lore-discussion

[spare pier]

Though I also think on this basis, it'd be more like increasing the size of already present matter than increasing the general density of the space itself

[sinful adder]

Mass is real life space magic energy

[wheat walrus]

real life doesn't create portals to evil looking world tho

but you're right in that real life does have cool stuff already

[sinful adder]

The laws of physics allow this if you do certain things that may or may not be possible

Like have negative mass

[spare pier]

Take the pill

1 - Universe is chill with gravity
2 - Gravity doesn't exist in Calamity

[wheat walrus]

time to beat noxus americans

[spare pier]

One of the options is far more sensible than the other

[sinful adder]

More accurately uh

If you have negative gravity you can do weird shit

[split mortar]

Persmaps gravity to crazy degrees is what gets denied

Therefore black holes wouldn’t exist

[sinful adder]

So the universe is fine with positive gravity but not negative gravity maybe

[spring helm]

considering how gravity refuses to work in a way that allows for classical physics and quantum mechanics, it might as well be magic

[spare pier]

Or it's because the distortion caused by gravity is far more smooth than that of causing one by itself

[spring helm]

the Distortion????

Noxus is the one providing the energy????

[spare pier]

The difference between laying down a ball softly on the fabric vs trying to punch it

[sinful adder]

Also, the kinds of limits you discuss kind of happen in real life, having gravity without mass causes violent ripples that disperse the energy and return to a flat state

[spare pier]

Gotta love how Cosmic Mine entry just allows me to talk about this shit lmao

Since, yeah you might assume that none of this is getting into Calamity because it'd be the equivalent of putting a full physics book in a game

[spring helm]

rebecca im going to need to switch majors to understand what the fuck calamity is about now

[split mortar]

Insert science is magic image thing

[spring helm]

hard magic systems are just physics lmao

[wheat walrus]

monster hunter ecology...

[split mortar]

We wiggled a rock fast enough and with enough electricity it can think, I think it’s more so science is magic lol

-# cpu

[spare pier]

These REALLY SPECIFIC SHIT about how the universe as a whole works isn't going into Cal, but you can definitely expect a basic cosmology guide in the game itself

[spring helm]

with all my years of reading, i've basically come down to the conclusion of
"it's magic when there's mana involved or otherwise specified as magic"

[wheat walrus]

(they do have books that are separate from the game though)

[spare pier]

Since, yeah I'm also not really talking about how they work in specific, just

Coming up with sensible theories with you to answer them

[spring helm]

i mean you can just have a wall of text that draedon gives you if you ask him the right questions

[wheat walrus]

better than abysmal dogshit tho

[spring helm]

ask Draedon what is gravity and he just lays out the entire wikipedia article

[spare pier]

The fact that we can do this shows that we did a good job at writing the fundaments of the universe

[wheat walrus]

the auric heretic drained all his efforts and energy because of his opponent who was very strong

[spare pier]

🔥✍️

[wheat walrus]

best calamity fan ending in history

[spring helm]

what is that riffing

[spare pier]

Can't wait for you to read about Stars and planet formation

Wait I talked to you about planet formation before no?

[spring helm]

[spring helm]

i dont remember

[spare pier]

Either way

It's cool

[dusk laurel]

Moon Lord puked out Terraria

[spare pier]

I think I did a very good job at explaining how planets form in Terraria

[spring helm]

wait a fucking minute if stars are giant balls of mana where the hell does the matter for planets come from

[spare pier]

I'm going to answer that in another way

[wheat walrus]

uhh if you're referring to auric heretic thing it's a reference to that one jjk fan ending from last week which sucked and everyone shat on it because it had all the nasty stuff like tracing, possible ai, google translator writing and even the creator of it making fun of the official one and gege

[spring helm]

lmao

[spare pier]

The answer for your question is in the discussion before

[wheat walrus]

shit was the definition of 🔥🖊️ but ironic

and it isn't even completed, but that's good the first part of it vaporized me

[spring helm]

ok i go look through the search function for "planet" and i just see Altraxia saying

Malaysia is not a planet

[dusk laurel]

[spare pier]

Lightning attack is coming towards him
FUCKING EATS IT

[wheat walrus]

it's already almost 1am what the fuck

[wheat walrus]

lmao

[spring helm]

[spare pier]

Byeah, one day we all just sat down on Dev and

Wrote down all of the basic cosmology we needed for Cal's universe to work

[split mortar]

Crackpot theory

Since it’s possible gravity to too high of an extreme gets undone maybe that’s why no irl star type things are known

Their gravity always gets denied and they deform into planets

[wheat walrus]

do you think curses were hindering my life with anime homer looking face

[spring helm]

it's crazy how the devs sat down one day and made the Calamity version of the Theory of Everything before irl scientists could do it for our world

[spare pier]

So true

[wheat walrus]

if calamity developers are so smart, then why do they not write a theory of everything in real life? are they stupid

[split mortar]

So true oomie image

[wheat walrus]

oomie

[split mortar]

Fuck

[wheat walrus]

new title

dw

it's good

[split mortar]

Fuck it I’m keeping it

[spare pier]

OOMIE LMAO

It's funny because I also have a theory of everything for my own story

But that one is just

[spring helm]

wtf rebecca just become a physicist already

[spare pier]

"God showed up one day, made the planet, made two guys who REALLY wanted to get a woman and a woman"

"And then they fought for the woman a lot"

[dusk laurel]

[wheat walrus]

which of the 2 womans

[spare pier]

And then a lot of plot

[split mortar]

Hmm, polycule could have sorted this

[spring helm]

should have just made out :/

[spare pier]

Unironically

[wheat walrus]

so true

[spare pier]

A polycule would've solved the entire story

[light linden]

What

[cloud ibex]

Is this the

[light linden]

What is going on I just got back

[spare pier]

Though humanity wouldn't exist because they were born out of the death of those two guys

[spring helm]

it's like a tragedy, it all could have been avoided, but their personalities and characters dictated that they fall

[cloud ibex]

Very simple backstory [40 minutes of explaining ensue]

[spare pier]

Yes

It's that one

[cloud ibex]

Lmao

[spare pier]

And I didn't even get to the incest part

[spring helm]

im quoting that

[spare pier]

It's important to the story I promise

[dusk laurel]

[cloud ibex]

Of course

[split mortar]

Ok but everything silly starts like this

[split mortar]

[cloud ibex]

He doesn’t know…

[spare pier]

Because, you see

[split mortar]

……

[wheat walrus]

sweet home alabama

[cloud ibex]

Oh god she’s starting again

[spare pier]

The woman didn't like being paraded as a prize by those two guys

And she had children

[cloud ibex]

Brace yourselves

[split mortar]

:(

:(

[wheat walrus]

🥲

[split mortar]

:(

[dusk laurel]

Dear god

[spare pier]

One of her children went "hey, I want to rule the world. But we gotta kill them first. I will help you if you give me a child"

And then they did that

[light linden]

[split mortar]

:(

[light linden]

I regret coming back to chat

[spring helm]

this is gaia and her kids

[wheat walrus]

alabamium family

[dusk laurel]

😭

[spare pier]

So they killed the two guys

[split mortar]

Not a okie dokie way to end my day before I sleep

[spare pier]

And now this guy tried to kill ALL OF HIS SIBLINGS because they were also in the way

But he failed because one of them was really goated

[dusk laurel]

Real

[spare pier]

But everyone else died

[wheat walrus]

the kendrick to these dudes' drake

[split mortar]

Lmao

[spare pier]

And also the woman which was called Delta vanished

[cloud ibex]

Anyway that’s probably enough derailing the chat from my end

[wheat walrus]

yea do smth mod

[spare pier]

One second I need to explain why the child is important

[spring helm]

y'all really telling Reb to shut up lmao

[cloud ibex]

Do you really

[wheat walrus]

offtopic and nsfw, think that's a warn if not a mute right, this ain't the first time we got nsfw and offtopic :/

[spring helm]

where nsfw

[split mortar]

Considering it’s the Alabama child
Prob best to give context

[cloud ibex]

[wheat walrus]

braelor and statis positions is all imma say

[split mortar]

-# wha

[cloud ibex]

But yes calamity lore

[wheat walrus]

I think I told you alr :/

[split mortar]

I’m tired

And I should go sleep

I’ll do that soon

[spare pier]

So, ok this guy then comes back to life because of his powers and then he goes "damn, my brother is too goated I need to get stronger" so he goes to Delta and grabs the kids because his contingency plan in case he lost the fight to his siblings was to eat his child's soul because that'd make him super strong

[wheat walrus]

portal to #general-talk summons where Reb is standing

[split mortar]

1+1=2?

[cloud ibex]

Reb

[spare pier]

Yeah that was wall

[spring helm]

okay but the important question is

[spare pier]

I meant to say all

[cloud ibex]

[wheat walrus]

of what, of flesh?

[dusk laurel]

wawa

[spring helm]

wait no there was no question

the important thing is

Yharim sweeps the verse :/

[spare pier]

Anyways Calamity Lore am I right

[spring helm]

do they have elementary particles in Calamity

that are like ours

[split mortar]

The mana system and stuff?

[spare pier]

Probably or else uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh

[split mortar]

Exo particles

[wheat walrus]

xeroc the biggest fraud, moongoat propaganda

[split mortar]

Waves are always a option

[split mortar]

:)

[spring helm]

[spare pier]

Anyways amma go back to playing Genshin

[split mortar]

Bye

[spring helm]

farewell

[dusk laurel]

7 hours

[spring helm]

see you in the next world

what the fuck 7 hours

[split mortar]

?

[wheat walrus]

one time, the great green will reach you, and you will not last for you have never approached it once in the past

[split mortar]

Oh

7 and a half hour genshining

[grim harness]

Is there a lore reason for DoG's head contact damage being so high?(This is a mix of a joke question and a genuine question)

[split mortar]

Bite

[grim harness]

Yeah I thought about it as soon as I sent the message

[split mortar]

Looking at the resprite

The contact damage will probably be because you’re going in its mouth

[grim harness]

K

[split mortar]

Hope the next time the physics of calamity is brought up it’s as oeam as this chat was

[faint plank]

tf does oeam mean

[split mortar]

Peam

Typo of peam

And peam

Is typo of peak

[dusk laurel]

Fucked up spelling of peak

[split mortar]

Anyways I go

[dusk laurel]

Bye bye

[hoary cape]

Nuh uh no sleeping for you

[heady vapor]

Is Clamitas talking bout Yharim in her fight?

Like the stuff about taking power and reminding her of someone?

[spring helm]

yes

[sudden ruin]

its peam

[reef wigeon]

Hey, I'm back guys.

Question: Does primordial light only come from the sun or is it also in other stars?

[dusk laurel]

Just the sun

[reef wigeon]

I already suspected it considering that the Empress of Light's lore item says "in the starlight, she falls weakly" Or something like that

And what are the primordial Wyrms themselves? Are they familiars of the auric dragons or something like that?

[spring helm]

There is only one primordial wyrm

It is the oldest eidolon wyrm, which are dragon offshoots

Dragon offshoots are children/descendants of auric dragons, but they do not have an auric soul

Primordial Wyrm is not only the oldest Wyrm, but also has been blessed by the goddess Silva, though it hasn’t been stated what the blessing specifically does

[reef wigeon]

Speaking of the abyss, as far as I know, the Terminus is an artifact of infinite power that Xeroc had kept in the abyss, but it lost its power little by little.

Am I wrong?

[spring helm]

We don’t know anything about the terminus outside of what Xeroc tells us in the boss rush

It held great power once, but we don’t know what that power is

One theory here in the channel is that it is required for a “perfect ascension to godhood, where the divine domain the ascendant receives is the same as the original auric soul’s domain, as seen with Xeroc and Silva.

This would explain why it holds no power now, as there is only one auric soul’s left and no mortal (except Yharim) has knowledge of the ritual required to ascend.

Could be something else though so 🤷‍♂️

[reef wigeon]

Although I know that wrath of gods is not canon, the nameless deity song seems to make you reflect on what you have done, reaching that point, and he tells you that being a God is a curse. Furthermore, we also have to take into account that we don't even know what a nameless deity is, whether it is a Xeroc from a non-existent timeline (in which he was the creator god if I recall correctly) or an angel of god

[calm patio]

nameless isnt xeroc

[wheat walrus]

i mean the way felix is talking about nd isn't too wrong here

nameless can be xeroc, not the current main calamity one though

[calm patio]

[spring helm]

composite Xeroc scaling

y'all ever think one of the Godseeker knights saw Yharim get his ass beat by Braelor and Statis and said
"My GOAT is washed"

[spare pier]

Please don't put it like this

[spring helm]

lmao

omnious

rebecca

i dont mean to step over your boundaries but

you've been playing genshin for like 10 hours

are you okay

[spare pier]

Maybe

[spring helm]

video essay coming from the lore writers explaining lore when

[wheat walrus]

in terms of WoTG's own "canon", WoTG doesn't care much about canon but, Lucille is neutral on the naming thing, testers call it Xeroc and ND interchangeably and will tell you that it is Xeroc, even if it takes root from an older concept of it and does its own thing

now I really don't like WoTG fans and their negativity about Calamity, it's annoying as hell, but imma say that it's not a sin to call ND "Xeroc", at most it just causes confusion, but with the knowledge that WoTG is its own thing mostly separate from Calamity that doesn't do anything with canon, calling ND "Xeroc" should be obvious that they don't mean the same exact character as Calamity's Lore, the problem comes from how it causes confusion from more clueless people methinks

[dusk laurel]

10 hours of genshin is crazy

[wheat walrus]

still, WoTG fans shitting on main Calamity and how they're taking a quadrillion years to do something "that will never reach ND" is unbearable abysmal dogshit tier

:/

ND is cool but stop being unbearable

[spring helm]

when the addon finishes faster because it has less things to add

[wheat walrus]

no shit!!!

lowk when people shit on official anime with several episodes that are at least 10+ minutes long but usually longer for being worse than the 20 second fanmade clip that took months, only time that was true was those Blue Lock Season 2 clips that looked worse than videos made by some teen with capcut and/or alight motion

and even then, not the animators' fault really but the higher-ups giving them the prisoner treatment lowkey

[spring helm]

crazy how people can make better products when given ample time to do so

[dusk laurel]

Unfathomable

[wheat walrus]

while also not having a huge backlog already

[sudden ruin]

zamn havent seen this one but thats lame!!

i am a fan of wotg but like thats not very comparable

[wheat walrus]

seen it a bunch of times

[sudden ruin]

and like the new content is peak?!!

[wheat walrus]

youtube users a few times, wotgcord too and I think Leddit

[sudden ruin]

oh man i thought from what i saw wotgcord was chill

some cool artists and people theree

[wheat walrus]

idk depends

maybe I stepped in the wrong time

but whenever they talk about cal, especially about lore they kinda annoying

[dusk laurel]

Yeah

I checked gen in wotgcord once a while ago

And the discussion about the base mod's lore was questionable

[wheat walrus]

mfs when the challenge is not mentioning Sea King Bestiary Entry at any point whenever cal lore is mentioned

"The seventeenth ruler of the constitutional monarchy of Ilmeris since the tribes of the Ilmeran Sea unified, under the Electric Goddess, Otonilou, and the elusive God of the Seas. Alas, one cannot be a ruler without subjects, and while he remains widely respected by those who opposed Godseeker Yharim, his kingdom is no more." it's quite wordy but like, mfs be treating it as if it was the downfall of society

[dusk laurel]

Smth smth "wall of text bad"

[wheat walrus]

tens of thousands of deaths and abandoned homes per year because of Sea King Bestiary Entry's existence btw

[wheat walrus]

I think the problem there is here is that the first part is hella wordy and the most of what it adds is mention the existence of 2 gods without clarifying on them, while the second part is already known other than the minor detail of him being respected by Yharim haters

now the entry is a combination of many details that in the grand scheme of things are not relevant, which is what people don't really like combined with it being wordy; the thing is here is that these details either already are relevant to the worldbuilding, or don't seem to be but will probably be (I assume the 17th ruler stuff will be relevant to piecing a part of the timeline), however what they care about is that gameplay above all so we don't gaf about anything that goes too far beyond it

but I don't really agree, Terraria doesn't care about worldbuilding and even Red is just whatever about lore, now Calamity is a Terraria mod but who cares if it fits or not at this point, ND is in no way in line with anything from vanilla, and having a big combination of tiny bits about the world where everything happens that can be combined into making an actual living world is cool; the issue with Amidias Bestiary is it being wordy, that is not some sin that means Calamity Bad and Calamity Lore Terrible, any complaint beyond the wordyness is taste, not Calamity Lore being ass

this kinda reminds me of MH Fans often times shitting on its lore, like when Haunting Of The Sun book dropped and BannedLagiacrus (some mh loremaster guy of twitter lmao) an early translation about Magala reproduction method, everyone started shitting on it for being "retcon and bad" and said that mh lore sucks because of these kinds of things, then a proper translation came up that actually explained it well (it wasn't a retcon and it wasn't as absurd as monsters suddenly turning into Magalas) and no one gave a shit

like bro if you don't like the lore or the presence of lore you don't have to engage with it :/

especially when you're gonna take

one (1) isolated text that's lower end compared to other stuff and start generalizing everything and even exaggerate it calling the entirety of the thing bad instead of that one text

[indigo glade]

People need to stop doing fan translations.

They're never good.

[wheat walrus]

the problem is

there's no official ones for most of the books 😭

and the one book in recent times that had one has a multitude of issues

Banned kinda just dropped a quick recap of his translations, the more detailed one also was fanmade

[indigo glade]

People still meme on certain manga translations, such as Attack on Titan.

I think JJK also had issues with fans simply translating the manga incorrrectly...

[wheat walrus]

iirc the big issue with JJK was the anime had localization problems rather than fan translation problems

at most I remember that one JJBA Part 4 fan translation being made fun of a lot

the problem with MH books is that they're almost never localized, and hold a lot of important information

[indigo glade]

Duwang.

[wheat walrus]

so, many translations are done, there can be goofy mistranslation problems but most of the time they get corrected

[indigo glade]

The difference between Duwang and other fan translations was that it was very obvious it was translated horribly.

[wheat walrus]

really the only time mistranslation was a major bother was that one Safi'jiiva Dev Note that to this day people use to say that Safi'jiiva is canonically a Fatalis rival, when the note was talking about how their designs are both western dragons and thus counterparts, when the actual Safi'jiiva rival is Alatreon if anything

still, the Magala situation was more about Banned having this habit with his twitter posts of giving a recap of what he translated looking at it not from the perspective of the in-universe writer of the thing, but rather from a meta perspective, his own perspective from what he read while translating (which is why he specified that the reproduction stuff was changed, rather than expanded upon), that and how while he leaves the chunk of text he translated, most people don't give a shi

then another twitter lore person (Luty iirc) pulled up with direct translations and explained the situation better, but that didn't have much reach in comparison to the original post from Banned

fan-translations are bad if they aren't done proper, or if you already have localized material and the localization isn't problematic

fan-translations for MH books are lowkey salvation for mh lore fans 🙏

there's dialogues, lots of it but it doesn't expand nearly as much as the books do, especially in newer games

[pliant ruin]

wahr th efu

[wheat walrus]

chess ♟️

[pliant ruin]

♟️ chess

[light linden]

@pliant ruin you're cheese right?

[pliant ruin]

ye

[hybrid barn]

Ooohhhh

[light linden]

Maybe I shouldn't think about calamity stuff at 2am anymore

Just realized that if an exo prism was ever thrown into a black hole it could create the end of the universe

[limpid saddle]

Well a black hole deconstructs the matter it consumes the exo prism would be destroyed before it could siphon it's limitless energy

[sinful adder]

This isn't guaranteed, if the infinite energy phenomenon persists

[reef wigeon]

Hey, where could I learn about power scaling?

[snow mountain]

don't. very shrimple

[faint plank]

scal microwave level

[limpid saddle]

dm omni

or go to a fandom wiki

[wheat walrus]

aaaaaaaaaaaa

my calcium, the only calc yall can actually see is the beginner boss tier one cause vsbw did smth good for once and I didn't need to do my thing, other than that it's discord msgs from server soooo

[split mortar]

@reef wigeon in case you didn’t see

[light linden]

Lore chat is as dead as Zeratros today lmao

[split mortar]

The super funnies

[manic coral]

god forbid those guys play literally any other game ever

[wheat walrus]

the sea king entry killed my family...

[manic coral]

like

[wheat walrus]

im literally calamitas irl

[manic coral]

the average dark souls npc has thrice as much dialogue than this

god forbid they have to read an item description either

[split mortar]

wtf is a metaphor

[wheat walrus]

why is the dragon ball curse everywhere even outside of db community...

[split mortar]

It isn’t the dragon ball curse

It’s the internet curse

[wheat walrus]

lore curse especially ngl

[manic coral]

like i dont really care what people who thing 2-3 fucking sentences is "too long" think about my writing much but i do wonder where this even comes from

[untold oracle]

Are people actually complaining about the length of the sea king entry?

[manic coral]

there's been people who have complained that the BoC whisper is too long

[wheat walrus]

it's more about it being wordy and providing information that to these people isn't useful, which means that the sea king entry is shitting on the player or smth

[robust osprey]

calamity players when a long text

[wheat walrus]

amidias killed my dog man

[split mortar]

Wtf

[untold oracle]

Wait until they hear about Yharon

[warped summit]

dog man?!?!?

[manic coral]

what

this confuses me even more

[wheat walrus]

idk I remember scrolling through wotgcord like weeks ago or smth like that and they were talking about sea king entry as if it being wordy was an offense to the player lmao

[split mortar]

How does providing no heavy amounts of useful info equal shitting on the terrarian

[robust osprey]

why tf would you read bestiary entries for helpful info

like you just need to read the debuff resistances for a boss

[manic coral]

welcome to episode 176 of "people hold mods people made for free to a higher standard than the base game which people are literally paid to work on"

[split mortar]

True

[manic coral]

like idk if they are expecting some information about how somethign acts in the bestiary but like

i specifically avoided that because you can easily figure that out by just fighting the enemy

[split mortar]

Talk about how he gives quests
-# not like the quest button gives that away when he gets quests

[robust osprey]

quests?

[wheat walrus]

kushala daora

[manic coral]

it's be redundant to explain what an enemy functionally does because you have to fight and kill the enemy to get the entry

[split mortar]

Amidias getting quests instead of a shop in sso iirc

[robust osprey]

oh neat

[wheat walrus]

(iceborne, cause I can't allow people to be pleased)

[manic coral]

top be fair it's not a quest button, you have to actually

GASP

talk to him

[robust osprey]

who tf uses amidias shop anyways

[robust osprey]

the end of the world

[indigo glade]

Dialogue trees? In MY Calamity Mod?!

[split mortar]

Atleast 1 weapon is pretty solid iirc

[indigo glade]

I will not stand for this!

[manic coral]

having to talk to npcs is bad game design, as we all know

which is why 95% of games have you do it

[indigo glade]

I know you and your lorewriters have complete control of how the game is designed, putting lore over functionality!!!

[split mortar]

Having to do anything but put 297372747284 attempts into bosses without downtime between them is bad game design as we all know

[robust osprey]

lorewriters will turn the whole mod into just a giant wall of text

you dont play anymore, you read

[manic coral]

ok seriously i'm sorry but like. imma be real here. cal's bosses aren't even good enough to make a good boss rush-esque game imo.

like

they're not BAD

they're all pretty fucking good

but not THAT good imo

[robust osprey]

true!

I dont get why most people just focus into beat the evil woman and the giant mechs and nothing else

[untold oracle]

Minecraft players focusing only on ender dragon

[robust osprey]

thats even worse the dragon isnt even a good boss

😔

[untold oracle]

And then complaining whenever an update doesn’t help in said arbitrary goal (the entire update is USELESS!)

[split mortar]

Bedrock wither

[robust osprey]

[split mortar]

Imo the tricky trials update is pretty damn good

Since well
Content

[untold oracle]

I don’t think any update is bad

Some of them were just a little underwhelming lol

[robust osprey]

minecraft players REFUSING TO FUCKING UPDATE beacuse a certain update not letting them spam the sword and win

[mighty zenith]

this is terrifying for calamity players

anything longer than 4 words is too long

[hoary berry]

well that's not a great sign for the text wall of a theory i may be bombing this chat with at some point soon

[mighty zenith]

1.9 combat has its issues but god, the old one was just a competition over who can click faster and is preferred by server lag

it sucked

[untold oracle]

Reason why I don’t touch hypixel

It’s just a test on who has the better autoclicker 😭

And then they call it more skillful than 1.9 combat

[split mortar]

Hypixel has more then just PvP I’m pretty sure

Thouhh go idk haven’t touched the place in half a decade

[hoary berry]

real

[untold oracle]

I used to do skyblock there

[warped summit]

i think last time i played mc, i was replicating Stampy's sky island challenge

[untold oracle]

Then me and my friends decided to make the genius move of making our own minigame server with custom gamemodes we made with command blocks (modded too)

Lowkey goated

[hoary berry]

last time i played was probably to replay terraswoop force

[split mortar]

Yeah I had started skyblock hypixel but I lost interest quickly

In Minecraft in general

[hoary berry]

i only have motivation for multiplayer minecraft at this point i think

just because playing with friends can make pretty much any game fun

[split mortar]

Minecraft is cool
Just idk not my type of game to play alone

[untold oracle]

We also did modded battle royale servers that we built custom locations to as well as working loot boxes of different tiers with custom loot tables

It was just 3 ppl but so so fun

[limpid saddle]

Me for coral crusher & nothing else

[stoic gulch]

Me

I like the crab

It’s not even that good I just like em

[light linden]

Random thing

Do we know if Draedon ever used Cryonic for anything?

[stoic gulch]

What are essences in lore

[light linden]

Havoc and whatever the cold one is called are tied to the Brimstone Elemental and Permafrost iirc

[split mortar]

Essences are soul stuff iirc

So prob souls of beings who were tied to that element enough that their soul literally started inhabiting that thing a bunch

[stoic gulch]

Thank you

[indigo glade]

He did some testing for Permafrost with it, but we have no evidence of Draedon using it for anything practical.

[split mortar]

Yeah, I imagine that they found out about it shortly before they moved in from early hardmode materials and onto late hardmode

[untold oracle]

Would it be ridiculous if the moon were to crack/break apart by the release of ML

[light linden]

Is this old lore then?

[split mortar]

I can see them being tied tbf

Mainly things created by them are what drops them

[untold oracle]

The seal being abruptly broken releases such a strong burst of energy along with ML itself departing that the whole moon visibly breaks (fragments would become the exodium clusters in atmosphere)

[light linden]

Ok wtf

[split mortar]

I can see that
I wonder if ml lost a significant amount of energy teleporting to the planet for the fight

[light linden]

I just ran into someone with an Armarouge called Yharim 5 times in a row lmao

[untold oracle]

I headcanon terraria has multiple moons anyways

[split mortar]

Lmao

[split mortar]

Ok but it makes sense

Full moon after solar eclipse

[untold oracle]

There are many moons ingame

[split mortar]

Also the seal having an huge amount of energy

IIRC a dev said it might be stealing power from ml

[light linden]

Ngl

[split mortar]

Might be old lore? Nvm

[light linden]

I wonder if luminite is fragments of the moon lord's bones

Just overloaded with mana from stars

[split mortar]

Even in vanilla I thought that

But we see the luminite in exoplanetoids and also see the bones fall

[light linden]

Fair enough

[untold oracle]

I imagine luminite is just a strong metal from that one moon fovos was sealed to

[split mortar]

crystalized moonlord power that is weak due to ml being a husk

[light linden]

Also uh

Was that whole argument about nuking the exo mechs something that really happened?

[spare pier]

You're at a good time

Because yesterday I wrote a tooltip for something which explains what Essence of Havoc is

[split mortar]

Aye

[hushed dagger]

does yharim want the terrarian to absorb yharon's auric soul lol

[untold oracle]

NO

That’s like

The worst possible thing you could do to him

[spring helm]

Which is why we must do it

[mighty zenith]

also the absolute last thing yharim would want us to do

[untold oracle]

‼️ true

[mighty zenith]

he'd literally rather have us kill him than absorb yharon's soul

[untold oracle]

Troll yharim

[light linden]

Imagine if we absorb Yharon's auric soul and keep reviving Yharim

[light linden]

Hi Rebecca

[split mortar]

That would auric spring lock him AND he would like, instantly kill himself if the thought crossed his mind

[spare pier]

Hi Thunder :D

[mighty zenith]

explodes ur hair

[light linden]

Can I ask a question about Draedon?

[spare pier]

Sure

[hoary cape]

Baldifies Garbo

[light linden]

Actually it might be more of a question about aureus

[spare pier]

Go on

[light linden]

Has there ever been official info about what aureus looked like pre infection?

I'm feeling creative and wanna make an exo tech version of aureus

[spare pier]

No

[mighty zenith]

you fool

theres no head to baldify

[split mortar]

You can prob uninfect aureus yourself

They don’t seem too effected looks wise

[light linden]

I could but I wanna make sure before I start

[light linden]

Ok ty

[indigo glade]

I'm going to turn off your weird fire.

[mighty zenith]

im not aureus!!!

[split mortar]

We will shower you.

[hoary cape]

Does turning off the fire have a charmander effect where it dies after

[mighty zenith]

no

[split mortar]

No, but it does weaken it or something

[mighty zenith]

it just like
stalls the engine or smth

[split mortar]

It powers down when fires off

[light linden]

Ok wtf

I have ran into this Yharim Armarouge 9 times today

[spring helm]

Canon

[stoic gulch]

That’s sick

[untold oracle]

Yes you are

Everyone knows a pfp is exactly how you look like irl

[dusk laurel]

Yep

[split mortar]

:/

[dusk laurel]

Very true

[split mortar]

Totally

I am Moonlord fovos irl yes

Destroying life I am

Yes

[dusk laurel]

You are a scourge of the universe

[untold oracle]

🔥 ✍️

[split mortar]

@wheat walrus you know where old lore scaled? just curious

[wheat walrus]

dunno

[split mortar]

:calg:

[strange stump]

@mighty zenith garbo
i am literally phobos

isnt this awesome

[mighty zenith]

i think you're uh

stuck in hell now

[strange stump]

fuck

[thick slate]

jet

[split mortar]

Jet?

[thick slate]

me

[split mortar]

Oh ok

[hoary cape]

Geico gecko

[limpid saddle]

[frigid sage]

I am five pebbles

I have cancer

[split mortar]

Just like idk

Cure it

[frigid sage]

I killed my sister

[split mortar]

If so smart why can’t cure, are they stupid

[frigid sage]

And I am a giant superstructure

[gritty kraken]

Use terraformer with astral solution

will wipe the rot

[frigid sage]

Why didn’t I think of that

Good idea

[light linden]

you know

I wonder if that would actually help with some medical conditions

might kill tumors

[sinful adder]

I think astral would just "enlighten" the tumors and make them try to spread to the rest of you

[pliant ruin]

i mean i don't think that's hot it would work because tumors aren't sentient but idk

it affects non-living matter to be fair

so actually it probably would

[hoary cape]

Well tumors are technically living being cells still

[pliant ruin]

they're living just not sentient but

astral affects even non living so

[hoary cape]

Ye

It affects living things, but has a really hard time going after sentience

Which is why we are not affected

It somehow got deus though

[pliant ruin]

I mean deus isn't sentient as far as we know

it might be though, ig

[sinful adder]

Astral affects almost(?) anything that isn't sapient, which includes both sentient animals and no sentient living and nonliving things

It turns trees into monoliths, after all

[spring helm]

you get super astral cancer how nice

[frigid sage]

I am thinking of using dynamite

[gritty kraken]

yeah that was the joke about using astral solution on a big computer box

[frigid sage]

Astrum Pebbles

[solar wharf]

fuckin hell man

[limpid saddle]

I think the implication & Dreadon's wider theory suggests it's a juvenile Deus who didn't recognise the star they were presiding over as infested & either directly ingested the Astral Infection & fell ill, or something to that effect

[spring helm]

real af though, kids just be eating anything and get sick

[light linden]

Kinda wondering

Y'all think there are any doctors of note in calamity?

[frigid sage]

The nurse

[light linden]

I said doctor

[devout grove]

The one enemy from the solar eclipse

[light linden]

She is the closest to my knowledge of an actual medical doctor though

[devout grove]

Dr Fly or something

[frigid sage]

Dřæðōň could probably be a doctor though

[light linden]

What

[frigid sage]

Ðřæďōň

[light linden]

[devout grove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1032523225890029599/1294551796605517845/DraedonStand_1.gif

Fuck

[limpid saddle]

I mean he probably doesnt have an actual legal doctorate but given his wealth of knowledge yeah he could be considered a doctor

But like the PHD-holder kind not neccesarily the medical kind

Though he did develop the Plauge Nanovirus so... maybe?

[sinful adder]

Why is he named Draedon?

Is this addressed anywhere?

Is he actually Dr. Aedon?

[magic epoch]

Dr. Aiden

[real silo]

dr (samuel h)aedon

[mild hatch]

Are the One Drop yoyos canon?
As they're kinda crossover/dedicated content

[pliant ruin]

i mean
i suppose going by the crossover rule no

but they're like the most harmless crossovers ever i think

so idk

[magic epoch]

true

[pliant ruin]

i dont think devs thought abt it too much

if at all

[split mortar]

How blatant of a crossover thing is it?

Cause Draedons heart is canon despite being senator armstrong

[pliant ruin]

i mean

theyre blatant references because theyre literally real life yoyos

but likeee

it's the most inconsequential thing ever

draedons heart imo is fine because its not

Armstrongs Heart

its Draedon's Heart

and despite being obviosuly a reference

it has visible differences

[reef wigeon]

What would be Xeroc's tier (post-ascension)?

[pliant ruin]

wdym tier?

like powerscaling or

[magic epoch]

probably

[reef wigeon]

Yes

[magic epoch]

do we even know enough about them to slap a label

[pliant ruin]

i mean we don't really have enough information to know precisely

but not above planetary

that i know as much

none of the cla characters go above that

[split mortar]

Country to continental is what Omni has scaled (likely country)

Though what we know is not much so it can very much change with any new info

[reef wigeon]

It seems that the wiki people are against omni, because they say that Xeroc is universal LOL

Although the truth is I don't know much about power scaling

So I can't really give an opinion.

[split mortar]

That’s probably due to taking item descriptions that are meant to be cool and over exaggerated as canon and literal

[magic epoch]

wdym atom splitter doesn't split atoms

[split mortar]

Also what wiki…

[faint plank]

wdym galaxy smasher doesnt smash galaxies

[magic epoch]

wdym enforcer doesn't enforce

[reef wigeon]

Wiki fiction without limits (The name is weird because I read one in Spanish. I think the original is called allficcion)

[cloud ibex]

i was about to make a joke about plantation staff but then i remembered the guy who went into suggestions discussion ages ago to say they should rename it since whips were being added in 1.4

[magic epoch]

What

This shit NOT CORRELATED!

[cloud ibex]

they got really defensive over it when people went "what" as well

[cloud ibex]

the correlation was that slaves used to work at plantation and slave owners used whips

[faint plank]

what

[cloud ibex]

as the guy who literally named it all i was thinking of was "plantera......... plants :DDD"

it was really funny

[split mortar]

Well idk theyre wrong then

The writers and what we know of points towards everything being below planet level

[reef wigeon]

Wdym doesn't Super Nova make a super nova?

[split mortar]

No it doesn’t

[reef wigeon]

NOOOOO :<

[untold oracle]

Agghhh

[reef wigeon]

(Sarcasm)

[untold oracle]

My brain hurts

[reef wigeon]

I find it funny how the community made an easter egg turn into an almighty god (goozma)

[mighty zenith]

may depend on how old the wiki is

[split mortar]

Old lore was silly strong

[mighty zenith]

but also i dont remember old lore xeroc being universal either

ridiculously strong sure

[untold oracle]

That one guy who scaled the terrarian to ultrafartversal after completely ignoring dev statements and calling the writers wrong because the tooltips clearly show otherwise

[split mortar]

What

[mighty zenith]

readit

[split mortar]

:(

[reef wigeon]

Are you sure he wasn't talking about the original Terrarian?

[mighty zenith]

a constant in powerscaling is that hyperbole is not real

nothing can just sound cool, everything is perfectly accurate

[reef wigeon]

You know, the one that is not modified.

[magic epoch]

"there's NO EXPLANATION other than that the terrarian HAS to be ultramegaversal unless-" over exaggeration because cool

[untold oracle]

I was just about to send the image

Oh well

[split mortar]

There’s people arguing current calamity transcends concepts by slimegod in places :/

[magic epoch]

[untold oracle]

See THIS is what I mean

[mighty zenith]

i think they just dont understand what domains are

[split mortar]

Yeah

[mighty zenith]

like
they think killing a dragon/god means getting rid of that concept entirely

which is ????

[reef wigeon]

They also say that the Terrarian and almost all bosses deny Regeneration and Immortality because they can kill the corrupted slime

[mighty zenith]

ah yes the dragon of death is dead therefore no one can die anymore

[split mortar]

Gotta love how after the queen slime fight all slime enemies stopped existing

[magic epoch]

auric slime

[mighty zenith]

killing xeroc turns the sun off

[magic epoch]

killing moon lord removes the- wait I don't think it works like that

[pliant ruin]

killing me gets rid of all cheese in the world

[split mortar]

ML ain’t a god or auric dragon therefore moon stays

[pliant ruin]

thankfully. im immortal

[latent bolt]

i cannot stay dead

[magic epoch]

(that's why I said the last part)

[mighty zenith]

yeah because the dragon of death is dead

:D

wait

[magic epoch]

i may be amethyst but my domain is actually over all gems in the world

[mighty zenith]

paradox moment...

[snow mountain]

my domain is your mother

[magic epoch]

how did they die? just bend death to your will and kill anyone who fucks with you? idiot

[magic epoch]

[mighty zenith]

say no to death! nobody can kill you without your consent

[snow mountain]

i will

[mighty zenith]

[reef wigeon]

I think one explanation for that is that even after death, the gods or auric dragons are still present (spiritually)

[magic epoch]

whenever I see this i think it's like a stoned hank hill as a corn cob

[pliant ruin]

having a domain dosen't mean you're the source of all of it

[magic epoch]

im not elaborating

[mighty zenith]

it is

[pliant ruin]

it just means you have powers related to that domaina

dragon of death isn't the reason death exists, per example

[magic epoch]

death was invented by John Death back in 7800 bc

[mighty zenith]

people in 7801 bc

[magic epoch]

🫸🫷

[reef wigeon]

Exactly. It is different if you were literally born connected to that concept or to the concept in a primordial state (primordial light, for example).

[latent bolt]

death already existed long before dragon of death

[reef wigeon]

It's like the kwamis from miraculous

If they cease to exist, the concept also ceases to exist.

(by the way, I think kwami means "quantum god" or something like that)

Hey, now that I think about it, could there be more gods of light than just Xeroc? I mean, there are more than 100 suns in the universe, so it would make sense (But I don't know if it's the same in Calamity mod)

[pliant ruin]

There's just 1 sun as in the big ball of primordial light in calamity as far as we know

but who knows

[split mortar]

Xeroc is specifically sunlight

Which is different to normal light

So a normal light god could exist

[magic epoch]

you're telling me that my diamond torch isn't powered by xeroc?

[split mortar]

But they would be drastically weaker

[reef wigeon]

Providence wanted to consume the sun and burn the planet or am I wrong?

[split mortar]

Torch god:

[split mortar]

Old lore

She still wants to burn the planet though

But she isn’t sun related

[mighty zenith]

i feel like the powers of gods and dragons are restricted to the planet (and things that affect it like the sun)

since it came from the world soul and all that

[pliant ruin]

xeroc is technically still something from the planet

because he's not god of the sun

he's god of the sun's light

[mighty zenith]

yeah

[split mortar]

Yeah

[mighty zenith]

sunlight reaches and affects the planet

so it still counts

[split mortar]

This indicates the sun is called primordial

[reef wigeon]

(to be more specific, the sunlight that reaches the planet)

[mighty zenith]

the sun is alive

[pliant ruin]

yeh

[magic epoch]

primordial's light goes crazy

[reef wigeon]

Exactly, does the primordial light have the power of creation or does it have several more powers?

[mighty zenith]

we know xeroc can create temporary copies of creatures using it

but thats all

[magic epoch]

xeroc vs galeem (start of world of light)

[mighty zenith]

xeroc vs GOD ITSELF

[reef wigeon]

I also create the most powerful artifact of all calamity mod...the rock

[magic epoch]

light balls :3

[mighty zenith]

xeroc didnt create the rock

they carved it from the dragon aerie

[reef wigeon]

I'm very outdated even though the only lore I read was the current one

[reef wigeon]

(rather misinformed)

Is there a place to submit fanarts here on the server?

[magic epoch]

Calamity art server

[mighty zenith]

#general-media is fine too i think

[split mortar]

Even in old lore it was just a rock

What you’re thinking of is probably the terminus

[reef wigeon]

I find it very strange that we have Xeroc's pre-ascension design but not that of other gods.

[split mortar]

We know atleast 1 dev thinks slime god was a femboy

[reef wigeon]

That leaves me with doubts, although I think it is so that we do not know if the pre-ascension design connects with the post-ascension.

[split mortar]

And silva can basically shapeshift

[green bay]

What

[magic epoch]

dude even more gender envy

[split mortar]

What?

[green bay]

Im never killing slime god again

Poor lil femboy 😔

[reef wigeon]

¿Tahw

[split mortar]

Twink death slime god image here:

[mighty zenith]

slime god shifty eyes gif

[reef wigeon]

(I will draw the meme)

I'm sure knuckles will approbe my meme

[reef wigeon]

(I wrote "approbe" on purpose)

[magic epoch]

slime god gender pipeline image

[cloud ibex]

true

[reef wigeon]

Is there an official appearance of Yharim without a helmet?

[split mortar]

The what

[cloud ibex]

no

and there won't be

[reef wigeon]

Theory: Yharim without a helmet is the appearance of the Terrarian

[split mortar]

There won’t be

They don’t want us to know yharim below the armour

They’re both human iirc

Also why was my text grey for a while

[magic epoch]

because no image perms, #calamity-mod-talk message

[split mortar]

Oh lol

[reef wigeon]

Are you using night mode? That's what's loading the message

[magic epoch]

i believe that means it wasn't sending

[untold oracle]

No Yharim is ryan gosling

[split mortar]

Did like 5 messages appear suddenly?

[reef wigeon]

No, Yharim is the rock

[untold oracle]

No that’s xeroc

[split mortar]

Yharim is buffer then buff

[magic epoch]

I wasn't paying attention I was grabbing that image

[untold oracle]

You saw nothing

[split mortar]

Even you fall to the xerox typo

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1112873622562947104/1324777611054022801/1315430425207767170.gif

[reef wigeon]

No, Yharim is I...I'm Steve

Question:Who is your favorite character?

[untold oracle]

Hmm

[cloud ibex]

draedon because he's robot guy

[split mortar]

Idk, feels semi obvious for me

[mighty zenith]

(Yharim is really really cool)

[reef wigeon]

(I don't know what it says there)

[mighty zenith]

WROUH WROUH WROUH WROUH

[split mortar]

Wrouh

Auto

Correct

[mighty zenith]

||its the stupid ass noise aureus makes when it takes damage||

[reef wigeon]

Oh LOL

Where did you take the picture?

[mighty zenith]

stole it off reddit

cause it was funy

[split mortar]

Reddit mod and discord mod

[mighty zenith]

tru

i get to kill stupid people with hammers its great

[reef wigeon]

Banned

meme stealing has been banned by knuckles in the year 20XX

[untold oracle]

Probably Calamitas, although I think it might change to Permafrost once SSO drops

[split mortar]

Ok but calamitas will swear

[reef wigeon]

My favorite character is Xeroc or Calamitas instead, she is the only one who has a soul of all the villains honestly

[split mortar]

When we fight her she isn’t really a villain anymore

[untold oracle]

Will she actually or was it just hypotethical

[mighty zenith]

antagonist turned ally

[split mortar]

Pretty sure it’s an actually but I don’t rember

[cloud ibex]

she can swear once, as a treat

[mighty zenith]

let calamitas say "fuck" day

[untold oracle]

I forgot Xeroc

That’s also pretty high on my list

[mighty zenith]

i think xeroc is too enigmatic for my liking currently

[split mortar]

Xeroc will prob get higher up when we learn more

Too little for me to really say

[mighty zenith]

they're definitely interesting but as a character yeah

too little to go off of

[cloud ibex]

xeroc is part of the dream blunt rotation

[mighty zenith]

soldier tf2, GLaD0S, Xeroc

who else

[split mortar]

Don’t you write xeroc as hyper chill while also them speaking in verses or something

[cloud ibex]

yes

[untold oracle]

Stoner xeroc

[split mortar]

Glados?

[gritty kraken]

Who’s tf2

[cloud ibex]

i've been SAYIN this

[split mortar]

Team fortress 2

[untold oracle]

These newgens don’t know…

[mighty zenith]

i wanna hit a joint with glados

get her high on idk LSD dream simulator

for the playstation 1(?)

[split mortar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1112873622562947104/1324777611054022801/1315430425207767170.gif

[reef wigeon]

I think Yharim really makes him look like the villain

[split mortar]

Yharim is the hate gods guy and that is the god guy

Maybe some bias

From what we know they may be protecting the entire planet from alien threats (noxus) tho

[reef wigeon]

The truth is, if he wasn't there, who knows if it was betrayal or if Zeratros simply told him to absorb his soul.

[split mortar]

Yharim wasn’t

[cloud ibex]

the only reason yharim knows is because The Most Biased Dragon In Existence told him

[reef wigeon]

That's what I mean

[cloud ibex]

and i'm not even sure if it was possible for yharon himself to have been there to see it

[mighty zenith]

iirc yharim describes the whole thing very vaguely

[reef wigeon]

It's literally the "I asked my b*lls and they said yes" meme.

[mighty zenith]

like, all he says is that the monk visited Zeratros until eventually they came out shrouded in primordial light

so i think yharon just assumed it to be a betrayal

[gritty kraken]

Xeroc walk out of zeratos room and everyone noticed he’s shiny and zeratos was gone

[cloud ibex]

the primordial-light-shaped-throat-jak

[magic epoch]

why tf that guy glowing

[cloud ibex]

eated a lightbulb

[mighty zenith]

we outta light

[reef wigeon]

The only truly sinful God would be those who came after, since they did betray the dragons.

[cloud ibex]

mmm

are you sure

you sound very confident

[reef wigeon]

Xeroc simply said "hey, I'll save you eats his soul"

[gritty kraken]

yharim

[cloud ibex]

*maybe

[mighty zenith]

we dont know that

[cloud ibex]

*we don't know

[reef wigeon]

Exact

[mighty zenith]

they couldve been a traitor
they couldve been innocent
couldve been a lot of things

[cloud ibex]

for all we know it might not have been their idea

for all we know there could have been other dragons who willingly gave up their souls

[mighty zenith]

if anything, the only gods deserving of death would be malicious

[gritty kraken]

Then the yharm happens

[cloud ibex]

i like to imagine the dragon of life gave their soul to silva willingly cause they were like "yeah no our time is over, you take it from here"

like a form of evolution

[mighty zenith]

i don't think their ascension should decide their fate

rather what they did with that power

so like
provi definitely deserves death

[cloud ibex]

as did the dragon of flame

[untold oracle]

Double it and give it to the next person

[gritty kraken]

Silva should give her soul to John boomer wyrm now

[real silo]

Can't do that

Well she technically already did

[reef wigeon]

And as far as we know, only Providence was really a traitor (Or maybe I was wrong, but I did read up to that part of Calamity's lore)

[real silo]

Well to be a traitor you have to be friends with them first

[cloud ibex]

yeah

[real silo]

Provi definitely wasn't friends with fire dragon

[reef wigeon]

The Empress of Light is like: "Yes, I became a god, PRAISE ME"

[cloud ibex]

i like to imagine even the other dragons didn't like the DoF

[real silo]

Evil dickhead dragon

[dusk laurel]

Evil

[pliant ruin]

ridley

[hoary berry]

same pretty much

Willow, Dragon of Life — his was a dream grand in its glory… and in its ultimate impossibility. The first Auric Dragon, he wished to see the world enveloped by all manner of ecosystems and lifeforms—with his kin at the top of its hierarchy, forever ruling as the benevolent overseers of the world. Freely given power, however, begets complacency, and the draconic kingdom fell to ruin at cosmic hands. The approach of death, his antithesis, humbled this dragon, diminishing his ambition—so he blessed the individual he felt best resonated with his dream and left the world in her hands.
Silva, Goddess of Life — hers is a dream both gentle and awe-inspiring. Having inherited grand power and entwined it with her own, Silva’s understanding of the deepest workings of the living world is unfathomable even to the greatest of mortal minds. She wishes to see her domain cover the world, all life equal in its unfettered brilliance.

i am not good at coming up with names so uh
willow
because tree

[pliant ruin]

i am wood

stupid

[hoary berry]

[mighty zenith]

what a beautiful duwang !

[wheat walrus]

Not against me, just not really agree at all

If you're referring to FC/OC, some of their scaling wouldn't be too bad as I can get Calamity up to 4D (Universe Level+) and Low Multiverse Level (115 4D structures specifically); the thing is instead of using stuff like the tooltips they use Yharim Cynosure Item despite the fact that Yharim is so blatantly hyperbolic there; granted I did notice some dude changed up 1 or 2 pages with my scaling in FC/OC

But scrolling a bit it seems you're talking about the Spanish wiki with a title that translates to something like Limitless Fiction; I checked it once or twice but I'm pretty sure a guy I knew from here (Calmain) and FC/OC was working on it just based on how I saw him there; that guy prefers to scale Calamity through tooltips like I mentioned earlier, so 4D/Low Multi isn't unreasonable to him, we chill tho idrm this kinda scaling even if it's not really consistent with what we know happens in-universe (and what the devs say, but dev statements about specific power don't matter too much imo), I really only find stuff like Outerverse Level Calamity EoL and Slime God based on taking words to the utmost literal conceptual extent possible

[mighty zenith]

jumpscare

[wheat walrus]

[pliant ruin]

omni jumpscare

[gritty kraken]

old Duke moon level

[wheat walrus]

Giant Clam Moon Level

[pliant ruin]

ngl i think giant clam is giant clam level

[cloud ibex]

Brave

[wheat walrus]

Clamversal

[mighty zenith]

clamful

[hoary berry]

i need to finish my piece...

been sitting on it for months now

[spring helm]

Since EoL is in hardmode stage of progression, logically by transitive property everyone past moon lord is FTL

Perhaps FTL+

[dusk laurel]

Clamarous

[cloud ibex]

💥

[gritty kraken]

for the low seed

[wheat walrus]

fatter then lite

[sleek halo]

well provi def does but

idk about dragon of flame

i don’t imagine they were nearly on the same level as horrible as provi

[cloud ibex]

Well

That is a pretty high bar

[sleek halo]

considering provi in concept is like

uh

the worst person with yharim

[cloud ibex]

They didn’t need to have been a genocidal dragon to have deserved to die

[split mortar]

Being not as bad as providence is a very big amount left open

They could still be an absolute dick who deserved it

[sleek halo]

i mean

nothing to really suggest they did deserve to die

afaik

[hoary berry]

i feel like there's the issue of
who decides whether someone deserves to die?

[sleek halo]

uhh me

[split mortar]

I do

[sleek halo]

and I say a good deal of ppl in calamity do

[split mortar]

True

[cloud ibex]

Hard to argue with that

[pliant ruin]

i do

im cheese

[hoary berry]

damn three arbiters of death

in lore chat

[limpid saddle]

Alot of people have argued 'evil dragons' for why Yharim's philosophy is wrong & with Flame & Death it mostly seems on vibes

[pliant ruin]

death is not evil as far as we know

more so neutral if anything

[sleek halo]

[pliant ruin]

but fire is generally seemingly agreed on to be evil

also frost is a thing

who's also pretty evil

[limpid saddle]

by who???

[limpid saddle]

& what did they do????

[pliant ruin]

they sorta

got sealed/killed by fellow dragons for being a traitor

or smth like that

[split mortar]

Pretty sure devs treat fire dragon like the example of dragon that is dickhead

[limpid saddle]

This wasn't in the lore document...

[hoary berry]

controlling temperature is evil
if you have an AC you are a wicked individual...

[sleek halo]

dev statements

[split mortar]

Frost dragon was also made up after bountiful harvest

[pliant ruin]

lore doc only has things ingame

[sleek halo]

not canon but give something ppl to discuss

[split mortar]

Like Shakidou

[sleek halo]

and might be added later

[limpid saddle]

Whatever it helps Aftermath theory

[sleek halo]

like people like God of Space

[limpid saddle]

I was just pondering where exactly all this came from

[split mortar]

Triangle is the guy who came up with frost dragon iirc

[pliant ruin]

Devs talking here or in spoiler talk

[split mortar]

But I think lore writers are fine with the idea idk

[dusk laurel]

I'm flaying you

:3

[cloud ibex]

Rude

[sleek halo]

me when I’m cold and so I make it everyones problem

(real lore trust)

[split mortar]

I am going to throw you

[limpid saddle]

mostly when Rebecca or Cei pull up in my admittedly short experience it's to get harassed by everyone in chat about their lore theories & queries (i am everyone)

[reef wigeon]

True XD #general-media

[pliant ruin]

Triangle also does a bit of it in spoiler tlak

[pliant ruin]

Project_Moon_Media

[sleek halo]

Usually cei shows up to random lore drop

[cloud ibex]

Oh yeah I haven’t asked reb if they’ve found it yet

[limpid saddle]

Get harassed about lore questions?

[cloud ibex]

Gotta remember next time she pops in

[pliant ruin]

usually not but he does drop new lore teasers

[deft vessel]

Or dragonball

[sleek halo]

Reb just appears at the mention of one piece

[hoary berry]

started a timer, let's see how long it takes for her to appear

[cloud ibex]

I was just about to say

Let’s put it to the test

[sleek halo]

and obviously even if it’s 15 hrs later it’s correlated

[split mortar]

people started theorising on how spatial manipulation magic worked in complex physics terms like 2-3 days ago and asking Rebecca if it were accurate

You ain’t the only one lol

[hoary berry]

yepp

[sleek halo]

because I said so

[limpid saddle]

i was there

i know

[split mortar]

Throwing you

[limpid saddle]

[reef wigeon]

Bro, you've given me the Enrico Pucci jumpscare - but thanks for answering in such detail

[sleek halo]

well obviously the magic system is super fleshed out…

I mean it’s been mentioned like

idk

not much

at all

[hoary berry]

i wish i were present for that conversation because i would have loved to participate

[split mortar]

It was at like 1 am or something

[hoary berry]

ah

were you awake for it...

[reef wigeon]

(This jumpscare specifically https://youtube.com/shorts/rtSdBHqv7wU?si=ciesrotLVEz39ZE)

[split mortar]

Yes…

[hoary berry]

i feel like you really need to fix your sleep schedule

[split mortar]

It’s consistently 1 am it’s not broken

[hoary berry]

consistently bad

[sleek halo]

well

[cloud ibex]

Hey that’s my line

[sleek halo]

melon when do u wake up

if sleeping at 1

[split mortar]

When I have college?
6-7 am

[sleek halo]

oof

[cloud ibex]

Yea you need more sleep

[sleek halo]

i mean u can start college later…

[split mortar]

Yeah I have been trying to fix it recently

[sleek halo]

not all classes start at the same time…

[hoary berry]

also you say "consistently" meanwhile i see you staying up till 4am fairly frequently...

[sleek halo]

ideally I would like to sleep at 12 am and wake up at 8 am or smthing

[split mortar]

Yeah but 3 out of 4 days have it start at like 9 am

[sleek halo]

yuck

that big of a disparity sucks

[split mortar]

It takes a 30 min walk there