lore-discussion

[patent rover]

my character is only killing bosses and getting stronger so as to get higher fishing power

[cloud ibex]

in my mind's version of xeroc's post ascension design they for the most part keep the majority of their humanoid qualities

[split mortar]

Xeroc possibly been doing that for

Centuries

[wheat walrus]

yea

[tawdry sentinel]

yeah they’re gods ion know what to say

[split mortar]

While we do that for under 10 years

[late veldt]

the vision in my mind for Xeroc was basically SCP 001 Gate Guardian

[spring helm]

Why do you know that
Who leaked my address

[hexed skiff]

10 year? Bro the whole playthougg is a week

Or some shit like that

[mighty zenith]

i mean

[split mortar]

Im talking about in lore

[mighty zenith]

time definitely works differently in the terraria world

[split mortar]

Yharim at max will die in under 10 years

[late veldt]

Lucky guess

[patent rover]

if you can beat calamity in 7 ingame days

[mighty zenith]

a day there lasts like 10 minutes in game?

[spring helm]

Fuck

[cloud ibex]

24

[split mortar]

24

[mighty zenith]

yea

mb

[cloud ibex]

one in-game hour is an irl minute

[hexed skiff]

So you cant be the strongest and you cant fight the strongest ... calamity need rework

[cloud ibex]

but iunno how seriously you'd want to take that

[late veldt]

Yeah the calamity campaign takes place like, at least a couple months in game, who the hell even knows how long it supposed to be lore wise

[mighty zenith]

you're gonna fight xeroc eventually

[hexed skiff]

😂💀.

[mighty zenith]

its called patience

[split mortar]

Why the fuck you think they overhauling almost every calamity biome and boss at some point

[patent rover]

xeroc probably has lots of patience

[hexed skiff]

No me tho

[hoary cape]

Skill issue

[split mortar]

Eh
Deal with it

[hexed skiff]

I want to clap his cheeks

[split mortar]

Skill issue

[late veldt]

Could Player + Draedon Supernukes be enough to kill Xeroc?

[hexed skiff]

😂😂.

[hoary cape]

You won't though

[split mortar]

[hexed skiff]

Shi this is funny

[cloud ibex]

i can't imagine what living for hundreds of years would give you if not immense patience

[hoary cape]

Xeroc is still stronger than anything we can become in game lol

[split mortar]

Yeah

[hexed skiff]

Couldnt be only us

[late veldt]

nonbinary. you ain't gonna be clapping no bitches cheeks if you can't get they pronounce right

[hexed skiff]

Why i need draedon help

Just slave him and tell him to make you gear

[mighty zenith]

if anything he's gonna slave you

[cloud ibex]

good luck with that

[mighty zenith]

[cloud ibex]

[hexed skiff]

[mighty zenith]

theres literally nothing you could threaten him with tbh

[dusk laurel]

[cloud ibex]

it's practically impossible for you to even pose an actual threat to him in-game

[hexed skiff]

But i beat him in the game tho?

[mighty zenith]

his robots

[hoary cape]

You didn't

[patent rover]

you beat his toys

[mighty zenith]

and a spare body he uses to watch you

[split mortar]

Thats just a few robots designed for fights

[hexed skiff]

Here we go again

[hoary cape]

He literally doesn't have a main body

[hexed skiff]

So i didnt even beat draedon

[wheat walrus]

Draedon isn't strong

but

[hexed skiff]

Bruh ...

[patent rover]

draedon isn't just one guy

[wheat walrus]

he has a shitton of bodies

[patent rover]

he's software

[hoary cape]

Draedon is an AI lol

[split mortar]

You beat his machines that are best at fighting

[hexed skiff]

By who

[cloud ibex]

the best you can do is nuking one of his remote controlled bodies, to which he responds by going "brother can you fuckin not do that i'm trying to speak here"

[late veldt]

Yeah if there's 2 things the player just can't truly kill it's Draedon and Xeroc

and maybe Signus

[mighty zenith]

you dont get to kill draedon and you spare scal

[split mortar]

Possibly himself

[mighty zenith]

but you WILL get to kill Yharim

[wheat walrus]

and as you begin killing him he switches between bodies and keeps creating more bodies

[hexed skiff]

So who is himself?

[split mortar]

And the elementals

[patent rover]

some idiot who died lmao

[wheat walrus]

so you wouldn't be able to destroy Draedon as a whole

[late veldt]

Ah yeah and the elementals

[cloud ibex]

nobody knows

[hoary cape]

He is an AI in whatever advanced systems he designed

[split mortar]

Draedon may be a consciousness put in a machine

[hexed skiff]

And that make me sad and mad

[hoary cape]

He uploaded himself to his own database basically

[patent rover]

what about silva

[light linden]

I mean

[hexed skiff]

I want to finish playthough 100%

[hoary cape]

Silva is like 99% dead

[light linden]

we could kill draedon

[hexed skiff]

Kill all of them and slave the multiverse

😂😂😂.

[light linden]

it'd just take a lot of persistence

[late veldt]

Although the player issss technically capable of just nuking the earth (but in game we're restricted to nuking. like a square hole in the heartlands)

[split mortar]

There aint even more then 1 universe in cal

[hoary cape]

You would have to find his main server. Which I don't think you could ever do

[patent rover]

i think it'd be nearly impossible to completely destroy draedon without also completely destroying literally everything

[late veldt]

distortion

[spare pier]

The game as a 24 hour clock so

[cloud ibex]

that seems like a pretty good read

[wheat walrus]

that's a distortion

[light linden]

hi rebecca

[wheat walrus]

in spacetime

[split mortar]

Spatial anomally in the base universe

Same spacetime but very hard to reach if not impossible without making a portal

[hexed skiff]

Bro at this point i will make my own mod

[late veldt]

yeah do that!

[wheat walrus]

let's go 🐐

[hexed skiff]

Just joking 😂

[mighty zenith]

hello being

[hoary cape]

You go do that

[spare pier]

Hi :D

[late veldt]

like genuinely!

[mighty zenith]

have fun

[hexed skiff]

I want some crazy ass mod that u literlly go from zero to hero

[light linden]

rebecca mind if I ask you something in the sscls?

[wheat walrus]

and what do you do in calamity

[late veldt]

that's exactly what you do lmao. in regular terraria even

[patent rover]

i want to make a mod that adds a fishing damage class

[hexed skiff]

And u actulley kill those nasty gods bro

[late veldt]

hell just play any RPG

[spare pier]

Ask here, I won't say anything I wouldn't say here there

[split mortar]

There was good gods not all were bad

[hexed skiff]

Someone please make a mod when u can fight xenoc ans yharim and you can kill them

[wheat walrus]

you go from beating eye of cthulhu to beating the strongest magic user, every god that isn't xeroc, thing that can eat nearly any god, yharim, draedon's strongest creation and more dawg

[mighty zenith]

(i dont think this guy cares honestly)

[hexed skiff]

So i can sleep in peace

[light linden]

what dragon created that goddess of fate oc?

[spare pier]

You'll see

[split mortar]

Yharim will be killable

[mighty zenith]

the classic

[hexed skiff]

Agree i just want to clap all of them

[late veldt]

Is slime god considered good or evil or any actual like morality lean? What does the slime god actually do generally

[hoary cape]

Heck xeroc is most likely not even a bad god yharim just hates them because he was misled by the wrong side of the story

[plucky lichen]

This is what I wanna know

Also same question with Silva, was Silva chill or was she secretly evil and terrible

[hexed skiff]

What i want to know

[split mortar]

Keeps balance

Id say neutral

[hoary cape]

Silva was probably a good god also

[hexed skiff]

Is why the music of jungel dragon so goated

[late veldt]

She's epic

[mighty zenith]

i wanna say neutral but the fact they just bumrush us for seemingly no reason isnt a good sign

[patent rover]

who made jungle tortoises

[split mortar]

Because dm dokuro cooked with yharons themes

[late veldt]

evolution

[split mortar]

Likely chill and good

[plucky lichen]

Yeah if slime god didn’t jump me maybe I’d think he’s chill

[hexed skiff]

One of the cool fights , i hop xenoc and yharon fight dont disappointed

I want some banger track with crazy abilitys

[hoary cape]

Slime god was the result of whoever they were before consuming the auric soul of gluttony

[late veldt]

I mean the smime god could be having scal panic attack

[split mortar]

Yharon is already in game

Its yharim who isnt

[dusk laurel]

This guy is still saying Xenoc sob

[split mortar]

True…

[hexed skiff]

Ye im talking about that

[wheat walrus]

they made a ost music theme for you https://youtu.be/wAdpc31ZG_M?si=HOUIF-5nVWX7Msw4

the terrarian calamity music

[hoary cape]

Xeroc get the name right smh

[mighty zenith]

this is me when i'm terrarian is you

[dusk laurel]

👨

[wheat walrus]

the terrarian is you

[dusk laurel]

Melon can you send the terrarian is you image in sscls

[wheat walrus]

👱‍♂️🫵

[late veldt]

The Terrarian is https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3168580963

[plucky lichen]

What is sscls

[mighty zenith]

⛹️‍♂️

[hexed skiff]

Is that a rizz bro

[dusk laurel]

[mighty zenith]

** **

[hexed skiff]

( is does work tho)

[hoary cape]

Hacked link

[split mortar]

Super secret sorrgy

[hoary cape]

Emerald is being terminated

[mighty zenith]

🎉

[plucky lichen]

What the flimble

I’m crying

[late veldt]

Supreme Supreme Calamitas Lalamitas Salamitas

[late veldt]

noooooooo

[late veldt]

I'll say 1000 bad sentences before I let this account die

[spring helm]

1. Joe Biden

2. Hop on tModLoader

[hoary cape]

You won't even get through 10 before you get terminated

[plucky lichen]

Makes sense

[dusk laurel]

[plucky lichen]

WHAT

[late veldt]

-# Calamitas did not attend for obvious reasons

[dusk laurel]

You will be boiled

[patent rover]

is that even a question

xeroc obv

[hoary cape]

There isn't a ? So it isn't a question

It's a statement

[patent rover]

[plucky lichen]

Thank you for rephrasing

[mighty zenith]

a statement worthy of extermination

[plucky lichen]

Idk I think draedon would do pretty well

[dusk laurel]

Release the pathogen

[late veldt]

there was always a question mark you're crazy

[hoary cape]

I internally watched you edit the message

[plucky lichen]

A hallucination

[hoary cape]

I am going to make you start hallucinating soon

[late veldt]

whaaaat no you didn't you're crazy

[hoary cape]

I was crazy once

[plucky lichen]

Woah woah woah

[late veldt]

hey hey hey I have a girlfriend

[plucky lichen]

What did I do

[mighty zenith]

crabulon reference

[dusk laurel]

This is a reference to how Crabulon concurrently is a terrible boss disguised by the music

[wheat walrus]

Mods wtf are you doing

[late veldt]

encouraging me >:3

[scarlet pecan]

...that's the first thing I come back to seeing in this chat

what the shit

[hoary cape]

Instructions unclear banning vanilla instead for hating on Crabulon

[dusk laurel]

But yeah that message is just really weird

[wheat walrus]

Holy shit it's been so long since I last saw you lmao

[split mortar]

Strange users have invaded for now, prob best to look here in a hour or something

[late veldt]

Yeah that was the intention, though I don't intend on repeating such

[plucky lichen]

Wow is that the real sonic the hedgehog

[scarlet pecan]

yeah, sorry lmao, real life got in the way, but ive been steadily working on stuff with Illumina behind the scenes

[hoary cape]

I am going to say Emerald never post anything like that again or there are going to be issues

[wheat walrus]

We don't have img rights because of terrarian meme now do smth abt nsfw talk 💔

Thank you

[late veldt]

okaye 👍

[late veldt]

that's why that happened?

[dusk laurel]

Can we just delete that message now too

[scarlet pecan]

oh so that's why there's no image adding into this now?

[hexed skiff]

free my boy emerald

[late veldt]

don't call me that

[deft vessel]

The lore chat is still fallen…

[split mortar]

[wheat walrus]

"offtopic" as in embeds/meme stuff being used often but terrarian meme was used as a main example

[wheat walrus]

Yea

[mighty zenith]

holy shit its sonic the hedgehog

[hexed skiff]

what do i call u

[hoary cape]

I canceled the message

[mighty zenith]

been a while

[late veldt]

check the pronounce page

[scarlet pecan]

hey Garbo, yeah its been a hot minute hasnt it lmao

[hexed skiff]

so u are a girl ?

[late veldt]

I was the only one who could stand up against the work calamity mod

woke

[scarlet pecan]

been working on stuff with Illumina in the background but real life has become a thing lol

[late veldt]

👍

[spring helm]

Real (life)

[deft vessel]

If only image perms were a thing

[late veldt]

(all is in good fun but if y'all don't want me doing shit I wonte)

[deft vessel]

I know what would appear

[split mortar]

The terrarian…

[patent rover]

i was gonna screenshot the part of the page that says
✓ girl

[deft vessel]

No, talking about wokelamitas

[dusk laurel]

wokemonster

[scarlet pecan]

...huh????

im now even more confused

[stoic gulch]

Holy shit it’s sonic the hedgehog

[late veldt]

what the hell is wokelamitas

[spring helm]

Calamitas but lgbt

[late veldt]

is that that one sprite of her in a maid dress from the fandom vandalization?

[deft vessel]

Funny image

[patent rover]

isn't she already?

[split mortar]

Calamitas is aro ace

[spring helm]

Yeah lol

[split mortar]

So yes

[late veldt]

God this is such a lorous conversation

[stoic gulch]

Aro ace yeah

[split mortar]

I am going to remove your bones with salt

[stoic gulch]

Pls never do that to me

[late veldt]

woahhh that's the kinda insult I only get from my closest friends

that's how I know I've made it big

when random fuckers say that to me

look at me ma I'm a big shot!

[deft vessel]

^eel pit

[split mortar]

Noh

[stoic gulch]

Guh

S-s

[dusk laurel]

Release the eels

[stoic gulch]

Spamton?

[dusk laurel]

No

[stoic gulch]

Why not

[hoary cape]

Everyone get back to lore chat or I am going to orbital nuke all of you

[split mortar]

Not an eel

[lusty grove]

Calamity reference????

[plucky lichen]

Ok guys do you think shikaidou was a chill guy or not

[stoic gulch]

Yes

[dusk laurel]

I think he was chill tbh

[split mortar]

Uh
Idk
Probably yeah

[plucky lichen]

I think they were

[split mortar]

But thats just
Pure headcanon

[scarlet pecan]

right so uh....

[plucky lichen]

Then they got decked by yharim so uhm

[scarlet pecan]

....shit i lost my train of thought that I was gonna go on

[plucky lichen]

We’ll never know!

[stoic gulch]

So real

[split mortar]

Lmao

[scarlet pecan]

it was something involving Empress of Light

[late veldt]

would Yharim be good at chess

[split mortar]

We dunno what gods she follow

[plucky lichen]

Yes

[stoic gulch]

Nah

He would feed all pieces to yharon

[plucky lichen]

Dude he’s like a war general guy

[dusk laurel]

Yharim would be good at Chess

[hoary berry]

if it were anything else i'd have been shocked

[stoic gulch]

Otherwise yes

[dusk laurel]

Yharon's not like a dog

[patent rover]

would yharon be good at chess

[split mortar]

Why

[dusk laurel]

No

[spring helm]

What the fuck is exodium cluster

[late veldt]

how would he move the pieces

[stoic gulch]

No he would eat the pieces

[hoary berry]

they are the eol person

[split mortar]

They would eat the chess no

[deft vessel]

Space rock ugabooga

[stoic gulch]

Just blow on them idk

[patent rover]

with his talons?

[dusk laurel]

Yharon's fingers could easily be larger than an entire board

[split mortar]

Its sonic the hehhog

[plucky lichen]

This his hands probably

Oh yharon

Not yharim

[patent rover]

just because he's a giant dragon doesn't mean he's uncoordinated

[lusty grove]

Sonic the he hog

[stoic gulch]

Wawa

[lusty grove]

Woke version is sonic they hog

[scarlet pecan]

pH were you expecting anything less lmao

[plucky lichen]

I love how everyone’s collective reaction is “wow it’s sonic the hedgehog” as soon as this guy enters the chat

[stoic gulch]

Well

She steals primordial light I guess

[stoic gulch]

But it’s sonic the hedgehog

[dusk laurel]

Okay but consider this, he's too large, his eyes would be too far away from the board and his fingers are just too large

[stoic gulch]

Who wouldn’t

[plucky lichen]

Big chess board

[late veldt]

how fast could Yharim eat a steak

[patent rover]

well what if there was a board big enough to accommodate him

[patent rover]

ten seconds

[plucky lichen]

Instant

[stoic gulch]

What does eat really mean

[dusk laurel]

Then who would he play against

[stoic gulch]

Storm weaver

[late veldt]

what the fuck are you an alien

[dusk laurel]

❌

[patent rover]

magnus carlsen?

[stoic gulch]

I am skeletron

[split mortar]

Dragon king

[scarlet pecan]

if there's one part of the lore that I have the biggest theorizing hyperfixation on, it's the like 20ft tall light woman that has nearly next to no information on outside of an unreliable narrator or an inaccurate beastiary lmao

[dusk laurel]

Deceased

[deft vessel]

Has vanilla Terraria lore ever been discussed her

[dusk laurel]

Too small

[split mortar]

Xeroc

[dusk laurel]

Busy

[late veldt]

I don't think that exists either

[stoic gulch]

So I mean kinda

[patent rover]

well he can announce his moves and have yharon make them

[split mortar]

A bit
Mainly that it doesnt exist cohesively

[patent rover]

or the other way around

can yharon talk?

[stoic gulch]

Three times

[stoic gulch]

Probably

[late veldt]

ohhh I thought you said Terrarian

[dusk laurel]

Not in the same way as people

[split mortar]

Dog

[late veldt]

yeah there's lore

[deft vessel]

Kinda pointles in the description

[dusk laurel]

DoG has basically no limbs

And his mandibles are crap

[stoic gulch]

Well you know what they say…

[split mortar]

Push with head

[patent rover]

dog would suck at chess

he'd put his queen out and get mad when it gets taken

[stoic gulch]

Actually so true

Or he would cheat

[dusk laurel]

He would cheat tbh

[late veldt]

I guess there's also the New terraria comic

[split mortar]

Cheats and then loses anyways

[late veldt]

And also the marvel comic that was like what two issues

those are sorta lorous

[split mortar]

Also that shit weird animated show thing that was just to advertise some figurines i think?

[late veldt]

oh yeah that

that

[plucky lichen]

Why eat an auric soul when I can just make cool things and beat people with it

[late veldt]

the only one of those that conforms to modern lore is probably the modern comic

[late veldt]

how get auric bars

[plucky lichen]

I didn’t need to eat yharon to do that

Just uhm

Make him go take a nap

[robust osprey]

he would make pawns do queen movements

[mighty zenith]

he'd eat the pieces when you look away

cause he's a bitch

[patent rover]

just use tongs

[dusk laurel]

[plucky lichen]

Yeah that’s something I’ve actually wondered about

How do you get auric bars in the first place without getting deep fried

I know there’s the

[late veldt]

no as in. where the fuck doya find em

[plucky lichen]

Transmutation

[dusk laurel]

Coat your hands in auric soul fragments

[plucky lichen]

Can you do that

[dusk laurel]

Or, attune to a dragon

[stoic gulch]

Uelibloom is tree

[plucky lichen]

Are they like physical things

[stoic gulch]

So just

Electricity doesn’t go well with tree

[dusk laurel]

I think you'd have to fuse them with smth else

[dusk laurel]

Not canon

Also it'd reject that too

[plucky lichen]

Get some rubber gloves

Could gods touch auric armor

And auric bars

[dusk laurel]

Auric practically would reject anything that touches it, but well, that wouldn't really work in Terraria

Since yk, how would you get it then

[split mortar]

Nope

[plucky lichen]

Getting my soul fragment rubber gloves to mine this shit

[robust osprey]

I thought it just rejects living shits

[split mortar]

Also rejected golf balls and draedon iirc

[patent rover]

i mean

what about the stone it's encased in

just quarry it out

[late veldt]

It hates golf??? based?????

[dusk laurel]

Auric ore stands with the people

Why else would it reject golf balls

[robust osprey]

racism against golf balls

[plucky lichen]

Hey just to clarify why did the slime god jump us again? Did he see us as a threat?

I would have not minded him existing if he didn’t decide I was better off dead

[split mortar]

We do kill their slimes for the soawner so its canon reason may be that we were killing its slimes halting the growth if paladins anlot

[plucky lichen]

Ohhhh ok

[mighty zenith]

its a lil flawed since the spawn item isnt canon but the idea's neat

if it wasnt spawnable via item then killing ebonian/crimulan slimes would def be it

[plucky lichen]

Look they needed to die because they were inconvenient and in my way

And providence went after us because we were seen as a danger to her right

Valid actually I am a danger to her she’s a bitch

[split mortar]

Thats why the guardians and profaned enemies attack us

[dusk laurel]

Nah it was because we killed her "roomates"

[split mortar]

^

[plucky lichen]

Gotcha

And they were roommates

[split mortar]

We hold something she needs

the profaned core from the guardians

[dusk laurel]

The nefarious profaned Core

So basically she split the flame dragon's auric soul between her and the guardians iirc

with 25% going to them

and the remaining 75% to herself

[plucky lichen]

Ahhhh I see

[dusk laurel]

And the core is like what the guardians had

[split mortar]

Think its closer to 40/60 imo

Since the guards are

Strong

[dusk laurel]

I'll reconsider after they get redesigned

[timid lotus]

infernum has to be 90% for guardians

[split mortar]

They are post ml

Right behind her in progression

[split mortar]

True

[plucky lichen]

The guardians look like they have pokeballs for heads

[dusk laurel]

Let's agree to disagree

[dusk laurel]

True tho

[split mortar]

Aight

[dusk laurel]

Isn't there a profane enemy that also has a pokeball head

that came before the guardians resprite

[split mortar]

I think so

The tings that sit and dont move and doawn some flying head things?

[pliant island]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Impious_Immolator

[dusk laurel]

Yeah

[split mortar]

I was thinking profaned energy

Forgor immolator had a head

[dusk laurel]

I love the newer profaned sprites way too much

[split mortar]

Can you show?

[dusk laurel]

this thing

[plucky lichen]

Ohhh yeah I wanna see

[split mortar]

Neato

[dusk laurel]

Also thank god the collider got resized down in the resprite

[eager bluff]

it did

yeah

oh wait thats not what your message said

ignore me

i thought you asked if it got resized

[dusk laurel]

_ _

[plucky lichen]

Oh btw king slime is just a really big maybe slightly more intelligent slime? That’s what I got from the entry anyways

I’m writing sort of “replies” to the entries for building my character’s lore

[split mortar]

Yeah slimes get slightly more intelligent the bigger they are

[magic epoch]

ftw king slime must be a genius

[plucky lichen]

Cool beans

[mighty zenith]

einstlime

[hoary cape]

Has the intelligence, but can't express it

[plucky lichen]

Do we know who wrote the bestiary

Or is it just

Up to interpretation

[cloud ibex]

nobody probably

[stoic gulch]

What’s lore with slimes again?

I know slime gods kinda

[cloud ibex]

just sorta Exists as a thing written from an objective point of view

[stoic gulch]

But just slimes

[stoic gulch]

Ah

Thank you

[cloud ibex]

iunno if cal has specific lore for what slimes are

[plucky lichen]

Maybe it could be you the player writing that stuff down as you learn more about them

You get some entries and information the more you kill an enemy right

Fun headcanon

[cloud ibex]

yea but that'd pose the question of how you get to know some of the things written in there

[plucky lichen]

Very true

Ask yharim on the yharock

[cloud ibex]

i suppose you could say that your character simply Knows all the things they write in there but at that point it sorta stretches into headcanon territory

[plucky lichen]

Or some of the people that move into your civilization

Or maybe you find information in the ruins

Of various buildings

[patent rover]

where do banners come from

[cloud ibex]

yea but that wouldn't give you an objective viewpoint

[plucky lichen]

Perhaps it could be an amalgamation of knowledge you’ve found from scattered sources

[plucky lichen]

True yharim is not exactly reliable

[cloud ibex]

iirc yharim doesn't even point out that rav is the corpse of the god of sacrifices, but the bestiary straight up says it is

[split mortar]

Prob gameplay

[cloud ibex]

surely he'd say something if he knew that the corpse of one of the gods he put down got up and started going monkey mode right

[plucky lichen]

Yharim did nothing wrong guys! He’s a reliable narrator and a good guy that always tells me the truth

[late veldt]

Honestly the bestiary is one of my favorite additions to terraria

such a fun vehicle for lore tidbits

[manic coral]

He doesn't talk about the Hallowm for no reason in particular

He just doesn't feel like it

[late veldt]

Land of the Godseeker's Sins

[light linden]

ngl I thought that y'all just hadn't made one of those lore things yet

[plucky lichen]

It’s just not important don’t worry about it

Yharim staring at my 50 unread emails I sent him about the hallowed

[plucky lichen]

Did calamitas join yharim before or after azafure burned

[dusk laurel]

After

[plucky lichen]

Cool beans

And will we ever know who really awoke the brimstone which

Mote

Elemental

God English

[dusk laurel]

The language of all time

[plucky lichen]

I cannot speak it and it’s the only language I know

Actually lie

I know asl

Not entirely fluent

But I can’t really type that can I

[split mortar]

She didnt have her powers till the great fire of london happened

[dusk laurel]

London simply cannot compare to Azafure

[plucky lichen]

The real cause of brimmy waking up was the bakery oven

[timid lotus]

no, didn't yharim send calamitas to go fight the brimstone elemental, and they burned azafure in crossfire

[dusk laurel]

No

That's a mix of old and new lore

[mighty zenith]

Yharim says Calamitas was found in the remains of Azafure and brought to Yharim

[timid lotus]

wat

[cloud ibex]

tbh i think i'd rather like to imagine yharim went to azafure to survey the damages in person, at which point he found cal himself

[mighty zenith]

Maybe? though he says she was brought to him i think

lemme check again

[timid lotus]

then that would have been after the burning of azafure, but it says calamitas faught the brimstone elemental which caused the big destruction

[mighty zenith]

yes, she fought brimmy

[cloud ibex]

feels more personal than "some of his goons picked her out of the rubble and then dragged her over to yharim's seat of command or whatever"

[timid lotus]

hmmm

[mighty zenith]

she gained a part of brimmy's power during the fight basically

its not explained how currently

[timid lotus]

it says "Perhaps the two were attuned somehow…."

idk

[cloud ibex]

yea i know, i'm saying that i prefer the idea of yharim being there to "console" her practically right after the fight with brimmy happened

sorta like how thanos and gamora first met

[pliant ruin]

calamitas was like a random 11-13 year old she wasnt a part of yharims army until after azafure was destroyed

she tried protecting her family and got a sudden burst of power she couldnt control and after the fight was over her and brimmy had destroyed azafure

[plucky lichen]

Guide is from Azafure right?

[pliant ruin]

ye

[plucky lichen]

Did he migrate there or was he born there

[pliant ruin]

i like to think the former because i like to headcanon native azafurians have horns and gray skin like cal

[cloud ibex]

yeah

[plucky lichen]

That’s how I see them too

[dusk laurel]

Yah

[plucky lichen]

The terrarian I’ve been writing about was native to azafure

[timid lotus]

wait no

in draedon's codebreaker lore

he said she wasn't born with it rather given to her by the brimstone elemental in some way

[pliant ruin]

yeah

she wasn't born with the power

she got it suddenly

[hoary cape]

what if the guide has a guise on and is actually someone who looks like what cal looks like

[deft vessel]

There are atleast like 5 calamities in Calamity

[late veldt]

Calamities Mod doesn't exactly roll off the tongue, does it?

[spring helm]

🖐️ 🫱 👌 🫰 🖖

[pliant ruin]

i'm wing gaster! the royal scientist

[spring helm]

pushes you into lava

[lusty grove]

Asriel dust

[magic epoch]

[halcyon raft]

so as far as i understand

brimmy awakened and went ape shit

[split mortar]

Yes

[halcyon raft]

and during the process calamitas arose and went ape shit

and azafure burned?

[split mortar]

Yes

[halcyon raft]

ahhhh thank you

[split mortar]

-# calamitas failed at stopping brimmy and caused about as much destruction herself

[halcyon raft]

it's important cuz my OC is the former king of azafure before it got wiped off the face of the earth

so i need to get all the facts right

[hasty crater]

my oc is yharim

they stole it

[halcyon raft]

lmao

[split mortar]

Thats rough

[halcyon raft]

ah got it

wait so in the end

who stopped them both?

did they tire out

or did yharim intervene

[split mortar]

No one

[split mortar]

Likely this

Scal and brimmy couldnt hurt eachother

[halcyon raft]

ah i see

[halcyon raft]

fair, considering same magic and stuff

[split mortar]

Fire vs fire

[halcyon raft]

it's interesting to see that an ice mage took a brimstone witch as his apprentice

[pliant ruin]

Calamitas probably gained the control of her own mind back as her magic normalized and Brimmy probably backed off seeing as the fight wasn't going anywhere

[dusk laurel]

Since Azafure is an oligarchy I doubt there would have been a king that's still alive

[timid lotus]

its not really about the type, permafrost was the best mage Yharim's army had, so they sent him to help her

[halcyon raft]

alrighty fair enough

[halcyon raft]

oh wait it is?

[dusk laurel]

Yah

[halcyon raft]

i don't see that mentioned

[pliant ruin]

"dad i want to learn ice magic just like you"
"nuh uh"
"dad i want to learn Evil Zombie Corpse Skeleton Death magic"
"fuck yeah...."

(for legal reasons this statement is a joke)

[halcyon raft]

oh there's a whole lore section on why he's still alive, his role in the war and all that

his motivations

[timid lotus]

archmage?

[halcyon raft]

even how he feels during the fight with yharon and after defeating him

[pliant ruin]

i havent seen anything abt azafure being a oligarchy either

[timid lotus]

h yahrim

[pliant ruin]

unless thats a dev statement

[halcyon raft]

lmaoooo

[halcyon raft]

ah good then

[dusk laurel]

Yet another dev statement

[halcyon raft]

i can still cook

with my story

[dusk laurel]

(Stip said this the other day)

#lore-discussion message

[pliant ruin]

That dosen't seem like confirmation to me

more like a possibility

[halcyon raft]

yeah

they said they wanted to

not implemented i suppose

[pliant ruin]

Either way if u wanna write the king of azafure then ur free to stray from canon if the canon is a oligarchy anyways

[dusk laurel]

True

[halcyon raft]

fair

also the way i explain the character being able to respawn plus the survival is something which idk if it makes sense

wait lemme just send an excerpt

"You should have died in the flames alongside your people, but something kept you alive. Perhaps it was fate, or perhaps it was something far worse—a curse that would not let you rest until justice was done.

Long ago, before Azafure fell, Yharim gave you a gift.

He was not always the tyrant he became. There was a time when he fought beside you, when he saw you as a warrior worthy of honor. And so, to reward your service, he granted you immortality. Using his bond with Yharon, the Dragon of Rebirth, Yharim bound your soul to life itself. No matter how many times you fell, no matter how fatal the wound, you would always return."

is it possible for that bond thing to have taken place? (and yes i wrote in 2nd person, i thought it was cool ok 😭 )

[hoary berry]

I write in second person a lot

[pliant ruin]

Well a few things i'd point out

[halcyon raft]

ah wonderful then

[pliant ruin]

Yharon can't really revive others that aren't auric dragons

And Yharim was never really a good person, he just thinks he was

Yharim thinks he's a fallen hero when he's just like. bad

Not to say you can't go to this path with the writing if you so choose

[halcyon raft]

well i hadn't quite called him a good person, more of a "not-quite-so full on tyrant"

[halcyon raft]

ohhhhh i see

well fuck

[pliant ruin]

I mean i suppose it depends on what you define as tyrant

[halcyon raft]

time to rework this

[pliant ruin]

Also respawn dosen't have to be canon

[halcyon raft]

i really appreciate your help tho, thank you so much

[pliant ruin]

At base level it's just a game mechanic, if u wanna make it canon thats up to u tho

yw

[halcyon raft]

ah ik i just thought it'd be interesting to explore this dynamic

[halcyon raft]

a cruel and oppressive ruler

who is deliberately malicious

and seeks their own power over all else

[pliant ruin]

On one hand he always had terrible motivations and the crusade as a whole was bad from the start, but on the other on the start he atleast took care of his army and allies

He's not really a ruler

He dosen't really have dominion over any specific places

[halcyon raft]

yeah

[halcyon raft]

i always just assumed he ruled over the lands where his soldiers would live

like, plots of land

[pliant ruin]

So the way i see you could argue that being true is that he was always a terrible person but initially he was a terrible person that was good at his job by taking good care of their assets but later became a terrible person that couldn't even bother to do that much

[halcyon raft]

oooooh interesting, that's a wonderful way to look at it

yes, i'd say that's the perfect way to go about it

[pliant ruin]

iirc his army was nomadic

they didn't stick to one place

welp i have a dnd session now

[halcyon raft]

ah right

[pliant ruin]

was fun talking to ya

good luck with ur writing

[halcyon raft]

oooooh have fun

i would love to play dnd someday

[halcyon raft]

thank you : )

goodbye

[timid lotus]

wiat

yknow the silva armor goddess

[stoic gulch]

Yeah

Silva is like

Died from yharim

And the moss in abyss is fragments of her

[sinful adder]

The cool part is the Silva is still alive

[stoic gulch]

Yeah

Elementals is immortal I think?

[timid lotus]

no

i dont think?

[stoic gulch]

yes

I think?

[dusk laurel]

All elementals are essentially immortal

Unless you get rid of their elements completely

[sinful adder]

She's both the elemental of nature and goddess of life, and elementals can't be fully killed unless you destroy the entire element. She will regenerate in a few years

[stoic gulch]

Which is basically impossible

[dusk laurel]

Yeah

[timid lotus]

hmm

in anahita's lore item it says that they are unseperable even at death, referencing the player possibly.

[sinful adder]

Yeah. Although that might not quite be correct. We know anahita will regenerate, and we don't know what will happen with the leviathan. It is probably dead forever, but it could be a summon

[stoic gulch]

Is there like summon lore

Cuz you mentioned it

Or is it just

Mana

Concentrated into

Thing

[timid lotus]

what

whats a summon lore

[magic epoch]

lore regarding minions and summon weapons

[stoic gulch]

Ye

[dusk laurel]

Summoners are basically just fake mages

Posers

[stoic gulch]

So as I thought

[dusk laurel]

Okay well I was just voicing my opinion with that one

I don't think there's any official lore but

It's probably like a more advanced form of magic

[timid lotus]

summons are just a game mechanic i think

[stoic gulch]

There is mage lore so id guess summoner also has lore

Same with rogue

But not as much

[timid lotus]

rogue is a given since it's added by the mod

[dusk laurel]

But why would it just be a game mechanic

[late veldt]

rogue is sneaky

[dusk laurel]

Nope

Not sneaky enough

Their sneak rights will eventually be stripped away

[mighty zenith]

summons seem to just be constructs formed through specific types of magic and mana

[late veldt]

whaaaaaa

[timid lotus]

hmm

[mighty zenith]

so like, cryogen would technically be a summon

[late veldt]

what's their gimmick then?????

[timid lotus]

so like permafrost's big ice cube

[dusk laurel]

Yeah that's what i was thinking

[timid lotus]

yaaaaa

[dusk laurel]

Being locked in

[mighty zenith]

focusing

[late veldt]

ohhhh

[mighty zenith]

cause like

[late veldt]

aura meter

[mighty zenith]

the name stealth never rly fit the playstyle

[dusk laurel]

Rogue stealth isn't even stealthy

Also yeah it will be renamed to focus

[late veldt]

yeah I can see it being like a focus thing

[timid lotus]

maybe statis or braelor use rogue or som shi

[mighty zenith]

so now it'll be about hitting weak spots and making attacks stronger by taking your time

[stoic gulch]

So a mirror gives more focus

[dusk laurel]

Braelor is melee

[stoic gulch]

Lol

[dusk laurel]

Statis is rogue

[mighty zenith]

statis was a rogue

[timid lotus]

ah

[mighty zenith]

well, was

still is

[stoic gulch]

Oh yeah was there a design for statis and braelor

I forgot

[dusk laurel]

Yes

[mighty zenith]

yep, its in pins

[dusk laurel]

Check pins

[timid lotus]

wait

statis isnt summoner?

[dusk laurel]

No

[mighty zenith]

nope

[timid lotus]

he has 2 summon accesories

[dusk laurel]

Those are being replaced

[timid lotus]

dang

[mighty zenith]

yeah

[stoic gulch]

Lore doc?

[dusk laurel]

So he only has the dash accessories

Nope

[mighty zenith]

the statis ninja belt and void sash are staying tho

[mighty zenith]

no the one labeled "calamity mod reference"

[timid lotus]

makes sense

[late veldt]

wait so if Yharim and braelor are melee, statis and signus are rogues, The Cals and Archimage are mages, and like. Providence and also Scal are summoners.

who the hell is a ranger

[mighty zenith]

draedon

[dusk laurel]

SCal is mage and summoner

[mighty zenith]

dude's favorite weapon is a gun

[timid lotus]

gfb real

[dusk laurel]

Draedon has his pulse rifle

[late veldt]

that's what I just said

ok so the only ranger is Draedon in a secret seed

[dusk laurel]

No it's canon

[timid lotus]

exo mechs

also have guns

[dusk laurel]

Pulse rifle tooltip

[timid lotus]

many

[mighty zenith]

yeah he talks about his prefered weapon being the pulse rifle

[timid lotus]

guns

[mighty zenith]

he just specifically uses it in gfb

[timid lotus]

wait really?

[mighty zenith]

for the funi

[pliant island]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Pulse_Rifle

[dusk laurel]

I know I didn't read it right

[mighty zenith]

'My own personal weapon, used to stamp out failed creations.
I have backed up the schematics in the event of the original's destruction.'

[dusk laurel]

Providence isn't really a summoner

[late veldt]

ah

[dusk laurel]

She just takes the corpses of her friends and uses them as puppets

[late veldt]

the one ranger is the guy who's also sorta a summoner and just builds a bunch of machines to fight for him

Is there like a 'central' Draedon? I always imagined him being equally split between bodies

[timid lotus]

maybe like a draedon soul at his lab

THE draedon soul

since you can kill him and he comes back a hologram

[dusk laurel]

Well his bodies are more like drones that get used to communicate with other people, they don't contain his brain

I do imagine he's very decentralized tho

[random mulch]

draedon is actually just an ai on a bunch of servers

[dusk laurel]

Yeah

[stoic gulch]

I love bandit

Enby presentation!!

[late veldt]

-# why is one of their possible names freakish

[dusk laurel]

Probably a donor name

[late veldt]

I have a very specific gif of Jedediah Christoff from Madness Combat frowning that ordinarily I would put here

[timid lotus]

some donor names are goofy

slap battles the traveling merchant

joseph joestar the clothier

[late veldt]

yeah, but I really wouldn't call that goofy

more like

:<

[dusk laurel]

What's wrong

[mighty zenith]

oh my god

[late veldt]

?

[mighty zenith]

they mentioned joseph

[late veldt]

ahhhhhhh

-# adds JoJo's bizarre adventure to my contingency plans for Garbo

[mighty zenith]

[late veldt]

-# that should be easier than getting a degree in robotics anyways

[sinful adder]

Draedon almost definitely doesn't have a soul

[timid lotus]

ehhhh

[atomic haven]

in a conworld with magic, it is almost certainly a form of technology

i.e. Draedon was 100% built, at least in part, using magic

[timid lotus]

sure draedon was made by the guy but still

mech trio have souls

[sinful adder]

Mech trio was built to be powered by souls

Specifically souls taken from humans

[timid lotus]

hmmmm

plausible

but im based

[atomic haven]

actually he may not have one, since you can see the differences in behavior
Like the mech trio behave and are animated by their constituent souls, the polterghast is frenzied by its constituent souls
Placing a soul into a nonliving thing like a suspension of phantoplasm or a machine seems to have adverse effects on both

[dusk laurel]

The mech trio uses the souls of some of Yharim's deceased soldiers

[sinful adder]

Yeah, that's directly stated

[atomic haven]

Draedon behaves very methodically, very devoid of cruelty or any real emotion apart from utilitarian value judgements

his priorities are mathematically determined

[dusk laurel]

He's just an AI

[sinful adder]

Yes. Because he was built like most machines. Soul powered machines are a specific, special thing

[dusk laurel]

With some added quirks

[atomic haven]

probably caused by his creator trying to upload into a body that already had an occupant

damaging both and creating Draedon

Like he says he had knowledge and understanding of technology, the ability to walk and talk

that was probably inherited from his organic "parent"

his current mindstate is very inorganic however

maybe it's as simple as the organic component providing the subconscious, while the AI component provides the conscious mind

so he acts according to mathematical determination but also has freedom of thought and the ability to be creative, caused by the root of his mind

[sinful adder]

We... Have no reason to believe this. It is equally likely that this creator made a program that would run for like a decade processing and developing an intelligence, and the creator just died of old age before it finished

[limpid saddle]

He isn't utterly devoid of feeling he's just a sociopath

He feels curiosity, he feels confusion, he feels frustration at the Terrarian's dubbing of Xwhatever-whogivesashit as 'Skeletron Prime'

[sinful adder]

I am not sure of this, but I guess

he definitely doesn't feel some emotions

[pliant ruin]

the xeroc in question too

[stoic gulch]

For realsies

We got

Strongest god

And bandit

Let’s go

[pliant ruin]

We do have reasns to believe this though

It's a valid theory

It's not confirmed but it is fully plausible

[late veldt]

How didn't Providence find any other habited planet in Embers even though Martians? is she stupid?

[timid lotus]

what

do you guys think the dragon aerie will be a subworld like the garden from wotg or argus from infernum

[late wraith]

Possibly

[timid lotus]

or will it be a boring sky island

[late veldt]

It will

There's just uh. not space for it on the map lole

so subwold 👍

like the distortion

[timid lotus]

so we make it a subworld:))))

yaaaaa!

oooooo

[late wraith]

W plan

[timid lotus]

yes

what if they made distortion too

and you can fight braelor

[late wraith]

And the cynosure lore just makes me even more exited

[timid lotus]

frfr

[dusk laurel]

Yes

This has been confirmed

As well as the Distortion being a subworld

[dusk laurel]

Nope

[timid lotus]

yessssssss

[timid lotus]

nooooooooo

[dusk laurel]

The devs don't want to add more bosses other than the 3 planned so

The mod is generally kinda bloated with bosses

[timid lotus]

yeah

[late wraith]

True

[late wraith]

And that's what makes it fun

[dusk laurel]

I think bosses are cool but there needs to be more of a balance between bosses and non-boss content

Because a boss rush is just not that interesting really

[lusty grove]

It makes the mod very divisive already

[forest coyote]

Idk if they can add too much without changing the flow of gameplay

Like what if they added npcs around the world, like an abyss Explorer team

[pliant ruin]

they want to change the flow of the gameplay

its a good thing

there are more npcs coming like statis and braelor

calamity is a content mod

not a boss fight mod

[late veldt]

the three are Yharim, Noxus, and?

[hoary berry]

xeroc

[dusk laurel]

^

[late veldt]

ah

Didn't know we were gonna be able to fight the big fella

although I don't imagine we'll be actually killing the guy lole

[plucky lichen]

where is xeroc

are they just

everywhere

[late veldt]

that's a good question actually

I just imagined him as being somewhat omnipresent within terraria

[dusk laurel]

Space probably

[late veldt]

and just choosing not to appear usually

[mighty zenith]

something something rayquaza

[dusk laurel]

It'll basically be a sparring match

[dusk laurel]

Real

[late veldt]

ah. guess we earned the respect and importance for them to not outright murder us

[dusk laurel]

Xeroc isn't really an evil guy

[late veldt]

I've only played the mobile pokemon games explain the reference

[plucky lichen]

I think xeroc is pretty chill

[late veldt]

yeah

they have been described as "chill af"

which is a funny title for someone who unintentionally sparked a genocide

[mighty zenith]

ray chills in space and eats meteors and also really fucking hates aliens (deoxys)

[plucky lichen]

big green snake in the atmosphere that prevents everyone from fucking up shit on earth and in space

[late veldt]

ah

Like Deus

[mighty zenith]

kind of

[plucky lichen]

makes sure the blue one and the red one dont murder everyone

[dusk laurel]

Deus will never beat the worm allegations 💔

[mighty zenith]

i imagine xeroc doing the same thing just chilling in space and making sure nothing shows up to destroy the planet

[plucky lichen]

xeroc telling the player who just no hit the infernum boss rush that they arent worthy enough yet

[late veldt]

I thought you meant Xeroc for a second and was extremely confused as to why Noxus was suddenly TF2

[late veldt]

takes hit of cosmic weed uhhhhhhh yeah I had an offer for you... but it's not. like. in the game yet. have this rock that only really made sense as a reward in the old lore. bye now.

[dusk laurel]

New lore rock is so much more peak tho

Cryptic messaging

[late veldt]

A bit of rock carved from the Aerie?

idk maybe I need to look at that again actually

[mighty zenith]

read its description

it gives actual context to xeroc as a character

[late veldt]

ok yeah the tooltip is neat but the rock itself just seems to be a remnant

[dusk laurel]

What else could they realistically give tho

[late veldt]

fair enough

[dusk laurel]

I guess maybe their old monk robes

If they still even have that

[late veldt]

Yeah honestly a more personalized relic than. a rock would make more sense

Maybe an old mask or something

[dusk laurel]

The fated Xeroc mask

[late veldt]

again the rock itself is just a relic of the old lore to me

[hoary berry]

propellor hat but its a PL sigil instead of a propellor

[dusk laurel]

Peak

[plucky lichen]

What was the basis of the old lore

I only really know the new lore

[late veldt]

Peak

[dusk laurel]

Old lore rock was the first thing Xeroc created

[plucky lichen]

But the old lore as a whole

[late veldt]

Xeroc themself was just an omnipotent god

[mighty zenith]

uhh
like it was mostly about everyone being bastards to each other

[mighty zenith]

not really tbh

[dusk laurel]

Old lore was cool and had a lot of good concepts but never really developed or expanded on them

[mighty zenith]

old lore xeroc was obscenely powerful but they werent capital G God

[dusk laurel]

Yeah

[late veldt]

Weren't they the creator of everything... wait that sounds wrong

[plucky lichen]

What was the deal with calamitas and Yharim and draedon and whatnot

In the old lore

[late veldt]

iirc Calamitas was the same but didn't leave Yharim

[mighty zenith]

calamitas was mostly the same except that Yharim cursed her to work for him

[limpid saddle]

Im pretty sure dreadon was dreadon

[plucky lichen]

Wow

[late veldt]

Yharim's backstory way completely fucking different though

[mighty zenith]

yharim was honestly just

much less manipulative and more in-your-face with his assholeness

draedon was an alien

[plucky lichen]

How so?

[late veldt]

iirc his brother was a dick and got his entire fucking family executed by lava for his crimes. but Yharim was holding his favorite egg.

[late veldt]

and then Yharim decided to take over the world with his dragon pal

but then again still I don't really remember

[mighty zenith]

he was sarcastic and condesending in some lore items, his goals were kinda just "take over the world", the things he did to others were much more obviously fucked like, again, cursing Calamitas to force her to work for him, incinerating the sea kingdom because amidias didn't wanna summon moon lord... etc

[plucky lichen]

Can I find all the old lore entries?

[mighty zenith]

also trapping permafrost in his own castle (yes cryogen was a castle)

[plucky lichen]

Wow

[mighty zenith]

theres probably a doc with them but i dont remember where

[dusk laurel]

Yeah there is

[mighty zenith]

tldr old lore yharim was much more of a tyrant

a... jungle tyrant...

[dusk laurel]

[late veldt]

Holy shit corn boss castle crasher

[mighty zenith]

ture

[atomic haven]

I sure hope so

The stupid "oh he was only using 1% of his power" or "oh it was just a test" is an annoying trope

Let me kill God

[late veldt]

Prepare to be disappointed

[mighty zenith]

no

[dusk laurel]

Nope