lore-discussion

[dusk laurel]

Uh

we don't know

[limpid saddle]

She can't steal sunlight

[dusk laurel]

her lore is getting modified so we have to wait

[limpid saddle]

She basically just manipulates it

[patent rover]

pretty sure that's just yharim's description of what she does

[stoic gulch]

Ye

[dusk laurel]

since the current yhar whisper is actual slop

[patent rover]

and yharim isn't known to have the best opinions on utilizing power

[stoic gulch]

The lore items is from Yhorms perspective

I think?

[patent rover]

yhorm

[stoic gulch]

Yes

Yhorm the yharim worm

[dusk laurel]

They are literally from Yharim yes

[limpid saddle]

It's not even like a log or anything he just yaps at you after you kill something

[dusk laurel]

I can't wait for the items to be revamped

[limpid saddle]

The lore items?

[dusk laurel]

Ya

[limpid saddle]

They are??

sheesh

what isnt being reworked

why are they even re-writing the lore items

[dusk laurel]

They aren't rewritting the lore

The items are getting changed

[random mulch]

lore items might get replaced by a piece of rock

[limpid saddle]

sending stone-ahh

is he gonna send in bees to give them to you

[random mulch]

no but you can listen to him yap from it

[split mortar]

THE YHROCK

[random mulch]

also it'll probably be an item that becomes a piece of ui like the chalice of alignment from MoR

[split mortar]

Sunlight but its greatly magical

[twilit heron]

Wait I just realized something didn’t the team confirm that the power scaling for calamity only goes to planetary destruction? I’m pretty sure I heard that somewhere

[stoic gulch]

Continental I think?

[twilit heron]

Cause if that’s true that directly conflicts with Astrum Deus, a being that swallows dying stars and creates new stars with their energy

[dusk laurel]

Stars are not the same in Calamity

[patent rover]

have you seen fallen stars

those things are tiney

[dusk laurel]

They are small balls of mana

[patent rover]

hehe

[twilit heron]

shut

[twilit heron]

A) I thought that was just what we called them, I mean empress of light isn’t actually a light god

[dusk laurel]

Nothing is confirmed, but high-continental is the highest according to the public powerscaler here iirc

[twilit heron]

Unless I’m misremembering

[twilit heron]

B) the sun is gonna be pissed it just got heavily demoted

[wheat walrus]

[dusk laurel]

The sun is also different

[wheat walrus]

I have 2 interpretations of calamity scaling

[twilit heron]

Wait so in calamity the sun isn’t a star?

[dusk laurel]

Nope

[limpid saddle]

Nope

[dusk laurel]

The sun is an object that produces primordial light that orbits the planet

[limpid saddle]

It's a massive ball of primordial light, or something

[wheat walrus]

main interpretation that devs seem to agree with

[limpid saddle]

Oh omni's got a new pfp

[twilit heron]

My interpretation is the “only going as high as continental” was a decision made to spite power scalers, but might make lore harder later on

That’s my genuine opinion lol

[wheat walrus]

quick thing using tooltips and taking them not as some dubious canon rumor

[limpid saddle]

uh im pretty sure it's just meant to be a low-powered setting

[dusk laurel]

High powerscaling is just uninteresting

[limpid saddle]

& even then

[twilit heron]

No, it’s only uninteresting when everything is high power

[limpid saddle]

eating a dead star doesnt really seem like a very great power-scaling thing

[twilit heron]

If you actually have a scale, it can be done well

[limpid saddle]

if the entire species is meant to & purely sustains on eating dead stars

[twilit heron]

I was thinking scientifically

Cause irl, a dead star is a bit of an oxymoron

Or dying star

[limpid saddle]

yeah but this is Calamity

where stars do die

like alot

[twilit heron]

Cause a dying star is a star that’s becoming so unstable with energy that it’s about to blow up

[wheat walrus]

the thought process writers had is that since the setting is mostly contained within 1 planet, that if all the strong characters capable of destroying planets at a certain point it'd be disappointing if they don't actually do it, especially when you have several characters who would benefit from that

this is where Attack Potency =/= Destructive Capacity comes from, but if you are able to keep the 2 consistent to each other then you did a good job I'd say, Terraria's bulk of scaling usually comes from tooltip so yk

[twilit heron]

Danke

[twilit heron]

And Deus just nom’s them, but again I’ve been informed calamity stars work differently

[wheat walrus]

eating a real life star is default to star level, what V1 said is right about dying stars, but calamity deals with tiny mana stars that at most get as big as the bloated chunk of dead infected star that Astrum Deus throws at us "Astral Meteor", but normally would be the size of the fallen stars you pick up

[limpid saddle]

Plus there's an entire species of deus flying around eating stars

[wheat walrus]

them being a species isn't confirmed, but Draedon suggests this in Draetalk last I checked

[dusk laurel]

Ye

[limpid saddle]

Yeah

He believes the Deus we fight to potentially be a juvenile

[twilit heron]

Is it canon that Moon Lord is the only one of his kind?

[dusk laurel]

We don't know

[twilit heron]

That’s not terrifying at all

[wheat walrus]

stars the size of the astral meteor, Draedon refers to as "large stars", and he suggests that the reason the Astrum Deus we fight accidentally nommed on a dead infected one is because it was a juvenile

[limpid saddle]

Fovos is just some asshole right now we dont know shit about him

[wheat walrus]

moonlord/fovos is a huge mystery

but it will be revealed to an extent in time

next major update, Sunken Sea Overhaul, whenever it comes

also includes vanilla bestiary update

which will give calamity lore abt moonlord iirc

[limpid saddle]

Isn't Sunken Sea Overhaul Part 2?

[dusk laurel]

No

Part 1

[wheat walrus]

qwha

[twilit heron]

I’m curious, who would win, Fovos or Xeroc? Because the only thing we’ve fought so far that might be able to reach Xeroc’s power level is Calamitas and that’s an if

[limpid saddle]

[dusk laurel]

Bestiary update is in p1

Since it's already in the changelogs

[twilit heron]

That’s a fight I’d pay good money to see

[limpid saddle]

Full power Fovos or lobotomized 3000 years sealed Fovos?

[twilit heron]

Full power

[late veldt]

I think Xeroc wins either way

[long sand]

who would draedon main in marvel rivals canonically

[twilit heron]

Iron Man obviously

[long sand]

yharim seems like a cloak and dagger main ngl

[patent rover]

I'm not too sure tbh, xeroc got their powers from the guy who got beat up by fovos right

[limpid saddle]

who's the most individualistic independant character that doesnt rely as much on the teamwork aspect

[wheat walrus]

canonically, we know little about the 2 other than prime moonlord and xeroc both being busted as fuck

by dev word, they kept it consistent that xeroc is meant to be the strongest, moonlord (prime) and noxus (not wotg noxus) being second/third (unclear who's strongest between the 2, but it's implied to be fovos at least more recently)

[long sand]

okay so like is he a weird iron man or someones whos competent

[long sand]

any dive

[dusk laurel]

Not exactly

[twilit heron]

Actually this raised another question that might already be answered but I don’t know it, is Xeroc more powerful than the dragon he stole the auric core from? I forgot the name lol

[dusk laurel]

Zeratros did not beat ML on his own

[long sand]

fovos dropped a smackdown on all dragons equally

[dusk laurel]

It was a team effort

[patent rover]

well no draedon would simply main the objectively best character, right

[twilit heron]

No they didn’t beat moon lord at all, they locked him away

[late veldt]

yes

[halcyon raft]

who da hell is braelor?

[long sand]

some dude

[halcyon raft]

i see him and statis mentioned but no clue on their backstory

[dusk laurel]

That's still beating it

[long sand]

i think he'll be a boss eventually?

[spring helm]

Xeroc is by far the strongest dude in Calamity history

[dusk laurel]

Nope

[spring helm]

And it’s not even close

[wheat walrus]

before ascending, Xeroc was likely weaker but not too much compared to Zeratros, when ascending, Xeroc became way stronger

[dusk laurel]

Braelor is a lore character

[long sand]

calamity powerscaling cooked xeroc

made bro continental 😭

[dusk laurel]

Who will eventually be an npc

[spring helm]

Except the grandma I guess

[deft vessel]

In 10 fargo years

[halcyon raft]

anyone?

[twilit heron]

Yeah tbh if anyone had planetary destruction capabilities I think it would be Xeroc and maybe Fovos

[dusk laurel]

I just said it

[limpid saddle]

Brealor's a gay paladin of Silva he kisses Statis

[long sand]

do we know who the next new boss is after 18541481410941380418 reworks

[halcyon raft]

ik ik but

[dusk laurel]

Braelor is the champion of Silva

[halcyon raft]

who he be in the grand scheme of things

[spring helm]

Braelor and Statis jumped Yharim after the Crusade

[dusk laurel]

Lover of Statis

[halcyon raft]

awwwww that's so sweet

[dusk laurel]

Stuck in the Distortion

[spring helm]

And then they both got sent to the Distortion

[limpid saddle]

Statis is a ninja guy from that village & religious order that follows the Slime God for it's whole 'balance' thing it's got going on

[dusk laurel]

etc.

[wheat walrus]

Xeroc, Fovos and Noxus are all most definitely capable of being world-ending threats, just not in the blows up planet immediately type way

[halcyon raft]

damn he really left his lover in the distortion

shit tragic

[long sand]

i want some way to fight full power fovos as like another optional superboss alongside xeroc

[halcyon raft]

also how do i tell draedon that apollo and artemis are genuinely shit because i think it'll break his heart

he seems so proud of them

and it's like they miss 99% of the time

[twilit heron]

Ngl I’m trying to learn as much as I can about calamity lore so I can start to write a certain script of mine lol

Based on an oc

[limpid saddle]

have you considered that you are dodging them

& are literally the most agile mf in the universe

[wheat walrus]

well the pinned lore document has a lot of stuff

you may have already seen it but js in case

[twilit heron]

Thanks

Tho I do know I will be changing some things

Because it’s my story I can do what I want

[wheat walrus]

fair

the terrarian is you

[twilit heron]

Not changing more like adding

[wheat walrus]

(im about to explode i said this unironically wtf)

[stoic gulch]

Oh

You can post it here I think?

[twilit heron]

Well the protagonist isn’t just any terrarian

[halcyon raft]

yeah but he created them to be used against me (since he observed my battles)

[wheat walrus]

they're your terrarian

you 🫵

[limpid saddle]

Uh no he made the Exo Mechs for funsies

[halcyon raft]

for example, thanatos's lasers are kind of hard to dodge

[twilit heron]

No they’re literally higher than a god

[long sand]

you tell him this then infernum exos happen

[wheat walrus]

yep, that's your terrarian!!!

[patent rover]

not at the beginning of the game

[halcyon raft]

didn't he say he was observing me and planning stuff

[stoic gulch]

Yeah so terrarian

[halcyon raft]

i'm not touching infernum ever

[stoic gulch]

Cuz the terrarians lore is up to you

[wheat walrus]

and my terrarian

[limpid saddle]

Yes, but he didnt make anything to kill you

[wheat walrus]

idk

[long sand]

the terrarrian has a generational run

[halcyon raft]

ah i see

[limpid saddle]

He sent the Exo Mechs as a test run for their effectiveness

[twilit heron]

I’m also tying Silva into it a lot (change my mind Silva got screwed over in terms of lore, she got the vanny treatment)

[long sand]

since its all done in a single life

[stoic gulch]

My terrarian is a fucked up skeleton who didn’t get chocolate milk

[long sand]

hardcore is the canon calamity expierence btw

[halcyon raft]

fair enough

[limpid saddle]

As they never actually got to fight anything cause they were made post Crusades

[patent rover]

my terrarian is only slaying gods to increase her fishing power

[stoic gulch]

So true

[limpid saddle]

Dreadon just likes making warcrime machines

[stoic gulch]

My other terrarian is just a guy who want to pet everyone but is too strong so kills it instead

[wheat walrus]

jokes aside "the terrarian is you" is a sort of meme thing about how the terrarian's lore is up to you, due to how this is a sandbox game and you make the character, so you make their lore too (some things can't really be changed up because of how the game is, so there's game limitations but lore goes beyond that)

[twilit heron]

Which is why in my story (and also in my headcanon for the game), Silva is actually higher than a god, she’s what I call a celestial, she’s not the god of life, she is life, if that makes sense

[wheat walrus]

it started unironically

but due to how many people asked about terrarian lore

it became a meme

that got reposted very often so moderators got mad and removed image/embed perms cause they're stinkers 💔

[long sand]

mine is a pretty pink lunatic where she stumbles upon gods while high and ends up flawlessly beating them 💔 (they need to get good)

[halcyon raft]

honestly i love that

my terrarian is the former king of azafure

[wheat walrus]

it's cool ye

[twilit heron]

And the Devourer is also a Celestial, he’s kinda like the inverse of Silva, kinda like the embodiment of death

[late veldt]

except your character is bad at naming things

[long sand]

It's Canon too

[twilit heron]

I think Draedon is bad at having a sense of taste

[long sand]

Draedon roasts you for calling prime skeletron prime

[patent rover]

yo

[wheat walrus]

yea fuck you dardon

[limpid saddle]

devourer does not deserve any such status he's a fucking bum

[stoic gulch]

😧

[twilit heron]

How else does he have the power to destroy the essence of a god

[patent rover]

imagine a sandbox game where every time you encounter a new item/enemy, you have to name it yourself

[late veldt]

devourer would wear a wife beater and jeans and drink beer on the couch watching tv

[patent rover]

that would go hard actually

[limpid saddle]

He doesnt destroy it he sends it into the Distortion for Noxus to use somehow

[wheat walrus]

besides idk

"bad at naming things" is a misconception, it's just Draedon not liking the names "you" gave them

you can still view skeletron prime as not a bad name

[limpid saddle]

Dreadon's a pretty smart guy i'd say he knows what good & bad names are

[wheat walrus]

Draedon is completely inhuman after all so no shot he's gonna have different takes

[wheat walrus]

bro

good n bad names are subjective

except giuseppe

😭

[twilit heron]

But yeah ig if we’re doing the “the terrarian is you” thing, my terrarian is a vessel for Silva (best example I can think of is how Moon Knight in marvel is a vessel for Khonsu, the moon god), who’s trying to restore what’s left of the world

[limpid saddle]

'what's left' what?

the world is fine

[dusk laurel]

Skeletron Prime is a bad name like how Skeletron Prime is a bad design, it's opinionated

[twilit heron]

Ex-squeeze me

What

[limpid saddle]

except for the world evils & dead gods but you know

is what it is

[late veldt]

I would not call the world fine

[limpid saddle]

Otherwise everythings business as usual

[dusk laurel]

The world can recover

[late veldt]

considering civilization is crippled even outside the heartlands

[dusk laurel]

Not as much

[limpid saddle]

????

[late veldt]

hotel Mario voice and YOU gotta help us

[dusk laurel]

The heartlands is just a particularly bad place

[limpid saddle]

There are a couple toppled civilizations in Terraria (exactly 2) but thats not

thats not really alot

[mighty zenith]

that we know of*

[limpid saddle]

that just kinda happens when war-crimes go down

[dusk laurel]

There is a lot of civilization outside of the continent

[limpid saddle]

yeah

[mighty zenith]

we know about those because we explore them

[dusk laurel]

^

[twilit heron]

Oh yeah this isn’t in the game at all but in my personal story line he wields a weapon called the Final Fracture, which is literally forged from a fracture in reality, basically letting it defy reality itself. Idk cool bit of lore that I’m proud of

[limpid saddle]

No, i'm not gonna do it

uh

anyway

[twilit heron]

Do what

[limpid saddle]

Yeah world is fine

Zombies? Yeah they happen
Blood moons? Business as usual

[twilit heron]

Sulphuric Seas?

Azafure?

The Jungle?

[limpid saddle]

That only happened because Dreadon kept dumping waste in an already a little bit fucked ocean

[limpid saddle]

Collapsed like a hundred years ago that kinda happens to civilizations

[late veldt]

I believe one of the writers stated that the world wasn't in the best condition after the crusade (though obviously the heartlands got by far the worst of it)

earlier

but I could be wronge

[dusk laurel]

Yes

[late veldt]

that's not what happened at all

[limpid saddle]

Azafure wasn't like the supreme reigning society

[twilit heron]

Okay so this was my interpretation so it might’ve been wrong but didn’t Yharim’s shenanigans awaken the Brimstone Elemental?

[dusk laurel]

Nope

[late veldt]

Calamitas burnt it down like 30 years ago

[limpid saddle]

It's death didnt doom anyone other than all the people that died

[late veldt]

and the elemental

[dusk laurel]

We know nothing about Brimmy

[hoary berry]

we don't know for sure what caused brimmy to awaken

[dusk laurel]

Not yet at least

[hoary berry]

crags overhaul... 😋 lore

[limpid saddle]

it is what it is

[twilit heron]

Dude real we need one

[dusk laurel]

Guess what

[limpid saddle]

You'll have it

In uh

10 years

[dusk laurel]

100 fargo seconds

[hoary berry]

crags overhaul in 3

[late veldt]

it'll happen eventually™

[magic epoch]

iwdont think she's even 30 bro

[dusk laurel]

She's in her late 20s

Like 28

[limpid saddle]

burnt it down like 14 years ago then?

[magic epoch]

i know the "like 30" but ijust like being evil

there's no harm meant

[halcyon raft]

did yharim fail to execute the gods we encounter? like providence? i mean, she should be dead by all means

[limpid saddle]

He just didn't fight her

[halcyon raft]

huh

interesting

[magic epoch]

same with slime god

but that's more obvious

[halcyon raft]

yeah cuz he a wuss

[limpid saddle]

Well it seemed like he tried to fight them

Slime God just kept running away

& was very good at it

[dusk laurel]

Providence ran away

She basically only ambushed him

[late veldt]

no she burnt it down when she was like. a child child

[magic epoch]

pokemon abilities wimpod vs gollisopod

[limpid saddle]

ok 18

done deal

[dusk laurel]

No

[magic epoch]

wimp out vs emergency exit

[dusk laurel]

She was like 10

[limpid saddle]

yeah

& if shes 28

[magic epoch]

that is 18 years ago

[limpid saddle]

then 18 years ago

[atomic haven]

ngl I really don't like the shortening of the timeline

[dusk laurel]

Summon Cei

[dusk laurel]

Elaborate

[limpid saddle]

You dont like anything about new lore apparently

[atomic haven]

it feels better when all this happened centuries ago and everything we see and fight are remnants and people kept alive by internal power

or at least decades

but not like 20 years ago

[limpid saddle]

20 years ago is decades

[dusk laurel]

Not everything happened 20 years ago

[halcyon raft]

i think it makes the world more lived in honestly

[dusk laurel]

There's still plenty of shit that was centuries ago

Millenia even

[halcyon raft]

gives it some ✨ personality✨

[dusk laurel]

Calamity doesn't shorten the timeline

[atomic haven]

is 20 years even enough for the ocean to turn into a literal desert

[dusk laurel]

It just fleshes it out more

[dusk laurel]

Wrong

[atomic haven]

I asked

[limpid saddle]

The ocean was already below the desert

[dusk laurel]

It was incinerated

[atomic haven]

you can't say "wrong" to a question

[limpid saddle]

It just got scorched & now there's less ocean & more desert

[dusk laurel]

Calamitas was used by Yharim in an effort to incinerate the upper Ilmeran sea

This wasn't a natural thing

[atomic haven]

eh we'll see. It's not like any of this "new lore" is actually in the game anywhere so my headcanon is correct, to me

[dusk laurel]

And yeah the desert already existed beforehand

[magic epoch]

what

[dusk laurel]

?

[random mulch]

did you forget about the lore items?

[magic epoch]

using this is everything in-game canon

[limpid saddle]

puts on thinking cap "erm everything is wrong actually because i gaslit myself into thinking it was"

[atomic haven]

bro it's not that deep

[dusk laurel]

Also the next updates are literally dedicated to the sunken sea

I don't know what you mean by this

[atomic haven]

you know what I like about the new lore? That Yharim is responsible for way more evil stuff now

[random mulch]

next update will literally include an entire layer dedicated to the incineration's aftermath

[atomic haven]

like directly

[halcyon raft]

i didn't even know there was old lore

[atomic haven]

What I meant by this is that the lore from the new doc is very expansive, while the lore conveyed ingame is vague and omits a lot of the document's contents

[random mulch]

old lore was an edgy mess

[limpid saddle]

yeah it was a time

[atomic haven]

old lore was terrible

new lore is way better

[dusk laurel]

All of the lore in the doc is also ingame

[limpid saddle]

No the lore document extrapolates information eintierly from in-game sources

[atomic haven]

okay, where

[dusk laurel]

Except for small dev comments

[dusk laurel]

Yharim whispers

Item tooltips

[limpid saddle]

Nothing in the document is from dev stuff unless it says so

[dusk laurel]

Bestiary

[hoary berry]

draetalk

[random mulch]

the sea remains set has descriptions talking about the ilmerians and even part of the incineration

[limpid saddle]

Yeah the Codebreaker was a really great lore source

[atomic haven]

okay but how about the timeline

[dusk laurel]

That will slowly be added

[random mulch]

draetalk

[atomic haven]

is any of that stuff directly stated

[hoary berry]

the only concrete dates we have are from draedon rn

[limpid saddle]

Yup

Also in the codebreaker

[dusk laurel]

More dates will be added as the mod updates

[random mulch]

draedon says he woke up on "11.19.1226, well over six centuries ago."

[atomic haven]

I see I see, last time I talked to draedon was like 3 years ago

[limpid saddle]

While no time periods are directly mentioned, Yharim also constantly alludes to how long the Crusades were & when events of them happened

[atomic haven]

okay so it's not all 20 years ago

[dusk laurel]

Sob

[terse lintel]

I think that the base game as a frame work is one that is hard to bake lore into effectively without things like the code breaker which also includes a gameplay element

[random mulch]

draedon's just old as shit

[dusk laurel]

We already said that

[atomic haven]

did he just dick around for 580 years and then join Yharim who did everything in 2 years and then disappeared

[dusk laurel]

The crusade was a century long

Not 20

[limpid saddle]

No the Crusades & Yharim's life & times was about 120 or so years

[halcyon raft]

crusade lasted very long, and he did not "dick around"

he built technology to rival gods

[atomic haven]

okay wait someone in here just now said azafure happened like 20 years ago

[limpid saddle]

Yeah

It happenee near the end of the crusades

[atomic haven]

and ilmeris too

[dusk laurel]

Azafure and Ilmeris were both less than 20 years ago

But there are so many other events that were so much earlier

[atomic haven]

I see okay

[limpid saddle]

Calamitas only awoken as the Brimstone Witch & joined Yharim's forces like way late into the game

[random mulch]

those 2 werent the events that kicked off the crusade

[atomic haven]

I need to look at the lore doc again I swear I remember the crusade starting with azafure

[limpid saddle]

No????

It started with Yharim being melted in lava with Yharon's egg

[atomic haven]

Yeah obviously I was incorrect, that's what I just said

[dusk laurel]

Partially, but the incineration of Azafure did not

[dusk laurel]

Yharim didn't start going after gods yet

He was still planning and rallying people at that stage

[limpid saddle]

I'd say the planning counts

Given how short the period actually was

[mighty zenith]

i would say the crusade started with yharon's traumadumping

since that's what especially encouraged yharim to get to work

[limpid saddle]

So yeah

When they both got thrown in lava

[dusk laurel]

Yharim hearing Yharon yharping when they get thrown in

Priorities

[limpid saddle]

"yo fucked up how those cultists tried to melt us right? mind if i traumadump about the genocide of my species"

[random mulch]

"i might be getting condemned to incineration, but the egg is talking so i'm kinda busy"

hol up i got a brilliant idea

[atomic haven]

Actually, question

which god did the lizards worship

Some ancient deity of the sun, probably, based on how their tablets directly eclipse it using the moon

like a sort of "screw you" to their former patron deity

[limpid saddle]

why would it be a screw you if they were so desperate to have their god back they made The Golem as a mechanical fauxsimille of what they had lost

[atomic haven]

in that case, maybe the moon?

The eclipse imagery of the moon defeating the sun seems important

[limpid saddle]

It is base-game Terraria

That's not like something Calamity added

[atomic haven]

and? The mod assimilates gameplay mechanics constantly

blood moons for example

slimes being super adaptable

etc

[limpid saddle]

My point is that maybe you're reading a little too much in the wrong direction

[atomic haven]

and what would be the right direction? Just ignoring the symbolism?

[spare pier]

I think this is just a wrong way of analyzing stuff. Supernova is obviously taking a hyperbole to its limits, but Atom Splitter being analyzed as "having enough energy to literally do this" is just wrong, that's just its ability. D4C doesn't output enough energy to drag things from other timelines, it just does it

[spare pier]

Also thank you

[limpid saddle]

This imagery isn't something created by Calamity it's something that is (potentially) willing to elaborate on the imagery

[wheat walrus]

no shot?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!??!?!?!?

is that not what I said

(besides if I took the hyperbole to its limits it'd be outer)

[spare pier]

I know, just wanted to give my own input on it

[wheat walrus]

:p

[wheat walrus]

💥

[atomic haven]

I still don't see why it's "the wrong direction" to wonder about clear symbolism and its relevance to a body of lore which has, in the past, assimilated other such symbolism

[eager bluff]

@spare pier 💥

[atomic haven]

like the blood moons predating recorded history

[dusk laurel]

No one knows

[wheat walrus]

also 1 misconception

[dusk laurel]

Hopefully we will know more next update

[spare pier]

I'm glad someone is actually paying attention to how we integrate stuff from Vanilla into Cal

[wheat walrus]

atom splitter I didn't say was Low Multiverse Level

I just used it to estimate what

"reality"

meant

the size of this reality

[atomic haven]

oh god please can we not start powerscaling

[eager bluff]

we know the lihzahrds did worship a god and then the god dipped and now they worship a bigass rock

[wheat walrus]

💔

[limpid saddle]

That is Omni's one god-given purpose, you would deprive him of this?

[wheat walrus]

I was js explaining myself dawg

[eager bluff]

thats about the extent of them we know atm

[wheat walrus]

I'm killing you with nukes

[dusk laurel]

Mantle Hunting

[limpid saddle]

WHAT DID I DO 💔 💔 💔 💔

[plucky lichen]

And yharim is racist against the lihzarhds and that’s lame

he is not escaping my blade

[wheat walrus]

monster hunter

[spare pier]

Oh yeah I need to write a tooltip for Old Reaper

[dusk laurel]

Please

[spare pier]

And also come up with Old Duke's new name

[atomic haven]

Baron Fishron

[wheat walrus]

that's cool

[limpid saddle]

why does the old duke need a new name?

[spare pier]

It's pretty bleh

Doesn't convey well what we're gonna go for with it

[limpid saddle]

well where are you tryin to go with it

[spare pier]

A Fishron that isn't just old

[limpid saddle]

so i can think of suggestions you arent going to listen to because they're bad 💖

[spare pier]

I mean, go on

[limpid saddle]

hmmm

[limpid saddle]

can we elaborate on this

[plucky lichen]

He’s really old

[dusk laurel]

One of, if not the first fishrons

[cloud ibex]

ok ok give me a second i got a good one

just gotta let it simmer for a second

[dusk laurel]

Survived centuries of being hunted

[cloud ibex]

BongWater

[dusk laurel]

[spare pier]

So true

[spare pier]

I mean, it's about what I said. I want to give OD more personality beyond being just

An old fuck

[cloud ibex]

if anyone is wondering, no i will never think of another joke ever

[atomic haven]

Prime Fishron

Draedon confirms that the boss names are what we call them

So something stupid like that would work lol

[limpid saddle]

Uelwyn, Baron Of The Sulphiric Sea

[atomic haven]

I love the title

"Baron of the Sulphurous Sea"

[frozen zodiac]

That's just almost always a cool naming dynamic for bosses
X of the Thing

[limpid saddle]

i think i cooked with the name rebecca ngl

[random mulch]

duke of the old

[limpid saddle]

[atomic haven]

Btw what does "After inheriting nigh limitless magical power as a mere teenager" in Calamitas' bestiary entry mean

Cause the wording seems to imply that she wasn't born with the power

but rather gained it as said teenager

[indigo glade]

You'd be correct.

She wasn't born with at, as Draedon says.

[atomic haven]

The power is linked to the brimstone elemental, right

I mean it has to be

[limpid saddle]

because uh

[atomic haven]

the magic has the same motif

[limpid saddle]

she did

[indigo glade]

Yes, Draedon also mentions this.

[atomic haven]

One thing I hope to see is a conversation with Yharim, similar to the codebreaker's conversations with Draedon, when we finally reach the Dragon's Ayrie

The lore fragments is mostly him talking at us

maybe before the fight, he gives us the chance at asking our final questions, similar to Dagoth Ur in Morrowind

[mighty zenith]

Yharim is a regular human being, just like you and me

[limpid saddle]

well we're gonna murder him so presumably he's gonna monolouge at us for 10 minutes & drop a long-winded lore item after he dies

[limpid saddle]

that's so FAITHful

[atomic haven]

will he drop a lore item?

If so, narrated by whom

[random mulch]

wrong

[atomic haven]

cause he'll be dead

[mighty zenith]

yharim talking about himself after you kill him

[atomic haven]

Narrated by Xeroc

[limpid saddle]

He would pull some shit like that though

There's no way he doesn't leave a letter

[mighty zenith]

"i lived bitch" - Force ghost Yharim

[limpid saddle]

or that

[atomic haven]

"In the astronomically unlikely event that a worm such as yourself managed to catch me unawares and stab me in the back..."

[plucky lichen]

Well that depends if he intends or thinks he will die during the fight with you

[limpid saddle]

He seems very sure he's gonna die

[atomic haven]

Btw how the hell is he talking to us anyway

telepathy facetime

[plucky lichen]

Yharock

Tock

[limpid saddle]

basically yeah

[plucky lichen]

Rock

[mighty zenith]

tbh i think it would just be unnecessary at that point

[atomic haven]

yeah, his "lore item" should be the conversation before the fight

[mighty zenith]

we dont really need a "lore item" for Yharim

[plucky lichen]

Yeah

We know a lot about him already

[mighty zenith]

we know about the majority of his life really

[plucky lichen]

He loves to talk about himself

[atomic haven]

I'm super interested in his bestiary entry

like what is that gonna be

[light linden]

hey rebecca can I ask a question?

[atomic haven]

just an objective explanation of who he is

Like we know the bestiary is non diegetic, but it can format break like with ceaseless void

[indigo glade]

"And then he monologues... somehow."

[spare pier]

Shoot

[mighty zenith]

ok

🔫

[light linden]

are there any just normal snakes?

[limpid saddle]

the phrasing is so goofy bro

[spring helm]

Bro put a final message on a rock like Jetstream Sam

[spare pier]

Yeah, I don't see why not

[light linden]

I realized that idt there's one in both calamity and vanilla earlier

[limpid saddle]

Rebecca what do you think of my Old Duke re-name suggestion

[atomic haven]

it's a hologram rising from his corpse

[cloud ibex]

finally

[limpid saddle]

cough

[cloud ibex]

calamity scientifically proven to be good

[spare pier]

Not what I'm aiming for but it's not bad

[light linden]

actually another part to that question

is DoG only called a serpent in lore because people don't know what it is?

[dusk laurel]

Long creature

Also the serpents tongue thing

Scourge's biologically would be closer to snakes tho funny enough

[atomic haven]

I love that the scheming psychopath godslayer is a worm

yeah he can talk human what of it

wait what if the Distortion is the inside of a god

As in, it's not a real place, but rather a representation of the way a divine being metabolizes foreign divine power

[plucky lichen]

primordial duke maybe

Since he’s like

The oh

Og

[magic epoch]

do we need two primordial enemies that are related to the sunken sea

[atomic haven]

I mean old duke is from the age of the dragons

he's at least a thousand years old

[cloud ibex]

there was this old, now scrapped concept for the Distortion that i really liked the idea of where it was kinda like the cosmic equivalent of a whale fall

[dusk laurel]

Well they aren't related to the Sunken Sea but yeah, they still are like not that far from one another

[cloud ibex]

instead of a dead whale creating and sustaining a small ecosystem of sorts on the ocean floor, it was a tear in reality that "fed" a cosmic ecosystem of fucked up Creatures

[atomic haven]

"With the mana having nothing to gravitate towards but itself, it condenses until it becomes a brilliant star."
This passage implies that Mana has mass

[indigo glade]

That wouldn't work because the Distortion is older than the existence of Gods.

[atomic haven]

hm

Well, maybe god in the sense of astrum deus

as in, a primeval entity wielding unfathomable power

[limpid saddle]

Astrum Deus isnt a god its a worm

[dusk laurel]

AD was only worshipped as a god

Different than actually being a god

[limpid saddle]

This is true

[atomic haven]

I see, so there's no actual real god

there's only powerful elemental beings, dragons, the sun and pretender auric "gods"

[cloud ibex]

no capital G god, no

or rather, if there is they're never relevant in any way

[atomic haven]

that makes sense

[split mortar]

Distortion was around before gods

[atomic haven]

I like the way the lore is basically a conworld where magic is part of science - Draedon freely talks about Mana and spells and wizards and witches, but also studies the way the world works based on physical laws like gravity

[atomic haven]

I already responded to this

[split mortar]

I will boil their socks

[dusk laurel]

Melon is always late dw

Nope

[atomic haven]

in a sense, he's kind of like Dr. Doom

but less pathetic

[split mortar]

The definition of a god in calamity is the “pretender auric gods”

[atomic haven]

which unfortunately conflicts with the definition of a god in real life

hence the confusion

What I meant was an entity on a scale where its power can be described as being godlike

like a living pocket dimension feeding on auric energy

a parasitic universe attached to ours, using the worm to siphon the energy it feeds on from it

[split mortar]

Not really, the definition can incoude “in certain other religions) a superhuman being or spirit worshipped as having power over nature or human fortunes; a deity.”

[atomic haven]

can we stop

you know what I meant

I know what I meant

[split mortar]

-# i actually didnt…

[atomic haven]

^

[dusk laurel]

What leon said

[dusk laurel]

this

[atomic haven]

yes like that

[dusk laurel]

The gods in Calamity are only the ones that absorbed auric souls so yeah

[spare pier]

Guys do I finish Aranyaka or do I go write?

[dusk laurel]

Flip a coin

🪙

[spare pier]

No I want opinions

[indigo glade]

My opinion is that you should flip a coin.

[spare pier]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/704694434964439071/1284577245796634675/cat_gets_splash_stupid_idot.gif

[split mortar]

Uh
Write

[spring helm]

Finish Aranyaka

[dusk laurel]

Aranyaka

[split mortar]

Idk who aramyaka is

[indigo glade]

Write.

[spare pier]

The 12 hour long Genshin Quest

[split mortar]

[spare pier]

I'm like, halfway through by now

[split mortar]

Oh then finish it

[spare pier]

Hopefully I can finish it today

[deft vessel]

No you will buy lobster slippers

[cloud ibex]

new war coded

[eager bluff]

thats a lowball

i played for like 12 hours in a single day and didnt finish it

[mighty zenith]

restart 👍

[cloud ibex]

can you stop and go do something else in the middle or is it actually a 12 hour marathon

[mighty zenith]

genshin but its desert bus

[eager bluff]

you can stop

it isnt a marathon

[mighty zenith]

lame

[cloud ibex]

ok not quite the New War then

[hoary berry]

oh my god

the trauma of trying to finish this quest in a day

then giving in and going to bed, only to find out i have another six hours left of it the next day

[plucky lichen]

You get 1200 primo gems from that quest line

Just speed through the dialogue and then watch a video explaining is

[light linden]

warframe?

[cloud ibex]

yes

[light linden]

pog

[split mortar]

[hoary berry]

i still need to get a necramech but i don't like deimos

so no new war for me right now

[dusk laurel]

wire

[cloud ibex]

Still remember grinding for a necramech only to find out I had to do the war within just to be allowed to use it

[spare pier]

I will let you know that while brainstorming ideas for OD's name, I came up with

Fartum

[cloud ibex]

Bludski about to be named the brapper

Terrible fate

[split mortar]

[random mulch]

duke brownron

[dusk laurel]

Devourer of Bloodworms

[random mulch]

those who hogron:

[hoary berry]

💔

tragedy

[deft vessel]

Roticus

[spring helm]

You are fucked up for that

[atomic haven]

Old Man Duke

@spare pier a great name might be one of the ones on this page
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Man_of_the_Sea

Myths and legends of the oceans are multitudes and merge together due to the international nature of seafaring. Most of them have many different versions, but there's nonetheless common tropes and recognizeable figures
So if Old Duke has been around for possibly thousands of years, since the draconic age, then he must be the subject of many legends - the sulphur sea probably isn't very heavily trafficked, but before the crusade, the mortal servants of the gods would still occasionally encounter him, and during the genocide, they would've been actively hunting him. He may even have turned into a Moby Dick esque white whale for many sailors hunting on the behalf of their gods

[limpid saddle]

I still really fw the title of Baron to distinct him from the Duke

[atomic haven]

good lord the greeks had a lot of ocean gods

[atomic haven]

same

Baron of the Sulphurous Sea would honestly work fine as a name, similar to how King Slime is also just the thing's title

[atomic haven]

The fishrons are remarkably similar to most of these greek sea deities - passive unless angered, capable of manipulating the weather and the waves to create storms and tornadoes, etc

[green bay]

Funy dragon pig fish

[atomic haven]

btw why was Yharim hunting the elementals

they're not gods

[dusk laurel]

Because Brimmy exploded in Azafure

[atomic haven]

wait so because one elemental destroyed Azafure he tried to genocide the entire species

[dusk laurel]

And his brain just immediately assumes that elementals are evil or smth

[atomic haven]

damn

[dusk laurel]

Yep

[spare pier]

I mean it's five

[split mortar]

Tbf theres only 5 of them and one is a god and the other nuked azafure

[spare pier]

Calling them a species is a bit wrong

[dusk laurel]

^

[atomic haven]

do we know there's only five?

[dusk laurel]

Yes

[atomic haven]

wait really

okay so which one was silva

earth?

[dusk laurel]

Brimmy, Silva, Anahita, Sandy and Cloudy

[eager bluff]

nature

[dusk laurel]

Sand ele is earth

[atomic haven]

underworld, nature, ocean, earth, sky

I see

[dusk laurel]

Earth elemental (the actual enemy) is a fake

[atomic haven]

What about space

[eager bluff]

...the sky

[atomic haven]

I doubt a cloud elemental is responsible for the vacuum of space

[dusk laurel]

It's just, heat, water, earth, air, and nature

[atomic haven]

Astrum Deus maybe

[dusk laurel]

Nope

[split mortar]

No vacuum ele

[spare pier]

I like what I did with the Earth Elemental btw

By this point I managed to make so

Every Elemental except the Chaos Elemental and Earth are, technically

Real

[atomic haven]

actually that makes sense, vacuum literally isn't anything

no element to embody

chaos elemental might be mana

[dusk laurel]

The elementals only embody what is needed to support life

Which is what the 4 represent

[spare pier]

Yeah, there's that

[dusk laurel]

Silva just represents nature and life so yeah

[spare pier]

Heat, Water, Earth and Air are the four things needed to support complex life on a planet

[atomic haven]

I suppose if space and time have an elemental they probably don't really manifest

[spare pier]

And then yeah, Silva is just a combination of what all four create

[eager bluff]

there used to be an elemental for space
but we killed it
not in the ingame sense in the actual meta sense, we removed cosmic elemental

[atomic haven]

that sounds more like a philosophical discussion in-universe, like the question of if there are elementals for those two things, with one side arguing that no, those are not really things, and the other one arguing that both space and time are still necessary for life to exist

though based on how space and time are really the same thing in the end it might be a question of if there is one space-time elemental

[spare pier]

Byeah I do like what I did with Granite and Ice Elementals

[eager bluff]

well space is only halfway correct

[spare pier]

They are, technically, true Elementals

[eager bluff]

it isnt space itself that is necessary

what is necessary is matter

[atomic haven]

yeah same, I like that the greater elementals and the lesser elementals are both called elementals, cause that's definitely what regular non-academic people in-universe would do

elementals vs. elemental creatures

embodiments vs animate elements

etc

[atomic haven]

but matter needs space to exist

time not so much, but it does require space in some form

[eager bluff]

space exists as an arbitrary distinction between different forms of matter

[atomic haven]

this gets deep into existential philosophy lol

[spare pier]

All I'm gonna say is

[atomic haven]

I'm a believer of the theory that space exists independent of its relation to matter, because a contrast can be made axiomatically based on the opposite of space, that is, non-space

[eager bluff]

its more accurate to say that space is a way to quantify matter than it is its own unique thing

[spare pier]

"Part of a solitary elemental that rarely appears aside from when her domain is at its strongest."

[atomic haven]

(non-space being the contraction of all three spatial dimensions into a point)

[spare pier]

Cloudy's entry

[atomic haven]

ooh that makes sense

[dusk laurel]

Is this a cloud and sand ele situation type thing

[atomic haven]

yeah that explains why the earth elemental is sand in the desert

the sky/heavens elemental is clouds in an atmosphere

in space it probably manifests differently, as a nebula maybe

within the deep core below the Underworld, brimmy probably manifests differently as well

[eager bluff]

in space the air elemental manifests as https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Cosmic_Elemental whatever the fuck this is

cluebed

[dusk laurel]

This shit was still alive in 2.0.2??

[atomic haven]

2.0.3.001: Removed.
🫡 😭

[eager bluff]

yeah

ur welcome for killing it

[dusk laurel]

🙏

You have done a good deed

[atomic haven]

I hope the sprite gets reused somewhere

[dusk laurel]

That sprite is ancient

[eager bluff]

i hope it doesnt

the sprite is from release 1.5

[dusk laurel]

It would be better if it was redone/redesigned, or left to rot

[atomic haven]

I hope the sprite gets permanently deleted from every data storage device which contains it

[eager bluff]

which is at this point over 3 years ago

[atomic haven]

btw okay so how many kinds of fire are there

• Regular
• Cursed
• Shadowflame
• Brimstone
• Profane

not counting the different kinds of torches

[dusk laurel]

Dragonfire ig

[atomic haven]

truee

[dusk laurel]

Godslayer inferno

[atomic haven]

is that inflicted by anything

[eager bluff]

godslayer surge when

[eager bluff]

dog

[atomic haven]

true yes

[dusk laurel]

Vulnerabilty hex is a type of brimstone fire so idk

[eager bluff]

and essentially all of the cosmilite weapons

[dusk laurel]

I'm still praying for GSI to be turned into smth that isn't a heat debuff

[atomic haven]

in terms of strength I'd probably rank them as regular, shadowflame, cursed, profane, godslayer, brimstone, dragonfire right

[eager bluff]

brimstone has huge variance

[atomic haven]

in sheer potential I don't think it would really lose out to anything except dragonfire

[spare pier]

Godslayer Inferno is, infact, not going to be a fire debuff soon enough

[dusk laurel]

_ _

[eager bluff]

thank god

[atomic haven]

it does seem a bit weird

[dusk laurel]

The heat debuff economy was too bloated

The economy crashed

[atomic haven]

wait wait wait is brimmy still described as mindless or unusually quiet

I remember something like that

[eager bluff]

she was dormant for a long while

which is a good thing considering what happened when she woke up

[dusk laurel]

I hope that there's an actual reason for why Brimmy started to rampage and not just "she wants to burn everything to a crisp" like how Ana wants to drown the world

[atomic haven]

What if it's calamitas

She absorbed the power of the elemental somehow, attaining her brimstone magic and rousing the thing to descend on azafure

[eager bluff]

my headcanon is that it was an intentional provocation

[spare pier]

I mean

[atomic haven]

Yharim creating his own little godslayer by channeling the power of the fire elemental into a little girl would definitely be in character

[spare pier]

"Once a resident of the Abyss, she left it long ago due to Silva's influence spreading through her former home. She wishes to see all overtaken by the ocean, so that her domain may encompass the world. Such is the nature of all elementals."

[eager bluff]

she got provoked by some of the remaining gods to destroy yharims main base of operations

[eager bluff]

yeah but if that was the case scal wouldnt have been the one to initiate contact

[atomic haven]

true true

yeah let's hope there's actually lore there

[spare pier]

Now, why Brimmy woke up is another story

[atomic haven]

tbh another thing I really like about the lore is the way you've incorporated slimes
Like slimes are weird, they absorb and then express lots of different, weird powers, but their behavior never really changes

[dusk laurel]

But then why will she specifically probably not get a real name, since the others (excluding Silva) are also like that

[atomic haven]

like there's no slimes becoming megalomanical and monologuing villainously, because slimes don't have a brain

They just hop around

Doesn't matter if they're infused with the fury of a dead god, they just keep hoppin'

The perfect solution for Yharim's god power containment issues, but he didn't think of it, instead hiring on the interdimensional terror worm

[spare pier]

I mean, there is the part where Brimmy is the only one that caused untold destruction, as far as you know at least

[dusk laurel]

Fair enough

[spare pier]

Also being real none of the others are getting one too

Anahita having one just happened because the old Devs were feeling like it, and Silva had one in her previous incarnation

[cosmic zenith]

Anahita has one because her previous incarnation did too

Her old name was Nahlyn, I think

[cloud ibex]

it was

but then the dev who came up with the name pulled it (and her design at the time) so we got anahita instead

[cosmic zenith]

Yeah, I remember

Tides of Aether

[lusty grove]

I think anahita rolls better than nahlyn ngl

[spring helm]

hellfire

i think

[long gate]

Like hellfire arrows?

[spring helm]

hellfire the debuff

[long gate]

Oh

[spring helm]

https://terraria.wiki.gg/wiki/Hellfire

[atomic haven]

I see I see

it's very hot fire

doesn't seem magical, since it's also inflicted by a flamethrower

so probably a bit like lighting napalm or gasoline on fire, compared to a regular wood or coal fire

[long gate]

It sounds like hardmode fire

I mean bigger damage fire

[atomic haven]

yeah exactly

[long gate]

Ih profaned fire the same as holy flame

Or holy fire

From providence ?

[atomic haven]

yes

I think it got renamed

Fire seems uniquely suited to being subject to magical enchantment

Like apart from the various kinds of magical fire, all the biome torches and campfires are almost certainly magical

[long gate]

Cant you change the color of fire with chemicals tho

[atomic haven]

true true

[long gate]

Maybe its just that although it being magic is cooler

[atomic haven]

A lot of them are probably chemical yeah

Though, the torch buff would imply it's magic

as well as the torch god's favor

the luck boost when near a biome-appropriate torch almost seems like an application of synchronicity, i.e. a common magical effect in many conworlds where things that "fit together" amplify eachother

[long gate]

I think there being a torch god is enough proof for torches changing color magically and not chemicaly

[long gate]

Damn i honestly didnt know that

[atomic haven]

not sure if it's an actual god tbh, at least not in the calamity sense

i.e. a mortal who absorbed an auric dragon soul

[cloud ibex]

i think torch god's bestiary entry is being changed to be more vague

[long gate]

Spilled auric dragon souls on the torch 😭

[atomic haven]

but yes the existence of an entity directly controlling or commanding torches in particular does suggest a magical origin

[cloud ibex]

that is, i believe literally a single word is being changed

[atomic haven]

God to "God"

[indigo glade]

Two words.

[long gate]

"suspiciously powerful torch"

[split mortar]

Unknown god to unknown being iirc

[atomic haven]

my guess is "an unseen deity entity responsible for a torch's eternal flicker, however easily angered by the unsightly, ungrateful abuse of torch placement"

[indigo glade]

Unknown entity.

[atomic haven]

might be worth also specifying that the name is colloquial

[long gate]

But it will still stay named torch god?

[indigo glade]

Yes.

[cloud ibex]

idk probably

astrum deus' name still means "star god" in janky latin even though it's not an actual god in cal's sense

[atomic haven]

Astrum Deus is a weird name

I mean it works, latin is kind of techy and space is as well

Slipstream Serpent

[long gate]

I thiught its deus because there are two of them

[split mortar]

Deus is a single being iirc

[hybrid barn]

So like...Astrum Deu, plural?

[atomic haven]

Would be neat if they were a "civilization" and Astrum was the title for a star eater

so our Astrum is Deus

[patent rover]

astrum deuce

[atomic haven]

But there might be other Astrum around

with different names

Like Astrum Aureum, Astrum Rex, Astrum Noctis, etc

[long gate]

Astrum aureus?

[atomic haven]

Aurium is the correct declination I think

but latin is a bunch of nonsense

Aurum

whatever

[dusk laurel]

Aureus is a random robot Draedon made that got infected

[atomic haven]

yeah true

I meant like the worm

maybe Astrum Deus was its title + name

and other worms have the same title + different name

idk it's a thought

[dusk laurel]

I wish Deus wasn't a worm

[atomic haven]

there's not really a way to integrate this in the lore anyhow without it being clunky af lol

headcanon it is

[cloud ibex]

Starworm ....................

[atomic haven]

the scourge of the worm boss

is it impossible to add new boss AI or something

[dusk laurel]

It isn't

[atomic haven]

cause fundamentally most modded bosses are just a vanilla boss AI and rig

[dusk laurel]

At least the Scourges are being saved

[dusk laurel]

Yeah

[atomic haven]

scourge is worm, ravanger is golem, polterghast is plantera

[dusk laurel]

I wish more Cal bosses were unique

[atomic haven]

yeah me too

[patent rover]

i think that's just how calamity was made

[atomic haven]

also when it was made

calamity is an ancient mod

[patent rover]

yeah

[atomic haven]

compared to most modern projects at least

[dusk laurel]

They're better in concept rather than in practice

[atomic haven]

but the difference is, most of its compatriots were updated in terms of design

like Thorium overhauled all its bosses at some point

[long gate]

I mean its not that bad

[atomic haven]

anyway lore

[long gate]

It doesnt feel too repetitive

[frigid sage]

except ravager

[limpid saddle]

Desert Scourge, Aquatic Scourge, Astrum Deus Storm Weaver, Devourer Of Gods, XM-05 Thanatos :

point being there's uh

alot of worms

[dusk laurel]

Not too mention all of the non-boss "worm" enemies

[plucky lichen]

yknow i would be real happy to see a worm right about now tbh

i need the bone serpent to drop its sword thing

nvm just got it after like an hour

[spare pier]

Hey everyone

What topics do you want Amidias to talk about?

[split mortar]

Hai

[split mortar]

The cuisine

Politics

Fashion

[spare pier]

Those are all covered already

[split mortar]

Oh nice

[spare pier]

I'm asking more about stuff outside of Ilmeris

[split mortar]

I see

[spare pier]

Basically everything inside of Ilmeris is covered

[split mortar]

Profaned goddess stuff mayhapse

[spare pier]

Speaking of you reminded me to write stuff for Ilmeris' cuisine

[spare pier]

Also covered

Most of the super obvious stuff is covered already, I'm asking more to see if there is something I'm missing

[hoary cape]

He could mention some history stuff about a random biome that he might know about

[dusk laurel]

What significance does the royal family have

Like why were they chosen

With their ceremonial role an all

[spare pier]

.

[dusk laurel]

[spare pier]

Like, legit I just

Forgot about cuisine

That's everything I need to write down about lol

[hoary cape]

He should randomly talk about another civilization like the sky one

[split mortar]

Chrysadia

[hoary cape]

Yes I know the name

I just didn't type it

[dusk laurel]

Maybe things that preceded Ilmeris

Like that desert civilization

[hoary cape]

True

[split mortar]

Lihzahrds

[sinful adder]

He should talk about the ice biome. That place must have all been water at some point, which would make it a really big and really deep ocean

Plus, there are frozen merfolk there which must have once been alive

[dusk laurel]

Ice Claspers' entry does reference that the Tundra was created at some point iirc, so maybe yeah

I do think we already know alot about the icy mermen already tho

[hoary cape]

Nuclear winter is no more

[light linden]

even government systems?

[hoary cape]

Hasn't been for a while I know

[dusk laurel]

This #calamity-update-talk message

[spare pier]

Yeah

[spare pier]

I think he doesn't have any meaningful knowledge about them

[split mortar]

The biological workings of their spines

[dusk laurel]

glumbsdown

[hoary cape]

Their spines aren't real

I surgically removed them all

[split mortar]

The ultimate way to teat that is with the auric ore box

On amidias

[spare pier]

I'm adding a topic for stuff preceding Ilmeris though

Also I might as well give you this because I showed a few friends

In particular there was a tribe of manta ray-like people who were particularly well employed as secretaries, gatekeepers and any job that required a sort of “sixth sense”, as due to some divergent evolution shenanigans, this tribe had a particular knack at reading through people due to have very differing views of the world.

https://tenor.com/view/melusine-genshin-genshin-impact-impact-fontaine-gif-6249553802417323221

[hoary cape]

Is he going to mention Chrysadia at all

[spare pier]

I put Melusines into Calamity

[split mortar]

Can he mention how weirdly close ml is to squid despite being space alien guy

[hoary cape]

would he even know about ml

[dusk laurel]

myths

legends

[spare pier]

Not knowing about the ML is like not knowing about 9/11

[dusk laurel]

Yeah

[hoary cape]

i mean in the sense that moon lord is real i guess

[split mortar]

Especially when you are post ml

[hoary cape]

well once you beat moon lord he could be like why does he look squid like

[spare pier]

Ok I can show you