lore-discussion

[young socket]

he also acted as a spy

like ofc he would be a spy when he has access to tiny camera drones

[snow mountain]

draedon would be good at performing colonoscopies

[cosmic sandal]

i like to imagine the way we see the game is how dradeon does using cameras

like we are playing the entire game through the eyes of one of those drones

[paper oyster]

Does Draedon canonically lobotomizes his creations to like keep control and shit

[split mortar]

Pretty sure they just
Dont code free will into them

[young socket]

he isnt glados

[split mortar]

And the one time things did have free will
They found out how to control organic life to be able to undo that in the future if they ever have to

[dark sundial]

Im prety sure none of his creations has cosience

They are only machines

[split mortar]

Except base mech bosses since they had souls

[sinful adder]

It's not lobotomizing if they never had a brain to begin with

[dark sundial]

Draedon likes to have total control

It would be possible for draedon to add an auric soul in one of his creations?

[split mortar]

No cause no auric souls exist and yharons is a mcfuck pain to get ahold of

If they somehow did get a soul
Yeah prob

[young socket]

and also

[dark sundial]

Isnt possible to absorb a auric sol from a auric god or only dragons?

[young socket]

theyre still a soul

so thatd just be yharon in a mech

[split mortar]

Though it would be monstrously harder to control then a normal soul

[split mortar]

God souls dont have auric souls in them, the dragons soul is effectively forever erased

[dark sundial]

Imagine how op a mech powered by a auric soul

Oh

[dark sundial]

It would be like a Eva from evangelion

[manic coral]

saying "auric god" is like saying "cocoa chocolate"

[split mortar]

If they could be extracted
The dragons would be damn near close to coming back

[split mortar]

Or what that one spiderman in one of the spiderverse movies say about chai tea iirc

[dark sundial]

And draedon is the smartest guy in cal lore right?

[young socket]

well no because thats the same word

[dark sundial]

Or there is someone smarter than him

[manic coral]

yeah my point is moreso

[young socket]

it would be like

chai leaf chai

[manic coral]

"cocoa chocolate" implies chocolate not make of cocoa exists

same with "auric god"

[manic coral]

ok not a flawless comaprison since TECHNICALLY there is

[dark sundial]

?

[manic coral]

but my point is still the same

[young socket]

i assume u mean deus

[manic coral]

no i mean

chocolate not amde with cocoa

[young socket]

o h

SHUT

[manic coral]

Deus is entirely different fuckery

[split mortar]

The only people that could be are noxus and xeroc
Xeroc is better in magic but draedon doesnt really understand magic so moot point

So noxus is only option due to us not knowing anything on them
Safe to say draedon is smartest being known in calamity id say

[manic coral]

and at the end of the day

"you technically can't disprove it" isn't the best proof

[dark sundial]

Yharim is smart ? Or he is dumb?

[young socket]

depends

[manic coral]

yharim is stupid but he's not dumb

he's smart and stupid

both at once

[dark sundial]

And the only powerhouses in yharim side right now are scal and yharon?

[split mortar]

Not scal

Just yharon

[long bloom]

yharim may be intelligent, but he's still a dumbass

[split mortar]

And technically dog

[manic coral]

and, if you count him, yharim himself

[manic coral]

exactly

[dark sundial]

Its funny that yharim just allow us to kill yharon

[manic coral]

it's ahrd to count anybody who genuinely, whole-heatedly thinks that the solution to a problem is genocide, it's hard to call them SMART

[young socket]

a chemist might not know everything about psychology

[long bloom]

everyone left yharim because of how much he sucks and ruins everything he touches

[dark sundial]

Yharim is basicaly eren

[split mortar]

Yharon will come back and its basically guaranteed we dunno how to god ascend using the soul if we did somehow get to the egg

[long bloom]

there's a complicated ritual to absorb an auric soul and we killed everyone left who knew how before we asked them

[dark sundial]

If yharim is such an asshole why yharon is still in his side?

[split mortar]

Yharon is also a ass hole

Yharon encourages it

[dark sundial]

Oh

I mean everyone in call lore is an asshole besides aquatic scourge

He is a good boi

[long bloom]

yeah

[split mortar]

Deus aint :(

[long bloom]

can devs make deus an actual god

it's really stupid that they're not

[dark sundial]

Its funny that we kill eldritch beings then we kill AS that is just a big aquatic worm

[split mortar]

They can
They wont

They dont wanna retcon too much

[long bloom]

what is that retconning

[split mortar]

Infact imo its better deus aint a god cause that is just ruining some cool space lore imo

[dark sundial]

Technicaly Deus is an alien

Not a God

[split mortar]

Not even technically they just are (also god and alien can both be the case)

[dark sundial]

Astrum deus is just a big space worm

[long bloom]

i'm saying it would be better if deus was a god imo

[split mortar]

Deus wouldnt be able to be infected if they were a god

[long bloom]

why

[dark sundial]

But he would the god of what?

[long bloom]

the stars

[split mortar]

Since someone has to do a complex ritual which requires them to yknow
Understand it

[long bloom]

god of the stars

[jaunty marsh]

Yharim said he was god of the stars in his lore item

[split mortar]

Stars are just mana:/

[long bloom]

deus's title

[dark sundial]

I mean astrum deus is such a cool boss

[split mortar]

^

[dark sundial]

To be just a space worm

[split mortar]

it would require changing astral or god ascension to work

[long bloom]

complex ritual for what

to eat stars?

[split mortar]

To god ascens

[split mortar]

You say it here

[dark sundial]

So astrum deus couldnt just eat an dragon? I mean he eats stars as lunch

[long bloom]

deus knowing the ritual does not prevent them from eating an infected star

[split mortar]

Astral cant infect someone who is smart

And they have to be smart to god ascend

[dark sundial]

I mean if DoG ate yharon he would became a god?

[split mortar]

No

You need to do a specific ritual

[dark sundial]

What would happen

[long bloom]

deus's mind could've deteriorated over the centuries
that's not far fetched

[split mortar]

The soul prob goes to noxus or the soul tp’s to the aerie

[dark sundial]

Is possible for someone to absorb more than one auric soul?

[long bloom]

don't think so

[split mortar]

Eh, i think it is considering there is no example of that happening or even being hinted at

[split mortar]

Yes and thats how you experience hell torture

[dark sundial]

Hell torture?

[split mortar]

Absorb like 3 auric souls and you become akin to polterghast

[long bloom]

then make it hinted at

there are things you can do to make almost any idea work

[dark sundial]

So if someone absorbs more than one auric soul he just dies? Like if someone eat a second devil fruit?

[split mortar]

Yharim would have likely also killed deus if they were a god
Idk
I think adding deus directlt to the god plot is just not good

[long bloom]

that's fair

[split mortar]

No their mind gets basically torn apart due to too many souls and the more souls added the worse it is

[long bloom]

also i don't think it's unreasonable for deus to not get yharimed considering that

y'know

they're in space

[split mortar]

If it was that easy im sure more gods would be alive

Yharim would just ask draedon to missile them down or something

[dark sundial]

And DoG sentinels are loyal to him or loyal to noxus?

[long bloom]

sentinels are no longer affiliated with dog

[dark sundial]

Oh

[long bloom]

yeah i don't like it either

[split mortar]

Storm weaver is a animal with no loyalty
Cv is an object
Signus outranks dog in the hierarchy iirc
And yeah sentinels no longer obey dog thats old lore

[magic epoch]

the only tie they all have is the fact they're distortion

[dark sundial]

How signus outrank dog ? He is weaker than dog

[split mortar]

Eh, i think its better since it lets them have more character

That which is able to have character

[split mortar]

I mean
A soldier is often stronger then a politician

Irl

[magic epoch]

it just means the hierarchy isn't dependant on strength

[split mortar]

I doubt the distortion is might makes right

[dark sundial]

So there is more beings like DoG in noxus dimension?

[split mortar]

Unlikely

[long bloom]

isn't signus like extremely intelligent

[split mortar]

Yes

[dark sundial]

So besides Noxus DoG is the strongest in the distortion dimension?

[long bloom]

maybe

[magic epoch]

the distortion is its own place with its own things like flora and fauna i think please correct me

[long bloom]

we don't know what else is out there

[split mortar]

Possibly

[long bloom]

correct

[split mortar]

Yeah but dog could be a thing made by noxus not just a normal creature

[long bloom]

we know literally zero information about noxus other than its name

and that it's important in the distortion

[split mortar]

Wrong
Potential hivemind causer
Boss of dog prob
Creator of cv prob
Threatens world

Thats it

[long bloom]

hivemind causer?

[split mortar]

The distortion likely has a hivemind in it that noxus probably causes

Said by draedon

[long bloom]

separate from the boss

okay

[split mortar]

Look it up in draetalk its prob the dog section or if it exists distortion section

[long bloom]

i wanna see draetalk in my playthrough

[split mortar]

A ok

[dark sundial]

Who would be the weakest god we fight ? Slime god?

[split mortar]

Yes

[jaunty wraith]

Question: are there still connections to the guide and the WOF in calamity or I'd the spawning method just a non Canon remnant from vanilla?

[long bloom]

that is in fact the weakest god we fight yes

[long bloom]

there will be connections

none right now tho

[dusk laurel]

yep

[jaunty wraith]

Yeah outside of very few extra dialog, the vanilla NPCs don't really have much

[dusk laurel]

the guide has something to do with the wall

the guide will talk about it in the next update

[split mortar]

Guide is a azafurian and their collegues are related to wof somehow from a dev statement iirc

[dark sundial]

And besides scal who would be the strongest npc? Permafrost?

[split mortar]

Yeah prob

[long bloom]

calamity guide lore:
-is from azafure
-wof is made out of azafurians
-his wife died in the brimmy vs calamitas fight

[jaunty wraith]

If we wanna go crackpot theory... it be cirrus

[dark sundial]

So permafrost is stronger than amidias?

[long bloom]

vastly

amidias can fight but he's just a guy

permafrost is the greatest mage in history

[split mortar]

Permafrost is strong enough fir cryogen to be a plausible thing to have been made by them

[dark sundial]

Scal is a normam human?

Or she is from another race?

[long bloom]

azafurian

[dark sundial]

Oh

[jaunty wraith]

Are azafurians a type of demon or are they thier own thing?

[long bloom]

environmentally adapted humans

[dark sundial]

Is scal lore still
Yharim: look that homeless girl can defeat Gods i will recruit her

[long bloom]

i think so

[split mortar]

Yes
And they were like 13 when that happened

[jaunty wraith]

It's a lot more emphasis on the tragedy of it then the old lore

[split mortar]

They are just a race of humans

[jaunty wraith]

But the general story of calamitas breaking mentally under yharim

[dark sundial]

There is any civilization in the terraria world when the terrarian arrives besides the lithzards?

[split mortar]

Yes, just
Not many we can access

[jaunty wraith]

There were dryads still

[split mortar]

Due to playing on the hell continent

[split mortar]

Well
Second to the hell continent

[dark sundial]

So the dryads arent almost extinct in cal lore?

[jaunty wraith]

I believe the dryad is still the last of her kind, and even has a line about paying respects to her fallen goddess (silva)

[split mortar]

They were connected to silva and we know yharim happened to her

[jaunty wraith]

She wouldn't die so he threw her in the abyss

[dark sundial]

What you guys think would happen if yharim never found scal?

[split mortar]

Yea

[split mortar]

Dies of a acvident using her magic

[long bloom]

ilmeris and azafure might be slightly less completely fucked

[jaunty wraith]

However she's not truly dead as her influence is heavily present in the abyss

[dark sundial]

And the only person scal likes now is permafrost?

[split mortar]

And the fact she is a elemental

[split mortar]

Uh yeah prob

Everyone she cared about died but them

[dark sundial]

And why scal still help us ?i mean we killed her brothers

[jaunty wraith]

There is a few npcs she gets along with... so there's that

[long bloom]

no we didn't

[split mortar]

Her brothers died in azafure ages aho

Thats their reanimated corpse

[dark sundial]

Oh

[jaunty wraith]

Necromancy is a very inperfect art

[dark sundial]

So what sepulchor is?

[long bloom]

her victims

[jaunty wraith]

Even the most powerful wizards can't keep them stable for long

[long bloom]

i think

[split mortar]

A lot of peoples bones and stuff

[jaunty wraith]

I remember old theories of how that was the fate of the DOG

[dark sundial]

And saw a guy saying: i can fix her

[jaunty wraith]

Honestly she needs therapy

[split mortar]

Yeah

[dark sundial]

I mean she only did those bad things bcs of yharim right?

[jaunty wraith]

Yeah but still

[split mortar]

Yeah she was heavily manipulated into thinking it was good to kill them

Thats still gonna be traumatic thi

[jaunty wraith]

If you were a teen and someone manipulation you to incinerate and entire kingdom...

[split mortar]

And sends you to kill your (adoptive) father

[dark sundial]

I like scal alot as a character and she is the only npc i try to build a nice house for the others only got prison builder

[long bloom]

based

[split mortar]

You will like the fact that in sso they get a dialogue tree

[dark sundial]

I mean at the best of my abilities as a builder that are almost 0

[split mortar]

And so does every cal npc iirc

[jaunty wraith]

The sad irony of that is that the sea king (forgot his name) actually is willing to forgive calamitas for what she did to her kingdom... the only one who doesnt... is herself

[unborn wind]

with calamitas ifeel like its important to remember that she grew up surrounded by war and death and she came to yharim fresh off the heels of violently losing her entire family and then was groomed for years from childhood into becoming a weapon of war

[dark sundial]

Ye

[long bloom]

amidias

[split mortar]

Yeah she is uhhh
Had it a bit rough

[jaunty wraith]

Also, is calamitas canonicly aroace or is that a head cannon?

[long bloom]

canon

[split mortar]

Yes its canon

[unborn wind]

it really bothers me when people act like shes literally satan like. what was teenage heavily traumatized and manipulated calamitas supposed to say when the literal most powerful man on earth told her to commit war crimes. say nuh-uh?

[split mortar]

Not cause trauma
She just is

[dark sundial]

It would be cool to add new dialogues for calamitas and a option for us to talk and try to help her

[jaunty wraith]

Her trauma is the big reason she can't go fight yharim herself

[split mortar]

They get to say the singular (1) swear word allowed in calamity

[dark sundial]

Then if we help her she helps us in the future yharim fight like solyn in wrath of the gods at least for me would be cool

[jaunty wraith]

In raw power she may be more powerful but yharim has way more skill and experience, plus it's beyond likely calamitas would just break down completely seeing him

[unborn wind]

i dont want calamitas to come help us fight yharim

she hs had enough yharim for her entire life

[split mortar]

Aight wotg spoilers bye

[split mortar]

They wont, yharim would get fucking wrecked if they joined

[jaunty wraith]

The player at that point is powerful enough

(Assuming the plan stays the same and calamitas is still the penultimate boss)

[split mortar]

Scal already has a chance to win

[dark sundial]

Or if we help her we unlock more enchantments

[unborn wind]

i don't think calamitas would find any catharsis in killing yharim it would just traumatize her further

[split mortar]

^

[jaunty wraith]

Good point

[split mortar]

Like
Yharim and player are basically equal by then 1=1
Add scal and uts 1 vs 1.95
Not fair

[jaunty wraith]

But does this mean the exo mechs could also take down yharim? He himself admitted that the exo mechs rival calamatis in power

[split mortar]

Yes they have a chance

Infact prob a bigger one since they are made to counter yharim specifically iirc

[unborn wind]

they're made to match his power not counter him

[jaunty wraith]

That obviously won't happen either cause draedon made it clear he just wants to see your fight with him

[split mortar]

A

[manic coral]

the exo-mechs were just made to be on the same level of strength yharim was when he and draedon last met

not to counter him

just yeah as they said

same level of power

[dark sundial]

Draedon do not give a shit about yharim or gods he just want to do his inventions in peace

[jaunty wraith]

Yharim said in the lore item that they were built to challenge any god (though that isn't quite right as they wouldn't be able to brat xeroc)

[split mortar]

Draedon is doing science like a drug

[unborn wind]

listen to what draedon says about the exo mechs not what yharim says about them

[dark sundial]

And noxus?

[split mortar]

Noxus aint a god

Its just
A thing we dunno about

[dark sundial]

He isnt?

[split mortar]

Nop

[long bloom]

nop

[jaunty wraith]

No

[unborn wind]

draedon did not make the exo mechs To challenge gods he says theyve surpassed gods but that wasnt the point of their creation

[dark sundial]

So the only god that is still alive is xeroc?

[split mortar]

Theres other gods then the ones we fight

Also silva is alive

[jaunty wraith]

Providence is another big one

[split mortar]

They uhh
Die to us

[jaunty wraith]

I mean in general

Like when the story starts and we begin ascending beyond your control

[dark sundial]

I mean even if providence is still alive we would just one shot her

[deft valve]

or was that all your intention

[split mortar]

Not even yharim can oneshot her

The strength gap aint THAT big to allow that

[jaunty wraith]

Providence is one of the most powerful gods still remaining

[dark sundial]

I mean we would beat her easily

[split mortar]

True

[jaunty wraith]

There's a reason she never took the player seriously until fovos was slain

[deft valve]

weaker than a fucking fish but ok

[jaunty wraith]

You talking old Duke or primordial wyrm?

[dark sundial]

Providence is so strong that a boomer fish is stronger than her

[split mortar]

tbf old duke survived 8 centuries being hunted by people thinking its an auric dragon

[deft valve]

she needs to learn to pull herself up by her bootstraps

[split mortar]

Also provi has split her power to the guardians aswell

Old duke is not weak

[dark sundial]

He is boomer fishroom

[split mortar]

Older then modern fishrons

The guy has had millenia to grow

Due to being among the first offshoots ever

[jaunty wraith]

I just find it funny that old Duke scales that high in power, at the point we have fought some of the mightiest gods, fought a calglobration of tortured souls... yet this damn fish scales after them

[dark sundial]

So the pigrons are also related to dragons?

[jaunty wraith]

Yes

[split mortar]

Pretty sure yeah

[dusk laurel]

the pigrons are dragons yeah

[dusk laurel]

"fish"

[jaunty wraith]

The wyrms in the abyss also are too I beleige

[split mortar]

Old duke is a dragon that looks like a fish

Well barely

It looks very dragon to me in the reaprite

[turbid solar]

is there a full timeline for the lore? i looked in the one google doc but i couldn't find a full cohesive timeline

[split mortar]

Theres no timeline rn sadly

[turbid solar]

damn

[jaunty wraith]

It's not fully complete yet iirc

[split mortar]

Yeah after sso one will prob be more plausoble

Ima go sleep its half oast midnighg

[dark sundial]

Cal lore still has alot of plotholes

[split mortar]

Such as?

[dark sundial]

I mean alot of things to be explained

[turbid solar]

i just beat scal and i was too lazy to learn about the lore during my playthrough so i was gonna just read about it online but ig there's nowhere to learn it

[unborn wind]

unanswered questions =/= plot holes

[split mortar]

There is the lore doc but thats kinda big
Sadly videos aint the most reliable

[unborn wind]

lore doc in pins

[turbid solar]

i was hoping for a full timeline

but i've been told it doesnt exist

[unborn wind]

you can piece it together by reading the lore

[split mortar]

There are some stuff we know the general time of when they hapoened
But no central thing that explains the timeline has been made

[dark sundial]

Cal would be a cool anime

Or manga

If i had the abilities to draw i would make a cal manga

[turbid solar]

i would definitely watch that

[dark sundial]

Cal has a better lore than most games,animes and mangas that are being released

[manic coral]

if something like either of those did somehow happen in any remtoely offical manner it's something i for should wouldn't allow to happen without being able to have a lot of oversight over it

[manic coral]

definitly a disagree, at least in it's CURRENT public state

[turbid solar]

😭

[dark sundial]

If asked permission to make a cal manga?

[unborn wind]

my dream is that a mysterious wealthy benefactor would randomly show up and be like "this is what you're doing for the rest of your life" and paid me to draw a calamity comic

[dark sundial]

Xd

[turbid solar]

calamity as a whole was really good though

[dark sundial]

Ye it has

[turbid solar]

terraria is already in my top 3 favorite games

[dark sundial]

Most animes and manga that are released nowadays are just generic aura farming number 99999

[pulsar ocean]

yeah no sorry

[split mortar]

Imo a manga or anime would fit better before the terrian pops up

Since a lot of stuff happens in the past

[manic coral]

SSO will hopefully be a decently big step up and that regard

[turbid solar]

AKA the plot of solo leveling

[manic coral]

now that i disagree with

[pulsar ocean]

it has plot?

[manic coral]

frieren, chainsawman, etc

[dark sundial]

As i said most

Not all

[unborn wind]

i don't know why calamity would be adapted into a manga or anime considering it is not of japanese origin

[dark sundial]

Those are minorities nowadays

[split mortar]

I think they on about the isekais sort of things

[manic coral]

(god i love chainsaw man)

[dark sundial]

99% of animes and manga released nowadays are just generic aura farming

Or generic isekai 89900

[split mortar]

Explodes permafrost with brain

Bye for real now bai

[turbid solar]

one peak 🙏

[dark sundial]

Bye

The only anime that i like in this season for example is to be hero x

Peak anime

To be hero x author made one of my favorite anime Link Click

Such a goated anime

For me is on pair with steins gate as a time travel anime

[turbid solar]

nothing compares though

to the real goat

[dark sundial]

?

[turbid solar]

one piece

[dark sundial]

I like OP but not that much

For me is just good

For me at least

[turbid solar]

are you caught up?

[dark sundial]

Ye

[turbid solar]

huh

[dark sundial]

Im waiting the new manga chapter

As i said i like it but i dont find it amazing for me is just good

[turbid solar]

that's fair

but you do have to admit, there's a hell of a lot of lore

[dark sundial]

OP for me is a 8/10

[dark sundial]

Ye

[turbid solar]

that's "good" to you?

[dark sundial]

Most of my rly good animes are 9/10 or 10/10

XD

7/10 for me is reserved for mid animes like naruto

Demon slayer

[turbid solar]

naruto and demon slayer are 6/10s for me

like enjoyable and they have decent stories, but really bland at times and usually follow basic story tropes

[dark sundial]

I mean my favorite anime is on my profile peak and discord name

Overlord

Best isekai in my opinion

[turbid solar]

im not too familiar with isekai

[dark sundial]

Overlord is one of the good ones

[turbid solar]

im new into anime (like 4 years) and most of the stuff i've seen are battle shonen

[manic coral]

wouldn't mid be 5/10

[dark sundial]

Ye that makes sense

[plucky juniper]

so okay i still dont like the "Cthulhu as a term actually means a big monster" thing

its a super lame way to try to explain why Moon Lord isn't Cthulhu and the Eyes and Brains are not part of him

[visual kiln]

p

[lunar thorn]

p

[robust osprey]

p

[robust osprey]

well thats how people named the big monsters

and terrarian probably names TEoC

[plucky juniper]

its not just that

its specifically used to describe something called "X of Cthulhu"

and uh

"of Cthulhu?"

that i think is what throws me off

[robust osprey]

well, what about this, cthuhlu can easily be another name for moonlord

fovos is just

[plucky juniper]

that is true!

[robust osprey]

one of its names

[plucky juniper]

I do not mind that!

hang on i was trying to write down a personal headcanon replacement

[robust osprey]

it has no real name

[plucky juniper]

If I had to do it, here's how I'd try to explain that instead:

The Moon Lord, destructive strength and alien nature and all, was seemingly completely unexplainable, which led to all sorts of misconceptions and confusion. Often, he was often conflated with a mythical sea monster, hence why he is often even to this day referred to as "Cthulhu." This misconception has even led to one set of his minions, named the "Eyes of Cthulhu", having their names conflated with more recent floating eyeball monsters.

[sinful adder]

It also kind of means that moon lord is a Cthulhu

[plucky juniper]

i dunno i dont like making cthulhu a generic title for big monster

it feels

weird

[long bloom]

i like it

it's kinda like mata nui

from bionicle

the name of the island/god but the words just mean "great spirit"

[sinful adder]

I don't think it's really much like that

It feels weird but it's the best explanation we have

[plucky juniper]

it should be better

I doubt mine is the best way, but i think it could inform a better explanation for why a floating eyeball and a floating brain are called "Eye/Brain of Cthulhu" while also explaining away why the Cthulhu-looking monster isnt cthulhu

[sinful adder]

I think that would be worse. It cannot include any direct reference to the idea of Cthulhu we have

Same reason we can't have Christmas or Halloween for the moon events

[plucky juniper]

Why is this important?

[sinful adder]

Lore writers say so

[plucky juniper]

Okay.

In base Terraria, Cthulhu isn't just a random reference thrown in, he's basically integral to the game. Literally the first iconic boss of the game, Eye of Cthulhu, has his name in its name. I don't think he's a random holiday-based event that physically is at complete odds with the written lore for Calamity.

Cthulhu, even if as a nonexistent fictional entity, isn't entirely at odds with the setting.

[pliant ruin]

It's just a standard lore writers have to not directly have content from other media

More of a personal thing than anything methinks

[plucky juniper]

We'd normally not do this, but Cthulhu's name is in the game. They're writing lore for a mod.

[pliant ruin]

yeah but they personally don't want to have chtulhu

so they don't have it

[plucky juniper]

That's okay. I think you can do that. But they way they did that is lame.

[pliant ruin]

That's kind of a rude way to phrase it but okay !

[eager bluff]

they dont want cthulhu (the character) so they didnt have cthulhu (the character)
they're stuck with the name so they have to explain it somehow

[pliant ruin]

I personally am not a huge fan of the Chtulhu explanation and i'd personally rather it just be unexplained because it just ends up being somewhat awkward?

Like, i understand why they did it and i think an attempt to recontextualize the word is kind of neat, but given most Chtulhu-related bosses have "of" in their names it does end up being a little awkward, yeah. It'd make more sense if it was "Chtulhu Brain" or "Chltuhu Eye"

Though again i suppose it could also mean "Brain of a Great Beast" so i guess that is a moot point

[plucky juniper]

And also. If you're gonna go that extra distance of flat out renaming the boss, just don't name them "X of Cthulhu!"

[pliant ruin]

It does still just feel somewhat awkward, i think because ultimately even if the text is telling me Chtulhu means xyz i'll still associate it with the lovecraftian mythos character

[plucky juniper]

thats my problem at the end of the day

[pliant ruin]

So i personally think just not explaining it would've been preferred to me

[plucky juniper]

you cannot tell a person that "Cthulhu is a generic term for a great beast" when there's a Cthulhu connection that is pretty clearly in the base game

[pliant ruin]

But ultimately it's not a big deal in the slightest and i can understand why the lore writers did it so i don't really care that much

maybe the terrarian is just a crazy hp lovecraft nerd idk

[young socket]

theyre not gonna rename the bosses tho

[plucky juniper]

It makes it sound like you're for some reason awfully afraid of the base game's lore. I don't like that...

[tall delta]

what If there was a villain in calamity called Dr. Cthulhu

[young socket]

i also alr explained that ml isnt even that visually similar to cthulhu

[pliant ruin]

Idk about that chief

[young socket]

like it has an octupus head and
_ _
_ _

yea thats fucking it everything else is completely original

[pliant ruin]

This feels like conjecture with no real basis ! Specifically written in a way to make lore writers seem more incompetent !

[plucky juniper]

People conflate monsters of all sorts with each other.

[pliant ruin]

You can criticize things while. yk. not being rude about it

[plucky juniper]

Just look at the dragons of mythologies all around the world

[plucky juniper]

admittedly that is clearly wrong

they arent

[pliant ruin]

And yeah, Moon Lord is visually similar to chtulhu even if it's not literally a 1:1 replica

(Moon lord is a straight downgrade btw Chtulhu himself has a way more uncanny body proportions if you look at the original drawings before the great popculturefication off Chtlhu don't @ me

[plucky juniper]

but i think trying to entirely destroy the cthulhu connection is not entirely needed

[fading helm]

Wouldnt it work if they just said that chtulu is a myth/folklore in calamity world?, and these monster were named after him ig

[plucky juniper]

oyea that. I like that sketch lovecraft did of his boy

[plucky juniper]

thats actually what i was trying to do

[fading helm]

would be a big blue ball ig

considering you wouldnt see any true cthulu

ingame

[plucky juniper]

because i find that current explanation very bad

[fading helm]

perhaps on the abbys there could be something similar to correlate to the myth/folklore

mini boss you know or smth like that

[plucky juniper]

Colossal Squid

🦑

[young socket]

theyre not destroying it theyre recontextualising it to make sense in the world

[plucky juniper]

and, imo, the recontextualising that was done, wasn't particularly well done

[young socket]

again this explanation is what makes cthulhu applicable to 3 things its related to without actually making them perfectly related

[plucky juniper]

I'm calling it "destroying" the connection because it, in essence does. It makes Cthulhu almost entirely unconnected to the Cthulhu looking thing

yet the term still exists

the story writers are, admittedly, not in the ideal spot for this. this is a situation where you don't want to make ML actually cthulhu, but you also for some reason dont want to rename the vanilla bosses for reasons that are probably completely valid but that im not aware of

[pliant ruin]

i don't mind the connection with ML being gone i just think it's sort of awkward
If you just left it unexplained you could fill it in with headcanons

Like yeah, maybe it's mythology/folklore

Or maybe it's just like

as i said

the terrarian is a really big lovvecraft mythos fan !

and they go. woah holy shit is that the EYE OF CHTULHU

[plucky juniper]

doesn the merchant literally refer to an "Eye of Cthulhu"

[young socket]

the problem with this approach is that u need to explain why its given to eoc, boc and ml which one of which is very fucking different to the other 2

[pliant ruin]

i mean

the entrie point of my approach

is that you don't have to explain it

[plucky juniper]

I think the explanation's existence was because people were not sure why they're called "X of Cthulhu"

and they kept asking

[pliant ruin]

Much like how there's no explanation why eidolon wyrms are called eidolon wyrms ! even though eidolon is a word that stems from ancient greek that means ghost

[plucky juniper]

i first heard about this... lore semantic, in a randomly now missing doc that was previously pinned, which was about clarifying the lore

[pliant ruin]

This does make sense though

[young socket]

the explanation is subnautica reference

[plucky juniper]

so ya

[young socket]

also wait @pliant ruin hold on

theyre just called eidolon wyrms cuz of the eidolists worshipping them

[plucky juniper]

oyeah i forgot

[pliant ruin]

yeah but i'm talking about the origin of the word

[plucky juniper]

i mentioned Eater of Worlds cos the ingame lore item tells you about how names can be inaccurate

[young socket]

well that can be argued for a lot of things since the language used in game is (usually) english, and english has a fuck ton of loan words so explaining each one would be

[plucky juniper]

thats also another thing i dont like

[young socket]

oh im sorry are you gonna ask to make an entire fucking language

[plucky juniper]

lmao

[plucky juniper]

quick come up with a name for it

[young socket]

terrarian

[dusk laurel]

gortherian

[young socket]

like that wasnt even difficult to think about its literally on a silver platter

[plucky juniper]

the language of the game is clearly english, even if not mentioned as such. NPCs talk pretty clearly with english statements and phrases and stuff

[pliant ruin]

gorthus ...........

[sinful adder]

Ghost leviathan subnautica reference

[sinful adder]

I think this is just for our convenience

[plucky juniper]

that is ture

TURE!?

[pliant ruin]

What's.. the problem with it being english

Like

[plucky juniper]

Thats not the problem

[pliant ruin]

Oh you're still elaborating oh okay

[sinful adder]

England doesn't exist

[long sand]

Wgat bosses have a auric soul

Like consumed one

[sinful adder]

"yeah they speak English even though England and everything associated with it doesn't exist, don't think about it too hard, thanks" -lore writers

[long sand]

I know provi and slime god have one I think

[plucky juniper]

the problem is, people are going to normally assume that the phrases are still the same mostly, because that's what they normally see. For instance, Yharim refers to DoG's deceitful talking as "a serpent's tongue."

maybe i'm not getting it right. Maybe just look at, for instance, how people in Final Fantasy XIV talk. Sure, it sounds like [language you selected], but you're also going to see specific sayings and terms that replace terms we'd use IRL, like ilms/fulms/yalms/malms/ to refer to measures of distances. It's hard to explain, but it's clear that their lingo (or something, i dunno i dont do linguistics i do volcano facts) is sufficiently different that when we hear someone yell "Thal's Ball!" for the first time, we can intuit that is a specific expletive used in-universe

To get straight to the point, Terraria speech isn't different enough that the player is going to guess that "Cthulhu" refers to something else other than the iconic squid-faced giant from space.

[gaunt sluice]

That is true

On the other hand Cal has a british accent for some reason

[long sand]

Not confirmed

Or like is it

[gaunt sluice]

Idk I'm just referencing the boss music

At the beginning of Stained Brutal Calamity she has like 3 voice lines

[long sand]

The music doesn't even fit the current lore

💔

[gaunt sluice]

Reb said it still mostly works if you stretch it a bit

[wooden shadow]

Does the internet exist in Calamity?

[analog robin]

No

[wooden shadow]

Calamity has no Twitter, proof that it is the better timeline

[plucky juniper]

or better yet

no reddi--

[gaunt sluice]

No r*dd*t in calamity

[plucky juniper]

there is, however a red nation in calamity

Azaf--

[gaunt sluice]

That is a hell nation and it no longer exists

[outer cargo]

Calamity has to have some form of Christianity because the Hermit's box of one hundred medicines says the word goodbye in it, and goodbye comes from the Old English phrase, "God be with ye"

[gaunt sluice]

minecraft end update vibes

[eager bluff]

big e post the thing

[sinful adder]

And yet it doesn't anyways

[pliant ruin]

She probably dosen't

[pliant ruin]

I mean

Draedon is a thing

i'd be more surprised if it dosen't in some capacity, gonna be real

[gaunt sluice]

okay but i'm going to headcanon that she does anyway

[pliant ruin]

Hey did you know Azafure comes from Azufre, which is sulphur in Spanish

Scal has a spanish accent

[young socket]

i cant believe ud lie like that cheese

smh

everyone knoes azafure is based on britaín

[pliant ruin]

Azafure being britain
Yharim loving bees
Calamitas being a girlfailure
Together..... we are bad headcanons...

Or just. flanderization. to some extent, really.

[robust osprey]

me trying to understand why brimmy is "elemental de azufre" if she isnt from sulph sea

[young socket]

ok but azafure is hell had industrial revolution and had a great fire

i think

theres mo e evidence for brotan

[robust osprey]

hell

fire

argentina in january

spanish

[young socket]

theres also the scryllars

who have blades for hands

kknds like britakn having higj knife crim rstes

[robust osprey]

there's a province in argentina literally called

tierra del fuego (land of fire)

azafure is argentina confirmed

[pliant ruin]

ok to be fair

azafure being britain is like

the least egregious of the three

[young socket]

EXAFLTY

[pliant ruin]

it has some slight basis and isn't just blatant media literacy devil speaking but it's still mostly based off some comedic connections between the two

calamitas being a girlfailure is the worst one in my humble opinion because while yharim liking bees is also stupir it's usually more of a oversaturated joke than something people actually believe in

[young socket]

did cslmsifas dver need ro lesdn calcilus

@pliant ruin anewe my measges

slendmsn

[pliant ruin]

[young socket]

msut kneo

[plucky juniper]

i believe it

i believe that he is a bee lover

[swift ferry]

bee lovers will be vindicated when yharim pulls out the auric beekeeper in phase 2

[real silo]

Would yharim kill a god of bees

[fiery meadow]

“My name is Yharim, I committed the genocides.”
“It was easy to kill all the minorities.” 🔥 🔥 🔥

[spare pier]

Death

[gaunt sluice]

hey reb

[split mortar]

Ravager is the revived corpse of a god if that counts
No other bosses are gods tho after that

[snow mountain]

holy fuck azafure is y wladfa?

this is the compromise and thus is most accurate to canon

[frank otter]

Question, when we kill yharon, will he come back because he's the dragon of rebirth

[split mortar]

Yeah in a decade as a baby

The fragments of their soul we get arent enough to stop their rebirthing and will just heal by the time they hatch iirc

[paper spindle]

What about anahita and leviathan

[split mortar]

Anahita is a elemental

[paper spindle]

I see

[split mortar]

Leviathan may be a construct made by anahita or is just a rare fish

[paper spindle]

I also see you're no longer a gun

Snail

[split mortar]

Silva is the only elemental that is both god and elemental

[paper spindle]

Wait whose that

I've heard that name before

[split mortar]

The elemental of nature, goddess of life, first dryad
The person who braelor is the champion of
They blessed jared to be even stronger

Yharim threw them into the abyss so it would take longer for them to heal

[paper spindle]

Primordial wyrm?

[split mortar]

Oh and they made braelors axe in a way thats similiar to thanatos somehow

[split mortar]

Yeah jared is a fan name the devs know of for primordial wyrm

[paper spindle]

Who's braelor

[split mortar]

Champion of silva, fought yharim with the help of statis a few months ago and would have killed yharim if dog hadnt intervened
Statis is their bf

[paper spindle]

Oh the guy who owns the belt and all

[frank otter]

Why didn't we eat their soul

[split mortar]

It instantly teleports to the dragon aerie when yharon dies

Silva,braelor and statis concept arts

[frank otter]

Ohh

[split mortar]

Its why yharon is specifically such a pain to ascend with

Because other dragons their soul just stays there

Yharons fucking teleports to basically a different dimension

[split mortar]

One that not even draedon can get to

[pliant ruin]

You also didnt mention we literally cant

We dont know the ritual

[split mortar]

That aswell

Well, the terrarians lore is up to you moment

[pliant ruin]

My terrarian is god

Biblical god

He made everything

[split mortar]

My terrarian is the cheese eater

They eat the cheese

[wheat walrus]

Thank you

Spain Azafure Agenda shall take over

[split mortar]

Nah
Azafure is london in the country of spain

[wheat walrus]

Shur up

[split mortar]

No

[wheat walrus]

100 yharims vs 1 xeroc

[split mortar]

Pluh

[pulsar ocean]

Is that factual info

[split mortar]

Its from a lore writer so id imagine so

[pliant ruin]

40 yharims vs one of every god

[pulsar ocean]

I win

[wheat walrus]

melon gun when the challenge is shutting down any and all discussion with a subjective take that just so happens to be from a developer

🔥

js call this channel "lore" the way there's no discussion

[dusk laurel]

💔

[split mortar]

[wheat walrus]

Melon Gun's main ability would be neutered in my other main community

😔

well actually not, nvm

it would be buffed I think, I'm done

melon gun, scourge of theory

[split mortar]

Lmao

[trim peak]

100 ExoMechs vs 1 Xeroc

[deft vessel]

300 mechs in total or 33 of each?

[wheat walrus]

25 technically since exo-twins gng

[split mortar]

And 400 total

[wheat walrus]

(and also 400)

[wheat walrus]

actually eviscerates you

[split mortar]

🐌

[wheat walrus]

I looked at 3 different servers right before typing that

I saw you typing and went for it anyways

aint no snail there

im gonna eviscerate you anyways

[split mortar]

🐌

[deft vessel]

I count them as one

[warped grotto]

Suppose we didn't give it the name "Miracle Matter," what would Draedon have called it?

[split mortar]

Probably stabilised exo residue or something
Just something that explains how it works kinda like how they named exotic resonance prism id imagine

[gentle ferry]

Draedon Matter

[split mortar]

[pulsar ocean]

Material XGFIDYEBRODGFB-0262946739628™©®

[light linden]

this reminds me

is miracle matter even matter at all?

because exotic resonance is a type of radiation right?

[split mortar]

Exotic resonance makes the energy it isnt the energy itself i believe?

I think its just some specific fucked up matter

Or mana

Its related to auric and god oowers so prob magic weirdness

[lament lion]

hey so i just beat boss rush for the first time, why does the wiki say the dude doing boss rush is XEROC and not YHARIM?! He literally says "Who bested even my old friend, the Phoenix..." (Only appears if Yharon has been defeated) and im pretty sure XEROC would not be friends with Yharon, seeing as Xeroc absorbed Yharon's leader's auric soul.

[cloud ibex]

he was

[lament lion]

h o w

[cloud ibex]

before xeroc absorbed zeratros' soul, he was a monk worshipping the dragons

[lament lion]

but nowhere does it say he was friends with Yharon

[cloud ibex]

says it right there

[lament lion]

no, it says he worshipped the dragons. not that he had a friendship with them.

[cloud ibex]

it doesn't seem unreasonable that he was friends with the dragons before all the bullshit with fovos and the ascension happened

[lament lion]

hmm....

yeah but what about all the other boss rush lines? those don't sound like something the gods would say.

and they seem more in line with the lore items than anything else

[unborn wind]

which ones

specifically

[cloud ibex]

like obviously yharon would want to throw xeroc in a woodchipper after the fact but before that he could've been pretty chill with xeroc

[lament lion]

and the lore items are written by Yharim

true, but there isn't any solid evidence.

and we have evidence that Yharim and Yharon were friends.

[unborn wind]

the person talking to you during boss rush quite literally is just factually xeroc

[lament lion]

Yharim states their sould were BINDED TOGETHER

how so?

[unborn wind]

i want to ask you if the person talking to you during boss rush was yharim why would he suddenly be talking to you with such unfamilarity

[lament lion]

he isn't

he doesn't talk with unfamilarity

[unborn wind]

the artifact used to start it has xeroc's sigil. their eye watches you in the sky the entire time. lines such as "Whose power may match the only mortal who has ever made me doubt my own..."

[lament lion]

although the rock does mention Xeroc.

[cloud ibex]

this is a pretty solid indicator that xeroc is talking

[unborn wind]

"I wish to test your strength, using fragments of my Primordial Light taking the form of your past foes."

[cloud ibex]

PL is xeroc's whole Thing

[lament lion]

dang

didn't think about that

[young socket]

yharon wouldnt be an old friend to yharim

[lament lion]

thought that Yharim with all his immense power would be able to do that.

[young socket]

theyre still friends

[lament lion]

Wrong, check the Yharon Lore item.

yharim states that he left his side and never looked back

[young socket]

what?

[cloud ibex]

no, they are still friends

[unborn wind]

yharim just says "he has bade me farewell"

[young socket]

no he just says he will be dead by the time yharon comes back

[cloud ibex]

or rather, would be if yharon didn't toss himself at you and die

[unborn wind]

also roar of the jungle dragon lyrics are canon and are about yharon desperately trying to warn yharim that he's going to die if he tries to fight the player

yharim and yharon being friends is like. the entire thing

thats like The Basis

of calamity

[cloud ibex]

yharim is just lamenting that he won't see yharon again because his ass is dead by the time yharon comes back

[lament lion]

although yharim states they may still meet again

[cloud ibex]

in whatever afterlife exists in cal maybe

[unborn wind]

no he doesn't he says yharon may return but he has bade him farewell

[lament lion]

..."Yharon may yet return, as he does..."

[cloud ibex]

but yharim will die before yharon comes back

[lament lion]

Yharon may be rebirthed

[unborn wind]

yharon reincarnates a decade after he gets killed

[cloud ibex]

either by your hands or by old age

[unborn wind]

yharim will be dead by the time yharon comes back

[lament lion]

i doubt the old age part lol

[unborn wind]

yharim is 130+ years old

[lament lion]

i know

[cloud ibex]

he's already 130 he doesn't have much time left

[lament lion]

but he's practically immortal, right?

[dusk laurel]

no

[unborn wind]

no

absoltuley not

[cloud ibex]

not really

[unborn wind]

yharon's attunement extended his lifespan by a lot but he's running out of time

yharim would be dead of old age by now already if their souls werent attuned

[cloud ibex]

his lifespan has been extended a lot but even yharon himself isn't truly immortal

he still dies, he just gets better afterwards

[lament lion]

ohhh

[cloud ibex]

but yharim doesn't get that luxury

[lament lion]

also quick question

is "Wrath of the Gods" canon?

[dusk laurel]

no

[lament lion]

k

[dusk laurel]

all addons are non-canon

since they aren't in the main mod, and also were made by different people usually

[lament lion]

i thought so, but i was screamed at by so many random people other places online XD

[cloud ibex]

Tends to happen

[lament lion]

y'know... when Yharim gets released as a boss, what are they going to do for the temple in pre-existing worlds??????

hopefully they can just make a sub-world or smth

[cloud ibex]

Nothing probably considering he has no connection to it

He will have his own subworld though

[lament lion]

nice

so will the sub-world library mod be used for that?

[cloud ibex]

[lament lion]

i just realized something

[cloud ibex]

I think the devs have entertained the idea of making their own but we’ll see when they get there

[lament lion]

dont waste astral ore, you have a finite supply

oh nice

[unborn wind]

kind of reminds me of something ive been wondering about this problem wont be answered for a while but if they are doing that thing where dog pulls oyu into the distortion for his second phase hows that gonna work with like the loading screen

[lament lion]

what loading screen?

[unborn wind]

unless dog pulling you into the distortion is another lie i have been told by the future content doc

[unborn wind]

the one that happens when you go into a subworld

[lament lion]

ohhh

oh btw i beat dog and all the other bosses without the gravity normallizer potion

[unborn wind]

i love the idea i just don't know how they'd pull it off without killing the momentum of the fight

[lament lion]

it sucked i had to use hooks so much

[manic coral]

actually if ther'es under a certtain amount in your world

killing aurues makes another meteor drop

[lament lion]

oh really?

cool!

wait

what if you purify it all first???

no more aures spawn XD

[tropic oak]

KILL

[manic coral]

buy astral solution from steampunker

trust me

we have amde sure of this stuff

[tropic oak]

hai cei

[manic coral]

hiyo :D

[lament lion]

that's actually brilliant lol

oh wait

YOU'RE A DEV?

I'm not very active here so i dont know what all the roles are

[tropic oak]

get jiggy with it

[tropic oak]

how art thou :D

[young socket]

me when i lie (u can get them from astral slimes, novae slag/astral remains or from crates, all post deus)

[manic coral]

mostly fine

chilling

[long bloom]

how goes permafrost dialogue hell

[pulsar ocean]

My name is permafrost

I made the delicious meat

It was difficult to put the bacon together

But unfortunately

Something went so wrong

And now I can't do anything, but sit in this stupid cryogen

[pliant ruin]

"the gods"

is the implication here that all gods speak the same and have the same personality or

[sinful adder]

No, you misunderstand. Yharon will come back to life, this is known, but yharim will die of old age before that happens

[sinful adder]

Yeah so basically people on YouTube are maximum stupid

The lore was rewritten several years ago, which seems like where a few of your ideas come from

[manic coral]

it's going

[sinful adder]

Looking forward to playing it!

[faint willow]

Gaiz do y'all think that the terrarian and yharim might be a tad bit similar?

That both killed gods

Slayed even more powerful monsters

And fiends

And both can be equally ruthless when it comes to a genocide

[sinful adder]

they can't, actually

you are physically incapable of matching even 1% of the destruction yharim caused

they ARE similar in other ways, but not that one

@faint willow Yharim killed a few thousand gods, the player can only kill two, and one of them was the most evil of any god.
Killing monsters is pretty common, it just means you're strong.
Yharim killed hundreds of millions of people (mostly indirectly), the player can at most kill a hundred or so which were already attacking them, or a few that weren't. Other things they can kill were basically just animals

[faint willow]

Hmm...so yharim would win any fight?

[light linden]

not necessarily

the player, xeroc, and likely noxus can all beat him

just him and the results of his actions have caused immense suffering

to the point where we physically can't cause as much as yharim did

[sinful adder]

Almost any, but not literally any, and he didn't kill that much solely by being strong. He's also a politician. The player will be just barely strong enough to beat him by the end of the game.

[long bloom]

which god was the most evil?

[light linden]

providence albeit that's conjecture

there were literal hundreds of gods and we only know any details about 8 of them

and of those 8 half of them are dead

[spring helm]

yharim almost lost to Braelor and Statis tag-teaming him

hell he might actually have if DoG didn't step in

[cosmic minnow]

Gay couple is built different

[analog robin]

The power of the homosexual underground

[bold dragon]

Who is braelor and statis

[analog robin]

Lore characters who are planned to be added eventually

Statis has some items named after him

[bold dragon]

Is there any lore about the elemental

[cloud ibex]

silva's champion and an onyx kinsman

[bold dragon]

Isn't silva death

[cloud ibex]

you gotta be more specific there's, like, five

[cloud ibex]

no

[bold dragon]

Yeah all 5 of them

[cloud ibex]

but yharim tried his hardest

[split mortar]

Elementals cant truly die

[robust osprey]

yes but no

[bold dragon]

Poor guy he just want tobehapoy with his bee

[robust osprey]

like she is planty mush

[bold dragon]

No but yes

[robust osprey]

technically alive

but she can't do shit

[split mortar]

She will come back

[bold dragon]

Without will? Just a mindless creature ?

[cloud ibex]

she's alive in probably the most lenient sense of the world

[split mortar]

Yharim literally goopified her

[bold dragon]

Next question define life and are we trully living

[bold dragon]

Yharim goes like oops

My bad

[cloud ibex]

she can't truly die unless you kill literally all life on the planet but she's pretty much out of comission for the time being

[split mortar]

Nah they wouldnt

[split mortar]

Yeah theyre slowly healing

[robust osprey]

yharim tried his best to kill her ok?

he is probably really proud....

[bold dragon]

B for broomstick said yharim mom

You failure of a son

[cloud ibex]

nah i'd wager a guess he's still annoyed that he can't fully kill her and has to sentence her to gay baby abyss jail instead

[cosmic minnow]

Why gay baby

[cloud ibex]

because it sounds funny

[bold dragon]

Well if he wants to kill her he gotta kill the bee

[cosmic minnow]

Valid

[split mortar]

I think the issue is less the bees and more so the fact that its all life thats gotta die

[split mortar]

Of which yharim cant do

[cosmic minnow]

I’m pretty sure that’s next to impossible

[robust osprey]

technically to kill her yharim would also need to kill himself which is not really productive as there are still some gods to kill

and yharon would be pretty depressed

[cloud ibex]

and also probably wouldn't want to

[split mortar]

Yeah cause yharon

[cosmic minnow]

unless calamity gets hit by a gamma ray burst

[robust osprey]

well he would also need to kill yharon maybe

[cloud ibex]

yharim is a genocidal maniac but killing literally all life to take out silva is probably too far, even for him

[split mortar]

Like
Draedon, noxus, moonlord and xeroc are the only things to maybe be able to do that

[cloud ibex]

even disregarding things like "literally all life" including him and yharon

[split mortar]

Does killing all life also mean the other elementals

Itd be funny if so

[cosmic minnow]

How did yharim think he would ever have a chance ?

[bold dragon]

I think elemental are more like mass of energy

[cosmic minnow]

To kill all gods?

[robust osprey]

determination, hopes and dreams

[bold dragon]

His father belt

[cloud ibex]

presumably he just didn't understand quite how big the gap in power is between xeroc and everyone else

[split mortar]

Probably found out about xerocs power quite late into the crusade

[cloud ibex]

cause like

he got ~95% of them

that's really not a bad rate of success

but it was never gonna be enough against xeroc

[bold dragon]

You kill 95% of god and still not a doctor haiya what a failure

[manic coral]

yeah to his "credit"

he did get MOST of them

[robust osprey]

thats a 9.5 rate out of 10

that's pretty good

[split mortar]

Yeah thats 19/20 gods dead

They did pretty damn good id say

[manic coral]

he got basically almsot as close as he could ever realistically get

[bold dragon]

Why did he tried to kill silva

[split mortar]

Goddess

[cloud ibex]

goddess

[robust osprey]

goddess

[bold dragon]

Down bad huh

[robust osprey]

did I just got double snailed

[cloud ibex]

that's all he needs

[cosmic minnow]

Cuz he’s racist towards gods ig

[robust osprey]

[cosmic minnow]

Whar-

[cloud ibex]

yeah pretty much

[bold dragon]

Haiya last time wanna be a racer now he's a racist

[split mortar]

Yharim wants to kill all gods

[manic coral]

yharim is almost a teensy bit normal racist too but

[cloud ibex]

almost.

[bold dragon]

Well his racism rate is abnormal

And he's racist toward god

[split mortar]

Almost like yharim is a not good person

Theres more then 1

[bold dragon]

He's a failure

[robust osprey]

yharim trying to explain how the god of rainbows and happines deserved death

[manic coral]

yeah it's almost like the person who commited global scale mass genocide isn't a very pleasent person

[cloud ibex]

[cosmic minnow]

How could that be!

[split mortar]

Wow never thought of that

[bold dragon]

Have seen worst

[manic coral]

you know funny thing people assume for yharim's inspirations like

famous dictators and stuff

[split mortar]

Such as

[manic coral]

and while genghis khan is one of them that's the onyl one

[cosmic minnow]

Judge Holden

Example

AM

[manic coral]

the other main and kinda bigger one is Walt Disney

[split mortar]

Fair

[bold dragon]

I don't want to talk about it

[cloud ibex]

i mean yeah obviously there's gonna be worse than him

in fact there's already one in calamity

[bold dragon]

There's one guy that nobody would dare to say his name

Like Voldemort

[split mortar]

Provigay

[cosmic minnow]

Lesbian ?

[pliant ruin]

hitler? we say his name alot here actually

[manic coral]

yeah no providence is 100% just basically objectively worse than yharim

[cosmic minnow]

😭

[split mortar]

Infact this place is the most flagged for that

[bold dragon]

Oh great i wouldn't be banned then for saying him and i have a lot of inspiration

[cloud ibex]

yeah this channel is already, like,

[robust osprey]

providence wants to eradicate all life

not only gods

every single living organism.