lore-discussion

[pliant ruin]

would it be valid to kill a single dragon if it meant saving a entire civilization

per example

[sleek halo]

It’s why Xeroc is interesting

he lkkely has a good reason

(But he also kinda fucked up in the process)

[spring helm]

which means if we killed every dragon we would save every civilization!!!

[sleek halo]

(The amount of death indirectly caused by him is….. monumental)

[brave birch]

Maybe Xeroc thought the dragons were using their power too lightly.

[sleek halo]

5 minutes…. brother couldn’t spare

5 minutes

(Imo he just didn’t wwnt to cause that wouldn’t be allowing change)

(which he seems pretty pro change)

[limpid saddle]

Oh man, Statis is gonna be pissed when he finds out we killed his idol of worship

[sleek halo]

mayb…

Statis kinda seems like rn he would not give 2 fucks

he has just a bit on his plate

[limpid saddle]

Oh come on at the least he'd be devastated

[sleek halo]

I think brother is devastated

lover locked in the distortion & failing to kill Yharim

doesn’t get much lower

LOL

[tepid timber]

I mean….

[limpid saddle]

I'm pretty sure having your God personally persued & executed by a homeless crackhead is gonna put him a bit lower

[sleek halo]

maybe

but probably not enough to like

fight us

especially sunce he wasn’t actively protecting Slime God

it kinda seems like his care for him has lessened

[brave birch]

@sleek halo What makes you say that?

[limpid saddle]

Well when basically everyone that follows your religion has been rounded up & killed one would imagine that'd happen

[spare pier]

The sad part is that I don't think I can make an interaction with Statis end in him killing you

[limpid saddle]

I definetly imagine he would still hold a high amount of respect & faith towards, y'know, his God

[spare pier]

Considering respawning isn't canon

[limpid saddle]

Miniboss?

Beat him into submission?

[sleek halo]

I mean also depending on when he shows up

he just might no longer be strong enough

lol

bot moment!!

[dusk laurel]

epic bot fail

[spare pier]

If he only shows up by mid Post ML that'd just be kinda bleh

[sleek halo]

idk I just personally think

[limpid saddle]

Why would he show up then?

[sleek halo]

he wouldn’t want us dead

Maybe dislike/distrust at first

but like

[spare pier]

I wouldn't make Statis show up actively wanting to kill you, but I think there should be a way you can take the dialogue that just

Ends with him trying to kill you

[limpid saddle]

If anything it'd make sense for him to start wandering around post-WOF at the earliest

[spare pier]

Probably because you just insulted him enough

[sleek halo]

Slime God dying is probably one of the least horrible things to happen to him in the last decade

LOL

[spare pier]

Allowing the player to be an ass is always good

[sleek halo]

it’s just the cherry on top

of the shitstorm st

[limpid saddle]

If anything I think telling him about the Slime God would make him have a full psychotic episode

[sleek halo]

Maybe

[spare pier]

The problem isn't even like, allowing the player to kill him or anything, it's more that

If you die to him

[limpid saddle]

1000 yard stare as he vanishes from your world for like an in-game week to process it & maybe try to kill himself

[spare pier]

How the fuck do we handle it?

[sleek halo]

might make him think the deaths ofnthe onyx kinsmen

were worthless

[spare pier]

I don't think just resetting stuff works

[sleek halo]

I think it coukd

[spare pier]

But treating the encounter as if the player can always survive is also just

Eh?

[sleek halo]

Idk

U could probably get away with Statis being

weakened or some shit LOL

[spare pier]

Even if he was weakened he'd still be able to kill you through like, most of HM

[sleek halo]

I imagine pml is where he’d show up just because well

[languid badge]

just don't even have a fight just have it cut to the paper mario game over screen

[limpid saddle]

I mean yeah it would feel all very pointless if all of the followers of your religious order were brutally murdered to protect your God & then that God gets murdered anyway despite all those efforts, leaving you as the last member of a religion that literally does not exist anymore

[spare pier]

And he wouldn't just let the guy who is clearly aspiring to go and fight Yharim, who has showed directly to him that they are an asshole, just go scott free

[sleek halo]

that’s when eyes get placed on u

[tepid timber]

I’d definitely rather fight a full strength statis

[sleek halo]

like killing ML

is the best way for people to be like

“yo wtf”

[limpid saddle]

There's no way we're gonna get a Statis fight

[spare pier]

And obviously we aren't about to turn Statis into a bloody boss fight

[limpid saddle]

I mean

maybe in like

20 years

[languid badge]

statis with dungeon guardian ai

[spare pier]

If I had to handle it, I'd probably make so Statis just had a three attack combo and if you survived it, he just said "meh, fighting now is not worth it" and then he dipped

[limpid saddle]

When Fabsol is decayed & on their death-bed, will drop one last update that adds the Statis fight & makes LORDE required for progression

[sleek halo]

LOL

that’d be a crazy fakeout

[spare pier]

And then like

Maybe

Maybe

[sleek halo]

personally I’d rather have a sparring match with Braelor…

[spare pier]

If you hit him with a strong enough attack you could stagger him and land a deathblow like Sekiro

But I don't think I'd do that

[sleek halo]

because he’s awesome

we love Braelor

[languid badge]

that sounds like you'd only ever trigger it with a steath strike or offtier weapon

[limpid saddle]

Eh I like the Gay Ninja over the Gay Vegetarian

[tepid timber]

What does statis look like

[sleek halo]

(and also he’s less likely to cut my throat..)

.

[limpid saddle]

Probably wearing something adjacent to the Slime Shinobi set

[spare pier]

I mean

Fitting

[sleek halo]

@tepid timber

[spare pier]

But I don't think Statis should be killable anyways

[tepid timber]

That looks so fucking cool

[sleek halo]

not the front

image btw

[spare pier]

Terraria players are not ready to deal with the consequences of their actions

[sleek halo]

click on the link

[tepid timber]

Oh

[sinful adder]

He should summon a king slime directly on top of you and then teleport away with a smoke bomb

[sleek halo]

true

[sinful adder]

Like if you stagger him you can do damage but he always escapes

[sleek halo]

Would be uhh.. bad if u did

[tepid timber]

I mean I guess statis look alright

[sleek halo]

[tepid timber]

That monster looks cool tho

[spare pier]

So like, yeah I think I'd just go the route of

[sleek halo]

Tyrian does have a fantastic design

[spare pier]

You can make Statis angry enough that he attempts to kill you, and then maybe following that you'd have to deal with some assassination attempts until you made something that made you consider you aren't that much of an asshole

But, again

Terraria players aren't ready to deal with the consequences of their actions

[sleek halo]

yeah uh

big demographic of young children

[languid badge]

I mean
redemption alignment sorta manages
but also like half the mod is built upon that mechanic

[spare pier]

Even if you literally need to go out of your way to find and insult him multiple times

I still think people would be mad

[tepid timber]

Fuck em

I’d love an assassination attempt

[split mortar]

I think at that point thats just people being unreasonable

[sleek halo]

ok but imagine u have

literally 0 clue about

the lore or anything

because it is kinda something u need to go out of the way for

and u meet a dude

[spare pier]

You still need to insult the guy like, 4 to 5 times

[sleek halo]

yeah but that’s funny

[spare pier]

And I wouldn't be opposed to just have him in that conversation go

[tepid timber]

Yeah that’s entirely on you

[spare pier]

"You know who I am, right?"

[sleek halo]

“No”

“Fuck”

[spare pier]

Like, he literally just explains who he is and who you are insulting before drawing the conclusion that you are truly an asshole

If even after that you continue insulting him

Ok

You're just kinda stupid

[sleek halo]

What would u even say 😭

[tepid timber]

That’s why yo god dead

[sleek halo]

“L bozo”

[limpid saddle]

Man that is

kinda weird to think about

Statis is stronger than the God he follows

[sleek halo]

I mean

[lusty grove]

I think that consequences should be added despite peoples lack of ability to handle them

[sleek halo]

Braelor probably is too LOL

[split mortar]

Well they dont follow cause theyre powerful

[limpid saddle]

I know Gods aren't necessarily that strong or anything

[sleek halo]

Jared certainly is

[tepid timber]

Absolutely

[limpid saddle]

????

hes

[sleek halo]

well he doesn’t necessarily follow

[tepid timber]

Let them learn

[sleek halo]

silva

[limpid saddle]

hes an Onyx Kinsmen

[sleek halo]

but he is blessed by her

so it kinda counts…

[limpid saddle]

his whole religion is the Slime God

[lusty grove]

Yeah but they dont follow SG because of power

[sleek halo]

I do think it’s fair for ppl to surpass the god they worship

[split mortar]

Yeah
But slime god being strong aint why they worship afaik

Its other stuff

[sleek halo]

I mean Yharim surpasses Yharon

[lusty grove]

Its because of how crafty/clever slime god is iirc

[limpid saddle]

Yeah I just said it's weird

[sleek halo]

hell he rivals Zeratros in power

[lusty grove]

I almost called slime god cleber

[limpid saddle]

Not that it doesn't make sense

[sleek halo]

cleber

[lusty grove]

But how is it weird

[spare pier]

But yeah, at the end of the day I do want you to have an option of dialogue where you just insult the fuck out of Statis, he gets angry enough that he tries to kill you, and following that I think like

[limpid saddle]

It seems to be more about the Slime God's dedication to balance in nature

[spare pier]

Depending on some stuff, he'd do regular assassination attempts until you did something to redeem yourself

[dusk laurel]

Kill providance

[limpid saddle]

What if you piss him off post-providence

[lusty grove]

Eat providences artifact (yummy rock)

[tepid timber]

What would be considered redeeming in his eyes?

[spare pier]

Beating a very evil Boss

[sleek halo]

so

providence

[spare pier]

Brimmy, PBG, Providence

Those guys

[sleek halo]

is brimmy a very evil boss..?

[spare pier]

She burned an entire city to the ground

[limpid saddle]

Plaugebringer Goliath is-? well i mean

i guess?

but uh

[sleek halo]

Idk it just seems weird to lump her in with

[limpid saddle]

it just kinda exists

[tepid timber]

Is Draedon considered evil?

[sleek halo]

fucking Providence

[limpid saddle]

Not really

[spare pier]

Considering he'd show up probably at Hardmode, I think the Bosses that could redeem you would be

[sleek halo]

I’d say Draedon from a normal persons perspective

[limpid saddle]

He's just kind of an amoral dick with a stick up his ass at his worst

[brave birch]

@tepid timber Neutral evil. All that matters to him is his research, not world domination.

[sleek halo]

is pretty fucking evil

[tepid timber]

Yes I am normal

[sleek halo]

like

He is supplying

[split mortar]

Well would STATIS know they arent as sapient?

[sleek halo]

a genocidal monster

he has created

[split mortar]

Draedon doesnt have morality

[lusty grove]

Isnt brimmy more like a force of nature than anything? I forgot most of her lore tbh so that has a good chance of being very wrong (or outdated lore)

[sleek halo]

a horrible plague

[spare pier]

Any Mech, Brimmy, PBG, Moon Lord and Providence

[sleek halo]

he has fucked up

an entire sea

[split mortar]

He is neither good nor evil, an amoral being

[tepid timber]

Sure but I meant more from statis’s pov

[sleek halo]

like Draedon from just

literally any normal person PoV

[split mortar]

Ah
Idk then

[tepid timber]

Considering draedon helped yharim

[sleek halo]

fucking sucks

[spare pier]

After Providence he won't attempt to fight you more because he knows if he slipped up he could maybe end up dying

And he doesn't want to risk it

[limpid saddle]

what about all his groundbreaking developments in the scientific field

[tepid timber]

Aw but how do you make it up to him?

[lusty grove]

Also killing PBG feels more like putting a suffering creature out of misery rather than killing a super evil boss (though that probably would count as a good action in Statis eyes)

[sleek halo]

a lot of those

were to the war effort

[split mortar]

That was all done to help yharim

[sleek halo]

and benefited Yharim

[limpid saddle]

Im sure to any scientist he's like a God in his own right

[spare pier]

And also one more Boss but I'm not telling

[limpid saddle]

Exo Prisms:

Y'know it's not like he made uh

infinite energy

[sleek halo]

He used exo prisms

to make fucking war machines

[spare pier]

PBG is literally the main reason the Plague is a threat

Like

[sleek halo]

😭

[dusk laurel]

Clearly it's Signus

[split mortar]

And gave yharim exo tech…

[dusk laurel]

[limpid saddle]

Yeah but he didnt kill anyone with them that was for funsies

[limpid saddle]

The Exo Mechs are just kinda sitting around

[lusty grove]

True but thats mostly because she was experimented heavily upon (and against her will id assume)

[limpid saddle]

They werent made during the Crusades

[sleek halo]

the first thing he does with them

[split mortar]

Still
From someone who is uninformed he would seem abhorrently bad

[spare pier]

Mechs are self explanatory, Brimmy burned a fucking city to the ground, PBG is a mechanical abomination that is razing the Jungle and threatens to go even further, Moon Lord and Providence are self explanatory

[sleek halo]

is pit them against us

[lusty grove]

So its not evil in the same sense that providence is

[limpid saddle]

Well no

[sleek halo]

Draedon while yess

[limpid saddle]

It's the only thing he does with them

[sleek halo]

being not really inherently morally evil

is a shit person

[lusty grove]

Like, its consequences are very evil and bad, but she didnt have some inherent malice before being experimented on, did she?

[limpid saddle]

Because they are machines designed to fight good

[tepid timber]

Yeah I’d punch draedon

[limpid saddle]

& he wanted to see how good they fight

[sleek halo]

it’s not

malicious evil persay

[limpid saddle]

You'd probably just hurt your hand alot

[spare pier]

Yeah but you're still doing a favor to the world for killing it

[limpid saddle]

he isnt even a person he's a robot

[tepid timber]

Would still do it

[limpid saddle]

beep-boop

[tepid timber]

I’d win

[spare pier]

Like, it's not about how evil the thing you killed is

It's about how good your deeds are

[gritty kraken]

sam Undertale

[sleek halo]

pbg is kinda just

putting an animal out of its misery

[spare pier]

PBG CONTROLS THE PLAGUE

[sleek halo]

yeah

[limpid saddle]

Yeah you guys are kind of forgetting that

[sleek halo]

I mean in the sense of

[limpid saddle]

It isn't really in pain at all

[sleek halo]

in terms of good deed

[limpid saddle]

Because it doesnt have a brain anymore

[lusty grove]

Oh i agree to that its more the details of why itd be good in statis eyes

[limpid saddle]

It's all Nanovirus Swarm Hivemind

[sleek halo]

u did both stop the plague and also

[split mortar]

You are still making a huge threat less dangerous

Its not just shooting a animal thats suffering

[tepid timber]

Ngl I get why yharim wanted draedon gone from his army

Bees are cool

[limpid saddle]

again it was lobotomized at that point

[spare pier]

Like, yeah sure PBG might not be super evil in the sense that it just wants to destroy the world, but it's still the thing that is literally turning the Jungle into a biohazardous wasteland

Be it against its will or not

It's still a massive threat

[sleek halo]

I wonder what a plague Dragonfolly would be like…

probably not good

[limpid saddle]

very very bad

[spare pier]

It's the same thing with Brimmy, like

[limpid saddle]

& very very dangerous

[lusty grove]

New addon that plaguefies every animal boss

[spare pier]

You might go "oh but Brimmy is not killing people because she's evil"

SHE IS STILL KILLING PEOPLE

A WHOLE CITY

[sleek halo]

tbf with brimmy, she’s just now chilling around Azafruee

[spare pier]

[limpid saddle]

just makes then green

[sleek halo]

like she seemingly has done fuck all aince

[limpid saddle]

[sleek halo]

Azafure

[spare pier]

Yeah, but what if she decides to go further?

[sleek halo]

to what 😭

the destroyed cities???

[spare pier]

That's another civilization being nuked

[limpid saddle]

you know she can

move

[split mortar]

Maybe off the heartlands

[limpid saddle]

right?

She can boil the oceans themselves if she got pissed off enough

[spare pier]

And yeah Brimmy could just

Go to the surface

[lusty grove]

Yeah my main point was mostly of intentions, because killing them stops more pain from happening, but really only the mechs, providence and moonlord are evil by choice

[split mortar]

The jungle is FUCKED if prime brimmy goes to the jungle

[lusty grove]

Its not really something that matters in the end

Just silly discussion (the good kind imo) about it

[sleek halo]

Brimmy is

so far from that point tho..

[lusty grove]

I only talked about these 3 because they are the examples you gave btw

[spare pier]

Statis is just looking "hey you killed this thing which directly endangered multiple lives, you might not be that bad"

[lusty grove]

Of course a lot more bosses are evil by choice

[split mortar]

Even normal brimmy is fucking up a lot of the jungle

[limpid saddle]

I mean she doesnt even have to be in her prime

She can just start a forest fire

& that will kind of do it

[split mortar]

🐌

[tepid timber]

I like this as well as there being consequences to your interactions with him

[sleek halo]

I do wonder what we did to brimmy

cuz obviously we can’t kill her

i assume she’s just.. reforming

[split mortar]

Destabilised her body for now idk

[lusty grove]

Honk shoo

[spare pier]

Killing an Elemental kinda just puts her in timeout, as you can probably guess from Silva

[lusty grove]

We put her to sleep

A mimir

[sleek halo]

true

[spare pier]

But, you can probably assume

That's not the case for Cloudy because she's split

[sleek halo]

let’s just hope when she wakes up

from this nap

[spare pier]

And, well

[sleek halo]

it doesn’t end as badly

[spare pier]

You can also draw the same for Sandy

Sandy and Cloudy are split so you can fight multiple them, Ana and Brimmy are mostly whole

[sleek halo]

And Silva is well

Silva is in the coming back stage

again..

Silva try not to be brutalized challenge

impossible

[spare pier]

I do say "mostly" whole because like

Brimmy has the Brimlings

But you still kill them in the fight so

[sleek halo]

imagine another city gets built up around brimmy

that’d be tough

[lusty grove]

Anti brimmy dome

[sleek halo]

“This area seems really cool :3”

[split mortar]

Brimmy and having cities built on her bed

Silva and being gooped and then abyssd

[sleek halo]

I mean brimstone crags afaik is probably the best place for a city LOL

especially cause I imagine brimmys mere presence means most things fuck right off

demons n whatnot

just have an inherent feeling of “I will die if I go over here”

[sinful adder]

Is brimmy weaker than usual because of her fight with calamitas?

[spare pier]

Byeah, I kinda want to try and test out some limits with Statis when we get around adding him

[split mortar]

Not confirmed but i think scal absorbed brimmys power

Sponge style

And so brimmy weaker

[sinful adder]

They had to have been equal in power during their fight

Or for most of it

[limpid saddle]

how many fargo seconds do you think thats gonna take

[spare pier]

No fucking idea

[split mortar]

Atleast 2

[sinful adder]

Also, I noticed that the order of the elementals also roughly matches how violent they are

Brimmy is very destructive, sandy and anahita kinda suck, cloudy is more or less neutral, and Silva is basically a human

[sleek halo]

I wonder if Silva is gonna try to do anything about the other elementals

[sinful adder]

I think she will just beat them up if they mess with life

[patent tiger]

do you guys think moon lord would be like

above yharim in strength

at full power

cuz like when you fight him he's weakened because of his battle with the dragons

[split mortar]

Theyre above noxus

[patent tiger]

ok

cuz like didnt he solo a ton of the dragons all at once or something

[split mortar]

Also zeratros is almost equal to yharim so yeah he is not lasting

[patent tiger]

and since the dragons have auric souls they have to be atleast similar in strength to gods

[split mortar]

Ml is really well built for fighting a trillion smaller guys

Like the healing toungue thing

[split mortar]

Tbf slime god is a god

But yeah

[patent tiger]

is he?

is it canon that he actually consumed an auric soul

[split mortar]

Yes

[patent tiger]

crazy

[split mortar]

The soul of gluttony

[patent tiger]

bro's weak asf

[split mortar]

Slime god can solo the average army :/

[patent tiger]

that explains a lot

[split mortar]

-# they dont indulge their gluttonous feeling though

[patent tiger]

didnt zeratros get weakened to a point of being killed by xeroc because of moon lord?

[split mortar]

Even more weak then that

Theyd have died to the wounds no matter what

And yharon couldnt rebirth them for some reason

So once they died
They were GONE

So its unlikely the strongest human at that point in history had to fight much if at all

[patent tiger]

yeah exactly

so how much stronger is xeroc than zeratros?

[split mortar]

Well
Cei (lead lore writer) thinks that 40 yharims with absolute perfect strategy and coordination could overwhelm xeroc

So since theyre similiar in power itd prob be around the same number of zeratros to beat xeroc

[patent tiger]

ruh

how strong was xeroc before consuming auric soul

[split mortar]

Strong enough
-# the writers cant even pick a concrete strength lol

[patent tiger]

because if it was just a regular dude wouldnt they be similar in strength to zeratros after consuming

[split mortar]

Either way xeroc has likely trained and worked for 800-900 years

So

Yeah

Strong

[patent tiger]

but wouldnt it be similar?

i assume auric souls empower humans and dragons equally

[split mortar]

Eh
Xeroc was the strongest human on the planet when they ascended afaik

[split mortar]

Gods dont have auric souls

They have god souls

[patent tiger]

ik

but dont they consume the auric soul i mean

[split mortar]

Yes
And completely change it to something new

[patent tiger]

is that god soul stronger than an auric soul

or similar

[split mortar]

iirc gods can be weaker or stronger then the dragon, bit random

Xeroc the had a perfect ascension and thus had a Drastically stronger result then anyone else and so is almost def special

Everything thay could be in xerocs favour when ascending was

[patent tiger]

ok

[split mortar]

Strongest human
Strongest dragon
Perfect ascension

[patent tiger]

crazy

how does moon lord compare to xeroc

is it like mid diff?

[split mortar]

Prime fovos gets like
Mid diffed

[patent tiger]

hm

[sinful adder]

full power moon lord was a little weaker than xeroc

[patent tiger]

ok

[sinful adder]

I don't actually know what that means

[patent tiger]

what abt agianst zerotros?

[patent tiger]

diff is difficulty

so difficulty to win

xeroc wins with moderate difficulty

[split mortar]

Zeratros dying, many times weaker

Low difficulty

[patent tiger]

ok makes sense

[sinful adder]

xeroc always beats moon lord unless there's some kind of advantage in moon lord's favor

[patent tiger]

hold up so who is noxus

[split mortar]

Rebecca thinks that like

Everything has to go in moonlords favout for it

[patent tiger]

do we really have any info on him

[split mortar]

Devourer of gods boss
Creator of ceaseless void

[sinful adder]

yeah

[patent tiger]

ok so is he from DoG's realm or something?

[split mortar]

Yep

Predates gods

[patent tiger]

he's not a god then?

[split mortar]

Nope

Just something

We dunno what

[patent tiger]

ok

[split mortar]

But its there and threatens the world if it ever emerged

[patent tiger]

does moon lord win vs all the dragons?

[split mortar]

Its a tie

Since thats what happened

[patent tiger]

ah

he wiped most of them right?

[split mortar]

Well prime moonlord tied

[sinful adder]

yeah

moon lord now is much weaker

[patent tiger]

yeah duh

lore wise cultists are trying to keep him away right?

[lusty grove]

Tbh yeah, Xeroc could grow in power after absorbing zeratros soul still

[split mortar]

Yup

[lusty grove]

Moonlord kinda cant do that

[split mortar]

We dunno what ml is

Could be a child of its species afawk

[patent tiger]

is it still cthulhu or was that changed from vanilla

[split mortar]

Or it could be a unique being

[lusty grove]

Wait did they change moonlords lore again or is he still fovos?

[split mortar]

Changed

[patent tiger]

k

[split mortar]

Still fovos

Vanilla has no bearing on calamity lore

[patent tiger]

k

[lusty grove]

Yeah what i mean is more like, moonlord kinda got his shit wrecked

And has been recovering ever since (or not even recovering)

[split mortar]

Both sides did

Dragons nearly died

Fovos nearly died

[lusty grove]

True, but Xeroc doesnt really suffer from that

[light linden]

I feel like he's been kinda like Loki after Hulk threw him around

[patent tiger]

quite the opposite cuz he got a free auric soul lol

[light linden]

Just sitting there in agony

[lusty grove]

What i mean is: Xeroc could grow after getting the soul while even at its peak Moonlord couldnt beat them since yk, no extra growth and all

[split mortar]

Yeah fair

[lusty grove]

Idk if moonlord could grow in power though

Even at his peak

[light linden]

honestly

I doubt they could now

they're basically a ghost

[lusty grove]

Yeah

At best he could MAYBE recover some of his power(?)

[light linden]

hell I've always headcanoned that its soul got dragged into polterghast

[lusty grove]

But hes very wrecked from the fight still

[light linden]

and that's why polterghast becomes such a big issue

[lusty grove]

Didnt polterghasts issue only became more prevalent after the era of dragons?

[light linden]

eh

[split mortar]

Polter has only existted for a few decades max

[light linden]

it has been a thing for a while but not that long

[split mortar]

Since its prisoners of yharims crusade

[patent tiger]

it would be cool if devs found a way to have moon lord be like revitalized to his prime again and have it as a boss fight or something

[light linden]

it's a bunch of souls that are violently seeking out new ones to add to the collection

basically like Ermac but more insane

[split mortar]

Addon content imo

[lusty grove]

Thatd probably just devolve into powerscaling if it was added in the main mod imo

[patent tiger]

i guess

[lusty grove]

As melon said probably best for addon

[split mortar]

And even then i think undying flame providence would be better

[patent tiger]

it's either just below or above noxus no?

[lusty grove]

Way Below imo

Both Xeroc and Noxus had time to grow by now

[split mortar]

Thing is

How close it is to xeroc matters

[light linden]

it's above exos and yharim but below xeroc iirc

[patent tiger]

i mean we dont know what noxus is so 🤷

[split mortar]

Cause xeroc is just flat beyond us

[lusty grove]

We know its bad

[split mortar]

We wont kill them

[lusty grove]

Really bad

Even Draedon knows its something evil iirc

From the way he comments about the distortion and all

[real silo]

Noxus from league of legends

[lusty grove]

Kills you

[real silo]

Lives myself

[agile shuttle]

They havent seen me

[split mortar]

Too bad
You wont

[patent tiger]

is distortion the original dimension or recreation?

DoG's massive cap confused me

[split mortar]

A spatial anomally so gargantuanly huge that its effectively a different dimension

[patent tiger]

ok

[split mortar]

?
Dog is egotistical and lies a lot

[patent tiger]

i know

but he said distortion was his creation and it was a recreation of his original dimension

[split mortar]

They said ceaseless void was their creation

Not the distortion

iirc

[lusty grove]

Yeah

[patent tiger]

yeah was abt to correct myself lol

[lusty grove]

He said ceaseless was a portal he created

But even draedon calls him on that

[patent tiger]

realized it after i said it

[lusty grove]

iirc

[split mortar]

Yharim and draedon call them out

[patent tiger]

so the distortion is DoG's home dimension?

[split mortar]

Yes

[split mortar]

EVEN FUCKING YHARIM DOES

[patent tiger]

not to his face right just in the logs?

[split mortar]

Yeah

Probably

[patent tiger]

ok

[lusty grove]

Yeah he just cant create a stable portal like ceaseless

He can make portals for himself

But they arent stable enough to like, stay put

The same way ceaseless is

[patent tiger]

ok

[split mortar]

Storm weaver is the only distortion being we know of that cant open portals there

Lmao

[lusty grove]

Storm weaver seems chill imo

Shame we have to kill it

[split mortar]

We dont theyre optional

[lusty grove]

True

[patent tiger]

i mean we don't know that

[lusty grove]

DoG opened his portal

[split mortar]

We know that?

[patent tiger]

they're a sentinal of DoG right?

[lusty grove]

Oh wait thats old lore right

I forgot about that

[split mortar]

Thats outdated

[lusty grove]

Old lore

[split mortar]

The sentinels arent sentinels

[patent tiger]

oh

ok

[sinful adder]

There are probably lots of distortion creatures that can't open portals, but are just in the distortion because... They can't open portals

[split mortar]

Thats from old lore back when they were

[lusty grove]

I wonder if they are gonna keep the DoG or someone bringing weaver specifically though

[split mortar]

A better name to refer to them is

Distortion nomads iirc

[lusty grove]

The critters

[robust osprey]

monkey uses their braincells for first time

[patent tiger]

ill continue calling them sentinels with the knowledge that's not what they are

[split mortar]

Fair

[lusty grove]

Rebecca might murder you

[patent tiger]

is eye of cthulhu brain of cthulhu and skeletron still part of moon lord's dismembered body based on lore

ik you said vanilla stuff is irrelevant but then we don't have an explanation on what they are

[robust osprey]

no

BoC is crimson creature

aka dead god essence thing

and skeletron is a cuse

beacuse the real chippygaming went to steal dungeon

[split mortar]

Eye and brain are products of evil biomes

Skeletron is a curse put on a thief by the dragon cult who own the dungeon

[sinful adder]

We do have explanations. You can read them...

[robust osprey]

he was cursed

and his role was inverted

being now the guardian

[sinful adder]

Its in the lore document

[patent tiger]

how do we know eye of product of evil?

[split mortar]

Its 2:40 am so uh
Good question

If you want a easy to access place to read all the lore theres a doc in the pins btw

[lusty grove]

Stare that mf in the eye (body?) and tell me that is t a creature of pure evil

[split mortar]

It also drops metallic god essence…

Meaning it is at the very least very twisted by it

[patent tiger]

is crimtane/demonite god essence?

[robust osprey]

part of it yes

the whole biome is

[patent tiger]

ok

are there any other confirmed gods other than the ones for the hallow, crimson, corruption

[robust osprey]

I mean it's not god (singular)

it's rather gods

but ye

[patent tiger]

and also xeroc and silva

[robust osprey]

yeah

[patent tiger]

and prov

[robust osprey]

the only alive gods (before terrarian pops up) are slime god, provi, xeroc and silva

silva being dubious beacuse she is literally just planty mush in the abyss

but she is still..."alive"

there are also confirmed dead gods

that I forgor the names

[patent tiger]

oh yeah i forgot about slime god

he barely counts lol

[robust osprey]

shakidou is one

[patent tiger]

how many dead gods are there approximately

[robust osprey]

I think otinilou?? or similar

[robust osprey]

every god except those 4

probably

[patent tiger]

how many?

[robust osprey]

the number is .

[light linden]

we don't have a specific number

[patent tiger]

estimated

[robust osprey]

still dunno

a lot

[patent tiger]

shouldnt it be a lot because there were a lot of auric dragons

[robust osprey]

idk

[patent tiger]

how is an auric soul different from a regular soul

[dusk laurel]

a lot

[patent tiger]

what makes it stronger i mean

[dusk laurel]

hundreds to thousands

[robust osprey]

the power of a domain (like yharon being dragon of rebirth)

[patent tiger]

ohhh

[robust osprey]

and a lot of power in general

[patent tiger]

what defines a god in calamity lore?

just like consumed an auric soul?

[robust osprey]

guy who ate auric soul

[patent tiger]

ok

[hot valve]

There is very likely a good amount of other living gods, but they don’t concern calamity’s story

So they’re not named

Specifically on other continents

Or just, other parts of the continent even

[patent tiger]

ok

[patent tiger]

are other continents canon

[dusk laurel]

yes

4 other continents

[hot valve]

The place we play on is a very thin strip of one of the continents (which is why we can go from ocean to ocean)

[patent tiger]

interesting

i wonder is that lore relevant

[hot valve]

Yharim’s crusade was worldwide, so it’s not like he simply missed going somewhere, but I personally doubt he was perfectly thorough across the entire world to get every god except like 4
There’s definitely very few left, though

[patent tiger]

why did yharim go on a crusade again?

it was for revenge i know but revenge against who exactly

[hot valve]

He considers gods to have committed an unforgivable sin, that of killing a dragon

[patent tiger]

ah

makes sense

why did yharim not get slime god or prov

[hot valve]

Both are extremely evasive

[patent tiger]

really?

[hot valve]

Slime god capable of very efficient tactical retreats

[patent tiger]

oh yeah i see now

[hot valve]

And providence frequently appeared, wreaked havoc on his army, and left

[patent tiger]

ok

[hot valve]

Never fighting yharim himself, to my knowledge

[patent tiger]

the logical decision

why does yharim care so much about dragons again?

it was because yharon saved him right?

[hot valve]

The gods who are alive are basically just the extremely elusive at this point

[patent tiger]

ok

[hot valve]

Yharon has spun the story of dragons (biased perspective) and Yharim takes Yharon’s plea quite seriously

[patent tiger]

ok

why did yharim just let the player kill yharon

i know he'd rebirth but like wouldn't that still suck

[tidal tulip]

Lorewise, it's self defense

Yharon comes after the player to kill them because the player, growing in power, is a threat to Yharim's life

[patent tiger]

yeah

but why doesnt yharim intervene?

[patent tiger]

self preservation you mean?

[tidal tulip]

Well, you could say that

[magic epoch]

most bosses lorewise are just self defense

[patent tiger]

just this is what i need to know

[tidal tulip]

But the player is defending themselves from yharon attacking thr player

[patent tiger]

ok

so yharim doesnt intervene because of the principle?

[tidal tulip]

I'm not entirely sure, but it's likely because the player is just defending themselves from an attack and yharim trying to intervene would make him look like a dick to the player (tbf, he is pretty shitty already) but he believes himself to not be that shitty, considering how he portrays himself in the lore items, so he doesn't intervene

[magic epoch]

i don't think yharim and yharon are close anymore either

[patent tiger]

so then this basically

[patent tiger]

ok

[tidal tulip]

Pretty much

[patent tiger]

ok

[magic epoch]

not as much anyways

[patent tiger]

is yharim being portrayed as "remorseful" still canon?

[magic epoch]

i don't think so

afterall he still actively tries to gaslight the player

[patent tiger]

ok

[patent tiger]

how so?

[magic epoch]

he tries to coerce the player into finishing off the last of the gods, basically a second yharim

[tepid timber]

I wish I had someone to gaslight me

[tidal tulip]

I got a feeling he's delusional like that, but you could be right. That, or I'm not caught up with the lorewriters

[patent tiger]

ah

who is braelor?

[tepid timber]

Champion of silva iirc

[tidal tulip]

I'm not sure if he's a demigod, or just someone heavily favored by silva

[patent tiger]

champion?

oh ok

[tepid timber]

He’s a powerful follower of hers

[patent tiger]

where is he referenced in lore other than in providence's lore item

[tidal tulip]

Signus' lore item

[patent tiger]

that's it?

[tidal tulip]

I think so

[dusk laurel]

draetalk

[frozen zodiac]

also braelor and statis are gay (very important)

[magic epoch]

True!

[dusk laurel]

brief mention there

[dusk laurel]

fact

[tepid timber]

More important than yharim

[patent tiger]

oh he's a member of statis' clan right?

[tidal tulip]

Absolutely important like that

[patent tiger]

EXTREME relelvance

[tidal tulip]

I don't think so

[tepid timber]

No

They’re just gay

[patent tiger]

what does compatriot mean in signus' lore item then

"Statis' compatriot Braelor dueled me to a standstill"

[thick slate]

very gay

[patent tiger]

ok

[tepid timber]

His gay lover

[patent tiger]

bruh

[magic epoch]

Friend buddy

[patent tiger]

where else is braelor mentioned?

[tidal tulip]

Someone mentioned it previously, but draedon's communication

I believe it was the exo mechanical trio

[languid badge]

they should silently renate noxus to naxus and nobody will know for the next 8 years

[tidal tulip]

It was a brief mention tho

Nothing of importance

[tepid timber]

And he should canonically wear the disguise hat and mustache with glasses

[patent tiger]

ok

also unrelated but is there a general roadmap for updates?

[thick slate]

they should make uh

more gay people in calamity

[patent rover]

me

[patent tiger]

extremely relevant to the lore

[thick slate]

especially lesbian

[patent rover]

ME

[dusk laurel]

Yes

[thick slate]

very very important

[light linden]

@pliant ruin

[thick slate]

the only thing that keeps lore discuss alive is gay people

[tepid timber]

They should add a panda to the lore

[patent rover]

i am being added to calamity mod

[patent tiger]

cat is better

[thick slate]

mreow!

[tepid timber]

The weapons formed against me shall not prosper

[pliant ruin]

yuri

[dusk laurel]

Sunken sea overhaul -> minor biome updates -> Crags overhaul -> more minor biome updates -> Distortion -> ??? -> Dragon's aerie/Yharim

[patent tiger]

can't wait for distortion

[tepid timber]

I need the resprite for signus so damn bad

It’s so clean

[patent tiger]

finally DoG tierskip will be viable

cuz cosmilite will be mined as an ore right?

[dusk laurel]

cosmilite will still be postDoG

[tepid timber]

Makes sense

[dusk laurel]

also, it might not even be an ore

if we're lucky, liquid cosmilite

[patent tiger]

i can shimmer auric

[patent tiger]

hope not then no shimmering auric to get it

[dusk laurel]

what's the point

[patent tiger]

then i can use the cosmilite for an anvil and poof, DoG tierskip

[tepid timber]

But…

[manic coral]

reign of yuri

[tepid timber]

Auric is post yharon no?

[dusk laurel]

yes

[pliant ruin]

[patent tiger]

https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/568192082473386020/1341623138299154466

[tepid timber]

How tf you getting auric before dog?

[dusk laurel]

yharon

the summoning item can be made as early as pre-ml

[tepid timber]

I mean like how is dog worse than yharon?

[patent tiger]

it is

[dusk laurel]

no one likes dog

[light linden]

hi cei

[tepid timber]

He’s just a little guy

[manic coral]

also i dont see why cosmilite not dropping form DoG directly would be a DoG skip

[light linden]

uhh

I like him because they require you to aim

[manic coral]

becuase what would you mine auric with

[dusk laurel]

Explodes you with my mind

[manic coral]

since this is asusming that content is added

[patent tiger]

i killed yharon before DoG in my most recent run, 8 attempts. even using one of yharon's drops i still lost multiple times and ended on 18 attempts for DoG

[light linden]

nah I'd win

[manic coral]

and you'll need a cosmilite tool to mine auric

[patent tiger]

no?

i mined a shit ton of auric before realizing i can't craft anything

[dusk laurel]

yes

that will be added

cosmilite mining tool

[patent tiger]

ah fuck

😦

[manic coral]

yes when distortion is added and shit you will need to make like some sort of cosmilite mining tool

[patent rover]

fishing crates

[manic coral]

to mine auric

[dusk laurel]

f*shing

[patent tiger]

you fucking genius

[manic coral]

and maybe some stuff in the final section of the crags when that's also added

[patent rover]

fishing is being removed in sso

[patent tiger]

hate that but it's better than DoG

[light linden]

I'm still angry about that being patched

since it messes with getting ichor rounds

[patent tiger]

huh

[late veldt]

all of it?

[dusk laurel]

no

[manic coral]

my idea is trees only cutable with basiclaly a cosmilite-tier chainsaw or axe tool of some sort to make Silva armor if you use it

[patent rover]

no modded drops in vanilla crates

[patent tiger]

😦

[patent rover]

it makes me sad

[late veldt]

low% economy is in shambles

[thick slate]

reign of yaoi

[dusk laurel]

453 - Calamity crates now have the same drops as vanilla biome crates, with only the following additions: - Done ✅

Sulphurous and Hydrothermal Crates drop Sulphurous Sea blocks.
Hydrothermal Crates additionally drop 1 Ancient Treasure Chest item.
Eutrophic and Prism Crates drop Sunken Sea blocks.
Monolith and Astral crates drop the Astrophage.
Astral Crates additionally drop Starblight Soot.

[patent rover]

and yeah even the modded crates are made sterile and boring af

[tepid timber]

[late veldt]

what are the following additions?

[light linden]

scoria in infernum is gonna be so much worse

[late veldt]

:hawktruah:

[thick slate]

what

[manic coral]

i myself really think it'd be better to jsut. improve the fishing drops.

[tepid timber]

I’m gonna have to actually make the abyssal diving gear to get scoria each playthrough

[manic coral]

but also, i dont know how to change that myself

[dusk laurel]

*nfernum

[light linden]

[patent rover]

improving would be good, removing is not

[patent tiger]

https://imgflip.com/i/9kpkbu

[dusk laurel]

fishing has a lot of potential but relogic doesn't see a need to make it not boring so i just don't care for it

[tepid timber]

Fishing is fun

[patent tiger]

somebody somewhere in this server said they were gonna make a mod that spawns fish in water and you can catch them with a net after i complained about fishing being boring asf

[tepid timber]

I like seeing the little fish

[late veldt]

fishing is good for getting accessories early game. and getting ores in hardmode if you're doing a challenge or just allergic to mining or something

[patent rover]

i enjoy fishing

[dusk laurel]

that's all i see fishing used for

challenge playthroughs

[patent tiger]

fishing is just meh

[tepid timber]

I unironically enjoy the fishing quests

[patent tiger]

not enough dopamine ‼️‼️‼️

lol

[dusk laurel]

lmao

[patent rover]

gambling

[tepid timber]

Fish with some mexican music

[patent tiger]

gedagedao thing is better

cotton eye joe chicken nugget

[tepid timber]

What the fuck

[late veldt]

fishing is for pink horseshoe balloon and frog boots. and then potions later on

[dusk laurel]

[patent tiger]

frog leg is the best item in this entire fucking game

change my mind

[light linden]

I've never used it lmao

[thick slate]

💔

[pliant ruin]

i was trying to get some rice cooked but the rice bag opened suddenly and i got a bunch of rice on the floor

unrelated to lore

[late veldt]

My brother dumped a bunch of shredded cheese on the floor the other day

[pliant ruin]

why would he do that to me

[late veldt]

unrelated cheese

[patent tiger]

lore accurate ⁉️⁉️⁉️ https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/514145317667471401/1341669020633661453

[mighty zenith]

❌

[thorn drift]

is demonshade canon?

[calm patio]

as of now, no.

[robust osprey]

any shadowspec stuff is non canon

thing is shadowspec will be no longer required in a future update

for demonshade

[limpid saddle]

Oh fr?

[robust osprey]

ye

shadowspec itself is dev item

so anything thay derivates from it is not canon

[slow basalt]

do we know how many dragons there were??

[hoary berry]

no

unless i've missed yet another dev statement

[cloud ibex]

no exact number but somewhere in the thousands i think

[hoary berry]

the number 3000 is in my head but i don't know where it came from

[thick slate]

probably like 3

[split mortar]

Cei writes as if there was 3K ish dragons

[split mortar]

Cei writes with that number in mind iirc

[slow basalt]

gahdayum people rlly put in the work killing them#

[split mortar]

There was a century long period of them being hunted iirc

[atomic haven]

there were also a LOT of draconic species which didn't have an auric soul

[sleek halo]

I mean I think… that

[atomic haven]

who were also murdered

[split mortar]

Yeah

[sleek halo]

there isn’t 3,000 as

that’s kinda fucking crazy

[slow basalt]

like wyverns n stuff

[atomic haven]

fishrons, follies, etc

[slow basalt]

ye

[sleek halo]

a lot of domains encompass a lot

[split mortar]

Fishrons
Follies
Wyrms
Wyverns
Basilisks

[slow basalt]

aew still living

[sleek halo]

yeah but tbf

rn he’s the second strongest dragon to live

[split mortar]

Tbf theyre nearly as strong as the actual dragon king

[sleek halo]

ever

auric included

[slow basalt]

strongest being zeratros?

[sleek halo]

Yeah

[split mortar]

Yes

[sleek halo]

Third being

Yharon

afaik

[split mortar]

Yep

[atomic haven]

in terms of auric souls, there were probably just a handful of truly major ones, like Fire or Ice or Light or Rebirth, but a whole lot more minor ones, who Yharim killed himself in the crusade. He needed powerful allies to pursue the gods with major aspects, cause he alone couldn't handle the fallout of killing them

[sleek halo]

Old duke unironically

[atomic haven]

hence crimson and corruption

[split mortar]

Yharim never killed auric dragons

[sleek halo]

surpasses a vasy majority of auric dragons

[slow basalt]

where was xeroc during all this

[atomic haven]

Bro I'm obviously talking about gods

[atomic haven]

hiding

[split mortar]

Doing xeroc things

[mighty zenith]

presumebly in space

(we have no idea)

[lusty grove]

People theorize they could be going after noxus

Its not anything confirmed

Just one of the theories of why

[atomic haven]

I like the idea that EOL is an envoy of Xeroc, hence the borrowed power line

[lusty grove]

Truthfuly we dont know

[atomic haven]

So Xeroc lives in the sun

[split mortar]

Yeah what you said makes sense for gods
-# but that wording is very much making it seem like you talking of auric beings

[lusty grove]

Going after Noxus could explain why Xeroc didnt do anything during Yharims war

Because i dont think Xeroc would just, let him do that, if they were able to go there

[sleek halo]

Imo Xeroc doesn’t interfere cause well

It’s just what happens

shit happens

[atomic haven]

Might also be that as what is essentially just a human mind of unfathomable power, he realizes that he can't really wield that power without destroying the world

the dragons could because they were born with that power, but he stole it

[split mortar]

They werent

Or atleast not all were

[atomic haven]

zag whatever was

the first one

[split mortar]

Dragon of life

[atomic haven]

anyway they were clearly meant to have the power

humans were not

[dusk laurel]

DoL was the first to get an auric soul

[lusty grove]

I feel like thats just feel evil

[atomic haven]

hence abominations like the slime god or wall of flesh or providence

[split mortar]

The world soul shattered
We dunno why

[split mortar]

Wof isnt a god

Its a god essence containing thing

[atomic haven]

can you stop doing that oh my god

[split mortar]

Doing what

[atomic haven]

This weird nitpicking

[lusty grove]

Itd justify Yharims view even if just slightly (not a good thing)

[dusk laurel]

It's not

[atomic haven]

I know that wof isn't a god but it's still a vessel for divine power which wasn't meant to have it

hence it's in the same category as providence and slime god as vessels for divine power which weren't meant to have it

[dusk laurel]

All dragons were shaped by their auric souls, like how most gods were changed physically when they absorbed an auric soul

[lusty grove]

Like

[atomic haven]

like there's a reason silva is the least messed up one, because she was already an elemental, i.e. an embodiment of nature, and absorbed a soul which complimented this aspect

[split mortar]

Yeah they were also changed physically

Having a domain just does that

[lusty grove]

Seeing an actual genocide and doing nothing

Thats just evil imo

Complacency

Its not even natural order because it disregulated the entire world

Plus it empowered a possible world ending threat

(noxus)

[sleek halo]

Yeah which is more interesting to me than like

[split mortar]

she can also just, shapeshift away any changes as mentioned by writers iirc

But you would have a point for xeroc i think since he was also rather unchanged and was the monk of the dragon

[sleek halo]

Xeroc stoppjng Yharim

[dusk laurel]

He can also shapeshift

[lusty grove]

Wouldnt that sorta justify yharims views on Xeroc though?

[atomic haven]

pretty sure all the gods can shapeshift

[dusk laurel]

Nope

[split mortar]

Didnt know that

[atomic haven]

wait really

[dusk laurel]

Xeroc and Silva are special cases

[sleek halo]

Yharim’s view of Xeroc

is that he’s a traitor

[atomic haven]

what is xeroc's aspect actually

just light?

[split mortar]

Primordial light

[lusty grove]

And the biggest sinner of all gods