lore-discussion

[cosmic zenith]

But anyways

There's a lot of stuff I write for Cal that, in technical terms, will never be canonized

Either because the idea wasn't agreed upon, because it was scrapped, or because it simply is too detailed or niche to be ingame

[spring helm]

StipulateVenus' Silmarillion

[cosmic zenith]

There's also really neat ways to explore your characters or setting outside of the confines of Calamity lore

Like me writing dialogue for Vetrasyl in the style of Rain World Echoes
Or Cei writing about the hypothetical scenario of Providence succeeding

Building narratives is a topic that really fascinates me, and Calamity lore gives me not only a way to exercise my knowledge and skill, but also explore my fields of interest within the lore

A lot of stuff regarding the Draconic Era is like that

[pastel gazelle]

Fair! I recently got brainworms about cuisine in Calamity, so I totally understand the idea of "this is too niche to ever get explored and canonized meaningfully".

[cosmic zenith]

That is possible in NPC dialogue, perhaps

Cultural details can be fit in as long as it goes naturally

The thing is that I wrote a LOT of really detailed stuff, including culture

I haven't done that much since because I've been pretty busy

[pastel gazelle]

I have writing projects (totally unrelated to Calamity) that I ought to get back to, so I get it.

[cosmic zenith]

I'm trying to make a summary about the digestive system right now and it's a bit uneventful

[spring helm]

stip if you don't have a detailed document on the chemistry of photosynthesis and how it interacts with primordial light you're not a real writer

[pastel gazelle]

go full Elden Ring and just say "yeah, photosynthesis is inherently magical in this universe".

[spring helm]

yeah but how does the magic work

[pastel gazelle]

it's common to treat things as "like reality unless otherwise stated" and sometimes it's fun to break from that.

[spring helm]

how do the plants' cells interact with and utilize the energy from the magic

[pastel gazelle]

...the other thing I want to know more about (which I'm actually tempted to post a suggestion about) is anything to do with... any of the invasions, really. The shockstorm shuttles add a little bit of lore about the Martians, but the goblins and the pirates? Nada.

Possible explanations for the pirates:

• Former human residents of Ilmeris
• Former soldiers of Yharim's, turned to banditry as the war died down (historically, the origin of a lot of bandits)
• Heirs to whoever lived in the sky houses (they have flying boats, after all!) driven to a marauding lifestyle after losing their homes
• Some other group of assorted malcontents

[cosmic zenith]

I feel like the most detailed thing I've written was.... the geological history of the Ilmeran Sea

Followed shortly by the sky people's celebrations and culture evolution

[spring helm]

[pastel gazelle]

okay that sounds amazing

[cosmic zenith]

I had to research cave patterns and formation to write that geological history one

It got to a point where I had to explain one or two technical terms

[pastel gazelle]

speleology is cool

[dusk laurel]

👁️_ _

[cosmic zenith]

Damn
The "Architecture, Culture and Fashion" chapter of the Chrysadia worldbuilding notes has 3 pages and a half

[light linden]

totally don't have

actually lemme check rq

83 pages of lore for one of my own projects

[cosmic zenith]

I can probably share this page without issue

I just noticed a mistake in the first word

Note that these are worldbuilding notes and none of it is canon
Only portions of the doc may become canon by making it to the game

[light linden]

scp-001 survivors and chrysadians both wear a bunch of clothes to survive the sun

huh.

[dusk laurel]

chrydadians

It makes sense

[light linden]

my guess was that it was permanently rainy

[dusk laurel]

many places in hotter climates just dress like that

[cosmic zenith]

Like some sort of

[dusk laurel]

.

[cosmic zenith]

RAIN WORLD?

[dusk laurel]

💥

[light linden]

huh?

why'd you say it like that

[cosmic zenith]

Because I am evidently insane

[light linden]

ok

[manic coral]

a month and a half until The Watcher

[dusk laurel]

"a reflection of their old [---] heritage,"

I guess I can see this relating to how the sky islands weren't always there

[light linden]

ok is there a reference I ain't getting?

can't lie though

[dusk laurel]

And their culture evolved very drastically because of the new airborne environment they started to live in

[light linden]

kinda upset that chrysadia was basically just a bunch of linked islands and not one big island that fovos ripped apart

would make it where the player could still see some of the damage fovos did "in person"

[manic coral]

rain world expansion

[cosmic zenith]

Time flies

Tbf it doesn't help that I'm fighting for my life in here

[light linden]

tf is rain world expansion?

[dusk laurel]

An expansion of Rain World

[cosmic zenith]

A DLC to the game Rain World

[light linden]

well what is rain world?

[real silo]

A game

[dusk laurel]

_ _

[cosmic zenith]

The game I will force you to play by holding you at gun point!

DO IT.

[light linden]

unless you buy it for me then no

I can barely afford food

[manic coral]

be careful

he might

[light linden]

and I've gotta figure out some way to flee the country

so I don't have money to buy a random game

[cosmic zenith]

(I know, I wasn't being serious, forcing stuff on people would be very out of character for me)

[gray tulip]

i need a sun-based name for my oc

[real silo]

I had the choice of getting either rain world or gris from a raffle and I ended up getting gris because my ass tweaks at the littlest thing so I knew I'd mald at rain world

[cosmic zenith]

Speaking of Rain World, I need to get the last achievement before Watcher....

[gray tulip]

im gonna write their story on ao3 in the form of draedon's commentary on their actions via a log like the ones you can find everywhere

[cosmic zenith]

I hate Challenge 70

[real silo]

Gris was the most relaxing 3.4 hours of my life

[dusk laurel]

Without context someone would be very confused what you meant by this

[light linden]

things are getting bad where I live, don't wanna find out if they get worse

that context enough?

[dusk laurel]

Yes I already kind of knew

[dusk laurel]

The Chrysonai being very delicate with how they used their land and resources is a nice detail

[cosmic zenith]

Thanks

It's just a reflection of their respect towards the Surface and the practical issue of limited landmass, really

That's what I loved about worldbuilding for the sky civilization - everything is so intuitive

[gray tulip]

does draedon have nukes. it seems heavily implied that draedon has nukes

[cosmic zenith]

Worldbuilding for Ilmeris isn't that intuitive

He could build nukes, but he doesn't use them in his arsenal

[gray tulip]

why is he stupid/j

[cosmic zenith]

Nukes are too sloppy

[gray tulip]

could someone in auric tesla armor survive a nuke

[tall delta]

I guess the auric armor would survive

but the person not

[cosmic zenith]

Probably not, yeah

[sinful adder]

Yes, we know this because one of the acid rain enemies has a nuclear warhead sticking out of it. He just doesn't use them (as vertrasyl said)

[cosmic zenith]

It's not a real-life nuclear warhead, to be clear

An actual nuclear warhead would probably level the entire Surface of the map

It's still a powerful nuclear-based explosive, though

[sinful adder]

Though I'm of course not an expert on the matter, I would think that any nuclear explosion would have a minimum size, due to how they work, so it would be harder to make a tiny nuclear bomb than it would to make a "normal" one

But there are apparently different laws of physics, so that's fine I guess

[gray tulip]

does he understand nuclear fusion has he hit that one yet

[unreal helm]

yahirm vs DoG / cryogen / Supreme calamitas

[cosmic zenith]

I agree

I think Draedon very intentionally gave it a smaller blast radius and terrain destruction

And that Ares' Gauss Nuke is roughly the ideal nuke in his eyes

[pastel gazelle]

I just had a cursed thought. ||I wonder what Crabulon would taste like?||

||More like crab, or like mushroom? (Both of which are delicious.)||

[pliant ruin]

rot

[spring helm]

not much crab left

[pastel gazelle]

that's fair. ...what do you think glowing mushrooms taste like? Are they even edible? They're used in greater healing potions, but I treat potions as more like pharmaceuticals than cooking.

[magic epoch]

i imagine comparing them to blue cheese

[magic epoch]

holy shit cheese

[gritty kraken]

Crabulon would go so hard with cheese

Cheese the food

[visual kiln]

@magic epoch

helloooooooo

hiiiiii

[magic epoch]

as in, compare normal mushrooms to cheese and glowing mushrooms to blu cheese

[magic epoch]

@magic epoch

Hi

[pastel gazelle]

Hm. Alright. I can see it.

[visual kiln]

hihihihihhiih

hruuuuu

[magic epoch]

I'm goob

[visual kiln]

:3

[magic epoch]

(good+goober+goop (i'm slowly turning into goop))

[visual kiln]

based????

[pliant ruin]

🦭

[dusk laurel]

[magic epoch]

radiation does that to a mf

I'm becominf a slinw gi

[dusk laurel]

Keep speaking

I need to hear the truth

[magic epoch]

of wgat

[dusk laurel]

how much goop does it take

[magic epoch]

7

7globs

of goop

[visual kiln]

4 goop

[magic epoch]

No

[tall delta]

1 auric soul

[magic epoch]

Circling back to this, actually, yeah, they're definitely edible

Thinking about it, the truffle dialogue complaining about the clothier

Presumably tasty

But also the clothier is weird

[pastel gazelle]

The clothier is weird. It doesn't help that instead of lore he has Forrest Gump references.

[magic epoch]

Maybe it's like a magic mushroom

[gray tulip]

revengeance dog is beating me up its hurts help

[magic epoch]

I think this is the wrong channel

[gray tulip]

this is the wrong channel thats my mistake

[magic epoch]

Lol

[gray tulip]

continue discussing the consumption of the truffle

[gritty kraken]

truffle vs old Duke

[dusk laurel]

OD nodiffs

Mmm

[magic epoch]

can someone make one of those stupid shorts

[dusk laurel]

Yummy worm

[magic epoch]

truffle (npc)

[dusk laurel]

_ _

I can't read

[hazy adder]

how long do y'all figure the old man has been cursed for before the player appears?

[gray tulip]

thats a question ive had actually, what's the timeframe here? how long after the crusade does our adventure take place?

[sudden ruin]

two minutes

[gray tulip]

i would personally guess a few hundred years

[hazy adder]

i was thinking something about that as well

[dusk laurel]

Probably less than a century

[sudden ruin]

i was a little off my bad

[dusk laurel]

[gray tulip]

i imagine the immense power gathered would've elongated all the important people's lives

and for being an entire ocean burned to the ground, ilmeris seems cool enough to walk on. which i guess makes sense if its been a few decades but doesn't feel very magic

if we're assuming the characters are aging normally or only slightly slowly, like 50 years makes sense i guess? old man yharim and calamitas being an adult when i think its implied she commited the atrocities as a child?

20 or 30 feels like it makes more sense with normal aging but it feels absurd that the world is in this state of disrepair after only 20 to 30 years

[pastel gazelle]

that's the issue. If that's not the case, then there's a really long period of "and then nothing in particular happened" which... isn't how history works.

[magic epoch]

the crusade didn't end too long ago

but it started a while ago

[pastel gazelle]

It's also... correct me if I'm wrong, but the crusade didn't have a defined triumphant end so much as it sort of petered out, correct?

[dusk laurel]

Yeah

[pastel gazelle]

so even if it only fully ended 20-30 years ago, things were probably falling apart before then.

[dusk laurel]

20 years ago was around when Azafure was destroyed

It ended even more recently

[pastel gazelle]

...also that makes it a bit more plausible that the pirates are former crusaders who were not ultra-loyal devotees to The Cause and were more career soldiers, and then found themselves suddenly unemployed with no marketable skills besides violence... but that doesn't fully explain why they don't show up until Hardmode.

maybe they were noodling around in the ocean until hardmode and needed Souls of Flight to get their pirate ship airborne (and thus their operations inland)?

[magic epoch]

i blame it on literally like half the world's population fucking dying

[dusk laurel]

I liked one of the lore writer's ideas where the airships we sometimes see in the background are chrysadian sky pirates

Since their whole civilization's gone

[pastel gazelle]

ooh, fun! ...and, if so, I want a pirate lore item even more. Even if Yharim feels no remorse towards the actions he's taken against the gods, it'd be interesting to see him taken to account (at least slightly) for the worshippers who were colateral damage in the war.

[gray tulip]

imagine we get some demonic loredrop in 9 years with the yharim update. he's like "How long has it been since the crusade...? 2 years? 3?"

[gray tulip]

alternatively: your little island didn't really matter and wasn't a target for pirate raids until you proved that you were powerful

wall of flesh dies and everyone on terraria snaps their head to your island like you walked into a bar in a western movie

[pastel gazelle]

Also possible!

[dusk laurel]

We're on a full continent btw

It's just we only see a small part of it ingame

[gray tulip]

i mean we have at least 3 horrifyingly close biomes that make very little sense being so close to each other so it makes sense

but our "full continent" is still a smaller part of the world given we see all those other islands in that one ocean background. i think. might be wrong.

[dusk laurel]

Those are also part of our continent

[pastel gazelle]

...I also think it would be entirely possible for different characters, when asked when the crusades ended, to give totally different answers and all be equally correct. Like... Yharon almost seems like he doesn't think they've outright ended, just sort of... stagnated.

[dusk laurel]

That's true

[gray tulip]

once the terrarian sets up a thriving community that won't immediately collapse i'd love to see the debates historians have

i could see an argument to be made that the crusade ended with draedon's involvement, but equally an argument that the crusades ended with the death of the last god at yharim's hands. but equally an argument that the crusades only ended when we kill yharim

(depending on your oc maybe the crusades kept going afterwards. or maybe its a new crusade that is historically distinct!)

[pastel gazelle]

Did you know that pigs can go feral after like... a single generation in the woods? Like, domesticated pigs are less than a decade away from being hairy and tusked and just Wild Animals staggeringly quickly.

...I ask this because I wonder if the clams in the Sunken Sea are in a similar situation of being formerly domesticated and having gone feral.

I don't know why I'm thinking about "magic feral clams" but it's a funny phrase, don't you think?

[robust osprey]

what if clams were never domesticated

[mighty zenith]

carnivore clams

[pastel gazelle]

I... think? some real clams are technically carnivorous but I'm not sure. (I say technically because I think they eat plankton.)

they eat basically anything small enough, so they're omnivorous.

[pliant ruin]

hiii

[mighty zenith]

haii

[pliant ruin]

how r we doing today lore char

[split mortar]

The “island” we play on is a full on continent

Its the ground zero of the crusade and is the second most lethal continent to be on before hard mode happens

[gray tulip]

I was mistaken, apologies

[jolly pilot]

The thing about insanity due to being unable to comprehend something in Lovecraft's works isn't due to how ugly something is, it's due to how incomprehensible or unbelievable it is.

The easiest way I could describe it would be if you are the only one in the world who can see something. You know it's real, in fact, it is real, but no one else can see it. Whenever you try to prove that it's real by waiting for it to affect something, it does absolutely nothing.

You try explaining that to someone, they'll think you're insane.

Going insane from an incomprehensible existence isn't due to its appearance, it's due to the fact that no one can understand it but you.

Because it's so incomprehensible, it can't even be explained. Even if you did try, no one would understand and they'd call you crazy.

Therefore:

Xeroc could've appeared as one of those brain rot skibidi whatever the hell kids are so into these days that made them look insane for even trying to explain it.

[dusk laurel]

[jolly pilot]

Alternatively, Xeroc could've more thoroughly screwed them over by appearing in different forms for each individual

So even the people who did see him alongside the others just looked crazy

Hell, he wouldn't have even had to turn into something monstrous, just... Wildly different

[pliant ruin]

Xeroc making those who look at him go crazy is old lore

He's just a guy

[cloud ibex]

yea i much prefer the idea that they intentionally choose humanoid-ish forms so it's easier for you to talk to them

feel like that fits better with the chill stoner energy i imagine them with

[dusk laurel]

It would make him more approachable, which is good because no one has seen him for at least a couple centuries

[pliant ruin]

he can change his form or smth because hes the Light God or smth cant he

[cloud ibex]

think so yes

[latent flower]

xeroc when i arrive with two perpendicular polarized light filters

(i am now untouchable)

[magic epoch]

pink floyd album cover

[latent flower]

🌈

[wheat walrus]

skibidi god

and this is why calamity mod scales to high outerverse level lowball because being incomprehensible means you're beyond logic which is outer which you transcend and are therefore high outer, xeroc nameless god is therefore high outer, this means slime god is also outer since they're both gods, devourer of gods eats both of them and therefore transcends them that's boundless dog

/j if that wasn't obvious

[cloud ibex]

☹️

[wheat walrus]

ofc it's you

🤌

[cloud ibex]

what does this mean

[wheat walrus]

nothing for you to comprehend

I have now upscaled myself to high outer

high boundless+ if you account me being the terrarian who kills devourer of universes who is stronger than devourer of gods

[dusk laurel]

[cloud ibex]

☹️

[pliant ruin]

holy shit italian

that emoji reminded me you're italian

[wheat walrus]

wow!

[mighty zenith]

omnitalia

[split mortar]

You just reminded me they are

[pliant ruin]

🍈 🔫 can i ask smth ive been meaning to ask to u

[split mortar]

Yuh

[pliant ruin]

wgy do u call like literally everyone a they

its smth ive noticed

[split mortar]

I dont know most peoples genders here so i just defaulted to calling everyone they

[magic epoch]

the enemy transcended beyond your control

the enemy transgendered beyond your control

[split mortar]

Guys yharim is above scal who is beyond any god, scal being boundless due to this and the enemy (you the terrarian) means you transcend a being above a boundless being

[mighty zenith]

boundful

[dusk laurel]

Mountain of Bodies

[split mortar]

No bot

Get nuked

[jolly pilot]

Is that so?

Dang.

I do like that he is just a guy though.

[pliant ruin]

hes still a god but just like any other god in the current iteration of the worldbuilding he was once just a normal person who ascended
not only that but as far as we know he's actually kinda chill

[cloud ibex]

i think it'd be a nice parallel to the other fucked up deities we meet throughout the game

SG is a weird little ball thing inside a slime cage, silva is a living corpse (although it's not really her fault), ravager is a corpse golem gorilla, providence is a flying rock fire creature thing

but the most powerful god of them all? literally just a person

[dusk laurel]

Why are you the god of noob

[latent flower]

they should make xeroc a big moth

that's my idea

[cloud ibex]

i got admin abused

[pliant ruin]

tragic

[pliant ruin]

his divine form being am oth would honestly be cool but it might be too close to provi

even if provi really aint all that moth-y

tho tbf

provi migth be redesigned so idk

[latent flower]

yess i think it would be awesome if provi got redesigned and then xeroc could be moth

provi could be like

uhh idk provi lore

xeroc doesn't need to be moth moth but he could have moth wings or something

gives himself moth wings either because its symbolic for him or because he thinks it looks dope

depending on how chill xeroc really is

[pliant ruin]

i think provi could do without the entire rocks and crystals and roots thing

i also think her looking like a literal angel of death would be badass because thats basically what she is

[latent flower]

yeag

ive got no idea what she's actually the god of

[pliant ruin]

someone who brings only death and destruction masked with pure intentions

[latent flower]

do we know owo

[pliant ruin]

we don't know exactly but probably ash

like most likely ash

almost certainlyu ash

[latent flower]

i seee,,

what the freak

bot destroyed

provis whole thing is very basically she's sad and hates the world and wants to destroy it all

i think kinda

[dusk laurel]

She wants revenge and to cleanse the world of pain

[latent flower]

would it be cool to see a silhouette burning at the core of her god form

the silhouette being like

actually providence

and the rest of her form is just the fire burning

shaped however she wants

assuming she is still all fiery

she could also just be 90% ashen

the fire is like representative of her hate and anger and desire for revenge and all that bad stuff

actualized by becoming a god

and provi was the first to be consumed by it

the biggest victim of provi's wrath is herself

so she's stuck there

burning at the core

[latent bolt]

half the boss is now a shitton of dust

monkey's paw

[latent flower]

☹️

[latent bolt]

your frames will go down by 10 when you fight her, but at least she is made up of dust

[latent flower]

she is defeated by a vacuum

or a mild breeze

[latent flower]

lunarcheese how do u feel about my celeri idea

your input is required

[pliant ruin]

its a pretty cool idea i think

[mighty zenith]

ties back into the christian God tbh

[austere spindle]

so uhm, lore speculation based on the YOMI Hustle Yharim mod is pretty valid no? since it does say it's lore-accurate?

[cloud ibex]

Ozz has been actively watching the project and participating with writing so yeah

Seems reasonable

[real silo]

Goddess of ash? More like goddess of dust...

[shrewd stream]

Goddess of profanity?

[wheat walrus]

broda did you check my dms from weeks ago 😭

[shrewd stream]

You sended me a dm?

[wheat walrus]

a while ago yea

[shrewd stream]

Uuuh

[manic coral]

I also had a little input, if that means anything

Not much though

[sleek halo]

for some reason

it wont let me click

the message ur responding to

so I hve no fucking clue what it’s about 😭

oh it’s because it’s on my screen

[sleek halo]

i mean

ur like…

head writer so

yeah lmao

[glad patrol]

Love that people would speculate lore on my mod

[mighty zenith]

oh hi

[sleek halo]

Lore starvation is real

[glad patrol]

lol

[manic coral]

oh hey there

grats on the release :D

[glad patrol]

👋

Thank you

[latent bolt]

is yomi hustle yharim canon

this is just a question being asked so that no one else needs to ask it

[sleek halo]

no…

I don’t imagine so

[latent flower]

im cei and yes

[sleek halo]

False

[real silo]

It's canon

We are both cei

[latent flower]

if you take out the ler in my name

[real silo]

Cei's full name is ceieste

[latent flower]

can confirm

!

[real silo]

I'm only half joking because she was ceIeste (with capital I not l) a really long time ago

[latent flower]

evil evil..

[sleek halo]

that checks out

[sleek halo]

It’s going to be nameless deity all over again

[pliant ruin]

didnt cei just say that she helped make it

[sleek halo]

yeah

but I don’t imagine that makes it canon

but absolutely could be similar

[split mortar]

Its lore accurate

[sleek halo]

likely

[wheat walrus]

it's as canon as some hypothetical crossover would be I imagine

[sleek halo]

yeah

[wheat walrus]

it's an event that happens based on the canon characters but doesn't actually happen within the canon timeline

[gray tulip]

I mean don't starve is necessarily canon to calamity lore. As is wherever the old ones army came from

[wheat walrus]

[sleek halo]

i assume u meant isn’t

as neither is

[gray tulip]

I meant is

[frigid sage]

In my first playthrough I used an OOA weapon for ML

Was that a mistake?

[pliant ruin]

Okay so

[sleek halo]

uhh

[pliant ruin]

Old ones army isnt from dont starve

And also it isnt canon

[sleek halo]

probably wrong place

[pliant ruin]

so uh

[gray tulip]

I know I said OR wherever

[frigid sage]

Ok

[pliant ruin]

Crossover content in general isn't canon

[gray tulip]

How is old ones army not canon, it's in the game

[pliant ruin]

Deerclops, Old One's Army, Etc

[sleek halo]

#help-advice-read-pins

[pliant ruin]

It's ingame but it's not canon to the worldbuilding and narrative

[wheat walrus]

you know what else is in the game :3

[frigid sage]

Same with donor items

[cloud ibex]

because explaining it in a reasonable way would be too much of a headache for the writers

[pliant ruin]

ingame you can also use journey mode to make the spawnrate 20x higher

that does not mean that the terrarian has the power to summon 20000 bunnies from the void

Unless you want them to ig

Either way point is

[wheat walrus]

last-second savior maneuver

[wheat walrus]

this I mean

[gray tulip]

That's mechanical, crossover content has a whole story in it. I think it's weird to have something in game and just say "no, it doesn't count"

[pliant ruin]

Due to calamity's nature as a mod for a sandbox game that dosen't have meaningful lore some elements will inherently have to be de-canonized for the sake of a proper story

err

not proper story

more like.... hmm

what word am i trying to find

[wheat walrus]

I understand this actually

[pliant ruin]

consistent?

[sleek halo]

consistency

like if you were to have it be canon

then like

old ones army and deerclops would be insanely important LOL

[pliant ruin]

It'd open up alot of unecessary and convoluted implications

[sleek halo]

for the soul reason of

[gray tulip]

I'm not saying its bad it's not canon, just that it's strange to have "non canon" parts of a game. The game is the Canon

[sleek halo]

they don’t come from this realm

[pliant ruin]

Calamity devs did not make terraria

They did not intentionally add old ones army or deerclops or etc

[gray tulip]

True

[pliant ruin]

They have the right to exclude it from calamity's storytelling because it wasn't their choice to have them there in the first place

[grizzled jetty]

ooa and ds content is not canon to calamity, but is canon to terraria i think

[sleek halo]

probably

but like

[wheat walrus]

yea

[sleek halo]

terraria lore is effectively non-existent

LOL

[gritty kraken]

guys what’s the lore behind deerclop

[real silo]

Deer kips

[sleek halo]

i’ll explode you

[real silo]

deer lops

[sleek halo]

you’ll be reduced to atoms

[wheat walrus]

ofc calamity won't just completely remove deerclops even if iirc fabsol loathes that thing and so do many others but it not being canon to the lore is fair game

[pliant ruin]

its a deer mutated by the divine essence of the god of eyeballs

[cloud ibex]

i think the distortion as a separate dimension would feel less special if the story was also like "oh yeah there's a bunch of those and some goobers invade from one of them at one point but it's only relevant for, like, five seconds dw about it"

[sleek halo]

yeah

Like

[gritty kraken]

god of eyeballs
dragon of eyelash
aight get it now

[sleek halo]

ext

my brain shut off

what the flip

[wheat walrus]

(also, a lot of games and movies/comics/etc tend to have questionable canonicity when it comes to crossovers, so yea)

[real silo]

Wrong

Dragon of vision

Or rather

Dragon of senses

[hoary berry]

dragon of specsavers

[gritty kraken]

Big nose

[gray tulip]

Terraria is a flawed foundation yeah. I personally believe that dev statements and authors notes or whatever don't matter because the only canon is what the media itself portrays, but I can acknowledge that it is a part of the story that is out of the writers control and the piece should not be judged too harshly

[wheat walrus]

I think that with Calamity lore, at least here, people place bit too much weight on dev statements especially if they're about future content that can get tweaks and be changed before being released

[gray tulip]

Also calamity isn't done. That's important

[sleek halo]

yea

[gray tulip]

To judge calamity is to judge a rough draft. It's good to judge a rough draft! So long as you know that's what you're doing

[sleek halo]

I mean the main thing is

cal is pretty limited for what you can do for its story

game not built around the story

[wheat walrus]

calamity isn't complete, but even the devs themselves said that all that is truly canon is what's in the game, their statements serve to know what may/will be canon if anything

[sleek halo]

story built around game

afaik at least

[gray tulip]

Stories built around game is how it should be for video games and amazing stories can be told in that method

[sleek halo]

heavily depends on stuff

[gray tulip]

All media should be created with the form in mind. You write a book knowing it's a book, you make a song knowing what limitations that brings and what advantages, etc.

[eager bluff]

very much depends on the story

[gray tulip]

If you're making a game, and the story is more important than the game, pick a medium that doesn't limit you the way a game does

[gray tulip]

I realize I worded my point poorly

The other 2 messages are better at elaborating

[latent flower]

every medium limits u

it does just depend on what the creator wants to do and how they feel the story is best experienced

[gray tulip]

I know I said "the way a game does"

And yeah you're right

[fair vortex]

i got a few questions regarding exo mechs/draedon

[deft valve]

ok

[fair vortex]

• what are exo prisms as a material? are they a fusion of debris left behind the exo mechs in their death? are they a naturally occuring resource modified by draedon or entirely synthesized by draedon?
• does draedon have any degree of control over the exo's behavior aside from changing what ai they have for when they "enrage"? does he deploy attacks for them or do they have their own separate processing and thought?

[deft valve]

ok

[split mortar]

Exo prisms are modified sea prisms and he can grow the sea prisms needed, theyre a natural resource modified

The exos have their own independent ai, ares blender attack is actually the robot improvising with a new substance (unstable miracle matter) draedon didn’t know of or tell them how to use

[fair vortex]

modified sea prisms????

that is crazy

also ares improvized with something draedon didnt even know existed?

[split mortar]

Yeah

Draedon didnt know of miracle matter

[fair vortex]

how the hell could ares wield it

[split mortar]

It worked on the fly, its ai determining the best use for this new substance at killing us

[sleek halo]

Like

Draedon has control over them, but he also knows they’d be better suited to let them fight in their own way working off their AI

otherwise why would he make the AI

[fair vortex]

no i mean if draedon didnt even know of miracle matter how did ares even come in posession of it

[fair vortex]

true

[split mortar]

Miracle matter is made by exotic resonance particles melting things into it, so ares was melting its insides to do that attack

[sleek halo]

well

“The power surges from the ongoing battle caused some of the Exo Prisms within to actuate, melting down some of the internal components into an unstable slurry of this so-called Miracle Matter. The altered resonance enhanced their attacks with a prismatic blight that disintegrates anything, organic or otherwise.”

It wasn’t intentional at all by the mechs

it seems it just

kinda got incorporated?

[fair vortex]

that is kinda scary

i mean

ares turned a severe malfunction into something so lethal it can split anything

i feel like the exos ai goes beyond just attacking

[split mortar]

Oh and why miracle matter is named that?

The terrarian stabilised it first so it got naming privileges and they suck at naming

[sleek halo]

yeah

[split mortar]

iirc they have the same style of artificial brain network as draedon does

[sleek halo]

(I mean tbf Draedon didn’t even time to do so seemingly LOL)

yk

I kinda wonder how strong an armored Yharon would be

he might honestly be on par with scal and the mechs

well depending on material

though his body does make it kinda tough to make

suitable armor that wont impede him

[split mortar]

Yharon seems to be using their agility a lot

So thin armour would prob do best

[sleek halo]

it would mostly be for vulnerable places

i don’t imagine he’s get a full suit lol

cosmolite would probably be the best material

since if DoG who needs to be yk

be able to turn fast to be effective

can use it then I assume Yharon would be able to

[spring helm]

The name’s not even bad, Draedon just dislikes it because he sees calling the fruit of his research a miracle as an insult

To all the hard work he’s done

[gray tulip]

Ok so crossover stuff isn't canon, makes sense
How about Martian madness?

[sleek halo]

yeah

[spring helm]

That’s canon

[sleek halo]

I mean for us it’s probably a fucking miracle it worked

LOL

[gray tulip]

Aliens are feasible (if not proven) within calamity's lore, but they tend to look. Cooler

[sleek halo]

yeah martians r canon

[gray tulip]

We have the interdimensional aliens like DoG and the intersolar aliens like the Astral infection presumably

[sleek halo]

well

yeah

[gray tulip]

So is Mars a thing

[sleek halo]

honestly astral infection is more like

[sleek halo]

astrophobia incarnate

[spare pier]

Eh, I don't think so

I think armor for Yharon would be basically useless

It'd need to be very light as to not impede his greatest strength which is his speed

[sleek halo]

iirc isn’t cosmolite light?

[spare pier]

And by that point his scales do just as good, if not a better job

Cosmilite is flexible

[sleek halo]

I mean it doesn’t seem to slow down DoG

[spring helm]

Cryonic is the one that’s light

[sleek halo]

but he also just

doesn’t obey our rules

[spare pier]

I don't think there's anywhere that mentions Cosmilite's weight

[sleek halo]

seemingly

[spare pier]

But even then, I mean

[pulsar trellis]

i mean bro just says no to physics

[spare pier]

DoG has a lot more muscle than Yharon so

I'm of the opinion that if Draedon mentioned DoG's x-ray

It'd be 90% muscle

[sleek halo]

yeah

I honestly imagine dog has like

effectively no internal organs

[wheat walrus]

muscular

[sleek halo]

maybe something resembling or similar to a brain

[wheat walrus]

what if DoG is like that one movie alien thing that is made up of pure muscle and nerve/brain

[sleek halo]

fair

[wheat walrus]

can't remember names

[sleek halo]

honestly the best type of armor Yharon could get

would be something made by draedon with cooling systems

[gray tulip]

I'd actually like spec Evo docs on the Astral infection, DoG, the dragonic descendents, etc.

[wheat walrus]

but it was this white looking almost slime dude that was literally just muscle and nerve that ate things and gradually grew and killed people in a spaceship

[sleek halo]

as to overcome the damage taken by engulfing himself in flames for extended periods of time

[wheat walrus]

didn't watch the entire movie but that was a funny guy

[sleek halo]

or at least minimize it significantly

I do wonder what the melting point for a lot of the metals are

[gray tulip]

Dumb high

[sleek halo]

honestly idk why

but I kinda imagine cosmolite has an inverse

it gets liquidy the colder it gets

[split mortar]

Maybe cause they plan for cosmilite to be liquid if they can get that ti work iirc

[gray tulip]

Astral infection infects stars
Stars do nuclear fusion
Astral infection creates Astral ore
So Astral ore needs to be able to withstand nuclear fusion at LEAST

[wheat walrus]

highest melting point in Celsius is like almost 4000C in real life, granted that's for how much the material has to heat up rather than how hot something hitting it would need to be (that depends quite a bit on transfer)

[sleek halo]

probably also because I imagine the Distortion as unimaginably cold

[split mortar]

Stars arent like irl…

[wheat walrus]

the stars in calamity aren't nuclear, they're made of mana

[split mortar]

They are made of mana

[pulsar trellis]

bucket of cosmolite

[spring helm]

If that ever becomes a thing, I wonder if they’ll add a bucket of unlimited cosmilite

[wheat walrus]

which is uhhh

funny

[gray tulip]

Didn't know that I don't play mage

[wheat walrus]

sigma

[sleek halo]

like horrendously so

if you were to throw a normal person in it they’d be dead within a minute type deal

[gray tulip]

So nuclear fusion isn't real is what I'm hearing because draedon doesn't use it and stars don't do it so fission is the only nuclear thing that's known about

Fitting that calamity lore features the destruction of the atom but not the creation of it

[wheat walrus]

nothing is eternal

[split mortar]

Sea and exo prisms create energy out if nothing so idk that may count as creation?

[wheat walrus]

ig

[wheat walrus]

wait holy shit yea

nothing is eternal

[sleek halo]

(I mean honestly fusion is probably worse than just…. using exo prisms)

[gray tulip]

Yeah draedon realistically just discovered exo prisms before fusion

[pulsar trellis]

fusion needs input energy exo prisms just straight up hands it to u for free

[gray tulip]

Skipped a step

[split mortar]

Isnt there a old ass calc from omni that said prisms were like 8 times better or something

[sleek halo]

idk

[gray tulip]

I like your pfp, jank

OMNI!?

[wheat walrus]

Yharon bestiary makes an important note about eternity not being truly eternal, devs mentioned that nothing being eternal is a major theme in calamity

[wheat walrus]

whjar

also yea I did a calculation on that but it was ancient

[gray tulip]

You were mentioned then spawned

[wheat walrus]

ancient ancient ancient

[wheat walrus]

I was alr here

but yea I do that thing of spawning a lot

[gray tulip]

You were in fact here...

I'm a little stupid it's fine

[pliant ruin]

i mean tbh i doubt that any of those except arguably draconic descendents didn't really evolve

[wheat walrus]

but there being no atom creation and only atom destruction is interesting here aight

[pliant ruin]

i understand the appeal tho bc i nerd out over sea serpent philogeny (aqua, desert scourge etc

[sleek halo]

Thenfirst part yea

second part means uh

[pliant ruin]

if this was already said i just realized chat didnt scroll and i may be stupid

[sleek halo]

hope the distortion gets fully sorted

[wheat walrus]

whar

oh yea

sorted

lmao

[gray tulip]

If they need someone to help write the spec evo for the distortion I am ALWAYS available/hj

[pliant ruin]

though i suppose if anything on the astral infection is a naturally evolved organism its the infection itself

whar

wrong reply

[sleek halo]

whar

[pliant ruin]

like everything else is just other beings melded into itself

but the infection could be some wack ass space microbe

[gray tulip]

Yeah imagine the different strains of Astral infection

[pliant ruin]

as for the distortion that place probably dosen't follow the laws of physics or taxonomy so

i mean i can only speculate

[wheat walrus]

distortion and the creatures there are the Calamity equivalent of Fatty in Monster Hunter :p

[sleek halo]

yeah

[pliant ruin]

but from what ive heard devs want to make it like

surreal esoteric area

[gray tulip]

I like this actually

[pliant ruin]

unfortunately everything related to the distortion right now is just fucking Purple

which is unfortunate.

[pulsar trellis]

the purple dimension

[sleek halo]

yeah

[pliant ruin]

i had to say it's unfortunate twice to emphasize how unfortunate it is

[sleek halo]

It’s all purpl

cosmolit

purpl

dog

purpl

signus

purpl

[wheat walrus]

different design philosophy
no mh-like explanations
straight up fantasy dragon

[sleek halo]

cv

purpl

It’s all fucking urpl

maybe when out of the distortion itnjust becomes purpl

[pliant ruin]

william afton realm

[pulsar trellis]

the blocks are purple
purple grass
purple backrgound
(corruption 2.0)

[pliant ruin]

distortion is in this weird place where what devs want to do with it is way different from what it originally was seemingly intended to be which to be honest was lame as fuck

like lets be so fr distortion in old calamity if it got added woulda just been a purple space dimension

[sleek halo]

yeah

if Noxus is purple

I riot

[gray tulip]

When i think of the distortion I think of this vast empty space with faint, moving stars and no ground

[spring helm]

Why he urple

[pliant ruin]

here's the thing
that's just space, though

that's the big problem with the old iteration of the distortion i think

it's just space.

[gray tulip]

"Just" space

[pliant ruin]

Yeah

Something that already exists, ingame, and if the distortion were to be aesthetically similar to Space there'd be no interesting reason for it to exist because all of its elements could easily be re-explained as just Things from Space

[sleek halo]

Yeah

yk what

[pliant ruin]

What devs actually seem to want to do, atleast from what ive heard from some lore writers, is way more interesting imo

[sleek halo]

I thought of an idea I vaguely like

[pliant ruin]

Colorful surrealist realm,,,

Things don't make sense here!!!!

[sleek halo]

which is pockets of drastically different temperatures

in the distortion

not consistent at all

[gray tulip]

Colorful surrealist Realm is cool but the vibe of DoG gave me more "vast cosmic loneliness" than The Faewild mixed with escher

I am willing to enjoy it though

[split mortar]

Well maybe theres fragments if feywilds in mostly vast cosmic lonliness?

[pliant ruin]

This would be cool

[pliant ruin]

All distortion creatures right now are just Purple Monster so you can't really tell much of its actual identity through them, from what ive gathered

might be wrong though

[spare pier]

Tbf the color purple isn't going anywhere, but it's pretty whatever all things considered

Purple is just the main color

[wheat walrus]

purple is cool

[spring helm]

Spoiler: the distortion is actually the cosmic microwave background. Because space and time are intrinsically linked, the folds in space where the Distortion lies are also folds in time. Noxus exists at the beginning of the universe’s creation and is reaching out to the future

[pliant ruin]

Purple itself being the main color is fine

[gray tulip]

What is bro yapping about

[pliant ruin]

It's just that right now there isn't anything else besides purple so you can't really

tell whats going on with the distortion

[split mortar]

Any guess is as good as mine

[spring helm]

🗣️ 🌌🌌🌌🌌

[wheat walrus]

this is interesting

now I present to you something else

DoG theme

(also Distortion being in some dystopian future makes it sound scarier)

[pliant ruin]

btw desert scourge and sunken scourge being closely related and more primitive and aquatic scourge being more distantly related and more derived is my idea, with all of them being in the greater sea serpent/scourge clade

[gray tulip]

DoG is just thr aquatic scourge from the timeline where you skip it in progression/j

[spring helm]

SCOURGE OF THE UNIVERSE

[sleek halo]

thinking of smthing

technically perfect consistency should be more alien than absolute chaos right??

[spring helm]

Wdym

[sleek halo]

like the concept of something being

the same

everywhere

nothing happens differently

no variation in the place at all

[wheat walrus]

Universal Collapse

[spring helm]

Heat death

I guess that would be very alien to the current world

[glad patrol]

Yes

It quite literally says so in the announcement

Lore accurate

[sleek halo]

well

lore accurate doesn’t mean canon but yeah that is

[glad patrol]

Well I guess not like

Yeah

He is accurate to the lore so what you see is like accurate to what he can do

[sleek halo]

probably things that differ is likely going to be the weapon

[glad patrol]

Yeah

I had fun making him

Fun character

To make that is

[sleek halo]

he seems fun to play

[glad patrol]

Do you have yomi hustle?

[sleek halo]

yea

I was waiting for this mod lmao

[glad patrol]

Oh lmao

Well I’m flattered

It always surprises me that people want to play my mods

[sleek halo]

well uh

u now got a lot of ppl who do

[glad patrol]

Lmao

[dusk laurel]

I really like this direction that they're taking

[cloud ibex]

my meme theory that Noxus is basically the Child from Grime grows ever more likely......

[split mortar]

The what

[cloud ibex]

ok so

grime is a metroidvania where the entirety of the game takes place in the corpse of an ancient gigantic entity known as the Worldparent

the Child is... well, the Worldparent's child that's sealed away at the bottom of an area inside the Worldparent known as the Childbed

[stoic gulch]

The game grime?

Holy shit I hate lag

[cloud ibex]

the Child doesn't really exist? it's kinda conscious but it only really manifests as some vague lines of dialogue referred to as "memories", but it's stated that it's essentially leeches the Breath (basically the life force of everything) from its' surroundings so it can "become"

the premise of the meme theory is essentially that Noxus is somehow the child of the World Soul and the distortion mafia are manifestations of its' subconscious trying to reclaim all the recycled auric souls/godly essence so it can idk become a new world soul or something

[cloud ibex]

yes

[green pulsar]

is the dragon god still part of the lore

[split mortar]

No

[mighty zenith]

it hasnt even been part of the mod for years

[frigid sage]

When was that ever a thing?

[calm patio]

years ago

3 future bosses, Ancient doomsayer, Devourer of universes and Dragon God, Yharon

which theyre removed

[frigid sage]

Ah

I heard of them

[split mortar]

Just stat boosted versions of the bosses that gave pitiful stats to the olayer on defeat

[light linden]

again I think the concept of them is cool but the execution was shit

[dusk laurel]

A lot of people think this

They couldn't really make any contributions to the mod, and would only act as extra bosses that aren't even needed

[mighty zenith]

they shouldve been left as a "what if"

[dusk laurel]

Garbo if you're sucha cool dude, why is your pfp on fire

[split mortar]

Cause its a photo of aureus and not garbo

[dusk laurel]

Why are you defending then all of a sudden

This is clearly the symptoms of sleep deprivation

[split mortar]

They love a hot mess

[dusk laurel]

Go to bed, NOW

[split mortar]

[dusk laurel]

It's well past midnight for you meloneater

[split mortar]

:(

[mighty zenith]

thats right

they are quite hot

[split mortar]

Hot (derogatory)

[mighty zenith]

||literally, they're on fire||

[dusk laurel]

Spoiler alert

This message was fire

[split mortar]

Spoiler alert
Aureus is shit

[dusk laurel]

Wrong

[spring helm]

future bosses return: Undying Flame Providence

[split mortar]

Calamity what if addon when

[dusk laurel]

In your mind

[split mortar]

[amber cedar]

[cosmic zenith]

I think Future bosses could've worked better if they had a more mystical aspect to them like the Dream bosses

Imagine having to find secret libraries so you can pull together a ritual to summon said bosses from their alternate timelines

[split mortar]

There is a decent amount of stuff for what ifs for the alt timeline things anyways

[cosmic zenith]

And instead of being actual alternate timelines, it's more like alternate fates
Less of a different, chronology-based scenario, it was like tempering with fate in an underlying, timeless mana field where "alternate timelines" are like whispers of what could have been

So it's not time travel - it's you basically creating a magical entity from an underlying force of clairvoyance

Natural sciences my ass, my homies be messing with the magical sciences

[spring helm]

i mean it's basically natural science for Calamity

[frozen zodiac]

"I tried for all my life to reach the secrets of the dragons, but when I found it after ages of search, fear consumed me from the possible consequences of using it at my own hands. I continued my journey to become the strongest wizard of all, but what now? The world is in ruins, and is it truly my fault I never acted? Perhaps my use of that magic would have only caused a darker future I could never foresee.
Heed my words, warrior. The actions you do not take have endless possibilities in how they did not change the future of the world."

[cosmic zenith]

More or less

At least from my perspective, mana and magic get a lot more esoteric and metaphysical the deeper you get into it

At surface level, it's using energy to do shit
But the iceberg goes deep

I don't have this translated but it's too cool not to share

"I'm neither human sciences nor natural sciences. I'm magical sciences."

[cosmic zenith]

For example, this idea that, due to its timeless nature, the mana field can actually be used as clairvoyance and maybe even access alternate fates is something I intend to write about
(Though not officially, I think it might be too much for Cal)

#calamity-update-talk message

[gray tulip]

I just realized that it says "as a phoenix, rebirth was part of yharon's domain" or smth like that

what was yharim's domain

like in totality

[eager bluff]

rebirth but not solely limited to himself

[gray tulip]

wording feels weird if thats the case

but i imagine devs have outright said yharon's domain is rebirth

[eager bluff]

idr

[dusk laurel]

Yeah they have

[eager bluff]

oh i think i know what the confusion stems from

[light linden]

He's the only being that can defy death and bring others back from the dead perfectly

Basically

[eager bluff]

phoenixes can revive and since yharon is a phoenix he can also revive so his domain is naturally rebirth

[sinful adder]

Wait why is it "as a Phoenix"

That's not how domains work

[gray tulip]

and also it says rebirth is a part or a portion of the domain which implies that its not the full domain! but its probably just some kinda awkward wording

also, am i correct in assuming that there was a dragon of fire and the torch god has its auric soul

[dusk laurel]

Nope

[sinful adder]

No

[eager bluff]

dragon of fire is what provi ate

[sinful adder]

There was a dragon of fire but-

[dusk laurel]

Torch god is just a funky thing

[light linden]

Half right

[sinful adder]

That

[dusk laurel]

Not an actual god

[sinful adder]

Torch god is basically not canon. It can exist as something that isn't a god

[light linden]

Torch god is as enigmatic as Xeroc but not as powerful as them

[dusk laurel]

Providence, goddess of who knows what

[light linden]

I think rage, some people think fire, others think ash

[dusk laurel]

She can't be flame

Since no perfect ascension

[light linden]

Ik but that doesn't stop people from thinking that

[dusk laurel]

Rage doesn't fit Provi imo

[gray tulip]

well if she has the auric soul of fire her domain can be specifically the profaned flame can't it?

[dusk laurel]

She seems more like a calm and collected psychopath

[gray tulip]

since theres like 9 types of fire in terraria she only gets one

[dusk laurel]

Dedicated on her goal of "revenge" and also getting rid of pain and sorrow

If she was a goddess of rage, it would have a chance of making her less calculated

Since she would view Yharim as doing the exact opposite of what she desires from killing people

And so she wouldn't just ambush him whenever she attacked

The only wrathful thing she does that we know is when she attacked us, but that's because we killed her closest compatriots

[gray tulip]

what is this btw? is this an actual thing?

[dusk laurel]

Ye

[sinful adder]

It's kind of speculation but also been talked about by lore writers

[dusk laurel]

Perfect ascensions allow you to keep the same domain as the dragon

And maybe more?

[light linden]

Perfect means you're very strong and have the same domain as the dragon

[sinful adder]

Two gods got the same domain as their dragon and are also way more powerful than normal

[dusk laurel]

Silva and Xeroc are in the top 3 of the strongest gods we know

And they both perfectly ascended

[spring helm]

we know how strong silva is?

[light linden]

She's immortal for one

[dusk laurel]

It's been mentioned twice that she is in third place iirc

[dusk laurel]

Smth smth elemental abilities

[sinful adder]

Roughly

[light linden]

Like incapable of dying and can supposedly create living things on her own

[sinful adder]

Wait then what's the second strongest god

[dusk laurel]

Shakidou

Space god

[light linden]

Geometric space

Specifically

[sinful adder]

Oh right

[dusk laurel]

Idfk Shakidou was just goated, that's why they were the 2nd strongest ever

Also manipulating the area around yourself can be quite useful

[tall delta]

bloody mammoth

[spring helm]

Yharim beat god number 2 and 3, because he's the GOAT

unfortunately, Xeroc is even more goated with the sauce so no one can step up to them

[gray tulip]

i like that either the writers haven't decided on a gender yet, or xeroc is canonically nonbinary

[tall delta]

xeroc for some reason being the only god who trained++ ultra mega hard

[dusk laurel]

They were on the grind

[gray tulip]

i'm of the opinion, given the lore currently in game, that xeroc was not a bad person

[brisk orbit]

hello

where do i find calamity lore

like not the doc

but other stuff

like braelor and statis

[tall delta]

xeroc is not actually bad he is just

[brisk orbit]

fully red the doc

[tall delta]

dumb

[dusk laurel]

Lore items and bestiary

[brisk orbit]

none of them mentioned

[dusk laurel]

They are

[brisk orbit]

those were in the docs too

[brisk orbit]

my memory must be fuzzy

i think statis was mentioned

[dusk laurel]

Signus lore item

[brisk orbit]

but like who is braelor

[dusk laurel]

And also Draetalk exo mechs entry

[gray tulip]

i didnt know there was a doc, i will continue ignoring it

[dusk laurel]

Champion of Silva

Goddess of life

[brisk orbit]

Red all of that

yeah i know silva shes the goddess of life and shes like the reason why most of the abyss is plentiful with life no?

ill try finding it myself

thank you thi

😭

[spring helm]

probably because he got to hang out in space away from everyone else

i'd assume the other gods had to deal with each other, which gets in the way of training

[gray tulip]

unless its dragon ball logic where all fighting is training

[tall delta]

what If we asked draedon to make a time machine(one use only to make things fair) went back to the draconic era, killed the dragon of flame, water, earth and wind, fused their auric souls, learn the ritual and become the elemental god and then kill xeroc

[spring helm]

ok but why

[tall delta]

To kill xeroc

[gritty kraken]

“What are you talking about terrarian”

[gray tulip]

jesse what are you talking abotu

[gray tulip]

i like that the ultimate bosses so far are a highly advanced techno-robot and a highly fantastical magic-witch

its a cool parallelism

[gray tulip]

how does the guide fit into the lore? why's he connected to the wall of flesh

[dusk laurel]

He's an Azafurian, I think we'll get more dialogue that elaborates on this

Since Rebecca gave us a snippet a while back

Azafure was pretty involved in the making of WoF, so I think a lot of connections can already be made, but the guide seems to have just been a normal civilian

[gray tulip]

makes sense

also whats going on with calamitas's brothers? why do they look like that

[dusk laurel]

Likely something to do with how necromancy is imperfect

And also Calamitas probably making them more durable and powerful since they naturally aren't that large

And I don't think they learned enough or any magic to create those projectiles

[gray tulip]

oh so they're necromantified

[dusk laurel]

Yeah she indirectly killed them when she was fighting Brimmy

And also the rest of the city

[soft geyser]

Imagine if scal was not hot headed

[manic coral]

literally directly stated in Embers

goddess of ash

which i cosndier to be

offical enough

even if it's not canonical

seeing, as, uh

yeah

a providence victory obviously doesnt happen

honestly a little suprised people haven't dug a bit more into it, ngl

maybe im just used to watching the silksong community over the past week

[plucky juniper]

okay but now you just gave me everything i need to come up with a future boss variant of providence

[manic coral]

why do you think me coming up with that was inspired by

i mena

[sinful adder]

I didn't know there was any other lore about that besides what was in game

[manic coral]

it's a theoretic providence victory where she becomes at LEAST the 3rd strongest

[manic coral]

yes but no

Embers, the shrot story i wrote i was tlaking about

which

if you wanna read it if you aint

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sOIzU-3BE3gVGlReWoJGt12ZiMpj3bqYjeydjvbWY9c/edit?usp=sharing

while obviously due to its circumsatnces

is not canon

is absed off of actual canonical detials and uses them

like obviously this outcome never happened in-canon

[sinful adder]

I see

You misspelled something

"She recalled her cattle with the cosmic behemoth after her comrades fell to it."

Anyways, interesting

[real silo]

no you see providence and moon lord had a farm and raised some cows as cattle

[stoic gulch]

Thought it was horses?

[real silo]

Cattle can be any farm animal iirc

[pliant ruin]

oh you posted it publicly

nice

[split mortar]

They did that like, a few days ago

[pliant ruin]

wouldnt say she is

except probably when she was in the yharmy

but even then i think its less so hotheadedness and more so zealotry

[fair vortex]

sometimes i wonder what prompted draedon to put up the terrarian with a worm after seeing them get through a grand total of 8 or so worms with flying colors

like

"yeah. surely the 9th worm shall get them"

[random mulch]

he wanted to make wormbe

he made wormbe

[mighty zenith]

do not question the wormbe master

[thick slate]

worb

[real silo]

He wanted a worm with deathrays

[split mortar]

The destroyer was simply that guy

[real silo]

No other worm had deathrays

[fair vortex]

fair

but like

draedon WORKED with a worm he equiped with cosmilite in draedons name

not draedons name

yharims name

brainfart

he knew the full extent of a serpent and its powers/mobility

seeing as on tier devourer of gods is FAR more lethal than on tier thanatos

i feel like thanatos is meant to be more of a support mech

while ares and the hunters execute focused assaults during a fight

[real silo]

Thanatos is versatile because it just has that many lasers

[split mortar]

iirc thanatos us the tank of the mechs

[real silo]

it can either focus fire on one target or take down 100 targets at once

[fair vortex]

thats true

[split mortar]

Being made of a heavier and much much mire durable material that had to be “grown” by plasma jets

[fair vortex]

i wonder what gods the exos were put up against

[real silo]

none (all the gods are dead)

[split mortar]

None

They were completed during our playthrough

[real silo]

by the time the exos were made

[split mortar]

Or shortly before

[real silo]

and evidently they didn't encounter provi or slime god

Given we found and killed them first

[fair vortex]

oh i thought draedon let gods fight his mechs cause he said that youre about to fight machines that overcame gods or something like that

i forgot how the line went

[split mortar]

They equal scal and scal is above all gods except xeroc

And draedon doesnt know of xeroc

[real silo]

draedon is a powerscaler

[split mortar]

[fair vortex]

i see

forgive me for asking but who is xeroc

like

i see his name so much yet i dont know shit about him

the only lore i sort of understand is the lore among in game bosses

[split mortar]

First god, god of primordial light and likely protector of the planet

[fair vortex]

and even that isnt something i fully understand

[split mortar]

And also the atrongest character in calamity

Without competition

[fair vortex]

oh wasnt he the guy that absorbed an auric soul for the first time ever