lore-discussion

[cosmic zenith]

The implication being that Draedon took over the planet, basically

[spare pier]

As much as

A massive junkyard

[cosmic zenith]

Good description

[gritty kraken]

This will be the blue sky Robots movie in 2026

[late veldt]

they set up robot communism and robot animal farm happened

[gritty kraken]

I like the part where they turn homeless peoples into metal bars

[late veldt]

woah it's just like Portal

[pastel bay]

Draedon hasn't changed much I don't think
Just how he's introduced to Yharim has shifted

[sinful adder]

He's also not an alien now

[pastel bay]

He's from off earth isn't he or is he from here now

[robust osprey]

no he's a machine created by god knows who

in some thundra afaik

and never reached space

[late veldt]

He does, however, dream to, but long distance communication, travel, and the astral infection are kinda getting in the way

Idk why he doesn't mention Pylons as an option :cluebed:

-# other than I think that dialogue might predate pylons

[languid badge]

its from the draedon logs right

iirc those were at least somewhat rewritten with the lore rewrite

[late veldt]

I'm reffering to the Codebreaker Communication

[languid badge]

wasnt that litterally added only like less than a year ago

[late veldt]

I doubt that

[spare pier]

It was

Pylons exist but you need to have a bunch of people set there beforehand

He and his machines need to get wherever he wants first

[covert blaze]

Pylons my beloved

[sinful adder]

Hmm. The shell phone can teleport you places that you haven't necessarily been

Idea: do pylons work via biome attunement?

[covert blaze]

Very possible

[sinful adder]

Similar to the biome blade

[covert blaze]

More than likely true

[sinful adder]

Is it possible to attune to something remotely? An attunement can be retained remotely, but it has to be activated remotely

[covert blaze]

Are you able to place pylons in biomes that they don’t represent? Or is it only for their respective biomes (I never tried)

[sinful adder]

You can place them but they don't work

Ok, idea:
Giant cannon that launches an unattuned pylon crystal at other planets at extreme speeds, which somehow automatically attunes to the planet it hits

[covert blaze]

So interstellar travel is possible?

[spare pier]

I mean, yeah that'd work maybe but then

You need people around there too

So

[covert blaze]

Launch the guide to mars

Actually no he’s useful

Get the angler there

[sinful adder]

Include 3 impact resistant semi sentient robots to the crystal which also serve to set up a base around the pylon

[pulsar ocean]

are pylons stable portals
does that mean we're as strong as noxus if we can place a stable portal

[sinful adder]

No, they're different

Portals to the distortion have to travel a very long ways, I assume

Pylons are a relatively short range thing, same with the magic mirror

[gaunt sluice]

calamitas under yharim realizing she can just burn her bed and drink the weird star shaped blue gatorade and warp far away and just leave

[reef wigeon]

I know what it looks like...

I think it's simply because we are made to work together.

[reef wigeon]

I always had the theory that the scientist who created it was Draedon himself, but that he lost consciousness when he transferred his consciousness to the machine. That would also explain why he had mechanical parts in his body.

[mighty zenith]

yeah thats the main theory currently

i headcanon that he was also the rewritten version of daedalus and draedon's name partially comes from that

[reef wigeon]

And assuming he died recently before he woke up, then it would make sense.

If not, then we don't know.

[reef wigeon]

Who was Daedalus?

[dusk laurel]

old lore character

[cloud ibex]

guy who blew up his city so draedon wouldn't get his hands on his inventions

[reef wigeon]

Well, speaking of DoG vs Draedon, if we count Draedon's forge, which according to him you can craft whatever you can imagine with it and it's also a nanoforge, well... That speaks for itself.

And yes, I know it's probably hyperbole, but let's be honest that Draedon doesn't always lie.

[foggy fern]

Daedalus was like the single most pointless character

[prime mauve]

The humble crags pylon:

[olive schooner]

why does killing hive mind disenchant aerolite?

[spring helm]

It re-enchants it actually, disenchanted Aerialite is the yellow form

As for why

Idk

[fair vortex]

Aerialite is weird its just this thing that exists

No idea why its tied to hive mind or perfs in any way

[cosmic zenith]

(False, it is just not known much about currently)

[mighty zenith]

so yeah

[robust osprey]

aerialite is an ore related to chrysadia probably

[mighty zenith]

currently it just exists

[robust osprey]

I headcanon one of the many gods that are now evil biome disenchanted the aerialite and with evil2 dead it lost power

and it's enchanted again

[pastel bay]

Could be that they tried siphoning the power from it for themselves and all that

[prime mauve]

maybe you just finally got 30 levels and 3 lapis

[pastel bay]

Thats why it turns blue it's the lapis

[green bay]

Or maybe the stink from the peforators travelled up to ghe sky islanda in the form of sulfur, and it oxidizes the aerialite turning it blue

Like it went from copper to copper sulphate

[cosmic zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/writing-too-fire-fire-writing-writing-fire-friendcord-gif-7801118907023267493

[gritty kraken]

Young calamitas trying to do the flower blooming spells

[pulsar ocean]

Could prime fovos beat bulma

[wheat walrus]

bulma negs

🔥

[robust osprey]

bulma with tech no diffs fovos probably

[tepid timber]

Bulma goes back in time and kills baby fovos (it doesn’t change the present)

[robust osprey]

to get auric dragons off the menu?

[analog robin]

To keep you from getting the Bundle of Balloons too early, sweetie 🩷

[dusk laurel]

💥

[clear girder]

If Yharim really doesn't want to really live anymore and is depressed, why is he waiting for the terrarian to take his life when he can... u know take his own life.

[analog robin]

Old lore items: look at this boss man it fucking sucks what a loser
New lore items: ohhhh yeah I remember this guy he came about from the vengeful ghosts of all the orphans I killed damn I really wish I committed fewer war crimes

[mighty zenith]

true

[mighty zenith]

he wants a successor

[split mortar]

^

[fading siren]

We already are his successor basically

We killed gods and the guy who eats gods

[manic coral]

inaccurate :/
he doesn't wish he commited less war crimes, he's chill with those. he's sad that Glorpis McFlorpis got mad about it and decided to stop working with him

[analog robin]

True

[split mortar]

God eater worked for yharm tbf

[clear girder]

did the devourer ever leave Yharims army?

[split mortar]

Dont think so

[clear girder]

I'm pretty sure he started to work more on his own goals

[manic coral]

techncially not

effectively yes

[mighty zenith]

didnt give his two weeks notice smh

[sleek halo]

I don’t even know if he’d be

considered part ofnit

he feels more like hiring a mercenary

[untold oracle]

The only thing he’s sad about is that he couldn’t finish the crusade properly

[untold oracle]

I think DoG never officially left the crusade, the whole war just kinda died out
And yeah I don’t think he ever officially joined asw, he was there just to get rid of dead gods

[sleek halo]

or killing living ones

[untold oracle]

Yeah that too

It’s been about 8000 years since I last talked here lol

[hoary berry]

my calmain activity has plummeted recently

[untold oracle]

The rprot consumes

[hoary berry]

that's part of it yeah

[manic coral]

i'll never get people who seem offended for people using their works as a basis for stuff like rp or fanfics

to me that's like. the ultimate compliment, that what i make is good enough for people to care to do that.

[dusk laurel]

plumg

[manic coral]

anyways i am permafrost writing more

Ah, I still remember the first time I witnessed the night sky. Even as a young boy, before I ever began to develop any interest in magic, the sight of the stars entranced me! I had heard much about them from some friends and family, but words do the sight little justice, no?

[snow mountain]

oblivion dialogue

[wheat walrus]

Glorpis McFlorpis must be Calamitas' rival in magics

[pulsar ocean]

yharim kills gods and we're killing randoms and animals at the brink of extinction

[dusk laurel]

we dont really hunt anything to extinction

unless you want to

[snow mountain]

landlord

tennant rights

[dusk laurel]

just dont build homes

[pulsar ocean]

we killed the last auric dragon

crabulon was the last

[split mortar]

Except desert scourge but like
That attacks more likely

[dusk laurel]

no

[pulsar ocean]

anahita

[dusk laurel]

he will come back

[pulsar ocean]

died

[split mortar]

Crab is already dead

[dusk laurel]

anahita is immortal

[pulsar ocean]

what

[split mortar]

Elementals dont die
She will come back

[pulsar ocean]

what the fuck does that mean my killcount is fewer

[analog robin]

What about the leviathan then

[split mortar]

Just like
Stab a slime and it will go back up

[split mortar]

may be a creation of anahita and not a species

But yeah that likely does die

[pulsar ocean]

if we were yharim's succesor why would we kill the guy that eats gods basically doing yharim's job

[dusk laurel]

we arent

unless you want to

[pulsar ocean]

sadly cant skip dog

[dusk laurel]

yharim explicitly states that he wants us to be his successor, but you choose the lore of the terrarian

[robust osprey]

you need to kill every form of water to kill her

so you need to delete all forms of water

but you atleast kill levi

[split mortar]

Every elemental is basically immortal
So brimmy lives aswell

[pulsar ocean]

will brimstone elemental die if i city buster the whole hell

[robust osprey]

you need to delete all forms of heat iirc

to kill brimmy

[pulsar ocean]

heat?

[robust osprey]

ye

so fire, lava, and related to that are tied to brimmy

[pulsar ocean]

does that include primordial light or it doesnt give heat

[robust osprey]

idk beacuse since primordial light is from the sun and not from the planet itself idk if that counts

[split mortar]

It does give off heat but yeah
Not from planet so it may not count

[sleek halo]

i imaginr it doesn’t

but yeah basically

to kill effectively most elementals

u just need to either be able to delete a specific thing from reality

or uh

blow it the fuck up

[split mortar]

Gotta expplod plabet

[sleek halo]

Brimmy is probably the hardest to kill

actually

sand elemental or

cloud

gl stripping the atmosphere awaya…

[robust osprey]

sand elemental is also all types of rock and earth right?

[sleek halo]

Yeah

unironically

[robust osprey]

yeah you must explode planet

[sleek halo]

Silva might be the easiest to kill lmao

[robust osprey]

💥

[sleek halo]

just raze

literally all life

and then beat her into a fine planty mush

[robust osprey]

just ask draedon

to wipe all life

[sleek halo]

it’s that easy!!

[sleek halo]

I believe he’d… run into

trouble

[pulsar ocean]

does draedon count as life if hes a robot

[sleek halo]

uhh

i don’t think he has a soul

so I doubt he’s “alive”

But he’s obviously sapient

[robust osprey]

wait

does xeroc count

[sleek halo]

uh

maybe!

I imagine it’s moreso

tired to nature..

Idk

[indigo glade]

Well, Xeroc comes from Terraria.

So, possibly.

[sleek halo]

basically

elementals are unironically the hardest thing to kill lmao

you might as well try your luck at killing Xeroc

you’d fair better

[limpid saddle]

I don't think it'd be easier to kill Xeroc than destroy the planet

Its just...

[sleek halo]

I think it would be

[pulsar ocean]

just craft weapons out of yharim bars

[robust osprey]

just make 99 nukes

a giga nuke

[limpid saddle]

You'd need to kill Xeroc to destroy the planet

[sleek halo]

if you can destroy the planet

[limpid saddle]

So you know

[sleek halo]

you can kill Xeroc

[pulsar ocean]

with a pickaxe

exo box

and a dream

[robust osprey]

just make drill containment unit and go crazy

[sleek halo]

maybe

idk if that’d actually work

deeper down u go

they might just fail due to heat/pressure

[pulsar ocean]

can you mine out the whole abyss

i mean voidstone is mineable

[sleek halo]

i mean… that’s

probably not even near the core

[spare pier]

Crabulon is dead

You aren't killing anything

[sleek halo]

Crabulon’s dead body got hijacked

[split mortar]

The mushrooms piloting its corpse:

[sleek halo]

you are literally

beating a dead crab

[split mortar]

Also hermititans are the same species as what crabulon used to be iirc

[mighty zenith]

they're still gonna be on the corpse when its in pieces

they just wont be able to move it anymore

[limpid saddle]

you guys think the mushrooms could pilot Jared's corpse like a mecha

[split mortar]

Wouldnt be as strong but yae

[limpid saddle]

new gundam series looking weird asf

[pulsar ocean]

would mushrooms survive

[robust osprey]

re-kill it

[pulsar ocean]

at the deepest

layer

of abyss

[sleek halo]

maybe…?

The hardest part would be

actually getting into Jared LOL

he’d have to rot a lot

and Idk what his blessing would do

[limpid saddle]

Also theres some guy crashing out in #general-media over the fact Polterghast & Calamitas Clone are getting reworked

[robust osprey]

would mushrooms even survive

underwater

in the abyss

[sleek halo]

I assume in this scenario

he’d be

in the mushroom biome

[limpid saddle]

Yeah we're dragging his corpse there & seeing what happens

[sleek halo]

since he’s shown to be capable of surviving outside of the abyss

without imploding

lmao

[robust osprey]

probably the blessing expires when he dies

[deft vessel]

How old was Perma again

[split mortar]

400-500 iirc

[robust osprey]

~500 I think

[manic coral]

About 570

[scenic olive]

im about to crashout when i find that Polter design getting changed

cuz i made a theory that the reason Plantera looks like Polter because it was fed souls

[spare pier]

Funniest shit is that in-lore yeah like

Polter and Plantera are still comically similar

[dusk laurel]

There will be those who will never enter the pearly gates

[cosmic zenith]

Unfortunate consequence of Plantera having a gameplay-based Dungeon connection

[dusk laurel]

@limpid saddle #lore-discussion message

[limpid saddle]

what in the genetic maladaptive bullshit is this

[split mortar]

Magic✨

[limpid saddle]

What possible evolutionary benefit could there be to growing horns

[dusk laurel]

looks cool

[split mortar]

Lethal headbut

[limpid saddle]

are they hollow do they use them to fucking, read vibrations in the deep caverns

[dusk laurel]

extra mana storage

[split mortar]

Keeps the lava slimes from jumping on their head easier

[limpid saddle]

this alters the context

[dusk laurel]

well

azafure was a big city

[split mortar]

Immigration

[dusk laurel]

which usually attracts immigration

and it also industrialized

[snow mountain]

ITS IN HELL

SHRIMPLE

[dusk laurel]

so true

humans clearly descended from demons smh smh

[limpid saddle]

Alright fine im still pretending the Brimstone Flames made Calamitas Clone's horns all fucked up & lop-sided though

[dusk laurel]

thumby

[dusk laurel]

eirin

i need more drugs

[snow mountain]

not everything needs to be elaborated on

[clear girder]

is there any reasons why some of the boss summons summon the bosses?

[split mortar]

Most boss summons arent canon

So
No

[dusk laurel]

non canon

yeah

[clear girder]

are there any that are canon?

[dusk laurel]

yes

exo mechs

ravager when it is reworked

providence when her spawn method gets changed

wall of flesh

[split mortar]

I imagine the natural spawns are the canon ones
Break plantera bulb for plantera
Kill bee larva for queen bee
Kill cultists for lunatic cultist
Kill pillars for ml

[split mortar]

Ye

[dusk laurel]

eye of cthulhu iirc

[split mortar]

???

[dusk laurel]

well

natural spawning

[clear girder]

what about empress of light

[split mortar]

Afaik blue fire is the only one with a change to their spawn

[dusk laurel]

she will spawn when you have the profaned core in your inventory

[clear girder]

is that canon?

[split mortar]

Also canon i imagine

[dusk laurel]

sso

this is after

[split mortar]

Oh ok

[dusk laurel]

old duke will have a whole sidequest to kill it

polterghast is idk

summon method probably will be canon when the rework happens

[cloud ibex]

why say this

kinda unnecessary to bring up i thin k

[snow mountain]

its inflaming a situation

[dusk laurel]

yeah

also it isnt even lore related

[pulsar ocean]

bumblebird

[clear girder]

how old was Yharim when he was destined to eat egg Yharon

[dusk laurel]

like a young adult i think

[young socket]

between 20 and 30

[pulsar ocean]

is yharim a redhead

[cloud ibex]

might have been

or still is depending on if you think the hair is real or a plume

[pulsar ocean]

the hair on his helmet is totally fake

no one is believing that

[light linden]

I've heard the devs say that for yharim it's his real hair

but idk which one

[prime mauve]

I believe it

yharim gotta have them locks

yharim is samson confirmed

[sleek halo]

Completely random thought but like

the person who built draedon

Brother was literally centuries ahead of everyone else

Ik Draedon specifically states that the person was

far more advanced than everyone else

but like

Imagine you’re in the 1200’s and there’s a dude

whose technology is past like even modern day AI

not just past it

it blows that shit out of the water

not even comparable

[random mulch]

simply what happens when someone has autism 2

[vernal surge]

bro had the technology of the future in the past of our time

[sleek halo]

and even if it’s the theory of oh

he transferred consciousness

that’s still absolutely fucking insane

[dusk laurel]

yeah

[gaunt sluice]

probably more so tbh

[split mortar]

Yeah

[cloud ibex]

honestly yeah i think transferring consciousness is more impressive than "just" creating a really advanced AI

[random mulch]

and not just going from neurons to reurons, but from neurons to transistors

to inhabit an artificial mind, draedon's creator still needed to make an artificial mind that can be transferred into in the first place

[sleek halo]

yeah

even if potentially botched still fucking crazy lol

dude be splitting the atom while the people outside fighting with sticks and rocks

[random mulch]

also dont forget that in the age of guns, draedon has giant floating war machines powered by an infinite energy source

[sleek halo]

yeah

[mighty zenith]

alien draedon 3:

[random mulch]

thank god alien draedon isnt a thing anymore

[mighty zenith]

"yeah this guy roboticized his entire planet cause why the fuck not"

"lets employ him!"

[sleek halo]

i find it funny btw that

[mighty zenith]

great idea yharman

[sleek halo]

somehow

someway

the shit we combined

stablized miracle matter

like

“I know what this needs! Souls of the damned!”

[mighty zenith]

got plenty in stock

gotta use them for something

[languid badge]

Still can’t figure out a simple ascension ritual though

[sleek halo]

those funny pillars made a silly thing might as well

[random mulch]

some shiny gems, 4 different metals, souls of the damned combined with whatever the hell essences are and ashes from the clone of a witch, interdimensional energy and space energy

and that's how you cook science matter

[sleek halo]

just stuff it into my silly soup

one of the strongest metals on the planet tamed with fragments of an auric soul?

sure!!!

the fact it doesn’t just

blow up in our face

truly is a fuckjng miracle

[split mortar]

You say that like
Any of the other gods but silva and xeroc got it correct aswell

[random mulch]

it does kinda fit with miracle matter's aesthetic, which is a clusterfuck

[sleek halo]

yeah

It’s just so funny to me

i’m sure there was a way for Draedon to stabilize it himself eventually

[mighty zenith]

part of science is combining shit hoping it doesnt kill you or everyone in a 10 mile radius

[sleek halo]

but we just had

[languid badge]

I mean fair but like
We can’t even fail it properly :/

[sleek halo]

so many

very specific things

that probably not a single other soul does

that we beat him to it

like

[split mortar]

Shear dumb luck

[sleek halo]

galactica singularities are a thing

only we have

same with ascendant spirit essence

ut that’s more obtainable for others

[cloud ibex]

i do wonder

[random mulch]

also the core of calamity you gotta throw in there for some reason

[split mortar]

That one is a tad debatable but they would be nightmarishly rare

[cloud ibex]

now that he knows miracle matter exists, is he gonna try to replicate and refine the process

[sleek halo]

they.. are made up

of the pillar fragments

[split mortar]

Deus drops them and they aint a pillar

[languid badge]

Hey someone could’ve salvaged our kill

[cloud ibex]

give him a few years and he would've made the NEO Mechs

[mighty zenith]

absolutely

its draedon

[dusk laurel]

time to spawn camp Yharon

[random mulch]

miracle mechs, horrific

[mighty zenith]

get on it addon people

[cloud ibex]

he..........

[hearty ocean]

However as I remember I think he already knew about it when we told him bout it, he really said "thats no miracle abd just pure science"

[dusk laurel]

he knew about, he just couldnt stabalize it

[cloud ibex]

if he could, he 100% would

[split mortar]

We stabilised it so we got to name it
But yeah draedon dislikes out naming conventions

[dusk laurel]

it was basically just a funny quirk of the exos until the terrarian stuffed auric and like a bunch of other shit into it

[cloud ibex]

and considering we're gonna tell him what's up with the Aerie, maybe he will

that'd be kinda funny

[sleek halo]

yeah

[sleek halo]

P sure he was

already attempting to

we just beat him to it

[spare pier]

My personal opinion is that Draedon didn't know about MM until the fight with Exos

It never showed up in any of his simulations

[sleek halo]

yeah

but also tbf

[split mortar]

Once draedon finds out how to dig the aerie and use its absurd properties

Aerie mechs when

[sleek halo]

I don’t know if he had the random assortment of goodies that wojld just

magically make it work

[spare pier]

After the fight he went "huh, neat" but he didn't pay too much attention to it until you managed to stabilize it, by which point he goes "what the fuck"

[hearty ocean]

However he knew he just didnt understand how to stabilise the MM, so he decided to perfect the things that already work instead of spending god knows how much time on the MM stability

[sleek halo]

reasonable reaction

we literally threw random rare shit together

and it worked

[hearty ocean]

Its the same as putting 3 kinds of meat an apple and a cabbage into a blender mixing it and getting the best meal ever

[spare pier]

I think he also ran some tests after the fight but concluded it was too unstable to be harnessed in any meaningful capacity

[sleek halo]

i still find it humorous that essence of

tortured souls

is a key fucking ingredient

[spare pier]

Like, the funniest part to me is exactly to imagine that

You and Draedon learned of MM at the same time

He conducted some tests, decided it was too much hassle and impossible to stabilize

And then the next morning you show up with a stabilized version

[sleek halo]

“Fuck it we ball”

[light linden]

I mean

literal metal is required for humans to run

[hearty ocean]

We literally combined exo mechs main components with a combination of tortured souls from everywhere, fragments of the celestial towers, some essences, a part of another draedons creation and a bar made from yharons guts

Ofc draedon was impressed it worked

[coral belfry]

What year is Calamity even set? Draedon's creation was during the 1200s and it took 600+ years to make the Exo Mechs.

[mighty zenith]

late 1800s

[hearty ocean]

But its eras and shit

[mighty zenith]

and no, exos themselves didnt take 600 years

its how long draedon has been alive and making technological advancements

[split mortar]

And exos are the ultimate culmination of all that work so far

[mighty zenith]

^

[cloud ibex]

the exos can't be less than like

what, ten years old?

[split mortar]

Months

Below months

[cloud ibex]

oh was it that short

[split mortar]

They started being made after yharim got exo

Which is months in the past

[coral belfry]

So our fight against them is like a test run.

[split mortar]

Its like
The first time they have been out on the field and actually fight somehing

-# and they surpass Draedons expectations iirc

[random mulch]

ekso meks

these fabrications..

they are simply nightmarish...

[rocky crown]

Do y'all think the tax collector has the balls to collect taxes from calamitas?

[languid badge]

Yes

Because he does

[rocky crown]

Nah, she canonically cimmits tax evasion

It was told to me in a dream

[split mortar]

burnt all the kingdoms that could tax them
Cant tax evasion if no people to tax you

[rocky crown]

Can't send that one "it was told to me in a dream" dr Manhattan meme

[frozen zodiac]

i think he tried at least once and he just did the half life 2 thing where they burn and disappear in the air

give me rent

no fuck off

PFFFFFFT

[mighty zenith]

the guy lived and became a tortured soul in hell then came back to keep being an evil bastard

i dont think hes scared of anything at this point

[pulsar ocean]

do u think yharim is balding

at like

200 years old

or how old is he

[split mortar]

130 ish

[eager bluff]

azafurians hated him so much they probably intentionally threw him at scal and brimmy fighting

[thorn drift]

draedon is over 700 💀

[split mortar]

660 ish iirc

[thorn drift]

I dont think he has hair, with him being burnt to a crisp and all

The plume on his helm might just be artificial for all we know

draedon is an old man

also i dont know if this falls under lore or not but how fucking big was catastrophe when he was alive

[dusk laurel]

necromancy is imperfect

[thorn drift]

cuz im looking at the brothers sprite rn and catastrophes torso is as big as cataclysms entire body

[split mortar]

It does fall under lore

[dusk laurel]

it couldve been that calamitas revived them that way

[split mortar]

We dunno though
Their bodies are twisted by necromancy to an insane degree

[thorn drift]

to be fair tho cal probably fucked with necromancy a little too much with them tho yeah

oh god i just realized the fucks are functionally identical

statwise i mean

[pulsar ocean]

i wouldnt mind being revived by cal cataclysm and catastrophe look sick as hell

[thorn drift]

Yeah but you wouldn't exactly be consious anymore

or sapient for that matter

[pulsar ocean]

id have drip tho

[split mortar]

You would also like
Lose all your memories, most of your soul and only your deepest wish would barely exist anymore

[thorn drift]

true true

[split mortar]

True

[thorn drift]

Wonder if theres such a thing as perfect necromancy in lore

[split mortar]

Its a intrinsinctly flawed practice

Yharon rebirthing auric dragons is how you get to live after death without major downsides iirc

[pulsar ocean]

How big was the egg yharim would have to eat

[thorn drift]

he wouldnt have to eat the egg

he would have to eat the soul in the dragon in the egg

[pulsar ocean]

What if he made the mother of all omelettes

[split mortar]

Ultimate breakfast

[thorn drift]

well, 'eat' might be a bit of an exaggeration, we don't actually know what happens when you consume an auric soul

MAKING THE MOTHER OF ALL OMLETTES HERE YHARIM

[split mortar]

It gets mixed with your own soul

[thorn drift]

CANT FRET OVER EVERY EGG

[thorn drift]

yeah, but i mean how that happens exactly

what the ritual is to do so

[pulsar ocean]

Isn't it tuff that originally Terraria was set to dont dig up seed

[split mortar]

?

[pulsar ocean]

Humans lived in hell

Cuz surface

Was dangerous

[split mortar]

Ah true

[split mortar]

Zeratros moment

[thorn drift]

oh god they made dont dig up canon

./j obvs

also is it just me or does catastrophe kinda look like gabriel ultrakill

[dusk laurel]

well okay but there were also humans in the rest of the underground

[thorn drift]

Long ago, two races ruled the underworld, HUMANS and DEMONS...

[reef wigeon]

Calamitas?

[dusk laurel]

nope

[thorn drift]

calamitas just kinda... starts fighting you in canon iirc

[dusk laurel]

her spawn method is not canon, she actually ambushes you in the first encounter

[thorn drift]

All subsequent fights after the first are just sparring matches

[dusk laurel]

yep

[reef wigeon]

And it is literally impossible at the moment.

[thorn drift]

not in cal lore apparently

at least you're reasonable for assuming so

[limpid saddle]

So do you think when you punch Calamitas hard enough her drops just fly out of her

[reef wigeon]

What you mean is that literally:
Calamitas:Hey, let's train
Terrarian:awkward silence
Calamitas:proceeds to shoot a literal Touhou bullet hell

[thorn drift]

basically yeah

[split mortar]

I think terrarian asks for it

[thorn drift]

she just drops a fucking coffin like an oversized wallet

[split mortar]

Cause

She hates using her powers

[limpid saddle]

Yup

[thorn drift]

She just always carries at least one of those on her at all times

[pulsar ocean]

Is calamitas's npc dialogue old lore or something I do not recall any caves cal lived in

[thorn drift]

yeah it is

[limpid saddle]

Instead of spitting out teeth she spits out fucking sniper rifles if you punch her in the face hard enough

[thorn drift]

gonna be rewritten in the sunken sea rework

[reef wigeon]

Although now that I think about it, from a boss perspective it wouldn't be the same when fighting the Terrarian, right?

[thorn drift]

Imagine you punch someone and they just spit out a fucking crossbow bigger than your entire body

[split mortar]

99% of all things that are to be changed lore wise or revealed are done in sso :/

[limpid saddle]

Thats why SSO will be released by 20?5

[reef wigeon]

What did you say about the miracle matter?

[thorn drift]

It would be pretty cool if cal ocasionally blasted you with ice magic as a sort of suprise attack during her fight

[split mortar]

?0?5

[limpid saddle]

What the variable is depends on how much hope you have left

[dusk laurel]

unfortunately no major changes are planned for scal's fight

[thorn drift]

I know

[split mortar]

:c

[limpid saddle]

It would be but im pretty sure her appititude for the other schools of magic are just kinda... mediocore?

[dusk laurel]

most of them were done in bountiful harvest and draedon update

[thorn drift]

Considering she made cryogen... inclined to disagree

[limpid saddle]

when was bountiful harvest even

[dusk laurel]

except for the arena shader effect

[dusk laurel]

may last year

[limpid saddle]

Mediocore doesnt mean bad it just means average

& early hardmode seems pretty average for a legendary mage

[thorn drift]

Fair enough

[limpid saddle]

pre-mechs, even

[dusk laurel]

shes mediocre because her mana output or some shit was too great for most magic except brimstone afaik

[thorn drift]

Yh

everything just kinda

[limpid saddle]

arim

[thorn drift]

started combusting iirc

[split mortar]

Yeah if she tried other spells they just 💥 at times

[thorn drift]

Did she ever get that under control btw?

[dusk laurel]

well

at least ice magic

[limpid saddle]

Also uh not to plug but I drew my interpretation of Calamitas Clone & put it in #general-media & I would like to know the wizened folks of lore-discussion's thoughts

[split mortar]

Good drawing os the first thing i think
Time to form opinion

[thorn drift]

Considering we literally do not know what she looks like aside being a botched clone of cal, yeah thats pretty accurate

[dusk laurel]

well she wasnt botched, she just didnt have brimstone magic

[limpid saddle]

Thats why it's an interpretation

[limpid saddle]

& what vanillin said

[dusk laurel]

remember when cryogen was a part of permafrost's castle back in the old days

[split mortar]

I thought it WAS permafrosts castle

[dusk laurel]

his castle is NOT that small

that basically would mean he was living in a box

[limpid saddle]

Like Calamitas just ripped a chunk out of it & slapped him in it?

[dusk laurel]

idfk

its been years since i read old lore

[limpid saddle]

i'd argue he downgraded after being housed by the terrarian

[split mortar]

I thought the entire castle got condensed around perman

[split mortar]

I mean
Yharim threw them in in old lore

[limpid saddle]

Ah old lore Yharim, what a shithead

[hoary berry]

there is a pretty long fic about old lore that i want to finish reading

[dusk laurel]

hi goos

[hoary berry]

haii

[split mortar]

Hai

[hoary berry]

my brain

took a moment to compute

that sticker being in lore chat

[dusk laurel]

this guys thinks this is the sscls welcome channel

[split mortar]

:(

[hoary berry]

[split mortar]

[hoary berry]

must seem like a very odd conversation to someone who can’t see the welcome channel in sscls

[split mortar]

Im getting bullied comedically for those unaware

[wheat walrus]

bro citrullus ranged weaponry thinks this is the welcome channel 🫗🎋💔⛓️

[dusk laurel]

[reef wigeon]

t-that's not how science works...

[split mortar]

It does if you document the results

[reef wigeon]

Well... Well yes

Draedon Lore:DOCUMENTING

Draedon after manipulating without any respect the race that Yharim loved:i-it was in the name of science!

Hey... What are dragonfollies now? Are they Auric dragon clones made by Draedon, or are they Auric soulless dragons?

[split mortar]

They are draconic offshoots

Just normal dragons

[split mortar]

Same with
Wyrms
Wyverns
Basilisks
Pigrons
Fishrons
Prob some others i forgor

Auric dragons are the special ones that had a eternal cycle of rebirth and let you godhood

[reef wigeon]

Why does the Terrarian get so many souls from Yharon? I think he'd outnumber all the gods combined if he consumed them in a ritual-

[split mortar]

Did you misread the part where its a fragment

and we dont even get yharons entire soul

Just like
10% of it or something

So we couldnt god ascend with just the fragments

[reef wigeon]

That's the weird thing, what would happen if you killed Yharon more than 100 times? LOL

[rocky crown]

Important lore question! Does calamitas canonically use :3 when using the cell phone? :3

[reef wigeon]

I know it wouldn't be canon anyway, but it would be interesting...

[split mortar]

Takes a decade per rebirth so good luck living 1000 years
-# the soul regenerates, hence the decade long wait iirc

So you wouldnt be doing jack shit to yharon

[dusk laurel]

honestly

[split mortar]

No
She is homeless
Doesnt have a cellphone

[rocky crown]

😦

[dusk laurel]

this is a question that cannot be answered

[split mortar]

Might if they did have it tho idk

[young socket]

now? prob not. when she was a child? if she had a phone then yea i can see it

[split mortar]

Ask cheese theyre better at characterising calamitas then rebecca

[split mortar]

According to rebecca

[rocky crown]

Someone @ this cheese guy, we need lore answer

[dusk laurel]

no

[rocky crown]

Guy/gal

[split mortar]

Cheese
The moderator
They are here often so just ask when they appear idk

[reef wigeon]

In Terraria, a minute is an hour, so it really wouldn't take long for 1000 years to pass in Terraria...

[split mortar]

Gal

[dusk laurel]

smth smth gameplay

[split mortar]

Have you considered gameplay moment

[dusk laurel]

do you want for a day in terraria to last 1 day irl

no

[split mortar]

Yes
Have the terrarian stab yharim in 3 days

[dusk laurel]

burns oyu at the stake

[limpid saddle]

One minute is an hour, so 24 minutes is a day, 3 days is about 72 minutes, barely over an hour

Now can someone tell me how many days are in a year?

[dusk laurel]

365-366

[split mortar]

This is in relation to a day lasts a day

[limpid saddle]

Exactly

[dusk laurel]

yep

[limpid saddle]

121 real human days is a year

[young socket]

=-1

[limpid saddle]

If you wanted to wait a thousand canonical real years

It would take so fucking long

[split mortar]

Bit off there

[limpid saddle]

So, shut up

stupid

[limpid saddle]

it's a rough approximation

I meant as in a terraria year

in-universe terraria year

[split mortar]

3 days is 72 minutes
Theres iver 60 days in an irl day

[split mortar]

So
Not 121 days for a terrarian year

[limpid saddle]

Point being long ass time

[split mortar]

True either way

[wheat walrus]

@pliant ruin save us from the unknown

[reef wigeon]

Please don't call me stupid. I've already done my research. It would be 16 years and 9 months, but compared to a millennium or 100 years, well... It's acceptable.

[reef wigeon]

(no, I didn't say 100 years is a millennium, I just said a millennium or 100 years)

[split mortar]

You will be devoured by glutton bugs

The stpuidest bugs ever

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1027167403324493884/1351915085303382036/TheyMarch.gif

[reef wigeon]

And taking into account the Calamity objects that accelerate time (that thing whose name I can't remember that makes it immediately day or night), time would be shortened exaggeratedly more.

[pastel bay]

Cosmolight

Not to be confused with "cosmolite"

[reef wigeon]

-Wiki.gg

[pastel bay]

I live to serve occasionally

[reef wigeon]

Well, thank you.

:3

[split mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/colon-three-kitty-crumb-cuptoat-heavy-gif-15723533476185307497

[dusk laurel]

glumbsdown

[reef wigeon]

What did you say about the miracle matter?

[hoary berry]

[split mortar]

What about it?

[limpid saddle]

No i'm mean & evil & will continue to demean you in minor ways on rare occassions

[reef wigeon]

They were talking a while ago, but I didn't finish reading.

[split mortar]

Draedon hates the name of it

-# idk

[dusk laurel]

cal clone is still not a character, not until they actually add more lore for her

[split mortar]

Explodes

[limpid saddle]

Pretend instead of this message I posted that 'SHE IS TO ME' gif

[dusk laurel]

fearful

[split mortar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/940052577536606251/1350692376649269289/caption.gif

[reef wigeon]

And... And that's it? That was your heartbreaking story?

[split mortar]

Idk what you are referencing and its 10pm

[reef wigeon]

Spanish:y...¿Y ya? ¿Esa es tu historia de origen desgarradora?

[reef wigeon]

-Doctor Doofenshmirtz

[young socket]

no hablo espanol or smthn idk

[split mortar]

New car emote

[dusk laurel]

i am going to steal your car

[limpid saddle]

i mean it all originates in latin & there are alot of borrowed words you can assemble a general meaning from context

[split mortar]

I have 6 cars and i dont want any of them yoinked

[young socket]

ye ik i see history and origin i think

[plucky lichen]

What is everyone’s favorite cal character and why

[limpid saddle]

Calamitas Clone, I love the dopplegänger with imposter syndrome & or isolationist issues trope & it could be done so well in Calamity

Second favourite? Otonilou I guess she's got a cool design

[spare pier]

:D

[limpid saddle]

I just know that was about Otonilou & honestly yeah, I want to see the weird jellyfish girl get more lore

[tropic oak]

but heres the fisher

[limpid saddle]

She's been dead for like 17 years but you know better late than never

[late veldt]

Ontonilou?

[split mortar]

Goddess of electricity
Died ti scal
Illmeran deity

[pastel bay]

Calamitas (the orignal) because I'm a sucker for characters who're given a redemption, and when they really deserve it, and a better life

[late veldt]

ohe

I like Draedon

[pastel bay]

Poor time to mention scal on my part

Oops

[late veldt]

I also like the Bandit because they're like "what the fuck why is Calamitas here"

[split mortar]

More people should be like that

Cause

Well

She is a walking barrage of nukes

[limpid saddle]

I only really think the Guide & Dryad, maybe Gun Dealer & Tax man would know who she is

Like 50/50 on either princess

[pastel bay]

I'm really surprised permafrost doesn't have dialogue

Cirrus has dialogue for Scal

[limpid saddle]

He will, soon™️

[split mortar]

Getting changes, npc dialogue is quite outdated iirc

[pastel bay]

YIPPEE

[split mortar]

The dialogue tree

[late veldt]

She was a key competent in Yharim's army at a point I imagine way more people know about her

[limpid saddle]

Now wait 300 fargo years

[split mortar]

Yeah

[pastel bay]

[split mortar]

She wasnt a secret

Afaik

Just
Well

Strong

[limpid saddle]

I just mean given how most of them seem in like their 20s-30s unless they are worldly folk they were born while The Crusades were winding down

[split mortar]

Strong enough that there was no need to hide her

[pastel bay]

Well.
Initially she was.

Definitely not by the end

[limpid saddle]

They were born it's shadow, it's aftermath, probably not all that clear what it was all about unless their parents taught them

[split mortar]

So she would have become active in the crusade when they would be in their teens to early adult

[plucky lichen]

I like Draedon, he’s a cool guy

[limpid saddle]

I doubt the heartlands have standardized education

[plucky lichen]

But as for a favorite

Uhm

[pastel bay]

Yeah I only found out this week that the crusades weren't like. Decades in the past my entire view of the world of calamity was shifted drastically

[split mortar]

Technically still going

Never truly ended

[pastel bay]

The last real fight before we showed up was months prior

[split mortar]

And yharim still has some active forces

[pastel bay]

I used to think it was years upon years ago before we showed up

[limpid saddle]

If only we saw any of them, or heard about any of them

[split mortar]

Orphan incinerator 9000 with added spikes and chainsaws and lasers is still bombing people (skeletron prime)

[limpid saddle]

that werent screaming blue ghosts

[split mortar]

Mech bosses:

Dog and yharon technically

[limpid saddle]

I'd hardly consider them active forces

[pastel bay]

Invasion event of his primary infantry when

The mech bosses just kind of roam

[limpid saddle]

They arent in the army at this point they arent following Yharim's orders they're basically just running around being malevolent

[split mortar]

Yeah
But theyre still well
Following yharims want of killing god related things

[split mortar]

So following what yharim wants

[young socket]

ok but realistically

[limpid saddle]

Thats like saying that japanese division of troops trapped on that island for like 70 years with no outside contact that thought WW2 was still going on were active combatants under the emperor's will for that entire time

[young socket]

that would not happen

[limpid saddle]

Their leader has fucked off to god knows where

[young socket]

considering yharim has an actual military hierarchy according to the schematics

[split mortar]

Fair enough

[young socket]

so wat would actually happen is that theyd lose yharim suddenly one day and be like "yea lets just keep going we alr have a plan for the next five years or so"

[limpid saddle]

If only we saw or heard about literally any of them

Yharim's Army Private NPC to lore-dump everything about The Crusades military when

[split mortar]

Permafrost

[limpid saddle]

Permafrost isnt gonna tell us shit

[manic coral]

who knows maybe soon enough you'll be able to ask the person who's been fucking around elsewhere for the last 10-15 years

[young socket]

o and by lose yharim i meant

lose communication

[split mortar]

Scal or oerma?

[young socket]

when he fucked off to the aerie

not when he dies

[manic coral]

Perma's most recent knwoedge is still form before the Crusad'es proper collapse yeah

Calamitas and the Bandit too actually know more about what's actually been going on elsewhere nowadays

Calamitas way more though

[young socket]

calamity

[eager bluff]

calamitous

[manic coral]

shut

[young socket]

no :3

[split mortar]

Explode

Become one with the sands

[limpid saddle]

oh also cei i drew an interpretation of what calamitas clone could look like & posted it in #general-media just sayin

[young socket]

itd be neat if there was an npc who had like

[limpid saddle]

So anyway

[young socket]

archives of old newspapers

and read those

but ik thats realistically not possible

[limpid saddle]

Are all the Calamity NPCS gonna get dialouge trees or just the big important boys? (& girls)

[split mortar]

All calamity npcs are important to some extent iirc

So yes

All

[manic coral]

i mean

[split mortar]

I think

[manic coral]

both

that's the same thing

[eager bluff]

[[Drunk Princess]]

[pliant island]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Drunk_Princess

[young socket]

theres uhh

cirrus

[manic coral]

ok well fair

[young socket]

yeah

[manic coral]

yeah not her

[young socket]

but other than her theyre all important

[limpid saddle]

Drunk Princess loredump when

[split mortar]

Theyre going to be for side stories to help flesh out the world i think

Idk its late

But uhhm
Men

[eager bluff]

shes dedicated content she doesnt get to be canon

[split mortar]

[limpid saddle]

discrimination against the alchoholic community once more

[split mortar]

Lea would be sad

[reef wigeon]

I love how some people say "Draedon created Mars, the new Exo mech" as if WoTG was canon LOL

[split mortar]

-# aight wotg stuff bye

[manic coral]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[limpid saddle]

people have thought wrath of the gods was canon for years

[manic coral]

for literally no reason

but

[limpid saddle]

this is not new

[manic coral]

again

¯_(ツ)_/¯

yeah

not new at all

[reef wigeon]

Well, but at least the lore of the addon is currently better.

[young socket]

"so why does noxus look like that"

[split mortar]

They could put big fuck you text that reads “NOT CANON TO CALAMITY YOU FUCKING IMBECILES” and i bet some would like
Still be confused if its canon or not

[reef wigeon]

I think what they did with Noxus was make him a different character.

[split mortar]

Yeah straight up removed the guy with a new guy

[reef wigeon]

Now it's Avatar of Emptiness, similar but... More Lovecraftian

[eager bluff]

they did yes

[young socket]

"xeroc is boundless right?"

[young socket]

ye

[split mortar]

Die

[young socket]

nope :3

[reef wigeon]

No

[manic coral]

tbf they aren't simmilar in the slightest but like. ok average people isn't gonna know that since they don't know what Noxus is like

in fact

[eager bluff]

they cant escape the fate of mura clickbait telling people they're the same thing

[manic coral]

almsot nobody does

[split mortar]

Is telling someone to eat caesium allowed

[reef wigeon]

But nameless deity should be

[manic coral]

not until Noxus comes out

[vernal surge]

real

[young socket]

mura even stole the perfectly balanced thing

[manic coral]

"NEW CALAMITY MOD NOXUS BOSS?"
looks inside
not calamity mod
not noxus

[limpid saddle]

Avatar Of Emptiness doesnt really have any overlap with Noxus, honestly

[manic coral]

thank you mura very cool

[eager bluff]

mura clickbait is genuinely harmful

[split mortar]

Strong being
Opposes light guy
From different dimension?????

Thats it

[reef wigeon]

What is similar is that of "emptiness"... And only that LOL

[split mortar]

And its stupid vague

[manic coral]

and it's specifically harmful to the cal team

[limpid saddle]

[manic coral]

and by extenstion as the person also doing the most with Noxus

me

[limpid saddle]

yeah right like that'll happen in our lifetimes

[young socket]

have u ever told mura to stop doing that kinda stuff?

[vernal surge]

i cant speak for mura obv but im so sorry 😭

[manic coral]

me in particular? no. but he has been called out by other people before

[young socket]

i kinda meant the dev team in general

[reef wigeon]

The new one I think is a God who created his own world, but it became completely empty and transformed into that. That is what relates it to the nameless deity, whose world was not destroyed (Terraria and Twisted Garden)

[limpid saddle]

Alright gn lore chat

[manic coral]

gn!

[young socket]

sorry but im gonna have to wish u a bad night

[manic coral]

it's just frusterating and

bleh

[pliant ruin]

avatar is a universe manifestation much like avatar but his universe died due to heat death and now its really fucking lonely and wants to take over nameless's universe so it can be not lonely and exist in a place that isnt dead

[limpid saddle]

I caat counterspell

[eager bluff]

avatar much like avatar...

[manic coral]

oh hello cheese

[young socket]

caat

[young socket]

y doesnt he just

live in it

[limpid saddle]

im tired

[young socket]

and not try to kill nd

[limpid saddle]

cause hes stupid & probably insane

[manic coral]

yeah that's literally it

well

"opposes" is a strong word

[reef wigeon]

Well, it seems he doesn't want to hurt anyone. Did you see the Get Fixed BOI Easter egg? He's literally the avatar of kindness.

[manic coral]

let's go with two and a half things in common

[reef wigeon]

He PATPAT you until you hit him, because he cries and disappears.

[limpid saddle]

I felt very hurt when he hit me with the mega vomit blood murder ray

[manic coral]

now here's my question

since WotG does fucky things with Terminus

[split mortar]

Bru

[manic coral]

what will it do when it's required for psotgame progression in cal

[split mortar]

Oh huh

Probably move that functionality to terminal

[limpid saddle]

I think termimus has been deprived of required use in WoTG

[reef wigeon]

Not really. It's no longer required for Avatar of Emptiness (formerly Noxus), but it is required for Nameless Deity.

[limpid saddle]

Now goodnight for realsies cause i really gotta go to sleep

[young socket]

if u mean that boss rush needs to be cleared, theres a second item called terminal which does it

[reef wigeon]

Good night, rest without the Avatar of Emptiness emerging from the vortex of doom and death.

[manic coral]

probably more than that

[pastel bay]

I feel like they should pivot their thing to the terminal and leave the terminus to the base game, especially if something in game is actively contradicting the add on

[reef wigeon]

Well, what do you think of the new WoTG story?

They recently added new dialogue to Draedon, right?

[pastel bay]

It's nice. I uh

I cried a bit. Won't lie

I got very attached because I 100%'d it and wasn't ready

[reef wigeon]

I didn't cry... I just squeezed a few drops of blood out of my eyes...

Wait, what-

[pastel bay]

When I tell you I tried every trick to move an NPC to try and bring her back I mean EVERYTHING

Mostly to see if I could

[reef wigeon]

Well, I loved that they reworked the black hole. It's now scientifically correct.

[pastel bay]

Indeed

Also. Crazy powerful food item

Didn't expect culinary power creep but here we are

[reef wigeon]

Oh, also the Good Apple... Sings Bad Apple in Japanese

[reef wigeon]

I didn't know this existed LOL

[reef wigeon]

Ah, right, the rock... AH, I UNDERSTAND NOW-

[pastel bay]

I know I love it

Also, the rod of harmony thing?

Free cooldown

[reef wigeon]

Okay, is it still impossible for the Terrarian to replicate the exotechnology without Draedon's forge?

[pastel bay]

I believe so?

[reef wigeon]

Draedon himself said it, and I believe him.

[pastel bay]

Probably

But we are unpredictable

[reef wigeon]

Thanks to that we know that God hates Re-logic LMAO

[pastel bay]

Lmao yeah

[calm patio]

both mura and gitgudwo brainrot clickbait

[dusk laurel]

mura is not gonna beat the allegations

[vernal surge]

we need yrimir and his content style back fr
(im aware he stepped away bc of life and respect that tho 🙏 )

[reef wigeon]

Didn't Yharim say Draedon should have unlimited resources? So that means... EXO MECH WAR CANON-

[stark basalt]

late and off topic but its healthier to just accept wotg as lucilles rendition of the post game calamity lore… its a cool addon but im also looking forward to the official stuff

[spare pier]

It's healthier to accept WotG as being its own thing

:p

[stark basalt]

i worded it poorly but yes i completely agree

its in the same branch of catalyst where it started as something that was clumsily tacked onto calamity lore-wise but grew into its own thing over time

ok well catalyst was always good tbh

[stark basalt]

and his videos are actually super informative and good so its frustrating when he does clickbait

[plucky spruce]

well, the terminal description does say exactly why the terminal is a thing

[plucky spruce]

Lucille popped up in the terraria-talk channel saying "i kinda wanna change the black hole", proceeded to spend like 4 hours asking the people on how to make the black hole look cooler

i think my only participation to the whole suggestion stuff was suggesting for it to be a bit smaller, the original concept was disgustingly huge

[plucky spruce]

it is indeed it's own stuff, the closest you'll get from it being calamity-lore related are the auric souls but their description is also "these are not canon"

[quartz saffron]

was going to add but don't want to read rn

[plucky spruce]

[river python]

why did Yharon sacrifice himself for Yharim

i know they're like super duper friends, but doesn't make me sense at all