lore-discussion

[wheat fjord]

I just kinda figured they were equals from the cyonsure

[manic coral]

the mechs + brimmy + AS + cryogen all being on the same tier basically

[cloud ibex]

boss checklist flowchart edition,,,,,,,,,

do you see the vision

[indigo glade]

In this essay, I will talk about how people view progression in Modded Terraria more linearly-

[manic coral]

with the most "intended" order there is between them being cryonic ore taking titanium/adamantite to mine

[wheat walrus]

scal = exos

that is assuming it's all the exos and iirc all of scal's summoning stuff too though

[wheat fjord]

Imagine if draedon made machines with auric souls

[manic coral]

not too much would change tbh

[wheat walrus]

yharim would destroy his ass I think

[robust osprey]

I don't think a robot can get an auric soul

[manic coral]

it's not some multiplicative power increase, that's fundementally not how it works

[split mortar]

Yharon just makes them explode into baby dragons

[manic coral]

it's moreso of an expansion of powerset

[split mortar]

Go
Birth bomb

Rebirth bomb?

Idk

[wheat fjord]

Oh I was thinking some robot god would appear fr

[manic coral]

it can help you become stronger but it doesn't nessesarily MAKE you stronger

[wheat fjord]

I see

This is all pretty epic

[robust osprey]

can a robot even become a god

since like

robot has no soul

[split mortar]

Gods require a normal soul and a auric soul and the god ascension ritual

Draedons machines dont innately have souls afaik

[manic coral]

innately no but i mena

he literally makes soul powered robots

in theory there's nothing stopping like

Destroyer or smth from doing that

[robust osprey]

but would it work with +1 normal soul

[wheat fjord]

I know this isn't the channel for it but the exo mechs kinda need a rework ngl

[robust osprey]

beacuse mechs have more than 1 soul

[manic coral]

don't see why it wouldn't

[split mortar]

Auric polter but reverse

[wheat fjord]

I'm like mid at the game but the exomech fight is just flying up and down

[mighty zenith]

would the dragon control the robot then

like how the hallowed mechs have some control still

[manic coral]

no

that is not how it works

[mighty zenith]

i thought that was like

the reason draedon disliked them

free will

(to some extent)

[wheat walrus]

devour of gods >>>

[manic coral]

that's tlaking normal souls

auric souls are funky

[mighty zenith]

dam

i almost sent this but i decided to send it anyway

[indigo glade]

Since Auric Souls are stated to be "gifted", I assume you mean that Auric Souls isn't actually the soul of an Auric Dragon. It has no free will.

[robust osprey]

what would happen if an auric soul gets inserted into a mech

[indigo glade]

If my hypothesis is correct, Draedon would quite like it. A powerful source of energy with unique abilities that can go on forever and can be perfectly controlled.

[robust osprey]

how would it interact with the other souls

[split mortar]

And lets him work on auric

[robust osprey]

in the mech

[split mortar]

Devourer

Assimilate

Consume

Idfk

[robust osprey]

oh

[indigo glade]

@hoary berry

[split mortar]

Not here…

[hoary berry]

[dusk laurel]

What

oh

i just checked eggcord

lmao

[split mortar]

General sscls

[dusk laurel]

i know

[vocal kestrel]

a dragon-soul powered mech is an AWSOME concept

[split mortar]

God essence powered mech

[cosmic zenith]

YEAH

[cloud ibex]

i think there's someone in the art server whose oc is literally that

[strange kestrel]

wait do we know how ascended xeroc look like

[cloud ibex]

no

[split mortar]

No public design

[strange kestrel]

i hope they do something cool for it

i really like the pre ascenscion art

[tepid timber]

Actually yes

[wheat fjord]

Drawdon reviving yharon early

Taking yharons dna and making a mechanical clone

[split mortar]

Wouldnt work

[split mortar]

Perhapse? Though it would lack the auric dragon of rebirth powers

[wheat fjord]

I mean yeah once its dead its dead but draedon could def remake some of its abilitys

Mechanical fire balls

Mechanical tornados

[split mortar]

Eh
Would be worse then the exos

[wheat fjord]

Are the exos not just regular souls doe

[split mortar]

Hell a exo yharon would likely be weaker then normal yharon

[split mortar]

Exos dont use souls

The normal mechs do

-# and dna isnt soul

Exos get their power from exo prisms

Which supply a portable and endless supply of energy that outdoes nuclear fusion

[pliant ruin]

a yharon clone wouldn't have an auric soul

[split mortar]

🐌

[pliant ruin]

no i actually just said all you said but easier to understand

dum dum

stinky

[dusk laurel]

^

[split mortar]

1 am moment

[dusk laurel]

how do you yap more when youre tired

[split mortar]

Uhhhhhhhh

Less fucks about being precise and concise is my best estimate idfk

[ionic harness]

I’m so high rn

Calamitas lowkey solos

She solos the shit to the most crazy time

[spring helm]

Aido always coming in with the supreme lore dump

[tropic oak]

How does he think these thoughts…..

[ionic harness]

I used to think she was hot. But I don’t mention that cuz of the gooners on Reddit. Shit feels so taboo

[spring helm]

used to

[late veldt]

ur allowed to find her hot. she's just not gonna reciprocate. to anyone really

first of all because she's not real

[wheat fjord]

She's also a grey skinned horned witch

In the fictional game

Of terraria

In the hit mod

Calamity

Made by John Terraria

[late veldt]

ok

people find characters in movies hot

people find characters in anime hot

[ionic harness]

Silva took over lolllllk💀💀💀

[spring helm]

😭

[late veldt]

I mean first of all real.

but also like. can you only find one person at a time hot? what kind of bug are you?

[robust osprey]

Scal is actually hot, she has brimstone magic, duh

[late veldt]

oh well I mean demisexual ig. but you probably wouldn't be getting the hots for video game characters in that case

[ionic harness]

I feel as if I have an auric soul right now

[gusty perch]

extremely useless theory: || the lyrics to Roar of the Jungle Dragon, Yharon's phase 2 theme, is Yharon warning Yharim about the player since Yharim is like Yharon's master and the player got stronger really fast so lyrics like "this is my message to my master" and "the enemy ascended beyond your control" would make sense, also "or was that all your intention" could make sense since Yharim kinda helps the player with like the lore items and stuff so yea ||

[gritty kraken]

It’s confirmed you know

[gusty perch]

o damn so i was right

[sinful adder]

Yeah, that's just fully canon and has been for ages. It was even preserved after the lore rewrite

Hey cei

What's the moon

[clear girder]

why is Yharim helping the player with lore items and stuff

[sinful adder]

Not very significant help, and yharim finds the player interesting, and hopes they'll continue his goals

[clear girder]

so Yharim thinks the player could kill gods with him after he has died?

[sinful adder]

Well, instead of him. Yharim is going to die of old age soon one way or another. He'd like to at least have a successor like you.

[clear girder]

so he doesn't know u want to kill him?

[sinful adder]

He doesn't know that at the start, but he also doesn't care. To be fair, your character doesn't have to want to kill him, you can just not fight him. That said, he doesn't care because he's going to die of old age soon anyways, so he might as well go out fighting, and train a successor in the process.

[random mulch]

are there any dates we know of that arent from draedon

[limpid saddle]

Not really, last I recall

Yharim is vauge as hell about most things except for how good he was at murdering people & how much he likes bees

[random mulch]

ye but are there any dev statements?

[tidal tulip]

For some things

Like, for example, Xeroc's ascension was about 800 years ago

Not a concrete date

But it's also not mentioned specifically in game, Xeroc just says "Centuries? Perhaps even a millenia?"

[clear girder]

Who ia singing in stained, brutal calamity and who are they singing to?

[split mortar]

The first part is from scals perspective
The second part is from the players perspective
Third part is from a outsiders view

-# not canon accurate tho :(

[thick slate]

me

[mighty zenith]

tru

[ionic harness]

Yharon needs like, More lore. I need to know if that dragon enjoys a thin crust or a deep dish pizza better.

[thick slate]

pibza

[daring pecan]

Def give deep dish vibes and messy eater vibes

[deft vessel]

Well since the dragon are supose to be old shool, meaning that they would rather enjoy thin crust

[daring pecan]

Ancient old school Focaccia pizza was not thin crust. I suppose it wasn't deep dish either tho lol

[wheat walrus]

focaccia 🗣️

[limpid saddle]

The dignified warrior, the last Dragon, butcherer of a thousand Gods, directly reponsible for The Crusades, Yharon, & he gives you 'messy eater vibes'

he aint a dog bro 😭 🙏

[deft vessel]

Closer to

[daring pecan]

This is exactly why he gives me messy eater vibes.

Butchered a thousand gods. Not exactly clean... eating.

[limpid saddle]

He didnt eat them

[daring pecan]

He butchered them. And is a dragon so he could have eaten them but that's still not the point. Do You think he grabs tiny grapes and eats them from a plate with his massive razors for hands?

[mighty zenith]

deep dish slaps ngl

[daring pecan]

Then again Perhaps he has a human form many mythological dragons can take on human form. But a meal of that size still probably wouldn't sate the dragon

[ionic harness]

They’re both good asf

[mighty zenith]

fair but deep dish is usually better

pizza hut deep dish is awesome

[split mortar]

Problem is, if yharon ate gods they’d get infected by god essence meaning they couldnt have

Dog and wof are explicitly the exceptions, one being made for this and one being a interdimensional being who may also be made to not get infected

[limpid saddle]

There was an entire dragon civilation, i'm sure they developed appropriately sized cutlery & fruit

[daring pecan]

He's got claws and non opposable thumbs what do you mean just cause they are civilized doesn't mean they use cutlery

[late veldt]

Didn't someone say it was canon accurate in this channel?*

-# *If you realllllyyyy stretch the meaning of the "by your rulers despondent demand" line

[split mortar]

Still characterises the terrarian

Which uh

[late veldt]

can feel par the noia

[clear girder]

What is goozma

[cloud ibex]

essentially slime god if they locked the fuck in

(and also not canon since it's an addon

[amber cedar]

god of gambling

🍧

[clear girder]

What about AoE

[split mortar]

||Some universe god thing attacking this one?|| Im unsure since i havent played, maybe addon chat could help a bit more idk

-# No addons are canon

[tall delta]

goozah

[tepid timber]

Goobler

[robust osprey]

afaik it's an entity that got its own universe destroyed by heat and wants to eat our sun since no sun no heat??? idk

[solar wharf]

wtf

calamity music isnt canon?

[pliant ruin]

avatar of emptiness is a universe

[solar wharf]

its lowkey over

its literally only over

[pliant ruin]

its the same as nameless deity

but from another universe

except said universe fucking died

so now its trying to come into ours and take over nameless deity's place because everything it knows is fucking dead

💔

atleast iirc

[real silo]

Yea pretty much

[cloud ibex]

invading god from a dead universe sounds about right

[solar wharf]

why didnt it just create another one lowkey

[robust osprey]

calamity is not canon, calamity is a calamity music addon

[pliant ruin]

why didnt avatar just create another universe? is it stupid?

[solar wharf]

yeah if its nameless deity is capital G god

then the alternative verison of it

should be also capital G god

[pliant ruin]

nameless deity is the universe

its gonna also die one day (when the universe dies)

[solar wharf]

so it aint even eternal

[pliant ruin]

atleast iirc

[solar wharf]

what type of capital G god is this

[pliant ruin]

its not a capital G god its the universe

[real silo]

Avatar is based on the concept of the heat death of the universe where the universe expands so much and so quickly that everything grows too far apart from each other
Heat gets stretched thinner and thinner and since new heat can't be created eventually everything is just dark and cold

[solar wharf]

so, i was lied to?

[pliant ruin]

yes

its literally unbeatable unless you find a way to destroy the universe in of itself though so its essentially just omnipotent until them so tahts why ppl call it capital g god

[solar wharf]

liar

you big liar

you told me this

that hes capital G god

[pliant ruin]

i learned wotg lore since then

[solar wharf]

i cant believe you'd LIE to me

my trust is DESTROYED

[real silo]

I mean avatar is still alive even with its universe dead

[pliant ruin]

avatar is dead but like not dead dead its like a corpse

[real silo]

Silva reference

[solar wharf]

they have a wild definition of a corpse in that alternative universe then damn

[real silo]

Can't believe domino karma would steal from c*lamity lore....

[pliant ruin]

she should be copyright claimed for this one

[real silo]

Avatar lore gets changed to be a healthy boy who's just a little drunk on nebula rum

Oops! Invades your universe drunkenly

[solar wharf]

is nameless deity iresponsible?

he let the terrarain clean that up?

the MORTAL?

thats like me sending my 7 year old kid off to work

[pliant ruin]

nameless actually is the one that saves you from it iirc

[real silo]

I mean no he did come and save you

You would've exploded from the static otherwise

[pliant ruin]

i forgot how wotg actually ends but i remember the prototype version had avatar just

"yknow what maybe i dont have to kill nameless"

"maybe i can just chill out here"

and then he just becomes a friend

[split mortar]

Tbf wotg had a lore rewrite

[real silo]

Never heard of that

[split mortar]

Nameless was God before the recent update

[real silo]

Afaik in the final version nameless just bitch slaps avatar back into its own universe

[pliant ruin]

wheres azzy when you need her

shes the one that toldm e all the wotg lore

(shes sleeping unfortunately. so sad!

[solar wharf]

i didnt even know AoE existed a minute ago, i am lowkey just yapping with no coherent basis for it

[split mortar]

Wotg had a huge update recently that changed basically everything iirc

[solar wharf]

thats cool

[pliant ruin]

oh right yeah

[solar wharf]

i might replay calamity just to try that

[pliant ruin]

AoE drops a pet item that lets u summon its hand to follow u around and b ur friend

and like

poor guy

It strokes the shapes and textures of your world, unfamiliar with such experiences for eons

hes just lonely :(

[split mortar]

:(

[real silo]

:(

[solar wharf]

<:3

[real silo]

blows you up

[near plank]

Aoe?

[pliant ruin]

Avatar of Emptiness

wotg stuff

[real silo]

False

Age of extinction

[pliant ruin]

Age of Egg

[real silo]

area of effect

[cloud ibex]

area of egg

[real silo]

I'll do you one better

[cloud ibex]

mount celeste(?)

[real silo]

Area of effeggt

[spare pier]

Avatar of Egg

[cloud ibex]

(i think that's what the mountain is called i forget

[real silo]

That's just jareto

[spare pier]

True.......

[cloud ibex]

true

[real silo]

@junior grove 🫵

Dragging you into hell

[cloud ibex]

crossroads of destiny meme where the light castle is 🏳️‍⚧️ and the dark castle is jareto

[real silo]

mount celeset vs evil finnish egg

[dusk laurel]

finlandia

[junior grove]

EGG?

[cloud ibex]

shoo

back to your home

🏜️

manifesting a heatwave on your location rn

[real silo]

into the frying pan for ye

[junior grove]

That is so rude

[cloud ibex]

thanks it was on purpose

i curse you with 21 degrees celsius

[junior grove]

You might curse me with heat but I just won 3 games of Overwatch

[real silo]

Jareto when he gets halfway through 0-E

[limpid saddle]

can't wait for the eventual hoardes of WOTG players who dont really understand the seperation to come in & ask 'who's avatar of emptiness?' 'why didn't nameless diety kill yharim?' & so on so forth

[tall delta]

why xeroc didnt try to stop avatar i think thats kinda evil of him

[dusk laurel]

aoe put xeroc in the gay baby jail

[cloud ibex]

xeroc going as they see a horror from another universe trying to claw itself into this one

[limpid saddle]

real

Avatar Of Emptiness is freaky asf

[keen crystal]

Ze Rock is just Dwayne Johnson sipping wine and holding a baguette in an offensively french manner btw.

[manic coral]

holy FUCk it's jareto

[tall delta]

But cheese is correct

[sleek halo]

especially since he can do approximately fuck all LOL

[cloud ibex]

i mean

[split mortar]

Unless wotg scales up the terrarian

Could xeroc not do similiar to what the terrarian does

[cloud ibex]

if the player can at least stall AoE then surely Xeroc can too

probably still not capable of doing actual harm to it but i'm sure they'd do better than the terrarian, if maybe not by much

[tall delta]

well it does

||you have the genesis||

I don't even know If thats a spoiler buut

[glossy panther]

What do you guys think of wrath of the gods

[tall delta]

the wrath of what👴

[tepid timber]

Why are the gods wrathy?

[split mortar]

Its cool

[limpid saddle]

Twisted Garden goes hard, I appreciate the anti-epileptic game design, Avatar Of Emptiness is freaky as shit, & Nameless Diety is peak fiction

[snow mountain]

primis-induced illness

i respect lucille's mastery of primitive drawing, but can't help but feel that its overused and oversaturated

I say this as a primis enthusiast

[green bay]

What if the gods went to anger management class tho

[split mortar]

Many didnt need it

[wheat fjord]

I would beat every wotg boss irl

Raw

Straight hands

[agile shuttle]

Nah slime god solos you

Because hes a god

The other ones sure

[wheat fjord]

What is a god to a none beleiber 🤓

Also slime god is just slime. I eat vro like jelly

Slurp

[dusk laurel]

we all can beat any terraria and tmod boss actually

it's called deleting the code

[pliant ruin]

[strange kestrel]

what is calamitas's age?

is she like a child or late twenties or something?

[cloud ibex]

in her twenties roughly

[indigo glade]

Late twenties.

[cloud ibex]

late twenties specifically i think

[cosmic zenith]

27-28

[robust osprey]

yeah she left yhararmy on her early twenties or so

and we fight her on her late twenties

[indigo glade]

No.

Left when she was still a teenager.

[strange kestrel]

damn shawty almost getting to mid life crysis

isnt yharim like super old

[cosmic zenith]

130s

[indigo glade]

Around 130.

[indigo glade]

Mid-life crisis and massive amount of guilt! What great burdens!

[strange kestrel]

how is he

still alive

[indigo glade]

Built different.

[robust osprey]

dragon attunment

[strange kestrel]

what is that

[robust osprey]

basically just linked souls with yharon

or something like that

[strange kestrel]

oh

[robust osprey]

it gives yharim the auric pass

[indigo glade]

The main reason is still that he is built different. He quite literally trained to peak performance day after day.

[strange kestrel]

kinda like what the monks did in the draconic era?

[robust osprey]

and be on his physical prime despite being old as fuck

but besides that, he is just built different

[indigo glade]

The only monk we know of that was confirmed to be attuned is Xeroc.

[strange kestrel]

oh damn

so xeroc was already strong af before ascending

[robust osprey]

yes xeroc was the strongest human back then

pre-ascension

[strange kestrel]

damn

how strong was azaratros back then?

[robust osprey]

strongest dragon

stronger than yharon

I think not by a big margen

[indigo glade]

Strongest thing that lived on Terraria.

[strange kestrel]

so how did they almost lose to fovos

[indigo glade]

He would be as strong as Yharim.

[strange kestrel]

fovos is pretty weak compared to other beings in calamity

[robust osprey]

prime fovos is stronger than noxus iirc

[indigo glade]

Not all of the dragons were that strong. Moon Lord is one of the most durable things ever, and was insanely powerful.

[strange kestrel]

HELP?????

[robust osprey]

prime fovos being moonlord with legs and organs

and a full skull

[strange kestrel]

what even is noxus i didnt read his lore thing

[indigo glade]

It is heavily weakened when we fight it.

[indigo glade]

It has no official lore, but from what we gather:
It created Ceaseless Void.
It commands DoG.
It has a hive mind of sorts over the majority of the Distortion.

[strange kestrel]

so its kind of the higher being on the distortion?

or is there something that can beat it

[robust osprey]

in the hierarchy, signus is equal to noxus

[strange kestrel]

DAMN?????

[cloud ibex]

ML used to be much stronger and is also insanely durable on account of being able to leech life off of everything in its vicinity

[robust osprey]

in power, yeah noxus is pretty much the strongest in distortion

[indigo glade]

It isn't part of the hive mind.

[strange kestrel]

i hope we fight noxus in the distortion when he is implemented

[indigo glade]

Aside from Signus, Storm Weaver also isn't part of it, but it doesn't seem exactly sapient.

[robust osprey]

weaver is just an animal

hungy

[strange kestrel]

storm weaver is just a little guy

i like little guys

[cosmic zenith]

For sake of reference, prime Fovos has a comparable (but still inferior) strength to Xeroc
The first God, wielder of the Primordial Light, who's going to be a literally unbeatable superboss

[robust osprey]

[strange kestrel]

WDYM LITERAL UNBEATABLE

is he just gonna fight us

[indigo glade]

As Draedon says, things that are part of the hive mind have little neurological activity themselves.

[cosmic zenith]

You just don't get to kill Xeroc

[cloud ibex]

you are not capable of killing xeroc

no matter how hard you try

[cosmic zenith]

You fight them, and they simply acknowledge your power

[strange kestrel]

is xeroc evil, good or neutral?

[indigo glade]

Something akin to a sparring match. He can just leave anytime during the fight.

[robust osprey]

neutral I think

[indigo glade]

I'd personally say good, but he acts more neutral.

[strange kestrel]

so its nameless deity of light all over again

[robust osprey]

xeroc is pretty much chilling

[cosmic zenith]

Not quite

[cloud ibex]

they'll fight you in a friendly sparring match kind of way, they'll go as close to all out as they can without turning you into ash baby jpeg, they'll go "woah damn dude that's cool lmao" and leave

[strange kestrel]

i wouldnt say he is good considering what he did to xeroc

[cosmic zenith]

Nameless Deity is an omnipotent being

Xeroc is just too strong to be defeated

[light linden]

one is flat out impossible to harm at all

the other is a sparring match

[strange kestrel]

what he did to azaratros i mean

[indigo glade]

As far as we know, he doesn't stop Yharim, but he is also focusing on extra-terrestrial threats, and had a just cause for becoming a God.

[dusk laurel]

zeratros*

[robust osprey]

xeroc literally made the surface more livable, since with zeratros the sun slaps hard

[strange kestrel]

yeah

[robust osprey]

and it was literally unlivable

[strange kestrel]

damn

[robust osprey]

at a point where living in literal hell was better than surface

[strange kestrel]

so thats why he had the mask and stuff?

[cosmic zenith]

(Not really, just beware of serious sunburn if you're not wearing full-body coverage)

[cloud ibex]

presumably yes

[strange kestrel]

pretty cool

[indigo glade]

I wonder how it would be like living near the equator.

During that time.

[cosmic zenith]

Assuming Terraria has seasons

[strange kestrel]

sooo aside from xeroc and yharon, is old duke the oldest living thing ever?

[cloud ibex]

plus a bit of it being a religious outfit if i had to hazard a guess

[robust osprey]

it is like 40°C normally I can't imagine during that time

[manic coral]

mostly for surface protection

[robust osprey]

atleast where I live

[cloud ibex]

i think PW is up there

[cosmic zenith]

(Seasons are a fabrication of Earth's tilted rotational axis)

[manic coral]

i mean, serious sunburns can kill you

[strange kestrel]

pw?

[manic coral]

at least

[indigo glade]

Primordial Wyrm. Some other Gods would be around the same age as Xeroc

[manic coral]

those types

[cloud ibex]

primordial wyrm

[strange kestrel]

oh

[manic coral]

[dusk laurel]

The elementals

[cosmic zenith]

Yeah but the Surface isn't unlivable since you can mamage with proper clothing

[strange kestrel]

is primordial wyrm a god or just a funky worm

[manic coral]

ye

[cloud ibex]

it's a dragon

[dusk laurel]

draconic offshoot

[manic coral]

need proper protection and some caution

[strange kestrel]

its a WHAT

[dusk laurel]

so just a normal dragon

[cloud ibex]

not an auric one but still a dragon

[cosmic zenith]

Yeah, the Elementals are probably the most ancient you get

[indigo glade]

Dragon descendant. The first of the wyrm kind.

[strange kestrel]

LIKE THE FOLLIES AND DUKE?

[dusk laurel]

Yes

[manic coral]

yeah

[cloud ibex]

yea

[manic coral]

all eidolon wyrms all

[strange kestrel]

oh fuck

[dusk laurel]

the current design is not reflective of this btw

[manic coral]

they're directly mentuioned by the Dragonfolly whisper as one of them iirc

[strange kestrel]

i saw the redesign

[dusk laurel]

no

that was a placeholder

[strange kestrel]

oh?

[dusk laurel]

and barely a redesign

same body plan

[manic coral]

wait until you end up seeing what Old Duke is gonna look like

[strange kestrel]

okay okay now just a question

[dusk laurel]

[strange kestrel]

who cracked the dragons to cause wyrms and fishrons to be born

[indigo glade]

Age order would be Elementals -> Yharon-> Primordial Wyrm or Old Duke -> Old Duke or Primordial Wyrm -> Xeroc -> Most other Gods -> Permafrost (~500 years old) -> Yharim.

[strange kestrel]

is that weird sprite also a placeholder???

[dusk laurel]

what

no the resprite is not a placeholder

[strange kestrel]

oh

[cosmic zenith]

Melee hunters fighting Old Duke be like

[dusk laurel]

it will be final, it's just a wip

[indigo glade]

The resprite isn't done yet...

[strange kestrel]

i like the concept though

[robust osprey]

do we know how old is noxus

[dusk laurel]

not really

[indigo glade]

Oh, right.

[strange kestrel]

FUCK YOU MEAN HOG RIDER????

[dusk laurel]

older than xeroc at the minimum

[cosmic zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/hog-rider-pig-rider-coc-gif-23937747

[indigo glade]

Uhh. I know the Distortion was "old".

Need to check Draedon's inquiry.

[dusk laurel]

older than all life on terraria

iirc

[manic coral]

yharon's age being, at absolute minimum 2000 years old

if not far older

[strange kestrel]

what year does the game take place in

when the terrarian takes action

[cosmic zenith]

(Actual age, note than he rebirths so his physical age doesn't ncessarily reflect it)

[manic coral]

going by the azafurian calander, some point after 1886

and how long it takes is purp[osefully left unclear

[indigo glade]

Correct. This means Noxus and Signus both have the chance to be older than Yharon, and possibly the Elementals.

[strange kestrel]

is the calendar ordered in before xeroc and after xeroc?

[cosmic zenith]

Xeroc ascended in 1037

[indigo glade]

After Azafure's foundation.

[strange kestrel]

i see

[manic coral]

the Calander starts from Azafure's founding which was during the Draconic Era

[strange kestrel]

so what marked year zero?

oh i see

[manic coral]

Xeroc is old, but Yharon predates the most commonly used calander

[strange kestrel]

thats awesome

[manic coral]

and again 2000 years old is the lowball

[cosmic zenith]

Draconic Era my beloved........

[manic coral]

realisticlaly, older than that

[strange kestrel]

cei is there a lore reason why astral ore cant be mined before the astrum deus is dead

[manic coral]

maybe

[dusk laurel]

it will be next update

you just cant get the ore until deus

[sinful adder]

I would guess it's comparable to the rest of the dragons, like life and death, maybe millions of years

[manic coral]

i do not answer stuff directly unless it's stated in game already usually

[sinful adder]

Also, Cei

What is the moon

[manic coral]

.

[sinful adder]

I suppose- yeah

We'll find out someday

[manic coral]

usually

[indigo glade]

Luminite, maybe.

[cosmic zenith]

It is a satellite formation orbiting Terraria

[indigo glade]

Wow!

[strange kestrel]

damn i had high hopes ever since you told us about the cosmilite thing

[manic coral]

there are some exceptions here and there like i did on christmas and also in other stuf i write like Embers

though Embers and other stuf flike that i end up writing is

Purely from my own main take on the story

[strange kestrel]

i still want goozma back

[manic coral]

Speaking of I need to finish at least generic permafrost dialogue and then some topics some more so I can return to making Atoms

[strange kestrel]

i will never forgive yall devs for removing goozma from the lore

he was my favorite

[dusk laurel]

just play HotOG

[strange kestrel]

well yeah

[dusk laurel]

i mean the lore is different from the original

[robust osprey]

your terrarian can be a weakened humanoid goozma that wants to regain its importance

[dusk laurel]

but i feel an entity like old lore goozma wouldnt fit in cal's narrative
i can at most see it get mentioned in passing

[strange kestrel]

that would be peak cinema

[strange kestrel]

he could be a puppet master and controlling the slime god behind everything

[cosmic zenith]

Goozma would only really fit a hypothetical scenario

[manic coral]

suffered from "boss what was holding back the whole time or wasn't at peak power #27" syndrome that old lore kinda had too

[robust osprey]

goozma is a silly jellyfish

[cosmic zenith]

Actually it's a pretty interesting concept for a Embers-style thing

[strange kestrel]

what is embers

[strange kestrel]

hes my favorite little dude

[dusk laurel]

cal short story cei made, that is NOT canon

just a hypothetical

[strange kestrel]

where do i see it?

[gritty kraken]

What if scenario thing with providence

[dusk laurel]

#lore-discussion message

[manic coral]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sOIzU-3BE3gVGlReWoJGt12ZiMpj3bqYjeydjvbWY9c/edit?usp=sharing

[strange kestrel]

ooooooooo

thanks cei

[manic coral]

tbh im sad i didn't have much oppurtunity to sahre it more

it might be my favorite thing for cal i've made

[strange kestrel]

i wonder if gods receive their physical form related to the soul they absorb or from their morals or motivation

[dusk laurel]

im excited for the others too

since embers gave a lot of incite

[gritty kraken]

Do old Duke and aquatic scourges just chill ignoring each other in sulphur sea or something

[manic coral]

yeah Embers is in a state of, non canon obviously due to it's nature, but references cnaonical information

[dusk laurel]

OD only attacks thing that are a threat to it, and food i think

[robust osprey]

like a fnaf book

[strange kestrel]

so they chill

[dusk laurel]

Yep

it would have been dead by now if they werent

[strange kestrel]

they are both the apex predators of the sulphur sea and they just exist

[dusk laurel]

since OD well

doesnt have a great track record

[gritty kraken]

Thought it would maul things for fun because what it did to young fishron and stuffs

[dusk laurel]

AS is a filter feeder, OD is the true apex predator

[strange kestrel]

i used to think OD was duke fishrons father and he was getting revenge on us ( i was 13)

[robust osprey]

I thought the same, except OD was the grandpa

[dusk laurel]

Now we might go on a side quest to kill OD

[strange kestrel]

guys what is yalls favorite boss based on design and lore

[cloud ibex]

CUUUUUURRRSEEEE YOOOOOUUUUU DUUUUUKEEE

[robust osprey]

exos

if we add draedon to it

[strange kestrel]

signus for me

[indigo glade]

If this would be completely about lore, it'd be Cryogen. I love the found family trope...

[dusk laurel]

Based

[strange kestrel]

do we know how and why the terrarian is so stupid strong?

[dusk laurel]

[gritty kraken]

The terrarian is

[dusk laurel]

read this

[cloud ibex]

they're just goated with the sauce

[robust osprey]

terrarian is YOU!!!!

[strange kestrel]

LOL

[gritty kraken]

Ravager

[strange kestrel]

WHY DO WE HAVE THIS EMOJI

[dusk laurel]

nah

private server

[strange kestrel]

old design or new design

[indigo glade]

YOU decide the lore of the t...

[gritty kraken]

Both r good

new better

[dusk laurel]

name too long 💔

dies

[strange kestrel]

now not only just limited to ingame content, what is yall's favorite character from the lore

[robust osprey]

green slime

[dusk laurel]

either permafrost or braelor

[robust osprey]

permafrost or scal to me

[strange kestrel]

my boy braelor ❤️‍🩹

i love his wood-like armor

[pliant ruin]

🔥

i NEED

a npc that fucking vehemently hates old duke

[dusk laurel]

please make a new one when old duke gets renamed

[light linden]

draedon

[cloud ibex]

i will

[dusk laurel]

fire...

thank you Leon

[strange kestrel]

draedon kinda cool

[cloud ibex]

i try my best

[languid badge]

he's not that bad :(

[light linden]

random thing

[strange kestrel]

i just dont like what he did to those poor bees

[light linden]

eh

[cloud ibex]

DUKE... VILE DUKE... O, TERROR INCARNATE...

[light linden]

prolly better than draedon making a lifeform of his own

[indigo glade]

Single bee. You can blame the rest of the bees being plagued on Yharim.

[strange kestrel]

what decides a god's strength?

[dusk laurel]

the strength of the dragon and ascendee

[strange kestrel]

ah

[robust osprey]

the pre-ascension strenght, dragon strenght and probably the domain

[dusk laurel]

domain plays a role too

[manic coral]

and also

[dusk laurel]

also training

[manic coral]

post-ascension training ofc

[light linden]

hey cei can I ask a question?

[manic coral]

think of it less like a direct pwoerup and more like having an EXP Booster and a bunch of new skills

[cloud ibex]

PoE2 ascension class................

[strange kestrel]

so providence wasnt as strong when she instantly ascended?

[manic coral]

nope

[dusk laurel]

providence gains a lot of power from the faith of her followers

[strange kestrel]

faith enpowers gods?

[robust osprey]

providence has the most strong power of all, lesbian power

[strange kestrel]

true

[light linden]

@pliant ruin

[dusk laurel]

reign of yuri

[pliant ruin]

cccccccalmaits

[robust osprey]

providence, the yuri goddess

[pliant ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/miri-and-eli-madohomu-homumado-homura-madoka-gif-27546958

yuri...........

[robust osprey]

yuri!!!

[strange kestrel]

i like to think providence is a lesbian and braelor is zesty

[robust osprey]

braelor is bottom fr

[dusk laurel]

💥

[robust osprey]

and statis top

[dusk laurel]

let's not start this one up again

[strange kestrel]

arent they brothers?

[dusk laurel]

no..

[robust osprey]

no

[dusk laurel]

they're lovers

[strange kestrel]

oh thank god

yeah better

[mortal osprey]

What if when you finally meet yharim he takes off his helmet and he's just a slime

[robust osprey]

what if yharim is...goozma!!!

[spare pier]

Tbh I'd prefer to not have

Literally Igon in the mod

Old Duke is inspired by Bayle of course but there's a difference between being inspired and outright copying it

[cloud ibex]

put Literally Ahab in the mod instead

[spare pier]

True........

That doesn't mean I'm not going to make a little Moby Dick tho

[cosmic zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/rudy-ice-age-ice-age-3-baryonyx-dinosaur-gif-18293701554844394656

Old Duke and the Bandit

[spare pier]

I actually really like this movie

I think every Ice Age movie is pretty cool ngl, aside from 5

[cosmic zenith]

This one is pretty cool

[pliant ruin]

THE FAULT LIES WITHIN YOU, TERRARIAN!!

[spare pier]

1, 2 and 3 are the ones I consider actually fun as fuck

[cosmic zenith]

Buck is just peak

[spare pier]

4 is just

I think it's funny

[pliant ruin]

Yah dw i was just joking around

[cloud ibex]

i had a feeling you were gonna say that

[pliant ruin]

but a npc that does genuinely have a bit of a moby dick relationship with old duke would be comical....

[cosmic zenith]

Bandit.......

[pliant ruin]

i feel like

[cloud ibex]

i don't even know anything project moon i've just absorbed that line through osmosis from gao

[pliant ruin]

itd make more sense

if it was the pirate

[spare pier]

Tbh in the Bandit's case it'd work better as, you know

Buck

[cosmic zenith]

Of course

[cloud ibex]

even if you don't make him do a full ahab it'd be funny if the pirate at least referenced it in a couple lines

[spare pier]

I think it'd be cool to have some sort of reverse moby dick relationship between them and Old Duke

Where Old Duke is the one who wants the Bandit fucking gone

[cosmic zenith]

Would be awesome but how do you convey that

Old Duke dialogue real

[spare pier]

We'll think about that later

[indigo glade]

Old Duke targets the Bandit if they're nearby.

[cosmic zenith]

But uh

Isn't that literally Buck and Rudy

Buck doesn't really want Rudy gone

[indigo glade]

Or maybe have Bandit make you hunt Old Duke?

[spare pier]

Yeah, which is why I brought that up

[cosmic zenith]

Rudy ABSOLUTELY wants Buck gone

[cloud ibex]

eridanus getting sidetracked from fighting you to beat the shit out of deviantt if she's nearby

[spare pier]

It'd also be different considering Buck is kinda fucking insane

[dusk laurel]

clearly the OD quests will be from Bandit

[indigo glade]

I just said this...

[spare pier]

It'd be a different relationship for sure, it's hard to make a Moby Dick and Ahab relationship be distinct, because even if we dialed it up to 11 uh

Igon and Bayle exist now

[cosmic zenith]

Nonbinary rapscallion vs. ancient dragonborn bane of the seas

[spare pier]

Ture

[cosmic zenith]

Who would win

[spare pier]

And yeah we want to expand on some NPC dialogue for Cal, like

[indigo glade]

Coughing baby VS Hydrogen Bomb.

[spare pier]

I want unironically to make every single NPC talk about DoG

[thick slate]

nb solos

[spare pier]

Like, I think a lot of NPCs wouldn't really talk about Yharim for example, for multiple reasons really

But DoG is the one bitch I think is on everyone's mouth because every week you'll hear he killed another God

[cosmic zenith]

And, let's be honest

[spare pier]

As much as Yharim is, y'know, Yharim

[cosmic zenith]

He is absolutely a poser

[spare pier]

DoG is much more of a celebrity than he is

[cosmic zenith]

Exactly, DoG is a celebrity

[indigo glade]

"Holy shit, is that a big-ass fucking worm from another world killing Gods every other day? And it has cool-ass armour made by Draedon??"

[late veldt]

people like DoG in universe?

[spare pier]

I think it varies

[gritty kraken]

I smell ice age 3 somewhere here

[spare pier]

Some people definitely know he is an asshole behind the scenes, and obviously those who were God-aligned despise him

[cloud ibex]

just like irl

[cosmic zenith]

God this reminds me of a Nohit lounge sticker controversy

[cloud ibex]

[cosmic zenith]

It was fucking hilarious

[spare pier]

But I'd say anyone who agrees with Yharim and don't know much better view DoG as the goat

Fuck, I unironically thought of just having some people follow him instead of Yharim because he's more active in the god killing nowadays

[late veldt]

maybe if I did nohits I would be forced to actually get good at Terraria

but then again maybe I'm biased because my most recent (singleplayer) experience is For The Worthy and that is. absolutely hellish

[indigo glade]

I'd like to make an analogy, but I don't think it'd be alright to say here.

[cosmic zenith]

We should call them the Underdogs

[spare pier]

I know what you're gonna say, don't worry

[indigo glade]

#1264760793510055957 message

[late veldt]

ohe

[dusk laurel]

Seeker of Bangers

SoB

[indigo glade]

😭

[spare pier]

Byeah, DoG is the one guy who literally everyone knows about because he also brings a lot more attention to himself

• It's like

Really hard to foreshadow DoG properly

[indigo glade]

Does he also talk a lot about things he doesn't understand?

And pretend to be a gamer to be hip with the kids?

[spare pier]

Specially because I really want to stick with the whole "you'll never met DoG before the fight"

[late veldt]

I really would have thought the person working for the otherworldly shadow being with nefarious goals would choose to be more. elusive

[spare pier]

This is more of a Yharim thing

[dusk laurel]

the similarities get even closer...

[indigo glade]

I don't think you can be elusive with DoG.

[spare pier]

Yeah, he is

Way too fucking big

[late veldt]

know fair

but like

[indigo glade]

That's just a giant snake, teleporting into a massively populated area...

[late veldt]

mysterious

[indigo glade]

Working on your side...

[late veldt]

unknowable

[spare pier]

I mean, he is mysterious

No one knows what the fuck is ACTUALLY his deal

[indigo glade]

Explain that, Yellow Man.

[spare pier]

He just showed up one day, wanted to be hired by Yharim, and it happened

And since then he just went around eating Gods

[dusk laurel]

DoG just wanted to be employed guys

[spare pier]

Yharim is the only one who thinks there's something behind him

[late veldt]

Did Yharim not try to run a background check on this guy from who knows the fuck where who just appears one day and wants to join your side

That's like

Cecil 101 idfk

[spare pier]

Which is why I think the best way of foreshadowing DoG is just

Make LITERALLY EVERYONE TALK ABOUT HIM

[cloud ibex]

what kind of background check could you run on something like DoG

[spare pier]

You know this guy exists, probably before even playing Cal

But all you hear about is word of mouth, a bunch of contradicting takes, people saying he is an amazing guy, others saying he is a monster

[late veldt]

yeah his theme song is fucking everywhere

[spare pier]

So, of course

Players would be excited to finally fight him

To see how DoG really is

[cosmic zenith]

Hold my ambrosia

[late veldt]

I wonder if his assholishness is going to be toned down or up

[spare pier]

Is this guy who everyone talks about truly everything he's been built up to?

[cosmic zenith]

(There are ways, we just haven't gotten there)

We could use the Sentinels to foreshadow DoG in pretty cool ways

[spare pier]

I want to somewhat bring back his old "CoD player" vibes but like

Instead of being a 13 year old

He is a 30 year old

[cloud ibex]

By the gods

[dusk laurel]

[late veldt]

so or more or less likely to call you the worst things imaginable

[cloud ibex]

He’s a Kick streamer

[spare pier]

He isn't the guy who will scream on the mic when he's losing

He's the guy who will get really angry, try to dox you, and then probably get away with it

[gritty kraken]

Would DoG use other people CoD gameplay and voice over it as if it was his

[spare pier]

Probably

[cosmic zenith]

That is quite the sinister description

I like it

DoG is supposed to be menacing

[spare pier]

Yeah, like DoG is a powerful, arrogant asshole, but he does crack when he's put under pressure

[pliant ruin]

i think signus is a good opportunity

[spare pier]

But he doesn't throw a tantrum when he's losing

He just tries EVEN HARDER TO KILL YOU

And also tells you to go fuck yourself

[pliant ruin]

SIgnus is sapient as far as i'm aware and theres been discussions thrown abt not actually killing him in his fight right? So i wonder if like

actual

Signus dialogue

wouldnt be too out of pocket

[dusk laurel]

tringler

the fount of knowledge

[spare pier]

I think that's the biggest difference in DoG's demeanor compared to old lore

Before, he threw a tantrum when he was about to lose

[pliant ruin]

Signus dialogue could be a cool way to do some distortion exposure

[spare pier]

Now, he just cracks and gets progressively more pissed

[pliant ruin]

i just want more signus content hes my boy

best of the distortion dudes

[cosmic zenith]

We have focused a lot on how excessively boastful and overrated DoG is, but that's mostly from the perspective of powerful characters

[indigo glade]

Signus' dialogue being extremely vague would be funny...

[cosmic zenith]

DoG is more bark than bite

But he's still one hell of a bite

[pliant ruin]

So literal to the point it's vague

Like he's literally so literal that you can't really understand what he means

[spare pier]

Yeah, DoG is basically the dunning kruger effect

[pliant ruin]

DoG is horrifying

[spare pier]

He is strong, yeah

[pliant ruin]

until you are stronger than him, that is

[spare pier]

But he's not the strongest

[cosmic zenith]

And I definitely want him to be a grandiose and ominous looming threat as you kill the Sentinels

[pliant ruin]

dont kill signus leave him alone

please i beg

pleas

itd be so cool to have a distortion creature thats not outright destructive/evil and just morally gray,,,,,

[spare pier]

And everyone who is stronger than DoG knows he puts himself a bit too high

[tidal tulip]

They're still referred to as the sentinels?

[spare pier]

Then again, he has good reason for that

[indigo glade]

I mean, we kill things that aren't outright destructive and evil.

[cosmic zenith]

Not really, just a convenience term

[spare pier]

There are like

[indigo glade]

Such as Aquatic Scourge.

[spare pier]

10 people he got to see stronger than him

[cosmic zenith]

You're killing the lieutenants
The boss is watching silently
And he's tightening his coil around you

[pliant ruin]

Aquatic Scourge is a random animal hes not a fully sapient creature like Signus

and regardless PLEA

[indigo glade]

Uh...

We kill Empress of Light, and we don't know if she is explicitly evil.

[cosmic zenith]

When you face DoG and you think "huh, this is actually manageable"
He then ensnares you, brings you to his home turf, and puts on his infamous armor

[spare pier]

Yharon, Calamitas, Yharim, Braelor, maybe Statis, Draedon he was probably always aware he could just make something stronger than him

[indigo glade]

Same with Slime God.

[cosmic zenith]

You're fucked

[pliant ruin]

Slime God and Empress blast us out of nowhere with light blast and divine slime death ray

i think they deserved it

[spare pier]

DoG is the one character I'm like

[pliant ruin]

Signus on the other hand is (supposedly) going to be a deal with us

it'd be weird to kill bro while making a deal with him

[spare pier]

Ok, I think he's absolutely the one who needs a spawn like Moon Lord

[cosmic zenith]

I really hope we can make Old Duke, DoG and Yharon feel actually larger than life

[indigo glade]

Isn't the deal something related to saving Statis or something...

[pliant ruin]

yeah

[spare pier]

I'm glad at least every Post Moon Lord Boss is reaching a state where I'm like

Ok yeah

Everything there feels truly monumental

[indigo glade]

Win being saving him, losing means Signus does... something... to us.

[spare pier]

I think Weaver, Guardians and Folly are the three still in iffy positions

[indigo glade]

Why did Signus want arm and leg...

[spare pier]

Weaver and Guardians won't really change, but Folly might still become an event so

[cosmic zenith]

I think presentation-wise they could all use some work

[indigo glade]

Fight for Folly event, then fight for Distortion bosses re-organisation.

[spare pier]

Well actually Weaver will probably change

[pliant ruin]

Weaver being pre-prov right?

[gritty kraken]

Rocket raccoon type behavior

[spare pier]

Guardians shouldn't really feel as if you are fighting something monumental because otherwise that just draws a lot of attention from Provi and that's something I have talked about a lot

[indigo glade]

Oh.

[spare pier]

I think the latter is way easier to talk everyone into

It's like

Literally barely even a tier of difference

[indigo glade]

You know...

[spare pier]

CV stays where it is, Weaver gets moved one tier behind (he locks basically nothing anyways), Signus gets moved a tier ahead (he will probably unlock a lot more so)

Weaver unlocks like

One armor set

[indigo glade]

Prismatic.

[late veldt]

What the hell is even up with weaver anyways

[spare pier]

And like

How many weapons?

[indigo glade]

Around three with Armoured Shells, I think?

Then one for each class as boss drops.

[late veldt]

like. Portal to hell. Lucifer. another worm

[spare pier]

HE DOESN'T EVEN LOCK THE PRISMATIC SET

PROVIDENCE DOES

[indigo glade]

I was wrong.

It was five.

[late veldt]

storm weaver feels utterly irrelevant to the overall story and the worldbuilding

[spare pier]

Yeah Weaver locks 5 weapons

[indigo glade]

Aqua's Scepter, Corinth Prime, Seadragon, Stellar Torus Staff, Twisting Thunder.

[spare pier]

Technically 6 but like

Seadragon would probably remain where it is but use Ruinous Souls instead of Necroplasm

[late veldt]

not even the same species as DoG

[spare pier]

You forgot Teslastaff btw

[indigo glade]

I think its useful for saying "Hey, Noxus' hive mind doesn't perfectly remove all capabilities of self-function."

[indigo glade]

So I did.

[spare pier]

And then Weaver himself drops 3 weapons, one which is probably being moved out of it later anyways

As much as Post ML is a tier

[indigo glade]

Is Corinth Prime going to keep using Realm Ravager after Ravager is reworked?

[spare pier]

I don't think 7 extra weapons would make it explode

[spare pier]

Probably?

So like

6 weapons

Some of which could just stay as Post Polter or be moved to be Post Ravager too

[cosmic zenith]

Providence needs to be the flame of absolution
Weaver needs to be the unrivaled superpredator
Signus needs to be the eldritch faust gambling with your life
Ceaseless Void needs to be the abyss that stares back
Ravager needs to be death, itself deathless
Polterghast needs to be the rampage of a thousand broken minds
Old Duke needs to be the primordial wrath of the seas
Devourer needs to be the divinely eldritch, coiling ever closer
Yharon needs to be the draconic avatar of immortality

They all should feel this grandiose, but... they don't, really

SCal and Exos do, though

Thankfully

[indigo glade]

Wrath of the Seas?

New mod confirmed?!

[cosmic zenith]

....

[indigo glade]

I'm sorry.

[spare pier]

And then Signus locks

Actually it doesn't matter

Because Signus drops are viable in DoG already

[gritty kraken]

Not with Reworked primordial wdym

[cosmic zenith]

Yharon getting his resprite, a sick ass P2 appearance, some visual polish to his attacks and his "revive" back should be enough

[spare pier]

Moving Signus to be "Pre-DoG" like OD would like

Require some minor stat buffs and that's it

[cosmic zenith]

But all the rest needs plenty of work

[dusk laurel]

no way

phase 2 unique sprite

[cosmic zenith]

Didn't say that

[pliant ruin]

eldritch w h a t

[cosmic zenith]

We already have some pretty sick ideas for Weaver, Signus, Polterghast and maybe Old Duke, at least

[indigo glade]

Aether's Whisper, King of Constellations Tenryu, Magnetic Meltdown, Seven's Striker.

[spare pier]

Yeah, from what I know all of those are viable on DoG anyways

Two of them a bit too viable

[indigo glade]

I assume you mean Tenryu and Seven's Striker.

I believe Seven's Striker is fine now

But during its initial release...

Not sure on Aether's Whisper and Magnetic Meltdown, though.

[cosmic zenith]

?

[indigo glade]

Don't worry about it.

Just brain rot.

[dusk laurel]

the company

[cosmic zenith]

Radiance and NKG in Hollow Knight do a fantastic job feeling larger than life

[indigo glade]

Title cards go a long way.

[cosmic zenith]

I can only hope we can evoke such feeling of "holy shit what have I gotten myself into"

[cosmic zenith]

They're just part of it tbh

[indigo glade]

And also how the music starts.

[cosmic zenith]

I'd say the music carries a lot more

Yeah

[indigo glade]

Especially Radiance's.

[gritty kraken]

Using truffle worms as a bait for the first time

[cosmic zenith]

NKG's theme (I'm listening to it rn) is just filled with such an overwhelming tension

It feels like you're fighting for your life and every second it might prove to not be enough

[cosmic zenith]

This said

NKG's title card being vivid, blood red is raw as fuck

[late veldt]

yeah music is a great way to sette tone

[languid badge]

aethers is hilariously bad and magnetic is just solid

[eager bluff]

i would listen to nkg so much but i personally dont like the bursts of dissonance all that much

[late veldt]

what's Yharim's War Crimes Per Second?

[pliant ruin]

its not brainrot shes my friend, g

[pliant ruin]

nkg theme is my fav

in the hollow knight ost

[hollow isle]

i think in terms of calamity, unholy insurgency does this extremely well and honestly i think the opening of stained brutal calamity playing while the ashes burn over the alter would do a lot for that fight as well

[light linden]

ik I'm late to the convo but uh

kinda feel like even a unique spawn animation for some of the bosses would help a lot with that

[cosmic zenith]

Agreed

[light linden]

or hell even something as simple as what the moon lord does

[light linden]

actually this reminds me of an animation I worked on for the destroyer years ago

where you can see probes rushing to the side that it spawns on in the background shortly before it spawns

[pliant ruin]

hi lore chat

how r we doing

[split mortar]

Dead

[pliant ruin]

sad

[finite orbit]

why is xeroc piss colored now

[pliant ruin]

cuz light is portrayed as yellow in media usually

sunlight even more so

and xerocs entire deal is

yk

sunlight

[finite orbit]

damn

[pliant ruin]

it was red bc of xerocs association with bloodmoon in old lore but now he dont have that so yeah

[finite orbit]

does that mean bossrush is yellow now

[pliant ruin]

yeah it probably will be i think

[finite orbit]

i hope xeroc dies and goes to hell for that

[wheat walrus]

piss rush