lore-discussion

[pliant ruin]

so he wins

[split mortar]

🔥

[dusk laurel]

🪣

[untold oracle]

🚂

[pliant ruin]

train

train gender

[split mortar]

Teleport bread now or else

[untold oracle]

Blows up bread with mind

[split mortar]

Blows up alcohol with mind

[dusk laurel]

Whar

[split mortar]

For 3 days

[dusk laurel]

Nough

My bread my rules

[split mortar]

Meanie

[gritty kraken]

Can’t believe fovos canonically have soldier voice

[limpid saddle]

but calclones my criminally insane blorbo 💔

[wheat walrus]

yharim alone prolly loses but it's gonna be hard asf for the military either ways

[tepid timber]

Definitely

[prime mauve]

It's made from pure plaguearmorite

[spare pier]

She lived in Hell but then Junko said "hey we should kill all Lunarians"

And then Junko made a fucking army of fairies and shit and proceeded to fuck the moon

And Clownpiece went alongside her

[limpid saddle]

holy shit is that john clamity

[eager bluff]

she pissed on the moon

just like eggman

[late veldt]

Was Azafure only under the Heartlands or did it span more of hell than that

I had always thought that the hell we explore is actually a closed off cavern that's under the Heartlands

[pliant ruin]

good question

iirc theres plans to expand azafure in crags overhaul but like

what will that entail exactly

because wouldnt the surface need to expand too

does that mean abyss n sulpur sea become bigger??

[indigo glade]

I just think that the Abyss was above the city's centre, and Silva's essence affected a large area, which is now all of Azafure.

[indigo glade]

I think it would realistically span further, since cities are built in circles, and if we go near the centre, then realistically there would be more outskirts, opposite of where we would explore.

Therefore going further than the Heartlands.

[late veldt]

I mean yeah, but that applies to aboveground cities

They had started construction near the cavern wall in my proposal

and thus couldn't extend the other way, while still extending outwards as cities do

[indigo glade]

Hell is a large open expanse.

There is no wall to expand on.

[prime mauve]

i have no idea what the actual plans for crags are so do not take this as dev knowledge, but i vaguely remember someone here mentioning crags biome will be larger in the rework

[indigo glade]

Yes, that is very much known to us.

[prime mauve]

but i have no clue anything more than that

[indigo glade]

Lore poeple love spoilers.

[dusk laurel]

Me?

Loving spoilers?!?!!?

Nonsense.

[slow coral]

Did Yharim think he could eventually kill Xeroc?

[prime mauve]

oh you want a spoiler

||there||

[strong notch]

Doubt it

He is well aware of how strong Xeroc is

[pulsar ocean]

no

[pliant ruin]

he did

thats like

his entire goal

the entire reason hes doing all of this is because he wants you to continue his legacy becaues he knows hes gonna die before he can become strong enough to beat xeroc

[vocal cairn]

Well if that’s the case, he’ll succeed

[dusk laurel]

[pulsar ocean]

NOOOO MY 50 BUCKS

[mighty zenith]

mine now

:3

[pulsar ocean]

😔

[light linden]

ngl

the fact that cosmilite is normally a liquid gives me ideas for weapons

like a flamethrower type thing

[scenic olive]

cosmifreeze

what if you combine endothermic energy with liquid cosmilite to make cosmilite bar

cuz

its frozen liquid cosmilite

[dusk laurel]

ermm

[split mortar]

Wasnt this said to be what will happen

[dusk laurel]

endothermic's replacement will probably work like that

yeah

[scenic olive]

now it all makes sense

[light linden]

or hell

[dusk laurel]

what

also a cosmilite flamethrower already exists

[light linden]

Do y'all know the NA-45 from Call of Duty AW?

If not

It's a two round sniper that fires a shot that will explode if the second shot lands near it

I wonder if something similar could be done with liquid cosmilite

where liquid cosmilite is shot at the target and then it is rapidly cooled

[scenic olive]

Cosmilite Aerosolizer

[verbal compass]

Guys, does calamity's names follow a specific language?

Like what are their origins?

[mighty zenith]

well, calamitas is just latin for calamity

yharim and yharon are inspired by a city in bloodborne

uhh

[indigo glade]

Noxus, Astrum Deus and Astrum Aureus are all also Latin.

[mighty zenith]

yea

[verbal compass]

So, like, greek and latin names would fit well in the world right?

[mighty zenith]

id say so

[light linden]

what does noxus translate to?

[indigo glade]

Fovos, a name for Moon Lord given by the Sky Civilisation, is ancient Greek for fear.

[dusk laurel]

well

in ancient Greek it would be more like Phobos

[indigo glade]

Something relating to night. The "-us" ending has no meaning as far as I'm aware.

[mighty zenith]

nox just means night

it may also be related to nexus? idk

[light linden]

dragon of night confirmed

[dusk laurel]

Kills you

That's just Zeratros

[indigo glade]

There used to be a thing with naming stuff with latin...

[verbal compass]

I like how greek myths are incorporated in the names, like we have ELYSIAN tracers, which are a upgrade for the HERMES boots

[scenic olive]

Dragon of the abyss

Auric Soul of Darkness

trapped in Noxus

[dusk laurel]

explodes you into dust

[scenic olive]

WoTG lore

[mighty zenith]

explodes u into sparkles :D

[scenic olive]

Dragon of Abyss sounds fire tho

[dusk laurel]

What would it even do

[scenic olive]

[dusk laurel]

Drink water?

[scenic olive]

Darkness is just the Absence of Light

[dusk laurel]

Zeratros has control of that

[scenic olive]

wait thats true

can he make everything blue by not allowing any other wavelength of light to pass thru

[analog stirrup]

chat if a woodchuck chucked some wood at you, what damage type would it do?

im feeling real rouge vibes from it ngl

[visual kiln]

cat

[pulsar ocean]

is yharim planetary+

[split mortar]

Not even xeroc is

Scal is like
City level

[manic coral]

yeah no like Calamitas is explcitly written to bea roudn there in terms of power, i've said so, and somebody even tried to calculate how strong her biggest actual feat in the mod would actually be realsitically

and it was still city level

which i'd like to point out was a total coincidence which is funny

And Yharim isn't that much stronger than her

There's a gap in power, yeah, but it's nothing huge

[split mortar]

Like at most low mountain for yharminarm id say

[manic coral]

He has more experience but in terms of raw power in combat I'd say only realistically 10%-15% over her

[manic coral]

that'd make him like 9 times stronger than Calamitas

[split mortar]

O

[manic coral]

realsitically speaking

if you're tlaking like

a jump from city to mountain

like realsitically that si anywhere between 5 times and 40 times different in strength

[split mortar]

Thats why i said at max
Cause i dont think he is

[manic coral]

there's not even a 5 times difference in strength between Providence and Calamitas

at least likely

I can see 4 Providences beating Yharon at least

if not 3

[pulsar ocean]

but he's a god

how can that be

[manic coral]

so is Slime God

also most gods in mythology

literally aren't that strong

[split mortar]

And being a god means they are planet level why??

Depending on the setting

A god couls be like, building level or even lower

[pulsar ocean]

wow calamity verse scales low

[split mortar]

Yeah

Cause if it scaled much higher

The lore would stop making sense

[manic coral]

not really it'd pretty average i'd say in comaprison to most media i consume

99% of media does not have planet busters and shit

[dull burrow]

I'd argue that a lot of universes just have terribly designed power scaling lmao

[pulsar ocean]

\

[dull burrow]

Like some very popular anime have a mc that will completely steamroll some insane divinity and then get folded 3 times by a dog or something

[manic coral]

this is honestly a whole other tangent i could go on as somebody who actually thinks stuff like this is cool

but also thinks it's been kinda ruined by some online discourse

[dull burrow]

I just don't like powerscaling between different IPs or universes most of the time because it's usually really hard to do so 😭 I'd rather delete all my socials than be in the same forums as the goku powerscalers

[manic coral]

mostly due to stuff like "this one thing makes them planetary level, but i will ignore the other 20 more clear things that clearly doesn't treat them at all that strong and ignore how the game actually represents their strength 99% of the time and treat this 1 outlier as how strong they actually are"

I can assure you as a writer and game developer that myself that it's really not hard to just say or show a character can destroy a planet or something

if the author and designers do want them to be that strong, they'll make that explicit in like 95% of cases

at least with just saying they're that strong

[young socket]

the most powerful mage still gets blindsided by a mimic,,,

[dull burrow]

But then comes the issue when the author wants to build an interesting story with their character but their strength become an issue because realistically they would be unstoppable so they find really weird ways to circumvent that

And then it just messes everything up and it's like

[split mortar]

Doesnt frieren like
Know its a 99% chance of a mimic and takes the 1% gamble anyways

[manic coral]

yeah no that's just her being autistic

[young socket]

yea

[dull burrow]

I feel like it's just easier from a storywriting perspective to create a character that isn't just craeily overpowzred

[pulsar ocean]

whats the time period between draedon making the normal mechs and the exos

[split mortar]

Not exactly blindsided then

[dull burrow]

I was literally thinking of Frieren this whole time lol

[manic coral]

unclear aside from exos starting at some point during the game taking place

[spare pier]

I think the funniest case for me is the WoL from 14

[young socket]

but the 1%

[spare pier]

Like, yeah they're planetary because they fucking tank a planet being thrown at them

[dull burrow]

But I mean, I think Frieren isn't really that, just by the nature of magic in the show. She knows a lot of magic but she also makes some basic mistakes because magic isn't just one linear skill, there are all kinds of areas that you need to improve on

[split mortar]

Id imagine normal mechs are early in crusade and exos are well
Post crusade

So like, idk 80 ish years?

[dull burrow]

And she's not the strongest character in the show regardless

[split mortar]

Thats serie isnt it

[dusk laurel]

serie my beloved

[dull burrow]

Yeah

[manic coral]

even in the manga (which i need to catch back up on btw) pretty sure Serie is still more powerful

[spare pier]

Serie is comically stronger

[split mortar]

Her restrained mana is wuite close to frierens unrestrained mana iirc

[dusk laurel]

yeah

[dull burrow]

I think Frieren is just a really good example of a really strong character that still has shortcomings that don't completely fuck up the powerscaling of the world

[spare pier]

Frieren was unsure she could beat Macht

Serie walked up to him and said

"Yeah I'd flatten you instantly"

[dull burrow]

Ah well I havent read the manga tbh

I don't wanna spoil myself anything regarding the story, I really enjoy the anime 😭 It's great

[manic coral]

yeha hence why

i am not saying anything

[dull burrow]

But anyway, we all know that I'd destroy goku and frieren in 3 seconds ☺️

[dusk laurel]

💥

[dusk laurel]

I don't want to get spoiled on Freerent either

[split mortar]

Yhall yharim yhon yhour yhrock

[dull burrow]

Beware calamity devs, im coming for your characters next 😈

[pulsar ocean]

i havent watched frieren aside from that one clip where she goes "kill yоursеlf"

[manic coral]

yeha no she legit jsut goes

[dull burrow]

You should watch it

[manic coral]

"yeah, kill yourself"

it's amazing

[languid badge]

ltg gif

[dull burrow]

A real breath of fresh air when it comes to anime

No yelling, no crazy extravagant scenes

But still really really entertaining

[split mortar]

Frieren casts blackhole

[manic coral]

It's not afraid to have a generic setting, becuase does neat things with it and the characters in it

[dull burrow]

I LOVE how they don't just have these massive lore dumps episodes

Looking at you aot...

[young socket]

stark is prob my favourite interpretation of a cowardly but very strong character in anime

or maybe

fiction in general

[languid badge]

s2 is later this year right

[manic coral]

he's not even COWARDLY

not any more than a normal person

[dull burrow]

I watched frieren right after finishing aot and god damn I enjoyed it a lot more

[dull burrow]

January 2026

[languid badge]

ah

[dull burrow]

😢

[young socket]

next year sadly

wish it was this year

[split mortar]

Ill watch frieren when that comes out then

[manic coral]

Frieren is VERY good

[dull burrow]

Just such a good anime

[split mortar]

Which is fair

[manic coral]

One of my favorites

[young socket]

watch NOW

[split mortar]

Noh

[dusk laurel]

frieren is awesome

[dull burrow]

The writers did a really good job at making it feel like you were taking part of the journey too

Especially with how the flashbacks are implemented

It feels like a recollection of the past and a testimony for the future instead of "Hey here's 40 minutes of pure information dump of the entire truth of what happened right before the finale of the story, enjoy!"

I swear I got beef with aot for that

[limpid saddle]

thats the kinda story Attack On Titan is

[spare pier]

That's why One Piece is better iirc

[limpid saddle]

it's a big fuckin crazy ass intertwining narrative

[manic coral]

i'm a dragon ball girl

[dull burrow]

And I think they did a terrible job at properly explaining it I'm gonna be honest

It really feels like they dumped everything all of a sudden near the end

[limpid saddle]

It isnt a collective it's just Isayama

[dull burrow]

Compared to Frieren which is giving us small tidbits of information over time that allows us to actually understand things

[pulsar ocean]

vinland saga changed my life 10/10 best anime i ever watched

absolute cinema

[limpid saddle]

Well thats the point, it goes through every single event, & recontextualizes the entire fucking show in like 2 episodes

The plot twists so hard it develops scoliosis

[spare pier]

You know who recontextualizes the entire story in one phrase?

[dull burrow]

I suppose it's a matter of personal taste then but I really did not like that

[spare pier]

THAT'S RIGHT

ONE PIECE

[pulsar ocean]

is it when the guy says one piece is real

[split mortar]

Dammit
rebecca is having a moment, mods cant stop whats going to happen

-# not bad thing

[limpid saddle]

Each are in their own right distinctive works that deserve recognition but they cant really be compared

[spare pier]

Also spoil anything about it please Cei hasn't watched it yet

The One Piece is real thing doesn't need to tho even she knows that

[pulsar ocean]

i havent watched one piece only gonna watch it when the remake with good pacing and animation comes out

[spare pier]

You can read it too

[dull burrow]

I really can't be bothered to watch one piece 😭😭

Way too many episodes god damn

[manic coral]

honestly dragon ball is funny becuase imo

the anime is too slow paced

but the manga is too fast paced tbh

[limpid saddle]

You cant win it's true

[spare pier]

That's why you READ!!!!

[dull burrow]

The best part about dragon ball is the quebecois dub

[spare pier]

Each Chapter is like

5 minutes

[dull burrow]

Not even french pokemon tops that

[manic coral]

still prefer the manga though

[dull burrow]

And it's poissi poissi poissirène we're talking about

[keen oyster]

who is ilmeris

[manic coral]

it's a place

[limpid saddle]

Its a place

[split mortar]

Its a entire kingdom

[manic coral]

kingdom that was in what is now the desert and sunken sea

[light linden]

hey cei can I ask a question?

[pulsar ocean]

what is the place yharim is chilling at

[limpid saddle]

Thats fair, i've never read og dragon ball or dbz but i've been very slowly going through Super & it's honestly quite good

[manic coral]

only for $5

[light linden]

I don't even have money for food so

I'll ask someone else

[split mortar]

Dragons aerie, place where time doesnt pass

[robust osprey]

dragon's aerie probably

[manic coral]

boggles my mind but

glad you're nejoying it, i guess

[pulsar ocean]

so he cant die of old age

[split mortar]

Well it does for normal stuff

[limpid saddle]

I recently went to my local notreallyamangashopbutonlyllacearoundthatsellsmanga™️ to pick up volume 7, but i accidentally picked up volume 8 instead & didnt realise until i went home

[manic coral]

cosndiering you're missing like all context

[split mortar]

The land of the aerie is timeless

Yharim isnt of the aerie so he timed

[limpid saddle]

Oh no I meant I havent read

[robust osprey]

a really good excuse for zeratros secret boss imo

[manic coral]

AH

[pulsar ocean]

i should probably just skip the og dragon ball and go for dbz

[limpid saddle]

I've watched all of Z & like 40% of og

[manic coral]

in that case yeah no in terms of Super

the manga is just

the objectively better way to consume it

[split mortar]

Arent they the same thing in the manga

[manic coral]

in every way

it's better written

[pulsar ocean]

thatd be just copying elden ring quite literally

[manic coral]

it skips over some dumb stuff the anime does

[limpid saddle]

Goku Black arc my beloved

[manic coral]

toriyama himself was WAY more involved

[light linden]

hey rebecca can you answer a question by chance?

[manic coral]

and eyah toyotaro

[robust osprey]

I know jack shit about elden ring

[limpid saddle]

I loved the little 'Toriyama-sensei's corrections' bits at the end of each volume

[split mortar]

Strongest dragon can be faught cause time fuckery iirc

[pulsar ocean]

theres a secret boss in the location where time doesnt pass called dragon lord placidusax

[limpid saddle]

Rip the goat

[manic coral]

same

it's great

[robust osprey]

oh lmao

[manic coral]

seeing what changes were made

[limpid saddle]

Yeah I couldn't imagine wide-eyed Zamasu

But it's interesting to know he looked alot less threatening initially

[spare pier]

Shoot

[split mortar]

The timelessness is why only xeroc has been able to harm the aerie iirc

[spare pier]

Also guys

[split mortar]

Cause well
282828282828228 times 0 is uh, 0

[light linden]

is the sunken sea salt water or fresh water?

[split mortar]

Brackish

[spare pier]

Things can still die in the Aerie

[light linden]

what

[robust osprey]

but why did he harm it

for terminus?

[spare pier]

How the fuck would you kill Yharim otherwise?

[split mortar]

Execpt the grass

[spare pier]

[limpid saddle]

for funsies

[pulsar ocean]

poison his food

[spare pier]

I think fresh water

[split mortar]

Well
Yeah? It is quite durable and has ties to it so i wouldnt be surprised its also aerie stuff

Though then how was it used to end a era…

[limpid saddle]

That makes sense

[manic coral]

fresh-ish water

[split mortar]

Its between the two iirc

[limpid saddle]

I can imagine the water of the sunken sea being very tasty & refreshing

[languid badge]

throw him off a clip and allow him to fall out of it

[keen oyster]

what were auric dragons

[robust osprey]

end the fovos war thingy maybe?

[manic coral]

like still filter it first or something but

but like

[pulsar ocean]

who threw terminus into the deepest layer of abyss

[robust osprey]

or the golden era of dragons

[manic coral]

if you do yeah it's drinkable

[limpid saddle]

what would happen if you drank sunken sea water raw

[split mortar]

Dragons who got gifted auric souls

Or well

Handed them

[pulsar ocean]

by whom

[keen oyster]

whats an auric soul

[robust osprey]

doesn't xeroc says he did it or am I misremembering

or is it non canon

[limpid saddle]

The thing that gives auric dragons their domains & makes people Gods if they eat them

[split mortar]

Yeah he did

[sleek halo]

mfw things don’t die in the aerie

[pulsar ocean]

why tho

[sleek halo]

which would also mean

[limpid saddle]

I believe there is a line about him discarding Terminus

[sleek halo]

tbings don’t come back

in the aerie

which means

uh gg Yharon

[split mortar]

A special soul related to the world souls split shards that can grant a domain and vast power to most who have them

[split mortar]

Well
Its possibly the strongest artefact in the world

Like

Possibly the key for perfect ascension

[pulsar ocean]

but it summons boss rush

[split mortar]

Xeroc does that

[keen oyster]

so whats the dragon cult

[split mortar]

We just get their attention with it

[robust osprey]

it summons it beacuse you get the attention of xeroc by ussing it yeah

and xeroc just makes copies of the bosses

[limpid saddle]

The terminus outta batteries

Xeroc sees you have it & goes 'oh shit i thought jared had that how did you get it?'

[pulsar ocean]

moonlord cultists from the vanilla but dragon themed and theyre in kahoots with yharim

[split mortar]

The cult that lunatic cultist runs and also keeps the beast descended from the stars trapped on the moon (moonlord)
Also let yharim use their dungeon and put spells to protect ceaseless void

[split mortar]

They were
Not anymore thanks to polterghast

[limpid saddle]

'Protect' doesnt sound quite right

[keen oyster]

so does yharim not care abt polter?

[robust osprey]

polter my boy

[limpid saddle]

It seems more like they had it sealed away

[split mortar]

Not really

[dusk laurel]

magical portal turret

[limpid saddle]

Well it seems as though after being stared upon by Noxus after looking into Ceaseless Void, Yharim tweaked out so bad he immideatly cut all supply lines & communication to the dungeon & left

So it seems like he probably repressed it's existence until you come around & stab it to death

[keen oyster]

so what do the dragon cult do abt polter

just let it vibe?

[limpid saddle]

They are it

because they are also dead

[dusk laurel]

They can't do anything except seal it a bit

[limpid saddle]

outside of like

[split mortar]

Well not the entire cult

[limpid saddle]

12 dudes

[spare pier]

Lunatic Cultist looks very alive for me

[split mortar]

But yeah polter is made of basically half the people who died in the dungeon

[keen oyster]

so are the eidolists dead or just mutated?

[limpid saddle]

love it when people ignore all further statements i make

[limpid saddle]

mutated

[split mortar]

Mutated

[keen oyster]

so they just dont care abt polter or cultist

[limpid saddle]

The Eidolists are just sorta there

They cant really help them or have any reason to kill them

So they just hang around in the Abyss

[split mortar]

Hell
Being made for abyss they may die leaving

[keen oyster]

is there a lore reason for polter being post ml

[dusk laurel]

many many many powerful souls

[split mortar]

Its made out of like
Thousands or tens of thousands of souls, of which are like the strongest ones a normal person can get

[limpid saddle]

Yeah one can assume the Dungeon was staffed by Yharim's finest & home to the greatest enemies to the Crusades

So they could torture them until they gave up information, presumably like how to find the God they worked under

[split mortar]

That is canonically the case iirc

[keen oyster]

wb bloodworms and oldduke

[robust osprey]

so yharim vs swats is canon?

[keen oyster]

is that just for balancing reasons

[robust osprey]

shocking

[limpid saddle]

old duke is just an old guy

[dusk laurel]

bloodworms will die

Old Duke is NOT just an old guy

[robust osprey]

bummer

[limpid saddle]

he's a really really old guy

[robust osprey]

dragon (kinda)

(not auric)

[dusk laurel]

Old Duke is stronger than most beings in the mod

[keen oyster]

so is he affected by sulph sea

like if hes old cant he just move away when it got nasty

[limpid saddle]

probably given if you uh look at him

[dusk laurel]

Why would he

[split mortar]

Bloodworms are a food old duke likes but they are getting removed

Old duke is uh, the oldest fishron alive to the point its species evolved and has endured and fought a lot for its power and is also just straight up like enslaving children

[dusk laurel]

He doesn't live in the toxic water

He only hunts in it

[limpid saddle]

Though most of his features can be attributed to the greatest disease of all

old

[robust osprey]

• dragon (kinda)
• applies slavery

yharim is having a heart attack

[keen oyster]

enslaving children hello

[spare pier]

It's funny how before playing Shadow of the Erdtree I was kinda whatever on Old Duke's new stuff

[keen oyster]

where

[spare pier]

And then I got to Bayle and

Yeah no

It's peak

[dusk laurel]

Wrong

Acid burns did a number on him

Current design is just a crusty fishron

[limpid saddle]

Yeah but that's not really clear in the current design

which is the one we have

[dusk laurel]

Ahem

[split mortar]

The rework sprites we have been shown

Its sharkron minions are being replaced with rotting abused fishron children iirc

[limpid saddle]

rebecca deploy the new old duke sprite

[split mortar]

I can just post it in spoiler chat

[dusk laurel]

#calamity-update-talk message

Here

Note

This is a WORK IN PROGRESS

[split mortar]

Yea

[keen oyster]

he is very happy

[limpid saddle]

oh cool it's been updated

[keen oyster]

indeed

[limpid saddle]

his wings look less fucked than the last one

[dusk laurel]

That was months ago

[split mortar]

September

[dusk laurel]

His public redesign has not been updated in months

[split mortar]

I miss ehen we got old duke spoils

[limpid saddle]

What, you think I 'go to other channels'?

I am only ever here

[dusk laurel]

Not really

[magic epoch]

I miss when we got caamity...

[limpid saddle]

& sometimes #general-media

[dusk laurel]

There's a date

[limpid saddle]

My point isn't that, my point is that I don't know about things unless I get told about them here

[late veldt]

Did the DoG leave the crusade?

[dusk laurel]

Nop

There's just less activity

Also we haven't really gotten the dialogue rewrites that will just have everyone shit on DoG

[limpid saddle]

Nah he's just killing less people because all of the people to kill are dead already

[dusk laurel]

Wrong

There's still more to kill

They all are just really good at running away

[keen oyster]

so do ppl just not like dog cause hes annoying?

[limpid saddle]

Ok there's 2 gods he can't find & a gay ninja

[dusk laurel]

That's half of the story

[limpid saddle]

for all intents & purposes

[split mortar]

Dog is a character thats fun to hate imo

[dusk laurel]

Wrong

There's more than 2 left

[limpid saddle]

everyone he needs to kill is dead

[late veldt]

theres way more gods than that

like 25-50

[split mortar]

Theres more but yeah heavily reduced numbers

[keen oyster]

gay ninja?

[dusk laurel]

What playing on 1 continent does to a person

[split mortar]

Statis

[limpid saddle]

Statis

He does summoner accessories & is a cyborg

[late veldt]

They just don't generally go to the fuckdeath murder continent

[keen oyster]

which part of that makes him gay

or is it both

[split mortar]

The fact he has a boyfriend

[limpid saddle]

the fact he is in love with a gay druid

called braelor

[spare pier]

Not exactly

Like

[split mortar]

Being in a gay relationship tends to mean you aint straight

[limpid saddle]

that is in hyper-uber mega hell (the distortion)

[spare pier]

I think the Guns Dealer would like DoG

[dusk laurel]

thumby

[spare pier]

Tax Collector is probably gonna be the funniest to write

Because

Yeah no he's 100% pro Yharim

[keen oyster]

wait i thought both of them got eaten by dog or smt

[split mortar]

PFFT

[dusk laurel]

Azafurian hog

literally

[limpid saddle]

isnt it miraculous how i tend to not consider the things we will never see ever

[split mortar]

They did get sent to distortion
Signus got statis out for a arm and leg

[limpid saddle]

is he the kinda guy that hangs a confederate flag above his bed

[dusk laurel]

They weren't eaten, just teleported

[late veldt]

oh shit the vanilla npcs too?

[spare pier]

Yeah

[keen oyster]

hence the cyborgity?

[split mortar]

Yep

[dusk laurel]

i understand the tax collector hate even more

he's a hog

[late veldt]

Yaaaay the painter can yell at me for explaining paint 17 times to someone who has the spacial awareness of a peanut

[limpid saddle]

wow no wonder he was doomed to eternal suffering

[split mortar]

Literally a arm and leg to escape the fucked up eldritch dimension
-# brealy didnt get a escape tho:(

[spare pier]

Most characters don't like Yharim obviously, I think it's like

[split mortar]

8 ‘eand to say brealy

Beralor

Fuck

[dusk laurel]

Bear a lore

[split mortar]

Braelor

There

[limpid saddle]

melon gun stroke arc

[keen oyster]

hope in the future i can have them move in together

[split mortar]

Nah its just late
My spelling fuxoksn dies when late

[split mortar]

They will both be npcs we can meet
Hopefully we can get them together

[late veldt]

Can't wait to move the racist old man in next to the sea king

[limpid saddle]

[split mortar]

Wtf that a emote?

wtf

[spare pier]

Ok actually literally no one likes Yharim so I'm going to say who either is pro Yharim or another

[dusk laurel]

Yooo

pre-update shaming

[limpid saddle]

get out your pens chat

[spare pier]

Merchant - Doesn't care
Angler - Doesn't care
Demolitionist - Kinda pro?
Gun Dealer - Kinda pro?
Tax Collector - Pro Yharim

[late veldt]

oh no

[dusk laurel]

Makes sense

[late veldt]

a centrist

and a child

[dusk laurel]

the Azafurians are slightly leaning towards Yharim

[young socket]

ofc the rich capitalist is in favour for yharim

[robust osprey]

Merchant cares beacuse yharim wiped 300 million possible buyers

[split mortar]

Sending demolitionist and gun guy to the auric house

And tax collector

[dusk laurel]

I don't think that's the reason tbh

[spare pier]

They're kinda pro Yharim because, as you can guess

They made a lot of money during the Crusade

[split mortar]

Actually nah they go close to scal, get told to fuck off

[young socket]

U FOOL

IT WAS THE REASON

[dusk laurel]

thanks for the ping

[keen oyster]

wait so do npcs view azafure as an scal thing or a yharim thing

[split mortar]

No problem

[dusk laurel]

idc about you pinging me

[split mortar]

Oh ok

[robust osprey]

a city

[limpid saddle]

I think the Arms Dealer is just pro war in general

[light linden]

what if they ping you with a polybreon?

[robust osprey]

guide is azafurian

[late veldt]

why is the tax collector all fucked up and tortured soul ey in calamity anyways

[dusk laurel]

i will shred you

[keen oyster]

azafure is the one that got burnt right?

[limpid saddle]

He doesnt seem to actually back anything Yharim stands for he just likes getting rich

[dusk laurel]

specifically you

[split mortar]

Caught in cross fire of brimfuckery and prob got fucked up by that idk

[split mortar]

Yeah
By scal and brimmy fughting

[robust osprey]

yes it got wiped out by brimmy and ~10 yo Scal (Scal tried to protect)

[dusk laurel]

Azafure was the former home to like at least 4 npcs

[keen oyster]

yeah so whos fault do npcs view it as

[dusk laurel]

I think

[dusk laurel]

yharim didnt do jack shit

[split mortar]

Brimstone elementals i thinko

[dusk laurel]

mainly scal and brimmy

[robust osprey]

brimmy just wake up

and wanted to kill

[keen oyster]

i thought i remembered smt old abt yharim telling scal to do it

[split mortar]

Old lore

[keen oyster]

ah

[split mortar]

Before brimmy woke up scal was a normal person

[robust osprey]

Scal lost beacuse brimstone magic vs living brimstone, and well, 10 years old

[split mortar]

And then when brimmy did

Suddenly post ml strong???

[split mortar]

It was said to be a tie wasnt it?

[dusk laurel]

yes

[split mortar]

Fire vs fire

Well tie as in neither were hurting eachother i imagine

[robust osprey]

I mean Scal tried to protect the city and it got destroyed, I'd count that as a lost

[split mortar]

Fair

[keen oyster]

so before that fight was hell not hell-y?

[dusk laurel]

yeah

Yharim comments about this

[keen oyster]

so did their fight kill all of hell

i thought it was just the crag

[dusk laurel]

not really

just Azafure

although Azafure was in like the best area of the underworld so

it evens out

[late veldt]

the hell we explore is all azafure though ain't it?

[split mortar]

Only crags

Which is the outskirts

[keen oyster]

so whats the rest of hell

[split mortar]

So far

[late veldt]

so what's with the cities?

[split mortar]

Natural hell wildlife except for the buildings

[dusk laurel]

currently no

the main part of the city will be added later

[split mortar]

Houses built outside azafure or something

[keen oyster]

ok so before it was just the same but not lava-y?

[dusk laurel]

it was the exact same

but less run down

[split mortar]

Its always been lava

[keen oyster]

so was azafure lava-y?

[split mortar]

Yeah much more people would be there, so wild life would be like
Not a problem

[robust osprey]

yes

[keen oyster]

ah right

[dusk laurel]

yeah, there are like ruined towns everywhere

[split mortar]

It had lava, lava hotter then the calamity sun

But it was also a giant fucking city

[robust osprey]

and beacuse of that most of azafurians got gray skin and horns I think

[keen oyster]

so whats the deal with the guide

[robust osprey]

not native

probably just migrated there

[dusk laurel]

native azafurians had those features to be more specific

[split mortar]

Uh
Dont think we fully know yet

[keen oyster]

and what abt wof?

[dusk laurel]

you know

a lot of these questions can be answered in the lore doc

[split mortar]

God essence containment thing long before DoG came about

[robust osprey]

wof is a construct made by yharim to do DoG's work before DoG

[keen oyster]

so the guide voodoo doll is just a remnant from base game?

[dusk laurel]

no

that will be explained

[robust osprey]

guide has ties with wof

[split mortar]

No but we dunno the connections currently

[dusk laurel]

guide has connections

[keen oyster]

ah right

[dusk laurel]

it's just really vague since we haven't seen them ingame yet

[keen oyster]

whats signus and void supposed to be

[light linden]

void is a portal

[dusk laurel]

signus is a being from the distortion

[keen oyster]

have they been around before dog?

[dusk laurel]

ceaseless is a portal likely made by Noxus

yes

[robust osprey]

signus is a guy who is very high in the hierarchy

[dusk laurel]

they are likely older than DoG

[light linden]

signus is basically a demon from another dimension who likes making deals

[dusk laurel]

not another dimension

[light linden]

as I said

[dusk laurel]

that was already debunked

[keen oyster]

so are they more or less powerful than dog

[light linden]

"basically"

[keen oyster]

cause i thought old = strong basically

[dusk laurel]

less

[light linden]

less

[dusk laurel]

look at progression for example

DoG is after both of them

[light linden]

but DoG is little more than a puppet for noxus

[keen oyster]

how is smt made from noxus weaker than dog

by*

[light linden]

void is a portal

[robust osprey]

it's just a portal

[dusk laurel]

Signus was not made by Noxus

[light linden]

nothing more nothing less

the fight is you fighting defenses that the dragon cult set

[dusk laurel]

ceaseless' strength comes majorly from a seal put on it by the dragoncult

[keen oyster]

so what happens when we "kill" it

[dusk laurel]

we don't

it opens up

[light linden]

eventually you won't

[keen oyster]

thats why i put ""

[robust osprey]

you'll be able to use cv

[light linden]

you'll be able to go through it and access the distortion

[robust osprey]

as a portal

[dusk laurel]

it will eventually act as the portal to the distortion

when that gets added

[light linden]

🐌

[light linden]

oh also DoG will eventually force you into there

[keen oyster]

is the distortion just gonna be a dog arena subworld?

[dusk laurel]

phase 2 transition

[dusk laurel]

No

[light linden]

not quite

[keen oyster]

i thought dog can just go there whenever tho

[dusk laurel]

Distortion is an actual place

with different biomes

[keen oyster]

wouldnt he show up and kill you

[light linden]

there's gonna be more to it but it will both serve as the phase 2 arena and as where you get cosmilite

[robust osprey]

DoG will pull you there, but not exclusive to dog fight

[dusk laurel]

^

there will be 2 stages of distortion exploration afaik

[robust osprey]

you will be able to find braelor there probably

[dusk laurel]

postCV

and postDoG

[light linden]

oh it's also supposed to change after you beat DoG

[keen oyster]

i remember 2 phase yharon

that was neat

[light linden]

well ig I'm the 🐌 this time lol

[keen oyster]

stage*

[dusk laurel]

phase 2 yharon is still a thing

the regen will be brought back in the future

[languid badge]

not the same

[keen oyster]

i meant when you had to kill it once to regen phase and then again

oh cool

[light linden]

iirc most post-ml bosses getting reworked

[dusk laurel]

most bosses more accurately

[light linden]

except for exo mechs and maybe not scal

[dusk laurel]

exos, scal, provi

[light linden]

that's what I said

[split mortar]

Isnt that for design

[dusk laurel]

they arent really getting big changes

[light linden]

provi is getting changed

[dusk laurel]

her fight isnt going to be changed much

her sprite will sure

[keen oyster]

is the provi we fight still like barely charged?

[robust osprey]

no that's scal exos and leviana

[dusk laurel]

but not the fight

rework =/= redesign or resprite

[dusk laurel]

no

[limpid saddle]

It'll also be where we find liquid cosmolite (if the devs can make it work) & where the Noxus fight will happen presumably if we get so far as Superbosses

[light linden]

yes it is

"iirc most post-ml bosses getting reworked"

[dusk laurel]

i said a more general thing

[robust osprey]

not most bosses

[dusk laurel]

you specified postML

[robust osprey]

you said only post ml

[light linden]

mb then

[dusk laurel]

it's fine

[split mortar]

She is at “full power” when we fight her

I put quotation marks cause she gave a big bit of power to the guardians, blue fire providence is the true full power i guess

Either way she cant just wait and be stronger like old lore, in her current situation she is fighting at full capacity

[dusk laurel]

the most she can hope for is getting more followers

and even then

[keen oyster]

so how does she hide for so long

[dusk laurel]

her whole deal is a niche thing in terms of appeal

she doesn't 'hide' per say

[split mortar]

She can just teleport sway

[dusk laurel]

it's more like she just moves around a lot

[split mortar]

Yeah

[keen oyster]

so do servants have a p good idea where she is but just cant catch her?

[dusk laurel]

what

sentinels?

[keen oyster]

yeah

[dusk laurel]

they arent sentinels anymore fyi

[keen oyster]

what are they

[dusk laurel]

bosses

they arent associated anymore

[split mortar]

Thats old lore

Instead she out ran yharim, scal, draedon, yharon and dogs attempts

[dusk laurel]

heck, they probably will be separated if SW and Signus get retiered

[split mortar]

Well they are

Diatortion related

Thats it

[dusk laurel]

that doesnt count [its like saying everyone else is related because they are from terraria yk]

[keen oyster]

are they still on yharims side or just there in the world

[dusk laurel]

not really

1 is a portal

1 is an animal

and the other doesnt work for or with Yharim

[keen oyster]

so is there a reason theyre needed for cosmic worm or is that just progression?

[split mortar]

Storm weaver is a super apex predator from distortion

Ceaseless is a portal there with a extreme amount of energy in it

Signus is equal to noxus in hierarchy and makes faustian deals

[split mortar]

They arent needed

[dusk laurel]

that will very likely be changed in the future

[split mortar]

You can fight dog post ml

[keen oyster]

oh neat

is dragonfolly required for yharon just cause theyre semi related?

[dusk laurel]

alternate recipes my behated

[dusk laurel]

we dont really know

they used to be directly related via cloning

[languid badge]

dragonfolly isnt required for yharon

[split mortar]

Might get changed but we dunno
We know folly isnt a offshoot of yharon tho

[keen oyster]

was that when it was bumblebirb my beloved or after that was changed

[dusk laurel]

after

[split mortar]

Tbf we still have to fight its species

[languid badge]

fair

[keen oyster]

so dragonfolly is just another animal

is there a reason its powerful?

[dusk laurel]

it's an auric dragon descendent [normal dragon]

[split mortar]

Draconic offshoot

And also among the stronger offshoots iirc

[dusk laurel]

yeah

[keen oyster]

are fishron offshoots but just less pure or smt?

[split mortar]

Yeah theyre offshoots

[dusk laurel]

modern fishrons are weaker

not really less pure

BUT

ancient fishrons were different

[split mortar]

Yeah modern fishrons are weaker then old fishrons

[keen oyster]

there a reason why they changed?

[split mortar]

Evolutions

[dusk laurel]

evolution

we dont know how old duke is

born sometime in the middle of the draconic era

so at least 2000 years

given how the writers said evolution doesnt really work faster than in real life

[split mortar]

This is referring to old duke not duke fishron

[dusk laurel]

id say tens of thousands of years personally

[keen oyster]

so whats the aerie

is it for all dragons or just auric ones or smt

[split mortar]

Auric

[dusk laurel]

the aerie is a floating contient where the auric dragons would revive whenever they died

[split mortar]

The land and plants there also are just
Timeless

So yharim
Despite his power and exo auric armour

Cant scratch a blade of grass there

[keen oyster]

are all dragons descended from auric dragons?

[dusk laurel]

maybe

[split mortar]

Unlikely id say

Cause dragons predate auric dragons

[dusk laurel]

yeah

the auric dragons used to be just normal dragons

before they did some shit

[split mortar]

Then they got given the silly souls

[keen oyster]

by who

or how

[dusk laurel]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[split mortar]

World soul shattered and some of them found out how to use the shards somehow iirc

[dusk laurel]

thats the popular and most credible theory

[keen oyster]

whats the world soul?

and whyd it shatter

[split mortar]

Good question

[dusk laurel]

this

[split mortar]

We dunno

[dusk laurel]

it just existed

[split mortar]

Just well
Since living things get souls

The world potentiall was alive

But may have died??

[cloud ibex]

resisting every urge to make a Grime comparison rn

[pulsar ocean]

Would calamitas like skibidi toilet

[sinful adder]

I don't think so

[pliant ruin]

shes 28 not 8

[snow orbit]

the creator of skibidi toilet is like 25+ and he clearly likes the stuff he makes to keep going

[rotund shore]

Surely he’s making skibidi toilet mostly for the money

[pliant ruin]

i too would like skibidi toilet if making it would make me rich

[manic coral]

profile picture backs up this statement

[light linden]

cei can I ask a question or will you charge me money to?

[manic coral]

$10 now

ok seriously though what it is

[rotund shore]

LMAO

I haven’t seen much of NSO so im gonna assume ame is making brainrot YouTube shorts in it

[late veldt]

I thought she was like

in her 40s

[manic coral]

she can do a lot of different sorts of things

[rotund shore]

That game looks cool but also probably too much for me

[manic coral]

yes it's not an easy recommend

it is fucked up to hell and back

[light linden]

are there whales in calamity?

[manic coral]

idk

[light linden]

I just realized that idt I've ever seen one

or mention of one

[late veldt]

I don't think there's enough space in the ocean for them to be added to the base game

[manic coral]

i mean, she expicitly was a child when yharim first met her

and that was like

[light linden]

I was thinking more of sky whales than anything tbh

[manic coral]

15-16 years ago

[late veldt]

ahe

[manic coral]

at least before the game starts

so less making her solidly 28

at more so

at LEAST 28

since how long the game takes place over is left to preference and interpertation

[late veldt]

2 seconds, my guy is any%ing regicide

[wooden shadow]

Going by how long my average playthroughs last, my Terrarians are going on a five year adventure before they get to kill Yharim

[late veldt]

12 year fishing break

[wooden shadow]

Trip to therapy (gonna last 20 years) (5000 platinum coins)

[late veldt]

bro who's your therapist, the goblin tinkerer????

[rotund shore]

I always end up seeing it as like a year or two personally
Which is arguably really short for how much happens but yknow

[manic coral]

i personally interpert it more as 4 or 5

[rotund shore]

I can see that

[manic coral]

is progression of like, on averge, a boss a month-ish or so in-universe

though opbviously not alwyas accurate like i imagine all three mech fights happening ins like a week

or two

seeing as they all have the same reasons for attacking and are all relative to eachother in strength

[light linden]

been meaning to ask cei

are there any boss summoning items that are canon?

[manic coral]

some

which ones are are fairly obvious i feel so i wont say much on that

[light linden]

huh?

I-

ok ig

[indigo glade]

Seafood is most likely canon.

[manic coral]

like obviously stuff like Exotic Pheremones have an in-universe explaination already

[late veldt]

i mean even that's still way longer than it takes in terms of ingame time

[manic coral]

and then there's stuff like EoC's summon eye which just doesn't make sense at all in-universe

[late veldt]

like it's 1500ish hours for a year in game time

[manic coral]

• EoC already has a natural spawn method

[manic coral]

each hour is a minute

so 24 minutes a day times 365, 8,760 minutes

so

[late veldt]

and that is where I fucked up the math

[manic coral]

not even close

[wooden shadow]

Eye of Cthulhu is just looking for a meal. He's just a little guy

[manic coral]

an in-game year passing would be 146 hours

[light linden]

I thought it was 145?

[late veldt]

If a usual playthrough is like 200 hours that's hardly over a year

[manic coral]

dividing by 60 to get an amount of hours

[light linden]

me with 2000 hours on one world

[manic coral]

and yeah msot in-game cla playthroughs range from like

[late veldt]

Mine are longer than that

[manic coral]

40-80

[rotund shore]

Generally speaking I think my calamity playthroughs are more like 30-40 tops

[manic coral]

most

there are some outliers

like me

[rotund shore]

< has only finished one full playthrough

[wooden shadow]

Time to play the game for 730 hours to get the feel of a five year journey

[late veldt]

I think I just spend an insane amount of time in game

[rotund shore]

I need go work on finishing my current playthrough but that isn’t lore related so I’ll discuss that elsewhere

[manic coral]

which yeah i guess i'll actually discuss how i myself itnerpert the timeframe in-game

pre-boss is something i imagine happening more over like

3-4 months

[wooden shadow]

My playthroughs only last so long due to a mix of focusing on building and also only playing once or twice a week

[manic coral]

i feel like most bosses on the same tier are realistically fought not TOO far away from eachother

[rotund shore]

I need to try building in this game one of these days

I kind of wanna make houses for amidias, permafrost, and cal

[wooden shadow]

Building is great downtime in Terraria. Helps add a natural way of extending the playthrough

[manic coral]

like Analevi and Aureus being like two weeks apart or so ig is how i always imagine it

[wooden shadow]

Same with fishing

[real silo]

My builder character has been building for almost a year straight famn

It's at like 116 hours rn

[manic coral]

tbh it's been a while since ive played cla since i don't lie

i think it'll fele unplayable to be if i do before SSO is finished

i do plan on doing anything playthrough after it's out though

[wooden shadow]

Cei, what boss battle do you think would last the longest in-universe?

[manic coral]

the fact that soem stuff regading lore isn't changed or in yet will bother me

[manic coral]

Xeroc

easy

in you mean in-game

that's a more complex question

[rotund shore]

I can’t wait for SSO
Well, objectively speaking I am and will proceed to wait

[manic coral]

probably the exo mechs or the wall of flesh

[late veldt]

you accidentally open the bestiary and every blood vessel in your brain simultaneously bursts

[manic coral]

acutally

nah gotta give it to wall of flesh

i think that's the abttle that'd realistically last the longest in-universe

[rotund shore]

I can get that

[real silo]

Why waffle specifically

[wooden shadow]

Nice

[manic coral]

I mean, it was literally build to hold and store, is it GIGANTIC

it's basiclaly a glorified storage crate

[rotund shore]

WoF is like inconceivable massive

[wooden shadow]

I've been starving for Amidias lore since the rewrite

[manic coral]

it'd need to be durable to survive any attacks on it that were attempted

rebecca will have ya covered probably on that

[rotund shore]

I have little personal experience in destroying magical masses of flesh but I can’t imagine it’s easy

[manic coral]

wall of flesh isn't made for fighting, but it is made for durability

[late veldt]

very durable indeed! pulls out zenith

[manic coral]

the only "attacks" it has are highly basic

[gaunt sluice]

a e u g h

[manic coral]

ramming into things despertaly and shooting basic beams

and sapwning things here and there from it

[gaunt sluice]

can you imagine how actually terrifying it would be though

[real silo]

How does the player kill it so quickly

[gaunt sluice]

s t a r c a n n o n

[late veldt]

That's a great question how the hell do you kill it quickly it always takes me ages

[manic coral]

i fele like it's sorta a case of like, ok, something a wanna elaborate on

it's not a matter of destroyign it nessesarily

[rotund shore]

A lot of wofs attacks do feel like they were added to it so any riffraff doesn’t try to destroy it

[manic coral]

make one hole

one truly open would

and it's likea floodgate

everything comes bursting out

all you need to do to kill it is make a deep enough wound

[rotund shore]

Piñata except you’re releasing god essence, delicious

[manic coral]

then is basically just collapses