lore-discussion

[cosmic zenith]

*Champion of Slime God is speculation

[hoary berry]

HOPONRP IS BACK!!!

[cyan coyote]

Hello chat

I have returned with a silly question

If Xeroc didn't had an pure ascension, what would his domain be

[stoic gulch]

Still primordial light probably

Just not as strong

[split mortar]

Could have been something like uh

Normal light, or if xeroc was lucky

Just the actual sun as domain and not its light
Though just speculating

[humble fog]

fireball in enclosed room

[limpid saddle]

Seems like he'd end up with Domain over shadows if we're speculatong

[tidal tulip]

"Edgelord God"

[split mortar]

And they dont try uh
Stabbing xeroc
-# and is also a child

[split mortar]

iirc its possible xeroc may already have domain over shadows

[cyan coyote]

Wait wut

[split mortar]

Dev statement has suggested that idea has floated around

That zeratros and xeroc have light and the shadows casted by their light under their domain

[limpid saddle]

Yeah thats why I think if he got down-graded Shadows would be the only thing he presides over

[cyan coyote]

The god of shadows sounds pretty edgy

But it'll be a cool concept if properly done

[split mortar]

Theres the god of sacrifices tbf

And we fight its revived corpse

-# ravager

[cyan coyote]

Anyways I will never forgive Xeroc for taking Zeratros's auric soul 🙏

[limpid saddle]

uhhh why?

[split mortar]

Zeratros was going to die anyways

[light linden]

you sure Xeroc took it?

[cyan coyote]

He sounded like he could have been one more dragon to "adore" over

Oh my god the lag

[light linden]

ok for context

there's reason to believe not all dragons had their souls taken by force

[split mortar]

Yharim, a person who wants to make it seem as good as possible

Says zeratros would have permanently died

As jn

Yharon wouldnt be able to rebirth them

[light linden]

and that some gave them up willingly

specifically in the case of Xeroc, Otonilou, and Silva

[cyan coyote]

Coolio

[cyan coyote]

Would yharon be abled to rebirth someone stronger than him

[split mortar]

Yes

[light linden]

yes

[split mortar]

The requirement is they have auric soul

[limpid saddle]

There is exactly one bad thing you can blame Xeroc for & it's accidentally starting the Dragon Hunts like 800 years ago

[split mortar]

Not be weaker

[light linden]

it's a bit up in the air whether they can revive gods

he likely wouldn't want to though

[split mortar]

I imagine very unlikely tho

[light linden]

eh

I'd argue two

[limpid saddle]

Given their souls explode when they die one would assume not

[cyan coyote]

Can bro make an exception for momma Silva 🙏

[gaunt sluice]

Silva NPC when

[split mortar]

Silva cant die

[limpid saddle]

Never

[light linden]

there's that and him not stopping yharim

[limpid saddle]

She is dirt

[light linden]

she's immortal

[split mortar]

She isnt dead
She doesnt need rebirthing

[limpid saddle]

You can have a thrilling conversation with the planty mush

[gaunt sluice]

Dang that's almost worse

[light linden]

jokes aside

[gaunt sluice]

Cause now she's stuck like this

[light linden]

having some kind of convo with silva would be cool

[split mortar]

Eh, she is slowly piecing herself back together

[light linden]

she takes a while to regrow though

[split mortar]

Yeah

[cyan coyote]

I ate the mush by turning it into life fruits

[limpid saddle]

Give it 300 years she'll be fine

[gaunt sluice]

Silva got Kronos vibes

[split mortar]

[light linden]

I imagine that being dumped in radioactive water might've caused issues with her regrowing

[split mortar]

And then suddenly the most pressurised water ever aswell

[light linden]

bits of her likely got diluted all over the sulphurous sea and abyss

[gaunt sluice]

I might try to build a custom world from scratch

[cyan coyote]

Bro's corpse got obliterated 😭

[light linden]

we also don't know how bad of a shape she was in

[split mortar]

Not the first time she been sent down in the abyss lol

[light linden]

she could've just been a head, she could've just been badly burned

[limpid saddle]

I think it's the fact she is so deep in the water that she's cozied up next to the ruins of Azafure

[cyan coyote]

I believe yharim chopped her up makima style

Because yharim disposed of Silva's "remains"

[limpid saddle]

Not exactly an enviornment that sustains or supports life

[cyan coyote]

Makes me think he chopped her up then dumped her flesh down

[limpid saddle]

So much so she had to literally force it to

[cyan coyote]

I wonder what crime did Silva do to have Yharim targetting her

[mighty zenith]

be a god

thats literally it

[split mortar]

Be a goddess

[cyan coyote]

Wow ok

[mighty zenith]

thats the requirement for yharim to put you on his hit list

you could be steve fucking rogers as a god and he'd slaughter you

[split mortar]

Yharim from the start uh
Wanted to genocide all gods wether good or bad he didnt care

[gaunt sluice]

An ascended god at least

[split mortar]

Same thing in calamity

[gaunt sluice]

Astrum Deus

[cyan coyote]

Didn't he sent DoG to jump deus

[mighty zenith]

no

[split mortar]

Old lore

-# lore got completely rewrit near 2 years ago

-# new writers aswell

[limpid saddle]

No Deus is just worshipped as a God it isn't actually a God

It's just a species of big space worms

[split mortar]

Turn deus into space spaghetti

[cosmic minnow]

Y’all remember when deus would bring his whole family to the fight ?

[cosmic minnow]

Im pretty sure yharim is just racist towards gods

[split mortar]

And lihzahrds

-# probably ilmerans aswell but thats unconfirmed

[coarse grove]

hello lore lovers, completely random question - what bosses are connected to draedon in any way?

[pulsar ocean]

how did zeratros get badly injured by moonlord he cant be that strong

[split mortar]

Mech bosses
Pbg
Aureus
Exo mechs

Might be other bosses but those are off the top of my head

[split mortar]

Moonlord is that strong at full power

Second strongest character in calamity if it were full power

[coarse grove]

well, i believe he also constructed dogs armor

[split mortar]

Ah by that logic so would yharim

[pulsar ocean]

so having legs puts moonlord like above noxus and below xeroc

[split mortar]

Yes

[cloud ibex]

And organs

And a lower half

And the top of his skull

[coarse grove]

well, yea

reading the lore doc rn, yharims armor has some exo shit

[split mortar]

And been trapped without food and water for 8 centuries

[split mortar]

Yup
Draedon buffed it a few months ago

[cloud ibex]

Well do we know if ML even needs sustenance

[mighty zenith]

wdym

[cloud ibex]

For all we know he could fuel himself entirely through hatred for the mortal world

[mighty zenith]

he's been eating the cheese

from the moon

[split mortar]

Fair

[coarse grove]

draedon is also connected to the sulphurous sea, huh

[cloud ibex]

Yea he made it worse

[split mortar]

Dropped nukes and nuclear waste in it

[pulsar ocean]

pre ascension is pre asbsorbing the auric soul right?
how did xeroc have the sigil on his head is that like an cosmetic accessory how do i get that

[coarse grove]

nice.

[pliant ruin]

draedon is connected to alot of stuff

hes got a ton of presence ingame

[split mortar]

Its the primordial light sigil
He was the mon for the primordial light dragon
Probably had limited primordial light control even before ascending

[candid shadow]

bro things he's the main character

[coarse grove]

yuuup...

plague, astral, dog, sulphur

[pulsar ocean]

why did draedon pollute the sea i thought he wasnt a bad guy

[pliant ruin]

draedon is neither bad nor good hes just a guy

[pulsar ocean]

being so smart he probably could get rid of the trash without dumping waste into the sea

[pliant ruin]

he has no moral compass which leads to him not exactly being opposed to harming others if it progresses his research but it also means he will help others.. if it progresses his research

[cloud ibex]

He wanted to see what would happen I guess

[candid shadow]

draedon is like a random chill guy that ocasionally commits tax evasion or murder

[pliant ruin]

he is completely neutral and apathethic

[pliant ruin]

He's probably interested in how life will develop

[split mortar]

Thought it was a dead zone with little to no life when he dumped it

[pliant ruin]

Evolution and allat

[pliant ruin]

whar

is this canon or headcanon

[split mortar]

Thouguht thats why they did that

Ima double check brb

Ok i think my brain made shit up then

[dusk laurel]

[pulsar ocean]

why does the dragon cult exist in lore if it affects absolutely nothing in game

those are the same cultists

[split mortar]

Dragon cult are the dungeon cult
Lunatic cultist is the head of the dragon cult

They are in game

We fight their boss

[cloud ibex]

Imagine if you could find rooms in the dungeon with cultists worshipping the remains of dragons until you walk in

[pulsar ocean]

like theres no dragon stuff around 😭

literally nothing indicating that they're a dragon cult

[split mortar]

Tbf they did have yharim using almost all of their home as just a super prison

[cloud ibex]

Yea the closest I guess is cultist summoning a dragon esque Thing during the fight

[pliant ruin]

well yeah

theyre a vanilla thing

which wasnt written with them being a dragon cult in mind

"written" implies vanilla writes anything

my bad

designed.

[spiral grove]

if the player can pass xerocs in wrath of the gods doesnt that mean the player can probably easily defeat yharim? (prob not canon but im curious)

[pliant ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/gus-gus-fring-finger-twitch-breaking-bad-gif-26288148

[pliant ruin]

for reference

[cloud ibex]

Xeroc isn’t in WotG but yes the player can (and will) beat Yharim

[pliant ruin]

nameless deity is not xeroc or associated with calamity canonical lore in any way

its a separate character with its own entirely separate and unofficial lore

[spiral grove]

oh, people said nameless is xeroc..

[cloud ibex]

People are wrong sometimes

It happens

[pliant ruin]

People are wrong most times

Many such cases

[split mortar]

Theyre dumb and wrong and dumb and dumb

Xeroc has a name

Nameless deity is nameless

[pliant ruin]

It's been so long since i've seen someone associate nameless with xeroc in this chat for how much we talk about it that i genuinely was flabbergasted when that message was sent so that was pretty funny

[cloud ibex]

ND’s name is ███████

You can’t really comprehend it

Just like you can’t really comprehend his name

[pliant ruin]

nameless is a incomprehensible manifestation of the universe itself p much

xeroc on the other hand is some guy

kinda chill

smokes weed

that last part isnt canon but he has the energy

[cloud ibex]

Xeroc is part of the dream blunt rotation, I’ve been sayin this

[spiral grove]

yeah im not updated with the lore and stuff

[pliant ruin]

it's fine dw

its just kind of a meme here so it was actually p shocking to see it happen in real time

[split mortar]

No addon is canon fyi

[spiral grove]

who would win! nameless or xeroc!

[pliant ruin]

well as i said xeroc is just some guy while nameless is nigh omnipotent os

yeah

[cloud ibex]

ND

[split mortar]

Xeroc is like at absolute max continent level

[pliant ruin]

xeroc is the strongest calamity character but even then hes not really like

omnipotent

[split mortar]

And thats pushing it a lot iirc

[cloud ibex]

Xeroc is the most powerful being in canon but ND is nigh omnipotent

[pliant ruin]

nameless on the other hand just

can do basically anything

[cloud ibex]

Kinda hard to measure up to that

[pliant ruin]

and can only really die when the universe itself dies

[pulsar ocean]

he shouldve went on to absorb some more auric souls

[split mortar]

Doing that would prob nerf xeroc

[spiral grove]

so how strong is the calamity terrarian?

[pliant ruin]

why

hes already the strongest guy in the planet

[split mortar]

Like
High city

[pliant ruin]

and also yeah he'd probably turn into auric polterghast

[spiral grove]

damn i watched videos about him being over planetary

[split mortar]

Maybe low mountain

[pliant ruin]

Those videos tend to take things like item tooltips that are obvious emtaphors as literal

[pulsar ocean]

i forgot is absorbing yharon's auric soul a basecal or a hunt of the old god thing

[pliant ruin]

the sword called planet burster is only called that becasue it sounds cool it dosent actually burst planets type shit

[split mortar]

You get that by taking gameplay mechcs ics seriously and taking hyperbole and not serious things as genuine

[pliant ruin]

hunt of old god

[cloud ibex]

Not base cal

[spiral grove]

most of everything i knew about calamity lore is wrong 😭

[cloud ibex]

Yea that happens sometimes

[pliant ruin]

many such cases

[cloud ibex]

Many people are saying this

[split mortar]

Yeah youtube vids suck sadly

[pliant ruin]

except mine

once i make it

never

(maybe on day.)

one*

[pulsar ocean]

we live in a society

[split mortar]

Theres a lore document in the pins of this channel with all ingame lore which is like 99% of what we know

If you want to give that a read in your free time

[spiral grove]

alr

[pulsar ocean]

why did people make a civilization in hell are they stupid its unsafe there

[pliant ruin]

safer than the surface was

[split mortar]

The surface was literally more dangerous because the sun

[pliant ruin]

and i mean

thermal energy + plenty of food

azafure was v lush it seems, based of the small look we've got of it in current cal

[real silo]

the sun was not just a deadly laser

[tall delta]

I could beat xeroc

[pliant ruin]

i could beat YOU

[pulsar ocean]

i could beat up xeroc in the boxing ring 1v1 no godly bs

[real silo]

Cheese scales higher than xeroc ⁉️

[split mortar]

SHE IS THE OLD LADY WHO BEAT UP XEROC

GET HER

BEAT HER WITH ROCKS

[pliant ruin]

WHAT THE FU

[split mortar]

🪨

🪨 🪨 🪨 🪨

[dusk laurel]

Bans melon gun

World peace

[split mortar]

Nuh uh

[pulsar ocean]

could a dragon eat another dragon's auric soul

[split mortar]

Possibly i think? But it didnt happen

[cloud ibex]

In theory, I suppose?

I don’t imagine anything would make it impossible if one really wanted to

Though I think it’s been said that Xeroc invented the ascension ritual, which might mean that none of the dragons knew about it

[latent bolt]

dont beat lunarcheese with rocks
please and thank you

[pulsar ocean]

why does calamitas attack us

[cloud ibex]

She sees the path you’ve carved, thinks you’re another Yharim and has a panic attack

Not conveyed very well in dialogue rn but it’s being rewritten

[wheat walrus]

👉🔥

[pulsar ocean]

can someone explain to me the concept of domains is it just a jjk reference im not quite getting that

[gritty kraken]

Powe’er

[cloud ibex]

the auric dragons each had a domain that represented some aspect of the universe like gravity, life, death, flame, primordial light (basically sunlight) etc

when their souls were absorbed by a person who then turned into a god, that domain usually(!) turned into something more refined/specific

[split mortar]

Aw i missed the 50 quid guftcard :(

[pulsar ocean]

noooo

my 50 bucks

[cloud ibex]

death -> sacrifice, flame -> ashes, gravity -> (geometric) space etc.

[pulsar ocean]

giftcard

[cloud ibex]

the only known exceptions are Silva and Xeroc, who both perfectly inherited their respective dragons' domains (life and primordial light)

[pulsar ocean]

is this how the distortion was made or its a different case

[cloud ibex]

why? who knows but presumably the Terminus had something to do with it

[cloud ibex]

distortion is separate

[chilly viper]

Who is noxus?

[pulsar ocean]

hes evil

very evil

[cloud ibex]

we don't know what exactly the Distortion is other than a "fissure of broken spacetime"

[split mortar]

Boss of dog and creator of the ceaseless void portal

Beyond that no one knows yet

Oh and stronger then yharim

[limpid saddle]

We dont know that

As far as we know he just wants to expand the Distortion & develop it

Which I wouldnt say is an evil goal

[cloud ibex]

well

[limpid saddle]

Yeah yeah 'oh he employs dog' & 'he was so terrifying he made Yharim abandon the dungeon'

[cloud ibex]

we know from association through Faustian Rat Bastard and Lying Asshole Dickhead Shitlord Pathetic Rat Bastard that Noxus is probably at the very least bad vibes

[mighty zenith]

great descriptions 10/10

[cloud ibex]

thank you, thank you,

[cosmic minnow]

It’s distorted

Boom

[cosmic zenith]

That's pretty much everything there is to say, tbh

[abstract gyro]

is it possible to "nether travel" via distortion? as in cover large amounts of distance in overworld by taking a shorter path in distortion (assuming you have the knowledge and skill to open portals at will)

[cosmic zenith]

Unclear

But probably

[cosmic zenith]

There's not much to learn about what it is, due to the mystery of its existence
What you will learn more about is how the Distortion works

Like the whole hive mind thing

[frozen zodiac]

Tabuu from Subspace Emissary?

[cosmic zenith]

Folks, I have some questions for you

[young socket]

wat r they?

[cosmic zenith]

• What Ilmeran perspectives on the Incineration and its events would you be interested in reading? E.g.: someone who was trapped in rubble for days
• A bit unrelated, but what kinds of Ilmerians would you like to see or hear about? Like how Otonilou is a jellyfish mage
• What do you expect from the Ilmeris structures, both in ruins (UG Desert) and fairly preserved (Sunken Sea)?
• What topics would you like to hear about from Amidias? Preferrably, less obvious ones

[brazen coral]

I would be interested in reading accounts from people of various castes (my first thought is one of a civilian, one of royalty, and one of a soldier) from before and during the war

[deft vessel]

Yes
Yes
Lore
The socio economical impact of the crusade

[brazen coral]

And I think hearing about what Amidas did to help in the war would be fun. Maybe hearing about what his current plans are now would be good too

[gritty kraken]

Tyrian lore

[barren sonnet]

For number 3, I think it would be interesting for the buildings to have a bit of an ancient Egyptian feel to them (the vanilla underground desert has a lot based on it after all)

[cosmic zenith]

Already something I have in mind

Though the Ancient Egyptian inspirations may be subtle

Since it's based on their architectural features rather than recognizable symbolism

[barren sonnet]

Yeah

[cosmic zenith]

(Yes, I've written actual building guidelines already)

[deft vessel]

I want to hear about the champions of the two gods

They could be like twins of something

[cosmic zenith]

Not all Gods have champions

[deft vessel]

Counter point: They are cool

[barren sonnet]

Also, an explanation of why there’s so much amber in the underground desert. Were there a lot of trees in upper ilimeris?

[young socket]

1. stories of how people attempted to escape. what worked? what didnt?
2. this sounds weird, but id like a diary of a common person prior to the incineration. id like to hear a normal persons day, thoughts, worries for the future, etc.
3. religious facilities, houses, businesses. businesses would help with explaining what kind of stuff ilmerans liked doing throughout the day, without having someone directly explaining it
4. u prob alr have this, but economy would be nice to hear about. but more minor stuff, like the crusade affecting wat used to be common trade routes to be dangerous unusability due to yharims soldiers patrolling n stuff

[cosmic zenith]

Fair enough
We've written something else, but you might like it....

[spare pier]

It's funny because I think by this point we have literally just every single imaginable topic covered already

[young socket]

yea...

[wheat walrus]

js drop the nuke

come on

[cosmic zenith]

That's a bold thing to say

[deft vessel]

Very well

[wheat walrus]

gang

[spare pier]

Well ok

Every single interesting topic

[wheat walrus]

1 big doc

all in 1

[cosmic zenith]

Every single majorly relevant topic

[wheat walrus]

yep

[spare pier]

We aren't covering how Ilmerans cut their nails but like

[wheat walrus]

nuclear doc

[mighty zenith]

good topic

talk.

[wheat walrus]

you will though

[eager bluff]

how did ilmerans cut their nails this is important lore

[young socket]

"hey amidias do u go to a nail salon?"

[wheat walrus]

it's inevitable

[cosmic zenith]

Not yet

[wheat walrus]

see

[cosmic zenith]

:)

[brazen coral]

WHAT

coward

[hoary berry]

actually that's a useful reminder for me
i should cut my nails before i stab myself

[cosmic zenith]

One quest is actually doing Amidias' royal nailcare

[brazen coral]

talk about ilmeran grooming standards. did they prefer long nails or short nails. did they all have nails?

[brazen coral]

reward: royal salary (3p)

[eager bluff]

i thought you meant stabbing yourself with a knife at first

[cosmic zenith]

Paid in Amidollars

[hoary berry]

no just like
clenching my fists

[random mulch]

1. The perspective of the soldiers trying to fight back
2. I'd like to hear about some of the more mundane aspects of their lives, idk why but i've always found it interesting to hear about daily life in different cultures.
3. That in the desert they're a bit more haphazard but in the sunken sea that they're still "connected" in some way, with it being more obvious that it was more cohesive rather than just randomly placed

[barren sonnet]

1. The perspective of a child who had little understanding of what was happening
2. snailfish
3. (in addition to what I said earlier about the building style) ruined vegetation, it would explain why there’s underground desert has so much amber
4. The relations ilimeris had between other groups

[spare pier]

Of course child murder would be on the list

[barren sonnet]

Hey, it would help depict the tragedy of the event

[cosmic zenith]

Noted
Thank you, everyone

[manic coral]

still, i always have it as a ruile to keep it PG-13, there's a reason i scrapped the thing about a guy watching somebody be burned alive in the incineration. and also why calamitas doesn't reguarly say "fuck".

and only gets to once

[barren sonnet]

Yeah you right

[manic coral]

i don't wanna get TOO dark with calamity, i want it to keep with roughly the age rating of terraria itself even if it is a bit more serious

[cloud ibex]

a bit

[manic coral]

the darker stuff can be saved for Thunderstriken when I start writing that more properly

[manic coral]

eh cal still has its fair share of goofy as hell shit

even lore wise

like the implications torches have

[cloud ibex]

it also has guy who war crimes his way into killing half the planet

i don't think anything in vanilla gets even close to that

[barren sonnet]

Oh yeah, speaking of terraria being sillier than calamity, I find it very impressive how you made a relatively serious story fit in into a silly game

[random mulch]

giant rgb killer robots made by another robot for shits n' giggles

[young socket]

thats a moray!

[manic coral]

i mean rabbit literally explode into gorey bloody bits when you kill them

terraria literally feature gore, even if it's pixelaed. i think war crimes are fine.

it also has sex jokes

[young socket]

it also has sparkle slime balloon

[barren sonnet]

I try to forgot about sparkle slime balloons tbh

[manic coral]

i don't think cal nessearily depicts or talks about anything WORSE, just DIFFERENT

[barren sonnet]

Except when I’m getting the shimmer slime

[deft vessel]

The darknes must consume

[manic coral]

hell if anythign given creatures in this game and even people literally have blood and gores when you kill them, in theory, i guess i COULD describe that sutff, but i still choose not to for Cal

again, can be saved for Thunderstriken when that becomes my main project

[deft vessel]

[limpid saddle]

I would love to see more of Otonilou's species, she gas such a fascinating design & yet we dont know much about her or her kindred (obviously gonna change in SSO but y'know) it'd be especially cool if we got a jellyfish mage npc or something

& on archetecture, I guess given the current vibe of the Sunken Sea in my mind i'm picturing a very vivid & bright form of a classic 'atlantis'-esque city, but formed from coral & sea prisms & shit

[pulsar ocean]

what class was yharim

[barren sonnet]

Melee

Almost definitely

[limpid saddle]

melee no doubt

[pulsar ocean]

what is yharim's crystal then

[knotty pewter]

i think calamity's writing does a good job of leaving things up to the imagination. like a lot of the implications are pretty intense but you don't have to interact with it really

[gaunt sluice]

So is the implication that the sky civilization managed to isolate the corruption or that it was born from a god of theirs

Or is it just there for gameplay

[barren sonnet]

It’s gameplay

And it’s getting replaced with something cooler

[gaunt sluice]

Fair enough

[young socket]

i think there are plans to change the evil sky island

i dont remember exactly tho

[split mortar]

He could use magic but wasnt anywhere near as skilled and was rarely used iirc

Though because silly dragon stuff i presume, yharims crystal is vastly stronger if he uses it then if we do

[gaunt sluice]

I think it would be cool if there were attack patterns where he perfectly mirrors the player

[random mulch]

imagine if yharim could parry

[gaunt sluice]

Totk vibes

[random mulch]

what is aerialite spawning from evil2 gonna be replaced by?

[dusk laurel]

Evil island is going to be replaced by a new sky civ structure that will explain how aerialite gets disenchanted

[random mulch]

so it'll still be tied to evil2?

[dusk laurel]

Ye

[random mulch]

damn

[cosmic zenith]

Not gameplay, actually

It will be elaborated upon

[cosmic zenith]

It'll be replaced by new sky structure

[analog robin]

Just learned Calamitas isn’t supposed to be an old lady

[split mortar]

Yeah she is like
28

[analog robin]

Dang

Sprites are hard because you never know what the hell they’re meant to convey

[pliant ruin]

i mean

she dosen't really

look like an old lady

[mighty zenith]

shes got uhh white hair

which automatically means old

i think

[pliant ruin]

well if i'm a old lady then by proxy cal also is since she's older than me

[split mortar]

Isnt that also a stress thing

[pliant ruin]

yea

i have some white strands

few tho

having white hair bc of stress at age 28 is basically impossible afaik

i assume its just natural cuz native azafurian

[analog robin]

I don’t know

“Calamitas” sounds like the name of an ancient sorcerer who’s been sealed away for thousands of years

And she talks like she’s lived for ages

[split mortar]

Aint even her name

[pliant ruin]

Calamitas isn't really her real name yeah

It's more of a title

Her real name probably emily or something 💔

And most of her character is really dated and OOC

[split mortar]

Old lore dialogue :(

[mighty zenith]

apathetic asshole calamitas :(

[pliant ruin]

apathethic asshole cal ❌
chill gamer cal ✅

[split mortar]

Burns a pot of water cal

[analog robin]

I also think I read her in the way that sounds most interesting to me

[spring helm]

so will there be no way to obtain the opposite evil ore now after the update?

[analog robin]

Like fighting an extremely powerful old hag has much more appeal than fighting an extremely powerful 20 something woman

[split mortar]

For a world where half the population died i think she has lived a good length of time

[split mortar]

Yharim is 130 so theres your old op human

[analog robin]

130 is rookie numbers

[split mortar]

Nope

[spring helm]

Yharim ensuring overpopulation does not occur by making the world life expectency 13 💖

[split mortar]

Calamity has human levels of humans living in age

[pliant ruin]

well the 20 something woman's entire story is about how she's basically just a normal person who was actively manipulated due to obtaining power beyond her control and forced into being something she would come to deeply regret as she was in a incredibly vulnerable period of her life

i feel like making her a grandma would be much worse to tell that story

[analog robin]

I really didn’t think that would be the case tbh

[pliant ruin]

a young person naturally is more prone to being

yknow

emotionally vulnerable

[analog robin]

Yeah I get it

[mighty zenith]

an old hag witch would be better for a cool boss fight i guess

but as a character cal being younger makes way more sense

[split mortar]

Only human older then yharim is permafrost and thats cause he uses fucked up complex magic to slow his aging by like 10x or something and it still under a century from death

[pliant ruin]

given the terrarian's characterization is up to you you could totally make the terrarian a similar age and then have it be a clash of ideals beetween two people who r fairly similar

calamitas going ptsd haywire mode and wanting to make sure yharim dosent happen again vs you trying to convince her that youre not gonna be yharim 2 and that much like yharim brought bad change, you can bring good change

[spare pier]

Calamari trying to talk to Calamitas

(She's mute)

[mighty zenith]

me after i kill all fish and one last fish tries talking to me

[spring helm]

Calamari: "..."

Calamitas: "Ong that's what I'm saying!"

Calamitas attempting to apologize for the incineration of Ilmeris to Calamari before realizing Calamari did not live in the Sunken Sea

[spare pier]

So true

Calamari and Calamitas is a relationship that I think just doesn't really go anywhere because they have some stuff in common but like

It doesn't really go past that

[mighty zenith]

: IM SORRY FOR KILLING PEOPLE
🦑: blub blub bluv

[spare pier]

It's more like

"Hey both of us were given power and the weight of expectations that we could save the world by people who directly or indirectly manipulated us into thinking we are the only hope to end this madness"

[mighty zenith]

blub blub blub

[spare pier]

So true

[spare pier]

But like, beyond this

They have nothing in common

[dusk laurel]

Fish noises

[spring helm]

not to mention Calamari doesn't really want to be alive

[spare pier]

Yeah, there's that part

As much as I changed stuff around because in hindsight her killing Xeroc is kinda eh and I can make her story conclude in a satisfying way regardless

Her stance on her own life is that she doesn't really want to be a part of the world anymore

[rocky crown]

Hello everyone :3 any idea when is the next update coming?

[random mulch]

no

[rocky crown]

Where can i see what's coming in the next update? :3

Thanks btw

[barren sonnet]

Check pins in spoiler talk

[pliant ruin]

loreous...

[dusk laurel]

Lore?

[plucky lichen]

Is it real

[pliant ruin]

no unfortunately

[cosmic zenith]

It's kinda insane to think about age sometimes
Like

In about a month, I'll be as old as Giyu Tomioka

[deft vessel]

A primordial one

[pliant ruin]

i know right

like damn ive been alive for 20 years

[cosmic zenith]

Actually this makes me think holy shit I bought a Giyu costume accidentally at the perfect time

[pliant ruin]

im older than the entirety of bluesky

as in the animation studios

i have outlived manny the mammoth

[young socket]

ur old

[pliant ruin]

i am unfortunately

[hoary cape]

Cheese is gonna become blue cheese one day

[pliant ruin]

[tepid timber]

You gotta be loring me

[analog robin]

Hey your profile pic is from Rain World I’m playing that right now

I restarted the entire game to save that character it better be fucking worth it

[snow mountain]

EAT THE NEURON FLIES

[split mortar]

Brain rot
193d
You’re a fucking idiot

[cosmic zenith]

Nice! Have fun!

She's a sweetheart

You won't regret it

[cosmic zenith]

Now you will.
If you ever say that again, I will tear your soul apart.

[light linden]

hey stip?

curious about something if you've got a sec

[cosmic zenith]

Sure

[light linden]

have you ever seen the various types of dragons from Ark?

[cosmic zenith]

I haven't

[light linden]

mind if I dm them rq then?

tryna figure out if one of them would fit as a good base for a tectonics dragon

actually I should prolly just put them in #general-media

[cosmic zenith]

Sure!

[plucky lichen]

Lobotomize the iterators

Eat the flies

[cosmic zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/jerma-jerma985-labo-scary-horror-gif-4968218050647935801

Oh, did I forget to send it here? It seems so

https://www.reddit.com/r/CalamityMod/s/wi5boNeUEj

[late veldt]

Why doesn't the clentaminator work on Aureus and Deus. Are they stupid?

[strong hollow]

Is there any official lore or really any sort of background on Yharim? Or is that up to interpretation?

If it’s up to interpretation, I’d want to hear some of your takes.

[gritty kraken]

Yharim have lore

[vestal lagoon]

he made the lore items

you can also ask draedon about him

[strong hollow]

He has dialogue outside the lab schematics and the exo mechs boss fight?

[vestal lagoon]

yes

[strong hollow]

After or before exo mechs?

[vestal lagoon]

after you defeat the exo mechs

he gives you a quest to craft a exo weapon

after that you can ask him about things

[manic coral]

nah just

miracle matter in general

have to prove you're worth talking to

[strong hollow]

Oh, by the way, I was asking about Yharim because I tried looking on the official wiki for Calamity and the lore was “disamiguation” and the fandom wiki is unofficial

[vestal lagoon]

[manic coral]

because the wiki doens't contain deciated pages for characters becuase

uuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

yeah

if you want to know more of public stuff check pins

[strong hollow]

Thanks

[manic coral]

whiuch like nearly every wiki for anything ever has stuff like this so i'm kinda uspirsed this

is not a thing that'd been dopne

maybe at some point after SSO

[strong hollow]

Sorry, how do I check pinned posts?

Nvm I got it

[manic coral]

ok cool

[indigo glade]

I've been thinking about bringing it up, but I really feel like I won't be understood since a lot of the people who manage the Wiki barely know anything about the lore.

[manic coral]

when all remnants of the old stuff are gone

that way there can be zero confusion

speaking of as i have nothing else i feel like doing now

back to writing

[indigo glade]

Back to the mines...

[spring helm]

don't talk to me unless you know quantum physics. and really know it too, not that pop-science garbage
-Draedon

i replied to the wrong message, fuck

[spring helm]

i eamnt this one

[manic coral]

i know what you meant to reply to

[manic coral]

https://tenor.com/view/harvest-yeahilif-gif-21827635

yes this is why the Bountiful Harvest update was called that

this gif

[tepid timber]

Thought that was the tarantula farm gif for a second

[manic coral]

no just a dog eating a tomato

[eager bluff]

goodbye heckteck

[spring helm]

Cei are we going to learn in-game where Yharim got the auric armour from originally

[manic coral]

in

of

course

as USUAL

Sunken Sea Overhaul

Yharim's Crystal description

[light linden]

cei are we gonna learn what plague armor plating is made from in sso?

[late veldt]

plague

[manic coral]

idk

[light linden]

[late veldt]

it's made of modified Wulfrum made by Johnn Plague Armor Plating

[spring helm]

why don't we just merge every update into the Sunken Sea Overhaul
Then we get Yharim and Xeroc in the next update

[light linden]

that gives me an idea

y'all think there's water in the distortion?

[magic epoch]

there should be so you can fish in it

[hoary cape]

You catch a fish in the distortion and then it ends up being yourself and you launch yourself into the void

[cosmic zenith]

There's retaw

[light linden]

hi stip

did you see what I dm'd you?

or at least the last thing?

[spring helm]

i must drink cosmilite

and then eat endothermic energy

it will make me strong

[hoary cape]

Endothermic energy is being axed

[cosmic zenith]

https://youtu.be/kgfnKtukJiE?si=W0A3lJ5A4lmoqNKQ

This but eldritch and fucked up

[spring helm]

[tropic oak]

if i fish in the dragon aerie am i gonna pull out a dragon fish

[pliant ruin]

yharon fish

[eager bluff]

the yhish

[tropic oak]

the yhish

[gaunt sluice]

yall

they patched the freaking potion duplication

or maybe it's infernum

[glacial rampart]

yo this is crazy lore

[cosmic minnow]

Is Calamitas a tea or coffee person?

More importantly, Is yharim a tea or coffee person?

[sinful adder]

I think calamitas likes tea and yharim likes coffee

[cyan coyote]

Scal likes brimstone lotus tea 100%

[cosmic minnow]

Wait

I just read calamity is supposed to be pg 13

Why tho

[cyan coyote]

The taste of the fallen azafure people is delicious

[cyan coyote]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[cosmic minnow]

Terraria isn’t even really a children’s game

Ngl, thats good tho

Less weirdos

[cyan coyote]

I just really like dragons

[cosmic minnow]

AYO

WHAT

[cyan coyote]

Click on my pfp and you can see a warned role lmfao

[cosmic minnow]

I could do that too, but I like to restrain myself here

Due to the inconvenient amount of minors

[cyan coyote]

I learnt to restrain myself the hard way

[cosmic minnow]

Uhu…

Im just not a big fan of calamity being children friendly

Only reason I prefer some of old lore

[cyan coyote]

Considering it's about genocide, death, alot of war crimes, and godcism

Yeah I don't get why

[cosmic minnow]

Well cei said they wanted to keep it pg 13

Idk more

[pulsar ocean]

do you guys think yharim uses the sponge

[cyan coyote]

🗣️ 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥

Really liked it when Yharim told DoG to jump Deus

[cosmic minnow]

Old lore Calamitas was much more… well Calamitas

Less of a crybaby

And actually strong

Just yharim was kinda too busted

[cyan coyote]

Broski shrugged off a curse from yharim for a long while

[cosmic minnow]

He wanted to give deus the jjk treatment

[cyan coyote]

Sadly that's no longer canon

Deus was just doing his job and yharim sent DoG to kill him only because he's the god of the stars

Actual god racism

Godcism

[cosmic minnow]

I remember saying something abt the profile of Fabsol and I almost got myself banned

[cyan coyote]

Ok I am gone

[cosmic minnow]

Bye

[limpid saddle]

It uh, isn't, really

Rating doesnt mean anything

You can tell a mature story either way

& no-one but yourself is compelling you to be a freak about dragons

[cosmic minnow]

I didn’t say anything about dragons

[limpid saddle]

I assumed that was the insinuation

[cosmic minnow]

Hell no

Im attracted to people, not animals

I was just saying I could be freaky too, but here I’m not

[cloud ibex]

Convo cancelled! Brick attack

[limpid saddle]

yowch

[cosmic minnow]

For obvious reasons

[split mortar]

Explodes mod with mind

[limpid saddle]

[cloud ibex]

Talk about something that is Not This

[cosmic minnow]

The mods

The voices

[limpid saddle]

Anyway old lore seems kind of like an inconsistent pot of consisting of razor-sharp edge & eyeballs

What do you actually prefer about it?

[cosmic minnow]

Really only most of Calamitas

I liked her there more

[limpid saddle]

New Lore doesnt really baby-proof anything it still goes to dark places

[cosmic minnow]

And that’s…. Really it

[limpid saddle]

Can you uh, elaborate, maybe?

At all?

[cosmic minnow]

I preferred the old witch that wasn’t a child manipulated but a person mostly acting upon own ideals, even though she was manipulated by yharim later

[calm patio]

however

war crimes

old lore was like all over the place really

[limpid saddle]

Now i'll admit, i'm not the most familiar with old lore, so how do you mean?

[mighty zenith]

i get that but like

that didnt really make her stand out

also
its not rly true?

[limpid saddle]

What ideals lead the old-lore eyeball to do what she did other than 'i like killing people'?

[mighty zenith]

she was cursed to following Yharim's orders

[cosmic minnow]

If I remember correctly Calamitas joined yharim on own accord, later realized she was being used, tried to go but yharim cursed her to return and stay

[mighty zenith]

she just shared his ideals because she had no choice

[limpid saddle]

Ok so she was manipulated but there's just signifigantly less intrigue?

[mighty zenith]

yeah instead of implied manipulation of a young, vulnerable person she just decided that killing people wasnt fun anymore and got literally cursed to following orders

[cosmic minnow]

Pretty much

[limpid saddle]

& mr Sarenio, this is better..
How?

[mighty zenith]

its cool if you like that but to me it just feels sorta lame

[cosmic minnow]

In my own opinion this is more likeable

Controversial opinion ik

[mighty zenith]

it also makes Yharim into even more of a gary-stu that can just do whatever

what does he even need a super powerful witch for if he can just put a curse on her no problem

[cosmic minnow]

Honest question, how was the terrarian supposed to he beat him back then?

[cosmic minnow]

He’s lazy I guess?

[limpid saddle]

I mean yeah it's alot less interesting if Yharim is made that infallible

[mighty zenith]

thats even lamer then

especially considering the guy started a war to conquer the damn world

[limpid saddle]

Yharim's whole thing is that by now, because of his descent during the Crusades, he's limping along with only Yharon by his side, his armies scattered, his strongest allies staring down on him with scorn

He's still the strongest but even that can't match his ultimate enemy

& that's fucking cool

Thats interesting

[cosmic minnow]

Ok?

[split mortar]

#lore-discussion message
they never said they liked old lore yharim?????

Or well

Prefered

[cosmic minnow]

Exactly

[limpid saddle]

I just mean something like Old Calamitas inherently comes into conflict & muddles with current Yharim, so it cant really work

[limpid saddle]

I can understand I kinda extrapolated but I just wanted to get that out

cause current Yharim is awesome good job lore writers

[pulsar ocean]

is draedon's talk about dog just not canon anymore

[split mortar]

Whar

Draetalk was made post rewrite?

[pulsar ocean]

wait so dog joins yharim's forces?
but noxus is still his boss?

[split mortar]

Yeah

Dogs true loyalty is with noxus

It worked under yharim cause it helped it do what noxus wanted

iirc

[pulsar ocean]

so dog worked for yharim

to steal kills

for noxus

[split mortar]

Yea think so

[dusk laurel]

👎

[split mortar]

Evillain

[cosmic minnow]

That’s why vanilla is evil

[cloud ibex]

possible

the implication seems to be that DoG got sent to be a convenient trash disposal for godly essence, when in reality he disposes it in the Distortion for Noxus to make use of... somehow

[cosmic zenith]

I don't see how Calamitas is a crybaby

If anything, old lore Calamitas' goodness was a lot more forced

[mighty zenith]

calling her a crybaby is kinda uh

[magic epoch]

DISRESPECTFUL

[mighty zenith]

i mean the girl accidentally destroyed her own home, grew up without parents, her brothers fucking died, got manipulated into helping with genocide and then told to kill the one person who still cared about her

[cosmic zenith]

That's the thing though, she was already a manipulated child in old lore....

[mighty zenith]

the fact shes still somewhat functioning as a person is a miracle

[pulsar ocean]

Isn't dog like 50 times bigger than anyone in the yharim crew combined how did that even work

[cloud ibex]

depends on what "that" refers to

[pulsar ocean]

Like imagine yharim calls everyone in for a meeting

And a colossal wyrn

Worm

Pulls up

[split mortar]

Do it in a huge open area

Either outside or have a huge huge building

[pulsar ocean]

It's even more absurd with the new sprite coming up

[limpid saddle]

I always imagined him curled around the rafters of Yharim's roundtable court I assume he has & lowering his head to where his chair would be

[frosty shale]

DoG just moves really close to the speed of light and therefore appears small enough to fit in the room due to length contraction

-# I'm kidding but that would actually be a kind of cool explanation

[cosmic zenith]

And the most vulnerability she displays is sparing Permafrost (her mentor and father figure)

She really isn't a softie

[frosty shale]

Is DoG actually able to move really fast, or does he just make portals everywhere?

[limpid saddle]

it seems like a little bit of both

[cosmic zenith]

^

[frosty shale]

I've always thought of DoG as being fast, but I suppose he doesn't like... have to be

[limpid saddle]

Because he is really fast but also y'know most of his crazy stuff is through the portals

[pliant ruin]

hot take possibly

calamitas is flanderized often in lore discussions and treated as a crybaby/precious vulnerable thing just because she has ptsd

[wheat walrus]

trueing?

[frosty shale]

cuz if DoG can move at a significant portion of the speed of light, this explanation actually works, assuming the Calamity universe obeys the (really weird) laws of physics which I suppose it doesn't have to

[pliant ruin]

ive went on this tangent before though and how it makes me particularly uncomfortable given i have it and allat

[frosty shale]

i mean when you have interdimensional portals, wings, gods, and who knows what else, you can't really analyze the Calamity lore via real-world science

[pliant ruin]

ive been noticing less of it specially ever since i started expressing my disdain for it though which is nice

ppl seem to take cal more seriously now

[frosty shale]

it is funnier to imagine a colossal space worm trying to fit into.. anything

[frosty shale]

Considering 1% of what Calamitas has been through in lore I don't see how anyone can legitimately think she's a 'crybaby'

Like she literally lost everything

iirc she not only lost all her people, but was then a servant to Yharim from a young age wielding power she could barely comprehend, then Yharim turned out to be insane and she left, losing the only father figure she ever had (Permafrost) and has decided to condense all her sins into a bunch of demons she throws at the player who is, in her mind, Yharim 2 before going "ok fine maybe you're not Yharim 2"

[pliant ruin]

If anything calamitas is

incredibly emotionally strong

most people would not last the shit she went through

she's a mf survivor

[frosty shale]

I mean, there's no guarantee she really did make it through all of it, at least not without being permanently scarred by it, but elaborating on that in lore I think could get a bit too dark

Well... I don't know if her in-game lines are canon

There's talk of how she enjoys the flowers and everything of a grassy land, and how she doesn't understand how Amidias doesn't hate her after everything

I like to imagine when you beat Calamitas she finally gets that peace she's been looking for

But idk if that's canon

[pliant ruin]

Well she's definitely scarred by it, while not outright stated ingame most of the community n devs agree she has a form of PTSD seemingly

But having trauma dosen't mean you are just... a goo goo gaa gaa baby

[frosty shale]

That does seem unfair, yeah

[pliant ruin]

again i literally have ptsd and as far as i'm concerned i'm actually not. crying constantly or soemthing

[wheat walrus]

gng Cal is prolly in a similar boat as war veterans, I guess it's worse since she was a child but I don't think people will think of a war veteran and think of them crying constantly

[pliant ruin]

YEAH

YEAH REAL

[frosty shale]

Very good analogy

[pliant ruin]

shes badass why dont ppl see this smh

[cosmic zenith]

Yeah!

[pliant ruin]

like yeah i do agree she has some degree of girlfailure energy but less so bc shes stupid but more so because, well

[frosty shale]

'war veteran' is the best analogy I've actually ever heard regarding Calamitas

[pliant ruin]

half of her life was incredibly sheltered and the other half was isolated from society

so yeah i think its fair she'll be unnacoustomed to doing some things

[frosty shale]

Calamitas doesn't get to live a normal life until you beat her (assuming her in-game lines are canon)

[wheat walrus]

she's traumatized as much as she is tempered, mayhaps

[pliant ruin]

but like. i think she probably would do some pretty cool hunter survival type stuff

given yknow

Cave

cal spear fishing and foraging arc

[wheat walrus]

tempered as in, definitely tougher than the average

[frosty shale]

Unintentional because I know Calamity likes to reference it a lot, but it does remind me of Raiden's story in Metal Gear

I'm not talking about Rising meme culture, I mean his actual lore dating back to MGS 2 and 4

[pliant ruin]

she probably would learn how to make fires and stuff fairly early into her isolation given she'd realize that her brimstone flames not only are way too intense but cause her too much mental pain

[frosty shale]

Child soldier, never lived a normal life, et cetera

[pliant ruin]

i also can see her always making sure to inflict the absolute least amount of pain possible into the animals she has to hunt

[frosty shale]

I don't know if Calamitas was ever a child soldier but it's implied she's had her power from a very young age

[pliant ruin]

and maybe paying respects to them after they die, given she says herself that she is someone constantly trying to find attunement for her actions

[wheat walrus]

well she was being sent in missions around teenage, presumably early teenage years

[pliant ruin]

she was a child soldier yeah
probably was on the yharmy until her late teens

[wheat walrus]

and eventually left as she grew up years later, shortly after being tasked to kill Permafrost

[pliant ruin]

yuh

[pliant ruin]

I do think cal would initially struggle with the act of killing animals

Since again

[frosty shale]

I love this community's tendency to make a portmanteau of normal words and Yharim in cal lore

[pliant ruin]

her trauma stems from the harm she's caused to others, so killing animals, even if obviously not on the same degree, might awaken some memories in her

but

with enouggh mental preparation and willpower, i think she'd eventually manage and slowly get used to it

[wheat walrus]

yhi yhove yhis yhommunity's yhendency yho yhake yha yhortmanteau yhof yhormal yhords yhand yharim yhin yhal yhore

[frosty shale]

we need a Yharimize bot to Yharimize sentences

[pliant ruin]

🏴‍☠️ the yharhar

[wheat walrus]

true

[pliant ruin]

yhein yhof yharim

[frosty shale]

yhar yhou yhidding yhme

[hoary berry]

yhark…

[split mortar]

The yhrock

[wheat walrus]

spell this out loud

[pliant ruin]

i do think one thing that WOULD actually make calamitas break down entirely though

would be

[wheat walrus]

kushala daora i nworld

mhworld

kushala daora

[pliant ruin]

an alternate ending where she manages to kill the terrarian in her fight

[wheat walrus]

ok yea probably

[frosty shale]

what are you summoning

[pliant ruin]

she'd probably take some time to proccess what just happened and when shen realizes it she'd just go

oh god what the fuck have i just done

[wheat walrus]

monster hunter world kushala daora

[pliant ruin]

monster hunter world kushala daora

[wheat walrus]

best fight in the series 🔥

[pliant ruin]

ive not gotten that far in world so sad

[frosty shale]

oh
-# i don't know what that is sorry other than a video game

[pliant ruin]

last monster i fought was like

legiana

before my pc befcame too shit to ahndle world

[wheat walrus]

good kushala daora is ass 🔥

in world

rise magically made it good

and its risen form is a very cool fight in sunbreak

meanwhile world kushala daora is either the most annoying area negating piece of shit or you stunlock it by hitting it in the head successfully 👍

actually second or third area negating pos

lunastra and nightshade 💔

[cosmic zenith]

Ehhhhhh

[wheat walrus]

nightshade paolumu the fucking demon i hate it it needs to be undone

[cosmic zenith]

She's gone through worse

And she's arguably in a better place mentally right now

[wheat walrus]

I think what makes the alt ending bad is that there would be noone to rise up to yharim and she just killed the only one who was going to, that is if she eventually understands that (given how she did kill the terrarian, so we can't be sure if she was even told of that part of the story)

[pliant ruin]

Yeah but

Killing a innocent is like the exact reason she's got so much trauma

It'd be quite possibly the worst possible thing she could do for her own mental health

[wheat walrus]

well ig that depends on the terrarian

but if we assume the good ol more heroic one who's rising up to Yharim, then yea

[pliant ruin]

It'd be essentially validating her thoughts that she hasn't changed and that she's beyond redemption and such

[cosmic zenith]

She's killed innocents and self-reflected in worse conditions before

[pliant ruin]

true...

[wheat walrus]

I think what makes this scenario the worst isn't just the terrarian possibly being innocent

but also how we're assuming they were willing to be the hero to face Yharim

and were reaching said goal

[cosmic zenith]

It would validate her thoughts, yes, but I feel like she has the emotional maturity to not let it impact her as heavily as it would otherwise

[pliant ruin]

Yeah but that dosen't really get rid of the trauma she has regarding it, even if you manage to self-reflect, it dosen't make you invulnerable to stuff

[wheat walrus]

so she didn't merely kill an innocent, but a great hero too in this scenario

that is if your terrarian is good tho

[cosmic zenith]

Self-reflecting is exactly what would bring her that pain, actually

[pliant ruin]

I feel like cal's character works best as

someone who's grizzled and matured by all the things she's went through, someone who's survived many things, but deep down still has a vulnerable side thanks to all the shit she's went through which would only come out near those closest to her or in situations that would push her to a emotional collapse

And the scal fight is

exactly the latter imo

I don't find cal's character to be as appealing if she's just, essentially "done" with her arc and has fully matured and moved past the past

moved past the past. haha

like i think there's a fine balance beetween flanderizing her as a goo goo gaa gaa baby and making it so she's still a person who's very vulnerable deep down

[wheat walrus]

just be simple human

[cosmic zenith]

Exactly

[wheat walrus]

if you encountered a person who was a scarred child soldier who went through allat you wouldn't treat them like babies but you'd be careful abt their trauma, it also depends on how close you are to them

[pliant ruin]

yeah real

i should be given the role of writing for calamitas and nothing else because shes just like me fr

[wheat walrus]

you wouldn't wanna get on cal's bad side, and if you got closer to her you'd definitely not treat her like baby stuff :p

[wheat walrus]

☸️

[mighty zenith]

🏒

[pliant ruin]

I do also like to think cal avoids physically hurting others as much as possible because she's seen how much her powers can harm others and dosen't wish to risk similar things again, but will still use it if its clearly needed or its someone who clearly deserves it

Which is also funny because

[cosmic zenith]

That is kinda the point of her character
She goes through a lot and makes mistakes
A good portion of her journey is her being misguided
But deep down she's not a bad person, just pretty damn hurt
She's not only willing to grow, but already displays some signs of growth

[pliant ruin]

Cal burns you alive for disrespecting her sexuality? Nah, she calls you a desperate bitch who has nothing better to do with their time. She dosen't wanna hurt you with fire but she sure as hell can with words

Which seems to be canon alligned givne she will say the singular swear of basecal

She's not gonna burn you

but she's gonna burn you

[cosmic zenith]

She's a generally good person who was brought low by circumstances outside her control, but she won't let that define her
And that's what makes her my favorite character

[pliant ruin]

She's my blorbo

one of many

up there with the likes of gregor samsa limbus company and akemi homura madoka magica

She's my favorite cal character because i love how nuanced her entire characterization and story is and also i relate to her alot in some ways

It's sad to me how people seem to entirely ignore the nuance of her character for "she killed lots of people so shes evil" in a attempt to be contrarian

well

its less so

"she killed ltos of people so shes evil" and more so "she killed lots of people so shes unreedemable and unforgivable"

i think

a response i gave this the other day

that really put things into prspective

is that if she was actively mind controlled by yharim people likely wouldn't say this (as much anyways)

but like

manipulation is the closest there is to real life mind control

and she was a incredibly emotionally vulnerable child who was being manipulated by someone who she probably idolized

[cosmic zenith]

Like
I can't say too much, but SCal didn't "revel in the slaughter" because she's a sadistic bitch
It's because of a deep-rooted pain that she was led to believe only wrath and vengeance could lessen
To her, it wasn't murder, it was catharsis
It's a mentality she was manipulated into internalizing as a pre-teen and had to grow out of, and that starts with the revelatory rubicon that was the Incineration

[pliant ruin]

yknow

random thought

but calclone being essentially

what ppl think cal is

would b potentially interesting

though i dont think itd fit aswell given cal seems to b trying to humanize her a bitm ore? unsure tho we dont have much info on her

[cosmic zenith]

And despite her Yharim upbringing and awful experiences, she is succeeding in that growth

Step by step

Those tragedies could've choked out all humanity and goodness inside her, but they didn't

[pliant ruin]

exactlyyy

[cosmic zenith]

Tragic flawed characters whose goodness endures the worse circumstances my beloved....

[abstract gyro]

Will we get a peak into Yharim's origins and life pre-crusade? Yharon's lore item is pretty vague in numerous ways

Why him as the God-King? Why execute him and why for treason specifically?

What does it exactly mean when he says he was destined to?

Feels like he was not a random nobody.

[split mortar]

I think thats talking about the gods that ruled over that are had wanted him as god king

[abstract gyro]

Yeah but why

[deft vessel]

Yharim just was the guy

[split mortar]

Considering he was able to become uh, fucking strong as hell without being a god

They prob saw some kind of potential in him and wanted to make it stronger and maybe try to influence it though its just a theory

[abstract gyro]

Feels kinda dart vader-ish "this boy will bring a new era to the rule of gods" but again there gotta be some basis for that claim

[wheat walrus]

Yea that's what I was thinking

[tepid timber]

Well he definitely wasn’t

[gritty kraken]

Must’ve had a gods parents

[wheat walrus]

She lost her entire city and everyone she knew and was taught that this destruction is a righteous act of vengeance type deal

[split mortar]

Yharon is like, among the strongest dragons aswell so its likely any god from ascending with yharons soul would be one of the strongest gods ever

[cloud ibex]

personally i like to imagine that at least one of his parents were powerful gods

[cosmic zenith]

Those characterizations aren't mutually exclusive ;)

[cloud ibex]

so like

[cosmic zenith]

Not much, it is better off as a mystery
You will learn more about the Gods and their likely plot, though

[tepid timber]

I think it would be better if his parents weren’t gods

[cosmic zenith]

"Why execute him for treason specifically?" Because he rebelled against their plan...? It's pretty simple

[abstract gyro]

yeah that's probably fair, I realized insubordination is easy to frame as treason after I sent the message

[cloud ibex]

it was supposed to be his birthright that he'd also ascend, making their kingdom or whatever even more powerful than it already was

[abstract gyro]

it's just that it seems he was the only person that could ascend with Yharon's soul and rule as the god king

and insubordination heavily compromised that

[pliant ruin]

[abstract gyro]

which leads back to the question, why him

[late veldt]

he was the guy

[untold oracle]

THIS

[untold bluff]

Entire US military versus yharim

Who would win

[split mortar]

Yharim

[pliant ruin]

nah yharims cooked sorry

the us military could literally destroy the entire world if they went all out

[untold bluff]

✅

[split mortar]

Scal when she was like
15, was exerting on average low end 27 megatons of energy per second for four days iirc

[pliant ruin]

us military is like draedon irl

[untold oracle]

The nefarious nuclear arsenal

Sorry yharim

[pliant ruin]

just like dreadon could explode the entire world or something if he wanted to so could it

[dusk laurel]

What's she gonna do when a nuke gets dropped on her

[latent bolt]

yeah yharim is cooked

[untold oracle]

Does Draedon found colleges and make them ridiculously expensive, although they can also be paid by being recruited by him

[pliant ruin]

yharim: i am the godseeker fear me grrr
the nefarious arsenal of like 2 gorillion atomic bombs:

[pliant ruin]

yes

[tepid timber]

2 yharmillion

[pliant ruin]

[split mortar]

Plays touhou

[untold oracle]

Insert utsuho gif

[dusk laurel]

America Project

[pliant ruin]

i mean

clownpiece is a thing

[latent bolt]

true

[untold oracle]

Omg clownpiece my beloved

[dusk laurel]

[pliant ruin]

shes not even american she just lives on the moon and found the us flag and was like lmao this is cool

cuz like the us guys put the flag in there

[untold oracle]

Doesnt she live in hell

[latent bolt]

clownpiece getting firepower equivalent to the entire US military

[pliant ruin]

i think hell is related to the moon i touhou

but i frogor

anyways yeah yharim is cooked glad we all agree on that

[untold oracle]

Yeah

[dusk laurel]

Auric baby versus hydrogen bomb

[untold oracle]

Although no

Yharim defeated the god of space

[pliant ruin]

this means yharim is stronger than the entire galaxy

[untold oracle]

Making him fartversal+ lowball

[split mortar]

Gives their punches infinite range

[pliant ruin]

he defeated the god of space so hes stronger than the cosmos itself and space is where things like black holes and sueprnovas happen and those can destroy the planet in a second

which means yharim is st ronger than the entire planet

which means hes stronger than the us military