lore-discussion

[near smelt]

:(

[robust osprey]

now you do

and you probably will be able to have both as town npcs

in the distant future

[split mortar]

Do they know supreme witch calamitas is aro ace

[snow mountain]

ghhhggg

[limpid saddle]

billions of lesbians will die of violent compulsions upon this revelation

[snow mountain]

i can't comment on this

[limpid saddle]

such secrets must be hidden for the sake of all yurikind

[latent flower]

gulp

😨

[visual kiln]

hello everyone

[split mortar]

I killed billions

[visual kiln]

based

[mighty zenith]

p

[pliant ruin]

dont be homophobic

pic unrelated

actually no that pic IS related thats my reaction to you being homophobic

[mighty zenith]

why would you be scared of gay people they're like puffballs

[cloud ibex]

Probably cause they barely exist in-game, if at all

And ideally you wouldn’t have to scrounge around in discord channels like a little gremlin to pick up on details like that you’d just play the game

[stoic gulch]

I’m scared of myself,,,

Cuz I’m EVIL

[high verge]

I'm just Russian and I'm not homophobic

[pliant ruin]

i'm not sure why you being russian is relevant unless you mean you just worded things poorly because english isn't your first language which i mean yeah happens

[pulsar ocean]

russian government tells you that gay = bad and openly talking about you being gay on social media is against the law in russia
i know cuz im russian and that sucks

[pliant ruin]

yeah i knew the russian government was wack abt that stuff

[reef wigeon]

Wh-what?

[pulsar ocean]

is "disposing of silva's remains" lore accurate im pretty sure she cant die

[split mortar]

I think thats referencing how they were thrown in the abyss by yharim after being beat to a pulp

[robust osprey]

I mean, those are the remaims of her physical body

it's like a skeleton, except that skeleton can regenerate all the organs over time

[clear girder]

Why is Cryogen hostile? Is it just cals spells or is the thing sentient?

[thick slate]

UHHH

im going to yap

like

the ice is protecting perma

and doesnt want anyone to find perma

so its ANGRY and anybody who tries

DIES

[clear girder]

so was the ice sentient?

[thick slate]

this is probably true

no

[clear girder]

just magic?

[thick slate]

yea

i assume

its like a construct

not sentient

but able to 'think'

[robust osprey]

it's a prison

that can move and have magical attacks

[clear girder]

but if something is able to think doesn't that make it sentient?

[robust osprey]

cryo is basically a cop

[robust osprey]

pretty sure it doesn't think

[clear girder]

i wonder why old duke is so strong while it's just an old version of duke fishron

[high verge]

are you homophobic?

[clear girder]

and doesn't it work like the older you get the more weaker you get

[stoic gulch]

Cuz it’s like

A dragon

Idk

[robust osprey]

OD is really near biologically to dragons

and fishron, since it's younger, isn't

tho it still has some dagon things

[gritty kraken]

It’s the first fishron I think

[clear girder]

it's one of the oldest beings in the world atleast

[robust osprey]

yup

[thick slate]

are you?

cause we can just cut to the chase

[split mortar]

Isnt cheese like
Homosexual or something

But only the romance

[thick slate]

cheese is lesbian iirc

i dont want to assume

but im p sure

[pliant ruin]

Im ace lesbian

[thick slate]

slay

[pliant ruin]

Miau

[robust osprey]

cheese is personified yuri

[frigid sage]

Worlgen is canon confirmed? /j

[split mortar]

Im pretty sure the world gen being different each world is canon? I aint sure, Wouldnt change much or anytbing so its not significant if it is or isnt though

[mighty zenith]

something something parallel universes

[clear girder]

Is there any reason why the exo-mechs are named after the gods which the greek worshipped?

[pliant ruin]

Its cool

[mighty zenith]

rule of cool

[lilac arrow]

why isnt yharim like: "grrrrr you killed my pet yharon im so angrryy at you grrrrr grrrrr" instead he's like "its fine hell be reborn"

[mighty zenith]

Because, like you said

yharon will come back

[pulsar ocean]

i think yharon is biased why did yharim not think rationally before commiting genocide

[mighty zenith]

and he really, really wants you to reach him

[pliant ruin]

also yharon isnt his pet

yharon is like

a dude

[mighty zenith]

^

yharim's main goal after watching the player progress is attempting to convince them to continue his crusade and kill all gods

[late veldt]

He just survived a failed execution via molten goddamn lava

[mighty zenith]

yharon made his decision and basically already accepted his fate

[pulsar ocean]

you know in terraria its not that hard to get lava immunity

[late veldt]

what do you think they let Yharim keep a lava charm handy while they tried to fucking kill him

[gritty kraken]

Just swallow it

[pulsar ocean]

did they strip him of his terraspark

with lava immunity

[late veldt]

You say as if Yharim wasn't wearing Yeezys

[pulsar ocean]

yeah thats yharim

[lilac arrow]

isnt that where we do our daily baths /j

dont we players swallow that whole

[prime mauve]

yeezyspark

[tepid timber]

Yhareezy’s

[pastel bay]

The godslayer 1s

[clear girder]

wait if Yharims and Yharons souls are one why didn't Yharim also die when Yharon was killed?

Or does that have something to do with the rebirth thing

[split mortar]

1. They are attuned, that doesnt mean their souls are one

2. Yharons soul still exists after we fight them, we only get some parts of yharons soul which they can heal from, so even if yharims soul did need yharons they would still be fine

[robust osprey]

yeah yharon's soul is still very alive

and he will revive in

some decades iirc

[split mortar]

1 decafe

[clear girder]

Why does it take decades to be reborn

[split mortar]

It takes 1 decade
And afaik it might be having to regen the missing soul from when they died

[mighty zenith]

because it raises stakes in the story

also im pretty sure this specific rebirth will take longer because yharon pushed himself to the limit to kill you

[young socket]

this is like asking y magic uses mana

like

it just does

thats how it works

[tardy bobcat]

The Soul attunement is also why Yharim can wear his auric armor right? cause we kinda had to make a way around it last i remembered

[split mortar]

Yep

[tardy bobcat]

alright ty

[cloud ibex]

i imagine it also might be something like

[pulsar ocean]

are the dragons that died naturally like by fovos currently in the aerie

[cloud ibex]

in the time of the Auric Dragons they could in theory respawn practically instantly if there was a "host" egg ready for their soul to inhibit

[young socket]

yharons the last auric dragon

[pulsar ocean]

do you think the egg that was served to yharim is bigger than a ostrich egg

[cloud ibex]

but since Yharon is the last Auric Dragon he doesn't have the luxury of having backup "hosts", he needs to essentially create his own new "host" body on his own, which is very time consuming

[vernal glade]

All of this still makes me wonder what Yharim's end goal was

[split mortar]

Kill all gods

[vernal glade]

Yes, but that is a little too obvious. If you kill all gods you yourself become one

[split mortar]

No?

Calamity’s definition doesnt have that happen

[vernal glade]

Think about the amount of power Yharim must have amassed

To do that

He basically would be a god

[split mortar]

Power doesnt make you a god

[vernal glade]

Then what does?

[split mortar]

A god in calamity is a being who did the ascension ritual on a auric dragon soul

Yharim rejected becoming a god infact

[vernal glade]

Hm. Some new lore must have dropped

[split mortar]

Dropped 2 years ago

[vernal glade]

Where though? I never heard about the ascension ritual

I read through the calamity lore doc on google drive

Either that or I forgot it

Still though. If Yharim kills all gods, and does not become one, what then?

[split mortar]

Yharim stays what he is
A mostly normal human

[vernal glade]

Then why are we trying to kill him and all of his cronies?

[split mortar]

You decide the lore of the terrarian

[vernal glade]

If that were true and the gods were malignant towards humans then we should be working with him

Oh i know

[split mortar]

Not all gods are bad

Infact many were good

[vernal glade]

but Yharon, Plaguebringer, etc. are all Yharim's minions

[split mortar]

Yharon is their best friend
Pbg isnt, it caused yharim to hate draedon and them to split

[vernal glade]

Such as?

[vernal glade]

Well that makes sense

[split mortar]

Otonilou and possibly tyrian, gods of the sunken sea

And the hallowed is made of possibly hundreds of unnamed good gods that died to yharim

[vernal glade]

Hm. So the question I have now is is his real motivation blind vengeance or something else, a kind of desire for control over everything as we see manifest in Yharim's interactions with many of the inhabitants of the world

[split mortar]

The motivation is to avenge the dragons the gods had killed to ascend

So ig blind vengeance?

[vernal glade]

Makes sense. It's him and Yharon V. the Universe

Everything and everyone that got hurt in his path of that are sacrifices

He is blind to anything except his goal

[split mortar]

Nah yharim straight up is aware of having killed millions
He doesnt care
He only starts showing care when he hurts an asset iirc
Like scal or perma or polterghast stuff
He actively had skeletron prime target civilians and burn them iirc

[vernal glade]

I take it it is mostly because many of these people followed the Gods or revered them, and so he sees them as tools which can be used against him?

Which also explains why the NPCs just "show up" because their towns got destroyed

[split mortar]

Scal,perma and many people in polter helped him kill gods and their worshippers

[split mortar]

Yeah
Thanks to yharim about half the worlds population died

And we play on the continent thats hit especially hard by it

[vernal glade]

Yeah. You can see that by the fact that there are no surface structures left and a sea was literally evaporated and turned into a desert

[split mortar]

Scal evaporated that sea by commands of yharim if you didnt know

When she was like 14

Yeah yharim had manipulated a child to be a child warrior

[vernal glade]

Oh I know. Scal did that and then regretted it when she eventually turned on Yharim (good thing too because he was trying to find a way to basically mind control her and clone her)

Well, according to Yharim if it kills the Gods who killed the Auric Dragons it is completely fine and a necessary action no matter what it is

[split mortar]

Draedon did actually clone her perfectly btw
Just that her power isnt hers so the clone didnt get any until it met her

[split mortar]

Except slavery

Thats where they draw the line

[vernal glade]

😂 So killing millions is totally okay but making them do work isn't? That is some insane logic

[split mortar]

Manpulating a child? Fine
Burning civilians? Fine
Starving millions? Fine
Slavery once? Cuts ties with draedon

[vernal glade]

Wait hold up so, where is the real Calamitas if the Scal we fight is a clone?

[split mortar]

Calclone thats in hardmode is the clone

Scal is tyne actual cal

[vernal glade]

Ah

But Scal clone is lesser

[split mortar]

Yeah the clone is weaker then the main one

[vernal glade]

Or is that fore gameplay reasons?

[split mortar]

The final boss scal equal ti exos is the real scal

The hardmode eye thing is the weaker clone

[vernal glade]

Oh yeah I know, I've beaten the whole mod.

So I take it the Yharim fight either will never be a thing or is still in the works

Also.... How does that work if he is a mostly normal human?

[split mortar]

He just worked out that hard for his power

We get to that level and you can be a regular guy

[vernal glade]

So never skipping leg days just lets you kill gods?

[split mortar]

Lot more then just leg day but yeah

[vernal glade]

TBH those gods must be pretty weak then

[limpid saddle]

Well theres the fact he had a dragon, an army, a genius engineer & a walking nuclear bomb on his side but yeah

basically

[split mortar]

Fyi providence can oneshot a city iirc

Or well
Has the power to do so atleast

[vernal glade]

I mean yeah, but still Yharim could have just been killed if he wasn't capable of fighting at that level

[vernal glade]

Well I mean OFC but this is also probably the most powerful of the gods because it lives in the sun

[limpid saddle]

Thats old lore

[split mortar]

She doesnt thats old lore

Xeroc is the sun god

[limpid saddle]

Providence is the Goddess of Ashes now

[vernal glade]

Huh

Okay then

[split mortar]

Lore got completely rewrote 2 years ago

And new writers

[limpid saddle]

Ok to lay it down 2 years ago there was a massive rewrite that retconned like 70% of everything

Some stuff is still in there but it's touch & go

[vernal glade]

So new lore did drop. I know last time I was on here Xeroc was unimplemented in the lore and was fan theory from talking to the devs

[split mortar]

Xeroc chats to ya in boss rush

[limpid saddle]

He does do that

He owns the Terminus

[dusk laurel]

past tense

[vernal glade]

Wait that's Xeroc?

[limpid saddle]

So you having it, peaks his interest

[vernal glade]

Huh

[limpid saddle]

Who'd you think it was

Yharim?

[vernal glade]

When I played boss rush it was there was no name attached to it

[split mortar]

Whats in the background is just a single spell sigil

[prime mauve]

And bees

specifically

[split mortar]

In old lore the thing in the background was xerocs eye

iirc

[vernal glade]

If anything I thought it would have been the god of the Abyss

Given where it is found

[limpid saddle]

I mean it's still his sigil so i think it's symbolically his eye rather than literally his eye

[limpid saddle]

There isnt really a God for that

[prime mauve]

closest is Silva I guess

[limpid saddle]

Unless you mean purely in location then I guess Silva is there

[limpid saddle]

yeah

[split mortar]

Theres a god of the seas but thats like
Big bodies of water not just the abyss specifically

[vernal glade]

I didn't know if it was silva becasuse Silva died

[prime mauve]

so did almost all of the gods

[split mortar]

Silva cant truly die
She elemental

[prime mauve]

also Silva isn't like dead dead, just mostly dead

[limpid saddle]

She isnt dead she's basically lobotomized & re-growing her brain

[vernal glade]

Ah

So how does Golden Boy (yharim) expect to deal with that if most of his strength is expended fighting us?

[limpid saddle]

He doesnt know

[split mortar]

Yharim does know

[split mortar]

They will die of age before she pops up

[vernal glade]

Was gonna say did he he accidentally checkmate himself?

[limpid saddle]

He isnt gonna kill everything to stop Silva I imagine if he was immortal his plan would be to head down there every 3 centuries & kick her shit in again

[limpid saddle]

I meant as in he doesnt know how to resolve it

[split mortar]

Ohhhh ok

[vernal glade]

So why no Calamitas Nukey time on the Abyss and all large bodies of water to remove her biome?

[split mortar]

She would still live

[vernal glade]

He didn't know until after she left I guess?

[limpid saddle]

Also that would piss off Jared

[vernal glade]

Jared?

[limpid saddle]

& Jared could probably kill Calamitas

[split mortar]

Silva cant die till all of nature and all life close to the planet is gone

[limpid saddle]

Primordial Wyrm

[split mortar]

Yes

[limpid saddle]

Fanon/Canon name

[vernal glade]

LMG, Daddy of the Eidolon Worms

[dusk laurel]

fanon

[split mortar]

Still find it funny yharon isnt even the strongest dragon alive rn despite being 2nd place auric dragon

[vernal glade]

Huh?

[split mortar]

Jared is a dragon
Just not a auric dragon

[vernal glade]

Wait wait wait hold up

So what is his deal then?

[robust osprey]

wyrms, follys and fishrons are all dragon offshots

[vernal glade]

Water?

[vernal glade]

????????

[dusk laurel]

basilisks and wyverns too

[split mortar]

And basilisks and wyverns

[split mortar]

Ye

[robust osprey]

I forgor that

[vernal glade]

I mean those are more obvious

[limpid saddle]

Basically, imagine if auric dragons mated

[robust osprey]

haha snail

[limpid saddle]

Their kin wouldnt have auric souls

So they arent auric dragons

but they are still physiologically dragons

[split mortar]

Auric dragons are the special ones with silly souls that let people ascend

[vernal glade]

So if Auric Souls let you become gods and be immortal then why on earth would a thing without an auric soul somehow be more powerful?

[robust osprey]

silva

jared got blessed by silva iirc

[limpid saddle]

Because being a God doesnt necessarily correlate to direct combat strength

[dusk laurel]

^

[limpid saddle]

Plus i'd say being basically immortal is alot better than being a big angry worm that can kill people really good

Plus being a God or Auric Dragon already gives tons of potential for development

[vernal glade]

Hm. So essentially Yharim didn't send Calamitas to go do that because it wouldn't work and she would get subnautica'ed

In addition, Auric souls mean jack unless you use them to become a god

[limpid saddle]

The Slime God could've basically reached Goozma levels of powerful if they didnt dedicate themselves to retain balancing & not giving in to their hunger

[split mortar]

I highly doubt theu could reach that level if power

[limpid saddle]

It's exponential growth

[split mortar]

Yea slime is versatile but
Slime is weak

[vernal glade]

That moment though when all of the other gods realize the thing that is really threatening them is a slime

[split mortar]

Like imo slime god if they played their cards oerfectly to grow power would be like deus level or a bit below

[vernal glade]

Until it eats gods and absorbs their power and or just straight up eats Silva/Jared

[dusk laurel]

sounds like copium imo

[split mortar]

Its already doing that kinda and its pre hardmode

[dusk laurel]

goozma is stronger than every god other than xeroc

sg and the dragon of gluttony were already pretty weak

[vernal glade]

And I imagine Xeroc is probably just like: "STAY AWAY FROM ME"

[dusk laurel]

no

[split mortar]

Xeroc is minimum 10x times stronger then yharim iirc

[tepid timber]

He’s more like “I am xeroc”

[split mortar]

Literally the unmatched power of the sun

[limpid saddle]

Dude i'd hardly consider the desecrated delapidated essence of congealed dead gods is that good eating compared to a fresh kill

[pliant ruin]

my name is xeroc

i made the boss rush

it was difficult to put the light together

[robust osprey]

hello xeroc

[split mortar]

Eh i dont see why god essence would degrade in power over time

Cheese i will kill you 37 times via brick

[vernal glade]

So I remember reading in the fanon before it was canon that Xeroc too was originally a regular dude who ascended

[dusk laurel]

my name is melon gun

[split mortar]

Vanillin stfu

[tepid timber]

He was a regular dude once

[split mortar]

Xeroc was basically the previous yharim centuries ago in terms of power

Strongest regular guy on the planet at the time
Morality? Far better then yharim

[limpid saddle]

Given the Corruption's whole gimmick is 'rot' & the Crimson's whole gimmick is 'exposed flesh & bones' i'd argue maybe

[vernal glade]

Ah so basically gigachad who figurs out how to become a god

[limpid saddle]

No, no not reallu

He was a chill monk

[vernal glade]

Is it stated what exactly Xeroc does before hsi ascension. Also where can I read this?

[limpid saddle]

Bonded with Zeratro's soul

[limpid saddle]

Dragon Aerie

[split mortar]

Theres a doc in the pins with all ingame lore

[vernal glade]

THAT HAS BEEN ADDED?

Bro

[dusk laurel]

no

[limpid saddle]

Its not in-game

[vernal glade]

Dang

[limpid saddle]

We are told that it happened there

[split mortar]

No
Likely will be part of the last update of calamity

[vernal glade]

I thought I slept through an addition

[limpid saddle]

Presumably at the pinnacle to make the scene extra cool

[vernal glade]

Well ye Yharim says to find him there

[dusk laurel]

he said what happened

not where

[snow mountain]

if that happens

[split mortar]

Theres a doc in the pins with all ingame lore btw when you want to read that

[vernal glade]

I may be 30 before it happens but I have faith it either will or someone will make an unofficial mod that adds it if Fabsol stops devving

[dusk laurel]

what

what does fab have to do with this dawg

fab only works on the bosses

[tepid timber]

“Meet me at the dragon aerie, let us put this calamity to an end, and fight to the death mode” linkin park plays

[vernal glade]

Is it the google drive one? where can I find this?

[vernal glade]

I thought they were the primary dev, MB

[split mortar]

Here

[dusk laurel]

the team is very decentralized afaik

especially after 22

[split mortar]

They own cal
But theres too many devs to really say ones the main coder afaik

[vernal glade]

What happened in '22?

[limpid saddle]

it's brought up like Calamity's personal 9/11

[dusk laurel]

dw about it

not really

[vernal glade]

?

[snow mountain]

its its achilles heel

[split mortar]

21 devs left due to internal stuff
Thats basically as much as i know

[limpid saddle]

It wasnt really all that calamitousy but it did have a major impact on development one cannot deny this

[dusk laurel]

i mean yeah

[vernal glade]

Ah. So basically it gutted the dev team and that was that

[dusk laurel]

most of the art team left

[limpid saddle]

owch

[dusk laurel]

and a bunch of programmers

[limpid saddle]

Explains why Fables looks as good as it does though

[vernal glade]

Fables?

[dusk laurel]

im gonna fry someone

[limpid saddle]

Calamity add-on/remake made by the devs that left in '22

[dusk laurel]

i dont want to hear about how good fables is

[limpid saddle]

it currently has 3 bosses

[snow mountain]

cal if it was peak

[dusk laurel]

everyone already knows this

[split mortar]

Explode

[dusk laurel]

its like saying people need water

[snow mountain]

yeah but it is really great

[vernal glade]

You are entitled to your opinion but I disagree despite not having tried fables

[limpid saddle]

i was shrimply making a comment on the quality of the art & how that is explained given the many artists that worked together on the project

[snow mountain]

thus id consider your own invalid

[split mortar]

Be creative and say something that hasnt been said a trillion times smh my head

[snow mountain]

i say that from a mod developer pov

[split mortar]

Fables is a mod that is made by many ex devs and they plan on using the plans they had for cal from before they left

[snow mountain]

it may actually foster more creative and less uniform content mods

[limpid saddle]

I wonder what. Uh

uhh

hmm

[dusk laurel]

what

[limpid saddle]

What would you guys consider the first major boss of Calamity

[snow mountain]

john calamity

[split mortar]

What thu mean by major

[pliant ruin]

desert scourge

[limpid saddle]

Like in terms of progression gating & whatever

[dusk laurel]

same

ds

[limpid saddle]

that isnt desert scourge

[pliant ruin]

crabulon

[vernal glade]

To me from looking at it it looks like Starlight River. Cool for the ~5 hours of content it adds and then it's over. I'll have to try it but breadth is just as important as depth

[limpid saddle]

that isnt crabulon

[pliant ruin]

evil2

[dusk laurel]

okay

[snow mountain]

yeah but regular cal is 80% slop

[dusk laurel]

what counts as major

[split mortar]

They plan on adding more over time like cal is

[split mortar]

This

Apparently

[vernal glade]

I mean you are entitled to that, but I disagree. I love almost every fight

[limpid saddle]

Alright I wonder what the Fables interpretation of The Perforators & Hive Mind will look like

[dusk laurel]

we already know perforators

[snow mountain]

from a game design standpoint it makes the game's issues far worse

[dusk laurel]

not hivemind

[snow mountain]

I LOVE SPIDER PERFORATORS

[vernal glade]

Such as?

[dusk laurel]

fr

[limpid saddle]

can i kindly ask you elaborate on this a little

im curious what you mean

[dusk laurel]

god bless ibanplay

[split mortar]

Boss bloat and not much not boss content

[limpid saddle]

oh they a spider now?

[dusk laurel]

fables perf is the spider

[snow mountain]

oh boy, my favourite reoccuring question

this is like one of several times ive yapped about this, id rather spare you

[split mortar]

Especially post ml

[vernal glade]

Maybe that was the point of Terraria? I mean Bosses were just one of the three pillars. The others were exploring and building

[limpid saddle]

just grab your copypasta from your clipboard

[snow mountain]

its all passion

[limpid saddle]

At least alot of the exploration issues will be remedied by stuff like SSO

[snow mountain]

nah, neglecting the other two worsens it significantly

its so boring

[dusk laurel]

basecal perfs will be a hydra

[snow mountain]

its a slog

[snow mountain]

oh my god i think i might die of peak

turkor is back

[limpid saddle]

huh

[split mortar]

Yeah
Not much exploring is added by calamity
And even for fighting, theres fighting events which cal doesnt add much

[limpid saddle]

not what i expected

[pulsar ocean]

who the fuck doesnt like fighting bosses
the more bosses = the better

[dusk laurel]

no

[pliant ruin]

i hate this chat

[snow mountain]

also they are all bullet hell slopfests by the end

[limpid saddle]

Crazy take

[split mortar]

I dont play the dig fight explore build game to just fight

[snow mountain]

this is a vaema level take

[limpid saddle]

Infernum exaserbates this i'll be real 💔

[dusk laurel]

this just feels like ragebait tbh

[pulsar ocean]

i play the dig fight explore game to just fight
ive had just enough digging and exploring on my first couple vanilla playthroughs

[limpid saddle]

they throwinh the bullet hells out by skeletron

[dusk laurel]

i cant take anything this person says seriously

[vernal glade]

I mean I think what is happening to make people think this is that essentially Cal today is an outline. The paragraphs have not been fully written and so all the little details such as the exploration between bosses haven't been added yet

[limpid saddle]

Kozz?

Usually they spend all their time being confused about lore so i wouldnt say i've seen any particularly shit takes from them

[snow mountain]

i think we need to break this users fingers

[split mortar]

Yeah cal plans to fix the not much non boss content stuff with things like overhauling the entire game and adding the distortion eventually

[dusk laurel]

they talk in other channels too

[vernal glade]

The other thing is that Terraria's exploration is a lot of environmental storytelling and revisiting areas you have been to to find new stuff, and in doing so you see new things

[dusk laurel]

but i dont want to see this channel devolve into arguments every day

[snow mountain]

it overhauls terraria more than overhaul does, mirs is rolling is his grave

[snow mountain]

we all tend to catalyse it, theres not much to be done to avoid it

the great drought

[limpid saddle]

I like the idea of the Dragonfolly event as one of Cal's events

[split mortar]

Thats become more likely iirc

[young socket]

we all tend to WHAT?!

[split mortar]

To be added

[limpid saddle]

It'd just be generally fun to have more stuff post moonlord other than boss killing

[dusk laurel]

mhm

[snow mountain]

😔

[vernal glade]

I think what is causing this is that Cal has a fanbase bigger than a good chunk of Indie games on steam, and yet the Devs do not get paid to do this so what happens is a lot of dissatisfaction at slow development which cannot be helped because this is not their job

[young socket]

you have been a calamity to my kingdom

[limpid saddle]

& i guess going to the jungle 3 different times to pick up a new ore

[dusk laurel]

what

its a passion project

thats completely voluntary

[snow mountain]

that does not make it immune to criticism

[limpid saddle]

Does the Patreon not help to fund everything?

[split mortar]

They never denied that

[vernal glade]

Exactly what I am saying

[split mortar]

Only fabsol gets the money iirc

And the devs agree thats fine iirc

[limpid saddle]

Though

[vernal glade]

It is voluntary, but it's not their job. They don't get paid to do it so then can't work 8 hours a day on it every day

[limpid saddle]

oh

hm

[dusk laurel]

no

[limpid saddle]

thats

[snow mountain]

i should get paid smh

[limpid saddle]

well

hmmmmmmm

[dusk laurel]

voluntary work usually isnt paid

unless you get donations

[split mortar]

Considering the devs dont want the money i dont find it odd

[limpid saddle]

Wait so Fabsol also gets all of the merchandising cash?

[dusk laurel]

no

[vernal glade]

Sure, but I was just pointing out that that causes a slow dev pace and then that causes community dissatisfaction which leads to arguments

[dusk laurel]

the artists get a cut

if they designed it

[young socket]

if u split the patreon to the

like

[limpid saddle]

I hope it's a good one

[young socket]

40ish devs

[limpid saddle]

Like the character or the product?

[young socket]

everyone would literally get pennies

[dusk laurel]

idk

some devs are also basically just playtesters

byproduct of 22

[vernal glade]

Yeah because I would say maybe 1/1000 of people who download and play Cal donate

[limpid saddle]

I wouldn't consider $50 a month pennies

[young socket]

like the patteon is barely enough for one person to live on

[snow mountain]

i can't comment on this

[limpid saddle]

I imagine this is worsened by Patreon Dedicated items being removed as a promise of the higher tiers

[vernal glade]

With rent for a studio apartment being $900-1300/month and food being like $200 a week it kinda is tho

[snow mountain]

wait they removed that stuff? that'll be great to prevent further content bloat

[dusk laurel]

true

theres still a backlog

[young socket]

they still have a backlog to go thru

[dusk laurel]

of patreon items to be made

[limpid saddle]

If only, everyone in this discord gave up $1 a month...

[split mortar]

They remived the ability to buy an item
Backlog just exists

[dusk laurel]

like

[snow mountain]

backlog...

[limpid saddle]

Then everybody would be rolling in it

[pulsar ocean]

all current dedicated patreon items were adding cuz of people that donated YEARS ago

[dusk laurel]

only a couple thousand people are actually active here

[snow mountain]

spirit obliterated most of their donator content if i recall

[limpid saddle]

If everybody in this discord gave up $1 a month each dev would get like $6,200 a month

[vernal glade]

The problem is 1/2-1/3 of the people on here are probably too young to work, so even $1 a month wouldn't cut it

It would have to be like $5

[snow mountain]

i really can't comment on this

[pulsar ocean]

i could see why dedicated items were stopped being produced
what dev would want to make a dedicated item instead of working on something important especially if fabsol gets all the patreon money

[robust osprey]

loreus...

[vernal glade]

The other thing is $30000 a month/20 devs is $1500 per dev, x12=$18k. $18k cannot keep you afloat unless you live in a really dangerous neighborhood

Because you gotta think, 2/3 would not donate at all

And that's optimistic

[young socket]

theres around 40+ devs

[vernal glade]

Ye, the thought was that ~20 are "full time"

[young socket]

forgot the exact number but its around there

[snow mountain]

yeah it is way above average numbers wise

[pulsar ocean]

why are we discussing ts

in the

lore

channe;l

[limpid saddle]

this is lore

dev lore

economics lore

& i will refrain from commenting further on any above statements for I know it will immideatly devolve into me screaming socialist rhetoric

[manic coral]

yeah it's a thing of like

one person being able to pay rent

vs. 40 people being able to buy like, 4 lasnangas

dont ask me why i thought of that

$50 doesn't even buy a week of groceries

[light linden]

hey cei?

[manic coral]

sup

[light linden]

is life fruit tied to the group that made plantera?

[manic coral]

maybe, maybe not

[light linden]

you're killing me here cei

[dusk laurel]

terra shards after they get replaced

[limpid saddle]

im gonna assume this is a 'i didnt think about it but im gonna consider writing that in but im not really sure right now so im gonna give a vauge response' thing

[manic coral]

no i have an actual answer it just ties into more major stuff

which, as always

i dont answer

unless it's for a good reason

[limpid saddle]

is it gonna be in sso

[manic coral]

for once

the answer is no

[limpid saddle]

My god

this will rock the foundations of the calamity server as we know it

Something that isnt in Sunken Sea Overhaul Part 1 & 2?

[dusk laurel]

this guy doesnt know about the other major updates

[limpid saddle]

[dusk laurel]

[limpid saddle]

As we all know Sunken Sea Overhaul Part 2 is actually the final update & will have everything in it

[dusk laurel]

[limpid saddle]

DoG will be reworked into a Giant Clam reskin

[young socket]

yharm the yarn

[limpid saddle]

me when my yharim is reigning

[dusk laurel]

[pulsar ocean]

it will have

gorthus

the dark souls 3 boss

yhorm

slave knight gael

[full leaf]

Idea

1 of every pokemon
vs.
1 of every Calamity entity

Pokemon get their Pokedex entries (Any entries from Alola and Yveltal are not counted)

Calamity Entities get their lore

[dusk laurel]

pokemon sweeps here

[split mortar]

Like

[full leaf]

Dragons are not counted

[mighty zenith]

regardless of if dex entries are canon

[split mortar]

Calamity aint even planet level

[full leaf]

except for Yharon

[mighty zenith]

pokemon are sweeping

they dont hold a candle to most legendaries

ESPECIALLY not the creation trio

and arceus ofc

[split mortar]

Throw every single cal character dead and alive and like
Idk
Base normal groudon fucking SWEEPS

[full leaf]

Let's assume for this that Xeroc = Arceus in terms of power

since they are the gods of their universes

[robust osprey]

mewtwo solos

[split mortar]

Xeroc is not even continental

[mighty zenith]

i mean at that point its not even the same characters

xeroc isnt the god of the universe like arceus

[robust osprey]

mewtwo can probably solo xeroc

even a pseudo could

[mighty zenith]

calamity doesnt scale beyond a planet

[full leaf]

Fuck no LMAO

[split mortar]

Isnt tyranitar legit invincible

In dex

[full leaf]

ok nevermind dex isn't counted

[mighty zenith]

it cant be hurt by physical attacks iirc

[full leaf]

fuck that

pour gasoline on it and light it on fire

[mighty zenith]

even disregarding dex
pokemon pull some insane shit

[split mortar]

Right so yharim and braelor are completely countered

[robust osprey]

okay

lv1 rattata solos

[young socket]

on a rock type?

[full leaf]

Polterghast:

[full leaf]

The Pokedex

[mighty zenith]

put up necrozma against xeroc and watch it absorb the fucking sun and destroy the universe

[robust osprey]

any other pokemon could take care of that

[full leaf]

Oh my god Necrozma would absolutely body Xeroc

[robust osprey]

lmao true

[full leaf]

but Noxus could body Necrozma right back

[mighty zenith]

how

[split mortar]

We dunno what the fuck noxus is capable of

[agile shuttle]

One Mega Ray draco meteor and yharon is gone

[mighty zenith]

we dont even
know what noxus can do 😭

[full leaf]

Light-stealing? idk basically none of us know what Noxus could do

which is why I said could

[robust osprey]

can probably destroy a planet

and uh

[split mortar]

They are worse then xeroc in a fight but capable of more destruction

[robust osprey]

controls distortion

that's it

[split mortar]

Not even all of it

[young socket]

i think we should bring in eternamax eternatus and bring upon the darkest day

[full leaf]

Also Draedon exists

[agile shuttle]

Lvl 1 focus sash aron sweeps

[robust osprey]

a part of it

[robust osprey]

rottom steals an exo

ez

[split mortar]

Draedon when primal groudon fucking glasses the surface too quick to escape

[wheat walrus]

Calamity keeps itself grounded enough w scaling and feats to the point where Monster Hunter of all things is a better comparison than Pokemon (with elders at least, I don't think something like Rathalos is doing much aside from like late pre-hardmode to early hardmode at most)

[full leaf]

"Were he to lose his temper: if he even has one, all of life's hopes would be smothered in an instant, silenced by a torrent of silicon." - Yharim

[robust osprey]

rottom could probably steal a draedon body

[wheat walrus]

🫗

[wheat walrus]

that just means Draedon can spam create Exo-Mechs as he has endless resources, and then send them all to scorch everywhere

[full leaf]

Draedon might have to carry Calamity

[split mortar]

Yeah lifes hopes
Cause well
Draedon can just make more exos
If they decided to do that all hope would be lost

Not that theyd kill all people immediately

[young socket]

yea cool and killing all life isnt really

a difficult thing

[split mortar]

We see their strongest machines and
Beat them

[wheat walrus]

1 exo-mech group individually is not doing that

[robust osprey]

probably rottom could figure out where the draebodies are by stealing one

and boom

[wheat walrus]

depending on what "life" means here

[mighty zenith]

draedon would still need time to even be able to do that

[full leaf]

I doubt Draedon wouldn't have a way to prevent that after Astrum Aureus got theives

[wheat walrus]

are you talking about like generally life, or literally anything that's considered living

[full leaf]

*got theived

[full leaf]

idk let's ask Yharim

[mighty zenith]

he doesnt, because it happens during the game

he hasnt figured it out just yet

[robust osprey]

aureus was an infection, rottom is a ghost

not the same

[wheat walrus]

I would ask Draedon instead

[split mortar]

Pokemon body calamity verse
Cant solgaleo just
Here comes the sun or somethinf

[full leaf]

Highly doubt it

also I decided to just can the dex entirely because it's fucking stupid

no dex entries

[split mortar]

Yharim aint even mountain level

[full leaf]

Arceus = Xeroc in terms of power

[split mortar]

Theyre the 3-4th strongest character

[robust osprey]

yharim got a hard time defeating shakidou, god of space, palkia is probably more powerful than shakidou with almost same powers

[full leaf]

also wait

[mighty zenith]

whats even the point then

[full leaf]

is the terrarian counted in this?

[wheat walrus]

Solgaleo has the power needed for Necrozma to turn into Ultra Necrozma, Necrozma was absorbing entire dimensions worth of light and still not reaching that

[split mortar]

Legit like
A group of tyranitar could just run about and nuke most characters

[wheat walrus]

more like Arceus = Nameless Deity, and even that is debatable tbh

[robust osprey]

no beacuse you can say terrarian is gokuversal and gg

[full leaf]

Aren't they the same thing?

[mighty zenith]

no

😭

very much not

[full leaf]

wait what?

[split mortar]

No
Nameless deity is literally from an addon

[mighty zenith]

xeroc isnt nameless

thats the whole point

[full leaf]

oh

[mighty zenith]

NAMELESS

deity

[wheat walrus]

💔

[split mortar]

Xeroc has a name
Nameless is well
Nameless

[young socket]

if ur forcing arceus and xeroc to be the same strength, then at that logic a lot of the mons who helped with the creation of earth would be as strong as scal, and theres like

[split mortar]

Literally why would the unnamed being be a named being

[young socket]

at least 10

[robust osprey]

nameless has a name it's pablo

[full leaf]

Creation Trio is probably like Noxus level

[young socket]

not to mention the other stuff that are as strong as those, like necrozma

[full leaf]

I think Calamity is just fucked ngl

[split mortar]

Nah
The creatiom trio are like
Literally concepts

[mighty zenith]

if we have two creator gods of the same strength then its just a stalemate

[split mortar]

Yes

[full leaf]

Ultra Necrozma just completely bodies Xeroc

[wheat walrus]

creation of earth is weather trio iirc

[robust osprey]

necrozma can suck xeroc's light I think

[wheat walrus]

anyways if we wanna go by feats

[split mortar]

A single base groudon fucking KILLS the entire cal verse

[young socket]

theres a few others who helped with the earth stuff like regigigas, who moved continents

[robust osprey]

didn't necrozma steal light from another universes

[full leaf]

The nefarious Plantera:

[mighty zenith]

yes

[full leaf]

Base Groudon is a wimp compared to Pdon

[young socket]

and also the life and death trio

who

well

[split mortar]

Bro
The highest feat in calamity is a country level feat
And its over time
So scal aint even equal to it

[young socket]

uphold life and death

[full leaf]

Also Eidolon Wyrm exists

[mighty zenith]

groudon could fry illmeris in like
minutes maybe

[split mortar]

And what anout them theyre fucking weak

[robust osprey]

jared would probably not care honestly

[full leaf]

They're as strong as a god basically

[robust osprey]

but if it HAS to fight

mewtwo solos

[split mortar]

Slimegod is a god
Being as strong as a god holds little weight

[mighty zenith]

skeletron is about as strong as a god

[full leaf]

Fair enough, "god" is too wide of a range

[young socket]

lets not even mention primordial forms of those two fuckers

[robust osprey]

a sea creature (aqua scoog) is way stronger than a god

[full leaf]

They're stronger than SCal in-game

[young socket]

that boosts their already insane feats by who knows how much

[mighty zenith]

or even mega ray, who both of those fuckers are scared of

[split mortar]

Groudon or kyoger in base bully the cal world

[split mortar]

Base rayquaza bullies the primal forms of them iirc

[full leaf]

You're glazing the weather trio too much

They aren't that strong

[split mortar]

They created the fucking continents

[mighty zenith]

is he tho?

[robust osprey]

both of them could probably kill humanity

[mighty zenith]

groudon and kyogre singlehandedly could cause the wipeout of all creatures on the planet

[robust osprey]

yharim took 100 years to kill millions

[mighty zenith]

let alone if they started beefing again

[robust osprey]

weather trio could probably reach yharim numbers in weeks

[mighty zenith]

and thats them in base

[full leaf]

I should think of a better vs. scenario

what games do I know a lot about...

[split mortar]

Calamity scales lower then many people think

[robust osprey]

"the mod where you kill GODS!" mf the gods are weaker than a plant

[wheat walrus]

biggest feat in Calamity is Calamitas boiling a sea over the course of a long time (calced Country Level at most, but downed to City Level with a time division as it's an overtime feat)

Lugia can bring a 40-day long storm, iirc calced to Large Island Level

Groudon lifted the continents and Kyogre can flood said continents, both calced consistently to Multi-Continent Level, and it checks out even by name

Rayquaza stopped an actual planet-destroyer meteor, the grand delta meteor was consistently calced around Small Planet to Planet Level even just based on its visual size and speed

Necrozma drains dimensions of light, Solgaleo and Lunala hold enough light that Necrozma can snap back into Ultra Necrozma whereas those dimensions didn't, simple thinking

it doesn't need to go beyond this methinks

[wheat walrus]

even just Town Level is comparable to nukes

City Level, which is the standard for things as powerful or beyond Storm Weaver (who deals with standard storm creation) is beyond most nukes except for maybe a tsar bomba

:p

they're not world-creators or planet-destroyers, but that's also kinda the point with both gods and dragons

they don't embody their domains, they only wield them (auric soul, 'godly' soul)

and for all we know, they actually originate from the world's soul shattering into pieces

[full leaf]

Let's talk about something different

has the player's origin been revealed yet?

[limpid saddle]

Me when I disregard the power-scaling & lore of both settings to make one perform better

[robust osprey]

the terrarian is YOU

🫵

[mighty zenith]

say the line bart

[limpid saddle]

the terrarian is YOU

[split mortar]

The TERRARIAN is up to YOU to decide

[full leaf]

But where does the body you inhabit originate from

[split mortar]

They are your OC

You decide

[robust osprey]

except we suck at naming

[limpid saddle]

we dont know

[wheat walrus]

THE TERRARIAN IS YOU 🫵🗣️🔥

[limpid saddle]

we're never gonna know

[split mortar]

We do
If you make your own oc

[full leaf]

yknow what

[limpid saddle]

Anyway yeah you are severely overestimating mr Primordial light & supremely underestimating the literal creator of all

[full leaf]

you all are right

[limpid saddle]

It's even canonized that the Arceus a player has is only one of the 1000 hands he used to create the universe

[full leaf]

Primordial Light can one-shot the player (Daytime EoL) in its defense

[robust osprey]

no?

EoL doesn't oneshot

[calm patio]

calamitys daytime eol does not one shot you

[full leaf]

Daytime

[limpid saddle]

Daytime Empress doesnt one-shot in Calamity

[full leaf]

oh

[robust osprey]

unless you have copper armor

[full leaf]

have I missed something??

did they nerf her??

[calm patio]

thats a in-game mechanic

[limpid saddle]

No no

Its just Calamity

[robust osprey]

she has increased dmg and defense

[limpid saddle]

Base game Daytime Empress one shots

[full leaf]

oh they just doubled her damage in day

lame

[mighty zenith]

she works closer to nighttime provi

[limpid saddle]

Calamity Daytime Empress doesnt

[mighty zenith]

also tbf daytime empress in vanilla is the exact same, she just oneshots

[limpid saddle]

& even if we were to ignore the mod for some reason, the player character is just a dude, what point does this prove?

[mighty zenith]

calamity makes the fight at least slightly different, and forces you to fight her for a set amount of time

[wheat walrus]

ok

even assuming that's the case

[full leaf]

it's not

[wheat walrus]

it only proves that primordial light is much stronger than you

[full leaf]

I was corrected

[wheat walrus]

yes but even assuming that

it's a null point

1shot =/= infinite power

just enough power to 1shot you

[limpid saddle]

Thank you for elaborating omni

[wheat walrus]

and well

[full leaf]

Fuck it Raiden (MGRR) vs. Draedon who wins

Draedon gets Exo Mechs

Raiden gets Murasama

[mighty zenith]

raiden can never kill draedon

[wheat walrus]

not for EoL but for Xeroc, it checks out since Xeroc is meant to be the strongest in the verse

[robust osprey]

let's count kill all 4 exos as a win

[wheat walrus]

Raiden would be repeatedly killing Draedon bodies and never end it

[limpid saddle]

depends if the nanoblade could pierce Thanatos's plating

[mighty zenith]

i think he takes it then

[wheat walrus]

he can maybe take down the 4 Exo-Mechs but idk

not too sure

he prolly does but I also don't care much for MGRR scaling either

[mighty zenith]

raiden cut through a metal gear, without his enhancements and a regular hf blade

[limpid saddle]

Metal Gear Solid is an at least semi-realistic series

[mighty zenith]

id say that counts for something

[snow mountain]

psycho mantis:

[full leaf]

that was an older Metal Gear

[limpid saddle]

I said semi mf

[snow mountain]

shush

[mighty zenith]

idk beating up excelsus with its own leg is also pretty up there

[limpid saddle]

Anyway, Raiden is, tragically, not going to survive the infinite energy gauss nuke cannon

[mighty zenith]

raiden is kinda fucking insane in terms of physical strength

[full leaf]

That is true

[full leaf]

He is but he has limits

[limpid saddle]

All because of his cybernetic enhancements though

[full leaf]

Exo Mechs are almost certainly heavier than the metal gears are

[limpid saddle]

Our old boy MGS2 twink raiden could never

[mighty zenith]

tbf this is specifically mgrr raiden

so yeah

[limpid saddle]

Thanatos, definetly, Ares? Ehhh, Apollo & Artemis? No way

[mighty zenith]

he is strong enough to probably rip off thanatos' spine outright

[full leaf]

Raiden's main issue is speed

but wait

the Exo Mechs don't have infinite energy

[mighty zenith]

i dont think he could reach the twins tho

[mighty zenith]

no they do

[limpid saddle]

yeah they do

thats what the exo prisms are for

[mighty zenith]

exo prisms are literally infinite energy

[full leaf]

That would violate the laws of thermodynamics though

[limpid saddle]

This isnt a 'ahah he could out wait them' situation

[limpid saddle]

Yes, they do

Draedon even says they do

[split mortar]

Creating energy doesnt
But destroying energy does

In calamity

[limpid saddle]

They still work though

[mighty zenith]

idk man this universe has stars made of mana

real life rules dont necessarily apply

[split mortar]

And the sun be a ball of sunlight prob

[limpid saddle]

I dont think Raiden could survive Ares weaponry

[full leaf]

oh it does have infinite energy

mb

[limpid saddle]

He could potentially even be killed by Thanatos' exhaust

[full leaf]

so Apollo & Artemis could just dance in the sky and wait for Raiden to turn into a wrinkly old man and die and win

[mighty zenith]

then again

raiden can jump on rockets

and apollo fires rockets

[robust osprey]

our bones store mana

[full leaf]

He can't jump on air

[limpid saddle]

While I love MGS dearly, it isnt a powerscaling series

[full leaf]

Just don't shoot

[split mortar]

I mean
Is that
Like
Even
Braelor level though

[limpid saddle]

Dont Apollo & Artemis shoot lasers anyway

[mighty zenith]

i believe there is a way raiden could win if the exos arent like
optimal

[limpid saddle]

Raiden may be cracked but he cant do balet recitals on plasma

[mighty zenith]

and do the same things they do against us

[split mortar]

Apollo launches plasma potentially tens of thousands of degrees hot
Apollo does lasers

[mighty zenith]

but even thats giving raiden quite a hand

[split mortar]

And that may be a lowball on temp

[wheat walrus]

not actual "infinite"

just limitless energy production for anything that would even be needed

[full leaf]

Same difference

[limpid saddle]

just draw a sideways 8 on the prisms & boom infinite energy

[full leaf]

the effects are the same

[split mortar]

Unlimited energy limited output basically

[limpid saddle]

Do you think if another Fovos-level threat came to attack the planet & Xeroc was asleep at the wheel Draedon would be able to reprogram the Exo Mechs to over-ride the limited output & suicide bomb themselves into it to solve the problem instantaneously

[real silo]

I don't think he can just override it

Exo prisms just can't output a lot at a time

[limpid saddle]

with a 'miracle matter' solution they are able to shoot out omega death lasers & even without it Thanatos is able to.. operate so clearly there is a SIGNIFIGANT amount of output

[real silo]

Thanatos death laser is also like 100 tons of exo prism all going overheat all at once

Miracle matter exists true but even that just doesn't make them way too over the top

[manic coral]

"My entire goddamn Exo-Mech, dickhead!"

[real silo]

Remember the exos we fight already have the thanos deathray and the miracle matter deathray (from ares) and yet they're still Just exos level

[manic coral]

[split mortar]

Noxus i doubt could be beat that easily

[cosmic minnow]

Is draedons chair heated? Does he even need heating?

[manic coral]

no

to both

[split mortar]

PCs make a lot of heat
If anything they would have cooling

[cosmic minnow]

Man…

[split mortar]

Though disable the cooling and you prob fry from the heat exo tech makes

[cloud ibex]

well the cooling might only be enough to keep the temperatures at acceptable levels for the purposes of not frying the internal circuitry

just because there's cooling doesn't necessarily mean it's at sub zero temperatures or anything

so it could still be heated, even if the heat wasn't necessarily on purpose

[vivid ore]

was Silva a dryad before she became a god or is that just old lore

[split mortar]

Dont think we know which one was first concretely

Id imagine god first but i wouldnt be surprised if dryad was first

[cloud ibex]

iunno if we really know what exactly dryads are in cal

[split mortar]

Well
Silva was the first

[cloud ibex]

for all we know they could be effectively smaller fragments of silva, kinda like how sand elementals are all fragments of what would technically be one, much more powerful sand elemental(?)

except dryads are more sapient than the lesser sand elementals because of silva's ascension

[sleek halo]

truly

the cei moment of all time

[sinful adder]

maybe when silva ascended, all her extra bodies ascended in their own way into something like demigods

[tepid timber]

I assume they’re not doing things like demigods because that might muddy things up and be less interesting in the first place

[river python]

extra bodies?

[sinful adder]

I don't mean literally, but sort of similar

[sinful adder]

like the brimlings

[river python]

oh

i would like to do a fan comic of Calamity. but i still don't know what is canon or what is not.. like what is old lore or new lore, and it's pretty confusing

[late veldt]

there's a pinned document that contains the new lore

[river python]

Statis And Braelor are gay?

[pulsar ocean]

he slashes up thanatos and ares like the metal gear from the first mission

[pulsar ocean]

Fovos 2 the electric boogalo when he sees hekate pull up

[frigid sage]

Yes.

[patent tiger]

is respawning canon

[pulsar ocean]

yes cuz i said so

its my head canon

[patent tiger]

what authority do you have to decide the canon

[pulsar ocean]

the player decides the lore of the terrarian

so

in my lore

terrarian can respawn

and the difficulty is infernum

[patent tiger]

ok

[crystal latch]

guys whos the strongest character canonically, like at their peak

[light linden]

xeroc

maybe fovos

[crystal latch]

what place would like noxus be

[light linden]

between yharim and xeroc

[crystal latch]

do we know the places of characters like silva or goozma or do we have not enough on them

[light linden]

goozma is non canon, silva is practically immortal

[crystal latch]

GOOZMA IS NON CANON??? this breaks my heart i swear he was mentioned in the slime god lore item

[pulsar ocean]

that from wrath of the gods 💔

which is not canon

💔

[crystal latch]

hunt of the old god actually

or do you mean wotg added goozma to the slime god lore item

[pulsar ocean]

are you talking about the book

the slime bible

or whatever its called

[crystal latch]

no i mean the lore item every boss drops when they die the first time

[pulsar ocean]

cuz i dont see hotog change slime god's lore through the boss checklist

[crystal latch]

REALLY?? was i genuionely just tweeking

i think i was thinking of a pet its like slime perfected crystal orb or some combination of those words

does anyone have like a list of all the characters that absorbed auric souls

[pulsar ocean]

slime god

providence

basically every gos

god

most are dead

silva i think

[green prairie]

Xeroc was the first to do so I believe (do we know if the Devourer ever properly absorbed an Auric Soul? Or does he just digest them?)

[crystal latch]

doesnt he like take it to the distortion or something or am i tweeking again

[pulsar ocean]

devourer didnt live during the time there were any auric souls to take

hes eating god essence

like pure god juice

not really for himself

[green prairie]

So he's eating their physical essence rather than spiritual essence?

[pulsar ocean]

hes taking it into the distortion for his boss noxus to eat it

[pulsar ocean]

its rather that auric souls arent a thing after they're absorbed once so he has no choice

[crystal latch]

do we know which auric souls they each got? if i remember (and im not getting mods confused) xeroc is the auric soul of light, slime god got gluttony, sliva got life, ravager (when it was alive) got death?

[pulsar ocean]

ravager was the god of sacrifice i think

something like that

[crystal latch]

oh and yharon is rebirth ofc

[green prairie]

Xeroc's is Primordial Light to be exact, I'm not sure what the difference is but all I know is that its one of the most powerful

[pulsar ocean]

some random guy with a japanese name got the auric soul of geometrical space he was the 2nd strongest to xeroc

yharim killed him

[green prairie]

Unrelated to the Auric Soul discussion, but I wonder if we'll ever learn about whoever activated Draedon

[paper oyster]

Now that we’re on it, tf is Primordial Light? Xeroc has it but the Empress of Light does too somehow?

[green prairie]

The Empress just channels it during the day iirc, she doesn't have that power in its purest form like Xeroc does now and Zeratros did

[paper oyster]

I see

[sinful adder]

Souls are physical objects in calamity

It's just like the souls of light and night, but for gods

"ascendant spirit essence" is probably the same thing

[green prairie]

I assume absorbing an Auric Soul is like equipping an accessory then? (Only on a greater scale)

[paper oyster]

Sounds like a permanent buff kind of thing tbh

[green prairie]

Literally permanent, as I don't think there's a way to give up an Auric Soul without dying

[mighty zenith]

yes

as far as we know its the only way to permamently kill an auric dragon

[split mortar]

Its xeroc
No competition

[paper oyster]

I can kill one

[paper oyster]

Didnt Xeroc bested the shit out of Yharim so hard he gave him depression

[green prairie]

Xeroc and Zeratros are both likely tied for the spot of most powerful, since they wield the same power and soul

[paper oyster]

Zeratros is dead tho

[split mortar]

Uh possibly
Yharim must have trained for something to have surpassed the exos

Since exos are equal to yharim when they first got exo armour

[split mortar]

Zeratros is tied with yharim

[green prairie]

wait I forgot about Fovos

[split mortar]

Idk about potential but its been confirmed that xeroc has the best potential possible

In the calverse

[paper oyster]

What’s up with exos I never understood it

Are they just Draedon trying to create a machine to match Yharim’s power?