lore-discussion

[thick slate]

easier way of saying it

[split mortar]

Scrapped design that no longer can be implimentes

[untold oracle]

Yeah they’re scrapped designs that somehow made to the relics anyways
Yharon’s relic has a text something like "A glimpse into what will be" because it uses the future design Yharon will get

[hoary cape]

It was planned to be added when they made that relic

But then a bunch of those sprites got scrapped

[worn roost]

At the end of the underworld

[split mortar]

Crags?

[worn roost]

There's this more burnt red place

[split mortar]

The brimstone crags

[gaunt sluice]

hell yea

[worn roost]

Oh so that's what it's called?

[split mortar]

Yeah

[worn roost]

I didn't know but I figured out already what happen to ut

[split mortar]

Its the outskirts of the destriyed azafure city i think

[worn roost]

And why it looks to destroyed

[gaunt sluice]

it got frickin rekt

[worn roost]

It's cuz of this brimstone monster right?

[split mortar]

Yeah brimstone elemental awoke and destriyed shit

[gaunt sluice]

fire lady and other fire lady

[worn roost]

Other fire lady?

[split mortar]

Scal tried to stop

Turns out being 11 isnt a good way ag stopping her

[split mortar]

Scal

[gaunt sluice]

as it turns out fighting fire with fire gains you absolutely nothing

[worn roost]

Scal?

[gaunt sluice]

supreme calamitas

[split mortar]

Supreme witch calamitas

[worn roost]

Oh

[dusk laurel]

wires

[worn roost]

And who's calamitas?

Another brimstone elemental?

But

[gaunt sluice]

are there pictures in this chat

[worn roost]

Bigger?

[gaunt sluice]

its this person

[worn roost]

Oh

[worn roost]

Well she don't look so bad!

[gaunt sluice]

she painful

[worn roost]

Oh

[gaunt sluice]

she burned away an ocean once

[mighty zenith]

shes like the fourth strongest creature in the world

[worn roost]

Oh so she's not so cute

[mighty zenith]

[worn roost]

Got it

[pliant ruin]

she sorta was manipulated into being a war criminal as a kid and then when she grew up she realized oh shit maybe we're the baddies and now isolates herself in some cave because shes kinda depressed over the entire assisting a genocidal lunatic thing

[mighty zenith]

no no she is cute

but shes also uhh

yeahh what cheese said

[dusk laurel]

Cave dweller

[gaunt sluice]

yeah this is a good way to put it

[worn roost]

Oh ok

Wait

[gaunt sluice]

then you fight her and she gives up amd makes you build her a house'

[worn roost]

Burned away the ocean

[manic coral]

a sea

[split mortar]

A human who somehow gained equal power of brimstone elemental when the elemental awoke, they tried stopping them from destroying the city but fire vs fire ends with just more destruction and azafure was destroyed

She joins yharim as a young teen and gets manipulated to destroy illmeris and more but breaks off shortly after being tild to kill her adoptive father (permafrost)

She fights us cause her trauma of yharim and her trhinking we are becoming yharim 2 causes her to not think rationally

[worn roost]

Sulfer

[dusk laurel]

No

[manic coral]

not an ocean

[gaunt sluice]

o alr

mb

[manic coral]

no nfi she burned away that one then

[light linden]

Hi cei

[manic coral]

it wouldnt be a sea anymore

[dusk laurel]

She burned a giant aquifer

[manic coral]

the water would be gone

[split mortar]

No, sunken sea used to be like twice as big

[gaunt sluice]

did the sunken sea ever reach the surface

[mighty zenith]

no

[dusk laurel]

No

[manic coral]

how would it the top is a downwards slope

[worn roost]

Oh ok

[mighty zenith]

its always been underground

there just was more of it

[light linden]

ngl

[split mortar]

Yeah

[light linden]

I wonder where the antlions came from

[gaunt sluice]

yea I was never sure whether or not that was just poor worldgen\

[worn roost]

Oh ok I remember one of the oceans being made atta sulfer so I thought she was the cause of that ocean but ig not

[pliant ruin]

the sulfur sea is just stinky because of industrial fumes coming from below

[pliant ruin]

i mean

the surface desert was still a desert

[light linden]

and the nuclear bombs

[pliant ruin]

and we see antlions in the surface

[gaunt sluice]

and draedon deciding it was a good nuclear trash can

[pliant ruin]

so i assume they just, had a big boom in population when they gained a larger range to inabhti

[dusk laurel]

Yeah

[gaunt sluice]

wait so is Cal's current power the original power of the Brimstone elemental and then brimmy dwindled or did Cal like harness it and then go through magical puberty

[split mortar]

We dunno

Though destroying a city is post ml level so uh, take that how you will
-# i subscribe to the scal sponge theory

[manic coral]

cal is currently stronger than brimmy in her prime was

[gaunt sluice]

oh alr cool

[split mortar]

Brimmy dont seem all that smart so thats fair

[gaunt sluice]

hoinestly

if I was a fire elemental

i'd probably be pissed at everything too

like, you're always too hot at night

when you're tryina frickin sleep

[dusk laurel]

👎

You need to get on the elemental grindset

[mighty zenith]

elemental grindset:
sleep
sleep
KILL
repeat

[dusk laurel]

TRUE

[gaunt sluice]

can you imagine that tho

just always feeling like you have a 2000 degree fever

[split mortar]

Bot got nuked

[worn roost]

What is up with this space place?

I was heading to the snow area

So i can get the cool whip

[split mortar]

Astral infection?

[worn roost]

Well

It did had astral in its name of the enemys

So ig yea

[split mortar]

When stars are left too long the astral infection will form in them

Normally deus eats the stars before they can get infected but this time had eaten a infected star and got mind controlled, being forced to throw the infected star at the planet and guard the crater while the infection had infected the rest of the land

Stars in calamity are like meteors of raw mana that orbit the planet

[worn roost]

Ohhhhhh ok

That's real cool

But now there's a problem

It completely took over the ice lands

So now I cant get the ice whip

[split mortar]

Rip

[gaunt sluice]

purifimication

wait

what are the lore implications of mana forming a weak consciousness from a dead star

[split mortar]

The universes haunted

[gaunt sluice]

fair enough

mage bacteria

[keen vector]

leviathan anahita doomed yuri

[limpid saddle]

?????

what

That's a fish & a puddle shaped like a woman

do we even know what biological sex the leviathan is?

[calm patio]

what?

[limpid saddle]

Better question; does it even have one?

[limpid saddle]

i dont know

[dusk laurel]

[limpid saddle]

[spring helm]

it fits my narrative better if anahita and leviathan were both women, so they are

[limpid saddle]

What did they mean by this

[keen vector]

i thought leviathan was canonically female but now i’m questioning

cause ider where i got that from…

[limpid saddle]

Yeah, there is absolutely no source for that

We don't even know if the mf's sentient

We have barely any information about the Leviathan

[spring helm]

doomed yuri

[limpid saddle]

It is a creature shrouded in mystery

[limpid saddle]

IT'S A FUCKING FISH

[spring helm]

fish can be female

[limpid saddle]

THE POINT IS THAT IT IS LITERALLY A MASSIVE FISH THEY MAY NOT EVEN BE SENTIENT NOT THAT IT CANT BE FEMALE

[keen vector]

not backing down on this btw

[limpid saddle]

[stark basalt]

hell yeah

[limpid saddle]

[spring helm]

Leviathan could be sentient too you dont know

[limpid saddle]

i'd rather not camp myself down in ships that are foundationally unstable & potentially built on beastiality

& even if they were, this is still the weirdest possible route to take in comprehending their relationship

Like all cursive, slanted level 𝓯𝓻𝓮𝓪𝓴𝔂

[spring helm]

ok you've convinced me

[cloud ibex]

the game

[cloud ibex]

also 💥💥💥💥💥💥💥

don't be weird thanks

[limpid saddle]

thanks for coming in saint

i really thought i was losing it for a second there

[dusk laurel]

[light linden]

[sinful adder]

nah, I ship it

its not like its any weirder than yharon x yharim

[limpid saddle]

what the fuck

i hate it here

[cloud ibex]

☹️

[limpid saddle]

you're all grade-a capital 𝓯𝓻𝓮𝓪𝓴𝔂 & i hate you for it

[sinful adder]

I was about to say

I am in fact "freaky" so take whatever I say with a massive spoonfull of salt

seasalt, if you will

[cloud ibex]

both are weird!!!!! shut up!!!!!!!!

[limpid saddle]

thank you for speaking true saint

[sinful adder]

I won't talk about it further, dw

...but I wanted it to be said

[limpid saddle]

You really shouldn't've, though

[dusk laurel]

Rightful, divine punishment

[spring helm]

Is mana a physical thing

It must be right?

Stars are made from it

[sinful adder]

I think it is as physical as electricity

it is real in a tangible sense, but follows rules that do not match our intuition

[limpid saddle]

Well stars can be crystalized & congealed into pure, edible(?) mana so

i dunno

[sinful adder]

I think it is like matter but not made of atoms

[dusk laurel]

Why the long face

[split mortar]

What counts as matter and not matter

[sinful adder]

uh

bad wording

I mean that it acts like matter as we know it, despite being fundamentally different

it can form a material that acts like a solid, liquid, or gas, but which lacks any underlying atoms as we know them

it could be seen as a fundamental force or property like electric charge, or it could be seen as something not quite like that

[split mortar]

Ah ok

[high lynx]

do the stars in calamity make gravity

[split mortar]

I imagine so

[high lynx]

then is is because they have mass or some other magic related reason

[split mortar]

Id imagine it has mass, a star caused a crater after all

[high lynx]

well that one was infected so it could have been the other thing that made the crater

but if it was the base star then mana has mass

[manic coral]

I mean normal fallen stars even cause an audible thump

[high lynx]

or at least can

[split mortar]

The astral infection is alao mana i think

But also fallen stars deal a lot if damage

[split mortar]

And deal like 1K damage

[pastel gazelle]

...I understand nobody likes biome spread but it is super weird that the Astral Infection, which corrupts everything it touches, with every piece of its lore being "look at how it can corrupt and infect and change even inanimate matter", does not spread.

[high lynx]

so is a mage heavier than a melee user

[dusk laurel]

The #1 predator of a king slime

Fallen stars

[split mortar]

Well lore wise when completely left by itself

Astral shrinks

[dusk laurel]

Mana conglomerates and contracts

[split mortar]

As all mana does

[pastel gazelle]

...huh.

[split mortar]

Mana shrinks

Astral is a mana

[pastel gazelle]

That said, it's not being left alone because it's full of animals which exist to spread the infection per their lore, and also wild animals might wander in.

[high lynx]

if you can hold mana (via mana stars and crystals) can somebody like draedon not use mana in his machines

wait theory

the player regains mana naturally

[pastel gazelle]

Who's to say he isn't?

[high lynx]

do they get it from sunlight?

[high lynx]

from what i know he doesnt

[split mortar]

Primordial light is much stronger then what we use

[pastel gazelle]

The text on the wulfrum prosthesis in particular makes it clear that "magic versus technology" isn't a dichotomy that meaningfully exists.

[high lynx]

no i mean literally the sun

[split mortar]

Sunlight is primordial light

[high lynx]

so is primordial light just mana

or do stars create primordial light

[dusk laurel]

Specifically the sun

[split mortar]

We dunno
It could be its own massively stronger force or anither type of mana

[split mortar]

They dont

Just the sun

[high lynx]

then how does the terraria gain mana

[split mortar]

The sun is much larger and different to stars

[high lynx]

and why does star in a bottle increase

[split mortar]

Mana may just be in the air

[light linden]

kinda wonder if supernovas are a thing

[dusk laurel]

[split mortar]

Would probably require irl stars to exist

Of which we dont know if they do or not

[light linden]

I mean

[high lynx]

if i blew up a star would that count as a supernova

[split mortar]

Idk

[dusk laurel]

Nah

[light linden]

actually how the hell did complex elements come to exist

e.g. uranium and lead

they need supernovas

[high lynx]

is there uranium in calamity

[split mortar]

Draedon left active nukes in the sulphurous sea so i imagine so

[light linden]

there's nuclear bombs

so likely

[split mortar]

-# gunk zero will drop a nuke

[high lynx]

well that just needs radiation and fission and stuff

theres other ways to do that than uranium

[split mortar]

Yeah and irl stars cant get past iron iirc

[dusk laurel]

I love iron cores

[high lynx]

and dragons dont exist irl actually

so...

i'd have to go to calamity to test any of these scientific theories

i wonder if the stuff you breath in calamity is even the same as air here

[light linden]

neutron stars:

[split mortar]

Dont they form after a supernova

[light linden]

usually yes

[split mortar]

Just that there wasnt enough for s black hole

[dusk laurel]

Neutron stars are stars, but they aren't normal

[light linden]

but I believe that there's one that supposedly formed as one on its own

at least I remember reading that a long time ago

[high lynx]

frankly i dont even know if the people in terraria are human

[dusk laurel]

Well uh

A lot of the characters are human

[split mortar]

-# then why things called terrarian?

[high lynx]

but not the same human as me

[split mortar]

Like the terrarian

Our character

[high lynx]

we'd have to cut one open and see if they have the same stuff inside

[dusk laurel]

The planet is called Terraria, you can just assume it's an overarching term for sapient species

[split mortar]

omg guys slime king is a terrarian

[high lynx]

well there are azafurians

[dusk laurel]

To the eels

Azafurians are human

[high lynx]

dure

sure

[split mortar]

Damn
Eel pit in 2025???

[dusk laurel]

Yes

[split mortar]

A rarity sadly

[dusk laurel]

The main lore writer has confirmed this

Azafurians are just a different race

[high lynx]

well i dont have a terrarian to open up and compare biology to an irl human

[split mortar]

Well considering magic exists
I think cal having horns and still being human is fine

[high lynx]

so until then i cannot say i could even survive in terraria

[spring helm]

I thought Cei said they were humans

[dusk laurel]

Yes

[split mortar]

Cei is the lead writer iirc

[dusk laurel]

It's literally in her description

[split mortar]

Bwaaa

[magic epoch]

how tf do you scale terrarian (as in town npc)

[spring helm]

The humanity of Azafurians is in a quantum superposition of being both human and not human and will remain so until in-game lore confirms which one it is

[magic epoch]

dies to fucking cacti balls

[high lynx]

do plants photosynthesize

[magic epoch]

🫸🫷

[spring helm]

I think so, you can’t grow trees underground right?

[split mortar]

Tbf thats a 4 ft ball of spike rolling at you fast

[high lynx]

gem trees

[dusk laurel]

They're on average like 5-6 feet according to the lengths one of the measuring devices

[magic epoch]

iwmean nasty cholla

[split mortar]

Gem trees

Though gems are cursed iirc

[spring helm]

Those ain’t regular trees, the got gem magic

[high lynx]

and do they photosynthisize whatever the sun puts out?

is the sun even hot

[dusk laurel]

Yes

[split mortar]

We dunno

All we know is that the magma in the crags (and thus mantis shrimp punches) are hotter then the sun

Well suns surface

[high lynx]

and i can sit in that stuff for a while

abyss is more dangerous

[split mortar]

.

Cei mentions it there

Anyways i go sleep bai

[high lynx]

wait wait wait

[split mortar]

?

[high lynx]

the sun orbits around the planets in calamity?

[dusk laurel]

Yes

It orbits Terraria

[spring helm]

Hasn’t it been said multiple times here that the sun used to be so hot that humans couldn’t live on the surface

And then Xeroc cooled it down a bit

[dusk laurel]

Yeah

[split mortar]

Thats the suns light (even then turbo skim cancer is a thing)

Also

[dusk laurel]

skim

[high lynx]

so sun does not generate gravity?

[dusk laurel]

Like

[high lynx]

or is the planet just more massive

[split mortar]

I assume this

[dusk laurel]

What if the sun is just smaller

[spring helm]

The moon has it’s own gravity too but it still orbits the earth

[dusk laurel]

Yeah

[high lynx]

massive as in has more mass

i never said bigger

[dusk laurel]

Okay

Then yeah i can see that

[split mortar]

Well the planet does have more mass thus it is orbited by moon and sun

[high lynx]

now i wonder what the biggest star is

and if stars are generaly lighter than planets or just this one

[split mortar]

Many many stars orbit the planet

[dusk laurel]

I mean

[split mortar]

Since deus feasts on them

[dusk laurel]

You see stars fall from the sky at night all the time

And also the astral meteor

[high lynx]

mana must not weigh all that much

[split mortar]

Yeah it prob doesnt

[high lynx]

also why do fallen stars disappear in daytime?

gameplay mechanic?

[spring helm]

Do they orbit the planet or just exist in space close enough to be seen

[spring helm]

Primordial light deletes them (I’m making this up)

[high lynx]

seems like they orbit

[spring helm]

Why do you think they orbit

[split mortar]

We dont know for sure

I imagine its just that even tiny bits of PL can literally pierce uncontrolled mana like fallen stars and tear them apart into the mire stable gaseous or liquid forms idk

[split mortar]

They seem very orbity to me

[high lynx]

^

[spring helm]

Isn’t that referring to the sun, not the stars

[dusk laurel]

Yeah

[high lynx]

so the sun is not a star?

[dusk laurel]

It's not the same

It's very different from what we know about both right now

[spring helm]

The sun emits primordial light

No other star does that

As far as we know

[high lynx]

the more i learn about terraria the more i realize why draedon doesnt care to leave

this is the most scientifically interesting place in the universe that we know of

i wonder what kind of creation stories ancient cultures had

[spring helm]

“This planet is so full of research opportunities, the wider cosmos must hold even greater potential.”

Builds telescope
Looks
Finds fucking nothing

“Guess I’ll stay here”

[dusk laurel]

So real

[high lynx]

if gods only existed after the draconic era, did no cultures ever get to believe in a god of creations? like one that made the universe

i wonder if draedon will give us a creation of the universe theory

like the big bang

and maybe a sun/star inquiry

[spring helm]

The dragons were right there

They probably knew how the world was born

[high lynx]

But what about the rest

[spring helm]

True

[high lynx]

I wonder if early humans regarded dragons as the creators of at least the planet

[light linden]

ngl

I kinda wonder what would happen if you put a lot of fallen stars into a body of water

[sinful adder]

They worshiped dragons, elementals, and other powerful beings as if they were gods

[high lynx]

But did they believe in a creator?

[sinful adder]

The concept of a god came to mean a very specific thing, but ancient ideas of things that are gods as we know them existed

[sinful adder]

We don't know. Perhaps some cultures did

[high lynx]

Like did they think the elementals where the makers of their elements

[sinful adder]

Yeah we still don't know. Probably some did

Just like in real life, made up beliefs exist

[sinful adder]

Fallen starfish

[light linden]

guess who forgot about an item they have 181 of

[dusk laurel]

It happens to the best of us

[light linden]

also for reference

I meant a LOT of fallen stars

not a few

[brave rune]

can Draedon invent new slurs?

[dusk laurel]

[calm patio]

no

[sinful adder]

I'm sure they could

But wouldn't

[real silo]

You could answer basically any draedon question using these two sentences

[dusk laurel]

Hey ataxia

[light linden]

what

[tidal tulip]

"Computer. Fetch me my list of slurs."

[real silo]

This is sland

er

I would never be loss of muscle control

[dusk laurel]

No

[trim edge]

could draedon verify this statement

wait nvm you said basically

[real silo]

He could

But he wouldn't

See it works for everything

[pliant ruin]

lore

[mighty zenith]

no

[pliant ruin]

:(

[untold oracle]

Lore update: :3

[dusk laurel]

Garbo the evil spreader

[magic epoch]

d

[uneven grove]

How many auric dragons are there is there somewhere I could find and also every auric dragon name and type

[pliant ruin]

Too many to count

[uneven grove]

1000+ or what?

[pliant ruin]

When it comes to the ones we know about
-Yharon, Dragon of Rebirth
-Zeratros, King of Dragons and Dragon of Primordial Light
-Vetrasyl, Dragon of Storms
-Dragon of Flame
-Dragon of Gluttony
-Dragon of Gravity
-Dragon of Frost
-Dragon of Life
-Dragon of Death

[untold oracle]

We don’t have a number on how many there were at start, but I assume thousands
Now all of them are dead, except for Yharon, who is the last one

[pliant ruin]

I think those are all, i might be forgetting some

Yeh, Yharon is the only remaining one

[uneven grove]

Oh

Are there multiple dragons of same type or only 1 dragon could be of 1 type

[pliant ruin]

Every dragon's domain is unique to tiself

Itself*

[uneven grove]

Ah

[pliant ruin]

There aren't multiple dragon of rebirths per example, just Yharon

[uneven grove]

Now I understand

[stoic gulch]

can someone send the xeroc pre ascended form

the new one

oh yeah no image perms

[jovial stream]

Is Yharim as evil as he was in the lore pre-rework? His lore has changed but as far as I can tell the attitude towards him hasn’t, even though as far as I’m aware he hasn’t done all the same things that MADE him the Tyrant in the old lore

Am I missing something?

[untold oracle]

..yeah

[thick slate]

womp

[untold oracle]

Yharim is evil and fucked up

Essentially killed gods and their followers indiscriminately without caring about their intentions, justifying it all with hearsay told by The Most Biased Dragon Ever

[mighty zenith]

the main thing that changed is Yharim has more of a motive for his actions

[untold oracle]

The crusade killed 200–300 mil people, ~15–20% of the world population

[untold oracle]

Yeah

[mighty zenith]

he's still super fucked up but he's also manipulative

basically he went from a warmongerer to a politician

[untold oracle]

He now at least had an agenda instead of being edgy and evil

[thick slate]

genghis khan type numbers

atleast yharim slightly reduced climate change

[untold oracle]

Maaan the mongols were actually goated

They conquered half of the known world and disappeared all within 150 years

[thick slate]

idk about goated

kinda like mean

but yea

british empire was goated !

[faint plank]

yharim i remember you are genocides

[thick slate]

truee

[shrewd geyser]

***I know what you are ***

[jovial stream]

Hmmm. That definitely SOUNDS like more than he ever did in the old lore. I’m having trouble placing exactly why I feel like he’s done less in this new version

[mighty zenith]

probably because he's much more subtle about all the attrocities

[untold oracle]

They were chill with their subjects, they want tribute but didn’t interfere otherwise

[jovial stream]

Maybe because it’s more crusades than brutal subjugation

[thick slate]

killing people bad imo

[mighty zenith]

yeah didnt he like

want world domination in old lore or whatever

i genuinely dont remember what his goal was

[untold oracle]

True!

[jovial stream]

It was basically retribution for an extremely traumatic past. Take over the jungle, kill the people who killed his family, it kind of just got out of control from there. I think the ultimate goal was to kill Xeroc

[untold oracle]

Being COOL and EDGY

[jovial stream]

He wasn’t much more edgy then than he is now

[mighty zenith]

ehhh hard to say honestly

[jovial stream]

Just more of a fleshed out person than a one dimensional conqueror

[mighty zenith]

he was a much bigger asshole

like his conflict with Amidias was made out of a temper tantrum basically

[jovial stream]

Yeah I think that’s what’s tripping me up honestly

They didn’t bow so he had Calamitas scorch them all alive

[untold oracle]

Didn’t he make Callie destroy crags because he was angy that he was thrown to lava or smth (they didn’t even do it)

[mighty zenith]

something like that

[jovial stream]

I remember in the old lore a good portion of the things from the mod were directly caused by his atrocities, and that seems to not be as much the case in the new lore

[untold oracle]

Calamity was such an edgefest back then I’m happy they’re fixing it 😭

[jovial stream]

Eh I never really thought so. I’ve always loved the lore

New lore way better though

[mighty zenith]

Tbh besides some unnecessary stuff like Calamitas' village getting fucking CRUCIFIED

old lore wasnt that edgy

[untold oracle]

The crusade still is the mainstream story and it still affects the world largely (corruption/crimson for example)

[mighty zenith]

but the constant inclusion of concepts that get dropped a few sentences later was super annoying

things just sorta... happened

because they sounded cool

and then couldnt be brought up in a way that makes sense later

[mighty zenith]

Honestly I disagree

a majority of bosses for instance are direct byproducts of Yharim's bullshit

or were affected by his bullshit

[faint plank]

pbg 💔

[jovial stream]

Yeah, now that I’m looking, I guess you are right

[latent bolt]

I bet the plaguebringer goliath in the new lore was the size of a normal hornet when it was released from containment after yharim blew a hole in draedon's lab

[jovial stream]

Maybe I was thinking this way about him because the messages we get from him that talk about his atrocities mainly say they were a result of negligence or apathy rather than malice

[mighty zenith]

it was a queen bee

so uh
i dont think so

[mighty zenith]

yeah a big difference between the yharims is their attitude toward the terrarian

new lore yharim wants to indoctrinate them to his side

gain a successor to his ideology

old lore yharim didnt really give a shit

[jovial stream]

Wait really? I did not pick up on that at all

[mighty zenith]

he was much more apathetic and a dickhead

[latent bolt]

i did pick up on the apathy and depression

[jovial stream]

It sounded more to me like he was regretful of all he did

[mighty zenith]

a big thing is the only times he shows regret over his actions is when those actions ended up with him losing allies

not once does he regret the lives of innocent people the crusade took

he also hides info that would paint his hatred towards gods in a negative light

isnt it weird how he completely ignores the hallow?

well, thats because its existence implies the existence of benevolent gods

(although i wont blame you for not picking up on this because im pretty sure its not mentioned in-game yet)

[jovial stream]

But a god would have had to absorb the soul of a dragon to become a god, so that would still make them guilty of murder, right?

[mighty zenith]

you could say that yes

but have you considered the idea that not all dragons were good?

maybe some were rampaging and killing people

like the dragon of flame

[jovial stream]

No I had not considered that

[mighty zenith]

and absorbing its soul would make sure it doesnt come back to do all that again

maybe some dragons gave their souls up willingly

i wont deny that there were evil gods of course

but the issue with yharim is he sees gods and dragons in black and white

evil vs good with no exceptions

they took the soul of a dragon and therefore deserve death

[latent bolt]

both dragons and gods had good and evil

[jovial stream]

I was under the assumption that dragons were guardians of nature, of a sort

[mighty zenith]

again, i dont blame you

yharim really wants to push that idea into your head

which is super ironic considering one of these dragons literally wants to kill you

this dragon has also watched and supported mass genocide

and destruction of nature

[jovial stream]

Oh

Had not thought of it in that way

Why does Yharon want to kill us? Also didn’t he abandon Yharim?

[cloud ibex]

not really abandoned

[mighty zenith]

he wants to kill us because he wants to protect yharim

also yeah not abandoned

[cloud ibex]

more like went out on his own to deal with you before you reach yharim

[mighty zenith]

rather went on a mission he probably wouldnt come back from

[jovial stream]

Oh is that what that line meant

[mighty zenith]

(or rather will come back from years after yharim's death)

[frigid sage]

Yharon is mean

[split mortar]

Yeah yharon knew they could have died and so bid yharim farewell incase that was the case iirc

Yharim will die in under a decade from when yharon dies since yharim will die of old age before yharon can rebirth (a decade long process)

[frigid sage]

The enemy ascended beyond your control

[latent bolt]

holup, would yharon's domain have been a factor into how yharim lived so long

[jovial stream]

Ok I had taken the line at the end of the Yharon lore item to mean that Yharon had left Yharim because of all the awful stuff he did and thinking about that now that really doesn’t make sense

[frigid sage]

Roar of the Jungle Dragon is canon so use those lyrics to tell the lore

[split mortar]

Maybe and i do think so, though the only other example of a long lived human is permafrost who a dev said is like 4-5 hundred years old thanks to magic goober stuff

[gritty kraken]

Yharim profited off Yharon plushies so he left him

[jovial stream]

So I’ve picked up from this chat that when a person becomes a god they don’t always have the same domain of the dragon whose soul they absorbed. Does that mean that the god is inherently weaker than the dragon was?

[frigid sage]

No

[cloud ibex]

no

xeroc is far stronger than zeratros

[frigid sage]

Why?

[split mortar]

Gods can be weaker or stronger, often stronger since its two beings added together though iirc

[cloud ibex]

but they got a perfect ascension, something nobody other than silva did

[frigid sage]

Ah

[cloud ibex]

they have also been training ever since their ascension, something most other gods to my knowledge didn't really do

[split mortar]

Strongest human at the time
Strongest dragon ever
Best ascension possible

Yeah id say xeroc is minimum like twice as strong as zeratros after ascending and has only gotten stronger since

[jovial stream]

What even is Xeroc the god of?

[mighty zenith]

theres also slime god
who i believe is stronger than the dragon of gluttony

[split mortar]

iirc zeratros has been said to equal yharim

[mighty zenith]

primordial light

which is basically sunlight

[cloud ibex]

afaik it's been said that most others kinda just took whatever state they were in immediately post ascension as their peak - or at most didn't take their training nearly as far as xeroc did

[jovial stream]

Isn’t that the same as Zeratros?

[mighty zenith]

correct

[split mortar]

Perfect ascension is a ascension where the domain stays the same, we know not what allows it to be a perfect one but it is stronger then normal ascension

[mighty zenith]

they had a perfect ascension

[jovial stream]

Ohhhh ok

[mighty zenith]

meaning the domain stayed the same

Silva did too and they are the only two gods with a perfect ascension

[jovial stream]

So it says in the lore somewhere that the stars are made of mana, right?

[spring helm]

that we know of

[mighty zenith]

yeah

[split mortar]

Yeah

[latent bolt]

this is why the dragon of life's domain didnt change and the dragon of death's domain did

[frigid sage]

Could Xeroc post ascension have defeated Fovos? This is purely a power scaling question

[split mortar]

The astral meteor is a infected star

[jovial stream]

Does that mean then that Xeroc is the god of magic?

[split mortar]

Current xeroc easily

[mighty zenith]

maybe not RIGHT after ascension

but in their current state yea

[frigid sage]

Ok

[split mortar]

The sun isnt a star

[jovial stream]

what

[split mortar]

The sun is different to stars in calamity

[frigid sage]

So the dragons were not actually that powerful?

[mighty zenith]

its a messy topic tbh
the sun in cal is weird

[split mortar]

^

[jovial stream]

What is it then if not a star?

[split mortar]

The sun specifically is the only source of PL

[mighty zenith]

the average strength of a dragon was about the same as plantera i think

[gritty kraken]

the cynosure item messed this guy

[spring helm]

the eidolon wyrms in the abyss are as strong as the average auric dragon

[frigid sage]

Ah

[split mortar]

a sun

Its a unique celestial object that we only know one of

[frigid sage]

What is the canon mode?

[mighty zenith]

we dont know a lot about the world still

[jovial stream]

Oh ok

[split mortar]

Primordial light is specifically sunlight

It might be made of primordial light aswell but eh not confirmed iirc

[mighty zenith]

iirc its hardcore expert rev

[frigid sage]

Ok

[mighty zenith]

but theres
not really a canon mode

since the terrarian can be whatever you want

[split mortar]

-# why hardcore, i can just say otherwise

[mighty zenith]

thats just the default basically

[jovial stream]

Also, what is Silvia’s deal? I don’t know much about her in the new lore

[split mortar]

Cant post the terrarian is your oc image

[mighty zenith]

good

😊

[frigid sage]

So pretty much the dragons on average were as strong as PBG?

[latent bolt]

canon difficulty is expert revengeance played with a hardcore character

[mighty zenith]

somewhat there yea

[latent bolt]

At least thats what the lore is implying here

[frigid sage]

So an army of like 50-100 PBGs versus an Eldritch Horror

But all with unique powers

That would help

[split mortar]

Elemental of nature AND goddess of life, she is the only other god to have perfect ascended

She got brutalised into a literal goo by yharim and is slowly regenerating in the abyss and her prescence has allowed bigger life to flourish

She has blessed brealor who along with his BF statis nearly killed yharim
She also blessed jared (primordial wyrm) hence why its post scal strong

She is the second strongest not xeroc god we know of iirc

[spring helm]

surprisingly no, because Moon Lord has an advantage when fighting multiple people at the same time

[cloud ibex]

do note that iirc the main thing that kept ML from being nuked by the dragons was that he simply refused to die

[frigid sage]

Death lasers

[jovial stream]

She’s an elemental AND a god?

[spring helm]

yes

[mighty zenith]

yup

[cloud ibex]

the tongue he uses on you that lifesteals? yeah he used that on the dragons too

[spring helm]

seemingly any sapient life form can ascend so long as they can perform the ritual

[split mortar]

Yes
And neither weakened the others traits

[dusk laurel]

Killing you

You will be eaten by hammers

[spring helm]

"Our powers weren't just added together, but greatly multiplied!"

[split mortar]

Not even allowed the sticker

[spring helm]

💥

[mighty zenith]

i am neither sil or va...

[split mortar]

Btw she is near immortal thanks to being a elemental not due to god of life powers

[spring helm]

didnt stop yharim from turning her into goop though

[split mortar]

Yeah

[jovial stream]

Oh. Is she gonna basically reform at some point?

[split mortar]

Yeah

[frigid sage]

Planty mush is Silva goop?

[dusk laurel]

Yharim will die before she reforms

[split mortar]

Yeah iirc

[frigid sage]

And there is infinite from fishing

[jovial stream]

Wasn’t it stated somewhere that all the elementals were evil?

[mighty zenith]

she got brutalized and tossed at the bottom of the abyss, safe to say itll take a while to get out

[mighty zenith]

not really evil

[dusk laurel]

Yharim propaganda really

[mighty zenith]

just
really pushing their element

[dusk laurel]

The elementals are manifestations of the world

[mighty zenith]

yharim hates elementals thanks to brimmy fucking up azafure

[dusk laurel]

Water, air, heat, earth and nature

Also yeah the Brimmy incident

[split mortar]

All elementals want to spread their domain, its an instinct

Due to too much of one thing being lethal to life this results in almost every single one being hostile to almost all life

Except silva iirc

[spring helm]

not exactly

silva's corpse is in the bottom of the abyss

[jovial stream]

Right. I guess it can’t be that harmful to want to spread life and nature around

[spring helm]

the planty mush is plantgrowth that grew due to her influence

[mighty zenith]

filling the world with water tho...

yeah thats more of a problem

just ask the hoenn region

:3

[frigid sage]

California would be saved though

[split mortar]

Anahita is just kyoger

[mighty zenith]

hyoger

[jovial stream]

Literally CAN’T be harmful to life if that’s the thing you’re spreading around

[dusk laurel]

[frigid sage]

(LA)

[jovial stream]

Or brimstone fire

[frigid sage]

Or cloud

[split mortar]

Also silva is sapient iirc so she might be able to resist the urge of throwing plants at people or whatever the elemental instincts want

[split mortar]

Throwing you in a lake

[mighty zenith]

swim like fishe

[jovial stream]

Oh is it just instincts? They don’t necessarily WANT to do it?

[mighty zenith]

glub glub 🐟

[mighty zenith]

its in their nature

[dusk laurel]

So fish

So real

[mighty zenith]

they are the literal embodiment of elements

[dusk laurel]

Yeah

[frigid sage]

And cloud right?

[dusk laurel]

Cloud is air

[frigid sage]

Earth is artificial btw

Made by Azafurians

[split mortar]

Well apart from silva the others are uh
Not smart enough to go beyond their insticts

[dusk laurel]

Sand elemental is the real earth elemental

[jovial stream]

So they always WILL spread their element then

[frigid sage]

Ah

[spring helm]

or they just want to

[split mortar]

True earth is sand ele

[dusk laurel]

Snail

[split mortar]

You don’t exist

[mighty zenith]

unless they're dormant yes

[dusk laurel]

Proof? Evidence?

[frigid sage]

To kill Silva you destroy all life

[jovial stream]

Oh ok

[mighty zenith]

apparently its possible for elementals to beef too, since anahita got pushed out from the abyss by silva

theyre still sentient in some ways

like animals basically

[frigid sage]

So Draedon is the only person to be able to kill Silva

[jovial stream]

Why was Silva able to do a perfect ascension?

[dusk laurel]

We don't exactly know

[split mortar]

Uh
We all would like to know

[dusk laurel]

k kw

[mighty zenith]

[split mortar]

Killing uou

[dusk laurel]

uou

[split mortar]

Its spelt like that now

[dusk laurel]

👎

[dusk laurel]

But well

It's very likely the Terminus was used for perfectly ascending

And possibly the life dragon willingly letting their soul be absorbed by Silva

[mighty zenith]

yeah that could have something to do with it as well, since theres a possibility of zeratros doing the same

[dusk laurel]

Yep

[split mortar]

Terminus and willingly giving soul is required for perfect ascension in my headcanon

[latent bolt]

We need to rename these guys

[dusk laurel]

I like to imagine that Silva and the Life dragon were good friends

[dusk laurel]

They likely will

Which is good

[mighty zenith]

yeah reb wanted to rename it i think

[split mortar]

Bwaaa

[dusk laurel]

Explode

[jovial stream]

What exactly are Xeroc’s intentions? What is he even doing with his godhood?

[dusk laurel]

He very likely is the protector of the planet from outside threats

[split mortar]

We dont know for sure but with what little we can gleem
They seem to be protecting the world from future alien threats like the one he experienced (fovos), theyre probably hunting noxus currently

[dusk laurel]

We know one of his major acts was reducing the amount of heat that the sun was shooting down at the planet

[split mortar]

^

[jovial stream]

I’ve never even considered the possibility that Xeroc might actually have GOOD intentions

[latent bolt]

i misread godhood as girlfriend

[dusk laurel]

Since the surface was really unbearable at that time

[pliant ruin]

mines

[split mortar]

Lmao

[dusk laurel]

Hai Cheese

[pliant ruin]

hello how are we doing lore chat

hiii vanillin

[split mortar]

Hi cheese

[pliant ruin]

hiii 🍈 🔫

[split mortar]

Explaining lore to new person

[mighty zenith]

power of yharim propaganda

omg chease

[split mortar]

I see melon and water gun

Not melon and gun

[pliant ruin]

oh did the yharpaganda strike again

[latent bolt]

mix in some commumity remix lore in to misinform them

[dusk laurel]

Yheeza

[split mortar]

Though i guess that fits since i imagined watermelon when typing melon gun

[split mortar]

Noh

[jovial stream]

Lol I was unaware propaganda was even involved until today

[dusk laurel]

Yharim is really well written

[pliant ruin]

Yharim is so good at manipulation he manipulates people in real life

[split mortar]

Yhapaganda is very prevalent in lore items

[dusk laurel]

I mean

He literally emails you it

Via a rock

[split mortar]

The yhrock

[dusk laurel]

Oh wait I should add the lore items rework into the doc

[split mortar]

You havent?

[dusk laurel]

Been a but busy recently

[split mortar]

Fair

[dusk laurel]

Also I've been pretty sick

[pliant ruin]

well was nice talking here

back to the mines i go

[split mortar]

[dusk laurel]

Bye Cheese

[split mortar]

What mines

Code mines?

[dusk laurel]

[mighty zenith]

the dairy yearns for the mines

[pliant ruin]

✅

[split mortar]

Hope thats going well

[latent bolt]

pat the cheese

[split mortar]

[latent bolt]

holup garbo got cool dudes
guys its not discontinued

[split mortar]

Just gotta become a mod

[cloud ibex]

never was discontinued

just a "happens whenever fab feels like it"

[pliant ruin]

I am making the bug real

[split mortar]

Yoooo

[dusk laurel]

Finally

[split mortar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1137031736660856843/1325188709255090186/bounce.gif

[dusk laurel]

[split mortar]

Yes

[mighty zenith]

saved!!

[hoary cape]

I am disabling bugs. No more bugs in terraria. You can no longer find fishing bait on land

[mighty zenith]

[latent bolt]

[stark basalt]

Who the hell is Xeroc

yk the guy that created the rock item from winning boss rush

[light linden]

you want the indepth info or abridged?

[stark basalt]

make it quick ig

[light linden]

He's the first ever god, he's mentioned in the prelude and requiem lore items, and his domain is sunlight

[split mortar]

And also the strongest character in calamity

They didnt make the rock they carved it from the dragons aerie after ascending

[dusk laurel]

They created the rock in the old lore, which is not relevant anymore (shocker)

[stark basalt]

Isnt nameless deity just stronger or smth

wait no thats WoG right

[light linden]

not canon

[split mortar]

Nameless isnt canon

[stark basalt]

kk ty

[split mortar]

Only addon thats official is vcmm

And thats just music

[hoary cape]

Imagine if terraria music was canon to the story and you just hear music while actually in terraria 😂

[split mortar]

The terrarian is you image:

-# just say it is

[hoary cape]

See I meant that everyone can hear it

[mighty zenith]

DEMON...

[hoary cape]

Like you just chilling at night and then boss music starts

Instead of the normal night music

[split mortar]

The terrarian just has the boss music on speaker at full blast

[dusk laurel]

Explodes you with my mind

[split mortar]

You are so mean

:(

[hoary cape]

The NPC's sitting there in horror when they just vibing and moon lords track starts

I mean given the fact that music boxes as an item exists it clearly must be like that

[split mortar]

Yharon getting ptsd flashbacks from the terrarian fully blasting the ml theme

[hoary cape]

Me when I challenge a boss with good music, but I have my own music box of another song I like and the boss can't listen to their own theme song

Actually do boss tracks overwrite music boxes

[split mortar]

There should make it so it plays both at once

[hoary cape]

I have genuinely never used them

[split mortar]

Dont think so

The entire point is to play what music you want

[hoary cape]

Fair

[split mortar]

So itd be redundent to make it not iverride bosses i think

[hoary cape]

Crabulon for such a low tier boss in progress has a banger for a track lol

I love it

[split mortar]

The shrooms are simply fans of whatever genre crab is in

[dusk laurel]

I hope Crab's fight will match the track

[split mortar]

Crabulon forces the drug shroom effect while fighting it

[hoary cape]

Crabulon pirate mode

[dusk laurel]

Ar

🦀

[split mortar]

Carbulon

[hot merlin]

what if Draedon learned from his mistakes with the cloning attempts of Calamitas and Yharon and decided to pull a Dr.Gero and create a version of Perfect Cell with the DNA of the Strongest Calamity bosses (something that he would probably do)

[spare pier]

He never cloned Yharon in new lore and actually his clone of Calamitas is really fucking good

The problem is that he can't clone Calamitas' power

[split mortar]

Draedon never cloned yharon in current lore

And calclone wasnt a failure on bad cloning, she just didnt get powers from genetics

[spare pier]

In my opinion a far better option because then Draedon doesn't feel grossly incompetent

[split mortar]

Calclone was a success at being a clone

Problem is cal is basically a warlock and her power doesnt come to her naturally

[spare pier]

Draedon being really fucking bad at cloning in old lore was always wack to me

Specially because the Plague being nanomachines has always been thing

Bro is good enough in bio-engineering to make the Plague but not to clone things, which was one of the earliest achievements in bio-engineering

[hot merlin]

Which is why instead of cloning but rather making his own version of perfect cell would have been funny
Imagine a final boss that only happened because Draedon decided to watch Dragonball and replicate an idea from Dr.Gero but instead of the Z Fighters its every post-moon lord boss.

[spring helm]

Does providence even have dna

[split mortar]

Isnt like half of post ml inorganic beings ir beings who derive power not frkm biological factors? Sadly dont think it would work

Guardians and providence
Ceaseless void
Polter
Yharon
Scal

They all get power from things not carried by genetics

[spring helm]

Ceaseless Void is kind of useless to Draedon in terms of technological development since all the weaponry and defences on it were made by the Dragon Cult, and he has no need to siphon the energy from it since he has Exo Prisms

[hot merlin]

to be fair Cell didn't get power from the DNA but rather he absorbed 600k people and two androids with power storing capablities, the DNA just gave him powers of what there were capable of (like gokus kamehameha wave or tiens solar flare, etc)
He could probably make a Cell he created absorb exo prisms

[split mortar]

Yeah i can see a artificial cell capable of doing that

[manic coral]

yeah like calclone even shows this

clonign somebody just

doesnt work well

becuase they're only closing the person biologically

none of their experiences or pwoers they gained or training

[split mortar]

And most of the bosses that are organic and could be trained to that level hen cloned

Are distortion guys and thus inherently have different biology to the point youre basically at step 1 again

Hell yharim clone wouldnt be attuned so i doubt any oerfect training could allow fir a clone yharim to rival the alive yharim

[sinful adder]

The key thing is that many people could become as strong as yharim, if only they had enough determination

[split mortar]

I doubt yharim is completely normal

He is attuned to a auric dragon after all

[sinful adder]

Sure, but most of his strength is from training

[echo wedge]

who is the terrarian in the lore?

is he evil or smth

[split mortar]

You decide
Their your character

Everything of them

(Except for the fact they suck at naming)

[echo wedge]

[spring helm]

Why are you so fixated on this, you even added it to the image

[split mortar]

Because its the one thing you dont decide

[wheat walrus]

Sparing Calamitas:

[split mortar]

Flymeal:

[dusk laurel]

Melon gun's fixation

[split mortar]

Tbf me being fixated on that detail makes more sense then how my watermelon fixation started…

[dusk laurel]

You assimilate new gifs and images you find/see

And then it follows you wherever you go for a couple days

Except for that image, we had to lose our rights for that to stop being used

[glacial rampart]

the terrarian is

[split mortar]

And that didnt even wirk fir a bit

[dusk laurel]

And guess what happened

[split mortar]

Tbf for gifs and images that mainly stops cause it gets a pain to scroll down ti get to the specific thing

I would have continued sending eel pits and stuff if they didnt get covered by 30 other gifs

[dusk laurel]

Eel pit my beloved

[light linden]

eel pit?

sounds like ark's oceans

[dusk laurel]

You wouldn't get it

You had to have been here months ago

[light linden]

I was

[dusk laurel]

Like sept-oct

[light linden]

I was

[dusk laurel]

You were?

[light linden]

october 27th

[dusk laurel]

That's not september

That's very close to november

[light linden]

it is october though

[dusk laurel]

Still

You weren't around at that time

[light linden]

send the eel pit in sscls

[split mortar]

-# i dont like that this has been noticed by multiole peoole, idk if it magters thiufh

[pliant ruin]

🧑‍🦱 🫵

[dusk laurel]

Okay

I will respect that

[jagged lark]

Hey guys, is yharim a reference to Darth Vader from Star Wars?

[untold oracle]

Uh

Outside from being burnt by lava I see no correlation really

[mighty zenith]

suit/armor acting as life support i guess

i dont know if it was an intentional reference tbh

[latent bolt]

prolly unintentional

i saw the correlation even in old lore

[pliant ruin]

yeah its unintentional

terrarian, i am your father............

[real silo]

Vader wasn't saved by a big fire dragon

[latent bolt]

thats one of the things that makes yharim different

vader was saved by palpatine, while yharim was saved by yharon

[deft valve]

no you arent

your a lyer

[pliant ruin]

what.

id never lie.

[deft vessel]

Thats a lie

[deft valve]

your exposed

[pliant ruin]

ahhhh!! ahh

[worn roost]

Why are you screaming

[pliant ruin]

because i was exposed

[worn roost]

For what

[split mortar]

What…

[pliant ruin]

don't say that

ever

[split mortar]

Wild shit to say

[frigid sage]

I saw it

Why would you say that? That is not even a funny joke

It’s way overused

[dusk laurel]

Lore

Lore discussion

[worn roost]

Ight sorry

[frigid sage]

Ok

[tall delta]

powerscaling

[hoary berry]

😨

[dusk laurel]

Omni Hunter

[split mortar]

Bwaaa

[tall delta]

100 goombas vs one xeroc

[split mortar]

Xeroc can only tank 1 hit before having to no hit

I bet on goombas

[hoary berry]

xeroc is not dastardly and evil like mario is so xeroc loses 100%

[split mortar]

Treu

Freu even

[hoary berry]

#1147624471839133798 message

[split mortar]

I was thinking that exact message after sending

[hoary berry]

sensinf

[split mortar]

Men

[dusk laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/yan-vismok-library-of-ruina-gif-17569534932680695902

What.

Oh wait

[smoky carbon]

If yharim is so powerful how did he almost die to lava

[dusk laurel]

This isn't sscls

[hoary berry]

lmao

[dusk laurel]

[gritty kraken]

No obsidian skin potion

[dusk laurel]

It was before he even started

[smoky carbon]

Started what

[dusk laurel]

Everything

This was before he was attuned to Yharon, started the Crusade, etc

[smoky carbon]

And what did he do to get powerful tho? Its implied that hes powerful by himself, even without an army

[dusk laurel]

Training

[pliant ruin]

He has 100+ years of fighting experience, auric armor with exo upgrades and he's attuned to yharon

but without allat hes just a guy

[smoky carbon]

Is he still attuned after yharon dies

[pliant ruin]

yes

[gritty kraken]

Yhargrind

[smoky carbon]

And we are clearly stronger than yharon anyway so yharim cant be that strong

[pliant ruin]

hes stronger than yharon

[smoky carbon]

How does that work

[pliant ruin]

did you miss the part where being attuned to yharon is only One of the reasons he's so strong

[gritty kraken]

2+2 get you 4

[wheat walrus]

The Sigma Fabsol said,"Yes! The universe is bound to collapse!"

But then, Terrarian arrived; "I am you, Fabsol."

Fabsol began to cry, running away and avoiding his fate as the sigmatic energy restored and stabilized platonic concepts of the universe.

As the Terrarian kept approaching Fabsol, he kept talking to him.
"You could've been anyone and anything Fabsol, but you chose to be the creator of Terraria's Calamity Mod."

"This is where your reign of Calamity ends."

Scaling (Sigma Fabsol): High Outerverse Level, Irrelevant Speed
Scaling (Fabsol): Human Level, Human Speed
Scaling (Terrarian): Boundless, Irrelevant Speed

[split mortar]

Attunement far as we know doesnt grant much beyond the auric touching pass

So yharim just straight up trained to be stronger then the dragon

[gritty kraken]

sigma

f

[smoky carbon]

What does being attuned to yharon mean, is it some ritual he had to do?

[split mortar]

Yharim wasnt always so strong

He used to be below eoc level (like us) and so lava could hurt him lethally

[split mortar]

I think its the souls being in sync or something

Basically they just vibe with eachother to such degree their souls start effecting eachother i think

[smoky carbon]

I was more questioning what exactly made him so strong because i was told he is powerful by himself and all the great things he had done was from other people serving him

[frigid sage]

How old was he when he was thrown into lava?

[dusk laurel]

We don't exactly know

Probably like a young adult

[gritty kraken]

2

[split mortar]

He didnt have people serving him before the crusade

Also he just trained or something, scal thinks what we do is similiar to how he gained power iirc so uh, use gameplay as a example

Killing, harvesting things for loot and absorbing life crystals and stuff

[split mortar]

130ish currently
Century long war
So prob 20-30

[frigid sage]

He’s over 100?

[smoky carbon]

Fair

[frigid sage]

How?

[split mortar]

Maybe people just live that long

Also maybe magic idk

[gritty kraken]

He’s just that yhar

[mighty zenith]

he trains a shit ton

[dusk laurel]

Humans

Humans can live longer than 100 years

[mighty zenith]

he's quite powerful physically but he's also got an overpowered armor that makes him basically untouchable

[dusk laurel]

Also Draehealthcare

[mighty zenith]

with exo enhancements yea

[split mortar]

He a 8 foot titan of a man endlessly training and battling

[dusk laurel]

Wait you capitalized the first letter in your username

[gritty kraken]

Falsemelongun has been activated

[split mortar]

Oops