lore-discussion

[cloud ibex]

90% of automod's warnings for messages with "racism", "hitler" etc.

[bold dragon]

Then he would kill silva

[cosmic minnow]

I mean yharim is a little similar to Hitler

[pliant ruin]

providence is better than yharim because she killed the french

[split mortar]

LMAO

[manic coral]

listen when you have a story about a dictator's rise to power cuaisng a genocide and causing a massive war there's bound to be a comaprison a person can make here and there

[cosmic minnow]

Insane but charming, can convince the crowds

Stuff like that

[cosmic minnow]

Noice

[bold dragon]

Kid these days so weak

Failed an art school and go ehine on twitter

Whine

[split mortar]

Is this a reference to lea

[manic coral]

yharim is so scary because unlike a lot of dictators, he's a a very rare combination of "actually competent" and "genuinely thinks he's in the right here"

[bold dragon]

Back in my days when we don't get accepted by art school

We go att

Well i'll stop there

[cosmic minnow]

Yea, Hitler wasn’t so competent

Lmao

[split mortar]

Can yharim drink lava and live

[pliant ruin]

this seishin guy smells

[cosmic minnow]

Prolly no

[pliant ruin]

stinky

[cosmic minnow]

You’re cheese

[robust osprey]

yes for 1 second maybe

[cosmic minnow]

Smelly cheese

[pliant ruin]

das true

[bold dragon]

You smell nothing my friend only oregano and tomato

[cosmic minnow]

cheese smells

[pliant ruin]

nooooooo

im not stinky....

[manic coral]

he's basiclaly jsut as competent as a politician as he is a fighter

[split mortar]

Blue cheese

[cosmic minnow]

Smelly cheese

[robust osprey]

blue cheese is stinky

[bold dragon]

Pineapple cheese

[cosmic minnow]

….

[pliant ruin]

pizza ... i wish i had

i hate being broke ....

[cosmic minnow]

AS A HALF ITALIAN I UTTER AND DECLARE THE DEATH SENTENCE

[pliant ruin]

mmm pizza mmmm milkshake

hey i have italian descency too

[manic coral]

he thinks he's in the right, can convince others he's in the right or at least better than the alternative, and he treats other people like he's the good guy

[pliant ruin]

my last name is italian

[manic coral]

and like

ok

from a purely practical perspective here

[cosmic minnow]

My 4 names are all Italian

[manic coral]

if opu were a soldier in an opposing army

[bold dragon]

That sounds like what my friend describe me

[manic coral]

going by entirely selfish reasoning

there is no reason not to desert and join his forces instead

they ahev the better equipment

are generally treated well

[bold dragon]

I used tomato sauce on my spaghetti the heinz one

[cloud ibex]

i'm so glad he's not an asshole to his army for no reason

[split mortar]

And prob payed well

[manic coral]

you dont have to worry about them wrecking your shit in

imagine spedning like a year sleeping in cramped bunks, having to at points to do like eat near-rotting food

[cloud ibex]

always confused me when fictional antagonists treat their soldiers like shit

[manic coral]

and some spy comes bakc with reports of one of yharim's camps

and they're eating good meals

[cloud ibex]

like you want these mfs to follow you why are you giving them reasons not to

[manic coral]

get their own rooms in tents

hell, some of their buildings have air conditioning and shit

their armor even apparently keeps their god damn body temapture regulated so they dont overheat or freeze

[robust osprey]

draedon cooking hard

[manic coral]

all of them basically having pseudo-mechsuits

[split mortar]

Its the arsenal armour i believe

[manic coral]

and you know that if you went up and swore to their cause, you'll probably be interrogated, sure

maybe not treated well at first

but you'd havea chance to prove your loyalty by fighting for them

and then it's basically just a better life from there

[bold dragon]

Yeah until some of them get turned into weapon

[manic coral]

from a surely selfish standpoint

there is no reason for enemies soldiers to NOT just desert and join the crusade instead

[bold dragon]

There's 1

[manic coral]

there is a reason that some soliders were so dedicated and loyal that they donated their LITERAL SOULS to help its advancement

[robust osprey]

youre wrong

DoG is a solid reason for not to

[bold dragon]

You are wrong

[split mortar]

Dog prob doesnt interact with the lower ranks

[manic coral]

ok but would you rather have DoG on your side or against you

[gaunt sluice]

ello

[bold dragon]

Aginst me

[robust osprey]

both seem equally bad

[gaunt sluice]

nah id win

[manic coral]

novbody in their right mind would ant to fight that thing, even if not as strong as yharim, he's arguably somehow even more horrifying

[split mortar]

So id say on my side

[bold dragon]

Well if i don't fight him i won't progress

[robust osprey]

I mean, guy in armor or really big serpent

[gaunt sluice]

cause one's a normal dude with a sword and the other is a god essence eating humongous space worm

[split mortar]

Most people arent the terrarian
Look at dog from the perspective of a town npc

[robust osprey]

I think theres a big difference in menace

[manic coral]

to be fair yharim definitly isn't a normal dude, his reputation speaks to how horrifying he is

yharim is stronger and bigger threat but the devourer is actual nightmare fuel

[gaunt sluice]

even so he's still a guy, like you wouldn't be as intimidated probably

[bold dragon]

Wow what a big worm i wonder would the terrarian kill it again today i mean he already got a lot of cosmilite bar

[gaunt sluice]

you canonically kill this man once

[split mortar]

One wrong move and dog can oneshot a city or atleast has the energy to do so with a head ram

[manic coral]

by all conventional logic, something of its size and power of it shouldn't even be able to naturally exist

[bold dragon]

I think i killed him twice bcs somehow i got jeff the guide spawned twice and died twice while i'm fighting mech boss for mat

[gaunt sluice]

well moon lord just decided to exist

[manic coral]

DoG is way bigger

[gaunt sluice]

oh

well

[robust osprey]

what if the legs are actually 95% of its body

[manic coral]

im not sure if you've seen the sprite he'll on in the distortion update

[robust osprey]

and mooblord just have comically large legs

[gaunt sluice]

yeah i need to wait to see what that looks like in practice

[robust osprey]

and it's larger than dog

[manic coral]

he is almsot as wide as providence is TALL

[gaunt sluice]

a h

[split mortar]

Dog is gonna be made huge

[bold dragon]

Hmm cave divers would like that

[gaunt sluice]

suddenly that makes a lot more sense

[gaunt sluice]

holy hell

[manic coral]

and that's DoG in his armor

[split mortar]

Could t find the unarmoured

[manic coral]

armorless is nightmare fuel if you saw something like it irl

[bold dragon]

Why did draedon even agree to give it an armor

[cloud ibex]

Draedon doesn’t give a shit

[split mortar]

Yharim asked for draedon to make it

[robust osprey]

"draedoncplease please please please please pleas"

[gaunt sluice]

suddenly my reality scissors don't feel conceptually overpowered

[bold dragon]

Fine i'll do it but not for you baka kind of thing

[cloud ibex]

He just thought “Hm. An intriguing design challenge.” probably

[split mortar]

Lmao

[manic coral]

here it is, had to make sure this was actually public

[gaunt sluice]

slither.io vibes

[split mortar]

Missing some tendrils i think

[robust osprey]

edible

[manic coral]

yeah is WIP

but yes

DoG is menecing as shit

nobdoy WASN'T kinda afraid of him except like yharim, yharon, draedon, and like later teens calamitas

[gaunt sluice]

makes it even more of a drop when you go from this, to a dragon, to 27 year old homeless woman that's been living out of a cave

[manic coral]

to be fair she's been to a lot of other places aside from a cave

she was out doing her own shit

she wasn't just doing nothing

[gaunt sluice]

fair but she ain't have a house

feels kinda like Yharim where you wouldn't be nearly as intimidated on sight until she gets going

[split mortar]

I feel like yharim is intimidating

[robust osprey]

~3 meters tall buff guy

[bold dragon]

https://tenor.com/view/roach-bug-oh-no-run-flying-gif-17479599

[robust osprey]

I would get intimidated

[gaunt sluice]

fair but space worm

[bold dragon]

Nothing's as scary as that

[bold dragon]

He's a nice guy and a good guy

[split mortar]

Guy is built and tall

[bold dragon]

So don't feel too intimidated

[gaunt sluice]

man I low key wanna learn to animate so that I can make a 15 minute trailer for an animated calamity series and then never make said series

[bold dragon]

Genshin

[split mortar]

-# imo make yharim more built

[gaunt sluice]

wait cal is 5'4

[split mortar]

Yes

[gaunt sluice]

dang she short

[bold dragon]

What kind of routine did yharim went through to get that build

I kinda want to get as beefy as him

Must be nice

[cloud ibex]

Being soul linked with Yharon and over a century of exercise and training

That’ll do it

[split mortar]

Be a warmongering bitch with dragon magic and not really having a life outside the crusade

Yeah

[bold dragon]

Oh well

Time to look for my very own dragon

Anybody want to be my crazy scientists who didn't care for anything else aside of science

[bold dragon]

One question

Why yharim isn't bald

[cloud ibex]

he might be

[bold dragon]

So that's why he wear a helm with that long wavy hair

[split mortar]

That could be a plume and not their hair

But they leave it to our interpretation

iirc

[cloud ibex]

we won't get an official answer as to how he looks under the armor but you could headcanon that draedon helped mostly mitigate all the burn wounds he got from the lava incident

[bold dragon]

He must be bald with a dumb face

[cloud ibex]

or you could headcanon that he looks like vader without the suit under there and the hair is a plume

[bold dragon]

What accident

[cloud ibex]

your choice

[split mortar]

Also yharim has tech from like 2300 id imagine they can just fix the damage

[split mortar]

The one that started the crusade basically

[sinful adder]

Incident, not accident. It was very much not accidental

[split mortar]

Ttue

[limpid saddle]

Ok so Yharim was a part of a God Cult pre-Crusades & was chosen to ascend with Yharon's egg, he then rejected that fate, "Destiny is for the weak" & all that, & then the cultists threw him & Yharon's egg into a massive lava pit

[split mortar]

-# incident not an accident
But yea

[bold dragon]

If only hitler could be this epic

[stark basalt]

still got 3 toes

[hoary berry]

why are you a snail now

[split mortar]

Uhhhhhhh i forgor

[cloud ibex]

:D

[sinful adder]

My reaction to that statement:

[split mortar]

Answer for your crimes

[gentle ferry]

He can’t drink a healing potion?

Man Gucci’d down to the shoes and he’s asking for a greater healing potion

[snow mountain]

🤨

[bold dragon]

We are talking about yharim

[dusk laurel]

strange discussion

[stoic gulch]

Noo this is lore discussion!!

You silly goose

[dusk laurel]

shut up

[cosmic minnow]

Pause

What is this supposed to say-

[bold dragon]

The less you know the better

[cosmic minnow]

Ok….

[cosmic minnow]

Wasn’t this old lore?

[split mortar]

Its still a thing new lore

[mighty zenith]

pretty sure the god cult wasnt a thing in old lore

[cosmic minnow]

Ohh

Aight

[limpid saddle]

fym you implied hitler was cool

[wheat walrus]

that's not the implication that matters

the implication that matters is the guy wanting hitler to be epic

if imma be real

[cosmic minnow]

As a German I know exactly what those people have done decades ago, so I ask again, what is this supposed to imply

[bold dragon]

he was wrong

[analog robin]

Why would you say that

[bold dragon]

bcs he's wrong

[analog robin]

Just don’t bring out Hitler comparisons

Ever

[cloud ibex]

convo cancelled! brick attack

[analog robin]

If this is how you speak

[cloud ibex]

go lore discuss

ion

siege

[analog robin]

Thank u

What are the lore implications of the player imagining The Calamity boss?

[bold dragon]

they say it's ok

[wheat walrus]

who is this they

[supple bluff]

So like how do we even fight Yharon isn't he in hiding with Yharim

[limpid saddle]

No he leaves the Aerie to beat us to death

[supple bluff]

Oh lmao

[limpid saddle]

they're not exactly in hiding they're in a hidden dragon island that can only be accessed by very specific people under very specific circumstances & also Auric Dragons

presumably also regular Dragons if they know the route

[robust osprey]

yharon goes "yo this guy is getting a bit too strong...WHAT IF THEY WANT TO KILL YHARIM I NEED TO KILL THEM NOW!!!"

[supple bluff]

Little does that little bugger know about the indomitable human spirit

[late veldt]

Y'all think Draedon feels boredom

[light linden]

anyways

do we know what the closest civilization to the heartlands is?

[long bloom]

we don't have any maps

[noble niche]

The lungslands

[fast wadi]

Me too

[pliant ruin]

image perms gone tommorow

[cosmic roost]

That's a good name mr parmiigianoreggiano

[dusk laurel]

[split mortar]

:/

[pliant ruin]

ms*
but yeah its pretty awesome isnt it

[cosmic roost]

It is very awesome

sorry for misgendering btw

but yeh very awesome name

[pliant ruin]

np dw about it

ty

[strange stump]

you are the blood
flowing
through my fingers

[hoary berry]

teto

[cosmic roost]

kasane teto

[cloud ibex]

no

also no

[pulsar ocean]

Yharim pmo

[wheat walrus]

ok powerscaling discussion guys who would win

[dusk laurel]

the creature on the right

i think

[wheat walrus]

🔥

anyways being realistic it gets obliterated

but Khezu is such a goofy ass shitpost annoying thing that it gets the meme pass

"The Khezu was unphased by The Witch's inferno and her cries, for no amount of brimstone could hurt the soul-heartless one."

[split mortar]

Pretty cool art

[wheat walrus]

by cziran (not the khezu render nor text)

[pulsar ocean]

Wait the monster wasn't there from the start?

[wheat walrus]

I edited it in

[proven rivet]

Microsoft parmiigianoreggiano

[sand mountain]

does the signut painting from calamity vanities hold any lore significance

this is important

[frozen zodiac]

addons are non canon also i have no clue what that one's based on

[long bloom]

nothing from calval is canon

unfortunately

[sand mountain]

i think we should reconsider that, the painting is really cool and should have lore implications

[bold dragon]

Did each class have it's own lore

[long bloom]

like

melee, ranger etc?

[bold dragon]

Yep

[long bloom]

player lore is up to you

nothing is set in stone

[bold dragon]

Seishin the summoner who beat everything with sla... Power of friendship

With his serv... I mean friends they work together to fight strong foes

[long bloom]

like a true pokemon master

[bold dragon]

Yes

[bold dragon]

My fave pokemon is vaporeon

[long bloom]

hey gu

[sand mountain]

he for... befriended them to fight by his side

[bold dragon]

Yes

Befriended them

[sand mountain]

" "

[bold dragon]

With a whip in his hand

[sand mountain]

and then there Barson Bumston, he who wields the blade, strongest weapon of god, only his blade is two and are scissors

cosmic scissors

[bold dragon]

He whi.... Comm... I mean fight together and facing stronger foes in order to be stronger to finally rule the..... I mean protect all he cared and get what he wa... I mean donating to the poor

[split mortar]

The image perms gonna get stabbed

[wheat walrus]

W that logic we remove text perms cause of people making slavery jokes

[split mortar]

🔥

[mighty zenith]

the solution is to ban omni

😁

[wheat walrus]

no

[split mortar]

The solution is to obviously ban all mods and admins

[wheat walrus]

yep

[prime mauve]

The solution is to ban lore

[young socket]

solution is to make devs mods and mods devs

[wheat walrus]

Actually the opposite

Make #lore-discussion the only channel in the server

Make it every topic

Boom, offtopic solved

[gentle ferry]

What is the distortion

It’s a seperate dimension?

[split mortar]

A place where spacetime is so distorted that it functionally is a different dimension iirc

[latent bolt]

The solution is to make WotG lore canon

[split mortar]

Mods
Get the crystal

[cloud ibex]

A “broken rift of space time” is the specific wording used I think

[cloud ibex]

((I would prefer it if you’d try to post less reaction images

((Also goes for everyone else here

[wheat walrus]

fair

[topaz shard]

what would be a near endgame event with waves like frost or pumpkin moon

[limpid saddle]

Dragonfolly might get reworked into a Dragonfolly Swarm event but that's like the only thing we have on that front

[topaz shard]

:(

[limpid saddle]

i dont know what that gotta do with lore though

[sinful adder]

Ooh, I like the sound of this

[swift ferry]

Early post ml event sounds sick

[pulsar ocean]

M

[limpid saddle]

you guys havent heard?

man we really need to centralize the spread of information on upcoming content or considered changes

[pulsar ocean]

No

[paper spindle]

Lore question. How is Calamitas related to her brothers because I don't think it's blood. also why are they disfigured and she's still pretty

[split mortar]

They are related via blood

She is just summoning their dead corpses mid fight

[paper spindle]

If they're blood related then how come her brothers didn't also get taken to permafrost

And how'd they die

[split mortar]

Probably the fight between scal and brimmy destroying the entire city

Which is before they got yoinked to yharim

[paper spindle]

I thought the whole Azafure incident happened after she'd been trained

So order of events?

[split mortar]

Nah she had no powers before brimmy awoke

[split mortar]

She was like, 12 or something

[split mortar]

Scal vs brimmy
Scal gets taken to yharim
Scal boils sea and gets training by perma
Cryogen incident
Scal leaves

Thats it i think (obvs simplified)

[paper spindle]

Nice. Thanks

How come you're always here

Like immediately after I ask too

[split mortar]

Mix of timezones and autism probably

[paper spindle]

Lol

It's nearly 2pm for me

[split mortar]

Same

[paper spindle]

You live in Europe or something?

[split mortar]

British

[paper spindle]

Kay

Nigeria

[split mortar]

Aight

[paper spindle]

I have no idea what I was planning on doing with that information

[split mortar]

And scal has the same “magic signature” as brimmy

I theorise scal absorbed brimmys magic

[paper spindle]

Hmmmmmmmmm

[split mortar]

And calclone also had no powers before meeting scal and in the brief meeting suddenly became a mid hardmode being

[paper spindle]

Could one perchance absorb the magic of other entities

[split mortar]

Thats what i think scal did to brimmy and calclone to scal

Just a theory but idk seems to be pointing to it imo

[paper spindle]

So is it a thing that's like universally possible or is it just a thing only she can do. Like magic bending or sumn

And who's magic can she absorb next

Maybe anahita

You said she was also an elemental right?

[split mortar]

Yeah, weirdly weak for a full elemental tho since brimmy is likely hyper weakened yet not far behind in progression tho

[paper spindle]

Leviathan been carrying her half the game

[split mortar]

True
i didnt consider its both of them working together that is bit further then brimmy

[paper spindle]

I guess that just means she's way weaker

[hoary berry]

if you consider their in-game stats, then not really

it's probably telling of how little i play basecal that i didn't even know brimmy had three phases

[split mortar]

Didnt know they had 3 phases either

Also hai goose

[hoary berry]

Anahita has less maximum health and doesn't have an attack as powerful as Brimstone Ray, but otherwise competes with or beats Brimmy's stats

[split mortar]

Still weirdly weak for a not weakened full elemental

Can brimmy grilled s cheese

[prime mauve]

that's an idea reb wanted, but it hasn't actually gone to the team as a whole yet

There's a couple conflicting folly ideas

[limpid saddle]

Now that's something I didnt know

& another reason why we need centralized information

[pliant ruin]

i mean you did say might

it hasn't ever been confirmed yeah but its a possibility

(and one im rooting for please i beg

[rough plume]

Tbf I'd assume that Brimstone is a far stronger element, so even weakened competing with an ocean/water elemental seems fair, I'd assume the more basic the element the weaker? Or perhaps because anihata isn't in her home land she's weaker (since she was forced out of the abyss by Silva's remains)

We don't really know much on how elementals work in cal I believe

Something like sand and cloud (or is it sky??) Are weak but are still respectably powerful all things considering

[split mortar]

Theres five elementals
Sand= earth
Cloud=gas
Brimstone=heat
Anahita=water
Things needed for life to exist iirc
And silva represents that life itself i think

[split mortar]

Sand and cloud have split their influence across an unknowable amount of bodies and thus the power of each body is lesser then if they were the full elemental iirc

[rough plume]

Ohhh, that'd make sense

[split mortar]

And as long as a elementals element exists on the planet they cant die

[rough plume]

I think it's fully possible that the abyss is somehow directly tied to Anihata's power in all honesty, because I doubt she's naturally weak (she's strong, but still fairly weak in the long run)

Or I'm coming up with crackhead theories rn, who knows

[split mortar]

I dont think we know enough of the elementals in that way to really tell if its a crackhead theory

Or not

[rough plume]

It makes enough sense to be credible as a theory I feel

The Leviathan is from the Abyss too, no?

Or was it not, I forget

[split mortar]

We dunno

[rough plume]

I don't THINK it is

Because all abyssal creatures have a certain set of features that the Leviathan seems to lack

[split mortar]

Leviathan might be a construct of anahitas or a near extinct species or something else we dont know

[rough plume]

I think it's described as the last of it's kind

So it's probably a near extinct species of naturally occuring sea beasts

I could be misremembering

[split mortar]

Yeah we only know of it as the only one of its kind

We dunno what its kind is tho…

[young socket]

possible. we know that the abyss isnt a natural geological formation, so smthn had to cause it to appear

[split mortar]

I thought it was natural

[rough plume]

Lemme look around the wiki, there's no dedicated lore pages so I gotta scavenge

I needa keep on my journey of compiling the lore into a semi-story based format eventually lol

[split mortar]

Theres a document in the pins of this channel with all ingame lore so dont think you need to compile it

This

[rough plume]

Yeah but it's compiled in a way that you have to try and piece it together yourself, I'd like to write it out in a way that it's easier to read if that makes sense

[split mortar]

Ah alright

Wish you good luck with that

[young socket]

u can ctrl f most things

[rough plume]

Checked the abyss page and I don't see anything implying the abyss isn't natural

[young socket]

eventually ull just memorise certain wordings for niche stuff and just find everything u need

[rough plume]

Or that it is natural tbf

[rough plume]

True, I'll def use it to help make a timeline and add chapters for certain creatures

[split mortar]

I havent even read the lore doc once lmao

[young socket]

read it

[rough plume]

The lore doc has a LOT of cool stuff

[split mortar]

No

[rough plume]

But it's basically just the lore items and "this seems to be true" or "that happened"

[young socket]

anyways yharim says the tectonics cannot seal/crush it so like

[rough plume]

It mostly just clarifies the lore items

[young socket]

somethings forcing that open

[split mortar]

Yharim is not the most accurate source of info
-# tho if its all we got then ig thats fair

[rough plume]

He provides a pretty good retelling of the lore (as in he's our only source)

Yharim seems to basically say it's just home to a buncha sea creatures (and formerly Anihata)

[young socket]

i mean that info could be from yharon, whos atleast 1800 years old, or from draedon, who def has the technology to atleast somewhat predict the geology of the abyss over history

[split mortar]

The bestiary and draetalk normally talk about important things aswell

[cunning flare]

Daedron too

[rough plume]

"Although she claims dominion over all the world's oceans, in truth she is a recluse of the deep."

[rough plume]

Oh yeah, true

[rough plume]

The beastiery usually provides kinda minimal info in my experience, but I've yet to check too thoroughly

[rough plume]

She might have come FROM the abyss

[young socket]

it gives quite important information

[split mortar]

Whatever the bestiary says is completely true tho

Its a unbiased and omniscient source of info

[rough plume]

Tbf we have no reason not to believe Yharim

[split mortar]

In this case yeah

Many other times we do

[young socket]

this means that the moray eel joke is objectively funny

[split mortar]

Yes

[cunning flare]

Other than his mental state and the strong bias he would have

Also, I know of at least one instance of Yharim being wrong, that being the king slime lore

The king slime lore basically denies the possibility of king slime existing

[rough plume]

He seems relatively unbiased compared to what you'd expect
Mental state IS a fair argument though, he seems more interested in retelling the story of the world he kinda threw into shambles but hey, maybe I'm too untrustworthy

[rough plume]

Lemme go read that rq

[pliant ruin]

Yharim is like extremely biased

[young socket]

what?

[pliant ruin]

Like he is bias incarnate

[split mortar]

Yharim is among our most biased sources

[pliant ruin]

He is john bias

[split mortar]

^

[young socket]

yea he also messes up biology like three times

[pliant ruin]

That's not bias that's just him being a little tupid

[rough plume]

I'm just a Yharim defender 😔

[split mortar]

gods arent inherently evil
Dragons werent pure good

Turns out genocide isnt a good or unbiased answer

[cunning flare]

Yeah the lore is all about how slimes will obviously never form anything significant

[rough plume]

It says it's rare but possible

"They amass by chance" and "Though it appears they are capable of absorbing knowledge, if only in rudimentary form."

Amass only by chance*

[split mortar]

Given time, these gelatinous creatures absorb each other and slowly grow in both size and strength.
There is little need to worry about this. Naturally, slimes are nearly mindless and amass only by chance.
Though it appears they are capable of absorbing knowledge, if only in rudimentary form

[rough plume]

It basically just says "this is a super rare case"

[cunning flare]

They have enough knowledge to make a king slime sized crown

[split mortar]

This doesnt deny king slime existing

[split mortar]

We dunno how the crown got there

For all we know its some onyx kinsman tradition

[rough plume]

He also has a ninja inside him tbf

[pliant ruin]

Yharim is a very nice guy.
Minus that time he commit a global genocide on a scale that is beyond even the deadliest real life genocides
And that time he actively made use of weapons considered war crimes in real life
Or that time he groomed a child into being a soldier for his army
Or that time he blew up a entire civilization using said child soldier, killing an unsunmourtable ammount of innocents and citizens, destroying centuries of culture, causing a local mass extinction, all because there were 2 gods in said civilization

[rough plume]

Very possible actually

[cunning flare]

Who is way too small to wear it

[rough plume]

Yeah but he looks cool!

[split mortar]

Yharim is straight up racist

[rough plume]

Yeah but the crown is probably the least of our worries, like why is bro in there

[pliant ruin]

He does look pretty cool but he's also like a pretty terrible person

And racist yeah

[young socket]

dont forget the time he released a nanovirus

[rough plume]

That was Draedon

[split mortar]

Like not even kidding or joking
Just actually racist

[pliant ruin]

Nah it was him actually

[young socket]

no it was yharim

[rough plume]

Oh fr?

[young socket]

yea

[pliant ruin]

Draedon made the plague

[split mortar]

Draedon had it contained
He punched it out of containment

[pliant ruin]

But Yharim released it when he had a manchild rage fit

[rough plume]

I thought they split ways because of the experiments eith it

Ahh, I see

[young socket]

"Something about this research in particular incensed the Godseeker. Upon witnessing my progress, he flew into a rage. He blasted out a sizable chunk of the genomic laboratory and intentionally allowed my first, unfinished specimen to escape. In no uncertain words, he terminated his agreement with me and stormed off. I do not know what line was crossed, but he has made no further moves to antagonize me, so I shall continue my research in peace."

[split mortar]

They did

[rough plume]

I needa give the lore another read

It's been too long

[cunning flare]

The plaguebringer goliath is a queen bee who was captured, forcibly cyberized, and enslaved.

[rough plume]

Yharim REALLY likes bees

[cunning flare]

Fuck I replied to the wrong message by accident

[split mortar]

Being genuine
No its the plague not the bees that angered yharim

[cunning flare]

Meant to reply to this

[young socket]

i like how this implies yharim just looked at the tiny ass work in progress pbg fly out of the lab and then turn towards draedon and essentially give him a stare of "this is your fucking fault"

[rough plume]

"Why this 👑 so mad"

[pliant ruin]

It's very unfortunate that so many people read Yharim as a tragic hero fallen from grace when his actual characterization is genuinely much more interesting than that and the fact he fools people into thinking he was a fallen hero is a perfect display of how good of a representation of a manipulative propagandist he is

[rough plume]

Oh he's most certainly a bad guy

[split mortar]

Its the plague which is just automated slavery that angered yharim, it being a queen bee may have made it slightly worse but the plague was the cause

[rough plume]

I just like him cuz he's cool!

[rough plume]

That makes sense

[mighty zenith]

obviously draedon is also to blame for the plague, HE created it

[pliant ruin]

I like him too he's like arguably the best written cal character atm

[rough plume]

Both sides are bad ™️

[mighty zenith]

but Yharim is the reason why it breached containment and spread through the jungle

both of them fucked up

[cunning flare]

Why would he want you to kill him then?

[rough plume]

Still can't wait for the dimension that made Draedon and Yharim say "fuck that I'm out"

[pliant ruin]

He dosen't

He is willing to die

[mighty zenith]

he wants to fight you

[pliant ruin]

but he dosen't want you to kill him

exactly

he wants to fight you

[rough plume]

He knows you'll try to anyways

[pliant ruin]

to see if you're worthy of being his sucessor

he's not suicidal

[split mortar]

He is just willing to die if it means you may continue the global genocide

[rough plume]

We're just cleaning his shit up basically

[mighty zenith]

if he wanted to die he could just
idk fight xeroc

[pliant ruin]

he's just willing to sacrifice himself for his cause

if he wanted to die he could just go drown or something

[rough plume]

"God of primordial light? Sounds fun"

[cunning flare]

What was he meant to do? Aren't queen bees sapient? To do anything else would be to willfully allow a slave to remain enslaved.

[pliant ruin]

No they're not sapient

[split mortar]

Yharim is well aware how fucking nuts powerful xeroc is sonce they mention it in exo lore that xeroc makes the exos not above all gods

[pliant ruin]

He could've like

fucking killed it

[rough plume]

When has Yharim ever had good foresight let's be honest

[pliant ruin]

It's in perpetual agony
Its skin is rotting away

[cunning flare]

Isn't them being sapient the whole reason Daedron wanted them in the first place? He needed sapient biological life.

[pliant ruin]

No

[split mortar]

Yharim does when it comes to commiting atrocities and killing gods

[pliant ruin]

He said nothing about sapience

He chose the Queen Bee specifically because of its eusocial natural

nbatur

i cant speak

im b

[rough plume]

He's so based for that!!

[pliant ruin]

[split mortar]

Creature

[young socket]

he basically says that
if i want to control life
i must able to control the brain
however life is too adaptable
EUREKA! make my thing adapt too!

[mighty zenith]

freeing it did nothing except cause even more creatures to suffer

[pliant ruin]

also yeah that

its still in constant pain

all that changes is that now it is spreading said constant pain

ideally if you wanted a happy ending for pbg you'd just kill it

it's the best thingg you can do

[rough plume]

Draedon after seeing his mess and just fucking off to some abandoned holy place

[split mortar]

Yharim freed the metal zombie infected bee and turns out the metal zombie infection infects things

[mighty zenith]

omg this is just like sonic idw comics

[split mortar]

Does it make the bees nuclear powered

[rough plume]

Plague power ™️

[pliant ruin]

Yharim when the giant vengeful murder ghost vengefully murders things

[rough plume]

Yharim after ruining an ecosystem multiple times

[mighty zenith]

yharim when he has to deal with consequences of his actions

[rough plume]

(The plague, silva, the gods from the beginning of his conquest)

My tyrant in christ, do better!

[mighty zenith]

silva arguably improved the ecosystem

[split mortar]

Silva technically helped the ecosystems

[young socket]

yknow i just realised how horrifying it was seeing the draedons arsenal for the first time

ur opponents a few days ago were using muskets but now theyre shooting energy beams at u with near infinite ammo and are like three times more powerful

[rough plume]

Idk she IS fucking up the abyss

[mighty zenith]

is she though?

[split mortar]

How so

[mighty zenith]

theres like
plant life there now

[rough plume]

Maybe I'm crazy abd misunderstand it

[young socket]

she was like

[split mortar]

They making it easier to live there due to animals feeding on the plants caused by silva

[cunning flare]

This confuses me on the relationship between the brain and the soul. Souls demonstrably still have minds even when they leave the body, so the brain can't be entirely responsible for the mind. What does Draedon expect to achieve by controlling the brain?

[young socket]

already there before

[split mortar]

I think it hasnt been established yet the relation between the two

[cunning flare]

That's not necessarily a good thing. Invasive species are a thing.

[young socket]

souls prob cant do much while in the body

[wheat walrus]

Khezu

[split mortar]

Evidently brain has higher priority then soul tho when alive

[young socket]

there always was plant life

stupid

[rough plume]

Only certain souls seem to demonstrate that kind of power though

[mighty zenith]

💥

[mighty zenith]

shut up im eepy

[rough plume]

If I had to guess the soul is responsible for something actually being ALIVE

[young socket]

shes been in there before and was the sole reason why azafure was habital all those years ago

[cunning flare]

The mech bosses were made with mortal souls

[rough plume]

They had a vessel to control, though

[split mortar]

Depends on if zombies and ravager are alive

[rough plume]

My point is without a vessel not many souls retain control over themselves (such as the gods who created the crimson and corruption seemingly still living on)

[split mortar]

So was polterghast

Evidently mortal souls can be strong enough to last a whole

[rough plume]

Zombies are alive after death, so maybe they still have souls???

[dusk laurel]

[rough plume]

Hmm

[dusk laurel]

read our document...

[split mortar]

Ravager doesnt have a soul

God souls kinda explode iirc

[rough plume]

Their bodies "fester" as yharim says

[split mortar]

The lore doc or spoiler doc?

[stoic gulch]

Melon gun try not to end sentence with iirc

[rough plume]

It is a semi-mechanical creation, no?

[young socket]

no

all flesh

[split mortar]

Nope, revived god of sacrifices

[dusk laurel]

what?

[rough plume]

Ohhh I see

[young socket]

its the necromanced corpse of the god of sacrifices

[rough plume]

That's a very good question then

[split mortar]

Snail

[young socket]

u said revived which is technically wrong so explode urself iirc

[split mortar]

How is it technically wrong

[young socket]

because a necromanced thing isnt being made alive again

[rough plume]

I'm assuming certain rituals could bring back a corpse witjput a soul (such as whatever the fuck they did)

[young socket]

necromancy is just a normal type of magic

me when i control ur bones : D

[rough plume]

Didn't it require sacrificing the people who did it?

[stoic gulch]

NO

NONO

[dusk laurel]

i dont think this is the fault of no information spread

[stoic gulch]

DONT YOU DARE

[dusk laurel]

like

[split mortar]

You might be able to snackrifice others in other magics

[cunning flare]

I believe it killed the warlocks who created it after its creation

[dusk laurel]

this is just easy to assume

the folly event is just an idea

[young socket]

they didnt need to die to do it

for example cal uses plenty of necromancy without dying

[dusk laurel]

why wouldnt more people have ideas

[young socket]

its possible that dying couldve strengthened it in some way but necromancy doesnt require ur own death to perform

[split mortar]

Also it was the god of sacrifice i imagine that may be another reason to sacrifice stuff

[split mortar]

^

[young socket]

i wonder if they tried to like

collect his essence

and t ry forcing it into his body to get its powers back

[split mortar]

Probsably

[young socket]

and then did the sacrifice thing

[rough plume]

That sounds right

WHY NO REPLY

[pliant ruin]

guys i bought cookies does anyone want some

[rough plume]

I want some

[young socket]

its also possible that god corpses do retain enough essence to just do the sacrifice and it still be able to recognise the sacrifices

[rough plume]

All the lore hurts my head

[young socket]

meeee :3

gimme

[cunning flare]

Yes

Give

The dragon demands it

[rough plume]

Speaking of dragons

WHERE'S MT YHARON PLUSHIEEE

[young socket]

isnt it starting ships in like

a week or two

[pliant ruin]

🍪

[young socket]

YAYYYY :333

[pliant ruin]

gorthus plushie

pls...

[split mortar]

Gorthus

[rough plume]

The deadline ORIGINALLY was april 2 - may 2

But now it's early to mid may

[young socket]

we dont even know how gorthus LOOKS like

[rough plume]

So I'm very sad

[pliant ruin]

gorthus is too niche of a character hes never getting a plushie this is sosad

yes we do!!! umm

[rough plume]

He looks like gorthus

Duh...

[pliant ruin]

hes a salmon.... and stip had him as his pfp... and umm.... yeah

[dusk laurel]

bluish salmon

grey blue

[young socket]

was this said in an email to customers cuz the website still says apr2-may2

[rough plume]

Had to email them myself

[pliant ruin]

honestly it's funny that when gorthus was revealed i just developed a unexplained attachment to him. admittedly his character is very cool but i think the real reason i became so attached to him was the fact he's the first actual new cal character that will actually appear ingame in like, years, plus all the lore community shenanigans that surrounded him and the hype he generated

[young socket]

ah alr

[rough plume]

I'm gorthus maxing

[young socket]

i havent bought plush

:c

[pliant ruin]

i think that, combined with his seemingly pretty cute design and interesting characterization genuinely might make him my favorite cal character, although maybe not because it's pretty hard to beat calamitas

[split mortar]

Opinion on yhorm

[pliant ruin]

yhorm isn't real

wake up

[split mortar]

Yhorm

[dusk laurel]

no

[split mortar]

Yhorm

[pliant ruin]

shut up

[rough plume]

Jharon (yharon made of jeans)

[young socket]

what.

[split mortar]

The castaway

[rough plume]

Accept jharon into your life

[pliant ruin]

i'd have genuinely been like

really sad if gorthus wasnt real given how much i got attached to the little dude

i'm glad he turned out to be legit

[young socket]

im killing gorthus

[split mortar]

Yeah yhorm was the better one to lose

[young socket]

im gonna dm stip rn

and ask

[split mortar]

Fuck you

[young socket]

gorthus

[pliant ruin]

if he wasn't real i'd just have made him real in roy

[rough plume]

NOOO

[young socket]

to be renamed

[young socket]

im going to infiltrate roydev

[mighty zenith]

collect my essence

[young socket]

become brims best friend

make sure they write that i am the roy successor in their will

[split mortar]

Ill tell on you

[young socket]

AND KILL EM

and then with my new ownership

ILL MAKE SURE YOU NEVER MAKE GORTHUS IN ROY

[dusk laurel]

some of the questions that gorthus answered seemed to imply that the shores has a lot of ruined buildings in it

[pliant ruin]

calsad

[split mortar]

It makes sense

[pliant ruin]

gorthus is likely tied with calamitas for my favorite cal character at this point

[split mortar]

Calamitas gets to say the one (1) swear

[young socket]

not anymore im gonna make fucking

idk

[pliant ruin]

never thought i'd see the day calamitas gets a equal in the "how much cheese likes a character from calamity mod" and even less thought it'd be a fish

[young socket]

lunatic cultist say it

[pliant ruin]

@cosmic zenith thank u for making gorthus bossman

[rough plume]

I love fish

Can we filet gorthus.

[pliant ruin]

me too i'm studying to be a marine biologist
or
i would be if i didn't keep procrastinating my lessons

don't

i'll kill you

[rough plume]

He's probably yummy ....

[split mortar]

Gorthus is alredy dead thats moldy skeleton

[rough plume]

Extra flavor

[split mortar]

Mods Get the crystal

[rough plume]

Mods, give him the nanovirus

[young socket]

im gonna go back in time to find gorthus AND COOK HIM

[split mortar]

The nefarious scal

[rough plume]

Scale

Bc he's a FISH

[cosmic zenith]

No problem ;)

[rough plume]

Clam mod ?? ❌️❌️❌️
Gorthus mod

[split mortar]

Btw solar fragments contain primordial light to some degree

[rough plume]

That makes sense

[dusk laurel]

im going to boil you

[young socket]

hey stip can u rename gorthus please n thanks 🙏

[rough plume]

Are you gonna season me first?

[dusk laurel]

no

no not you

[cosmic zenith]

Nah

[rough plume]

Oh okay

[young socket]

crying

[rough plume]

Stip is gorthus edible??

Like how yummy would he be

[split mortar]

Vanillon is just a hater smh my head

[rough plume]

On a scale of ravager-gorthus

[cosmic zenith]

I never asked

[young socket]

vonollon is a big stinky person

[split mortar]

Pets boil vanallan

[rough plume]

Only one way to find out...

[split mortar]

Stip how was the housing market affected thanks to the crusade

[dusk laurel]

why does this channel make people gain a taste for sapient beings

[split mortar]

In ilmeris

[split mortar]

Idk

[young socket]

"its too late [whoever the corruption gods were called], ive already made a meme where i depict myself as a chad and you lot as soyjaks!" -yharim

[dusk laurel]

like

if gorthus is a salmon

you could just

go to the store

and buy a salmon

[young socket]

ok but these r literallyfish people

[dusk laurel]

people

[young socket]

like

[dusk laurel]

you just said it

[young socket]

are they more people flavoured or more fish flavoured

do you not wonder?

[dusk laurel]

no

i dont want to know

[split mortar]

Tsuki displaying zoo animal behaviour yet again

[young socket]

I AM NOT

A ZOO ANIMAL

[rough plume]

Yharim if he was hungry

[rough plume]

No more rent

No seriously my tenants better pay rent for me killing gods to keep them safe

[young socket]

O H MY GOD

i just thought of

[split mortar]

Yharim was invading ilmeris not the other way round

[young socket]

ok so like

[rough plume]

Yeah so no more rent

[young socket]

fuck idk how to say this

do yall know how sometimes in america u hear about entitled people who say shit like "my husband works for the army so u better respect me"

do you think

[dusk laurel]

dear lord

[young socket]

the spouses of ppl who were married to people in the crusade did the same thing

[split mortar]

Some prob did

[young socket]

where they demanded respect

"my husband is out there killing gods, i better get a damn discounnnnttttt"

[rough plume]

LMAO

THAT'D BE GREAT

[split mortar]

They wont even need it yharim treated the yharmy really well mostly

Including pay iirc

[young socket]

that just makes it funnier tbh

[rough plume]

Well they DID commit atrocities, least he can do is pay them well

[rough plume]

Some happily (the fear corp with their flamethrowers)

[split mortar]

May i remind you yharim had tech more advanced then irl for a great chunk of the crusade and most of the world was early industrial revolution

[rough plume]

Didn't stop him from sending our asses to the dark ages again

[split mortar]

Theres still places with tech more advanced then irl

Wulfrum tech and prosthetics are semi commonly messed with

[young socket]

#lore-discussion message

[split mortar]

[dusk laurel]

imagine, near the end of the crusade

someone pulls out a fucking pulse rifle

[split mortar]

Imagine working with like muskets and early weaponry and rations while your enemy has ac in their armour and eating well

[young socket]

pulse rifle wasnt given to yharmy

[dusk laurel]

i know

[young socket]

no u dont

stupid

[cunning flare]

I don't think the enemy would have had muskets. Someone had to build Draedon, after all.

[dusk laurel]

shut up

[dusk laurel]

the person who did is dead

and like a very unique person

[limpid saddle]

yeah it was exactly one highly secluded really smart guy like a 1000 years ago

[young socket]

they had conventional firearms before draedons arrival

[split mortar]

Azafure was among the farthest in tech on the world and
Uh
They were just starting industrial revolution when crusade started

iirc

[dusk laurel]

it was NOT 1000 years ago

[split mortar]

660 ish

[young socket]

like i dont think people realise how old guns were

[cunning flare]

Then again, historical technological advancement is all over the place in Calamity, since Draedon's early robots were supposedly made of steel and oil, which... how does Draedon himself exist if that's the level of technology he has access to?

[young socket]

the traditional flintlock came about in the 1700s iirc

[cunning flare]

You misunderstand. I'm not saying "they didn't have muskets, they would have used swords instead", I'm saying "they didn't have muskets, they would have used assault rifles instead".

[young socket]

draedon was just much more advanced

[robust osprey]

draedon's technology was not the average technology

[dusk laurel]

theres a reason why draedon was so vital to the crusade

[robust osprey]

even if draedon was that advanced, other technologies weren't

[split mortar]

Im saying the opposite
Im saying they wouldnt be advanced enough for anything to compare to draedon or the crusades gear until quite a bit into the crusade

[cosmic zenith]

It was pretty shaken

[light linden]

hi stip

[cosmic zenith]

Hello!

@pliant ruin Remember this spoiler?

Now, I need yoy to choose one of these

[ ] Sigil + Labyrinth
[ ] Sigil + Treasury
[ ] Labyrinth + Treasury
[ ] Workshop + Sigil
[ ] Workshop + Labyrinth
[ ] Treasury + Workshop

[young socket]

why does cheese always get to be the main character

[cosmic zenith]

Let's go with you, then

Pick one!

[hoary cape]

Cheese is the main character

Everyone knows this

[young socket]

i think

[limpid saddle]

tsuki you've been given the opportunity to be the protag

[young socket]

hm actually

[limpid saddle]

take it

[young socket]

im having a hard time picking between either labyrinth + treasury or treasury + workshop

workshop + labyrinth is also a good pick methinks

[hoary cape]

Pick W

[cosmic zenith]

Sigil ones are pretty good too

[young socket]

sigil is too

like

vague of a concept

id rather a safe bet

[cosmic zenith]

It has the sigil of the Bonescrappers

[split mortar]

bonescrappers when boneeaters

[cosmic zenith]

Bonescrappers when bonescratchers

[young socket]

im going withthis

[cosmic zenith]

My bones itch....

I'll give you another chance because that one is one of the lamest imo

[long bloom]

oof ouch owie my bones

[young socket]

wtf !

[light linden]

stip can I ask a question?

[robust osprey]

psst

[cosmic zenith]

Sure

[robust osprey]

pick sigil and laberynth

[young socket]

sigil + treasury then

[split mortar]

chat we must overthrow stip they are rude

[robust osprey]

true

I will be the new lorewritter

old lore yharim is coming back

[light linden]

could the astral infection take over the ravager?

[split mortar]

what is plague plating made of

[light linden]

or are they still sapient?

[young socket]

explode yourself

[split mortar]

💥

[cosmic zenith]

Unclear
They might be able to, but I think the Infection would take a really long time to do so

[cosmic zenith]

Definitely one of my favorites

[robust osprey]

SWEET

[young socket]

natural obsidian crates... so peak...

[long bloom]

the boner treasury

[young socket]

lets u fit way more chest loot without it being chests...

[split mortar]

[cosmic zenith]

True, but be careful....

[pliant ruin]

stip sustaining the lore spoilers economy

[magic epoch]

don't obsidian crates need shadow key

[young socket]

oh dear god the crates r booby trapped

[magic epoch]

wait no

that's shadow lock vox

[young socket]

yeah

[cosmic zenith]

This is 2/3s of Hadean Wilds P1 done

[young socket]

the actual important loot from obsidian chests r in a seperate grab bag

[long bloom]

hype

[cosmic zenith]

Only one type of structure left, which has 3 variants

[magic epoch]

the actual important loot is superheated blood

[young socket]

@dusk laurel go to work, spoiler doccer

[long bloom]

go my scarab

[cosmic zenith]

Considering Bonescrapper Caches had 6 variants and I finished 5 yesterday, this should be easy

[long bloom]

holy

[dusk laurel]

no

it's like one structure

[young socket]

u add stohne and aether blocks but not an entire structure???

🫗

[magic epoch]

what the fuck that's an emoji I've never seen before

[dusk laurel]

aether blocks?

[dusk laurel]

that

is cryonic ore

[young socket]

o

[dusk laurel]

i'll add a link to the video when it gets posted

[split mortar]

🫗

[dusk laurel]

oh right you're a snail now

[young socket]

💔 💔 💔 💔 🫗 🫗 🫗 🫗 🫗 🫗 🫗

[split mortar]

🥀

[pulsar ocean]

is auric more toxic than asbestos

[light linden]

[magic epoch]

i was shocked when i saw 🕴️ but this is new and thus exciting

[light linden]

maybe?

tbh there's not exactly a massive sample size

[split mortar]

we dunno for sure about its toxicity or even if it is, tho it is more lethal due to exploding people on touch

[light linden]

and even then we'd need yharim to test it

and I doubt he'd be willing to eat what he likely sees as sacred

[long bloom]

a dev confirmed auric is 50x more toxic than lead

[pulsar ocean]

How toxic is asbestos compared to lead

[long bloom]

from what i can gather from skimming google lead is sliiiightly worse but they're basically the same

they just fuck you in different ways

[spring helm]

asbestos is bad for you because hte stuff's basically glass, so when you inhale the dust from it you're basically inhaling a bajillion tiny knives which fuck up your lungs

and that leads to cancer and other respiratory illnesses

lead is bad for you because it replaces the calcium in your cells, so it acts like a neurotoxin

[unborn wind]

truth nuke

i adore yharim and fully believe its a disservice to his character to believe his narrative about what a tragic fallen hero he is

[spring helm]

is it manipulative propaganda if he really does believe he is a fallen hero?

[unborn wind]

yes

[spring helm]

ok

wait that's not what i came here for

is Braelor's armour the same as the Silva armour we make or at least equivalent?

[unborn wind]

yharim actively lies and omits details in order to make himself seem less awful even when he's apparently trying to admit to the horrible things he's done

[split mortar]

I think equivalent to the melee armour?

[unborn wind]

its one of my favorite things about him

[spring helm]

ok so when a woman manipulates you it's because they're gaslight, gatekeep, girlbossing but when a man does it it's because he's a genocidal dictator hellbent on regressing the world into a state that he wasn't even alive for?

[unborn wind]

to me there is a level of tragedy about yharim but it's not because he was ever doing something good. because he was not

[unborn wind]

what

[spring helm]

idk

[unborn wind]

where did i say literally any of that hello

[spring helm]

oh it had nothing to do with you it just popped in my head

Yharim is tragic in some way, but like the same way Macbeth is tragic

because there was a chance at the beginning for something good to happen but they instead decided to dive headfirst into murder

[unborn wind]

to me yharim is tragic because with how dedicated he is and how strong his sense of justice is he had the potential to have actually bettered the world in some way but he's like. batshit crazy

him growing up in a cult makes so much fucking sense to me like yharim did one moral thing in his entire life (refusing to kill yharon and absorb his soul) and for it the cult he grew up in enacted horrible violence on him and he turned right around and proceeded to do even worse to the entire world for like 100 years

[cloud ibex]

correct

[swift ferry]

personally I just don't wanna kill him. let me talk it out. bro to bro

I'll steven universe him

[split mortar]

Insert that one naruto image

[unborn wind]

i dont want to kill yharim i want to show up on his doorstep and read aloud a 50 page essay on why he isn't a hero and why nobody will remember him fondly after he dies and how his death will actively make the world a better place and nobody will ever forgive him for what he's done and i want him to sit and wallow in misery until he keels over from old age

[spring helm]

im not so sure he cares that people hate him

[split mortar]

Yharim would be like
“Idc”

“They worshipped gods it was justified”

[spring helm]

i've read his character like mcu thanos in a way

absolutely obsessed with enacting his plan to "better" the world, knowing he will have to do incredible evil in the process. but any evil he commits will be justified in the name of his mission.

[unborn wind]

if yharim didn't care about how the world sees him he wouldn't constantly be trying so fucking hard in all his ramblings to the player to paint himself as tragic and helpless and just. in my opinion. like i dont think its a priority to him but

[swift ferry]

yharim showing up in your town trying to explain himself to every other npc

[unborn wind]

crying

hewas just a little misguided is all

[split mortar]

He just wanted to stop the genociders

[tropic oak]

yharim was right

kill all gods

im a yharmaist

[unborn wind]

discord user "tyrant" would never say such a thing i can't believe it

[split mortar]

I keep on thinking your pfp is braelor

[tropic oak]

it is

my partner and i are statis and braelor. they drew it

[split mortar]

Oh damn cool

[spring helm]

that's because Yharim wants you to continue his goal

[unborn wind]

good point

[spring helm]

other people can't do that, but you can (probably), so he has a vested interest in manipulating you specifically to be more sympathetic

[unborn wind]

my point was i want yharim to suffer beyond death

[spring helm]

force-feed him the evil and hallow biome essence until he blows up

[unborn wind]

i want him to be trapped in the torment nexus for all eternity. i do love him btw

[stuck hemlock]

i have a question, is yharim the one speaking trough lore items?

[dusk laurel]

yep

[stuck hemlock]

and the terminus is xeroc?

[dusk laurel]

yah

[stuck hemlock]

the cynosure lore item says: You now stand at the brink of infinity. The power you have amassed is extraordinary.
Valor and deceit, truth and falsehood, loyalty and betrayal… you are beyond these notions.
You have rent all asunder as they crossed your path. The very land now bends to your will.
Do you not see how the grass parts where you step, how the stars illuminate where you gaze?
Terraria itself kneels to you, whether it be out of fear or respect.
This is the strength the Dragons held. The primordial power they commanded.
Little stands between us now. If you did not seek battle with me, I doubt you would have come so far.
When you are prepared: seek the grave of the Light, at the summit of the Dragon Aerie.
I await your challenge.

is this a reference to a yharim fight?

[unborn wind]

yes

[spring helm]

correct

[stuck hemlock]

nice

[spring helm]

yharim is next after draedon and calamitas

but he's not going to get added until the last update