength
pliant ruin
Statis's curse is very obviously tied to Signus
young socket
theyre literally called cosmic scythes which is quite synonymous with the distortion
patent tiger
theyre literally called cosmic scythes which is quite synonymous with the distor...
fair
robust osprey
statis is pretty strong
pliant ruin
And you need the First Shadowflame and Statis's Blessing to craft it iirc
robust osprey
he is slightly weaker that breaelor iirc
patent tiger
statis is pretty strong
i mean i'd say pre-provi is pretty strong
pliant ruin
Statis's blessing being obviously because. well. its part of the line of Statis items
robust osprey
but still pretty strong
pliant ruin
but the fact that by giving it The First Shadowflame alongside some more materials (iirc) makes it associated with signus is
interesting to me
patent tiger
theyre literally called cosmic scythes which is quite synonymous with the distor...
ok still though scythes is seemingly random
robust osprey
but the fact that by giving it The First Shadowflame alongside some more materia...
only shadowflame
and stardust frags
pliant ruin
It'd be strange if shadowflame didn't have some sort of association with signus
patent tiger
It'd be strange if shadowflame didn't have some sort of association with signus
i mean shadowflame is just goblins?
pliant ruin
yeah so it's basically just a fusion of the two
robust osprey
wait maybe goblins just made a deal with signus to learn shadowflame manipulation
pliant ruin
i mean shadowflame is just goblins?
Read what i'm saying
young socket
ok still though scythes is seemingly random
signus uses scythes
pliant ruin
patent tiger
signus uses scythes
so then you're saying i'm right
young socket
no
patent tiger
Read what i'm saying
shit im dumb
young socket
signus, not statis
patent tiger
guys i need to learn how to read
spare pier
Statis' Blessing is exploding, remember that
robust osprey
really?
spare pier
But otherwise that's a very sane theory
young socket
Statis' Blessing is exploding, remember that
cheese is talking about curse
young socket
so unless statis curse itself is getting renamed then it still holds
robust osprey
is curse also getting exploded
pliant ruin
Looking at the wiki though, Signus himself dosen't inflict shadowflame in any way, but i reckon that's just because inflicting Shadowflame as a post ml boss is uh
Bad
patent tiger
i don't see how statis' curse is related to signus outside of statis' relation to signus though
pliant ruin
i don't see how statis' curse is related to signus outside of statis' relation t...
It's got the exact same aesthethic as his resprite
Like i'm pretty sure it's literally the same palette
Also actually
the Goblin warlock summons shadowflame apparitions
and while, yes
that is a vanilla creature with a vanilla name
patent tiger
statis nearly defeated yharim one time with braelor
for all we know braelor carried though, but yeah i get what you're saying
young socket
its also got visual similarities to void sash, which as i discussed earlier, used twisting nether
pulsar ocean
is jared as strong as 1 yharim or weaker
pliant ruin
it's common for the lore people creatures to turn seemingly innocuous base terraria things into building points for cal lore
so going off that
robust osprey
for all we know braelor carried though, but yeah i get what you're saying
pretty sure he didn't "carried"
patent tiger
It's got the exact same aesthethic as his resprite
is statis getting a resprite
robust osprey
but still the main one
dusk laurel
is statis getting a resprite
signus
visual kiln
if he were to judge an piece of art, he'd so throroughly based on critiques base...
art has practical applications tho (studying it that is)
dusk laurel
visual kiln
and also concept art exists
dusk laurel
this one
patent tiger
ok i see how that relates statis' curse to signus now
pliant ruin
so going off that
The goblin warlock - Aka, often in fantasy, a wizard or sorcerer of sorts that gets their power from some sort of "patron" - a entity that grants them said power - Wields shadowflame
visual kiln
art has practical applications tho (studying it that is)
its important for studying history for example
patent tiger
similar palette
pliant ruin
The goblin *warlock* - Aka, often in fantasy, a wizard or sorcerer of sorts that...
And guess who's a cosmic otherworldly entity that happens to make deals and bargains with others, acting as a patron of sorts
patent tiger
ok i actually see your argument
young socket
And guess who's a cosmic otherworldly entity that happens to make deals and barg...
dog clearly
patent tiger
this is interesting
robust osprey
And guess who's a cosmic otherworldly entity that happens to make deals and barg...
king slime
patent tiger
ngl i'm kinda sad that we can't realistically say statis uses scythes
pliant ruin
I mean i can see it
patent tiger
that'd be cool for the mod i'm making (realistically it wouldn't matter because i am shit at modding)
pliant ruin
no direct evidence for it tho yeah but
i can see it
hes the typa guy to carry a big scythe gonna be fr
patent tiger
that'd be cool for the mod i'm making (realistically it wouldn't matter because ...
more of a passion project than a serious effort though so i guess it doesn't matter
pliant ruin
itd be cool
patent tiger
you know what'd be cool
visual kiln
draedon isnt responsible for making everything mechanical/robotic in the world, ...
let the martians and wulfrum have things sometimes,,, š„ŗ
young socket
i dont like the idea of him having a scythe cuz then thatd mean he and his boyfriend both have large weapons
pliant ruin
ok fair
patent tiger
you know what'd be cool
if we gave him two sickles
young socket
WAIT
pliant ruin
omg sickles reign of yharim
patent tiger
?!?!?!?!?!
pliant ruin
sickles
young socket
i got the perfect weapon for this
pliant ruin
from reign of yharim
visual kiln
i mean shadowflame is just goblins?
are goblins signus related
patent tiger
omg sickles reign of yharim
huh?
pliant ruin
you wouldnt get it
young socket
FUCK i forgot wat theyre called gikme a sec
pliant ruin
are goblins signus related
no direct connection no
but i have connected then just now with a theory of mine
patent tiger
#lore-discussion message ok anyway back to this, what critique do you guys have (other than scythe and pre-provi power)
visual kiln
iirc vanillamity signus is golbin related
pliant ruin
i forgot vanillamity was even still real tbh
dusk laurel
vanillamity is going to have signus?
patent tiger
fuck is vanillamity
pliant ruin
anyways i think signus is the source of shadowflame
patent tiger
GIVE STATIS THIS
lol maybe
pliant ruin
anyways i think signus is the source of shadowflame
the goblins have it because they made a deal with him to get it
patent tiger
GIVE STATIS THIS
fuck it why not
visual kiln
i like goblin signus connection
bc then u can have like
cool goblin stuff with signus
pliant ruin
i can see a goblin thinkerer quot eabt it or smth
if this theory ends up being real and true
young socket
i can see a goblin thinkerer quot eabt it or smth
quot eabt
patent tiger
guys do we think "the ronin" is referring to statis, braelor, or both "Statis' compatriot Braelor dueled me to a standstill. With our blades locked, the ronin lunged for the lethal blow."
pliant ruin
gweeb
pliant ruin
guys do we think "the ronin" is referring to statis, braelor, or both *"Statis' ...
statis
statis is the ninja braelor is the big beefy guy
wtih an axe
young socket
guys do we think "the ronin" is referring to statis, braelor, or both *"Statis' ...
statis
patent tiger
interesting
patent tiger
statis is the ninja braelor is the big beefy guy
how do we even know shit about braelor
young socket
have u seen their concept arts btw
patent tiger
also are they really saying statis is gay when they say "compatriot"
young socket
also are they really saying statis is gay when they say "compatriot"
yes
theyre gay
patent tiger
ok
young socket
theyre atleast boyfriends
visual kiln
i can see a goblin thinkerer quot eabt it or smth
more goblin content in calamity
š„ŗ
pliant ruin
i dont think theres much more that can be added but itd be nice if this theory ends up being true bc it'd tie them in with calamitys worldbuilding a lil more
dusk laurel
more lihzarhd content...
pliant ruin
how do we even know shit about braelor
we have official art ofr both othem
patent tiger
theyre atleast boyfriends
guys this was originally gonna be a slime god mod but now it's gonna have statis and braelor š
pliant ruin
more lihzarhd content...
lihzahrds actually have more than goblins id say
young socket
i dont think theres much more that can be added but itd be nice if this theory e...
yea but the other route is we lewrn about a new god or watever and thats how why the warlocks.are warlocks
spare pier
more lihzarhd content...
Oh you won't be disappointed on that department, trust me
dusk laurel
lihzahrds actually have more than goblins id say
its true
pliant ruin
lihzahrds have the connection to some sort of forgotten god
dusk laurel
Oh you won't be disappointed on that department, trust me
thank you reb
pliant ruin
which we likely will learn more abt yeah
young socket
guys this was originally gonna be a slime god mod but now it's gonna have statis...
i mean braelors kinda
in another dimension
patent tiger
how do we even know shit about braelor
patent tiger
i mean braelors kinda
oh yeah i forgot about that
young socket
we get told
patent tiger
nevermind
pliant ruin
i mean we know as much abt braelor as we do about statsi
patent tiger
i mean we know as much abt braelor as we do about statsi
how?
pliant ruin
little bits of ingame lore and occasional dev comments
spare pier
Lihzards are probably the Vanilla thing we gave the most expansion towards in Cal
patent tiger
little bits of ingame lore and occasional dev comments
true
visual kiln
Lihzards are probably the Vanilla thing we gave the most expansion towards in Ca...
THANK U
young socket
Lihzards are probably the Vanilla thing we gave the most expansion towards in Ca...
do we finally get to know which god they originally worshipped?
pliant ruin
xeroc trust
dusk laurel
Lihzards are probably the Vanilla thing we gave the most expansion towards in Ca...
awesome
patent tiger
do we finally get to know which god they originally worshipped?
my goat, slime god
young socket
damn
patent tiger
they're gonna gang up with the onyx clan
young socket
sg ledt the lihzahrds to get revered by the onyx kinsmen instead
spare pier
do we finally get to know which god they originally worshipped?
You'll get to know their gender
young socket
You'll get to know their gender
crazy
pliant ruin
ok heres my bet
spare pier
visual kiln
its not xeroc
pliant ruin
its xeroc
visual kiln
too obvious
visual kiln
nope
dusk laurel
torch god
visual kiln
explodes u
pliant ruin
how is it obvious its like the most outlandish option besides providence
thats why im joking about ir
visual kiln
the sun themed lizard cult worships the sun god? how outlandish
visual kiln
golem
visual kiln
ya
dusk laurel
also the solar eclipse
pliant ruin
right
young socket
how is it obvious its like the most outlandish option besides providence
i mean its not rlly outlandish ive seen people who genuinely think llthe lihzahrds worshipped xeroc cuz of that one line of golem having heavy inspiration from the heat of the sun line
dusk laurel
the tablets are from the temple
visual kiln
not talking ab her
dusk laurel
and fragments
patent tiger
not talking ab her
im deleting that message š
pliant ruin
like
visual kiln
but its probably xeroc
why so
pliant ruin
golem has t he sun carving thingy on him
they have solar tablets
patent tiger
GUYS
dusk laurel
yharim fucking hates the jungle in the new lore
pliant ruin
also yeah
dusk laurel
š
pliant ruin
yharim despises the jungle
patent tiger
they worship helios
visual kiln
dont people like not know xeroc is a thing
patent tiger
yharim fucking hates the jungle in the new lore
why
dusk laurel
yharim does
visual kiln
i thoight that was a thing
young socket
yharim does
well yharim knows yharon
visual kiln
ueah exactly
pliant ruin
lihzahrds seem very
young socket
visual kiln
ok valid
pliant ruin
and its said they had a actual dynasty before and now theyre isolated inside this one building
so
spare pier
Yharim watching as the most pathetic of his opponents and also the biggest bitch he had ever to contend with spawn from the same fucking place
patent tiger
guys how strong would you say statis is
pliant ruin
who else would it be like. the God Of The Slightly Less Primordial Kind Of Not As Old Light
young socket
im pretty sure vernal is seperate
pliant ruin
who else would it be atp
dusk laurel
torch god
patent tiger
who else would it be like. the God Of The Slightly Less Primordial Kind Of Not A...
helios obviously
dusk laurel
clearly
visual kiln
im pretty sure vernal is seperate
source btw?
pliant ruin
if you tell me its silva because its in the jungle im flooding this entire place with oil
young socket
who else would it be like. the God Of The Slightly Less Primordial Kind Of Not A...
i mean it could just be someone who deals with heat
visual kiln
if you tell me its silva because its in the jungle im flooding this entire place...
it could be silva too bc of the sun
robust osprey
it's provi 
pliant ruin
i guess
young socket
source btw?
my source is that there is none (vernal pass has no similarities to the temple tho)
patent tiger
guys how strong would you say statis is
visual kiln
my source is that there is none (vernal pass has no similarities to the temple t...
the vernal always generates above the temple tho no?
pliant ruin
we dont know enough to say anything beyond that
young socket
the vernal always generates above the temple tho no?
around there but not perfectly
patent tiger
we can assume he's at least near braelor in strength tho
visual kiln
yea
dusk laurel
my source is that there is none (vernal pass has no similarities to the temple t...
the vernal pass is getting redone so that might change
robust osprey
statis has gay power, he is multiversal+
visual kiln
is there anyone else vernal could be related to
dusk laurel
bee people
pliant ruin
unless we get new lore things which support it being silva then i'm sticking to it being xeroc
young socket
is there anyone *else* vernal could be related to
plant girl
pliant ruin
dryads
dusk laurel
the people who got honey fromm bees
patent tiger
considering braelor + statis beats yharim, we could say that they're like
visual kiln
bee people
theres no hive there tho
patent tiger
post-provi at least
visual kiln
plant girl
plantera?
dusk laurel
yeah
pliant ruin
plantera was made by the vernal people no?
young socket
plantera was made by the vernal people no?
yes
visual kiln
yea
robust osprey
considering braelor + statis beats yharim, we could say that they're like
a slightly weaker yharim than the current yharim
visual kiln
what is the vernal lore wise btw
pliant ruin
jungle place where jungle people do jungle things
patent tiger
a slightly weaker yharim than the current yharim
i mean considering they were 2v1ing him maybe a little less? edit: actually it really just says braelor dueled him to a standstill, not statis
visual kiln
so like
young socket
what is the vernal lore wise btw
a civilisation that had heavy ties to botany
dusk laurel
made plantera
pliant ruin
they live there
dusk laurel
and like
visual kiln
lizards?
dusk laurel
thats it
pliant ruin
lziards are not the only people who live in the jungle
visual kiln
thats the only civilization there that we kno of right
robust osprey
I mean there are underground jungle cabins
visual kiln
p
robust osprey
p
dusk laurel
the thinker
patent tiger
do we think braelor is near yharim in strength?
pliant ruin
also yeah the underground cabins but i reckon those are more so remnants of the pre-xeroc age for people who randomly made houses and stuff underground to live in rather than signs of an actual civilizaton
young socket
i love how no one else mentioned the botany aspect even tho thats like the big thing mentioned in plantera whisper and visually shown in the structure multiple times
visual kiln
i love how no one else mentioned the botany aspect even tho thats like the big t...
yeah vernalās silva stuff
patent tiger
do we think braelor is near yharim in strength?
cuz we could say yharim got 2v1d but also it just says "braelor dueled me to a standstill"
robust osprey
do we think braelor is near yharim in strength?
around DoG I think?
visual kiln
I thought this was established
spare pier
plantera was made by the vernal people no?
Yes
pliant ruin
vernal isn't confirmed to be silva stuff
spare pier
Now add 1 and 1
pliant ruin
but probably
spare pier
robust osprey
around DoG I think?
wait no both together are around DoG iirc
visual kiln
vernal isn't confirmed to be silva stuff
silva until proven otherwise imo
its very silva coded
patent tiger
around DoG I think?
ok but it does say "Braelor dueled me to a standstill," which may imply that braelor is almost equal to yharim
patent tiger
maybe statis was helping but that's not explicitly stated
robust osprey
ok but it does say "Braelor dueled me to a standstill," which may imply that bra...
it was in the past
pliant ruin
alsao yeah statis was helping
patent tiger
yharim was weaker back then
yeah ik but i mean not that much weaker right?
pliant ruin
weaker enough to be down a few tiers in boss progression iirc
probably around the same level as yharon but dont quote me on dat
actually
exo mechs were made to defeat yharim with the power level draedon saw him the last time they met right
so yeah
probably yharon level
patent tiger
is it reasonable to say statis is weaker than signus
dusk laurel
crazy that we're getting 2 plant areas with ruined buildings
robust osprey
maybe brealor got weaker due to not being as active as before due to being trapped in distortion, but maybe that doesn't do anything cause blessing
spare pier
I have already gone on record to say this but, as it stands, there is one character with an undefined power level which I think could match SCal/Exos
pliant ruin
is perennial overgrowth or whatv its called also gonna have ruined buildings
patent tiger
maybe brealor got weaker due to not being as active as before due to being trapp...
blessing?
dusk laurel
is perennial overgrowth or whatv its called also gonna have ruined buildings
last i heard so
pliant ruin
I have already gone on record to say this but, as it stands, there is one charac...
john silva
john big axe
pliant ruin
ok its not braelor
young socket
pw?
robust osprey
braelor is silva's champion
dusk laurel
is it the spacey boy
visual kiln
I have already gone on record to say this but, as it stands, there is one charac...
r they presently alive
spare pier
A very defined
young socket
fair
spare pier
Power level
pliant ruin
jean space god also has a defined power level so not that guy
visual kiln
meow
young socket
silva???
spare pier
r they presently alive
Yes
pliant ruin
ok well
visual kiln
does silva count as alive
pliant ruin
silva is. technically alive. does. does she apply here
spare pier
silva???
There are two characters who did not change their Domains when ascending
And one of them is Xeroc
young socket
so silva
patent tiger
braelor is silva's champion
where does it say that again?
pliant ruin
i mean yeah silva is like
already an elemental so she has that going for her
and she had a perfect ascencion
and she had the auric soul of probably one of the strongest dragons
so like
yeah makes sense
dusk laurel
shes at least stronger than provi i think (?)
spare pier
But yeah, while we don't have a specific power level for Silva, if I had to choose a third character to match SCal and Exos, which as you know, I have been very very careful with
It'd be 100% Silva
patent tiger
is it reasonable to say statis is weaker than signus
pliant ruin
i always headcanon'ed that Silva was the second strongest god besides xeroc
pliant ruin
is it reasonable to say statis is weaker than signus
dont think we know enough to say ngl
but probably
actually signus is being moved to like
old duke tier
visual kiln
i always headcanon'ed that Silva was the second strongest god besides xeroc
what happened to space god
pliant ruin
so yeah actually most likely
pliant ruin
what happened to space god
nothing
patent tiger
actually signus is being moved to like
was he not already old duke tier
pliant ruin
i just always thought silva would be stronger
patent tiger
dont think we know enough to say ngl
i mean that'd be a reasonable power level and also maybe a stretch but him making a deal with signus might mean something
young socket
was he not already old duke tier
no hes pre polter rn
spare pier
Silva is a character we never really wrote thinking of her power level but like, the more I write about her the more I think to myself how
patent tiger
i keep forgetting polter exists
spare pier
Yeah no she kinda has to be pretty strong
pliant ruin
silva is also probably a good person so fuck yeah yharim 1 point xeroc 2 #ripbozo #packwatch
visual kiln
ignore power levels
pliant ruin
god gang stay winning
pliant ruin
ignore power levels
u cant do that ngl
spare pier
But also
pliant ruin
having consistent power levels for ur characters is a good thing and not powerscaler mumbo jumbo and actually contributes to a narrative
spare pier
I think that regardless of her how strong she is, she would probably lose to people a few notches below her on the basis that I think she is much more of a support than a proper fighter
Silva fighting with someone? She is a fucking nightmare to deal with
Silva fighting on her own?
Yeah she gets kinda rolled
pliant ruin
blesses 500 eidolon wyrms to make an army of primordial wyrms jr to rip her foes apart
young socket
she needs a training arc
pliant ruin
go my pretties