lore-discussion

[pliant ruin]

its abt making things grounded

[soft geyser]

And you are saying his arms are wrong

[robust osprey]

crabulon is a zombie crab it isnt meant to be cute

[pliant ruin]

following anatomy is good practice when it comes to creature design

it makes the designs more believable

[hoary cape]

It will look like hermitian, but mushroomified soon

[pliant ruin]

which i mean

triangle is making his anatomy more belieavle so yeah

[soft geyser]

He may have evolveto have stronger arms for blunting sharks

[pliant ruin]

more like an actual crab

[pliant ruin]

that is

not how evolution works

😭

[soft geyser]

Reaver shark be crabulon

[soft geyser]

Adaption

Creature adapt to best suit them

[pliant ruin]

Anyways here's this cool fanmade crabulon resprite i found its pretty cool

[pliant ruin]

"Adaptation" isn't "evolve to kill things more efficiently"

[hoary cape]

Reaver Sharks isn't even a shark it's a merfolk like creature now

[soft geyser]

Protection

[pliant ruin]

protection from what brah

[frigid sage]

What if crabulon gets resprited to be CrabBar

[pliant ruin]

its a giant ass crab the only thing it has to defend itself from is scourges

[soft geyser]

Sharks squids

[robust osprey]

it would be if youre a predator or something

[pliant ruin]

WHAT SQUIDS

[robust osprey]

I highly doubt crab was a predator

[soft geyser]

Reveal shark and giant squid

[hoary cape]

There aren't any squids in the sunken sea

[soft geyser]

Protection

[pliant ruin]

those are from the abyss

also

[frigid sage]

Crab is bottom feeder

[pliant ruin]

if you want to protect yourself

you generally want to avoid getting hurt

[hoary cape]

That's the wrong ocean lol

[pliant ruin]

not make yourself better at killing things

[robust osprey]

crab is from ilmeris

[hoary cape]

Spikes are better for protection

[pliant ruin]

And like

crab already has

giant claws

[soft geyser]

He likes to eat clams and blunting makes it easier to open trust

[pliant ruin]

and is massive

[pliant ruin]

Btw this dosen't make any sense either

[soft geyser]

He bashed open the clams

[soft geyser]

I am joking

[frigid sage]

Crabulon is a perfect creature

[soft geyser]

I got the ocean wrong

[soft geyser]

See

[hoary cape]

Crabulon is the perfect one

[pliant ruin]

Because the arms are fundamentally wrong from a crustacean anatomy perspective

[soft geyser]

He gets it

[pliant ruin]

its not smth you could adapt

its literally fundamentally Not How Crustaceans Work

[hoary cape]

Crabs usually have one arm significantly bigger than the other

[soft geyser]

Hey he looks cute that is all that matter to me

[pliant ruin]

That's not even what i'm talking abt the arm is literally like

[soft geyser]

Like kinglet

[pliant ruin]

not segmented properly

[soft geyser]

Get the pic again

[pliant ruin]

this has actual proper crab arm anatomy btw

compare this to ingame crab

[frigid sage]

Maybe being on one side of crab would be dodging a hammer attack from a big claw and the other side would be more dodging fungal attacks

[soft geyser]

She looks like a ninja

[pliant ruin]

what

😭

[soft geyser]

I am saying what if one of his claw becomes a mushroom

[soft geyser]

Samurai hat

[pliant ruin]

???

thats

its body

[frigid sage]

Big claw is normal and the other claw is fungal?

[soft geyser]

Ik but to me it looks like a hat

[soft geyser]

Yes

[frigid sage]

So which side you fight the boss on matters

That would be unique

[pliant ruin]

new crab is apparently gonna have little smaller mushroom crab relatives as regular enemies in the msuhroom biome

[soft geyser]

Mushroom allows power jumps as mushroom bouncy

[soft geyser]

So he does become a species not there and not a infected crab

[pliant ruin]

nah

still a infected crab

a population of sunken sea crabs wandered here and died off and were taken over

[soft geyser]

Alr gtg bye cheese

[pliant ruin]

bye

[hoary berry]

Blissful Bombardier

'To erupt in holy flames is life's kindest fate; these are Her words and such is their gospel, so a blessed devotee manufactured this weapon to bring about the most literal interpretation. The mana in each rocket's trajectory is set ablaze as it soars by, burning into the world itself evidence of Her cleansing wrath.'

[limpid saddle]

I know I asked this one before but it got a little sidetracked

Soooo

[frigid sage]

Why is polterghast so powerful?

[limpid saddle]

Who do you guys respecticely want/think the next plushie will be

[limpid saddle]

there's alot of dead people in it

[frigid sage]

I want Aquatic Scourge plushie for no reason

[limpid saddle]

like ALOT of dead people

[hoary berry]

probably the only plushie i'd buy would be one of the exos

[frigid sage]

1000+ dead people

[limpid saddle]

I think the next one's gonna be Yharim but want the next one to be Crabulon

[frigid sage]

Yharim isn’t even in the game yet though

A plushie of him seems unlikely

[limpid saddle]

Those feel like they would translate very poorly to plushies

[hoary berry]

yeah that's the issue

so the conclusion is

i probably won't be buying any plushies

[frigid sage]

Draedon plushie

[limpid saddle]

I mean we know what he looks like & he's basically the main antaganist

[limpid saddle]

[frigid sage]

Yeah

[limpid saddle]

Imagine if they did like an Exo Mechs Gunpla set or something

[hoary berry]

exo gladius plush please 🥹

[limpid saddle]

That sounds like it might work

But generally i've found in my experience it's very hard to make very sharp designs translate well to plushies

& all the worms are
very sharp

[real silo]

That would fuck so hard

I would kill for a gunpla thanatos

[frigid sage]

Yharon is a chicken nugget so he was easily converted into a plushie

Wait I have an idea what if astrum aureus plushie

It could work

Well

[real silo]

Nuh uh

Crabulon plush

[limpid saddle]

my people

they're here

[untold oracle]

Anahita plushie

[cosmic minnow]

Preach!

OR calclone plushie

[limpid saddle]

the vessel or just calamitas plush again but she looks signifigantly more homeless

[cloud ibex]

DRAEDON/EXOS BIONICLES

I have been SAYIN this

[cosmic minnow]

The actual clone

That looks like she got beaten on a good day

[pliant ruin]

whar

[cosmic minnow]

War?

[pliant ruin]

what does this

mean

[limpid saddle]

i concur with 🧀

what are you talking about

[cosmic minnow]

She looks like she got beaten (like literally) and homeless too

In a good day

That’s what it means

In relation to shadow of Calamitas

[cosmic minnow]

Cheese

[sinful adder]

The Lego company HATES fun, so this can never happen

[cosmic minnow]

Sadly

[pliant ruin]

There's not even official art for calclone tyet tho

[cosmic minnow]

Even sadder

Im dying to see the rework

(Although the current fight is good too)

[limpid saddle]

why would dreadon beat her

[pliant ruin]

yeah that dosent seem like a very draedon move

he'd be noncaring and probably put her in a test tube or something but unless he had an actual reason to that would be directly benefitial such as in a experiment he has no eason to physically attack her

[split mortar]

[stark basalt]

So a question regarding D.o.G

I know he says at the beginning

"You are no god, but I will feast upon your essence regardless"

What does he mean later on when he said

"A God does not fear death!"

Is he refering to the player or himself?

[split mortar]

Boss dialogue is outdated, by definition nothing in the DoG fight is a god so that text will be changed to fit new lore at some point

The mechs fight is cause we have god essence on us after wof so dog may want to eat that which involves killing us

[stark basalt]

Noted noted

[mighty zenith]

Him calling himself a god is just to show his enormous ego

it's pretty confusing though with current lore

[solar wharf]

either that, or our weapons are just engulfed in godly esscenes

i wont be surprised if that was the case

[magic epoch]

Clearly when he says "a god does not fear death" he means something completely different than the battle at hand and is instead just stating a fact

[scenic olive]

a god does not fear death

comparing himself to god or is he saying that because Terrarian just keeps avoiding all his attacks

"real god would take me head on!"

[solar wharf]

that doesnt make sense

cuz either he confused us for a god

or we made a claim to be a god

[scenic olive]

youre right

[solar wharf]

the first one would imply DOG is fucking stupid

and the second one would go too deep into terrarian lore

[scenic olive]

i mean he is comparing us to a god probably

[split mortar]

We can have killed providence by this point and Ravager so yeah I see it

-# the dialogue is outdated, don’t think we should put too much thought into it

[reef wigeon]

INANIS!? ET INANIS? SORS IMANIS,ET INANIS. ESTUANS INTERIUS-

[sleek halo]

clearly it’s because his name is actually ouroboros

[real silo]

He consumed the True Auric Soul of Gluttony

[sleek halo]

honestly

dragon of gluttony

if it was based off ouroboros that’d be cool

[mighty zenith]

honeslty i just hope future dragon designs are more out there and weird

[wheat walrus]

Nakarkos Gluttony

[mighty zenith]

like future old duke is genuinely what i want more of
just weird fucked up dragon-ish things

[real silo]

I hope they won't all just be green yharon or blue yharon

[mighty zenith]

fandom yharon dragon of frost

[split mortar]

Vetrasyl doesn’t have feathers I’m pretty sure

[wheat walrus]

Those are less fucked up more cool imo

[real silo]

Vetra has fure

[sleek halo]

I feel like u can wacky with more

[real silo]

close enough?

[sleek halo]

abstract things

[real silo]

Though vetra doesn't look yharonlike at all which is cool

[sleek halo]

gluttony, gravity, light n whatnot

[wheat walrus]

Other than it rotting, which is fucked-up by definition, it's very pigfish dragon with beard; very cool rather than fucky wucky

[sleek halo]

light could easily just have Zeratros literally take whatever form he pleases

[split mortar]

#404775052005867530 message

Mihai is doing possible designs for Zeratros I think

[sleek halo]

too yharon like for me

[real silo]

watch gravity be a fat fuck who uses his powers to float around
and gluttony is a tiny guy with an outrageously huge appetite

[dusk laurel]

Yeah

[sleek halo]

like that is almost exactly Yharon

[real silo]

Yharim

[sleek halo]

yharim

[split mortar]

#404776393117925376 message
another Zeratros possible design (older one)

[real silo]

Also yea that's kinda just white yharon with 4 wings

[dusk laurel]

Also Mihaii isn't even the actual dragon designer

[real silo]

awesome rendering though

[dusk laurel]

Yah

[split mortar]

They’re working with stip I think

[sleek halo]

I like how it looks but

[gritty kraken]

I’ve always imagined gravity one to be enderdragon with slightly more details

[dusk laurel]

Stip just gave them some of their thoughts on what the dragons could look like

[sleek halo]

It doesn’t feel like it should be Zeratros

[dusk laurel]

Mihaii is just doing his interpretation

[real silo]

Why so

[sleek halo]

Zeratros imo should feel

[split mortar]

#404775052005867530 message
yeah it’s just some ideas, not fully official

[sleek halo]

far more distinct

[gritty kraken]

Things in the end float

[real silo]

Zera should feel godlike compared to regular auric dragons

[sleek halo]

Yeah

I kinda get the uh

biblically accurate angel vibe from him

[real silo]

Talking straight buddha statue ahh look

Ornaments all over

[dusk laurel]

True

[real silo]

I'm a believer of pure light zeratros though

or just

Giant fucking mirror

[sleek halo]

i’m a believer of

Zeratros taking whateber form he wants

including any color

because yk

light

(His ultimate attack is to attempt to give u a seizure)

[real silo]

Imagine zeratros like one of those cats where the only distinguishing feature is the eyes

Like he's just shape+eyes

[mighty zenith]

tbh rebirth is pretty abstract as far as domains go

but the phoenix design makes sense

i just dont want other dragons to be based on yharon, let him be more birdlike

[split mortar]

Pheonix is the animal that rebirths so the design makes sense

Now wtf do you do for the fucking sun

[real silo]

Sunbirds

[mighty zenith]

no more birds please

[real silo]

Doncare

[gritty kraken]

these dragon design discussion remind me about that one roblox game where they gave a seal big wings and call it wyvern

[real silo]

Make him a plant

[hoary berry]

zeratros is just a really fucking big sunskater

[mighty zenith]

thats bettrr

[real silo]

No that's life

[mighty zenith]

zeratros lightbulb

[sleek halo]

I do personally imagine auric dragons far better represent their domain than like

gods

imo

[dusk laurel]

The Sunskaters are draconic offshoots now

[real silo]

ok imagine zeratros as a block of glass shaped like a dragon

[dusk laurel]

Trust

[sleek halo]

visually

[real silo]

And he can just refract the sun's rays into lasers

[sleek halo]

like Yharon is almost as literal as u can get for rebirth

brother is a phoenix

[real silo]

And when he sits under the sun the entire room just has light reflected/refracted everywhere

[sleek halo]

And then u look at like

[real silo]

Disco ball dragon

[sleek halo]

providence…

[hoary berry]

makes sense given that stip said the dragons' bodies changed to mirror their domains when they gained them

[split mortar]

Idfk why but the thought of Zeratros being pitch black with a blinding light emanating behind themike a eclipse (cause they can also control shadows or something) just fucking popped up in my head

[sleek halo]

like Yharon being a phoenix makes sense

but there is no easy option for something like gravity

[split mortar]

Wonder which was more drastic, ascension or auric dragon shifts

[sleek halo]

so it’d probably be more

abstract

[real silo]

That's the complete opposite of my first zeratros design

where he makes everything else dark except himself

[split mortar]

Oh lmao

[dusk laurel]

Brother is stealing the light

[cosmic zenith]

Note that this is a WIP design, not a final one

[real silo]

he is the light in my darkness

[cosmic zenith]

Designs don't pop out of nowhere

[hoary berry]

on average idk, but it'd probably vary way too much individually for coming up with an average to really matter

[cosmic zenith]

This is the exact text I sent as design directions/suggestions:

[real silo]

Was it confirmed that auric dragons morphed to fit their domains when they got them

[cosmic zenith]

For the Light part, naturally his main color will be white, maybe with spare use of black to highlight it. Light is bright, intense and observable in beams, so Zeratros design probably should be radiant and flowy. 
To depict enlightenment, a possible direction would be associating light with eyes, and the way Primordial Light is depicted (a rhombus shape) helps with that; he could have a third eye, be it an actual eye or a forehead jewel shaped like one.
For a splash of color and grandeur, we could associate Zeratros with visuals tied to the sun, like using a pink-orange gradient as a sunrise/sunset-themed highlight. 
Light can also be tied to a heavenly or divine demeanor, and for that reason, it's pretty much a consensus that Zeratros should have (at least) two pairs of wings as a parallel to seraphim. 

For the majesty part, I thought about drawing inspiration from three animals symbolically considered majestic: the owl (a symbol of wisdom), the lion (a symbol of power) and the peacock (a symbol of royalty). 
The owl inspirations could be represented in his face, eyes, feather/fur patterns, limbs, wings and tail (whatever are deemed most fitting).
The lion inspirations could be represented in his face, body shape, limbs and a mane (whatever are deemed most fitting).
The peacock inspirations could be represented in his face, body shape and mainly his feathers; peacock feathers have patterns that somewhat resemble eyes, and in that there's a good foundation for enlightenment symbolism.
Zeratros should probably have horns that resemble a crown, perhaps even a solar corona to include sun symbolism. He could wear adornments made of Auric metal and opal gems to further cement his status as King.```

[hoary berry]

#lore-discussion message only via a dev statement, and one that specifically says it's a single person's perspective

although actually that uncertainty may have been referring to the whole gene stuff

[sleek halo]

(I mean I feel like it’d literally have to be)

(Yharon is quite literally a phoenix and I doubt it was just a silly little coincidence lol)

[hoary berry]

yeah

[dusk laurel]

Yah

[real silo]

Make him lord shen

[sleek halo]

I do imagine more elemental dragons fit their element closely

[real silo]

shen has the awesome ass peacock sigil that looks like the sun

[cosmic zenith]

Lord Shen was actually my inspiration for the peacock parts

[real silo]

peam

[cosmic zenith]

I don't have time to draw, though

[hoary berry]

like using a pink-orange gradient as a sunrise/sunset-themed highlight.
i love this so so much actually

[cosmic zenith]

Nor the mood these days

[real silo]

I like sun colours better but god rainbow refracted colours would go so hard for him

would really sell the heavenly majesty

[hoary berry]

moon lord drops last prism because they stole it from zeratros

[real silo]

True....

Empress of light is rainbow because she uses his power

It all makes sense

[split mortar]

-# she goes yellow when using PL…

[real silo]

doncare...

[dusk laurel]

EoL is like 3 colors

[real silo]

She herself is still rainbow

Iirc

[cosmic zenith]

This and Ho-oh were my inspirations for the splashes of color

[dusk laurel]

Woah

[real silo]

is that kyogroudon

[dusk laurel]

Why is this Ho Oh so much cooler than the original

[cosmic zenith]

Yes

And Lugi-oh

[real silo]

it's a fusion

Hooh and lugia

[dusk laurel]

Yes

I just read that

[sleek halo]

I send out bulbasaur

[dusk laurel]

Stinkraxia

[sleek halo]

to annihilate it with razor leaf

[real silo]

explodes vanillin with raw emotions

[hoary berry]

turns out it's actually fire/water because groudon went primal before fusing

[cosmic zenith]

Amaterasu also goes hard

[sleek halo]

What would their ability be

“Primordial Sauna”

[real silo]

How come they didn't include rayquaza smh

My boy getting left out 💔

[sleek halo]

Probably cause he doesn’t enjoy their presence

I am anti typing today

[real silo]

Well they don't enjoy each other's presence either

Given they fuckin fight every time they meet

[sleek halo]

true

[real silo]

Wolf dragong... ..

[sleek halo]

the stubby legs make my day

I can only imagine him waddling

[real silo]

Zeratros is an alpacca male

[sleek halo]

like a fucking penguin

honestly

[real silo]

It walks on its front legs

The bag legs are for decoration

[sleek halo]

really unfortunate position for those middle arms

[hoary berry]

bag legs

[sleek halo]

because he can’t really easily walk

[real silo]

back

God how did I mess that up

[dusk laurel]

You silly goose

[sleek halo]

can’t even really swim either

[hoary cape]

Clearly he just levitates

[sleek halo]

his tail is fucked

[hoary cape]

Even in water

[sleek halo]

his hands are fucked

[real silo]

can't swim can't walk
can't breathe underwater nor in air

Worst of both worlds

[hoary cape]

Floats

[sleek halo]

true

[hoary cape]

Kyroudon sucks at everything

[sleek halo]

Yeah

[real silo]

has no territory on land or on the sea

[sleek halo]

he wouldn’t be very strong in either attack or spatk even…

because the other would lower it a ton

[real silo]

bro is forced to live on beaches

[sleek halo]

150 dropping down to like

125

[real silo]

What if pokemon fusion but for dragons

[hoary cape]

Ground water type

[real silo]

People should draw more dragon designs I think...

[limpid saddle]

I get this was the discussion 200 messages ago but how can anyone be confused by dog's line 'A God does not fear death?'

[hoary cape]

Grass is quadruple effective against kyroudon rip

[limpid saddle]

he's infamously known for hyping himself up & making boasts he cannot substantiate

[dusk laurel]

Imagine a blade of grass kills you

How embarrassing

[split mortar]

Yeah but most people don’t know the lore enough to know that I’m pretty sure

Hell I seen some who didn’t know the lore changed like 2 years ago

[hoary berry]

desert scourge crying in the corner rn

[limpid saddle]

It's in his lore item description, & dreadon communication talks, & dreadon logs, &-

[dusk laurel]

This assumes people read

[real silo]

It either means
"A god (referring to himself, showing his pride) does not fear death"
Or
"A god (referring to you, showing he thinks highly of you (??)) does not fear death"

[split mortar]

Too much words
They won’t read

[dusk laurel]

Remember

[hoary cape]

Dog would never praise you smh

[dusk laurel]

This is the Calamity community

We are in a minority of people who actually read the lore

[real silo]

Well then why the fuck would he call himself a god

that's the problem

[limpid saddle]

I've been here a week i didnt know we had an illiteracy issue

[real silo]

both interpretations have a glaring issue

[limpid saddle]

Because he says shit like that ALL THE TIME

[split mortar]

Fun fact
You know the lore better then most cal fans

[limpid saddle]

Not to mention he is positively tweaking out at that point

[hoary cape]

He is a cocky alien worm that eats gods he probably thinks he is one now

[limpid saddle]

That line shows up at like 15% health he's dangerously close to death

[limpid saddle]

exactly

[gritty kraken]

Ummm is draedon an alien worm now I can’t scroll up and read for context

[real silo]

why would he think of himself as only a god when he's obviously above gods

you'd think he wouldn't consider himself as part of his prey

[hoary cape]

Because what's more powerful than a god? A stronger god

[thick slate]

me

[real silo]

which is still a god

lol?

[dusk laurel]

Coke solos the Calverse

ig

[thick slate]

blindfolded

[hoary cape]

Xeroc is a god and is stronger than dog, so he could be still a god in his mind

[thick slate]

one hand behind my back

[sleek halo]

I am a devourer of bread and when I am on my deathbed I will say “A loaf doesn’t fear death”

[limpid saddle]

yeah you're forgetting that a God has more powerful implications than something like slime god

[stoic gulch]

Is there any lore with scal brothers and cal brothers

[dusk laurel]

Does DoG even know about Xeroc

[limpid saddle]

maybe

[split mortar]

Draedon doesn’t so I doubt it

[real silo]

Well duh

I'm saying this guy is stronger than literally every god except like 3

[sleek halo]

I mean afaik the lien is

getting rewritten

[hoary cape]

I mean would noxus know xeroc is hunting it? If so wouldn't that mean dog would know

[real silo]

why would he consider himself as part of that group

[dusk laurel]

I guess

[hoary cape]

I mean his dialog hasn't been changed in years

[real silo]

either way the interpretation exists and is a very reasonable interpretation so it needs to be rewritten

[hoary cape]

Yharim when dog calls himself a god: well I guess I have to kill you now

[real silo]

The word god has a lot of significance in cal so having this mf just throwing it around like that gets really confusing for everyone

[hoary cape]

Tbf that was his lines before old lore had a doc

So it's ancient

[thick slate]

gevourer of dod

[real silo]

Yeah

That's why it needs to die

[hoary cape]

It will

[real silo]

I know

[stoic gulch]

Does anyone know

[real silo]

scal brothers are known

But not clone bros

[hoary cape]

You aren't a god, but I will feed on your essence none the less - dog 2025

Peak dog quote

[gritty kraken]

They’re dead

[hoary cape]

The clone is a weird boss imo

[split mortar]

The ine with sword was a mercenary and tried to keep their family out of danger from their job and is the middle sibling, scal is the youngest

I forgor the punchy strong one

[hoary cape]

Punchy strong

That's his lore

[stoic gulch]

Thank you

[frigid sage]

Regardless

[hoary cape]

Okay

I ain't editing it mine is better

[frigid sage]

It feels wrong though

[hoary cape]

That's probably because it is

[hoary berry]

irrespective of the aforementioned fact

[frigid sage]

I feel like none the less is more of a transition

As in, “none the less, random words”

[limpid saddle]

On the clone bro's they are necromantic constructs created in their 'likeness' by C.C

Coping mechanism ig

[real silo]

The punchy strong guy is a WWE fighter

Wonder how strong they are compared to the bosses

Would they be strong enough to be post ml level

Kinda doubt it but it'd go crazy

[split mortar]

The summons in Scals fight? I imagine so

When they were alive? Highly doubt it

[real silo]

No I meant their living versions

Yea

[split mortar]

I doubt they were even post Wof

[real silo]

Imagine just a slime god level fighter punching the shit out of normal ass humans

[split mortar]

That’s possible
It’s called pulling up with flymeal and stabbing the guide

[real silo]

you're the guide

melon guide

Imagine if they somehow survived the carnage in azafure

Would they get power boosts from scal getting her powers

[shy swift]

Is it plausible that skeletron and polterghast are “related”?

[real silo]

Polterghast is an accident and skeletron is a curse

[split mortar]

You mean Skeletron?

[real silo]

They're vaguely related

[shy swift]

Ha sorry- autocorrect

[split mortar]

Skeletron is a curse put on a thief by the dragon cult to stop people from entering and stealing stuff/feeding Polter

Polter is a giant conglomerate of super wrathful and powerful souls that got left to starve and dehydrate to death because yharim stopped supplying food and water to the people in the dungeon

Vaguely related but neither causes the other

[shy swift]

Cool

[hoary berry]

i wonder if how you die impacts your spirit in a similar way to how your emotions do

normal --> sad --> angry --> happy
ascending order of strength among phantom spirits

[split mortar]

Happy is beyond angry?

[frigid sage]

Why would happy be stronger than angry?

If they’re happy they don’t seek vengeance

[hoary berry]

#1145541326570524762 message

[hoary berry]

doesn't necessarily need to be a serene sort of happiness

[frigid sage]

Ok

[hoary berry]

maybe the spirits turned crazy due to years of torment and now find happiness in inflicting that same fate upon others

[split mortar]

Oh ok yeah I see that

[hoary berry]

or maybe the power of friendship is just that cracked idk

[hoary cape]

The spirits are too powerful they have the power of the friends they made along the way

[hoary berry]

😨

[hoary cape]

Spirits pulling main character vibes

[split mortar]

Polterghast terrarian when

[hoary berry]

uh

i sort of have one of those

[split mortar]

👁️
do tell if you want to

[wheat walrus]

nevergoon

[limpid saddle]

Given her necromancy presumably empowered them (or they're just fucking cracked & like Mech Boss Tier) I imagine she could figure out a way to do the same to their living bodies (presuming they aren't just built different as aforementioned)

[split mortar]

Their scal summon forms are like post ml strong

A eidolon wyrm (the post Polter strong enemy) has been said to be like around plantera level in dev statements

[spring helm]

Calamitas could probably use some sort of enchanment magic to buff her brothers, but I find it unlikely that her getting her powers would directly enhance them

would probably be in a better state of mind though

[limpid saddle]

Really?

Seems a bit high

[split mortar]

A eidolon wyrm is equal to the average auric dragon

[dusk laurel]

Eyedoughlawn

[limpid saddle]

No I mean Cataclysm & Catastrophes estimation of strength

[split mortar]

Ohhh

[limpid saddle]

If anything the wyrm seems a little low

I thought they'd be like golem-tier or above

[split mortar]

Ah
Well they’re like miniboss strong and further in progression then the wyrms

Where would you put them?

[limpid saddle]

I mean in what given their in-game stats is telling me, I put their strength at like above Mechanical Bosses but in a way where they'd barely make it out

Like it's an uphill battle of punching that big worm skeleton & eyeball

[split mortar]

A brother would beat an eidolon wyrm imo

And plantera is above the mechs

[limpid saddle]

They're REALLY fucking strong, but not THAT really fucking strong

I just don't think Cataclysm & Catastrophe, given their fairly mundane origins would be able to rival a direct equal to an Auric Dragon in strength

[split mortar]

-# I’m on about when summoned by scal

[limpid saddle]

So am I

Being a zombie doesnt make you better at fighting so I like to imagine they are just really strong on the face of it & Calamita's buffs were to other aspects like being on fire

[real silo]

I would imagine making them like 5 times bigger makes them stronger

[limpid saddle]

Do we know that they arent just freakishly tall?

[real silo]

I mean

[limpid saddle]

exactly

[real silo]

They're still ultimately scal's blood brothers

[split mortar]

Yharims freakishly tall and he would super pale in height compared to the brothers

[real silo]

there is no world where that much size variance between siblings makes sense

[limpid saddle]

She got the recessive gene

boom problem solved

[dusk laurel]

No

[limpid saddle]

[dusk laurel]

Normal humans usually aren't giants

Like ever

[real silo]

If catac was genuinely that big then he wouldn't have any opponents to fight

[split mortar]

And aren’t terraria humans like, short

[limpid saddle]

well if block scaling is right then they're all like 3ft

they're practically gnomes

[real silo]

Blocks are 2 ft by 2ft each

[split mortar]

1 block is 2 foot

[dusk laurel]

scal is 5 feet

[real silo]

scary

[limpid saddle]

Where the hell is this information?

[real silo]

why she got 2 legs and 5 feet

I'm pretty sure the blocks being 2x2 ft were from relogic

[split mortar]

The vanilla items that tell you your coordinates I’m pretty sure

[hoary berry]

depth meter and compass

[real silo]

And I mean it makes sense the player is 3 blocks tall so 6 feet tall

[dusk laurel]

Yeah

[split mortar]

Isn’t that with the freekish amount of hair tho

[dusk laurel]

The brothers are NOT naturally larger than buildings

They just got some upgrades

[limpid saddle]

You don't name your children Cataclysm & Catastrophe if they aren't monsterous in some way

this is my belief

[split mortar]

Calamitas isn’t her name so I doubt cataclysm and catastrophe are their real names aswell

[dusk laurel]

Killing you

[limpid saddle]

that's one hell of a stage name then

or i guess

names

[real silo]

Ok but cataclysm is an awesome WWE name

[dusk laurel]

TRUE

[real silo]

And catastrophe could very well be a title for a super strong mercenary

[dusk laurel]

They just had these nicknames

And then Cal decided to do the same

[real silo]

Imagine if calamitas named herself disasteras

[limpid saddle]

What is her 'real name' then if it isn't Calamitas?

[dusk laurel]

We do not know

It simply is not important enough

Especially since her npc name is just Calamitas

This is probably a situation like Permafrost

She just sticks to her nickname that everyone knows her by

[limpid saddle]

then why isn't her name just Calamitas

[dusk laurel]

Wdym why

[eager bluff]

because she is a person

[split mortar]

Because not a good name

[solar wharf]

why the fuck

would a parental figure

genuinely look at their child and say

[dusk laurel]

It also won't fit with Azafurian naming conventions

[solar wharf]

"calamitas, good name, from calamity"

[real silo]

Calamitas is some edgy goth kid ahh name

[eager bluff]

like

[real silo]

Perhaps the only reason she chose the name was because she was an edgy goth kid

Who grew out of it but still had the nickname stuck

[eager bluff]

acheron from hsr has a name but it isnt that important so you dont learn it until the very end of her arc

[solar wharf]

i wont be surprised if its a name given to her because of the amount of shit she has done

or, a name to signify her magic

[dusk laurel]

Which is like Spanish + smth else that I don't remember

[hoary berry]

for some reason i was genuinely shocked when i realised that acheron wasn't her real name

[eager bluff]

spanish + bloodborne

[dusk laurel]

[eager bluff]

honestly quite incredible dot png

[hoary berry]

||i do like how they joked about characters' names early in amphoreus' main quest|| 3.0 stuff

[spring helm]

one piece moment

[eager bluff]

tbh im mostly just a bit confused on why the fuck mydei is imaginary

[hoary berry]

i still have not levelled a single quantum character so i was hoping that he'd be quantum because he's cool as fuck and i want to pull for him

[eager bluff]

hes very obviously based on kalpas from hi3 and kalpas hi3 literally lights himself on fire for fun

[median helm]

What did I walk in onto

[hoary berry]

(this would make equally little sense but. still.

[eager bluff]

well theyre currently rerunning jade so you can pull for her if you dont want the herta lingsha or feixiao

still mad that they're rerunning lingsha and feixiao so soon

[hoary berry]

i do want feixiao though 💔 that's the issue

already failed the 50/50 on her

[eager bluff]

i won my 50/50 for lingsha at 40 pity

[hoary berry]

to be fair i got imbibitor lunae, acheron and firefly without losing a single 50/50 (lunae on literally my first pull i think) so i do deserve to have lost it this time

[eager bluff]

would be building her rn but hsr does not like my phone

[eager bluff]

i rarely lose 50/50s and if i do its always to welt or himeko

[wheat walrus]

incredible lore discussion

[hoary berry]

yep

i got himeko

[eager bluff]

unironically only welt and himeko

[hoary berry]

havent even looked at what her kit is because i'm salty

[eager bluff]

i got himeko and welt both at e2

[eager bluff]

shes actually a really good break dps

[wheat walrus]

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[eager bluff]

(break 3 enemies to follow up with a big damage attack plus breaking an elite gives 3 stacks)

also why did they make rtb support thats like the weirdest move ever

first and currently only character of a new class is a support

[median helm]

I know rught

[eager bluff]

lorious

[wheat walrus]

mfs having a tantrum and removing img and embed perms over an inside joke that's on topic while doing nun about offtopic 🙏, not saying they should do smth about offtopic since it's a part of the channel at this point but im still spiting over the hypocrisy of taking img and embed perms over an inside joke of this channel aight

[split mortar]

Wait just noticed I’m in that

[wheat walrus]

you were always there

[hoary berry]

how did it take you so long to notice

[split mortar]

Melons don’t have eyes :/

[hoary berry]

true...

[eager bluff]

it was a full mod team vote not a one or 2 person thing

[wheat walrus]

still, makes it worse

[eager bluff]

bitching about it wont change what happened

[wheat walrus]

no shot

:/

ill still bitch abt it cause that's what I consider right

[split mortar]

-# they had started it before the new mods popped up, most of which are lore chatters

[eager bluff]

you dont even have to be mad about the embed stuff just be mad about images

lore disc was the exception for embeds

[split mortar]

That’s what people are mainly annoyed about

[split mortar]

Addon chat:

[eager bluff]

i dont go there

[split mortar]

It has image and embed

[eager bluff]

so i wouldnt know shit about it

[wheat walrus]

if we gonna remove perms and even warn people over the forwarded sticker of the terrarian whatever meme then we should also tell devs and mods to not bring up braelor is the bottom jokes cause it was funny for a second but beyond that it's just weird to talk about that kinda stuff when there's minors and when we even had a pinned message here about not being weird about characters for a longass time even if recently that disappeared for some reason

[eager bluff]

you can modmail if you have an issue

yelling into the void wont go anywhere

[wheat walrus]

it's not some worldwide disaster but it sucks, it's hypocritical, it's unnecessary, most of the moderators who voted don't even check this channel, it's overexaggerating a barely even an issue of some meme being posted often that could just be handled with verbals

[wheat walrus]

problem I have is that it even happened, first, second, another vote was made for this and according to one of the moderators who voted on our side, it was close but it was a no; most mods in this server don't even check this place aight

besides, im at most gonna trust modmail if there's some random user doing weird shit, not developers and moderators combined when they already know the deal

[eager bluff]

once again if you have an issue with the moderation and/or decisions made by moderators you can use modmail

[wheat walrus]

I guess I could do that though, worth a try but yknow, I don't expect some big shift from this 🙏

[wheat walrus]

aight stop being a bot :/

[real silo]

Preach onmir

[eager bluff]

didnt know being calm was botlike but sure

[wheat walrus]

dawg you just repeating the same phrase, the same "if you have an issue with our team, please contact our email" type thing

now if you disagree with me aight but don't be the minimod here

[real silo]

mods who don't spend time in lore chat voting against image perms is so let them eat cake esque

[wheat walrus]

honestly

[eager bluff]

it looked like you straight up ignored what i said, hence i reiterated

[wheat walrus]

I voiced my issues about this change and the behavior from people like the mods surrounding it plenty of times outside of this place, it's such a pointless, hypocritical and toxic change that helps no one; it just gets rid of some joke the mods found unfunny despite being harmless, except now they can just freely joke about whatever they want including being horny about characters (which has been long-established to just be, weird and a nono in this server and for good reasons)

[untold oracle]

Sorry are we talking about bs stopgap measures that were arbitrarily made permanent? My favourite subject!

[wheat walrus]

it looks like that because "go to modmail" is so empty and pointless in these kinds of situations where most of the moderators voted for something, something affecting a channel they don't even know about, and those are the moderators responding to you

[real silo]

Even multiplayer hookups has image perms

And it's mfing multiplayer hookups

[wheat walrus]

no image perms cause the moderators don't find the terrarian is you meme funny (because it's an inside joke and most of them don't even interact with this place) 💔

[untold oracle]

The reson any of this happened is
Petty. Spite.

Also indifference to do anything about it

[wheat walrus]

i mostly only bring this change joking about it when I bring it up here, but dawg it's such a pointless, bad-faith and in the end even hypocritical change that only makes the already established community leave this chat, "but the established community sucks!!!" cause of a silly inside joke?

[manic coral]

Tbh I think it was a pretty awful way to go about solving the issue that was at hand but I have already voiced my opinions about this

So

[wheat walrus]

alr

[manic coral]

I won't beat a dead horse

[wheat walrus]

I will until it returns to life

[real silo]

Preach king

Spit your shit indeed

[wheat walrus]

it's not like the horse is dead it's just ignoring us with its steel armor

[untold oracle]

1. Issue was nonexistent (inside joke GASP!!)
   1.5. Offtopic being the justification is bs
2. Said issue is fixed now anyways (Kana is banned, mods are now active here)
3. Solving the issue caused collateral damage (lacking images can harm discussing in some cases)
   3.5. Also very inequal when compared to every other channel
4. Said issue could’ve been solved by literally just warning the culprits, not nuking EVERYONE
5. Hypocrisy. The "issue" is still very much present, with even mods and devs joining it.

[real silo]

the off topic reasoning is quite literally having a gaping wound on your shin and putting a bandaid on your forehead

Or rather having a mild fever and trying to cure it with bloodletting

It's not like image perms are a double edged sword

It's more like a sword with one edge and a blunt side

[untold oracle]

I’d compare it more to stitching a paper cut :/

[real silo]

The pros are you can post spoiler or lore images to aid discussion (edge)
The cons being... meme image?

which mind you only a few people were doing it

And as people have said over and over again is literally preventable by Telling people to stop

You know. Like every other channel

If people were posting memes in other channels mods would just tell them to stop

They would never hold a vote to strip image perms

[wheat walrus]

so true

but yea

the horse is not dead, it's very much alive, just ignoring us behind its armor

[spring helm]

[hoary berry]

Orderbringer

'Shooting stars have streaked across the skies since time immemorial, shining the light of hope upon despair's shadow and earning the reverence of many a civilisation. Such is the power that suffuses blades like this Orderbringer: the light to pierce the darkness, and put an end to this era of bloodshed with but a few final sacrifices.'
spewed this out in like. two minutes. probably a sign that it will need a rewrite but may as well share it

[spring helm]

How big is the CalClone machine

[real silo]

Slightly bigger than scal bubble

I imagine

[spring helm]

So like

5 meters in diameter?

[rose vine]

What do you think is the lore reason Slime King is like that bro @arctic delta

[arctic delta]

Aired ngl

[wheat walrus]

incredible Omniverse return

[real silo]

Probably idk her dimensions

[mighty zenith]

i imagined the size of like, a car

[hoary berry]

just now realising how much i've been underestimating the size of calclone's shell

[real silo]

The size of a 🐱

el wiwi

[hoary berry]

having thought about it more and with some very rough maths based on the size of the image on the wiki, i think i agree with this

the height of the shell seems pretty equal to the length of the average car i think

[untold oracle]

Calclone summons the calmobile and drives over you

[hoary berry]

calclone vs bat man

[mighty zenith]

clone vs man

[real silo]

batclone vs cal man

[hoary berry]

robin vs brothers

[limpid saddle]

I think even the Constructs could beat the shit out of any of the Robins

Except maybe Jason, it's not that they aren't skilled it's just that they haven't really fought anything that abstract

Regular Cataclysm & Catastrophe though? I mean... it's possible

[real silo]

Who's the robins

Is it the family from meet the robinsons

[hoary berry]

no they're birds

[real silo]

you're

[hoary berry]

tiny bird vs necromantic construct of the Brimstone Witch

i think the bird clears

[hoary berry]

i'm

[real silo]

Wrong

Capitalize your I s

You are More than just a lowercase i

✨

[hoary berry]

[real silo]

Anyways I still have no clue who jason or the birds is

[hoary berry]

a robin is a type of bird

i do not know who jason is either

[mighty zenith]

DC character

[real silo]

what's dc

ohh

[hoary berry]

direct current

[real silo]

Deerclops

[reef wigeon]

Maybe I can draw it.

[limpid saddle]

do you like

not know Batman

[cloud ibex]

the horse is currently in hell

it would be a billion times better to bring these arguments directly to the mods instead of only bringing them up here

[wheat walrus]

so here

[cloud ibex]

i was a bit on the fence about the change at first but in retrospect i agree that it wasn't necessarily the best way to go about it

[wheat walrus]

Glad to know

[real silo]

Eh?

[cloud ibex]

but just saying that here won't help when at most three of the mods ever exist here

[cloud ibex]

💥💥💥

[real silo]

I mean I know robin is a character but how am I supposed to know that robins is a DC group

I don't even like dc that much

[limpid saddle]

because that's kind of how these things work

the roles generally will change around sometimes

There's been like 5 Flash's, at least 4 Green Lanterns

& Robin as a sidekick is a teenager who develops to go off & do their own thing

[real silo]

Yea I'm just not aware about that stuff because I don't like dc mich

much

[limpid saddle]

Dick Grayson was the first one, he went off & became Nightwing
Jason Todd was the second, he got murdered by the jerker & came back, then became Red Hood (he shoots people)
Tim Drake he was the third one, wasn't particularly distinct, became Red Robin
& the final & current Robin is Damian Wayne

[dusk laurel]

Wtfrick

Multiple omnis

[split mortar]

Eh, deltaw will make a manifesto soon to be more concise on this matter

[median helm]

Auhg

[cloud ibex]

then please manifest your complaints there instead of here cause it gets a bit tiring to see

😁

[split mortar]

Fair

[mighty zenith]

also that way more than like.... 4 mods will see it

😊

[untold oracle]

Don’t promise anything 💔

[split mortar]

Aight ok

[light linden]

random thing but uh

kinda glad that at least the terrarian meme is gone

that got old for me fast

[dusk laurel]

Offtopic

[light linden]

anyways

do we know anything about what the dragon cult actually did outside of worshipping dragons?

e.g. did they make any advancements in magic?

[dusk laurel]

I don't think we know much about them rn

[untold oracle]

Thing so horrid it’s worth sacrificing everything else for.

[untold oracle]

I think they were just doing some typa crazy pseudoscience

[real silo]

Maybe

Iirc devs said they used CV as an infinite power source for some of their magic

[light linden]

didn't say I liked the whole thing

just that I liked one thing being gone

[fresh brook]

the desert pyramids arent important to ilumeris at all are they?

seem kinda out of place in calamity

[dusk laurel]

The pyramids are from a different civilization

Preceding Ilmeris

[fresh brook]

wait so was the top of the desert always a desert or were the pyramids underwater at some point

[dusk laurel]

Just the surface was a desert, and a sliver of the underground below the surface

[fresh brook]

ahh that explains where the antilions came from then

[sinful adder]

I thought the surface was also water, huh

[mighty zenith]

nope, it was always an underground sea

it just.. wasnt so small

[dusk laurel]

[split mortar]

Yeah the sunken sea was always underground

[limpid saddle]

what common calamity enemy do you think would be cool to have some form of miniboss version

I think there's really some potential in a stormlion miniboss

[split mortar]

Wulfrum

[limpid saddle]

True....

[split mortar]

I thought profaned for a bit but guardians already exist

[limpid saddle]

I mean they're a full boss still but yeah a miniboss & 2 bosses for one subsection of enemies is a little much

[mighty zenith]

roy...

[fresh brook]

i guess a late game evil mini boss would be nice

since evil biomes dont rlly have a point in existance post ML

[magic epoch]

move evil 2 into hardmode

[fresh brook]

eh idk

[magic epoch]

are you saying having evil 1 and 2 directly on eachother is better

[fresh brook]

nah make it post skeletron

[fresh brook]

what progression exactly u think it should be then?

[magic epoch]

post mechs, same tier as calclone

[fresh brook]

they are very hard to place in progression tbh no matter what they feel out of place or something

[magic epoch]

true

i just think late hardmode def doesn't need it, early hardmode def doesn't need it, prehm also doesn't really need it

[mighty zenith]

they're just unnecessary

[fresh brook]

i dont think they should be removed tho

[magic epoch]

nobody said that

[mighty zenith]

neither do i

[fresh brook]

yayyy

[mighty zenith]

i just said they're unnecessary
but we're in too deep with them now

so they're here to stay

[fresh brook]

maybe they could have similar roles to queen slime i guess

but make aerilite no longer unlock from them

move it to another pre HM boss

[limpid saddle]

Do you mean like The Perforators & Hive Mind?

[magic epoch]

that is evil 2 yes

[fresh brook]

i think evil 2 is best either right before wof or right after wof

either one

or maybe have them upgrade like ravenger post wof would be nice

[limpid saddle]

that is such an awkward colloquialism for it

[fresh brook]

nuh uh

[limpid saddle]

Though it does seem it'd be very awkward to try rework them to, what, Queen Slime tier?

[fresh brook]

yah

[dusk laurel]

Yep

[limpid saddle]

Don't add more to the rework fire

[fresh brook]

either way its kinda awkward in their placement

[limpid saddle]

lest this mod either die unfinished or finish when we're all dead

[dusk laurel]

Early hm would be best, if there weren't already 50 million bosses at that tier

[dusk laurel]

They're probably getting reworked

Since they have planned redesigns

[limpid saddle]

[fresh brook]

fr the hm bloat is insane around mechs

[dusk laurel]

Like most other bosses in the mod

[mighty zenith]

post mechs would be fine if calclone died

cause like

calclone is the single most unnecessary boss

[limpid saddle]

but cal clone is peak 💔

[mighty zenith]

no the fuck shes not...

[dusk laurel]

Cal clone doesn't do much imo

She's just kinda

[mighty zenith]

she's designed to be a weak version of an endgame boss

[dusk laurel]

There

[fresh brook]

cal clone is getting a rework anyway to fit more into lore and stuff anyway

[mighty zenith]

she barely has any identity besides being basically a halfway point mark

[limpid saddle]

There's so much potential

[dusk laurel]

She doesn't serve much of a purpose

[limpid saddle]

& the bossfight is great i'm not stepping down on that one

[dusk laurel]

And is relatively unimportant other than unlocking Ashes of Calamity

[spring helm]

right now she mostly is there to reveal a bit more of Calamitas' power and how it works

[dusk laurel]

Guess what's gonna happen

[fresh brook]

i guess evil 2 being cryogen / queen slime tier kinda makes sense since at that point we fight alot of the biome bosses

[mighty zenith]

theres already way too many bosses there

8 pre-plant bosses is ridiculous

[dusk laurel]

👆

[fresh brook]

it makes sense to be there but the current bloat is crazy

[mighty zenith]

the solution is killing queen slime 😊

[dusk laurel]

Based,,,

[spare pier]

Calamity is cancelled

I discovered Genshin Lore is the same as Cal Lore

[spring helm]

[dusk laurel]

[wheat walrus]

🙏

to think that i alr knew about the 2 being hella similar despite not even playing

im so peak

[spring helm]

wait are they?

i havent played genshin

[wheat walrus]

dragons and gods

or archons iirc is the name of the gods actually

[limpid saddle]

can't believe hoyoverse entertainment ripped off the Calamity mod smh my head

[cloud ibex]

-the one who named an official calamity character after a genshin impact character

[spare pier]

AND a One Piece character

[frigid sage]

The Devourer of Cheese

[gritty kraken]

they should add the Yhars to genshin impact

[soft geyser]

Aureus is a crab

[split mortar]

Not possible sorry

[pliant ruin]

What.

[frigid sage]

He eats cheese

[split mortar]

Why would he eat @pliant ruin :(

[frigid sage]

The Devourer of Devourers of gods

[limpid saddle]

chats thoughts on Signus

[split mortar]

Pretty cool, would like if the fight leaned into the fact they’re a deal maker and could use fragments of others that they had gained from deals

also dev statement saying they’re equal to noxus in the distortion hierarchy is cool

And that they said they’re basically distortion Satan

[reef wigeon]

Do you know what the power of the primordial light is or was it never said?

[magic epoch]

the only thing we know of iirc is that it can conjure copies of previous enemies

[split mortar]

Primordial light is used by the rod of discord and is used to make the clones in boss rush

And also daytime empress is them using PL

[split mortar]

And teleport you

[magic epoch]

the iirc

[split mortar]

Better to know then not

[reef wigeon]

Vexen: How disappointing. We've been following the wrong box!

[reef wigeon]

(kingdom hearts reference)

[magic epoch]

does anybody understand the ref

oh okat

y

[reef wigeon]

Who thinks that the primordial light should have the power of creation?

[limpid saddle]

I wonder how daytime Empress scales since she can wield the Primordial Light

[split mortar]

Omni scaled that I think? It was like town level or whatever
Below Deus I think

-# calamity makes her not oneshot

[limpid saddle]

that's kinda the whole point of daytime empress though

[sinful adder]

This is unlikely. It can make illusions or copies of things which have some real effects (as seen in boss rush), but that's all

[split mortar]

Well calamity makes the terraprisma drop from nighttime tbf

[limpid saddle]

Yeah, Daytime Empress should still exist unimpeded as an optional challenge

[sinful adder]

My understanding is that it makes her comparable to Providence or something

I forget the details

[split mortar]

It doubles her damage and speed iirc

[magic epoch]

harsher debuff

rsr

rsr

Rdr

Fuck

[sinful adder]

Hmm. Idea

The normal EoL fight has her escape at the end. Later in the game, you get an optional quest to summon her in a special way to make her fight at full power and not escape. Alternatively, fighting her during the day at any point gets the same result, but makes the fight be the vanilla one

What do you all think?

[real silo]

Provi 0.5

[pliant ruin]

i agree

its kinda dumb that they made her not oneshot, thats like

the point

specially since u can get terraprisma from nighttime

The only reason i can see that is valdi is so that empress isnt overpowered narratively which i mean fair i suppose

[dusk laurel]

Madoka Magica

[hoary cape]

Imagine not being able to survive 60k damage

[limpid saddle]

If anything the one-shot makes MORE sense in Calamity since she manipulates the Primordial Light

which to my awareness is the most powerful thing in the setting

[pliant ruin]

i mean i dont think thatd make much sense because like

why wouldnt xeroc just onetap you then

[magic epoch]

maybe he could

[spring helm]

because he is testing us?

[pliant ruin]

i mean according to dev statements its not rly whath es doing

its a friendly spar

hes limiting himself just enough to not kill you, hes still using a good chunk of his strenght

[spring helm]

then it still works?

[spare pier]

Fab thought the challenge being just "EoL except she oneshots you" was boring so he changed it

That's it

I think it was Fab's decision at least, I'm not even sure

[real silo]

He is usually the one making boss changes

[spare pier]

I mean more that idk if it was a collective decision or he just woke up and said "amma do it"

Either way I don't really care, I don't do it

[pliant ruin]

i mean not really

i dont think he can go from

having a fair fight with you

to ONESHOTTING YU

[spare pier]

Yeah, that's just not happening

[pliant ruin]

and still call that "using a good chunk of his strenght"

😭

like at that point bro is just using 8% of his power

[real silo]

Xeroc sends 300000 lumens into your brain

[spare pier]

I have always mentioned my metric for how fights work in terms of stats is similar to One Piece

[pliant ruin]

Like xeroc is limiting himself in the same way two anybody else having a friendly spar would

[spare pier]

In that usually fights will last for a long while but if there's a significant gap in strength one side will just

[pliant ruin]

atleast thats how i see it

[spare pier]

Be winning

[pliant ruin]

hes just limiting himself as to not fucking kill you

[spare pier]

Yeah

[pliant ruin]

not because ur significantly massively weaker and he needs to baby you

[spare pier]

Like, he's going to try and stab you with a spear

He'll just

Stop right before the spear fucking goes through your head

And say "Yeah I win"

[pliant ruin]

"gg wp"

[spring helm]

i was thinking of boss rush when i said this

[light linden]

Hi Rebecca

Oh wait this convo was 2 hours ago

[ruby heart]

as if you accepting it or not will change something

making your creature design look plausible increase its economy a lot

[light linden]

Hi triangle

Can I ask a question?

[ruby heart]

its what monster hunter does, a fire breathing wyvern isnt a realistic thing, but they make the design in such a way it make sense biologicaly and look like it could exist

(im under fever rot rn.. can explain it better later)

[ruby heart]

ye

[light linden]

Actually this prolly ain't the place to ask it

I'll say it in #calamity-addon-talk

[trim peak]

Fovos

[cosmic zenith]

Yeah
Realism can be detrimental to fantasy, but coherence (how believable something is in context/universe) is very good and something we always strive towards

[wheat walrus]

It ain't realism, it's naturalism if I had to say

I always specify when talking about MH monsters that something like Anjanath is impossible under any realistic condition, but MH does what very few franchises do and explain Anjanath's behaviors, physical features, why it does what it does and why it has what it has almost like some sort of real creature, it's not realism because it still cannot exist, but it just has that root into nature by explaining itself under a consistent logic within its own universe

Now having everyone be Bulldrome levels of grounded wouldn't work despite what I've seen some people claim about MH and realism, but MH being some DnD deal with more generic wyverns that don't have any form of biological explanation also would be bad

[wheat walrus]

Yep, coherence is also a good word

[sleek halo]

I imagine we would push him to use his full strength

just

non lethally

I do wonder how long

we could last against a Xeroc absolutely trying to kill you

I mean considering that we fight noxus and live, I would assume decently long

[latent bolt]

would it be reasonable to call an Armored Digger (soon to be called Deconstructor) made with exotechnology a Prism Destroyer

[spring helm]

I guess that could work

Destroyer is a modified Deconstructor anyway

[real silo]

A prism destroyer that doesn't destroy prisms

Curious...

[eager bluff]

i dont want my stories to be realistic i want them to be believeable

[winter flicker]

dap me up with the lore

[split mortar]

World soul shatters

Dragons do stuff with them and become auric dragons, much stronger beings with control over certain domains of the world like fire or gravity or the actual fucking sun

Alien attacks after atleast 2 thousand years and nearly kills the civilisation of auric dragons but got sealed on the moon

Many dragons are dying and xeroc, monk of the dragon king zeratros creates the god ritual and absorbs the king utterly and becomes the first God, Xeroc whose domain is of the sun and shadows

This knowledge spreads and auric dragons start being used up for god ascensions left and right

Many centuries later when all but 1 dragon has been consumed yharim is made to kill and absorb yharon while they’re still in the egg, denies fate and gets barely saved from the hatching dragon flying them out of a pit of lava for betraying their gods

Yharim and yharon start the crusade to kill all gods ever no matter who they are

Permafrost the archmage joins and so does the first and largest city azafure which lets the crusade have no problems with the supply of weapons and armour for the crusade

Draedon the super intelligent robot ai joins 22 years after the start in exchange he is given what’s needed to do said science and advances the technology of yharims forces by centuries in just decades

The wall of flesh is made to contain the god essence from slain gods for good, for even in death their stains are permanent and grow over time

Decades later the devourer of gods join, a creature from the alternate dimension known as the distortion that can consume god essence and “destroy” it, they also have an ego bigger then themselves and an appetite to follow close

The brimstone elemental awakens in azafure and starts destroying stuff, a random poor child somehow gains equal power and tries to fight the physical manifestation of heat to protect the city but in the end it is destroyed in hellfire anyways

Second message soon

Yharim sends the child to go end the kingdom of illmeris which resides in a underground sea, thanks to the abundance of water and their way of fighting including a lot of electricity they were able to repel yharims forces, but Calamitas the child with power beyond all gods but xerocs was able to incinerate the very water and gods that protected them

Permafrost due to how yharim was had left, yharim then sends Calamitas to end permafrost but to protect him she instead traps him in a ice construct to hide him from yharim and make him think it’s another creation of permafrosts

Calamitas leaves shortly after

Draedon is tasked with replicating calamitas power and instead of doing that starts making the nano plague, a artificial mechanical virus that infects living matter and controls it, yharim seeing this as something vile gods would do gets enraged and in a single hit blows out a quarter of the underground laboratory and accidentally frees the infected specimen releasing the plague on the jungle and also kicks draedon out for this

Braelor and statis (2 very strong warriors of the gods) challange yharim to a fight to the death, braelor physically contends with the godseeker and in a opening statis is about to kill yharim, but devourer of gods seeing a moment of hesitation uses that to send statis and braelor to the distortion, statis and braelor are gay

Statis gets out with a deal that costs an arm and leg (literally) while braelor is stuck in the alternate dimension

Yharim goes to draedon months after and requests for a upgrade to his auric armour, draedon obliges since he barely worked on yharim before and so yharim becomes even stronger

Then the games beginning starts

After defeating the wall of flesh and releasing the god essence shortly after the astral star crashes down (stars are meteor sized clumps of mana) infecting the area around it

There a summary of the lore missing a bit I think

[winter flicker]

that crazy

[pliant ruin]

also i'm god

[winter flicker]

ye

[frozen zodiac]

i never thought about how the jungle lab is torn apart and it has the broken plague "beds" inside it set aflame

[dusk laurel]

[mighty zenith]

this is fun. can we keep playing this?