lore-discussion

[split mortar]

Crimson and corruption

[faint willow]

What where?

[limpid saddle]

🐌

[limpid saddle]

In the abyss

she's why there are plants down there

[split mortar]

Cthulhu doesnt mean the lovecraft thing in calamity

[faint willow]

Is there. Statue?

[limpid saddle]

& she's gonna keep being braindead for like

3000 years

[limpid saddle]

No

[faint willow]

So she is just the flora and fauna...

[limpid saddle]

There will potentially be a background change in the abyss to reflect the fact her corpse is there

[shrewd stream]

Just literally an oversized demon eye with a cool name , like if you grabbed a big ass rat and called it son of azaroth or something

[limpid saddle]

No, she has a corpse

We just cant see it

[faint willow]

[limpid saddle]

& reminder the Calamity devs didnt name it 'Eye Of Cthulu'...

[shrewd stream]

True

[limpid saddle]

you're gonna have to ask Red about that one

[shrewd stream]

Uuuh

[faint willow]

What is it then?

[limpid saddle]

????

what do you mean

[split mortar]

A demon eye but big

[faint willow]

What did they call eye of cthulu?

[shrewd stream]

And demon eyes comes from evil biomes

[faint willow]

Ph

Oh

Ohhhh

This clashes a lot with Terraria lore

[shrewd stream]

You dont say

[split mortar]

Vanilla lore isnt canon to calamity

[shrewd stream]

I though you have already realized this the moment we were talking about gods and dragons

[faint willow]

[faint willow]

I do say

[faint willow]

[shrewd stream]

Ask more, im bored

[faint willow]

We have yharon the dargon of rebirth right

Shouldn't he technically be a pheonix

[shrewd stream]

He might be both, i think, idk

[split mortar]

Yharon is a dragon that looks like a phoenix

[faint willow]

And he saved yharim from the lava right?

So...

[split mortar]

Yes

[shrewd stream]

Yes

[faint willow]

Based of all this

Ih it's safe to conclude

That...

I forgot what I was trying to conclude

[shrewd stream]

[split mortar]

Yharon helped cause the worldwide genocide that resulted in half the world dying

[faint willow]

Hollup

Xerox was a god of what again?

[split mortar]

Primordial light

Which is sunlight but in calamity sunlight has fucked up magic properties

And the sun may or may not be made of it

[faint willow]

Tell mea Abt it

[lunar thorn]

Does Providence have any Primordial Light?

[split mortar]

No

[shrewd stream]

Nah

Profaned goddes

[split mortar]

They the goddess of ash (most likely)

[faint willow]

What is providence basically?

[shrewd stream]

Ayesthat

[faint willow]

Like she has bodyguards

[shrewd stream]

A moth?

Uuh

Rock moth?

Flamey rock moth?

[faint willow]

Moth

[split mortar]

Goddess of ash (most likely)

[shrewd stream]

I wonder if the whole profaned thing is still something

[limpid saddle]

not really rocks, her body looks alot more like roots

it's kind of an esoteric design

[faint willow]

Like xeroc is a man...Silva is a ...idk the gender...moonlord is a octopus man

What is providence?

[gritty kraken]

moonlord iz no god

[limpid saddle]

girl

[lunar thorn]

Silva girl

[faint willow]

👍🏻

[shrewd stream]

Silva girl

[limpid saddle]

she was the shieldmaiden of her adventuring party before she ascended

[shrewd stream]

Providence woman

[faint willow]

Ahh I keep getting confused mb

[lunar thorn]

👌

[spring helm]

This is Silva

Not what she currently looks like though

[faint willow]

Like what creature is she?

[split mortar]

Elemental

[spring helm]

Dryad

[shrewd stream]

God

[spring helm]

Both

[limpid saddle]

she's an elemental like brimmy & others

[faint willow]

That's where the armour theme comes from ig

[spring helm]

And also a god

[faint willow]

???

[split mortar]

Moonlord is uh
Beyond godhood basically
Except xeroc

[spring helm]

Yeah she absorbed the auric soul of life

[limpid saddle]

Silva is a Goddess, Goddess Of Life

[split mortar]

Dryad,god and elemental are not mutually exclusive

[spring helm]

That’s why Yharim turned her into mush

[lunar thorn]

She's a elemental of life that happens to be the first Dryad, she also consumed the Auric Soul of the Dragon of Life to ascend to be the 'god of life'

[faint willow]

Hollup so these r the gods till now...
Silva
Slime god
Xerox
Providence
Is there more?

[shrewd stream]

Yeah

[spring helm]

Ravager

[limpid saddle]

Yeah, Ontonilou, that uh, fish guy

[split mortar]

Elemental of nature

[spring helm]

Or what Ravager used to be

[faint willow]

Ain't he like a failed god?

[limpid saddle]

no he's the revived corpse of a god

[split mortar]

A failed revive

[limpid saddle]

God of Sacrifices

[spring helm]

No Ravager is the resurrected corpse of the god of secrifices

[lunar thorn]

@split mortar true

[faint willow]

Ontoniolou???

[hoary berry]

the Defender was the shieldmaiden, not Providence

[spring helm]

Because necromancy is a flawed magic it didn’t work

[faint willow]

Solo levelling says otherwise

😅

[limpid saddle]

Goddess of Electricity, she lived in the Sunken Sea pre-grilling

[spring helm]

[faint willow]

[lunar thorn]

everyone's jumping the man with lore

[shrewd stream]

It brought it back but... eeeh ravager

[spring helm]

There’s also a god of blood I think?

[limpid saddle]

Oh yeah also Shakidou, God Of Geometric Space

[split mortar]

Well calamity aint solo levelling

[faint willow]

😭

[split mortar]

Chalice of the blood god exists and its ravager related

[limpid saddle]

Yharim murdered him while aura farming in the crusades

[gritty kraken]

honorable mention to tyrien or whatever his name was for having cannon arm as an anglerfish dude

[limpid saddle]

he was the second strongest God behind Xeroc

[spring helm]

Truer

[split mortar]

So theres a possibility ravager is 2 gods or something

[limpid saddle]

yeah him

thats the other sunken sea god

[lunar thorn]

@faint willow this will be on the test

[faint willow]

Wait for a god of liver and pancreas next 😭

[split mortar]

Tyrian

[spring helm]

Xeroc
Providence
Silva
Ravager
Shakidou
Otonilou
Tyrian
Slime God

[gritty kraken]

Current ravager got some of those

[shrewd stream]

If this was or is true and considering necromancy is flawed, stiching 2 gods like that must be a big brain move by those cultist bruh

[spring helm]

Auric soul of aura farming

[shrewd stream]

Nothing will go wrong

[split mortar]

Auric soul of shut the fuck up

[gritty kraken]

Auric soul of eternity

[spring helm]

That’s Yharon

[shrewd stream]

Auric soul of procastination

[spring helm]

There was probably an auric soul of sloth

[split mortar]

There was a dragon of gluttony after all

[shrewd stream]

Im sorry, but i cant not wonder about the existence of a dragon of lust

Ignoring that one, uuuh what about an auric soul related to envy

What kind of god would that be?

[gritty kraken]

Short

[shrewd stream]

Damn

[pliant ruin]

I am popping in to remind you Lust does not necessarily have to be associated with NSFW topics and can be much more versatile as a writing tool than that.

That's all i wanted to say.

[gritty kraken]

bloodlust is a word afterall

[shrewd stream]

Yeah i know it just means desire

We talking about deadly sins but what about heavenly virtues?

[split mortar]

No confirmation those exist

[shrewd stream]

All of them ended up in the hallow, got it

[faint willow]

If there is a test on calamity god I will instantly fail it bro

[lunar thorn]

don't worry, there is alore doc somewhere that changes overtime 🙂

[shrewd stream]

Yeah

[split mortar]

In pins

[lunar thorn]

I'm learning about the new lore, got back into the mod recently from before the new lore changes

[faint willow]

Oh where?

[shrewd stream]

In pins...

[lunar thorn]

banned25 knows probably

[split mortar]

I already said…

[lunar thorn]

where ever "in pins" is

[split mortar]

[shrewd stream]

I should go to sleep

Is 2 am here

[faint willow]

I rly def need to 😭😭read it

[faint willow]

Well gn man

Thx for all the correcti 👍🏻

[split mortar]

I havent

[faint willow]

😭

[split mortar]

Im just that autistic ig

[faint willow]

How did u know

[shrewd stream]

[split mortar]

Been here since before september

[faint willow]

Oh god no 😭🙂‍↔️😔😮

Brooooooooo 👍🏻

[split mortar]

Lmao

[faint willow]

Ig imma read the lore docx now

Thx gaizzzzz 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[split mortar]

Bai

[hoary berry]

i think at some point i had a habit of binge reading the lore doc

[faint willow]

Byeeeeeeeeeeee

[hoary berry]

although i've since stopped

[split mortar]

The opposite of me

I never have read it

[hoary berry]

[split mortar]

😨

[hoary berry]

bro is scared of himself

[dusk laurel]

👎

[split mortar]

Otonilou is the jellyfish woman
Tyrian is fish guy

[limpid saddle]

i meant to put an 'and' there

i know she is a jellyfish

[limpid saddle]

why do you guys comb through conversations you were in to make post-mortem corrections

[split mortar]

:3

[red adder]

is terraria's bayle just yharon

[dusk laurel]

old duke

[red adder]

yeah but yharon does more fire stuff

[dusk laurel]

yharon isnt bayle coded

if he was he wouldnt have been as close to zeratros

[sinful adder]

The pirate should be like igon but for old duke, which is also basically just back to the moby dick reference

[untold oracle]

melongun

[split mortar]

Fear

[cloud ibex]

Das what I’m sayin !!!!!!!

There’s the obvious interpretation but to my knowledge lust generally means like

An insatiable need

That, gluttony and greed kinda represent the same thing, just in different ways

Lust is never being satisfied, gluttony is being wasteful and greed is hoarding I think?

[mighty zenith]

something something lust for blood is a common idiom

[cloud ibex]

Or lust for power

[magic epoch]

bloodlust just being a word

[mighty zenith]

true

[real silo]

wanderlust too

[stuck shore]

So I wonder what exactly makes Yharon the strongest LIVING dragon but not the MOST powerful than Zeratros

Is it leadership or something

[cloud ibex]

mostly the fact that zeratros is Dead

so he's kinda eliminated from the strongest living auric dragon bracket

in fact pretty much every auric dragon other than yharon is disqualified

but to my knowledge Yharon also simply is very powerful

[split mortar]

The last auric dragon ever vs funny fish worm

[cloud ibex]

there's, like, six entities in the entire world that have surpassed him

[split mortar]

There was more
But shakidou got yharimed

[stuck shore]

Yharim, Noxus, Xeroc, Exo Mechs, Scal, and who else

[cloud ibex]

yea i meant alive currently

[split mortar]

Jared

Primordial wyrm

[stuck shore]

How Jared

[split mortar]

Jared is post game and so between scal and yharim

[cloud ibex]

eidolon wyrms are in general pretty damn strong, he's old as hell and he's blessed by silva(?)

[deft vessel]

I have a head canon that breath vapor comes out alway when Perma exhales

[long bloom]

what?

[deft vessel]

The steam that comes out when you exhale in cold

[long bloom]

i mean yeah probably

anyway

who's gorthus and why is he a meme

[young socket]

gorthus will be a new npc in sunken sea

[robust osprey]

gorthus is gorthus

I won't elaborate further.

[dusk laurel]

gorthus the blademaster

[young socket]

he will be part of the four dead seatizens found wandering around (prob in timeless shores)

[long bloom]

and who's shakiou

[cloud ibex]

the god of (geometric) space

[robust osprey]

a god

[cloud ibex]

second strongest after xeroc i think

[robust osprey]

most strong god besides xeroc

[cloud ibex]

rather, they were

[robust osprey]

got yharimed

[long bloom]

why are they not mentioned anywhere

[robust osprey]

beacuse they are fucking DEAD

GONE!

[cloud ibex]

(and also they haven't really been implemented yet

[long bloom]

was it a discord reveal thing

[cloud ibex]

more of a "hey we're considering making this character exist" thing i think

[long bloom]

okai

[cloud ibex]

so yes basically a discord reveal thing except less fancy

[long bloom]

last question

did anyone eat the dragon of frost's soul

or did that one just die

[cloud ibex]

if it just died it would've been revived by yharon and still exist

[long bloom]

so there was a god of frostwhatever

that probably got yharimed

correct?

[prime ivy]

Frost queen???

[split mortar]

Frost moon and pumpkin moon aint canon

And theres multiple frost queens anyways

[prime ivy]

Make them cannon

[split mortar]

No theyre references

And how can they explain the moon changing that drastically

[long bloom]

oh thank fuck

[cloud ibex]

they don't want to accidentally make jesus canon

[long bloom]

moonlord throwing a party

[split mortar]

Celebrating what

[long bloom]

crims

[split mortar]

Jesus aint canon

[young socket]

ive decided

this years christmas

is CANCELLED

[long bloom]

[split mortar]

Says the creature

[young socket]

i will shoot down santa n his stupid fucking sleigh from the heavens

[split mortar]

How

[young socket]

orbital solar flare strike

[split mortar]

You aint xeroc

[long bloom]

oh yeah

does provi still live in the sun

[split mortar]

No

[young socket]

who said id use the sun

[split mortar]

Solar flare

[young socket]

thats wat theyre all called dumbass

no matter what star theyre from

[split mortar]

Stars are food fym

[magic epoch]

solar floob

[sleek halo]

explodes you

[supple bluff]

When Yahrim was cast into lava for not wanting to consume Yharon's egg did he fall INTO the lava?

[young socket]

yes he says he was horribly scarred from it

[supple bluff]

Aka another question, how burned and scarred is he? Is it like Captain Curly bad or less

[young socket]

dont know

[cloud ibex]

i kinda doubt he'd be

well

alive

if it were curly levels

[supple bluff]

Do we have any canon for how he looks like without armor? I couldnt find anything in the evil red app

[young socket]

no

[supple bluff]

*curly levels with all 4 limbs lmao

He is just human correct?

[cloud ibex]

we don't know anything about his appearance under the armor (and we never will) but i like to imagine that, although some of the burn marks are still visible, they've mostly faded at this point

[supple bluff]

It's confirmed we never will? That's a shame if so

[cloud ibex]

with draedon around, restoring his skin and hair for the most part seems far from infeasible

[cloud ibex]

the devs are going with a "whatever you imagine he looks like will probably look cooler and make more sense than what we could, in theory, give as a 'real' answer" approach

[supple bluff]

I also considered the possibility of a genji situation that like he can't really be outside his armor, like it's what's basically keeping him alive because without he would die

[supple bluff]

Oh I see, I feel like it would still be cool to get at least like a range of how horrible it would be, or at least if not after the burns but his design before he had armor

[cloud ibex]

i tend to imagine that, although he can be outside of his armor, he's so dedicated to the crusade that he willingly got his body cybernetically modified in such a way he can never really function as a proper person outside of the context of the crusade

[sleek halo]

I could see it due to Yharon

[cloud ibex]

like a "got his eyes replaced with sockets that plug directly into his helmet so he's literally blind without it" typa thing

[supple bluff]

Also sort of off topic but when when we kill Yahron do we not get an Auric soul? Is it just because he turns to an egg every single time he dies? If not why can't we just eat the egg

[sleek halo]

I kind of imagine his own senses

far surpass

anything technology could provide

[supple bluff]

Exactly type shit

[sleek halo]

built so fucking different it can’t keep up

[cloud ibex]

his soul instant transmissions into an egg in the aerie whenever he dies

so yes anybody hoping to absorb his soul would have to retrieve the egg whenever he dies

but you don't know the ritual and there's nobody left alive that knows and have a reason to tell you so you can't

[sleek halo]

(Which is why it raises questions that some gods could find it lol)

(or at least people working for/with those gods)

(but more likely the the gods)

[supple bluff]

Is it a possibility we would ever be able to be able to consume an Auric soul canonically?

[cloud ibex]

no

well

[sleek halo]

It is a possibility if u wanted your character to do it, but it couldn’t happen in game

[cloud ibex]

actually yeah no you wouldn't

[sleek halo]

Like u could totally say that after calamity ends

ur character does it

[supple bluff]

I mean I am not caught up entirely with the development of the mod, but it seems like we are going to fight Yharim at some point, at that point we would be at the aerie and if so we would have the egg as well

[sleek halo]

i mean

tbf

Who gonna stop you at that point

Yharim?

[cloud ibex]

cause if you could, you would immediately auric springlock yharim which wouldn't exactly make for a particularly satisfying end to the story

[supple bluff]

Fair enough

[sleek halo]

But before that

[cloud ibex]

then again yeah you could do it after he dies

[sleek halo]

No chance

if you somehow captured Yharon’s soul b4 it teleported

Yharim would be on you in like 5 seconds

which would NOT end well for soemone with pre yharon gear

[supple bluff]

I mean that could be a kinda cool ending to be able to consume the Auric soul of Yahron at the end of the fight like a 1 health cutscene

[young socket]

i will always love the idea of yharim being auric springlocked if u took yharons soul

[sleek halo]

Like I totally would believe he could get to you

b4 you pulled ascension off

[supple bluff]

Or maybe like an option after you defeat Yharim you can consume the egg and kill him indefinitely, you become a god and there is no one left to stop you and you have now became the worst creature in history not only genociding multiple gods but a dragon aswell

[sleek halo]

i mean tbf

You killed like

[supple bluff]

Like basically the bad ending

[sleek halo]

Providence

aka literally one of

if not just

straight up the worst person

in story

[cloud ibex]

you kill two, arguably three gods

[sleek halo]

and Yharon is

uh

[cloud ibex]

iunno if that really counts as a genocide

[sleek halo]

Well he basically incited a century long war

that killed fucking millions

[supple bluff]

Yeah also the progression doesn't really make sense to me, Providence is supposed to be top 3 most powerful because in the Lord bit you get it says that the only people that compare are Yharim, the witch, and now you

[sleek halo]

No

[mighty zenith]

she's not nearly the most powerful though?

[sleek halo]

Yharim considers

your feat

[cloud ibex]

also yeah one of said gods are the frenzied flame reborn as the leader of a gaslight gatekeep girlboss squad

[sleek halo]

of killing her

to be as equal of valor

to that of Braeor and Scal

and himself

[supple bluff]

I mean you genocided countless being to get here INCLUDING the moon lord which even the fucking dragons couldn't kill?

[mighty zenith]

i dont think you know what "genocide" means

[sleek halo]

Basically you’ve made a name for yourself beyond any before you

excluding few

[supple bluff]

Possibly

[sleek halo]

Slaying ML is a big deal

but following it up

with possibly

[cloud ibex]

you're already a legend among the people by the time you kill EoC/KS

[sleek halo]

the most heinous god

[supple bluff]

Also are add-ons canon? This feels like a dumb question

[sleek halo]

and one of the most infamous individuals ever

[cloud ibex]

and you just keep going

[cloud ibex]

nah

[sleek halo]

is a really fucking big deal

like Providence

probably got everyone’s eyes on you

when you beat her

[supple bluff]

Also do we kill draedon? It's been a while since I beat the game and I just recently started my Infernum playthough

[eager bluff]

you're a world known phenomenon by the time you kill wof

[eager bluff]

no

[sleek halo]

ehhh

I would say no

I woild say Moonlord is where that actually happens

[cloud ibex]

killing draedon is incredibly unrealistic

[supple bluff]

I mean we beat his strongest creations no?

[sleek halo]

You’d have an easier time

[eager bluff]

yeah but thats not him and also hes a sneaky fuck

[sleek halo]

killing Yharim

Cause uh

there’s a lot of Draedon

like cool

you destroyed 1 base

[cloud ibex]

he is far too smart to not secure his safety with dozens of layers of contingencies in case someone does try to go for the kill

[sleek halo]

now do that to 1000 others

[magic epoch]

oh and also find them

do that too

[sleek halo]

yeah

[sleek halo]

(exaggeration but yeah no)

[magic epoch]

the draedon you can "kill" is just one of many bodies he can use

[sleek halo]

(killing Draedon shrimply is not gonna happen easily)

there is like

[magic epoch]

draedon has like one of the closest things to immortality besides like. idk the elementals

[sleek halo]

basically 1 person who might be capable of it

which is Xeroc

[supple bluff]

So is that outside the realm of possibility to get a draedon fight or at least some way to kill him? Maybe this even provides different endings whether you decide to find the Aerie or find Draedon. Like both would be near impossible to find

[sleek halo]

and it’d still

take him

fucking forever

[eager bluff]

exos is the draedon fight

[magic epoch]

draedon would never fight you he just doesn't have a reason to do it himself

idont even think the exos fight is a "fight" to him

u a lab rat

[cloud ibex]

for reference one of the writers for the mod has an oc whose gimmick is evolving and adapting to win every fight, no matter how strong her opponent is

[pulsar ocean]

is lebron real in calamity lore

you think there was an azafurian lebron

[cloud ibex]

and iirc the best she can do against draedon is annoy him until he fucks off from the planet

[supple bluff]

Well no Draedon wouldn't want to fight us but what if I want to fight him? Find him and kill him for his evils

[pulsar ocean]

what an original concept

[cloud ibex]

good fuckin luck, you're gonna need it

[supple bluff]

I mean wouldn't it be easier than finding the Aerie?

Because in his logs he said he never left the planet

[pulsar ocean]

draedon could just put one of his spare bodies somewhere in the devil's butthole where no one could find it and be invincible

[cloud ibex]

even if he literally has never been in orbit before, you would have to scour the entire planet, finding every single one of the backup supercomputers he's got and destroying them

[supple bluff]

Well I mean he has to have some sort of main host right? No way there is just thousands of bodies that all have the exact same consciousness, like Revenant in Apex legends, has hundreds of thousands of bodies but there is still only one source code

[eager bluff]

all while making sure he cant make more

[cloud ibex]

yeah

[supple bluff]

Damn so that is just borderline impossible

[cloud ibex]

even if he has a "main" supercomputer, he is far too smart to not consider the possibility of like

someone nuking it

draedon is theoretically mortal, but practically unkillable

[pulsar ocean]

you could spend like a couple months mining the whole planet with your pickaxe

[supple bluff]

I mean what purpose would he serve if we still exist? We would put an end to any creation he could muster so he would basically just be living for the fun of it

[eager bluff]

i mean like

he can still learn

[supple bluff]

LMAO love the idea of an entire planet being mined away a block at a time by an asshole who has one goal of killing this smart robot

[young socket]

he can still work

[eager bluff]

his goal is to learn and create and hes going to live a hell of a lot longer than you are because at some point you're gonna pick a fight with the wrong person and die

[young socket]

its not like making killer robots is all he does

[supple bluff]

But I mean we picked a fight with the strongest things to exist and we didn't lose, if he makes more machines we would just destroy them too

[eager bluff]

assuming he yknow

doesnt improve

ever

[young socket]

yknow

he can just

ignore you

[mighty zenith]

ok but what if you did lose

[supple bluff]

I mean I'm not sure how our player acts lore wise but considering a death is a death, we first try every single boss with zero prior knowledge, to would have to come into play

[young socket]

like thats not difficult

[cloud ibex]

like i said the closest you can realistically come to "killing" him is annoying him until he leaves the planet for good

[mighty zenith]

something something multiverse theory where every death is an existing universe

[supple bluff]

Basically what I'm thinking lmao

But if we can't find him or at least all of him how are we supposed to find the Aerie? Unless Yharim is supposed to invite us in to challenge him

That feels pointless though, why would Yharim want to invite us in knowing we are now the 2 strongest beings there are?

[mighty zenith]

because he wants to fight us

he sees us as a way to continue the crusade

which may or may not be true depending on who your terrarian is

[supple bluff]

So what are we to him?

[mighty zenith]

a prodigy and a worthy opponent

[supple bluff]

Also would be not be an old ass man by now? I mean he never consumed an Auric soul right? I feel like it would be picking a fight with a decorated war hero in a retirement home

[long bloom]

yeah he's on his deathbed

but yharon preserved his vitality

so he's physically stronger than ever

he's still gonna die of old age in the next decade if nobody kills him first tho

[supple bluff]

Makes enough sense

But didn't they break up before Draedon developed the Exo Prism? If not we know for a fact we were the first to stabilize Miracle Matter, our gear would be significantly stronger than his

[long bloom]

miracle matter isn't stronger than true auric tesla i don't think

someone fact check me

[supple bluff]

I mean also we have the shadow spec stuff which is made with Auric

[split mortar]

Theres no difference between our auric and yharims other then rejection

[long bloom]

shadowspec isn't canon

[split mortar]

Shadowspec aint canon its dev gear

[supple bluff]

Oh damn I had no clue

[long bloom]

all dev and donor items are non canon

[mighty zenith]

Yharim's armor has exotechnology upgrades because yharim went back to draedon like a lil bitch to ask for upgrades

[split mortar]

And blatant references

[supple bluff]

This may just be a dev question but like why not, the materials are feasible

[long bloom]

also applies to vanilla crossover content

[supple bluff]

Oh shit had no clue thanks

[young socket]

dedicated items r non canon

[mighty zenith]

a lot of them are references or wouldn't really make sense canonically so they're just not canon

[long bloom]

the terrarian could make shadowspec

but we don't

[mighty zenith]

its easier that way

[split mortar]

The terrarians lore is up to you or something

[supple bluff]

Wait but the cynosure lore is crafted with shadow spec, does that mean it isn't canon? (Half joking I don't even know how you obtain this it may be dropped by someone idk)

[mighty zenith]

since you'd have to explain shit like metal gear rising or touhou being canon to calamity

[mighty zenith]

i dont think its crafted with shadowspec

[split mortar]

It drops by scal or exos (whoever killed last)

[long bloom]

cynosure is dropped by whatever final boss you kill last

[frozen zodiac]

what the hell is a twilight sparkle

[long bloom]

and crafting lore items is just gameplay

[mighty zenith]

lore items (the items themselves) will be replaced eventually anyway

[long bloom]

will be??

[supple bluff]

Oh?

[dusk laurel]

praying that the yhrocks happen

[long bloom]

like for certain????

[mighty zenith]

yeah im pretty sure

[split mortar]

Didnt know it was certain

[long bloom]

LFGGGG

[mighty zenith]

just the method isnt decided on yet

[long bloom]

manifesting yharocks

[frank otter]

Why does calamitis hate yharim even though he was a father figure to her and helped her?

[mighty zenith]

he was not

[young socket]

lore items have always been planned to be replaced with something else, the problem has always been with what

[mighty zenith]

you're mistaking yharim with permafrost

[manic coral]

becuase he wasn't

[split mortar]

Perma was the father figure

[young socket]

he was NOT a father figure

[manic coral]

also he's a genocidal maniac

[young socket]

jesus christ

[mighty zenith]

yharim used her as a living weapon, permafrost raised her

[young socket]

hii cei

[split mortar]

Yharim made her a child soldier

[manic coral]

even if yharim was my dad i'd still fucking hate him

[long bloom]

real

[supple bluff]

Wait so what if we fight with calamitas against Yahrim

[frank otter]

That's the other guy that isnt the robot right?

[supple bluff]

That would be dope as shit

[mighty zenith]

thats like having garmadon as your dad or smth

wait...

[split mortar]

Guy from cryogen

[long bloom]

ninjago mentioned???

[dusk laurel]

[young socket]

now hold on a sec...

[frank otter]

I only have 5 hours in terreria in general, so I havnt met that boss yet

[dusk laurel]

😭

[split mortar]

👍

[manic coral]

just becuase somebody is related to you doesn't mean they suddenly don't suck anymore

[supple bluff]

💀

[frank otter]

But I think I know

[mighty zenith]

she doesn't wanna see him again

since, y'know

trauma and all

[supple bluff]

Many examples of this being true..

[long bloom]

!wiki archmage

[pliant island]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Archmage

[supple bluff]

Okay but like wouldn't seeing his dead body be pretty damn cool

[manic coral]

also hello :D

[frank otter]

So that's permafrost

[mighty zenith]

yeah but seeing him alive and trying to kill her wouldnt be

[split mortar]

It would lile
Not be good for her mental health

[supple bluff]

Fair enough

[frank otter]

Wait, so if she also wants to kill yharim, why do we fight her

[manic coral]

Calamitas also isn't as strong as him

[long bloom]

just get her after the fight so she can teabag him

[mighty zenith]

she thinks we're gonna become like him

[supple bluff]

Yeah but like close second

[frank otter]

Understandable, we did murder everything

[split mortar]

Does she know that tho

[supple bluff]

😭

[frank otter]

Did she ever take on yharim? Like she did with us

[manic coral]

in theory she COULD get strong enough to kill him, yes, but

[long bloom]

no

[split mortar]

No

[long bloom]

she just dipped

[frank otter]

Yharim did it cuz of gods, we make murder farms to get funny achievements and items 😭

[manic coral]

no, YOU do that

[supple bluff]

Did she enchant his gear too? That might be our upper hand

[manic coral]

[split mortar]

The terrarians lore is up to you
You decide that

[long bloom]

enchantments suck

[frank otter]

My friend does I'm not smart enough to make a farm

[split mortar]

No but draedon did exotech the armour

[frank otter]

Draedon is the robot that is corrupted by power and that's why yharim booted him?

[long bloom]

no

[frank otter]

O

[split mortar]

Draedon has no morality

[long bloom]

draedon has no morality

lmao

[split mortar]

Snail

[supple bluff]

I mean like miracle matter has to be like super fucking strong tho compared to Auric because it's Made with it

[manic coral]

yeha due to the slight case of being a robot

[split mortar]

Miracle matter isnt something you can wear

I think

[long bloom]

he just advances science through any means necessary

even if it includes torturing bees

[frank otter]

Is there a video or source where I can read the lore, cuz ngl Ion trust my friends word

[split mortar]

I think the slight touch of atomising almost anything it touches into super death goo is a bit of a red flag

[split mortar]

Theres a lore doc in pins

[long bloom]

pins

[supple bluff]

I mean but weapons alone would vastly make a difference, knife to a gun fight type shit

[frank otter]

Poor bees, yharim loved bees and animals right?

[frank otter]

Thabks

[long bloom]

yeah

[manic coral]

thjere's a lore doc in pins but like

[frank otter]

Thanks

[long bloom]

#1 bee fan

[supple bluff]

Check pins, there is a 102 page lore document

[manic coral]

if you can't course it from cal itself

it's probably not true

99 out of 100 times

[long bloom]

all lore in the doc is in game

[split mortar]

I think you overestimate how strong someone is post exos compared to post scal

Not scal

Yharon

Oop

[long bloom]

also scal

[supple bluff]

I might be but it seems to just be the strongest material known right now, and we gaurentee Yahrim doesent have it

[split mortar]

Yharim has better armour we have better weapons

[supple bluff]

I mean I guess it's not confirmed that little half baked gooner has had a LOT of time to himself

[manic coral]

yeah i'd say there's only like a 2x difference in power between like, DoG and Yharim

[mighty zenith]

yharim also has a century's worth of fighting experience

that may help him out too

[long bloom]

yeah

he did kill virtually every god

[split mortar]

And also fuck you physical strength

[manic coral]

yeha even if you have stuff that's a little bit stronger yharim is also just

an ultra-experienced fighter

[long bloom]

he a beast fr

[manic coral]

the MOST experienced fight who's ever lived, debatably

[mighty zenith]

the humble eyeball in the sky

[split mortar]

Except for some gods

Prob

[long bloom]

whatever the case, he's the greatest warrior alive currently

[split mortar]

Yeah

[supple bluff]

Also this may also be a dumb question but idk where to find dev logs or like a roadmap but are we going to get any more fights? Like Xeroc for example

[manic coral]

nowhere

[supple bluff]

*aside from Yahrim

Good to know 💀

[long bloom]

noxus and xeroc will probably be added but not 100% confirmed

[split mortar]

Yharim,noxus and xeroc are the only possible bosses

And yharims only guaranteed one the other two aint

[young socket]

theres no roadmap because itd look like this
sso, ???, ???, ???, ???, ???

[manic coral]

noxus and xeroc are tehcncially "maybe" but also i'll be upset if they aren't even if i'll ultimately understand

[supple bluff]

Who is Noxus, I haven't heard of that one before aside from the WotG addon

[long bloom]

the devs could very much just stop after yharim

[mighty zenith]

that scary thing in the distortion

DoG's boss

[long bloom]

dog's boss

[mighty zenith]

(not surprising you haven't heard of them, they're not namedropped and only mentioned in like 3 sentences total)

[split mortar]

Thats cause wotg had noxus from old scrapped lore versions of the guy

[supple bluff]

I'd be upset purely because I love lore relevant bosses LMAO

[long bloom]

might actually be the one eating the god essence

[frank otter]

Is there any source I could look at that explains everyrhing in a timeline pov? In chronological order etc

[supple bluff]

Gotcha

[manic coral]

more than that technically

[long bloom]

no

[manic coral]

not yet

[supple bluff]

Can we post links in here?

[long bloom]

i could throw together a timeline quick tho

[frank otter]

Got it

[split mortar]

They wont embed

[manic coral]

mostly becuase a lot of things don't have any exact dates yet

[mighty zenith]

yeah links work but won't show embeds

[supple bluff]

https://youtu.be/qKHmHM-k4dw?si=iYsntW2aY_B20bxS

It's outdated now with some info but this is what I watched a while ago to kinda get caught up

A lot of it is still relevant but it is kinda sloppily done so I'd also recommend filling those gaps by reading the lore document

[frank otter]

Ohh thanms

Finally I can understand lore

[supple bluff]

Just a small example but this is when he still had the title of "the jungle tyrant"

[frank otter]

Cuz I watched terreria lore but now I'm curious kf calamity lore

[mighty zenith]

i dont get how people still do that

there is not a single mention of the words "jungle tyrant" in the mod anymore

[supple bluff]

Yeah no Calamity lore is much better, Terraria lore itself is ass

[young socket]

he hasnt had that as a title for over 2 years

[frank otter]

I like it

[manic coral]

incorrect

he hasn't had that since the rewrite

uh

over two years ago

[young socket]

yea

[mighty zenith]

yeah the video just has outdated info

[young socket]

feb of 23

[supple bluff]

I meant like that's when the video was made

[mighty zenith]

me when i dont do any research

[manic coral]

video was 8 months agi

[mighty zenith]

no it was made like 5 months ago

[young socket]

yea it was made 8 months ago

[mighty zenith]

or 8

[supple bluff]

That's why you gotta read the lore document too

[mighty zenith]

idk i cant count

[young socket]

its just

_ _

bad

[supple bluff]

Oh well he didn't do very well then

It's more for chronological timeline roughly again acknowledging it's not a great video just rough outline

[manic coral]

god i cant wait for sunken se aoverhaul to come out

[young socket]

lorious

[mighty zenith]

cant wait for this channel to actually have shit to talk about

[shrewd stream]

AMazin

[supple bluff]

Where can we see what that will consist of? If any just little teasers

[manic coral]

there will be no possible excuse for any confusion anymore on this stuff aside from "you haven't actually played the game in over two years"

[mighty zenith]

#spoilers and #changelogs

[manic coral]

[supple bluff]

Appreciate it

[shrewd stream]

[mighty zenith]

the "gods are evil" crowd in denial

[young socket]

NO

U DONT GET IT

YHARIMS A GOOD GUY

[mighty zenith]

piss man says he's a good guy so he has to be good

🥺

[young socket]

HE WAS JUST A FALLEN HERO

ITS DOGS FAULT

[dusk laurel]

piss man

[young socket]

AND DRAEDONS FAULT

AND CALAMITAS' FAULT

AND THE CULTS FAULT

[supple bluff]

Wait what did calamitas have to do with it I thought she is pretty much the only "good" guy

[manic coral]

"Am I the one who was wrong...? No, it's everybody else's fault!"

[young socket]

she was a child soldier

[supple bluff]

Good in the sense of ignoring the draining of the dea

[mighty zenith]

tbh calamitas is the one he doesnt actually blame really

[shrewd stream]

Child soldier that incinerated a whole sea, basically she nuked it

[supple bluff]

Yeah but what influence did she have on Yharim I mean

[mighty zenith]

probably made him realize he stepped too far in making her kill her own dad

like that is probably the moment he realized he's losing all his allies

[supple bluff]

Cause it sounds like she was nothing but a weapon, he didn't give two shits about her other than that

[frank otter]

Did yharon (I think that's the Phoenix dragon) stay by yharims side?

[mighty zenith]

yes

[young socket]

yes

[shrewd stream]

Yes

[frank otter]

Did he know what yharims doing was wrong

[young socket]

👍

[mighty zenith]

yea basically

[young socket]

hes the one that encourages him to keep going

[frank otter]

Oh

[mighty zenith]

yharon is smarter than yharim arguably

he was fully aware of all the shit that was happening

and did not doubt it for a second, until yharim decided to let us fight him

[frank otter]

Is yharims the strongest out of everyone? Even clamsktas? Excluding the terrerian

[long bloom]

yeah

[manic coral]

define "everyone"

[mighty zenith]

he's like, top 3

[supple bluff]

Also this more of a question for a dev but idk where to put it, will we ever get more merch? Mainly wondering about statues

[manic coral]

oh for sure

[frank otter]

Any of the characters or creatures or robots or idk

[mighty zenith]

then yeah he's like top 3/4

[frank otter]

Things you see in game

[mighty zenith]

in terms of the ones still alive

[supple bluff]

I REALLY want a Yharim statue for my room or even a little Draedons forge

[long bloom]

he's not stronger than noxus or xeroc

[frank otter]

Comparative to?

[mighty zenith]

1. xeroc
2. noxus
3. yharim/jared

[frank otter]

Who are theh

[manic coral]

yharim is the third strongest living entitiy

[mighty zenith]

idk if jared is actually stronger

[tranquil seal]

Is prime moon lord still considered like the most powerful besides xeroc

[frank otter]

Wait xeroc is the monk

Right?

[supple bluff]

👍

[long bloom]

xeroc is the first god, noxus is dog's boss

[frank otter]

Do we fight them?

Or just lore drops

[long bloom]

maybe

[mighty zenith]

not yet

[supple bluff]

We will (heavy maybe)

[frank otter]

Hopefully music will be good, I only got into terreria because of the music

[supple bluff]

Who is Jared?

[frank otter]

From calamity

[mighty zenith]

nickname for primordial wyrm

[supple bluff]

Calamity music is kinda notorious for having bangers

[long bloom]

also
did yharim meet permafrost or draedon first

[mighty zenith]

permafrost i think

[supple bluff]

Perma

[manic coral]

draedon

[mighty zenith]

oop

[supple bluff]

Wait what

[long bloom]

lol

[supple bluff]

I thought Draedon met up with him mid crusade

[mighty zenith]

cei is wrong

only i can be correct

[supple bluff]

LMAO

[manic coral]

perma was 2nd though

[young socket]

wild considering yharim says "original conquests"

[frank otter]

So wait, if the mods ingoing eventually we fight yharim?

[long bloom]

yeah

[young socket]

yes

[supple bluff]

Wait, maybe this is mentioned, but this has to mean the crusade started, a few years happened, met Draedon, then Perma, then calamitas right?

[frank otter]

Yippe

He has cool armojr

I want it

[split mortar]

Jared is weaker, its zeratros that is comparable to yharim iirc

[manic coral]

you're forgetting somebody

[supple bluff]

ME ASF

[long bloom]

yharim update is at absolute minimum 4 years away

[supple bluff]

Oh?

[frank otter]

Damn

[robust osprey]

me when I worm

[supple bluff]

💀 💀

[manic coral]

the purple elephant in the room

[split mortar]

Dog

[manic coral]

and by elephant i mean serpent

[supple bluff]

Oh right

[mighty zenith]

big dawg

[supple bluff]

LMAO

[young socket]

even cei is forgetting about the dragon cult 💔 💔 🫗 🫗 🫗

[split mortar]

The fat fuck bitch of a pathetic worm

[split mortar]

Sad emoji

[manic coral]

that's multiple people not one person

[supple bluff]

Wait so crusade start, drae, perma, witch, then dog?

[robust osprey]

😔

[frank otter]

Okay so xeroc monk is the strongest, then noxus which is dog leader, the upper authority of the distortion? And then it's yharim

[split mortar]

Dog before scal iirc

[manic coral]

DoG was between perma and cal

[supple bluff]

Gotcha

[robust osprey]

lunatic counts...I guess

[split mortar]

For alive beings yes

[long bloom]

basically yeah

[frank otter]

What abt dead

[young socket]

@pliant ruin hey i had a better idea for the potential man image, use lunatic cultist instead of statis

WAIT

cei

[manic coral]

incorrect

[split mortar]

Full power moonlord is above noxus but below xeroc

[manic coral]

give it time

[young socket]

have u seen the potential man image

[mighty zenith]

@manic coral hi cei

[manic coral]

or actually maybe you'll be proven more right with time who knows

(i do)

(i know)

[supple bluff]

Maybe this is straight up wrong but I thought the polterghast was the souls of what was being kept in the dungeon + the cultists

[mighty zenith]

so real

[frank otter]

He was the one who I juried the dragons right?

[split mortar]

It is most of the cultists iirc some survived

[supple bluff]

Also if the cultists do dragon stuff now, why does killing them spawn ML

[split mortar]

Yes

[frank otter]

Ohhok

[mighty zenith]

well we run into at least 5 cultists

[manic coral]

ok yeah no this is LC way more

[young socket]

LMAO

[frank otter]

What role does he play apart from the original beating

Because the pillars and that still occur right?

[mighty zenith]

being a terrifying threat to the planet mostly

[split mortar]

Pillars help them fight the dragons iirc

And solar has primordial light

[supple bluff]

Ah

[young socket]

theyre doing a ritual to uphold the seal on ml, you interfere with that which lets him able to go loose

[long bloom]

yes

[frank otter]

What would happen if he fully regened

Would we as terrerian be strong enough to stop him

[long bloom]

fuck no

[young socket]

no

[robust osprey]

no lmao

[frank otter]

Damn

[long bloom]

we'd be cooked

[robust osprey]

you can't even cut their skin

[long bloom]

reminder they killed like half of all the dragons

[supple bluff]

Wait I'm curious about power scaling, why would we not be able to? At that point how do we even fight Xeroc

[robust osprey]

the combined power of the auric dragons wasn't enough to stop it

[split mortar]

Fuck no the guy would require yharim and basically every top tier to join in to have a chance at stopping fovos

[robust osprey]

our ass is NOT going to be better than xeroc

[supple bluff]

I mean we gonna have to be unless the canon ending is we just fucking die

[robust osprey]

if we fight xeroc they will not use their full power

[supple bluff]

Wait that would be kinda cool

[split mortar]

Xeroc is sparring, meaning they are trying to not instantly spawn the actual sun on us

[supple bluff]

LMAOO

[frank otter]

What is xerocs abilities

[supple bluff]

So we just fight them for fun and then he's like okay I'm tired you can leave now

[long bloom]

sun

[robust osprey]

sunlight/sun related

[frank otter]

Great

[split mortar]

The sun

[long bloom]

xeroc controls primordial light which is the fucking sun

[frank otter]

So he's just that one guy with the stand ability of the sun

[robust osprey]

so far we have seen them literally recreate all the bosses with light

(boss rush)

[split mortar]

And hyper buff almost all

[frank otter]

And he's still alive?

[split mortar]

That alone is many many times yharims power

[supple bluff]

Oh shit I didn't know that's what it was 💀

[long bloom]

yeah

[split mortar]

They cant be killed cause the sun as a power is kinda strong

[frank otter]

And yharim rn is trynna kill xeroc

[long bloom]

yharim gave up

[split mortar]

They cant no matter what

[robust osprey]

sun is busted in calamity

[split mortar]

Itd take
Dozens of yharims
To have a chance

[frank otter]

So then what's the cause of his actions

[split mortar]

Like irl

[long bloom]

300 yharims vs the sun

[frank otter]

He did allat for what

[long bloom]

he killed like 90% of the gods

[supple bluff]

I'm just lost now how the fuck is the fight gonna go then? If Xeroc is infinitly more powerful and we can't kill him what can we do?

[long bloom]

just missed a few

[robust osprey]

yharim vs the UNMATCHED POWER OF THE SUN

[frank otter]

So then, who would win

Prime ml or xeroc

[split mortar]

Unmatched power of the sun is literal in calamity

[split mortar]

Xeroc bodies ml iirc

[robust osprey]

we dont kill them

[split mortar]

Like ml lasts a while due to being a tanky mf

[frank otter]

Great so xeroc is just no 1

[robust osprey]

they will NOT use their full power

[frank otter]

And us as a terreria will somehow beat them

[robust osprey]

I imagine it would be a test like in BR

[frank otter]

I wonder how they're gonna write that up without it being corny

[robust osprey]

but with xeroc themselves instead of a bunch of past bosses

[long bloom]

they have several years to figure it out

[young socket]

we wont

[supple bluff]

So it's a fight truly we do for scores sake

[frank otter]

What if we ressurected prime ml and cloned it

[supple bluff]

ML doesn't beat Xeroc so no reason

[frank otter]

But what abt multiple

[long bloom]

we'd get owned

[frank otter]

Or is dudes scaling infinitely larger

[long bloom]

i mean

it's the sun

you can't punch the sun

[frank otter]

The Sun can die on its own

Eventually

[robust osprey]

xeroc clones prime moonlord

[frank otter]

What if we wait till he's old as and then best him up

[long bloom]

in cal lore stars are made of mana

[frank otter]

O

Yeah okay we cooked

[robust osprey]

there are dead stars still iirc

deus eats them

[eager bluff]

thats how the astral exists

[jovial stream]

The calamity sun is not a star

[frank otter]

Does xeroc have control over the infinite timelines and parallel universes? Or is that only in original terreria

[split mortar]

Yharim can oneshot a city
Xeroc can oneshot mount everest or some other fucking huge mountains iirc

[long bloom]

they're already almost a thousand years old

[split mortar]

Only original

I think

Not in cal

[long bloom]

What

[split mortar]

Stars are different to the sun

[long bloom]

that's dumb

[frank otter]

How did xeroc kill the top dragon anyways

[mighty zenith]

we dunno

[robust osprey]

we dunno

[long bloom]

ate his soul

[mighty zenith]

it most likely wasnt a fight

[split mortar]

Tell me a fallen star is the sun
Cause a fallen star is literally a star iirc

[long bloom]

somehow

[mighty zenith]

since zeratros was dying

[supple bluff]

It was already on its way out iirc it was beat to shit by ML

[long bloom]

yeah

[split mortar]

The astral star is huge compared to normal stars

[robust osprey]

zeratros could have said "yo eat my soul I give you permission"

or xeroc killed it when it was weakened due to moonlord

[frank otter]

So the actual dragon itself couldn't kill prime ml, with the help, but his soul infused with a monk has the power to create them

[long bloom]

but nobody knows

[supple bluff]

And he just said "wait I'll heal you" and then instead played solitaire on his shell phone until he died

[long bloom]

not even in lore

[frank otter]

Does that mean the soul has more power than the dragon itself

[supple bluff]

God's have more power than dragons

[robust osprey]

I think it depends

[supple bluff]

depending on general strength

[frank otter]

I'm just wondering where the power came from yk

[split mortar]

Xeroc has trained a lot

They arent as strong as when they ascended
They are far stronger since then

Bruh my internet

[long bloom]

a lot can happen in 8 centuries

[frank otter]

The dragon at full capacity needed an army of other strong dragons to only damage moon lord

[long bloom]

correct

[supple bluff]

Ye

[frank otter]

But a monk who ate the dragon can one tap it

So there's a surge in power

[supple bluff]

Zeratros wasn't nearly full power

[long bloom]

xeroc didn't defeat fovos, did they?

[frank otter]

I feel like even st full power xeroc is strong from what I'm observing