lore-discussion

[light linden]

we don't exactly kill all of them fast

[sleek halo]

the timeframe is up to u

[split mortar]

Also water wildlife may be a problem

[sleek halo]

Honestly yeah

[split mortar]

Dukefishron territories have to be avoided

[sleek halo]

one of the shores is

Literally unable to go onto

[split mortar]

So do awuatic scourges

[sleek halo]

Imagine ur just chillin

[light linden]

eh

[sleek halo]

and fucking nuclear terror shows up

[light linden]

aren't they peaceful until provoked?

[real silo]

Who noxus?

[sleek halo]

aquatic scourges r likely the best thing to see

no duke fishrons then

[real silo]

old duke upon ye

[split mortar]

Fair forgor that

[sleek halo]

cause i imagine they’d fight for territory

[split mortar]

Dukes will wreck that wurm

[sleek halo]

i mean

not rly

it’d be a fucking tough fight

I doubt it ends in death often

or even happens often

just cause it’s a big risk

[light linden]

tbf we don't know what duke does outside of battle

[sleek halo]

now old duke… would slaughter as

Brother is almost as strong as DoG

[split mortar]

The sulphurous sea cant be where people approach and the normal sea is

Territory of leviana and a duke

[tepid timber]

What was yharim’s weapon of choice?

[split mortar]

Our only clue is the #mod-announcements message yomi hustle mod which is lore accurate

Seems a sword with yharims crystal as a side thing

[tepid timber]

Yeah the sword in the trailer definitely looks like the defiled greatsword

Neat

Maybe it’s different actually

[mighty zenith]

i thought the whole reason defiled greatsword was renamed was to move it AWAY from yharim

this one looks way more like his old concept art sword

[tepid timber]

I kinda see that now, the blade profile was pretty reminiscent of the defiled greatsword, thought it does have the brighter colors of his concept art sword

[sleek halo]

tbh

any weapon not made of auric doesn’t

really make sense..

[split mortar]

He soray painted it

[sleek halo]

especially if it’s only partially auric and has an entirely different material attached

because like

he’s no blacksmith..

[tepid timber]

So you’re saying giant blacksmith from ds1 is being added to calamity?

[sleek halo]

true

[hoary cape]

Yharim obviously has his own goblin tinkerer

Once draedon leaves that is

[split mortar]

Draedon reforged his armour and got the exo modifier

[hoary cape]

I want the exo modifier

[rotund shore]

Armor reforges is such a fucked up notion

[plucky lichen]

Now I need a mod that reskins the goblin tinkerer as draedon

That would be incredibly funny

[light linden]

eh

[late veldt]

Ok but Yharim getting Auric Springlocked is a really really fucking funny visual

[light linden]

I can't lie, a sword made of auric seems counterintuitive

a hammer I could see

but a sword would just send whatever you hit flying before you could cut through it

[real silo]

Some giant swords are more like clubs than swords anyways

Maybe yharim uses a macuahuitl with auric blades instead of obsidian ones

[spare pier]

I think this is just a really lame way of viewing it, like

Your character makes so much random bullshit

Why YHARIM, the greatest warrior of all time who is also 130 years old, couldn't just

Make a sword?

[sleek halo]

Ur character stabilized something before Draedon

I think it’s fair to say we’re inherently pretty damn good at that shit

[spare pier]

Yeah, but if we are, why can't Yharim also be?

[sleek halo]

becauee Yharim hs an entire war to wage

constantly

like

he also had

other people

more than liekly

capable of doing those things

[late veldt]

Dude the player just gets constantly fucking jumped by random bitches like all the time

[spare pier]

^

And just because Yharim had more blacksmiths, why would he relegate them with the task of making HIS stuff?

He'd still need them because he needs to supply an entire fucking army

[limpid saddle]

I always assumed Yharim would be too busy commiting war-crimes & screaming on top of piles of corpses to do the more relaxed terraria things like crafting & building

Like I could see him doing some Havel the Rock shit & carving his enemies bones into weaponry but that's kind of the extent in my mind

[late veldt]

Draedon met him while he was organizing a fucking city cleanup

[light linden]

"Yharim was a very distinctive figure even then and it was not difficult to locate him. I found him in a charred street directing the cleanup effort"

welp I'm the snail this time

[spare pier]

You do know what he meant by "cleanup", right?

[limpid saddle]

my point is proven yet again?

[light linden]

destroyed buildings?

[late veldt]

Ohhhhhhh

[spare pier]

Yharim wasn't powerwashing the streets

[real silo]

he cleans up destroyed cities with broomsticks and mops

[split mortar]

Genocide?

[spare pier]

He was looking for any survivors

[late veldt]

I thought he was legitimately just going around with a little trash grabber thing with a bunch of guys

[light linden]

oh.

[limpid saddle]

So yeah

[real silo]

I did not know this

[limpid saddle]

Too busy killing people & screaming on piles of corpses to craft & build

[spare pier]

Granted, the image of Yharim powerwashing a place he had just burned down is REALLY FUNNY

[real silo]

YOU'RE TELLING ME HE WASN'T??

What the fuck

Image shattered

[late veldt]

Yeah I think that line might be a little unclear if people legitimately just thought he was going at it with a powerwasher 😭

[light linden]

I thought he was directing rubble being cleared ngl

[limpid saddle]

I mean yeah to be honest I also thought that

Both interpretations make sense

[late veldt]

I legitimately thought he was just trying to help a community rebuild (in his own image)

[real silo]

I thought that was supposed to portray him as a down to earth guy who goes around overseeing his men cleaning up the cities

[limpid saddle]

Why wouldn't he convert captured territories into outposts?

[spare pier]

But like, yeah obviously I don't think Yharim just stopped sometimes to build or shit

But I think him not being able to make his own sword is just

Eh

[light linden]

oh also rebecca

[real silo]

I thought he'd conquer cities and turn them into his own forces

[light linden]

there a lore explanation for the different types of demon eyes?

[spare pier]

They are just different

Though ok to be fair

I actually don't know if Cei meant for it to be that kind of cleanup lol

[light linden]

I've always thought the purple and red ones were corrupted by the evil biomes

[late veldt]

Oh

[spare pier]

I didn't write that line, I just immediately jumped to "oh he is catching any survivors"

I don't think it'd make sense for him to try and cleanup a city after he fucking burned it

[limpid saddle]

Well generally when you're done ransacking your enemies territory in massive battles you tend to

claim the territory

[late veldt]

I legitimately thought it was him and a bunch of other guys going around with little trash grabber thingies being like "ough we gotta save the environment" or whatever 😭

[late veldt]

yeah that's my main thought there

[limpid saddle]

especially something with such potential value as a city

[limpid saddle]

Seriously it'd honestly be really weird for him to just kill literally everyone there &... leave

That's really bad war-faring

[late veldt]

Reign of Yharim 2: Powerwashing Sim

[real silo]

Yharim got inspired by 7-S ultrakill

Fuck shit up and deal with the consequences later

[spare pier]

Again, I didn't write the line so I actually have no idea lol

[late veldt]

This giant fucking beefcake armored hulk of a man just going around with a little eeny powerwasher

[spare pier]

I just think it's also in character to just drop that out of nowhere

[limpid saddle]

sorry rebecca i just think it's a strange interpretation

[light linden]

misread that as eepy ngl

[limpid saddle]

maybe it can be read as a double entendre?

[late veldt]

Oh shit has Yharim ever tasted coffee

[real silo]

Giant 9 foot man wearing an apron and holding a dinky ass feather duster

[late veldt]

how the fuck does he do all this genocide without a cup of joe

[real silo]

He drinks auric juice

tastes like orange

[late veldt]

-# This is what I mean by 'I could fix him'

[real silo]

not steven fix it felix can fix him

even

not steven

[trail sable]

Do you think Dreadon would go for gamer supps or monster energy? Ofc he can't drink but he has a gamer chair, so he must have a gamer drink to go with it right?

[real silo]

He drinks antifreeze

[random mulch]

he synthesizes pure caffeine and eats it with a spoon

[manic coral]

They were, but he's not great at dealing with that sorta stuff

Other people did that

[limpid saddle]

I see...

[manic coral]

Later on he'd get Permafrost's help for that

[limpid saddle]

Permafrost was a city planner???

i wonder if we can ask him for build advice

[real silo]

He would tell your ass to stop shoving everyon in shoeboxes

[dusk laurel]

Permafrost is a homeowner

it all makes sense now

[split mortar]

Permafrost is a landlord

[plucky lichen]

See this is why I build beautiful buildings for all my npcs

Gonna make a log cabin for him and maybe calamitas to chill in

Gotta finish my giant wizard tower

[real silo]

I build beautiful buildings for bosses

Not often for people

[plucky lichen]

I have a main big house but I need more housing so I’m building a big castle

Or wizard tower

Whatever

I don’t have a picture of it

[magic epoch]

not like you could post it here </3

[trail sable]

I build a magic collage in the ice biome for permafrost and wizard

mostly because 90% of the time the hallow takes over the ice biome-

[distant hornet]

the average calamity playthrough involves having both a spreading biome and the astral infection hitting your snow biome without fail

[late veldt]

how lorous

[spring helm]

i thought the cleanup meant the city was being prepared to become an outpost or something for Yharim's army

[rotund shore]

Ugh no I wants to like him

[plucky lichen]

Permafrost fixing the hole in my wall with paint and a gum wrapper

[manic coral]

either works tbh

[light linden]

also I forgot a few things

we stopped the invasion of literal aliens on our own

[gaunt sluice]

good morning lore chat

[manic coral]

thats the plan, actually, was an idea i came up with while writing

the idea of him being able to permantly improve your towns and stuff

[late veldt]

can Yharim like. bend over in that bulky armor? or does he have one of those trash grabber things in his castle/lair/house/whatever

[manic coral]

he can bend just fine

[light linden]

freed something people across the planet worship as a god

oh wait cei you're here

can I ask a question please?

[manic coral]

how? who cares, it's magical armor, it just works

[manic coral]

whats up

[light linden]

is bandit getting any more lore in sso?

[manic coral]

indeed

[light linden]

pog

thanks

[dusk laurel]

Explodes you

[light linden]

anyways back to what I was saying

[manic coral]

in fact they might have a bit more relevance than you might think

even if not directly tied to the main core story

[light linden]

and literally withstood the might of someone that cooked an entire civilization

[manic coral]

something small i will share that is pointed out but not totally elaborated on in SSO

they and calamitas have crossed paths before

they have met

[light linden]

ah ok

[manic coral]

calamitas even having a line of dialogue being like "oh, hey, they're here. neat."

[gaunt sluice]

bandit waiting for their relevance

[manic coral]

but yeah like

[light linden]

permafrost installs ac in npc housing

[gaunt sluice]

he is the ac

[manic coral]

some of my ideas are things along the lines of making NPCs feel "crowded" at 5 people being in the same place instead of 4, making some NPCs not hate other NPCs, some hapiness increases for towns in specific biomes, reduced shop prices, etc

give him some utility that way

[light linden]

speaking of housing cei

[manic coral]

each of which you'd have to source materials and resources for him to be able to do

[gaunt sluice]

yeah we got 5 people in the desert and snow

[light linden]

will amidias like the sunken sea in sso?

[gaunt sluice]

would be nice if they didn't hate each other

[gaunt sluice]

oh yeah this

[dusk laurel]

I don't see why not

[light linden]

he doesn't currently which always struck me as odd

[manic coral]

that way each NPC can actually have their own niche that isn't just selling things

give permafrost some full-game relevance

[light linden]

we'll still be able to get the weapons that permafrost sells through other methods right?

[manic coral]

he'll probably still offer a few

[gaunt sluice]

he probably still sells stuff

[dusk laurel]

Why don't we just kill the weapons he sells smh

[manic coral]

but yeah this is somethign i really like and is semeingly what we will do for him

it was a pretty liked idea when i brought it up and nobody seems to have any better ideas so

[light linden]

we do not need to get rid of ranger ammo

[dusk laurel]

Rang*r

But ammo doesn't really count as a weapon

[manic coral]

could have ahve specific bonsues be tiers and upgradab;le throughout the game, like having three tiers of reduced shope prices for across the game being like, one being when ya first get him into town, another after golem, and then one more after the devourer

[light linden]

it ain't in the part of the game that needs it but I will absolutely take more variance

[manic coral]

being like

10%, 20%, and 30%

[dusk laurel]

Is the idea of him creating cryonic bars for you still up in the air

[manic coral]

or like real late game maybe the npc crowding limit boost could go up one further from 5 to 6

[manic coral]

it is afaik

[gaunt sluice]

it would be funny if that's how you craft them is you just stand next to him

[manic coral]

and yeah as said to be more specific

basically also able to icnrease the baseline hapiness level of people living in specific biomes, like making people who live underground have a happiness boost by giving them specific commedations for living there

and also yeah specific requiments to get some NPC to not hate others, but maybe is soemthign you cna only do for like

3 or 4 NPCs at once

thats jsut my ideas though

[light linden]

actually

Speaking of NPCs, are there any plans for one that likes the Crags or Sulphurous Sea?

[gaunt sluice]

I'm imagining permafrost trying to explain to Cal why the party girl isn't annoying

[gaunt sluice]

would you like them

[light linden]

I mean

[manic coral]

yeah exactly what i was gonna say

[light linden]

I could think of worse places to live

[manic coral]

[distant hornet]

i find it funny how all of the calamity exclusive biomes are perfectly habitable by your npcs

[manic coral]

i can't

[light linden]

I'd like to live in the crags personally

[manic coral]

[distant hornet]

well

except the abyss

[dusk laurel]

[gaunt sluice]

• Literal hell
• Sea that's polluted to high hell

[light linden]

glowing grass is pretty

[mighty zenith]

sulphurous sea has turtles therefore its completely habitable

[gaunt sluice]

• Brimstone monsters

[long sand]

Put scal in crags

[manic coral]

dude that'd be like choosing to live in hiroshima a week after the bomb dropped

[gaunt sluice]

go to hell

[mighty zenith]

i dont have glumpsup i need my glumpsup

[light linden]

I mean

[dusk laurel]

[mighty zenith]

thank you

[light linden]

I could just use a gun if they get too close

[manic coral]

also hello garbo

:D

[distant hornet]

what about the astral infection

[mighty zenith]

hii

[dusk laurel]

What gun

[mighty zenith]

you know that thing we talked about in daima

[manic coral]

"if they get too close" so constantly

[gaunt sluice]

also monsters

[light linden]

I mean

which part?

[manic coral]

also if you weren't in the outskirts unless you had specilized gear to go into azafure itself

you'd literally jsut burn up and die

[mighty zenith]

guess who got spoiled by a fucking news article

:D

[light linden]

daima?

[manic coral]

i told you that you'd be spoiled

[mighty zenith]

thought i could squeak by
a news article of all things 😭

[manic coral]

honestly im shocked it took this long for you to be spoiled

to be fair given that you know what it is now

[light linden]

also the sulphurous sea doesn't seem too hard to live in

[manic coral]

it ameks sense now that getting spoiled was 100% utterly inevitable

[light linden]

at least pre-polter

[dusk laurel]

You have no idea

[mighty zenith]

yep

[manic coral]

yeah the palce with literal acid rain seems pleasent enough

[light linden]

hell as long as someone doesn't kill the aquatic scourge

[mighty zenith]

it has gnashers so its a perfect place to live

[long sand]

[mighty zenith]

:3

[manic coral]

also gators that can tear through buildings like paper mache

[light linden]

the acid rain doesn't hurt?

[dusk laurel]

Killing all gnashers

Not yet

[mighty zenith]

WHAT THE FGYCJ

[manic coral]

maybe if you only go there once in a while

[long sand]

Fuck those things

[manic coral]

that's for sure got to have some long term effects if you stay though

[dusk laurel]

I'm sorry

[light linden]

I've been wondering speaking of gnashers

[manic coral]

also the radiation

[light linden]

it true that we're getting a pet one?

[dusk laurel]

No

[manic coral]

you'd probably turn into a ghoul from fallout if you lived there for a few years

[gaunt sluice]

rip stylist

[dusk laurel]

There aren't many plans for gnasher

[light linden]

better than living in oklahoma

[wheat walrus]

Silly stipud

[dusk laurel]

other than the resprite

[long sand]

So the average new York resident

[light linden]

also uh

[manic coral]

but yeah a normla person is not lasting a day in the crags, even in the outskirts

[light linden]

people lived in literal hell and closer to the giant deadly laser but the acid rain is too much?

[manic coral]

to be fair, literal hell, like

isn't THAT hot

at least not in recent millenia

like, again

whole city could be made there

if it was THAT hot

that wouldn't have happened

like yeah, it's fuckin hot

but you even falling into the lava isnt an immediate detah sentence

[light linden]

random thing

[manic coral]

even in gameplay AND in lore

see: yharim

[light linden]

how does it get to 110 degrees here but we also sometimes get blizzards

[manic coral]

missouri

[gaunt sluice]

lukewarm lava

[light linden]

oklahoma

[noble niche]

What if yharim was woke? What happen then?

[dusk laurel]

Texas

Since you live near Texas

[late veldt]

that one ghoul who stays in megaton after you blow it up

[dusk laurel]

You get similar weather

[manic coral]

yharher

yharim but based

[dusk laurel]

Texans when I throw another hailstorm at their doorstep

[light linden]

hail in oklahoma is uh

something else

a piece as big as a basketball fell on my mom's car and broke the windshield the day after she bought it

[late veldt]

Honestly I think I'd rather live in the Sulphuric Sea then Missouri

Both are radioactive anyways

[light linden]

same

[dusk laurel]

[manic coral]

yeah can confirm

[light linden]

what kind of foul beast is that

[dusk laurel]

Hell torture

[light linden]

it looks like aquatic scourge

[late veldt]

oh dude you live in Missouri I'm sorry man

[dusk laurel]

Beloved 1.0 Scoog design

Desert Scourge

[late veldt]

wait is it fine to call you dude and man sorry

[dusk laurel]

Everyone says this...

[late veldt]

hellish creature

[manic coral]

idc

[dusk laurel]

No one remembers the joy of blue ds

[light linden]

I do

[late veldt]

👍

[dusk laurel]

No you don't

[light linden]

but that looks more like aquatic scourge

not the old desert scourge

[dusk laurel]

Because it's newer

[manic coral]

last time i brought this up i also got told "my condolences" and yeah

yeah thats checks out

[dusk laurel]

A scrapped redesign

[manic coral]

for god's sake they literally called this place missouri

[light linden]

oh actually speaking of the desert

[manic coral]

they jsut named it misery but spelt different

that says it all

[light linden]

cei, is the sand shark bestiary being rewritten?

[manic coral]

idk

[late veldt]

Yeahe

[light linden]

it seems like it'd both fit and cause some minor issues as it is in vanilla

[manic coral]

ive been busy with other stuff and have only relaly been around for major input

over like

the past month

[light linden]

fair enough

[late veldt]

I remember in like middle school we had a free write one time and I wrote about why Missouri sucks

[manic coral]

LMAO?

ok based though

[dusk laurel]

Praying for GSS's downfall

Triangle, please make it not mid

[eager bluff]

next time i write an essay its gonna be on either why missouri sucks or why honkai impact 3rd has the best story in any game

[light linden]

For context "In ancient times, a saltwater river once ran through the desert. These powerful creatures evolved to survive in the now dry sand."

[late veldt]

One my my friends describes Missouri as like

[light linden]

gss?

[limpid saddle]

[late veldt]

The only place where she's experienced straight up racism

As in her family was denied service at a restaurant

[eager bluff]

great sand shark

[light linden]

oh

wait a minute

did I even kill them in my last playthrough?

[dusk laurel]

No one does

Probably the worst weapon drops out of any enemy

[light linden]

I did in the first playthrough uh

post polter

because I wanted the reaper tooth necklace

[eager bluff]

its weapon drops arent what its good for

its good for the scale

or well

specifically sstn and formerly (maybe currently, idk i dont play rogue) duststorm

[late veldt]

How the hell did Yharim stay alive after getting burned? he didn't get the auric armor like immediately did he?

oh wait the attunement probably

still I wonder what his first armor set looked like

[dusk laurel]

iirc it was auric

somehow

[late veldt]

his first one?

[dusk laurel]

like first or second

[late veldt]

I mean I guess it could make sense, we don't know where the auric came drom

but like still I wanna see what the hell pre auric post burn would have looked like

actually now that I think about it a pre burn design would be neat as hell too

[ruby heart]

If it were rewritten it would be for diferent reasons i think

Like its fated redesign

[light linden]

wrong sand shark

[ruby heart]

Make sense

[light linden]

I mean the vanilla enemy

[ruby heart]

Well let me check their vanilla bestiary

[hoary cape]

Sand shork

[light linden]

@ruby heart

I said it here

[ruby heart]

I think it was changed already

Let me check

[late veldt]

sand the snark

[ruby heart]

They were changed yea

[light linden]

neat ty

[hoary cape]

Are they just Sharks that adapted to their ocean being gone

Or something else

[ruby heart]

If the user who made the new entry want to talk about it

But they are mostly just that yea

[plucky lichen]

Will we ever see what yharim looks like under his helmet

[late veldt]

everybody knows he looks like a redhead twink!!!!! /s

[plucky lichen]

Wow

[late veldt]

idk just watch Star Wars you'll see something that looks close enough

[plucky lichen]

I saw some cool art of him on tumblr of all places once

With an an actual burn scar

It was cool

[ruby heart]

He has a smaller helmet under his helmet

[late veldt]

"Saw cool fandom art on Tumblr" fork found in kitchen

[random mulch]

everyone knows gnomerim is the correct answer

[plucky lichen]

Holy flimble

[light linden]

like a cluster grenade but helmets?

[plucky lichen]

I don’t know why but when I think of yharim I think he would look like ganondorf in a way. I don’t know if his hair is red like the plume but i always imagined it that way

[late veldt]

Yeah I think it's just a universally accepted thing that his hair was/is red like the plume

[ruby heart]

Well

[light linden]

I always thought it was gray

[ruby heart]

The red hair is likely his actual hair

Like radhan

The player auric armor is just plume tho, yharim cosplay

[plucky lichen]

My life is complete at this statement

[split mortar]

I prefer the plume being his hair

[plucky lichen]

Yharim with his beautiful Lucious hair

He needs to drop his routine

[random mulch]

hope we get to see some actual in-game depictions of yharim before he's added as a boss (maybe as a statue or smth idk)

[late veldt]

I think a different writer said it was a plume

[split mortar]

Yharim needs to be the widest and buffest mf ever

[plucky lichen]

Is the armor like some sort of life support for him?? Or am I reading too much into this

[random mulch]

it probably is

[late veldt]

I imagine so, a la Darth Vader

[split mortar]

Probably

[random mulch]

he's 130 and somehow in his physical prime

[late veldt]

His limbs are probably more intact then Darth's though

[plucky lichen]

How does he shower

Unless he doesn’t

He’s just smelly

[late veldt]

It's like the 1800s even with dreadon I'm not sure they have plumbing

[plucky lichen]

I mean there’s bathtubs

Those existed

Go jump in the river with soap

[late veldt]

either way Darth could go out of the armor with lighter life support in specialized conditions so maybe Yharim has something similar

Either way it's still the 1800s everyone probably stinks to high hell

[random mulch]

wouldnt be surprised if he could "take off" his armor plating and only leave the life supporting stuff

[late veldt]

Yeah

[frozen zodiac]

mfw i expect yharim to have a gorgeous head of hair (i dont) but he's actually a living charred corpse and bald as fuck (mustafar anakin looking ahh)

[random mulch]

he is a mustafar anakin looking ahh guy

he simply also looks like he has a hair routine worth more than most countries

[late veldt]

Net worth of Illmeris vs Yharim's hair budget

[hoary cape]

Yharim's armor obviously has integrated showering systems

[hoary cape]

Toilets exist

Like modern ones

And sinks

[dusk laurel]

Toilets have existed for

milennia

[hoary cape]

I said modern ones

[dusk laurel]

ye

[tepid timber]

He has a bidet

[spare pier]

Sand Shark's Bestiary was rewritten but it was very minor

In ancient times, a saltwater river once ran through the desert. These powerful creatures evolved to survive in the now dry sand.

[random mulch]

plumbing has existed for thousands of years

[spare pier]

This is Vanilla

It's already surprisingly close

[late veldt]

auric bidet

[plucky lichen]

Is there an auric toilet in calamity

I haven’t checked

Hold on

Wow there is

Awesome

[long sand]

How do they breathe in the sand

[late veldt]

magic

[plucky lichen]

Magic shark

[spare pier]

Kinda mad that I had an idea which I can't execute

[plucky lichen]

What was the idea

[late veldt]

me all the time every day

[spare pier]

Turning the Scourges into Offshoots

But that's just not good to do as it stands

Disregarding rewriting a bunch of shit, that'd also just make the Offshoot archetype even more bloated and neuter even more cool mystical creatures

[languid badge]

I feel like making a draconic offshoot litterally the second boss would massively reduce the cool factor of offshoots as a whole

[random mulch]

honestly i prefer scourges just kinda being a thing that exist

[spare pier]

Basilisks are Offshoots

[dusk laurel]

I like scourges how they are

[random mulch]

just an animal

[long sand]

Bring bumblebirb back

[languid badge]

are wyverns offshoots?

[plucky lichen]

Big hungry worm thibg

[dusk laurel]

Not every reptilian needs to be an offshoot 💔

[spare pier]

I think having a more mundane one would be cool exactly to show how being an Offshoot isn't just an automatic path to being a super cool and magical animal

[long sand]

Piggy is a offshoot of fishrons

(Real not fake)

[spare pier]

At the end of the day obviously I'm not following through with this, even if thinking about it I think the Scourges are some of the best candidates to have become one

I also just in general prefer to explain weird properties things have in better ways than just "this happens because yes"

I don't like "because yes" as an answer in stuff I write most of the time

[long sand]

Do you write all the lore or are you on part of it

[languid badge]

ok but wyverns are litterally a kind of dragon depending on where you get your information

[spare pier]

I don't write everything

[sleek halo]

The Basilisk in question:

[spare pier]

Yeah but apparently people always forget that

[dusk laurel]

I was referring to scourges since I already love them how they are

[languid badge]

fair

[sleek halo]

I willbsay

i want no more offshoots

too many

at least for this continent of animals

Eidolon Wyrms, Wyverns, Fishrons, Dragonfolly, Basilisk, and I think something else

[long sand]

Also isn't the golden bat just woobat from pokemon or am I tweaking

[dusk laurel]

Nope

[spare pier]

Yeah

If I wanted to make this real I'd just go around and change a bunch of shit about Offshoots

Which is not happening

And even then that desire mostly derives from the fact that I don't like just giving stuff features for no good reason

[plucky lichen]

How did offshoots happen

[split mortar]

Auric Dragons having children

Literally just that

[sleek halo]

dragons that were born too late

[split mortar]

Afaik

[sleek halo]

didn’t get an auric soul

[split mortar]

Auric soil
Auric soull

[sleek halo]

so they’re just…

dragons

[sleek halo]

kills u

[spare pier]

And also because of Apep

[late veldt]

Apep Cpap

Where's Bpop

[eager bluff]

cowboy

[late veldt]

Does Yharim sleep standing up or does he get in a bed with his heavy ass bulky ass armor

Or does he like sit in a chair

[tepid timber]

He chugs monster and never sleeps

[atomic haven]

Yharim is actually dead and what we talk to is a flash copy of his consciousness stored inside his armor which doesn't realize what it is

Draedon did a funny

[eager bluff]

he rotatoes 90° so hes just floating while alseep

[late veldt]

but then again the player is also known to get in a bed with heavy ass bulky ass armor

[random mulch]

he slumps over in his chair to sleepdge

bed is harder to rise from when terrarian approacheth

[atomic haven]

"Yharim isn't it weird that ever since you had that bad fall you've not felt the need to sleep or eat or taken off your helmet even once"
"Not really why"

[tepid timber]

I bet he has fucked up teeth

[random mulch]

ok but yharim sitting on a decaying throne when we encounter him would go hard as hell

[atomic haven]

Yharim's armor being the only thing not covered in a layer of dust in his arena would go absurdly hard

and then he stands up and there's a shockwave which throws up a cloud, obscuring sight

and when the dust clears, he's grown to double your size

[random mulch]

first place in decaying ruins,in phase transition he just throws you through a wall so now the fight's outside

[atomic haven]

goood that would be so fucking awesome

the arena visibly gets more and more damaged throughout the battle

trees are uprooted, the ground cracks

nearby buildings are reduced to rubble

[plucky lichen]

I love the primordial dragon of dendro

[spare pier]

I love Desert Scourge too

[plucky lichen]

Hungry worm

Rebecca are you excited for skirk to be released

In like

Maybe a few months

[spare pier]

Yeah

Because her being playable entails

A lot

[plucky lichen]

Yeah

I wonder if there will be any new element or mechanic

Hope we get an awesome story quest

[spare pier]

Next Dains Quest is gonna go fucking insane

[plucky lichen]

I’m so excited dude it’ll be awesome

I must learn more about the 5 sinners

[limpid saddle]

uh seems kinda undoable for terraria's limitations as a videogame

Or otherwise obnoxiously difficult

[spring helm]

it's all dragons in the end

everything is dragons

humans are distant offshoots

[plucky lichen]

Lizards all along

[late veldt]

why is Yharim racist to Lizahards

[split mortar]

Because

Yeah

He is

[mighty zenith]

god worshippers

[late veldt]

Oh yeah

[split mortar]

Not all are god worshippersp

[light linden]

some day we'll get witch doctor lore

[late veldt]

Ha, I remember the ancient times when people thought Yharim was a Lizahard

[mighty zenith]

not gonna stop the anti-god guy from grouping them together

[light linden]

he was one originally iirc

[mighty zenith]

its not like he's foreign to doing that

[split mortar]

Thats old lore and was the case iirc

[late veldt]

I know

"ancient times"

I thought he was, still, in fact human back then though

Maybe not in like ancient ancient times though

Iirc that was just a common misconception though

[eager bluff]

its ancient ancient lore

pre-pre-pre-pre rewrite iirc

[late veldt]

like, Yharim vs Yharon times?

[eager bluff]

idk i just know it used to be canon but it was retconned like seven hundred updates ago

[trail sable]

where are the Angler's parents?

[cloud ibex]

unknown

you could go the sad route and guess that they're dead but you could also go the funny route and guess that he ran away because he didn't want to eat broccoli or something

[patent rover]

he probably ran away to fish

[late veldt]

Actually the Angler was a parasite formed inside the Trasher

[sinful adder]

He says he doesn't have parents

So they're probably dead maybe?

[manic coral]

logic dictates that, yeah

but racism inherintly isn't logical

[split mortar]

Fair

[sinful adder]

I wonder why amidias hates the angler more than he hates calamitas

[pliant ruin]

because the devs thought it would be funny to make the fish man hate the person who fishes fish

[split mortar]

One did fish
One is fishing

[sinful adder]

Makes sense

Not remorseful about it

[light linden]

isn't that being changed?

[sinful adder]

It is?

Personally I think the pirate could be a good parent to the angler and eventually get him to a point where he can both like fishing but have some respect for the animals

[pliant ruin]

i mean i'd imagine it is because like

amidias hating some random kid because they like fishing is kinda stupid. i get the idea behind it but. yeah

[light linden]

he's gonna hate scal more

[pliant ruin]

its very uhhh

jarring

[sinful adder]

I see. Yeah that makes sense. I can imagine him hating being around her but still having a tiny bit of sympathy

[pliant ruin]

I'd like if Amidias started disliking her but grew to have some sympathy - Still uncomfortable but, understanding

I think that'd be a good character arc

[late veldt]

what if you use Permafrost housing magic to suddenly make him like scal

[pliant ruin]

but also in regards to him hating angler its so funny to me bc like

1. angler is a literal child. this guy has beef with a 9 year old
2. hes just fishing. amidias is a seahorse person sure but like. thats like if i hated someone for eating cow meat because cows and humans r both mammals

[late veldt]

I wonder what Yharim's given name was

[cloud ibex]

goupert

[late veldt]

I'd want to commit genocide if my parents named me goupert too

[hybrid barn]

You have a point with him being nine years old, but I mean...when it comes to his general attitude toward you and the fish he wants you to catch, I get why Amidias would be annoyed

[spring helm]

i thought it was because he is disrespectful to the fish he catches

"<Name of Angler> the Angler is just a child, but his attitude towards marine life is unacceptable! Absolutely unacceptable!"

[pliant ruin]

i mean being annoyed is one thing

straight up hating the mfer is another

[plucky lichen]

Amidas and his never ending beef with a 9 year old

[late veldt]

I mean it's not like the majority of vanilla npcs like the fella either

[pliant ruin]

the vanilla npcs aren't real characters they're living archetypes and charicatures

[tepid timber]

Used to hate the angler too

I then realized fishing is pretty rad

[split mortar]

Doesnt he actively try to do slavery on you?

[late veldt]

i think he just. calls you a slave

which is a long step from actual slavery

[limpid saddle]

It is very funny when he asks you to help throw him into the sea though

[light linden]

going back to what was being talked about earlier

I genuinely think that the sulphurous sea is habitable

wouldn't be easy but it can 100% happen

like you could live in one of the caverns to avoid the rains

[pliant ruin]

not to mention the acid isn't potent enough to liek

instantly kill you

[gritty kraken]

I like to think he’s like
Sid from toy story

[pliant ruin]

you can even dive on it for a bit

[light linden]

issue though with the radiation uh

it doesn't seem super potent outside of acid rains

[pliant ruin]

the radiation is more of a issue yeah bc prolonged exposure to it would eventually fuck u u p

[light linden]

and even during them as long as nobody kills the aquatic scourge you could likely survive it

[pliant ruin]

so id say that if we were to have a civlization or even population in the sulphur sea they'd probably only come after the radiation had been cleared

[light linden]

even then

[pliant ruin]

aquatic scourge dosen't affect the radiation

[light linden]

most of it could prolly be reduced with lead plating

[pliant ruin]

it just affects the predators

itd be kinda like

living in chernobyl

which needless to say uh

yeah people dont do that

like it wont kill you instantly no

but if you stay there for long enough you will start fucking ur inner workins and genetics up

[plucky lichen]

Yeah prolonged exposure to radiation and youre basically guarenteed cancer

[late veldt]

I mean there's animals there

and it's not like they linger around the radiation

they know to stay away

[magic epoch]

what's that one light ambient thing

[split mortar]

Except some do

Slimes do and nuclear terror does iirc

[late veldt]

I

Uh

Was talking about Chernobyl

[split mortar]

Oh

:stupid_bug:

[pliant ruin]

alot of animals in chernobyl mutate

so yeah they can live there but it's not exactly the best

and of course i dont think

most humans want to Mutate

(read: get Cancer or Worse)

[inland condor]

Got a question for nameless deity , If were talking about Power scaling , where would it scale ?

[split mortar]

iirc its like
5th dimensional?

[dusk laurel]

nameless is nigh omnipotent iirc

[split mortar]

So multiversal or around there

[plucky lichen]

what the hell are these power scaling terms

[dusk laurel]

Brain rot

[plucky lichen]

what is 5th dimensional

[split mortar]

Fiction is weird and so because someone can just make a guy whose ability is “i win no matter what”
Thats often ignored

[inland condor]

Kinda

[dusk laurel]

Omni

I summon you

Monster Hunter

[split mortar]

5 spatial axis
Like 2D games or 3D games its a being who has 2 more directions iirc

Though time can count as one if you destroy the entire spacetime iirc

[plucky lichen]

who needs the strongest character when i can make the sillest character

[split mortar]

True

[magic epoch]

skillets player

[split mortar]

But yeah iirc
Nameless is like 5th dimensional

[dusk laurel]

I need to scoogiest animal

[plucky lichen]

dont put the player in the skillet

that means youre in the skillet

[split mortar]

Also its past midnight for omni so they prob asleep

[dusk laurel]

I know

He's fixing his sleep schedule

[late veldt]

I like the implication that the Player and You are connected together like some sort of digital voodoo doll

[inland condor]

Ight ty

[plucky lichen]

exactly

[split mortar]

the TERRARIAN is YOU

[plucky lichen]

i could see it coming from a mile away

terrarian is a highschool junior failing half their classes

cant believe it

[split mortar]

YOU will beat up a homeless orphan arsonist in a 1v1 in under a decade

[dusk laurel]

Why are so many people in red associated with orphans or are themselves

[split mortar]

Elaborate

[late veldt]

because uhhhh. evil

[dusk laurel]

Calamitas

the red mist

the red gaze

[split mortar]

Technoblade was aswell i think

[dusk laurel]

[plucky lichen]

cant believe this, shits better than actually graduating

[split mortar]

Lmao

[plucky lichen]

speaking of, is like a decade the maximum time it could take for the terrarian to complete their journey before yharim croaks of old age or just something you made up?

[dusk laurel]

Peak... #calamity-update-talk message

[split mortar]

Yeah
Yharon will rebirth in a decade and yharim will die before he rebirths

[split mortar]

Truly

[pliant ruin]

scourges being offshoots would be not ideal

i think atp ur just making like every reptile ever a offshoot and thts weird... also completely removes the cool evolutionary aspect of scourges which is one of the reason i even like them so much

[split mortar]

Yeah keep the dragons away from them

[late veldt]

hell happens if you try to use a god's soul to ascend

[pliant ruin]

u cant bc god souls r rly unstable and immediately dissipate into divine essence or smth

[plucky lichen]

good to know

[split mortar]

You cant
A gods soul explodes
Which is what their essence is

[pliant ruin]

u could only do it with either silva's or xeroc's bc they both have like perfected divine souls due ot the way they ascended

iirc

but gl killing either of them

[plucky lichen]

silva literally cant fully die right

unless you burned like

[split mortar]

Dont think we know if that increases stability

And good luck absorbing silva when the requirement is for everything to be dead, including you

[plucky lichen]

all living things ever

[split mortar]

All life and all nature on the planet has to go kaboom

[plucky lichen]

so awesome

[pliant ruin]

wasnt it mentioned once their soul wasn't like. merged so they more or less have two souls or smth and thats why they retain the og domain or am i going insane

[split mortar]

You may be correct but i never heard of that

Oh and ecumena (rebs god oc in the rp) has a normal and auric soul yet isnt a perfect ascension or normal ascension iirc so idk

May have outdated or not been conclusively thought upon by them all

[dusk laurel]

Why the excessive use of spaces smh smh

[split mortar]

Because

Fuck

You

[late veldt]

if that's the case then how many souls in one guy causes instability

[dusk laurel]

Seals you into the eel pit

[split mortar]

Prove it

Post the gif

[dusk laurel]

[split mortar]

Go on

[dusk laurel]

Who's guf

[split mortar]

Send me therep

[split mortar]

Idk what you are on about

[pliant ruin]

its a oc for a roleplay why r u using that as a source

💔

[dusk laurel]

☝️

[split mortar]

Fair

-# its late i brain not work

[pliant ruin]

idk tbh but i know that the reason that divine souls r unstable is bc theyre like

[dusk laurel]

I could tell

[pliant ruin]

fully merged with the auric soul

its basically the og soul + the auric soul mixed into a goop

[late veldt]

what if you tried to ascend with just a regular soul. would you just imbue with the other guy

[pliant ruin]

its why the domain changes

[pliant ruin]

dissociative personality disorder achieved

[plucky lichen]

theres a roleplay?

[split mortar]

Prob just
Mental fuckery

[dusk laurel]

Hm

[split mortar]

Maybe a little power boost

[late veldt]

so what the hell happens if you just get it via regular means

does the soul fully split or is it like

fragments

that could be a neat story actually

relationship between two different aged people, one chooses to absorb the other

idk

[split mortar]

sscls moment

[pliant ruin]

jokes aside i dont think it'd be a DID moment because well

in the case of gods per example

its not like they have the dragon living in their head its more so parts of the dragons personality fuses with their own

so you'd probably just like

get traits of the personality of the person you absorbed

thats it ig

[hybrid barn]

The accursed ebbreviation...

[pliant ruin]

which actually makes me wonder what would happen if someone with DID absorbed a soul would like all of the people in the system have their personality changed or only the one that absorbed the soul specifically

it could go both ways id say depending on the specifics of how the soul absorption works

and how the rules of . souls. work in calamity

i love being self indulgent

[plucky lichen]

thats awesome i love roleplays

[late veldt]

yeahhh

[late veldt]

Does ascension change personality?

[pliant ruin]

a bit yeah

[split mortar]

Yeah but if you absorb 1 auric soul its like 95% you
Not much changes

[pliant ruin]

95% seems to be a bit

of a exageration

id asy more like

70%

personally

like

slime god got gluttonous

[split mortar]

NOW 2 AURIC?
Lmao prob a different person entirely

[limpid saddle]

Well presumably the Swordmaiden didnt want to kill literally everyone before she became Providence

[split mortar]

They say about the god who doesnt glutton

[pliant ruin]

melon

sliem god

[wheat walrus]

e

[pliant ruin]

is literally stated to fight against its own gluttony

it is gluttonous

its just going against its nature

[late veldt]

I would think that was moreso just, like, how having that newfound power changed someone

[pliant ruin]

i think

absorbing the soul alone would not be enough to make her go to that path but

it definitely mightve influenced/intensified it

[late veldt]

Like Providence realizes she can take revenge on those who have wronged her while Xeroc, gaining immense power, realized their importance in protecting Terraria

y'know

[light linden]

I still wonder what would happen if someone perfectly absorbs 2 souls

[pliant ruin]

xeroc had a perfect ascencion

[split mortar]

-# maybe this is just a different way if viewing it but the fact ut doesnt endlessly consume and fill that desire is why i dont see it as gluttonous

[pliant ruin]

so theoretically their personality is intact? iirc?

[pliant ruin]

its

explicitly stated to be

its like seeing a rly nice cake but not eating it bc its not urs

that dosent mean ur not hungry or dont want to eat the cake

[wheat walrus]

alr so, in-universe, Nameless Deity would be nigh-omnipotent (omnipotent but there's a bunch of limitations basically); but that's not how scaling works so we need to determine the cosmology Nameless Deity is dealing with, and I didn't do the scaling stuff proper but I remember, in silly powerscaling terms that people loathe, 5D (Low Complex Multiverse Level) being it

[dusk laurel]

Despite being a Gluttonous slime, the Slime God forbids itself from growing out of control to maintain the balance of the world.

[pliant ruin]

its gluttonous, it just dosent act on its gluttony

[inland condor]

Oke ty

[light linden]

you

[dusk laurel]

[late veldt]

Me?

[split mortar]

You have been picked i think

[wheat walrus]

secret society moment...

[light linden]

you have been chosen

[dusk laurel]

How loreful

[high lynx]

Congratulations

[limpid saddle]

I should probably go there more

Anyway uh

[split mortar]

Lmao

[late veldt]

or another idea, someone realizes that they can gain power by slaying powerful figures and absorbing their souls, and slowly polterghasts themselves in their quest for power

[high lynx]

You are one of us soon

[limpid saddle]

Welcome to the Syndicate

[split mortar]

Will you accept?

[late veldt]

Uh yeah sure I accept

[pliant ruin]

oil

[wheat walrus]

melon do realize that now first-time dms don't give you a notif

so you have to tell people to check dms to accept them

[split mortar]

Im aware

[dusk laurel]

🛢️

[late veldt]

I thought you were offering me to absorb a soul and ascend and be your god king or something

[split mortar]

Nope
Join us

[pliant ruin]

offers you oil

[late veldt]

Alrighty neato

[dusk laurel]

Now we wait for the 2nd

[split mortar]

@plucky lichen ?

[dusk laurel]

Abrupt but okay

[tacit wren]

Oil!!

[inland condor]

And what would the calamity Terrarian scale on (If possible including wotg and infernum)

[wheat walrus]

e

[split mortar]

Well in wotg nameless is testing you iirc so i dont think nameless pushes it any higher

Infernum is old lore so its instantly fucking cracked

I think

[wheat walrus]

including wotg and infernum, prolly similarly to Nameless Deity as we fight it but not higher/equal to it, so at most 5D as well

[wheat walrus]

old lore isn't cracked it's odd and inconsistent with powerscaling

[brave birch]

Are Statis and Braelor still in the lore, or have they been removed?

[split mortar]

Theyre still there

Hell, theyre boyfriends now and have more characterisation iirc

[brave birch]

Anything else that makes them different from the old lore?

[split mortar]

They are alive

[wheat walrus]

on one hand, Yharim's table fist that breaks its arm and causes a powerful earthquake is considered an incredibly strong feat, on the other hand, Astrum Deus eating actual real life large stars instead of fallen mana stars is a casual thing, on another hand you have Providence gathering energy in the sun's core to scorch the planet be a much more important thing than Astrum Deus eating stars like the sun or more like they're whatever

so it's all over the place

but iirc it doesn't reach 5D either

[split mortar]

Statis is outside the distortion and braelor is inside

Braelor is the champion of the goddess of life silva

Statis is the last onyxkinsman and worships slimegod

[brave birch]

Any changes with Daedalus?

[split mortar]

Not canon anymore

[plucky lichen]

HUH

[split mortar]

You have been picked

[high lynx]

Congrats

[plucky lichen]

whoops caps

[split mortar]

Accept it

[plucky lichen]

for what

i leave for

a few mintues

i accept it

dunno what it is

but sure

[split mortar]

Dms

[plucky lichen]

oh ok

[brave birch]

Do you think Silva ever felt guilt over becoming a god?
Could that be why she created the Dragonfollies?
To atone for the sins of the other gods?

[split mortar]

She never created the follies?

Also yeah she could feel guilty for absorbing the life dragons soul but not confirmed

[brave birch]

Maybe that’s why Braelor serves her. Because she isn’t as evil as the other gods, even though Yharim believes all gods are evil.

[split mortar]

Yeah maybe
We will prob learn more when braelor gets added in 38 fargo years

[sinful adder]

Silva didn't create the dragonfollies

[split mortar]

Dragonfollies are the result of a auric dragon having children

[sinful adder]

The most likely explanation for Silva's power and domain is that the dragon of life gave up her soul willingly

[brave birch]

Then how are the Dragonfollies connected to Silva, unless that’s not the case?

[sinful adder]

They aren't

Except for being part of nature

[split mortar]

Silva armour is weird and old

Unless theyre seen as the apex of nature or something i think the connection is outdated if there ever was one

[light linden]

it's also being changed iirc

[dusk laurel]

Silva armor will likely not use effulgent feathers in the future

with the rework/redesign

[sinful adder]

If those aren't going to be Silva related, would it make sense for them to be removed

[spare pier]

Yeah

[sinful adder]

Because they don't do a lot else

[pliant ruin]

Gods aren't really evil as a collective

some gods r evil, some gods r good

yharim is just very morally black and white and kinda stupid

ur a god, so ur evil, nuh uh not hearing ur reasoning for why ur actually benevolent and have significantly improved the life of several ppl ur going in the chopping block

[brave birch]

@sinful adder I am honestly getting annoyed by all the stuff that they’ve removed.

[pliant ruin]

What stuff?

..Daedalus and that's kind of it?

[dusk laurel]

Wait what was this affirming btw

which message

[sleek halo]

Yharim could’ve been a really cool philosopher

[pliant ruin]

I mean i suppose it depends on what version of the lore ur talking about

[sleek halo]

instead we got a genocidal warmonger

[pliant ruin]

if we go all the way back to the ancient roots of calamity we have like

mirage mallah.... antenizer...

[brave birch]

Somewhat, as well as some of the weapons. The bloody edge, the Exo Gladius, some of the recipes actually having more components needed which would make the rewards more worth it.

[pliant ruin]

They're doing that bc the mod is bloated with items

more =/ better

[dusk laurel]

Item/recipe bloat

[sleek halo]

Like I mean

imagine how much debate could happen about the gods being inherent sinners

could’ve happened

we got the L tier outcome

[brave birch]

He only believes gods are sinners because they are created from killing dragons

[sleek halo]

correct

[pliant ruin]

he has a very black and white view of things

some dragons were bad guys, some dragons willingly gave up their souls, some gods could've maybe, even if they did kill a dragon, had a rly good motive to do so...

[sleek halo]

I mean tbf

the last one is like

“No but I had a really good reason to kill this guy”

[pliant ruin]

i mean yeah

[brave birch]

The devourer then turned this view of his into arrogance, until Yharim became the one thing he hated most, a tyrant.

[pliant ruin]

that could lead to a morally gray scenario

[sleek halo]

Imo DoG didn’t do shit to influence Yharim

simply because DoG

is fucking terrible at lying

[pliant ruin]

DoG sucks at lying yeah

[sleek halo]

at worst he could’ve given ideas that are inherently horrible but

would work

and Yharim would be like

“Yk that doesn’t sound like a bad idea….”

[pliant ruin]

If anything its more so a mix of Yharim using DoG as a scapegoat and yharim knowing that DoG has ulterior motives and thus regretting letting him join him in the first place

[sleek halo]

Also Yharim not wanting to fuck with

whatever is in the distortion

at all

[brave birch]

And Draedon is only in it because he wants to research.

[sleek halo]

Yeah

I mean Yharim’s proposal was

great

“I’ll give u damn near infinite resources and protection in return u make weapons for me!”

[pliant ruin]

like you could have an actual moral dillema

with this

rather than just

"x guy is evil"

[sleek halo]

Yeah