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#lore-discussion
hollow isle
yharim
sleek halo
Yharim in the last year has trained yeah
manic coral
yharim or xer- actually the answer is yes either way
sleek halo
For reference
the exo mechs strength are based on the last time here Yharim & Draedon met
manic coral
yeah
deft vessel
Continent, small continent. Pretty much the same thing
sleek halo
meaning in those few months
hollow isle
which was how long ago
manic coral
that was Draedon's goalpost for the exo mechs
sleek halo
Yharim has gained
manic coral
Continent, small continent. Pretty much the same thing
i mean
sleek halo
a good deal of strength
mighty zenith
which was how long ago
couple months
manic coral
that's anywhere from a 5x to 20x difference in strength
manic coral
couple months
at miimum
hollow isle
oh thats all?? damn
sleek halo
st least enough to put a substantial difference between him and the exo mechs
manic coral
that's anywhere from a 5x to 20x difference in strength
and like
sleek halo
anywhere from a couple of months before the game
lretty sure it’s specifically stated to be
months
manic coral
asusming both opponents are equally skilled in a fight
x2 stronger is enough to basically curbstomp your opponent
sleek halo
I see no reason for Draedon to be incorrect about the time frame lmao
deft vessel
that's anywhere from a 5x to 20x difference in strength
Couldnt remember the numbers
manic coral
it's nto a matter fo remembering jsut a matter of
hollow isle
i guess i fail to understand how the power scale is as low as it is. don't we have a supermassive interdimensional snake that can rip open a hole to his home dimension and come out at will
manic coral
comapring the size of two continents
sleek halo
i guess i fail to understand how the power scale is as low as it is. don't we ha...
yeah but it’s not really that exactly
hollow isle
that sounds like some dragon ball shit and yet he's apparently nowhere near that
manic coral
i guess i fail to understand how the power scale is as low as it is. don't we ha...
yes except for the rip open a hole part
it's just a portal
mighty zenith
yeah i dont think chell portal is multidimensional level tbh
hoary cape
He just opens a portal and comes through it closes right after
mighty zenith
just a hunch
manic coral
yeah i dont think chell portal is multidimensional level tbh
yeha by that logic Chell from Portal is super strong
sleek halo
like
hollow isle
hmm i see
sleek halo
the most impressive use of a portal like that
hollow isle
sorry if i sound dumb im genuinely trying to wrap my head around it
mighty zenith
its oke
manic coral
i mean there is oen difining frame of reference
hollow isle
is void sentient or is it just a void
manic coral
calamitas evaporating like half a sea over the course of about 3-4 days
void is void
hollow isle
ok its an object
sleek halo
calamitas evaporating like half a sea over the course of about 3-4 days
Yeah
Which honestly
the most impressive thing is
her endurance LOL
or well stamina
mighty zenith
imagine she had to take breaks to drink water
sleek halo
She probably took breaks but they couldn’t have been that long
hollow isle
why did she do that again
mighty zenith
yharim
sleek halo
Yharim
manic coral
and like
sleek halo
Using her as a super weapon
mighty zenith
living nuke basically
sleek halo
living nuke basically
nuke isn’t even accurate tbh
hollow isle
does she have nuke level destructive power even
sleek halo
she’s like a living asteriod LOL
split mortar
does she have nuke level destructive power even
Yes
Storm weaver is comparable to 8 megaton nukes iirc
manic coral
some people will go "city level characters are so weak :/" meanwhile the bomb dropped on hrishima is hardly city level
mighty zenith
powerscaling brainrot
sleek halo
some people will go "city level characters are so weak :/" meanwhile the bomb dr...
I think it’s because u can’t really
mighty zenith
if its not interdimensional its weak
sleek halo
even imagine that
like imagininng a city being wiped out is hard
and also it doesn’t sound that impressive
like it’s just a “city” but like
manic coral
like i dunno i think the fact that yharim is comparable to a nuke with jsut pure physical might in terms of hitting power is pretty impressive imo
mighty zenith
way easier than imagining a universe being erased tbh
sleek halo
cities are big
hollow isle
i feel like people do forget how much stronger than any living being in the real world, a city level guy is
manic coral
i feel like people do forget how much stronger than any living being in the real...
not even that
mighty zenith
way easier than imagining a universe being erased tbh
like
how could you potray the scale of that in an accurate way
manic coral
just large building level
sleek halo
Hell
wall level
Imagine seeing someone obliterate a fucking concrete wall
that’d be out of this world
manic coral
wall level already makes you stronger than pretty much everybody alive
hollow isle
being able to smack a building in one hit irl would be actually terrifying
mighty zenith
a regular-ass green slime could kill you in under a minute
sleek halo
A zombie would rock ur shit
hollow isle
id fuck up a green slime idc
sleek halo
id fuck up a green slime idc
if u kick it
split mortar
Yeah like
Killing king slime makes you a local legend
sleek halo
it hurts you
split mortar
id fuck up a green slime idc
How
hollow isle
ill concede that id lose to anything else
split mortar
Elaborate
sleek halo
u need to shoot it
hollow isle
im not losing to a green slime
manic coral
i feel like some people don't undersatnd how massive the jumps from normal human level to jsut wlal level is
sleek halo
with something
manic coral
or wall level to building level
sleek halo
i feel like some people don't undersatnd how massive the jumps from normal human...
yeah
manic coral
that's like
sleek halo
especially because being able to put out that much force
means u can take it
so if you punched a wall level dude
you just punched a fucking wall
your hand probably broke
LOL
manic coral
that's like
i fele like it's so often treated like 2x, 3x, mayeb 5x stronger at most
no wall level to building level is like
a power jump of around 100 times realistically
sleek halo
probably more
hollow isle
putting it in this perspective makes it all make a lot more sense
sleek halo
like
manic coral
a power jump of around 100 times realistically
and consdiering that asusmignt wo equally skilled opponents
sleek halo
effectively just atoms
manic coral
that really puts things into perspective
sleek halo
there’d honestly be no gore LOL
you would just be
gone
like if a nuke hit you tier
hollow isle
like a nuke but it hits only specifically you
manic coral
people think of being able to atomize somebody with a punch as like planet level sometime sbut no realistically that'd be more like just city level or large town level
hollow isle
thats assuming the large town level individual is punching a regular human right
split mortar
people think of being able to atomize somebody with a punch as like planet level...
Hinestly prob less
split mortar
thats assuming the large town level individual is punching a regular human right
Yeah
manic coral
most people really just don't realize how utterly MASSIVE the jumps from normal person to wall to building to city block to small town to large town to city to country to continent are
there is at least like a 100 times difference in strength in between all of those
split mortar
Touching Auric alone is prob
Uh
Stronger then most to all normal bombs made
small jay
-# sry to interrupt, but despite me peeking into this channel a lot this is probably the most headache-inducing topic I've seen so far
manic coral
is just something i see people complain about with cal sometimes and it's jsut like
????
split mortar
-# sry to interrupt, but despite me peeking into this channel a lot this is prob...
Lmao
manic coral
i don't think some people actually understand the implications of strength just being able to destroy a building in one punch has
hollow isle
i just think it would be funny if calamitas could throw hands with goku thats all
spring helm
i thought they were about the same
sleek halo
i just think it would be funny if calamitas could throw hands with goku thats al...
fair
hollow isle
it def makes a lot more sense that thats not a thing
sleek halo
but tbf
think about this
calamitas can probably beat any living human ever
in a fist fight
LOL
sleek halo
yeah
indigo glade
Brimstone punch.
sleek halo
LOL
spring helm
wow
dusk laurel
Amazing
sleek halo
makes sense
split mortar
calamitas could beat anybody weaker than like ML in a fistfight
Omg calamitas has post ml ohysical power
spring helm
there goes my headcanon
indigo glade
Can magic be used to enhance one's physical prowess?
hollow isle
easy
manic coral
calamitas runs out of mana and gets mocked for not being able to do anything anymore but then she just starts throwing hands
sleek halo
calamitas runs out of mana and gets mocked for not being able to do anything any...
LOL
i kinda imagine she doesn’t really run out of mana
she just
gets tired
wheat walrus
there is at least like a 100 times difference in strength in between all of thos...
City Level is in the range of stronger nukes already, Country Level is on the range of the strongest natural disasters and the extinction asteroid impact from 66mya at higher ends
So yep
manic coral
yeha basically
hollow isle
she has the ethereal talisman guys!!!!!11!!11
sleek halo
she can could theoretically go on for probably weeks imo
if she didn’t have bodily functions to worry about
like eating food
or drinking water
or sleeping
hollow isle
all jokes aside do the other human characters use equipment to enhance themselves too
manic coral
sleek halo
or mental shit
indigo glade
If the Incineration took multiple days, did she need to take a break to piss.
sleek halo
If the Incineration took multiple days, did she need to take a break to piss.
probably
hollow isle
how has she not completely fucking lost it
split mortar
all jokes aside do the other human characters use equipment to enhance themselve...
Yharim does
Braelor is blessed
Statis is uh, powered by being a twink or something idfk
manic coral
Yharim does
Braelor is blessed
Statis is uh, powered by being a twink or somethi...
TWINK POWERS... ACTIVATE!
indigo glade
There were no toilets since she was evaporating everything...
Actually...
manic coral
calclone had her pwoers for like a month and began to already lose it
indigo glade
Did the Ilmerans have toilets?
manic coral
and devolved into a murder monster
hollow isle
clone is like giganerfed from actual cal tho isnt she
manic coral
over the course of like
sleek halo
yeah
manic coral
a year
manic coral
clone is like giganerfed from actual cal tho isnt she
not nessesarily
untold oracle
Did the Ilmerans have toilets?
No I think they just had buttons that flushed the water around them…
sleek halo
Ngl I think
hollow isle
ah ok so her base powers were similar but without any of the refinement she gained from experience
manic coral
calclone uses the same brimstone magic yes
sleek halo
if 99% of ppl were responsible fornkilling literally everyone they knew
they’d be mentally broken forever
manic coral
it's just not at all refined
indigo glade
No I think they just had buttons that flushed the water around them…
What?
eager bluff
aoe flush
manic coral
i like how you're jsut ignoring the more obvious solution here since ilmerians can live just fine on land
indigo glade
I meant
hollow isle
LMAO
indigo glade
in the kingdom.
eager bluff
it's just not at all refined
kinda hard to refine it when you go literally insane when using it
manic coral
yes. which wasn't ENTIRELY submerged
eager bluff
i like how you're jsut ignoring the more obvious solution here since ilmerians c...
what do they just shit on the ground
manic coral
it has air pockets and aprts without water and stuff
sleek halo
kinda hard to refine it when you go literally insane when using it
also not having
probably the best teacher
manic coral
what do they just shit on the ground
no they have normal toilets dumbass
hollow isle
theory time
sleek halo
I cannot imagine a better teacher than Permafrost
indigo glade
what do they just shit on the ground
I-
hollow isle
what if permafrost trained clone
indigo glade
What.
sleek halo
Scal is probably worse than Permafrost at teaching brimstone magic ngl
manic coral
anywyas let's move on from this topic please
spring helm
no they have normal toilets dumbass
lmao
sleek halo
Scal is probably worse than Permafrost at teaching brimstone magic ngl
He’d likely know better about the basic principles
also when to push and stop
signs of shit going wrong n whatnot
also just comforting
LOL
manic coral
yeha no permafrost is a fantastic teacher
spring helm
still holding on to the deliquent Calamitas headcanon
she ruled the streets of Azafure, that's why she was the first to start boxing with Brimmy the moment she started destroying things
sleek halo
imagine how great of a life Scal could’ve had without the influence of Yharim
manic coral
still holding on to the deliquent Calamitas headcanon
she ruled the streets of A...
nah she was too much of a nerd for that
spring helm
guh
eager bluff
imagine how great of a life Scal could’ve had without the influence of Yharim
well that depends
manic coral
and still is too much of a nerd for that
spring helm
Cei you're killing me
manic coral
she mostly read books
sleek halo
nah she was too much of a nerd for that
annihilates your headcanon
eager bluff
without exclusively yharim or without having ever looked for him
manic coral
wasn't masively social
hollow isle
i mean she would still be hyper strong inherently wouldnt she
manic coral
annihilates your headcanon
SSO would have done that anyways
manic coral
i mean she would still be hyper strong inherently wouldnt she
nope
eager bluff
without exclusively yharim or without having ever looked for him
because if its the latter she would be in such a bad position
indigo glade
Speaking of young Calamitas.
sleek halo
without exclusively yharim or without having ever looked for him
Without Yharim after being taken in
P sure she was found
hollow isle
are her powers not innate?
untold oracle
nah she was too much of a nerd for that
Nerdlamitas is canon?
sleek halo
wouldn’t be hard to find
one of the only living ppl
at probably the epicenter
of the conflict
eager bluff
P sure she was found
no she sought out yharim
sleek halo
did she?
eager bluff
yeah
manic coral
i need to finish that godseeker knight log for the crags
split mortar
Someone post nerdlamitas emote
sleek halo
I swear she was found
spring helm
Nerdlamitas is canon?
cei you must confirm this
indigo glade
This is still my best piece of Calamity fanfiction.
split mortar
sleek halo
I swear she was found
It’d make so much more aense
manic coral
well Embers is my best piece of Calamity Fan'tfiction
sleek halo
than a 10 yr old being like
manic coral
untold oracle
Banned
sleek halo
“Yes I will go find the man in charge of everything!!”
sleek halo
Instead of just
manic coral
well Embers is my best piece of Calamity Fan'tfiction
tbh i'll probably work on Atoms after i finish up most cal and permafrost dialogue
sleek halo
especially cause they’d investigate one of the most
tropic oak
yharim was right. kill all gods
manic coral
yharim was right. kill all gods
ok man sure
sleek halo
wiped off the face of the fucking earth
split mortar
Not like i sent the emote of the terrarian image
split mortar
yharim was right. kill all gods
How
sleek halo
wiped off the face of the fucking earth
like literally ctrl alt deleted
split mortar
I SAW THAT
tropic oak
How
i am extremely influced by yharim propaganda
everything he says i think is true
deft vessel
Yhapaganda
manic coral
i am extremely influced by yharim propaganda
dumbass. it's called yharpaganda :/
wheat walrus
dumbass. it's called yharpaganda :/
Yhap
manic coral
Yhapaganda
shit this is better
sleek halo
dumbass. it's called yharpaganda :/
Yhapagada is better..
wheat walrus
When Yharim is yapping, that's Yhapping
manic coral
nevermind
eager bluff
“Yes I will go find the man in charge of everything!!”
i mean like
you just destroyed a city on accident
who do you go to if you want to get help
probably the person in charge
deft vessel
dumbass. it's called yharpaganda :/
Nu uh. My autocorrect chosenis as Yhapaganda
wheat walrus
When Yharim is yapping, that's Yhapping
And if he's Yhapping his propaganda, that's Yhapaganda
sleek halo
i mean like
you just destroyed a city on accident
who do you go to if you want t...
I mean
dusk laurel
Wasn't it confirmed that Yharim sought out Cal
sleek halo
what child
hollow isle
when he makes sweet potatoes theyre called Yhams
sleek halo
would do so
Like no child is going to do that
especially not after a horrific conflict like that
tropic oak
when he makes sweet potatoes theyre called Yhams
TRUTH
manic coral
i mean when crags overhaul does happen
sleek halo
especially not after a horrific conflict like that
her family and literally everyone she knew is dead LOL
dusk laurel
👁️
manic coral
shit maybe i should call them Crag Yhams
hollow isle
Yhams would go hard
sleek halo
you should
I could totally imagine Azafure changing it to that
as a way to show respect LOL
hollow isle
i think that would be great tbh
sleek halo
“As long as u continue doing what ur doing, idfc if u call them Yhams”
spring helm
the population keeps naming things after Yharim and he's just super confused because all he wants is the gods dead what the fuck are his people doing
eager bluff
Wasn't it confirmed that Yharim sought out Cal
Prostrated in my court, garbed in charred rags as she trembled.
I could not grasp the unfathomable, raw power of the fell magics that coursed through her.
She could scant control it herself. Permafrost recognized this immediately. With a pained face, he counseled me to look after her.
i have a feeling perma wouldnt directly tell yharim "hey look after this kid" if yharim sought out the kid
sleek halo
>Prostrated in my court, garbed in charred rags as she trembled.
I could not gra...
Maybe brought by
manic coral
“As long as u continue doing what ur doing, idfc if u call them Yhams”
nahhh no government would offically do something like that
sleek halo
Godseeker knights
sleek halo
Sent out to check what the fuck happened
no way they don’t damn near immediately notice
indigo glade
that'd be like trying to call Greenland instead Red, White, and Blueland!
Or the Gulf of Mexico the "Gulf of America".
manic coral
so true!
sleek halo
Azafure being just gone
sleek halo
so true
manic coral
yeah who would EVER try to do both of those things
manic coral
nobody would ever be stupid enough!
indigo glade
who would even do that
A stupid person, trying to ruin as many people's lives.
hollow isle
i'm sure it would never happen
manic coral
RIGHT?????????????????????????
indigo glade
Thankfully, everything we are talking about is fictional!
sleek halo
So true
manic coral
indeed
sleek halo
Man I wish I was living in Azafure instead rn
At least that would be a quick shitshow
eager bluff
why is trump even trying to buy greenland what does it get us
sleek halo
why is trump even trying to buy greenland what does it get us
Eyes off Ukraine
deft vessel
Oil
indigo glade
why is trump even trying to buy greenland what does it get us
Oil deposits and control over the overseas military base there.
sleek halo
if i had to live anywhere in the cal world assumign ti stayed safe
Anywhere?
manic coral
why is trump even trying to buy greenland what does it get us
to inflate his ego
manic coral
*Anywhere?*
assuming anywhere
manic coral
i dunno where i'd live
split mortar
Its an entire fucking country
split mortar
i dunno where i'd live
Uh
Illmeris before the gilded dipshit decided to attack
eager bluff
Its an entire fucking country
actually no greenland isnt its own country
sleek halo
Put me in Chyrdasia
hollow isle
is it not...?
spring helm
Uh
Illmeris before the gilded dipshit decided to attack
okay but then you know he's gonna attack
dusk laurel
Nope
eager bluff
nope
hollow isle
huh
sleek halo
b4 it got ficking trolled
dusk laurel
It's a part of Denmark
hollow isle
never knew that
manic coral
i could go for that one city i cant name rn that permafrost initially studied magic at
eager bluff
greenland is owned by denmark but it has the legal right to declare independence at any time
indigo glade
Territory of Denmark. Despite that, they treat it like its own country for the most part.
split mortar
i could go for that one city i cant name rn that permafrost initially studied ma...
Ndudbd
What
:calg:
sleek halo
i could go for that one city i cant name rn that permafrost initially studied ma...
I’m p sure if u named it
hollow isle
are these additional cities gonna be mentioned in game ever
sleek halo
probably
small jay
okay but then you know he's gonna attack
Just place yourself >100 years before that happens so there's no shot you're still alive by that point 4head
hollow isle
epic
manic coral
are these additional cities gonna be mentioned in game ever
...at least half of them
manic coral
the one i mentioned will be
spring helm
viridian city
dusk laurel
Ndudbd
What
:calg:
You will be boiled
manic coral
watch it be the crystal city
no, different continent
hollow isle
viridian city true!!
sleek halo
no, different continent
woo
indigo glade
i'm not naming it because i might change it at some point
How about further description?
hollow isle
is draedon from a city called opelucid by any chance
dusk laurel
No
sleek halo
Draedon is from
split mortar
is draedon from a city called opelucid by any chance
No
dusk laurel
Draedon is a cave dweller
split mortar
He is from random lab in underground ice
sleek halo
real
manic coral
no, different continent
The crystal city is in Ibipaua, which is to the south
sleek halo
Draedon is a cave dweller
except he’s not a wacky minecraft modded mob
hollow isle
that was a reference to pokemon black and white
manic coral
place permafrsot studied magic at is to the west
dusk laurel
except he’s not a wacky minecraft modded mob
Yep
manic coral
some continent draedon came from
manic coral
except more to the northwest, draedon was more to the south
hollow isle
oh hell no hes from the south 💀
manic coral
but like
that continent's south is like
about relative in longitude to where the game takes place
so sorry you're already in the south
manic coral
where the game takes place is in the southern half of the globe
sleek halo
dusk laurel
perth australia
sleek halo
where the game takes place is in the southern half of the globe
Cei
is the planet in an ice age
manic coral
no
hollow isle
you can tell bc everything isnt frozen
manic coral
there aren't conventional poles
hollow isle
sleek halo
you can tell bc everything isnt frozen
we’re in an ice age…
just in a uhh
forgot the name
manic coral
there are some definitly COLD and SNOWY places
sleek halo
but basically a lot of the ice has
manic coral
which, funny fact
sleek halo
rescinded to the poles
manic coral
permafrost didnt come or study in ANY of them until he was like 50
manic coral
he was not raised in any super cold aplce nor did he study in them
manic coral
like crazybold
500ish, yes
sleek halo
Mr old over here
indigo glade
Who has the most sin points?
sleek halo
probably the oldest mortal ngl
manic coral
using his cold magic to partially freeze himself
sleek halo
not counting draedon
manic coral
to slow his aging
split mortar
he was not raised in any super cold aplce nor did he study in them
How good does permafrosts spell slow age
sleek halo
Uhh
split mortar
Is it liek
Age 100 times slower?
manic coral
i'd say he still has a good 90 or so years left in him
split mortar
pretty dman well, 5 if not 6 times slower
Considering his age
Wouldnt he have aged a century by now?
strange stump
good evening lore chat
i havent been here in a while
split mortar
good evening lore chat
i havent been here in a while
We discussing permafrost slow aging
sleek halo
i'd say he still has a good 90 or so years left in him
well depending on how long scal lives
split mortar
Just teach her the slow age spell
sleek halo
I don’t thnk
manic coral
he is likely to outlive her
sleek halo
she probably would go crazy if she lived
that fucking long
with all her baggage
and permafrost dead
manic coral
cal becomes a crazy old cat lady
sleek halo
so true
dusk laurel
lmao
sleek halo
except instead of a shotgun
manic coral
that one enighbor with 11 cats to keep her company
sleek halo
she has the power to turn u into nothing!!!!
deft vessel
CalCat imag.png
sleek halo
i don't think she'd be able to DO that given
Well yeah shezms only like
above averae
in other magic
LOL
which isn’t bad.. just
probably not on the level required
to do so
deft vessel
Midmaxing
sleek halo
Honestly Permafrost is probably one of the few ppl to uh
use that spell that effectively
hell he might’ve invented it
i don’t imagine it’s particularly easy to pull off LOL
split mortar
so sorry you're already in the south
Daichin has made a map for reasons and heartlands was north lmao
split mortar
Idk if thatd work with nevada but true
spring helm
how perfect...
wheat walrus
Cell phone
split mortar
how perfect...
Well you are either perfect or not him so
manic coral
best dragon ball villian
split mortar
Prob perfect
wheat walrus
I still have no clue what the Heartlands are other than a continent you dont visit ingame
minor moon
best dragon ball villian
Frieza
spring helm
frieza is worsened by his repeat appearances i feel
sleek halo
I still have no clue what the Heartlands are other than a continent you dont vis...
Heartlands afaik is a name Cei came up with for the continent u play on
and isn’t set in stone
at all
wheat walrus
Heartlands afaik is a name Cei came up with for the continent u play on
Oh lmao
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easier to say than
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Heartlands afaik is a name Cei came up with for the continent u play on
they're the title i refer to it as since
it's jsut a title
wheat walrus
Ok ok
split mortar
I still have no clue what the Heartlands are other than a continent you dont vis...
Heartlands is the continent we play on
sleek halo
“The continent ur on”
manic coral
not a name
wheat walrus
Heartlands is a cool name tbf
spring helm
it's The Heartlands
sleek halo
they're the title i refer to it as since
It is infact where
manic coral
frieza is super cool dont get me wrong
anyways
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a lot of shit happens
wheat walrus
Is it heart-shaped
spring helm
which is not how people refer to continents
split mortar
Isnt antarica and arctic ljust
Bears and no bears
spring helm
yes
wheat walrus
Is it heart-shaped
Anatomical or symbolic heart btw
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elf calamitas
wheat walrus
Isnt antarica and arctic ljust
Bears and no bears
Antarctic is an actual continent, Arctic is a lot of ice iirc; could be wrong tho
manic coral
Frieza is cool but Cell is literlaly the culmination fo consequences from the ENTIRE series up until him
wheat walrus
Frieza is cool but Cell is literlaly the culmination fo consequences from the *E...
Cell is cool asf yea
Peak arc and guy is just cool
manic coral
Cell is literally and physically part of everybody, both having their DNA and inheriting all of their most sinister and toxic traits
Cell is a mirror for all of the main characters
and while Frieza is cool
that's cooler imo
shell jewel
maybe a strange thing to ask, first it seems calamity didnt change the bestiary for all the vanilla bosses, if this is fully correct does those information conflicting the calamity official lore ?(didnt find a full answer in chat history on my side )
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maybe a strange thing to ask, first it seems calamity didnt change the bestiary ...
vanilla bestiary is beign rewritten
or well
has been, but its not implimented yet
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fuck semi perfect cell though
manic coral
will be in sunken sea overhaul
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L tier character design
split mortar
maybe a strange thing to ask, first it seems calamity didnt change the bestiary ...
Yeah calamity hasnt changed the vanilla beatiary yet
Next major update it will
shell jewel
will be in sunken sea overhaul
oh nice
manic coral
L tier character design
nah i think it's neat
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Though it is honestly kinda cathartic
To watch him give vegeta hell
I’d say though semi perfect is my least favorite of the 3 by far
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imperfect cell is for sure my 2nd favorite form since the whole concept is cool
imperfect cell is baiscally a slasher villian
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yah
And perfect cell is jsut wonderful
just don’t watch him in the dub if u want him to be intimidating lol
he sounds too much like plankton for me
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-# mandatory abridged mention, idk if it is mandatory but it has been mentioned
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abridged cell is great
spring helm
i like how Cell's voice in the dub changes as he transforms
it stays the same the whole way through in the original japanese
manic coral
just don’t watch him in the dub if u want him to be intimidating lol
correction
just don’t
watch him inthe dub if u want *most things to be able to be taken seriously
unless we're tlaking the english kai dub
thats fine
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I meant the uh
Just basically his voice
it’s too much like plankton
not his fault just
manic coral
ok but let's be real most OG dub voices are kinda just goofy
spring helm
i like Westwood Studio's interpretation of Vegito
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also im obligated to post a video real quick
deft vessel
Role abuse smh...
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like perfect cell is about to steal the krusty krab formula
If Mr Krabs doesn’t comply he’ll blow up the Sun
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vd5YgpEqUYY
I love how that final flash btw
spring helm
instead of having both goku and vegeta's voice at the same time they had vegeta's va do a an impression of goku
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is the only fucking time
it did anything
ever
in canon media
coolest one too!
but other than that, it has done a grand total
of fuck all
LOL
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I love how that final flash btw
i love how toriyama straight up confirmed
"yeha Final Flash is the strongest single beam in the saga"
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yeah
minor moon
Lore discussion to dragon ball, peak channel ngl
spring helm
i find that so stupid tbh
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"yeha Final Flash is the strongest single beam in the saga"
I’d say the only thing close was
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Lore discussion to dragon ball, peak channel ngl
Wouldnt have it any other way
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Gohan’s
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Lore discussion to dragon ball, peak channel ngl
this happens every week you're clearly new here
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true
spring helm
like Goku gaps Vegeta so hard after training in the HTC and the final flash is still stronger?
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Final flash took literal minutes
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dont worry this is a semi-regular occurence becuase i am autistic and i like dragon ball
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I mean it’s also basically Vegeta literally putting
every last drop of energy
into it
manic coral
like Goku gaps Vegeta so hard after training in the HTC and the final flash is s...
i mean final flash got a bunch of windup and Final Flash is literally ALL of his power. like, he even gets knocked out of super saiyan soon after it.
spring helm
i mean final flash got a bunch of windup and Final Flash is literally ALL of his...
yeah 'cause Cell KO'd him lmao
deft vessel
so sad, Cei is gonna get banned for off topic
manic coral
and also Goku after HTC isn't that much stronger than Vegeta
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and also Goku after HTC isn't that much *stronger* than Vegeta
i mean..
I would say he is
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the difference is how well Goku can control his power mastering the super saiyan form
spring helm
okay well what about Gohan's Kamehameha
sleek halo
Gohan put like 2 seconds
LOL
he literally waited last second
he just power diffed cell that badly
manic coral
yeah vegeta's distraction is the only reason Gohan managed to overpower Cell
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but tbf, it doesn’t really matter because well
It’s not like Vegata can ever pull off a strong final flash
without an opponent just
standing there
LOL
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which i like how the manga handles that way better, vegeta helping instead of everybody at once just solely because
it's way more poetic that way
since Perfect Cell is Vegeta's fault
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Yeah
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and don't give me "oh it was equally Krillin's fault" no it was not Krillin had an actual ethical dillema on hand about killing a so far innocent person.
vegeta did what he did for shits and giggles.
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and don't give me "oh it was equally Krillin's fault" no it was not Krillin had ...
40 - 60 imo
Krillin could’ve at least held onto it…
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more like 30 - 70 imo
sleek halo
Like incase the absolute worst happens
manic coral
ok no
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better than literally everyone dying
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tu
manic coral
He totally could ahve chosen to jsut blow up 18
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25% krillin's fualt, 70% vegeta's fault, and 5% trunks' fault
halcyon raft
lowkey if krillin hadn't bagged 18
he would've been the most hated character of all time
bro would've fumbled a baddie and the lives of all of humanity
manic coral
i love krillin he's a great character
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he's a normal human on ground zero of stuff more often than GOKU is
halcyon raft
i love krillin he's a great character
i like him too but god he too down bad
manic coral
he's just a normal human really trying his best
sleek halo
it was so underdeveloped
halcyon raft
he's just a normal human really trying his best
and he does pretty well
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yeah I mean
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25% krillin's fualt, 70% vegeta's fault, and 5% trunks' fault
also yeah vegeta is a D1 dumbass
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Krillin is great
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it was so underdeveloped
i will say i genrally disagree with most people who say "TFS' abridged version is entirely written better". except for a few major cases.
one of those cases being 16, 17, and 18
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also yeah vegeta is a D1 dumbass
and he's my favorite character
manic coral
they absolutely wrote that trio better
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i will say i genrally disagree with most people who say "TFS' abridged version i...
"fuck super saiyans....fuck power levels....and FUCK YOU"
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"fuck super saiyans....fuck power levels....and FUCK YOU"
i like abridged cuz they did my boy tien good
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tbh i honestly think that
if they weren't
we wouldn't have gotten as good of a story
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yeah
manic coral
i fudnemtnally think most of the decisiosn that WERE made were the correct ones
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the issue is that he wasn’t prepared for a lot of it lol
manic coral
i think namek is the consistently better saga but the the whole adnrorid saga has the better peaks imo
though i will say
quite honestly?
a take that'd be me burned at the stake by most dragon ball fans
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i will say i genrally disagree with most people who say "TFS' abridged version i...
I think that ppl mostly base the quality of dbza off the final season
and the final season was fucking
good
really good
but mannnnn
until late namek it was pretty damn rough LOL
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a take that'd be me burned at the stake by most dragon ball fans
everything from Goku killing Recoome to fight before Vegeta fights 1st for Frieza
meh
probably the part of Z i care the least for
it's entirely whatever imo
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i dunno it jsut feels kinda boring to me
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i wish Jeice and Burta got used more
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real
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Jeice is my favorite Ginyu Force member though too so
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worst part imo about namek
well not the worst worst part
but
powerlevels
holy fuck
powerlevels
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ok
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thank god they were dropped
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I dislike it because well
it effectively means anyone with a higher power level
wins
goku vs vegeta was peak because he had a way to close that gap
manic coral
and when it was a more skilled fighter vs. a less skilled but stronger fighter
it became elss iotneresting because oh. ok. ginyu is as equally skilled of a fighter as goku.
or well
not quite but
still damn skilled
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and when it was a more skilled fighter vs. a less skilled but stronger fighter
goku vs frieza
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because 3 million compared to 60,000,000 is literally nothing
manic coral
it wasnt 3 million actually
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what was it?
manic coral
was it was but wasn't
ok so a reveal that wasnt handled well in the anime due to hwo the anime did kaioken
Goku was using Kaioken x10 the whole time to keep himself in the fight
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yeah
manic coral
which is onyl revealed right before the spirit bomb
though even though goku goes from 90,000 to 3,000,000 ven thoguh that a fucking stupid ass jump
at least there's an epxlaination
.
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strongest zenkai boost in fucking history
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Vegeta takes a nap some goes from slightly stronher than Ginyu to auaring up vs. 1st fomr frieza
there is 0 explaination for that one
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strongest zenkai boost in fucking history
33 times LOL
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yeah
manic coral
the climb up until him speicfically is acceptable
spring helm
power level gaps are so inconsistent
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and then back to straight dogshit
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right before him the stronegst is like 50k with fairly gradual growth
so reasonably i could see him being like 60k or 65k
.
not fucking 120k
ginyu is where this REALLY started being an issue
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yeah
manic coral
and then fireza is 530k in 1st for becuase yes
and then 1 million and 2 million and then oh hey logically by this logic it'll be 4 million for final form right?
no
split mortar
120
sleek halo
60,000,000 seems like a logical jump
manic coral
thats where the kinda notable ssue turns into an actual problem
spring helm
goku was like 50% stronger than nappa but had more difficulty finishing him off that Vegeta did with Cui even though the gap between Vegeta and Cui is relatively smaller
whack
sleek halo
goku was like 50% stronger than nappa but had more difficulty finishing him off ...
Goku wasn’t going for the kill
is the main thing
spring helm
no but he was trying to put him down
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Vegeta just fucking exploded Cui LOL
spring helm
he also had to go use kaioken to catch up to Nappa which is kind of nuts
manic coral
tbf nappa was closer
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oh for sure
sleek halo
But u could definitely make it work
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and THEN have final form be the "1 million" reveal
and then awesome you end namek with LITERALLY 120 TIMES LESS PWOERCREEP
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I think the simplest explanation for why Toriyama went that high is simply because
big number make brain go
woohoo
manic coral
also super saiyan being x50 according to that one daizenchu guidebook just feels like bullshit
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also super saiyan being x50 according to that one daizenchu guidebook just feels...
the correct answer is
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it is NEVER, EVER treated as a QUARTER of being that strong of a boost
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it makes the characters as strong as he needs them
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yeah
spring helm
toriyama had even stated before that it's more like a 10 times
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like realistically if goku is like
manic coral
yeah
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struggling against someone
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10 times is WAY more reasonable
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super saiyan should be an effective instant win
unless they’re literally blitzing and demolishing him
spring helm
the 50x is never stated in-universe, and is something that was calculated because of the powerlevels
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super saiyan should never even a fight
split mortar
Wait is super saiyan 2 being 100x also bs and its closer to like
20-30 story wise
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it shouldnjust
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also i do like SSJ2 being 2x SSJ! and SSJ3 being 4x SSJ2, making SSJ#
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surprise surprise powerlevels were the problem
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be onsided
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SSJ2 honestly felt
so much much much
stronger
like Gohan went from
literally cannot contend with cell
to
2 shotting him
manic coral
Oh no Gohan absolutely could
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well more like
manic coral
Gohan durign the cell games was stronger than Goku was
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it was not in gohans favor
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somethign explicitly stated twice
spring helm
he's not bad
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but also it wasn't just SSJ2
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Rage boosted ssj2
split mortar
So it could make sense as a 100x?
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lol
spring helm
the whole problem was that gohan didnt even want to throw a punch
manic coral
the whole problem was that gohan didnt even want to throw a punch
yeah no even cell after fighting SSJ! gohan for a bit is like
sleek halo
It makes sense Gohan could contend with a Zenkai boosted Perfect Cell LOL
manic coral
"damn he could actually give me trouble"
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"damn he could actually give me trouble"
I mean thats the whole reaosn of
the senzu bean
indigo glade
Drag on these balls, am I right?
spring helm
also the classic gohan rage boost
honestly i could see this being a reasonable explanation for why goku suddenly got 50x stronger when he went super saiyan for the first time and then it drops to only like 10x
manic coral
otherwise Cell probably would ahve jsut
paniced and blown up the planet or smth
if he started losing
manic coral
which agaisnt an SSJ1 gohan who actually wnated to fight
he MIGHT HAVE
i could see SSJ1 Gohan winning that fight against a fairly exhuasted Perfect Cell
spring helm
yeah i can see that too
even though Goku was weaker than Cell he was still putting up a decent fight
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i could see SSJ1 Gohan winning that fight against a fairly exhuasted Perfect Cel...
Yeah
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even though Goku was weaker than Cell he was still putting up a decent fight
He only lost due to cells regeneration
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speakign of the cell games i will say
something Z does that Super, as much as i do like it still, does fail at
sleek halo
It’s pretty fair to say Goku might’ve unironically been stronger
than Perfect Cell
or at least tied
manic coral
somebody aiming a beam at the ground is always treated to utmost panic
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Or only very slightly weaker
spring helm
broly lmao
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nah CEll was def the stronger opponent
spring helm
excellent ki control for someone who has succumbed to rage
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nah CEll was def the stronger opponent
not by much thoogh tbf
Like they were pretty damn equal
manic coral
we see him actually power up to full against SS2 Gohan later
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and Goku definitely was more skilled
manic coral
He purposefully pwoered himself dwon a bit to make it fairly even with Goku
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i wouldn't say by a LOT
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it’s been a long tkme
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i'd say Cell fighting Goku was still at like
70%
75%
aroudn that ballpark
Goku was clearly pushing cell somewhat regardless
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broly lmao
that version of broly unironically
would brutalize Cell
in like 3 seconds
LOL
brother would be cooked
unfathomably cooked
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i was referring to when Cei was talking about aiming beams at the ground
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yeah as said Super treats that way less seriously which i find sad
i did appricate how seriously that was treated in Z
it was a nice consideration that
oh shit
these are actually planet destroying beams
split mortar
Acknowledged people could blow up the planet
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these are actually planet destroying beams
yeah
manic coral
even Vegeta jsut doing final flash near the ground, Trunks and Krillin are afraid that it's gonna blow up earth
split mortar
How strong the brocoli compard to majin buu
spring helm
a lot
sleek halo
I remember when even Cell was like