lore-discussion

[sinful adder]

God of life AND elemental of nature, one of the most powerful gods. Can never truly die due to being an elemental, but she's currently regenerating in the abyss

[lone bolt]

I see

[sinful adder]

She made the primordial wyrm from a normal eidolon wyrm to the super boss level it is at with her blessing power, and she also gave a similar blessing to her champion, Braelor, who almost beat Yharim a few years ago.

[long sand]

Who would be the best gym bro in calamity

[eager bluff]

well

also cant die from the fact that

goddess of life

[gaunt sluice]

*alongside Statis

[sinful adder]

yeah that too

[sinful adder]

someone told me that this isn't the main factor involved in her true immortality

[eager bluff]

maybe not the main factor but like

still helping with the immortality schtick

[real silo]

Braelor probably

There aren't too many buff dudes in the mod

[glacial rampart]

xeroc could be

we dont know

[real silo]

xeroc is skinny as hell have you seen his concept art

[gaunt sluice]

sliva vs one player with access to the Cyborg and a Celebration Mk2

simply delete all life and she won't exist anymore

[glacial rampart]

thats pre-ascension

[eager bluff]

sure if you also kill yourself

[gaunt sluice]

this is a good point

if its just you left will you have a silva voice in your head

[eager bluff]

doubt it

[real silo]

I doubt xeroc would suddenly get 30 kilos of muscle upon ascension

[pliant ruin]

Microorganisms are also life

[gaunt sluice]

providence apparently got 30 tons of rock

[gaunt sluice]

delet

[pliant ruin]

Good luck killing everg bacteria on earth

[eager bluff]

xeroc might have gotten physically stronger on ascension but also have you seen the size of braelors axe in the concept art

[gaunt sluice]

so SIlva's kinda the only truly immortal being

[eager bluff]

other elementals

[gaunt sluice]

o yea fair enough

[eager bluff]

full elementals are realistically the only truly immortal things because they're the metaphysical manifestation of a certain concept

[gaunt sluice]

elementals > gods

[eager bluff]

so without erasing said concept you dont get to kill them

[gaunt sluice]

Silva finally regaining consciousness in 2 millenia like what the hell happened here

[glacial rampart]

i lifted a really heavy pile of dishes at work the other day

ill be fine

[tidal tulip]

I've heard something along the lines of "Silva can't die as long as there's life." To what life exactly? I don't know. I also didn't hear this from a developer, so take it as you will.

[split mortar]

#lore-discussion message
afaik
its any life
A single bacteria cell would keep silva alive
Any life

[tidal tulip]

Oh that's fantastic

Thanks melon 🙏

[split mortar]

Men

[robust osprey]

every single living organism in earth

so if ur not draedon you can't kill silva

[sinful adder]

yeah, as long as any life exists, silva can't die. That's why she's immortal

[bold dragon]

So silva is basically immortal thanks to tardigrade

[thorn drift]

basically yeah

also the fact that yharon literally cannot die

[bold dragon]

Hmm isn't he died and just get revived again

So he can die temporarily

[thorn drift]

fair enough

[bold dragon]

Why is yharim so in love with bee

[thorn drift]

He just thinks they‘re neat

-# He married queen bee

[bold dragon]

Neater than a human?

[mighty zenith]

sir thats an animal

[bold dragon]

There's no rules against animal batman

[thorn drift]

there‘s no rules against the bees batman

[bold dragon]

Yharim father of the bees

[bold dragon]

So what's the lore about us the player

[split mortar]

You decide

[thorn drift]

up to you

[split mortar]

Theyre your oc with the only limit being
Sucks at naming things

[thorn drift]

you can be a saint, you can be a war criminal, you decide

[split mortar]

A drunk

[thorn drift]

You can literally be yharim two

[bold dragon]

Seishin the summoner he died 999 times against eye of cthulhu but through perserverance and the hyd..... I mean effort he keeps striving forward and finally proceed on writing his stories

[thorn drift]

Something something determination story of undertale

[bold dragon]

I decide to be a summoner

[thorn drift]

I deadass had a character wich was just raiden mgr

[plucky spruce]

You decide the lore for the terrarian
As long as it doesn't include respawning, re-fighting bosses, not caring about Yharim, having parents (or something like that according to Scal) and not being hated by every single animal in the planet apparently

[bold dragon]

Dw i'm not hated by my slaves

[plucky spruce]

💥 im sure you are

[thorn drift]

I think the dead relatives thing was more a nod to her own brothers and how she can try and bring them back, I don‘t actually think your parents matter

You can have caring and loving parents in lore and it wouldnt really be important

[bold dragon]

Oh so i shouldn't tried to revive his parents i know it was a waste of time from the start

[thorn drift]

I mean if you want to do that go ahead

[plucky spruce]

My terrarian is a frost moon enemy with the ability to respawn after death, gained through absorbing the soul of the dragon of something that made him a god, he kills everyone becuz why not and has no idea who Yharim is, also i guess his parents are on a trip or something and he lovs animals so they just give their materials with consent

[bold dragon]

What makes u think that

[plucky spruce]

The perfect terrarian

[bold dragon]

Seishin the summoner is a terrarian who hate to kill or harm anything so he left all the killing and harming to his slaves

[thorn drift]

seasonal moons are non canon

[bold dragon]

I didnt want to dirty my hand with blood of my enemy's what he would always says

[plucky spruce]

I know

The existence of my terrarian implies that in his lore however, christianism is real

[thorn drift]

wait a fucking sec

Miracle matter is not canon

You need ascendant spirit essence for it, wich is made with frost and pumpkin moon drops, wich arent canon, therefore you cannot craft it, and is therefore not canon

-# obvs it is, but its just an inconsistency

[bold dragon]

Well shouldn't u go get rid of the anomaly

[thorn drift]

nah

[mighty zenith]

santerrarian

[plucky spruce]

As soon as the terrarian craft the miracle matter he disappears in front of draedon for now being categorized as not-canon, and draedon is just left confused

[mighty zenith]

wouldnt they just be erased from existence and everyone's memories

[sinful adder]

Ascendant spirit essence will be obtained a different way later

It is canon but the way you get it isn't

[reef wigeon]

Its not supposed that every Terrarian you have is a different OC with a different story?

[sinful adder]

It is up to you. They can be the same if you want

There are some things implied, like that they're a human and they are bad at naming things according to draedon, but this isn't required

[clear girder]

Is there any lore behind the old duke except it being one of the oldest creatures in the world

[pliant ruin]

it's a dragon without an auric soul

[split mortar]

One of the direct descendants of a auric dragon
Is a tyranical evil shithead that abuses children and kills anything that gets close to rivalling it in its territory iirc
People attempted to hunt it and got mauled to death

[pliant ruin]

also kind of an evil asshole

[pastel bay]

This is reflected in his boss fight

[pulsar ocean]

primordial wyrm after he meets the primordial primordial wyrm 💀 💀 💀

[pastel bay]

Thought of something.

Xeroc was able to recreate all our foes with primordial light. Stronger than they were when we faced them.
And using the terminus brings his eye on us directly, I doubt he'd stop watching us after that, especially given success.

If he can just replicate whatever is thrown at him but magnitudes stronger does anyone really stand a chance

Also do we think he's blaring the boss rush music into our head during the event

[mighty zenith]

currently? no, nobody does

xeroc is way above everybody, the only one to even make him slightly doubt his strength was yharim

[pliant ruin]

yeah xerocs entire deal is that hes the strongest guy

[pulsar ocean]

why didnt provi drop auric soul fragments to craft auric bars

[mighty zenith]

im tired boss

[pulsar ocean]

no

[dusk laurel]

doesnt have an auric soul

[pulsar ocean]

but

she absorbed one

theres gotta be some auric crumbs left

[dusk laurel]

nope

she ate it

best we can give is unholy essence

[pulsar ocean]

😭

[pliant ruin]

Can we kill this guy

[sleek halo]

it is no longer

an auric soul

there is nothing left that represents auric

[pulsar ocean]

why did none of the pre ascended gods just make auric tesla sets for themselves and their buddies out of auric souls instead of gobbling them

[limpid saddle]

Because they thought semi-immortality & divine power was cooler than an end-game armor set

[pulsar ocean]

the guy who killed the gluttony dragon thought being a god of fat wouldve been cooler than a badass armor set and a searing pan out of auric bars

[limpid saddle]

Oh wait

[limpid saddle]

Kozz there was also the fact they couldnt use auric cause they werent attuned

If they tried to wear it it would grill them

So yeah i'd say divinity is better than being violently murdered by auric rejection

[pulsar ocean]

could you remind me what does being attuned means

[limpid saddle]

Attuned to an Auric Dragon's soul

[pulsar ocean]

what if they made tin armor and coated it in auric from the outside

[split mortar]

They would still get rejected

[pulsar ocean]

but the auric isnt even touching them

[pastel bay]

Think about what happens when you touch the ore

It's not touching you

It's touching your armor

[split mortar]

Auric doesnt care

Also most people wouldnt be able to mine the auric

[pulsar ocean]

why does uelibloom appear after providence dies

[pastel bay]

Progression.

[pulsar ocean]

so in lore its available at any time

[pliant ruin]

in lore it dosent exist bc its being removed

[pulsar ocean]

what

why

when

[split mortar]

Its providences god essence
-# going to be changed to profane ore to make more sense

[pliant ruin]

idk sometime

its being replaced to pro -yeah

not only does it not make sense narratively but also

plant based equipment set numero five hundred

[pulsar ocean]

i always skipped tarragon sets and only made the pickaxe

the armor is kinda lame

[pliant ruin]

srsly why do we have like 5

terra stuff, perennial stuff, tarragon stuff, silva stuff... iguess thats 4

[pastel bay]

Chlorophyte

[pliant ruin]

nvm yeah 5

[pastel bay]

Could argue the wood sets are plants

[pulsar ocean]

its obvious that plants are one of the more sturdier materials

[pastel bay]

Which brings it up to like. 12

And cactus

Which is plant

[cosmic zenith]

Perennial and Terra are getting merged I think

Tarragon kicks the bucket

Silva will come from Abyss or Crags, probably Crags, which allows it to get some banger aesthetics

[pliant ruin]

i thought silva was gonna be based of a similar aesthethic to braelors gear

was that changed or am i crazy

[sleek halo]

also

mind you

if a god tried to wear auric

imagine the HELL jt would be

to make a set of armor for

a disfigured bastard

[cloud ibex]

imagine trying to make armor for SG

[pulsar ocean]

isnt dog covered in armor

and hes massive

[sleek halo]

DoG is also

a lot easier to do so

for

and had

the best fucking engineer

jn the world

make it

with metal not of this world

i feel like DoG’s circumstance is a lot

more different

[pulsar ocean]

wait draedon made it?
i thought noxus gave the armorset to dog to make essence hunting safer

[sleek halo]

no

Draedon made the armor

So DoG could face the tougher gods

without potentially serious injury/death

probably moreso injury

Not many gods could outright kill an unarmored DoG

like

maybe the top 1%

just they wanted to make that number smaller

[pulsar ocean]

dog could beat provi and slime god right?
does he just not know of their existence to come for them

[sleek halo]

afaik Shakidou & Xeroc are effectively the only two confirmed gods who could confidently beat and kill an armored DoG

[sleek halo]

Slime God is

[cloud ibex]

imagine if DoG died at some point and then he just came back pretending like nothing happened

[sleek halo]

probably not worth the time

providence can teleport

making catching her

a lot trickier

[sleek halo]

[pliant ruin]

i think provi could beat unarmored dog maybe

[sleek halo]

I don’t think so

so many things r between them

[pliant ruin]

i think itd be a even fight

[sleek halo]

closer to one

but I think favorred towards DoG

[pliant ruin]

yeah thats fair

[sleek halo]

his armor only buffs his defense

[pulsar ocean]

god essence is god essence

idk

[sleek halo]

and gives him

1 more option for attack

the most devastating ram

ever

[pliant ruin]

maybe if she had the guardians

[sleek halo]

with those tipped mandibles

if DoG hit most things at full speed

with his armored mandibles

uhh

gg

[pulsar ocean]

i do not think provi is surviving that 700+ damage ram

[sleek halo]

probably not

she’s big enough

that it’d be able to fully

pierce her

i do not believe she’s durable enough to not be

punctured lol

that’s DoG out of character

DoG jn character would

probably somehow lose

not die

lose

by his posturing

and ego

[pliant ruin]

for the little rivalry they had going on with old lore they dont really have any ties at all in new lore so i think itd be cool if they were about even not accounting for dogs armor

even if dog had a bit of a advantage

[sleek halo]

he’d absolutely sustain a lot of unnecessary damage

the main thing is

[pulsar ocean]

dog would rather shoot his lasers than headbutt providence

[sleek halo]

DoG can just

show up

[pliant ruin]

i dont think dog is even keeping his lasers

[pulsar ocean]

does noxus pay dog

[pliant ruin]

yes he pays in 5 billion dollars per week

[pulsar ocean]

why is dog so loyal

[pulsar ocean]

5 billion noxus bucks a week

[sleek halo]

Imagine your boss could

fucking annihilate you

with minimum effort

[pulsar ocean]

he has teleports

[sleek halo]

you’d be real inline

[pulsar ocean]

just

get the fuck out

[sleek halo]

you think Noxus doesn’t have the same ability???

[pulsar ocean]

how would noxus track dog if he teleported to like another planet

[sleek halo]

Idek if DoG can

[pulsar ocean]

hes a cosmic worm

[sleek halo]

he’s a distortion worm

not a cosmic worm

he could absolutely die in space

[pliant ruin]

i doubt he would

[sleek halo]

there is 0 confirmation for him being capable of surviving it

extended periods of time

[pliant ruin]

i dont think he needs to breathe

[sleek halo]

not just breathing

but

also heat

coldness

[pulsar ocean]

dog is purple and that means he survives in space

duh

[sleek halo]

lack of literally anything hospitable

[pliant ruin]

i think dog could go to space

[sleek halo]

I don’t think DoG could live in space

Inthink he could stay there for a bit

idk bout just

chilling indefinitely

[pliant ruin]

i think he wouldnt because theres nothing there but i think he could if he wanted to personallyu

like why would he its empty theres nothng there

[sleek halo]

yeah

[pliant ruin]

thts just my take on it tho

[sleek halo]

still though

[pulsar ocean]

does dog need to eat

[sleek halo]

I think there’s a good reason for not betraying noxus

it’s not like Yharim

Yharim cannot do much if DoG does

What Noxus could do is

unknown

[pliant ruin]

dont think he does

[sleek halo]

but probably not good for DoG

[pliant ruin]

i mean there's no outright yes or no but personally i dont think dog has biological functions like that

[pulsar ocean]

did draedon make the mechs after dog joined yharim or before

[sleek halo]

no clue

[wheat walrus]

DoG has functions,,,

[sleek halo]

I don’t think

[pulsar ocean]

was destroyer modeled after dog

[sleek halo]

there’s any confirmation on the date

when DoG joined

[pliant ruin]

destroyer is reutilized mining equipment

[pulsar ocean]

is dog springlocked in his armor

like if he ever wanted to get out

could he

[pliant ruin]

yes

hes gonna literally fight you without his armor on initially in the rework

[sleek halo]

i have 0 clue how he actually puts it on though lmao

i imagine it splits open

at the bottom

and unclinks

imagine if braelor finds his armor in the distortion and just ruins it…

[gritty kraken]

DoG fight but the phase transition take a hour

[sleek halo]

that’d be mighty humorous

[pulsar ocean]

"noxus pls help me out i need to put on the armor"

how doesnt the armor look rusty or worn after so many years of usage

who's cleaning it

[sleek halo]

maybe cosmolite doesn’t

rust

it’s not from terraria so

also I don’t imagine he has

foguht many people who can actually

damage it

[cloud ibex]

on that note it'd probably be a bit of a pain in the ass to implement but imagine if you could see his armor slowly breaking over the course of the fight

[reef wigeon]

Can you check #general-media?

I sent Draedon's structure there.

[slender marten]

thy end is now

[limpid saddle]

I mean if we're being real Noxus could probably make another DoG

Maybe not one with all og DoG's personality & memories, although it would be really funny if he could just re-grow him as is & he starts huffing divine copium about his death

[pulsar ocean]

why didnt draedon make dog some robotic arma

arms

out of cosmolite

[mighty zenith]

arms cringe

snake cooler

[split mortar]

That requires dog to want arms and
I think theyd tear off the robo arms

[limpid saddle]

Logistically it would make him less aerodynamic & thus less good at his centre thing of ramming people very hard & fast

All for what, to like, hold a really big awkward sword?

It's just not effective

[pliant ruin]

the actual reason is that it would look silly and dog is too much of a egomaniac to dare make himself look silly

[sleek halo]

true

he somehow convinced draedon

to put

jewels and whatnot

on the armor..

[young socket]

dog thought he was too good for opposable thumbs

[dusk laurel]

so true

and it was its downfall

[reef wigeon]

DoG is no longer a cosmic snake, it's a dog for me

[pulsar ocean]

i dont get it how does yharon revive the auric dragons

[young socket]

he does

[pulsar ocean]

how

and where are they

and when does that happen

[young socket]

when they die

[pulsar ocean]

so after death an auric dragon immediatly comes back to life?

[young socket]

they get re birthed

theyre an egg

[pulsar ocean]

where are

the eggs

[young socket]

theyre put in the aerie

[pulsar ocean]

how do they get

to the aerie

[young socket]

by being put there

[pulsar ocean]

by

whom

[young socket]

by yharon

[pulsar ocean]

so all slain auric dragons are babies in the aerie?

[young socket]

idk

probably

[pulsar ocean]

even

zeratros

[pliant ruin]

no theyre all dead

their souls were consumed

they can revive without souls

[young socket]

o if they meant now then yea

they all fucking died

[limpid saddle]

No if an Auric Dragon died Yharon could guide their souls to the aerie to be re-incarnated

Moon Lord did something when killing dragons that prevented this process from occuring

[pastel bay]

As the script makes its way along the line I'll drop direct quotes in here on anything I'm not certain on.

Last thing I want to do is make a video where I say "this is all correct" and get something wrong

[split mortar]

Oki

fyi theres also a lore document in the pins if you didnt know, it has a LOT of all up to date lore

[pastel bay]

I'm using that as my basis it's been a huge help

[split mortar]

Nice

[small sphinx]

hi guys

[split mortar]

Hi

[mighty zenith]

helo

[dusk laurel]

death penalty

[pastel bay]

Well

[reef wigeon]

Do you know what Draedon's canonical color palette is?

[cloud ibex]

no

[fading siren]

Yellow

[reef wigeon]

And by the way @limpid saddle , why did the fact that I'm 14 surprise you?

[mighty zenith]

theyre all canon

[fading siren]

Huh

[mighty zenith]

because theyre all possible designs for his spare bodies

[fading siren]

True

[reef wigeon]

Even astral infection color palette?

[split mortar]

Yeah
Not like the colours are what infects things

[cloud ibex]

he could've painted them i guess

[reef wigeon]

Okay, so canonically Draedon has a spare body that has Rainbow Dash's color pallete?

The most random thing I've ever seen in fiction

[mighty zenith]

i mean i guess?

i moreso meant like
all the different designs

like the gray + gold jaw, full gray, etc.

[reef wigeon]

They should add a randomization system that changes Draedon's palette randomly after defeating him once

[limpid saddle]

why did you ping me about this

[pulsar ocean]

Ts

[reef wigeon]

Because I didn't want to be left with doubt

[limpid saddle]

It was suprising because you both just proclaimed your age, & because it just made so much sense

[rough plume]

Yk, I have a pretty interesting journal I've yet to do anything with, how would we feel if I translated calamity lore and sketches into it chat?

Rather would anybody actually be interested in seeing and potentially assisting in this (keeping lore consistent and accurate + providing things to sketch)

[reef wigeon]

Aaaaaaaaaah

I understand now, thanks.

[split mortar]

#lore-discussion message
Here is the lore doc
Has almost all canon info in the game
I doubt i can help long term with that rn so here is the doc

[pastel bay]

All hail the doc

[rough plume]

Oh yeah,, thank ya sir

[reef wigeon]

#general-media message
Could you see the Draedon structure I made?

[limpid saddle]

Chat if Calamitas Clone didnt go violently insane or managed to regain some mental stability after the fact, do you think her & Calamitas would have a positive relationship

like siblings-esque except not really because they're the same person but still kinda

[split mortar]

Uh
Maybe? I think it might be closer to friends

[pliant ruin]

i consider some of my friends basically siblings

[split mortar]

Fair

[reef wigeon]

In my opinion, of course, it's not for nothing that Calamitas freed her. It doesn't mean friendship directly, but it's a sign that she cares for her in some way.

By the way, if I were to make an interpretation of Calamitas Clone Design, I would make it less organic as it is an artificial clone of it (and also a very unstable one)

And I actually really liked your design, it's well expressed. I just think if I did it myself, I'd do it slightly differently.

[young socket]

scal and calclone are

[pliant ruin]

it's not an artifical clone

[young socket]

quite literally

[pliant ruin]

its just a person

[young socket]

twinning

[reef wigeon]

I didn't know

But in reality, anything artificial and not natural is considered artificial. If Draedon created her as a living clone, she would still be artificial.

[pliant ruin]

anything artificial and not natural is considered artificial.

the floor is made of floor

[limpid saddle]

Felix genetically she is literally a perfect clone

Exact 1:1 replica

& as far as im aware Brimstone Flames cant scorch your genetics

I've seen alot of people toy around with ideas of C.C being more monsterous, & I can respect that interpretation, but it's simply not one I agree with

[split mortar]

Afaik it can burn ya soul tho

Granted thats scal soecific iirc

Due to having flames that make the sun look cold

[limpid saddle]

I mean yeah that's probably the moon-lord power-creeped brimstone flames being wielded by an expert above an inherent property of the brimstone flames

Now im gonna go think about drawing Calamitas Clone & Supreme Calamitas in casual wear & then not do it until tommorow

[pliant ruin]

i liked throudons calclone design

you can tell its biologically the same person but still a visually distinct character design through different clothes n traits

[limpid saddle]

I dont think i've seen that one

Unless it's the one where she's in a big goat skull thing enveloped by corpses?

[dusk laurel]

no

throudon is a lore user not a former dev

[pliant ruin]

let me find it

found

[dusk laurel]

this is nice yeah

its clearly a clone of cal

[limpid saddle]

artstyle kinda reminds me of funger battle sprites

it's a cool design definetly

[dusk laurel]

what is funger battle

[limpid saddle]

No battle sprites from fear & hunger

As in like

sprites you would see when fighting

Anyway

While it is cool, I don't feel like it doesn't convey her disturbed state very well, she looks like a vagrant, which within itself is an interesting idea for the character, but it's not what we have & what i have respectively formed in my mind

[pliant ruin]

throudon's interpretation of her character didn't have her be particularly disturbed or insane

she was just kinda fighting for survival while everyone thought she was the real cal and lots of ppl hated her for it

she also had a big scrap mech

[limpid saddle]

Thats kinda what I assumed would be going down

Neat to see them get across those concepts & ideas so well in the design though

[stuck shore]

Is that official?

[young socket]

_ _

[stuck shore]

Also who is Dogma? (Triangle mentioned them alongside the God of War who are separate characters)

Still a cool Clone design take tho

[cosmic zenith]

DOGMA BALLS HAHAHAHHAHAHA

[wheat walrus]

Nomon's twin

[wheat walrus]

Stip 🥲

[cosmic zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/hazbin-hotel-niffty-hazbin-hotel-crazy-laugh-crazy-laughing-insane-laugh-gif-5700386072178127718

[split mortar]

Perm abuse

[stuck shore]

[stuck shore]

And who’s Nomon?

(Besides the twin part)

[wheat walrus]

nomon deez nuts

[stuck shore]

[wheat walrus]

back to back

[stuck shore]

So Nifty-ious

[hoary cape]

Bro fell for a Deez nuts joke twice basically

That's just hilarious

[pliant ruin]

do you mind???

[young socket]

i cant

i dont have one of those

[reef wigeon]

I wouldn't make it more monstrous, just more "artificial," so to speak. It's your opinion anyway. Opinions aren't easily changed.

[pliant ruin]

also yeah same

[reef wigeon]

And sorry for the late reply, I just don't have notifications turned on because they tend to be annoying when you're doing something else.

[pliant ruin]

i think its kinda unoriignal

and less interesting than the idea of someone whos bioloically the same as someone else but is still a different perosn due to walking a different path in life and having different experiences

like wow big monster 500

[reef wigeon]

Honestly, Draedon was supposed to just change her clothes or put some sign that he made her or something, that's why I say "more artificial"

[pliant ruin]

big undead monster 500 no less. we certainly dont have enough of those

looks at the like 10 undead bosses

[reef wigeon]

And I think the same, it's too boring that Calamitas Clone is just another monster, and I'm glad it's not like that

[wheat walrus]

you got "nomon deez nuts" twice at the same time

🔥

[reef wigeon]

What domain should a dragon have that has the same properties as miracle matter(and if so, would it be Draedon's Auric Dragon)?

[vivid ridge]

nah but have u seen the new character jack engoff

[hoary cape]

it hasn't been five years your ban is still in place

[stuck shore]

[spring helm]

who is jack engoff??? man where are all these characters coming from!!

[late veldt]

Slime God's the weakest god, right?

[robust osprey]

one of the weakest iirc

might not be the weakest

[spring helm]

the god of being weak

who consumed the auric soul of strength

[gaunt sluice]

Why she got a counter scarf

Awesome art tho, I like that idea

[late veldt]

So like, how old is Ilmeris anyways?

[spring helm]

I assume you mean the unified state

About 600 years ish? Same time Otonilou and Tyrian ascended, since that was like one of the first things they did

[ashen glade]

This is so cool! Could easily be used as a playable character

[wheat walrus]

Nop

[limpid saddle]

chat i want to talk about the lore implications of Raw, Unfiltered Calamity, because even if outdated, I think thry provide a very interesting lens into Calamitas' & Calamitas Clones characters

You see it's a very serious theme, yet it's so uplifting, so triumphant & bright, & I myself have interpreted that as Calamitas Clone being able to cut loose, to release all that pain & anger in a searing flame & to have some temporary form of contentment, & given who Calamitas Clone is (A clone of Calamitas who has only ever known her trauma enough so it drove her insane alongside the bestowal of the Brimstone Flames), I think we can percieve Raw, Unfiltered Calamity as almost a theme for Calamitas during the Crusades, it's letting out her anger, not caring for the consequences not knowing the burden it will lead her to bear, & that's why it's so bright & as said, triumphant

Does this make sense to anyone else or am I criminally insane

[robust osprey]

will read all that when class over

[robust osprey]

I can see it

actually

would explain crabulon leitmotif as crab is an ilmerian species and well, sunken sea incident happened

and hive mind leitmotif I guess?

[dusk laurel]

thats a stretch

imo

crabulon i get but yeah

[clear girder]

was the ravager the god of death but reincarnated as the god of sacrifices?

[limpid saddle]

No Ravager was the God Of Sacrifices that died & got revived as Ravager

[limpid saddle]

vanillin do you have any thoughts on my Raw, Unfiltered Calamity analysis

[dusk laurel]

it makes sense

[robust osprey]

dragon was death

god is sacrifices

[limpid saddle]

I just cant tell if it was an incredibly obvious thing or if im even a lil' smart for thinking of it

[dusk laurel]

im not gonna have any opinions of rac until calclone gets more lore

[eager bluff]

raw anfiltered calamity

[dusk laurel]

so true

[limpid saddle]

I mean it's even the title, 'Raw, Unfiltered Calamity'

[robust osprey]

you're getting lore that not even the composer thought

so calamitous

[dusk laurel]

i basically just think of it like what reb said the other day

its not actually a theme for calclone

its a theme about beating up the brimstone witch

(no one knows this is a clone)

[limpid saddle]

Then why is the boss name Calamitas Clone, cause thr boss names & references to them seem to imply that those names are what the terrarian gave them or knows them by

[dusk laurel]

thats being changed

[limpid saddle]

to what

[robust osprey]

yeah it feel final boss-ish

[dusk laurel]

ask reb

[robust osprey]

the theme I mean

[limpid saddle]

I like the interpretation I developed but I feel like both can work

[real silo]

Raw unfiltered calamitas

💧 ✍️

[dusk laurel]

[mighty zenith]

i assume they'll bring back the old mechanic from the fight at least partially

when the boss was called Calamitas

except it'll change to Calamitas Clone after the fight probably

[pastel bay]

Hive mind is a struggle between the decaying brain tissue barely clinging on and the glory it once was. The electronic notes for the mind, the... wind instruments? I think that's what's used, for the past

[shrewd stream]

Hello there

What is todays topic?

[pastel bay]

Music and the meaning behind the leitmotifs I believe

[robust osprey]

we are discussing how RUC is actually the theme of crusade Scal

or something like that

[hoary cape]

She left the server though lol

For a bit

[dusk laurel]

i know

thats why i said that

[hoary cape]

Oh

[stuck shore]

Was there a Auric God the Lihzahrds worshipped?

[split mortar]

Almost certainly
Though it abandoned them and they made golem to be their idol to replace said missing god
-# also all gods are ones that absorbed auric souls

[clear girder]

Who really is braelor?

[oblique wagon]

the guide is the mother and son at the same time of scal

[split mortar]

Champion of silva
Boyfriend of statis
Nearly killed yharim like a year ago with the help of statis but DoG intervened and sent them to the dustortion
They still reside in the distortion rn

[sleek halo]

they as in

Braelor does

Statis got out

with a deal from Signus

[stuck shore]

Both did get there at the same time generally

[sleek halo]

the exact same time

or near it

like within seconds lmao

at most

seconds

[clear girder]

is it known what Statis gave or did in return to Signus?

[split mortar]

Arm and leg

And some freedom i think?

[clear girder]

is Braelor a god?

Or just some powerful nature guy

[cloud ibex]

no he's just a dude

[split mortar]

Blessed by silva but just a guy

[cloud ibex]

he is blessed by a god (SIlva) though

[sleek halo]

also

ridiculously strong lol

he was physically stronger than Yharim when they fought iirc

Whether that’s true anymore is

not known

since mr yharim has been training

[clear girder]

Is there any intresting lore about the aquatic scourge except big long sea worm

[pulsar ocean]

so signus made statis a cripple

[sleek halo]

not

particularly

distant relative

ofnthe desert scourge

and also just

strong

[hollow isle]

*snake

most of the "worm bosses" are actually snakes

except like

primordial wyrm

hes a wyrm

with a y

[sleek halo]

idk if

he’s a snake

DoG is called a “serpent” but he’s no snake lmao

[hollow isle]

dog is absolutely a giant snake

[sleek halo]

DoG is

a. silly fella

but

[hollow isle]

he's a space snake tbf

[sleek halo]

not from spce…

[hollow isle]

alternate dimensipn

space

same thing

same difference

[sleek halo]

He’s called the Nameless Serpent

because he’s serpentine

as in

he’s long

[hollow isle]

as in

hes a snae

[sleek halo]

lacks appendages

Idk what

evil ass looking snakes

u have

where u live

but I don’t wanna go there

[split mortar]

Statis did get shadow limb prosthetics stuff
So
Technically but i doubt they are defensless

[hollow isle]

he has a bigger mouth than real snakes

because he is bigger

than real snakes

[sleek halo]

His mouth

opens fucking side ways

[hollow isle]

worms dont even have mouths

[sleek halo]

he has two giant ass mandibles

he isn’t

anything

[hollow isle]

is he a centipede then

[sleek halo]

he’s serpentine in body

[hollow isle]

those have mandibles

[sleek halo]

but not a snake

[sleek halo]

no legs

[hollow isle]

oh true

[sleek halo]

he’s just a long fella

[pulsar ocean]

where is his big tongue if hes a snake

[hollow isle]

he keeps it in his mouth? idk bro

overall its a useless argument to have cause hes just like

an alien

a long alien

[sleek halo]

idk… aliens have

or would

have a cohesive body

he’s real fucked up

like… unfathomably cooked

[pulsar ocean]

why did statis leave his cutie patootie bf alone in the distortion to die

[mighty zenith]

cause signus is a bitchass motherfucker

[cloud ibex]

presumably signus being a faustian rat bastard

i can definitely imagine signus saying that since only statis paid a price to be let out, only statis was allowed to escape

[split mortar]

We dunno
Some theorise statis thought braelor would get yoinked and signus faustian ratted their way out of helping braelor while still getting the double payment

[pulsar ocean]

why does statis need limbs of some random dude

signus

mb

[split mortar]

We dunno

[mighty zenith]

a fine addition to his collection

[pastel bay]

I dunno but apparently his cloak is lined with teeth on the inside.

assuming that hasn't changed

[untold oracle]

They collect stuff

[vivid ridge]

whats the deal with the calclone brothers phase

are they constructed with magic or did the brothers get cloned too

[split mortar]

Constructs of necromancy made to resemble the brothers

[limpid saddle]

It's in the name, 'Constructs', they are corpses meant to be formed into the shape of Cataclysm & Catastrophe & animated by CalClone's magic

[split mortar]

Though theyre just puppets of calclone and have no autonomy iirc

[pastel bay]

It's, not exactly clear if the real brothers have any either I don't think.
Scal talks about how shes revived them so many times she doubts they're anything more than husks,

[split mortar]

The brothers do, bestiary states that what little if their old mind is left is just
Protect sister

So they do that automatically

iirc

[pastel bay]

Awe that's kinda sweet in a fucked up way

[pulsar ocean]

is jared considered sea food or exotic knowing hes a dragon

[abstract gyro]

ok so is DoG just able to fly at will because he's haha alien

Or is he not actually flying in lore

[pulsar ocean]

i think in lore

hes making portals

tiny portals

to fly

constantly making portals

[abstract gyro]

That doesn't make sense to me until it's explained to me better

[manic coral]

he can fly because he simply can

he's just built like that

[abstract gyro]

Cool ty

[manic coral]

don't question it too much he's a collosal serpent from another dimension

[abstract gyro]

That's fair just thought I'd ask lol

[glacial rampart]

sometimes i think about the logic for flying serpents like that

how they really work

but then i just end up thinking

man who cares

[frozen zodiac]

i mean arent there 2 different gravity debuffs when you fight dog

gravity must be wack all around him or something because of where he's from

[abstract gyro]

Yes but there's storm weaver that doesn't have them yet is of the same species

[frozen zodiac]

maybe it just isnt strong enough yet

[glacial rampart]

this is what im saying yall

it just dont matter

its cool

[abstract gyro]

I mean it flies too

So yeha

[frozen zodiac]

or dog's armor from draedon allows him to do that

[abstract gyro]

Btw I always get it wrong

is dog's 1st phase armored and 2nd unarmored or is it the other way around

[glacial rampart]

other way around

he flies through the like

minecraft dispenser station

and gets his armor

its a lot clearer in the resprite

[abstract gyro]

I always thought he's like armored at first but then we strip him of the armor

Idk why

[quiet idol]

So if I recall Draedon made the armor too?
Going by the planetoid lab log

Speaking of the armor

[abstract gyro]

he gets faster and more mobile in 2nd phase which is usually not something attributed to armored targets IRL

[abstract gyro]

Pretty sure it's correct

[quiet idol]

Yeah think so
Because it mentions also Draedon discovering stuff he maybe shouldn't of

Lemme double check

[gritty kraken]

same specie

[abstract gyro]

what

[quiet idol]

Doubling checking
Seems yeah Draedon made the armor

[gritty kraken]

idk I just walked in and saw what I think is uh
Someone thinking DoG and storm weaver are from the same specie but idk

[quiet idol]

I don't think so?
Not anymore at least

I swore old lore that was the case
Might be mis remembering stuff tho

[abstract gyro]

I might double check actual lore then

Brb

[gritty kraken]

let talk about how stormwaver Exo skeleton are tougher than DoG armor (unless it’s just gameplay thing)

[quiet idol]

Ngl I like the lab logs
Cool little reads

Glad the wiki has them because because my god they are hard to read in game

[abstract gyro]

Well Yharim believes so, and it's not like we have any other source of information rn

[gritty kraken]

Draedon

[abstract gyro]

I swear to God, was this covered in draetalk?

[gritty kraken]

Yeah

[quiet idol]

Idk

[gritty kraken]

Draedon just goes “yharim is no zoologist both worm are completely different” or something

In DoG section

[quiet idol]

Also lemme see if these are right
PBG is a modified Queen Bee which to carry the Plague that Draedon made
And
Brimstone Crags and radiation dumping is what made the Sulfur Sea

I think that's right

[gritty kraken]

yeah

[quiet idol]

One thing I'm confused on
Is there multiple PBGs or just one

[gritty kraken]

one

Other queen bee become normal Plaguebringer

[abstract gyro]

Found it ty, I'm reluctant to spoiling myself draetalk much as I just killed Yharon in my playthrough so I'm near unlocking it in the game

[gritty kraken]

I think

[quiet idol]

Draedon silly man that eats bees to live /j

[abstract gyro]

I believe Azafure was dumping some waste in there from below as well prior to even draedon? Not sure it's mentioned

[quiet idol]

That's why Yharim and Draedon got a divorce because Draedon has a crippling bee eating addiction

[gritty kraken]

the factories fumes

[abstract gyro]

yeah that. Gotta expand my vocab.

[glacial rampart]

its the

g-g-g-g-gg-g-g-

gas

gas

you have ten minutes you have five minutes gas

gyas

[gritty kraken]

glass

[reef wigeon]

Gyas? Giygas-

[vocal kestrel]

How does the smoke in the azafurian industrial area build so much pressure it’s able to crack through thousands of feet of oceanic bedrock, and maintain enough pressure to overpower thousands of pascals of trench water

[hoary cape]

Magical smoke

[vocal kestrel]

And if azafure is a subterranean cavity under the abyss how is there volcanic activity in the abyss, does it go around?

[hoary cape]

Also it's been going for a long time

So it probably just got through over time

[vocal kestrel]

If unpressured emissions are able to permeate up through oceanic crust then that rock would inversely permeate the more pressurized sea water downward to fill the cavity at a thousand times the rate; the underworld would become a flooded , sweltering steam room

[hoary cape]

It doesn't follow regular physics I guess

[humble fog]

no but water is deleted in underworld clearly

[late veldt]

hey if water is deleted in the underworld how did they drink water in Azafure

did they have plumbing did they take baths

[sinful adder]

well, it isn't deleted in your inventory and it gets deleted gradually, so they probably kept it in sealed containers

[paper oyster]

quick question cuz I'm explaining the lore of the mod to some friends to convince them to play with me:

Who in the world is Braelor? I was reading through Providence's item and Yharim mentions that only Braelor, him and Calamitas are able to put up a fight agaisnt Providence but I've not seen any other mention of Braelor besides that

I might just be dumb tho

[limpid saddle]

Thats fair, i'm pretty sure thats the only in-game mention of him

[paper oyster]

darn

[limpid saddle]

But right now he is a Paladin of Silva, (blessed by her, to be percise), gay lover of Statis (Onyx Kinsmen, last follower of Slime God [before you murder him]) & he is currently trapped in the Distortion

[mighty zenith]

(fyi you dont kill statis)

[limpid saddle]

Statis got out by making a literal deal for an arm & a leg with Signus

[limpid saddle]

[I meant slime god]

[mighty zenith]

ik just to clear up confusion

[limpid saddle]

[that's fair]

This will all be seen in-game when the Distortion update finally comes out

In 3 billion fargo years

[paper oyster]

real

[limpid saddle]

Well I mean as in the characters you'll get to learn about & interact with them naturalistically

[paper oyster]

Where was this said btw

[limpid saddle]

Them getting sealed in the Distortion happened like a year ago

[limpid saddle]

Dev statements here & there

[paper oyster]

interesting

[limpid saddle]

You catch a lot of interesting stuff if you stick around

[paper oyster]

darn and what was before that

he was just

around?

[limpid saddle]

Like apparently Permafrost hates ice-cream, but loves weird pizza

[limpid saddle]

I mean yeah he was hunting down & co-ordinating a Yharim assassination attempt with Statis

As shown in the only lore item that mentions him

#lore-discussion message heres a source if you need it

I get getting told all this by some random internet guy likely isnt all that convincing

[split mortar]

[limpid saddle]

morning melon

[split mortar]

Morning

[pliant ruin]

braelor is mentioned by draedon too

[paper oyster]

Whats y’all favorite quote from the lore items you get from the bosses

[split mortar]

Idk
But traitor almighty is pretty high up

[mighty zenith]

"I need not contain such essences when they can be simply devoured" is honestly great foreshadowing

man i forgot how cool the wording is for these
"my soldiers with their loyalty forged anew in iron"

[olive schooner]

dwvourwer od gosda calmotu mod?

[robust osprey]

that's interesting

[reef wigeon]

Hello

[reef wigeon]

I see the point, I mean, who wants to eat ice cream after being traumatized by being inside an ice cube?

[split mortar]

Permafrost is also like
Always cold

I imagine cold foods dont seem too great

[robust osprey]

the pizza part is interesting

[split mortar]

Grape and bread pizza topings are def permafrost fav

[lyric turtle]

Can someone explain me the difference between old lore and new lore ?

[robust osprey]

old lore is funky and not very coherent

and uh, goozma existed

draedon was an alien

[pastel bay]

The ammount of times old lore used to change as well

There's still a lot of confusion between the current and old lore from what I've seen, though it seems to be mostly the things you wouldn't know without talking to draedon

[lyric turtle]

Okay

[robust osprey]

gay couple was dead in old lore

:c

so sad

[pastel bay]

Any specifics about differences you want to know?

[lyric turtle]

I just wanted to know if there were any major differences

[mighty zenith]

yeah there are quite a few differences

the main differences would definitely be the overall plot (yharim's plan to rule the world vs. yharim's crusade against gods) and the characters themselves

[robust osprey]

did yharim even have any motivations to rule the world

or just beacuse

[cloud ibex]

If he did the devs never really got a chance to explain before the rewrite happened

[pliant ruin]

Too many to list
Theyre entirely different stories

[lyric turtle]

oh ok

[sleek halo]

Yeah

like

same names for most characters

and that

is about it!

[real silo]

Draedon changed the least of all characters

[hushed geyser]

The player:

[real silo]

You're the player

[limpid saddle]

The player could've changed alot in the 2 years since everything was retconned

[hushed geyser]

Not if I say they haven't

[shrewd stream]

I remember old lore yharim being like pure evil

Like stealing a candy from a baby, rolling it in the dirt, placing it in the mouth of the baby and then uppercutting the baby, type of evil

[robust osprey]

today's yharim is agaisnt slavery 👍

#SayNoToSlavery

[mighty zenith]

this is like taking candy from a baby, which is fine by me

[young socket]

ok shadow the hedgehog

[eager bluff]

how do you like that obama

[vocal kestrel]

My favorite bit of old lore Yharim was when he slammed his fist on a table so hard it was heard by permafrost in the tundra from the jungle if I remember correctly

[mighty zenith]

it also killed everyone in the room

[sleek halo]

and I think

the table lived???

[mighty zenith]

multiversal+ table

[sleek halo]

idek who was

i the room

[cloud ibex]

i wonder if he could accomplish that now considering he's strong enough to atomize someone in one punch

[sleek halo]

It depends

how strong the wind pressure

from his punch is

[reef wigeon]

Why doesn't fabsol accept Xeroc or Noxus addons for calamity?

Or am I mistaken?

[pliant ruin]

Whar

Do you mean wotg??? That wasnt even fabsol, it was the lore team
And they asked it to be changed because it was misleading

[reef wigeon]

Although I don't blame her, karma only showed Noxus as a fanmade boss and never said it was official.

Was Lucille Karma part of the Calamity team?

Well, it's obvious, Eternity exists. I had forgotten that

[limpid saddle]

Well it's because they're old lore interpretations of the characters & everybody kept acting like it was canon even though it wasnt

[pliant ruin]

Lucille has moved on from it and is not upset about it
If the creatir of wotg dosent care you shouldnt either

[split mortar]

Thats cause its a scrapped version of noxus and due to not being a dev anymore
It was essentially fanmade
-# also nameless deity was never xeroc

[robust osprey]

it was an interpretation of old lore xeroc

keyword was

[split mortar]

Some stuff was still different iirc

It was based on but not fully old lore xeroc afaik

[robust osprey]

yeah true

[reef wigeon]

An interpretation with a very different story. As far as I remember, the Xeroc of Old Lore was an omnipotent god. In this case, that's the only thing that, in my opinion, is similar.

[split mortar]

Nowadays theyre basically incomparable nowadays

[eager bluff]

originally it was flat out just xeroc

if you've ever seen the teeth design you know what i mean

[reef wigeon]

Yes, I've seen it, and I would have liked a fight against Xeroc, honestly.

Calamity Devs are definitely more like normal people than, you know, devs.

[limpid saddle]

Like specifically against that Xeroc design or just in general?

[reef wigeon]

A fight directly with Xeroc

[limpid saddle]

yeah they're gonna do that

[eager bluff]

...well yeah all devs everywhere are people

[limpid saddle]

If the mod team isnt dead by the time yharim comes out

(As in exhausted from literal years of working on this mod)

[reef wigeon]

Even if it weren't canonically correct, I would still love a battle against him.

[limpid saddle]

yeah they're

they're gonna do that

they're gonna make a Xeroc superboss

[reef wigeon]

I said "normal people", I usually see developers as less social or less friendly people online.

[thick slate]

what

[reef wigeon]

Instead, fabsol is literally your typical Discord friend.

[thick slate]

most game devs dont have time for discord

since its literally their full time job

[reef wigeon]

Yes, I know, a "strange" point of view

[reef wigeon]

Yes, I know that, but that's why it seems strange to me to see developers with that time

[thick slate]

cause this isnt their full time job

also many of them came from the community

[reef wigeon]

Yes, I actually misunderstood myself.

[thick slate]

so they like interacting with the community

[robust osprey]

probably

it isn't guaranteed

but they have plans to do so

[reef wigeon]

Were Yharim's armor and weapon created by Draedon?

[clear girder]

im quessing he had some kind of armor before Draedon joined his campaing but i think yes

[plucky lichen]

He has auric armor modified by draedon a year prior to when the actual game takes place

[robust osprey]

if draedon touches auric he explodes

and yharim has auric armor

soo

[plucky lichen]

I don’t quite know how he managed to do it but I believe it was mentioned his armor has exo technology

Unless I just somehow made that up in a dream or something

Which is not uncommon

[cloud ibex]

iirc Yharim's armor existed before he had it

[reef wigeon]

Yes, that's what he said.

[clear girder]

Wait so Draedon left Yharim just lately?

only a year?

[plucky lichen]

No he came back like a sad idiot and asked nicely

[clear girder]

ah

[cloud ibex]

and i think it's been mentioned that at first the armor was kind of a hindrance for him cause it didn't really fit

[quiet palm]

me personally i think king slime is king of calamtiy

[cloud ibex]

draedon never really left, yharim stopped working with him for a while and then came back like a sopping wet dog asking for an armor upgrade after braelor and statis nearly got him

but i do think it was pretty recent yeah

[reef wigeon]

The armor should currently look similar to the Exo Auric panels.

[clear girder]

did Yharim have a base for his army

[split mortar]

Not traditionally atleast
Yharims people were more like the mongols irl iirc

[clear girder]

What does Signus even do with Statis's leg when they made the deal if he isn't going to use it himself?

[robust osprey]

nomnom probably

[split mortar]

We dont know yet what signus uses the limbs for
-# statis also lost an arm in the deal

[eager bluff]

nomon

[pastel bay]

It was within a year of the assassination attempt that we show up in the heartlands. So very, very recent.

I vaguely remember it being 4 months or something? I could be totally wrong though

[reef wigeon]

Statis and braelor are alive or not?

[limpid saddle]

They are both very alive

Statis is wandering around being depressed

Braelor is bear grills-ing it out in the distortion

[clear girder]

why wont he just make a deal with Signus too?

[robust osprey]

okay but (probably) signus has arms

that are hidden on its cloak

we can see it has no legs

[reef wigeon]

Ah, thanks for letting me know. I was drawing a fanmade Dragon created by Draedon using the Gods data and Exotech, and I'll be using it in the mod I might create.

[limpid saddle]

Probably because Signus went to Statis, not the other way around

[clear girder]

ah

[limpid saddle]

& you cant just like, summon him

[robust osprey]

statis probably thought signus would get both of them out

but signus is a bitch

[limpid saddle]

He probably thinks it's really funny to watch them be sad

[robust osprey]

and got only 1 of them

[clear girder]

maybe when the distortion comes out you can rescue Braelor and he will become a town Npc

[reef wigeon]

Do all living beings have essence and revive or not?

[limpid saddle]

Nobody revives unless you are an Auric Dragon & Yharon is around

[limpid saddle]

& yeah Statis & Braelor are gonna be wandering NPCS

Statis is gonna have a whole quest-line that ends in the Signus fight

[clear girder]

DoG mentions that he will feast on your essence

so probably yes

[robust osprey]

and no one absorbs ur soul

[limpid saddle]

Well that one is obvious

Any other questions?

[robust osprey]

well maybe one can think if god dies dragon can come back

[limpid saddle]

My sisters harassing me to get ice cream

[reef wigeon]

Enemies sometimes drop an essence in a respective biome and souls, so I think the essence thing is canon (unless the items they drop aren't)

[clear girder]

I wonder how pre-ascension Xeroc found out that if you eat the soul of a dragon you become a god

[limpid saddle]

essence is canon yes

[limpid saddle]

Some speculate the ritual existed before anyone had actually ascended

Cause I mean someone had to invent the theory of Ascension before it happened in practice right?

[robust osprey]

fuel to zeratros consented xeroc to absorb his soul theory, maybe zeratros teached xeroc how to

[reef wigeon]

Yes, it's like saying that the theory of relativity has to be "tested" in a practical way before we know how it works.

[limpid saddle]

bingo, thats the thought process

[reef wigeon]

If it's a theory, it's for a reason.

[clear girder]

wait if Zeratros would have just died because of his injuries couldn't Yharon revive him?

why is it told so dramatically in the lore items when he could just be revived

[reef wigeon]

Because- YHAPAGANDA

[limpid saddle]

Because Yharim specifically says Moon Lord did something, or injured his soul so bad, he couldnt revive

Which is probably just actually true given like 1000 dragons died in the moon lord conflict (rough estimate not actual numbers)

[reef wigeon]

There are so many domains that this number would be insignificant, assuming there is one dragon for each Domain or concept.

[pastel bay]

What I think is that Zeratros instructed Xeroc what to do because he knew there needed to be a protector, someone in power to oppose anything that strong again

[limpid saddle]

We dont need to doubt his every word just because he's an asshole, Felix

[clear girder]

If the theory of Zeratros wanting Xeroc to eat his soul is true, why would he want Xeroc to become a god and also give everyone else inspiration to kill litreally every single of his kind

[limpid saddle]

Dude there were only 3000 auric dragons

[reef wigeon]

I know, it was a joke.

[pastel bay]

Not all gods were malicious