lore-discussion

[hoary cape]

Go through the back

[spare pier]

When I say "come across" as literally "him showing up on your screen"

If you wanna do this ingame you'd have to basically never go to a side of your world

[split mortar]

Be within 3000 metres of the guy

[pliant ruin]

i mean technically

you can get from the dungeon

from underground

[limpid saddle]

What if you close your eyes & run toward him with noxus spray

[mighty zenith]

just break into the dungeon smh

[pliant ruin]

so thats actually not that impossible

[spare pier]

Until you can break Dungeon Bricks

[mighty zenith]

hoikful

[split mortar]

Reaver shark

[untold oracle]

Hoiking is canon

[hoary cape]

Dungeon guardian when it kills you even when you go underground

[spare pier]

Not impossible, but no one would do it unless they actively knew about it

My point with this thing is more just, when doing a normal playthrough

You'd always come across the Old Man

Before ever trying to enter the Dungeon

[split mortar]

Why is dungeon guardian so much stronger then sanstron

[spare pier]

Curse bullshit

[limpid saddle]

uhhh kinetic force

[pliant ruin]

I will admit this explanation isn't one i'm a huge fan of bc it seems to open up more questions than answers, going from the dungeon without seeing the old man honestly has happened to me a few times even when i wasn't intentionally doing it and it dosen't really answer anything the baseline explanation of Evil Skeleton Curse dosen't

[limpid saddle]

he spins for longer & faster & thus hits harder

[pliant ruin]

hes just really fast

[mighty zenith]

bouncer polter is much funnier so i will keep headcanoning it

:3

[pliant ruin]

evil giggle ghost

[spare pier]

Well ok elaborating on it I just think that Curses become significantly stronger when you break them. All Curses have a "trigger" and if you hit said trigger they become stronger

[limpid saddle]

So how does Skeletrons curse work when you fight him?

it seems pretty triggered then

[split mortar]

That an explanation for why scal nukes you if you exit the box?

[spare pier]

It's kinda like Bites the Dust?

[limpid saddle]

so triggered that the guy explodes

[untold oracle]

I headcanon going to dungeon in prehardmode is just hide and seek from polter

[hoary cape]

Does the old man have control over transforming because you ask him about the curse at night and he just becomes skeletron

[limpid saddle]

i think polterghast is just taking a nap

& the god essence makes him wake up & tweak out

[pliant ruin]

canonically it p much is

until you show up

and it tweaks out yeah

because it goes

fucking yharim

[spare pier]

Also like how

[split mortar]

STABSTABSTABSTABSTABSTABSTABSTAB

[limpid saddle]

I see...

[pliant ruin]

Mostly because it seems to just, not work if the player dosen't go from the entrance

[split mortar]

I do like that this is a potential answer to the scal box enrage thing

[hoary cape]

What the clothier even do to get cursed with a giant skeleton thing

[pliant ruin]

And it dosen't seem to answer any impertinent answers

[split mortar]

Rob dragon cult iirc

[limpid saddle]

too old

[untold oracle]

He went to the archive without permission

[limpid saddle]

he wouldn't change his name to 'old man' & skeletron was very angry about it

[gritty kraken]

Ghost hunting gone wrong

[split mortar]

This is the old lore reasoning iirc

[untold oracle]

Old man is secretly marisa

[pliant ruin]

he went to the beach..

[dusk laurel]

TRUE

[split mortar]

Whose Marisa

[limpid saddle]

what they said

[dusk laurel]

This means Patchouli is part of the Dragon Cult

[split mortar]

who is Marisa?

[gritty kraken]

man I rember when I thought all sepulcher,the brothers and brimstone monster were all Scal forms for each phase

[dusk laurel]

[untold oracle]

LC is Remilia????

[limpid saddle]

I think a touhou character?

[dusk laurel]

Unbelievable

[split mortar]

Yeah I was thinking the same

[limpid saddle]

Pretty sure

[split mortar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1137031736660856843/1325188709255090186/bounce.gif

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1137031736660856843/1325188709255090186/bounce.gif

[limpid saddle]

Only reason I know about it to any extent is because of ShyGuyMask's dark fall

[split mortar]

Why double send of the funny bug

[dusk laurel]

[pliant ruin]

i love tou ho

u

[untold oracle]

I actually got eosd recently

[split mortar]

The gifs of its plushes are funny

[untold oracle]

I have ascended past 99.99% touhou fans

[split mortar]

Idk if I would be good at the games

[dusk laurel]

I haven't played in a while

[gritty kraken]

Chat would you rather be a part of new polter skin prison or ravager body

[dusk laurel]

It was like Subterranean Animism or Mountain of Faith

I genuinely forgot

[pliant ruin]

i would rather be: neither

^-^

[limpid saddle]

Ravager

sounds less excruciating than 'skin prison'

[split mortar]

Either way I’m dead so Ravager so my soul actually passes on and not joining Polter

[limpid saddle]

& I get to be part of a fading god's lobotomized conscious

& not eternal screaming agony

[hoary cape]

Ravager is a zombie I wouldn't want to be a zombie

[split mortar]

Polter seems like they would be good at being a chef

[untold oracle]

I think I would rather be possessed by polter

I would just severely tweak

[hoary cape]

Polter cooks terrarians

[split mortar]

You want your soul to be stuck in eternal rage and madness from Polter?

[hoary cape]

Nah id win

[untold oracle]

[dusk laurel]

💥

[hoary cape]

I would take control

[eager bluff]

thats the average day

[pliant ruin]

i'd win.

i'm cheese.

hi.

[eager bluff]

thevoicesaregettinglouder

[untold oracle]

Haii

[dusk laurel]

Haihai

[spare pier]

I'm back I went to eat

[hoary cape]

No you aren't cheese you are 🧀

[pliant ruin]

wtf.

[hoary cape]

Hello back I went to eat I am gecko

[eager bluff]

wtf cheese punctuation arc

[pliant ruin]

girl lunch

[eager bluff]

nvm arc over

[split mortar]

Hello, would you rather be part of Polter skin binding or part of Ravager zombie flesh body

[split mortar]

That’s what we asking currently

[limpid saddle]

i think this is quite solid argument

[spare pier]

Yeah but I think that's such a gigantic edge case it's not reallyw worth considering. The Curse has to have some trigger which can be avoided or else like, how is the Mechanic just sitting there?

[split mortar]

Lunatic cultist did the sillies

Idk

[pliant ruin]

Mechanic could've been put there earlier

before the curse

[spare pier]

And said trigger being avoidable in some way that the player also can't avoid isn't possible

[eager bluff]

cultist said fuck you in particular and killed my entire city

[dusk laurel]

Melon gun sent to execution

[split mortar]

HEY FUCK YOU

[pliant ruin]

hmm

[hoary cape]

Explodes you both

[eager bluff]

yharimcore

[spare pier]

The Curse has been there for a few years at minimum

[untold oracle]

…how is she alive

[hoary cape]

The mechanic has clearly been there forever

[split mortar]

Eating souls

[spare pier]

Yeah, The Mechanic being there unironically to me is like

[hoary cape]

Skeletons drop food sometimes in the dungeon

[spare pier]

Something that happens a few days or even hours before you find her

[untold oracle]

The mechanic actually only spawns in the dungeon after beating skeletron so no problem guys!

[gritty kraken]

I like my bloodflare armor lively

[deft vessel]

Hide and seek

[eager bluff]

no
food drops are sold by npcs in cal as happiness rewards

[spare pier]

There's also another thing which would need the curse to be avoidable

But that's for later

[limpid saddle]

"skeletons gotta eat sorry queen" -old man to mechanic

[hoary cape]

Illegal

[spare pier]

But like, ok if you can come up with a way of making the curse avoidable to other people but not the player?

Sure, I can make it that

[hoary cape]

You got kidnapped by someone with a pass

[untold oracle]

We actually are not goated for once

[spare pier]

On the topic of giving answers tho, I'm questioning you more

What answers could the curse give you?

[hoary cape]

The cultists suck

[pliant ruin]

Hey wait what if the curse specifically affects those who have divine essence on em

[untold oracle]

The story of calamity mod

[split mortar]

Curses being strong after setting them off explains scals enrage outside the box

[pliant ruin]

I mean, as u said urself, how mechanic is in there but u arent

[spare pier]

Yeah, it answers that

[eager bluff]

wouldnt that just affect everyone who goes through the evils

[pliant ruin]

ye

[limpid saddle]

I have an idea

[pliant ruin]

which i mean, it affects u, and u go through them, so

[split mortar]

But you can avoid divine essence…

[spare pier]

That's too many people who'd be allowed to enter

And also yeah you could avoid touching the Evil Biomes

[pliant ruin]

fair enough

[split mortar]

Yeah it’s even more avoidable imo

[hoary cape]

Mechanic probably got put there by someone with a pass to enter

[pliant ruin]

this isn't really the best answer but i suppose it's the best we have for now

[reef wigeon]

Eh hello

[split mortar]

Hi

[spare pier]

Or the people who put her there knew about the curse and avoided the trigger

[reef wigeon]

I just joined the server

[hoary berry]

hi

[hoary cape]

I mean I would think the people who knew that would be the ones who are allowed to enter

[pliant ruin]

I'm just not a huge fan of the idea of a player doing smth where they could theoretically avoid the curse but it affects them anyways

but, again

[untold oracle]

You found the best channel, congrats

[pliant ruin]

i can't really think of anything better

[split mortar]

I imagine the cultists could undo the trigger or something like that

One of them did make it iirc

[pliant ruin]

so it is what it is

that's that and this is this

[dusk laurel]

How rolandous

[reef wigeon]

Any news about xeroc?

[spare pier]

Yeah, obviously

[eager bluff]

still a bitchass motherfucker

[split mortar]

They likely made the sun weaker

[spare pier]

See the funny thing is I saw the whole thing of being Polterghast but there's actually two things about it which imo make it not work

[pliant ruin]

xeroc is a bitch ass motherfucker

[spare pier]

It makes so Polterghast just

[eager bluff]

he pissed on my fucking wife

[pliant ruin]

they took their ritual out and they ABSORBED MY DRAGON

[untold oracle]

They took the fucking light dragon’s soul

[reef wigeon]

Ironic, he's my favorite character

[untold oracle]

Yeah they’re amazing

[split mortar]

I think they’re doing the egg man moon pissing meme

[reef wigeon]

If we talk about lore

[eager bluff]

hi gecko what did that reaction mean

[spare pier]

Fucks off after you beat Skeletron and doesn't show up until Moon Lord is defeated which is kinda wack

[hoary cape]

💀

[spare pier]

And, most importantly

[deft vessel]

No he’s a bitchass motherfucker

[spare pier]

There's no way of communicating that ingame unless we removed Dungeon Guardian

[split mortar]

Why doesn’t Polter leave?

Is they stupid?

[untold oracle]

Scared of the sun

[hoary cape]

Polter might be bound to the dungeon like how in a lot of ghost stories the ghosts are bound to their place of death

[untold oracle]

Basement dweller squared

[split mortar]

Ain’t that headcanon

[reef wigeon]

Although well, he was a better man before he ABSORBED THE FUCKING LIGHT DRAGON

[untold oracle]

Yes

[pliant ruin]

Xeroc's kinda chill

he's just a chill guy like that

[dusk laurel]

Yhapaganda

[pliant ruin]

he's not my favorite character

[deft vessel]

Yhapaganda

[pliant ruin]

but he has like

the most Chill Energy of any of them

[split mortar]

Our data is from a biased source and even they mention things that make it less bad

Zeratros likely was to die permanently somehow

[reef wigeon]

Is it canon that he died or is he still alive?

[split mortar]

Nothing can kill xeroc

[pliant ruin]

hes alive

[split mortar]

Cause they’re the strongest guy

[pliant ruin]

global warming:

[faint plank]

balding middle aged man

[split mortar]

Xeroc disabling the sun:

[dusk laurel]

Did that kill your grandma

[hoary cape]

The xeroc being dead is that random site total calamity or whatever which is not canon

That's just some random fan thing lol

[split mortar]

Total calamity wiki?

[pliant ruin]

Global warming:

[pliant ruin]

yes. of course

[hoary cape]

I don't remember what it's called, but maybe

[reef wigeon]

Nah, I read about Total Calamity and even they say nothing is canon

[gritty kraken]

What’s this total calamity thing even about

[pliant ruin]

calamity rpg thing i think

as in a tabletop rpg not a video game

like dungeons n dragons

[hoary cape]

It just an rp site

[gritty kraken]

sound calamitous

[deft vessel]

Calamitous

[split mortar]

Yharim

Yharimous

[gritty kraken]

Yharium bar

[hoary cape]

Explodes you

[split mortar]

[reef wigeon]

I have been analyzing characters for a few months now, and I must say that a character is not invincible even if he is the most powerful (unless he is Omnipotent).

[split mortar]

Xeroc can kill every character but noxus in a everyone vs Xeroc I’m pretty sure

[hoary cape]

The thing is that nothing we know of is strong enough to kill him so to us he is basically invincible

[pliant ruin]

Xeroc is the strongest calamity character but not literally fully invincible

[dusk laurel]

^

[reef wigeon]

Noxus is more powerful and better at everything because it is absolute nothingness

[split mortar]

No?

[hoary cape]

Xeroc would beat noxus in a fight

[split mortar]

It’s more destructive but xeroc wins in a 1v1

[reef wigeon]

Ah, I'm a little out of date.

[hoary cape]

Xeroc would even own fovos in its prime also

[pliant ruin]

idk about that

[split mortar]

Noxus better at ending the world but xeroc better at dropkicking people

[hoary cape]

Fovos is weaker than noxus though so that's not a surprise

[split mortar]

Cei said that iirc

[spring helm]

Hello, lore?

[gritty kraken]

Ummm what the Nox

[pliant ruin]

I think Fovos vs Xeroc would be a mostly even fight although Xeroc would win

[hoary cape]

Cei basically said fovos would only win if everything goes fovos' way

[deft vessel]

Lore.

[pliant ruin]

That's still giving Fovos the possibility of winning

Very much not a entirely one sided fight

Like, yeah, xeroc is stronger, but fovos would still put up a fight imo

[hoary cape]

If they fought 100 times fovos would only win 10 of the fights

[split mortar]

One of the devs said that fovos needs almost everything going in its favour to win iirc

[spring helm]

I’ll take those odds

[pliant ruin]

bad to the bone guitar riff

[split mortar]

Lmao

Fovos is another name for moonlord if you didn’t know Felixmagnion

[reef wigeon]

Noxus is the God of Entropy (as far as I know), the void of the universe and the one who will destroy everything at some point. Xeroc is more versatile and is (at least as far as main power is concerned) the counterpart of Noxus.

[pliant ruin]

Nah noxus is not a god

[spring helm]

Just call them moon lord

[split mortar]

Noxus isn’t a god

[pliant ruin]

and no theres nothing abt

it being void of the universe

[spring helm]

The name Fovos isn’t even in-game

It’s technically non-canon

[pliant ruin]

or something that will destroy everything at some point

[split mortar]

Skill issue

[pliant ruin]

all we rly know about noxus is that

[gritty kraken]

fovosing my moonlord

[pliant ruin]

its from the distortion, its really fucking strong, it eats divine essence through dog, and it controls/leads dogs in some way

[reef wigeon]

Noxus is literally " "

[pliant ruin]

i think

[split mortar]

We know like 2 things of noxus

[pliant ruin]

idk if im missing anthing

[split mortar]

Boss of dog
Creator of ceaseless void

[reef wigeon]

Oh, and it's called Noxus.

[split mortar]

Not mentioned ingame

[gritty kraken]

Is John Noxus Signus roommate

[spring helm]

Yes

[reef wigeon]

-# Ignore this-

[hoary cape]

Felix you should take a look at the lore doc pinned in this channel

[faint plank]

like... from wrath of the gods....

[pliant ruin]

John Noxus is the roomate of THe Devil from The Bible (Signus

[split mortar]

Technically it’s a unnamed force but the writers call it noxus and it fills the role of opposing xeroc like Noxus did in old lore

[reef wigeon]

I already said that I'm out of date with the lore, although I know the main thing.

[faint plank]

i read it with the pauses, sob

[gritty kraken]

like cuphead final boss

[hoary cape]

That's why I said you should take a look at the lore doc

[split mortar]

#lore-discussion message
lore doc

[hoary cape]

Its got lore

[split mortar]

All ingame lore

[reef wigeon]

Yes, thanks for letting me know that exists LOL

[hoary cape]

All other lore isn't canon yet

XD

Its not been added therefore it not real

[spring helm]

Vetrasyl is non-canon

[pliant ruin]

YOU'RE non canon

[spring helm]

It is Stip’s oc

[hoary cape]

That's it I am removing cheese from existence

Say good bye

[pliant ruin]

you can't do that i'm too powerful smh...

[split mortar]

Baking you into a loaf of bread

[hoary cape]

I am going to make a cheese sandwich

[untold oracle]

New popcorn pfp

Brain meltdown

(It will take days to get used)

[hoary cape]

Not in game so true

[split mortar]

Same

[mighty zenith]

got too vetrasilly 😔

[split mortar]

Lmao

[spare pier]

On the topic of Xeroc vs Prime Moon Lord

I still hold that it's in some way similar to Luffy vs Kaido

Sure, Moon Lord gets a lot of hits in. Sure, the fight lasts a good while. Sure, it seems fairly even

[untold oracle]

One piece.,

[real silo]

Me vs you is like luffy vs kaido

[spare pier]

But there is literally no universe where Moon Lord wins without heavy interference from a third party

[real silo]

Except I 💥 you

[spare pier]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/466943505663655937/1083946998614470748/1678391318329531.gif

[spring helm]

||So what you’re saying is that Moon Lord does no real damage until they activate Gear 5||

[real silo]

So literally like

Gojo vs suk

[split mortar]

Moonlord is just too built for fighting 284672 people while xeroc is built for 1 people

[spare pier]

Spoiler this please

[real silo]

Actually no nvm

[untold oracle]

Whar

[spring helm]

My mistake original gangster

[pliant ruin]

one piece spoiler. luffy stops time

[deft vessel]

One piece spoiler

[real silo]

one piece spoiler

oda adds rebecca

[untold oracle]

Guys I think it’s a one piece spoiler

[spring helm]

One Piece spoiler: ||Luffy bounces on Kaido until he turns white||

[split mortar]

One pice spoiler

Luffy has a hat

[real silo]

gasp

[split mortar]

………

[untold oracle]

Hey!!! >:(

(I don’t even watch it)

[deft vessel]

One piece spoiler

Luffy is in it

[spring helm]

Alright that’s enough one piece spoilers

[split mortar]

One piece soouler

Lifty beats Goku

[pliant ruin]

One piece spoiler

im cheese

[split mortar]

:0

[spring helm]

🤯

[deft vessel]

No you are 🧀

[untold oracle]

Hi I’m deltaw

[pliant ruin]

i might have to rebrand from sleepy cheese to soggy cheese soon 😢

[spring helm]

Oh no

[deft vessel]

What

[pliant ruin]

soggy cheese is becoming real

[spring helm]

Cheese, are the neo pronouns in your bio for the voices in your head

[pliant ruin]

nu theyre for me

[split mortar]

Cheese finally doing what garbo wont

Shower

[spring helm]

What are they

[deft vessel]

Cheese will be born again

[pliant ruin]

magi/magiself

talking about the voices in my head

[untold oracle]

Garbo won’t crash out if you tell them to shower in 2025

[split mortar]

@mighty zenith shower

Take one now

[spare pier]

Byeah like that's my take on Moon Lord vs Xeroc

It's a fight that doesn't look one sided

[reef wigeon]

Facts I didn't know about Yharim:

1. He was a god killer
2. He likes bees

[spare pier]

When, in reality, it really is

[split mortar]

You knew he was racist?

[reef wigeon]

No, I didn't know

[untold oracle]

One very important note is that
Do NOT fall for the Yhapaganda he is actively trying to BRAINWASH and DECEIVE you don’t fall for his lies!!!

[deft vessel]

So its not a 🗣️fight you cannot win

[mighty zenith]

🖕

[split mortar]

Accurate info

[untold oracle]

…they crashed out

[reef wigeon]

Now I will continue reading the document

[split mortar]

And yharim when trying to be truthful is a super biased source at best

[reef wigeon]

Hey...who is yhapaganda?

[spare pier]

The Moon Lord is the one having to find openings. He's the one struggling. He's the one who's trying his best to win.

When Xeroc is just

Fighting normally

[split mortar]

Yhapaganda is a term that refers to yharims propaganda, something a concerning amount of people fall to and agree with yharim

[untold oracle]

Yhapaganda is a funny term we made up
Yharim + yapping = Yhapping
Yhapping + propaganda = Yhapaganda

[spring helm]

So if they fought Moon Lord would be going 100% right away and Xeroc is not trying that hard?

[spare pier]

I think the best way to illustrate this is actually

Ichigo vs Ulquiorra

[reef wigeon]

Bottom line: Yharim is a liar

[spring helm]

Yikes that is so one sided

[spare pier]

Where one side is still very much trying to win but still doing the minimun to do it

Whereas the other is fucking busting everything they have to win

[reef wigeon]

(If I didn't write it correctly, it's because I'm a Spanish speaker.)

[spring helm]

Wait which fight, the first or second

[limpid saddle]

Alright since you guys were talking about Yharim being a bad person, I gotta ask

[spare pier]

Of course, Xeroc's minimum to win this fight is still fairly big

[limpid saddle]

Is Yharon evil?

[split mortar]

He does often believe what he says

[split mortar]

Yes

[spare pier]

But it's still his minimum

[split mortar]

They’re as bad as him

[pliant ruin]

yharon is pretty much about as at fault as yharim

tho you could argueh e's

more tragic as a character

[split mortar]

Yharon helped accelerate how bad yharim got

[untold oracle]

Yes he is trying to brainwash you to become his successor and finish the crusade against gods

[pliant ruin]

since he seemingly was a good person before

and dealt with so much agony he became a extremist

not that it realy

justfieis anything

hes still awful

just, a more tragic type of awful

[limpid saddle]

I think Yharon is inherently more justifiable as he had to watch his own species get slaughtered by the dozen

[pliant ruin]

yeah

[split mortar]

Yeah yharon still does genocides and such

[limpid saddle]

Not just a species he thought was cool

[untold oracle]

Yharon is indeed fucked up but he at least has centuries of trauma and fear to make it a little more understandable

[reef wigeon]

At this point the Terrarian is just a genocidal maniac. I think he doesn't even pay attention to Yharim because he kills innocent creatures.

Example: queen bee

[split mortar]

Terrarian lore is up to you

[untold oracle]

What is it with terraria/cal community and terrarian being evil…

[split mortar]

If you want terrarian to be pure evil go ahead

[hoary cape]

Queen Bee attacks you first

[spring helm]

Optional boss

[split mortar]

If you want them to be literally Jesus go ahead

[hoary cape]

Most bosses in fact attack you first

[split mortar]

And is easy to piss off accidentally

[pliant ruin]

queen bee attacks bc u kill her baby tbf

[limpid saddle]

I think a 100% Terrarian inherently lands on morally gray

[split mortar]

With how fragile that fucking larva is

[untold oracle]

Terrarian’s lore is fully up to you, but realistically you can not in any way be comparable to Yharim

[split mortar]

You can say otherwise

[reef wigeon]

Yes, but to get lore it is mandatory to defeat it, like other bosses that were optional and are now mandatory.

[split mortar]

Like

[limpid saddle]

wall of flesh

[pliant ruin]

only like 9 bosses r mandatory

[hoary cape]

I have accidently summoned QB because my summon activated it once

[limpid saddle]

murdering guide

[split mortar]

Also possibly accidental

And is a optional boss

Yes calamity makes wof optional

[spring helm]

Aren’t they changing that

[limpid saddle]

I said 100% for a reason mr gun

[hoary cape]

Make every boss optional

[pliant ruin]

i mean...

technically

they all are

because you can technically just never fight any of them

[limpid saddle]

& what is it with the 'accidental' excuse?

[pliant ruin]

you can just build a farm

a humble farm

and never fight any boss

[reef wigeon]

When I get a PC I will play Terraria Calamity But only defeating optional bosses

[split mortar]

You can literally have Jesus from the bible as your terrarian

[limpid saddle]

thats like saying 'oh he just accidentally ran over that dog with his honda'

[hoary cape]

Optional to beating the game, but you don't have to fight them to win the game

Outside of the last boss

[pliant ruin]

i mean

wof being accidental seems fair neough

u cant really control if the voodo doll falls in the lava after a demon dies

[spring helm]

I MUST kill the devouring eel

[untold oracle]

Do note that a lot of boss fights canonically are self-defence (for example Yharon, EoC probably and a lot others)

[reef wigeon]

If the game literally ends when you defeat the last boss, then so be it.

[split mortar]

Bee larva break from like any projectile and even traps

Voodoo demon can die over lava accidentally and spawn Wof

A stray few attacks trying to deal with enemies can piss off aquatic scourge

[pliant ruin]

the last one imo is

kinda not applicable

[limpid saddle]

Yeah

[pliant ruin]

it only works like that bc its a videogame

[limpid saddle]

Aquatic Scourge follows you around like a curious dog until you bash its brain in with a hammer

Then it goes on the warpath

[split mortar]

Deus is spared

[reef wigeon]

And as a fact, the Boss rush is literally the Terrarian bothering Xeroc because curiosity killed him (if it is Xeroc who speaks in this)

[limpid saddle]

& bee larva is definetly less applicable as an in-universe explanation

[split mortar]

Like everything else is wild animal that attacks you or malicious force that attacks you or hunts you down

[split mortar]

It is

[eager bluff]

me when i poke the worm with a copper shortsword and the worm decides genocide is the correct path of recourse

[split mortar]

Though boss rush is xeroc testing you

[untold oracle]

Boss rush is Xeroc (yes) testing your might
The bosses you fight are exact replicas of the bosses created from Primordial Light

[limpid saddle]

Like if you saw a gestating weird little bee thing your natural response would not be to hit with a sword

[untold oracle]

Of course it is

Nuke it

[reef wigeon]

Considering that the primordial light is literally the light that God used to create the world, then Xeroc is symbolically Judas.

[eager bluff]

consider the fact that its an abomination and i have 70 bombs ive looted from random pots in caves

[untold oracle]

Uh, where is that stated

[eager bluff]

??

[limpid saddle]

I don't think there is a definitive 'God' in Calamity

[spring helm]

What

[split mortar]

Xeroc isn’t god of creation

[pliant ruin]

looking at a little harmless bug thing and killing it because it's a Abomination is

kinda evil ill be honest

[limpid saddle]

yeah that's yharim-level logic

[split mortar]

Xeroc is god of primordial light (sunlight)

[limpid saddle]

except even he wouldnt because he's a bee freak

[split mortar]

Xeroc is younger then old duke and yharon and jared

[spring helm]

I’m am once more asking where the god of regular light is

[eager bluff]

hey im not saying im not evil but i would throw a bomb at it

[split mortar]

Torch god headcanons:

[limpid saddle]

I don't think regular light exists

[split mortar]

It does

Primordial light is only from sun

[limpid saddle]

hrm

[reef wigeon]

What I mean is that if the primordial light (the biblical one) is what God used to create the world, then Xeroc is symbolically Judas in the calamity for betraying Zeratros.

[limpid saddle]

fair

[pliant ruin]

But it isn't

primordial light wasn't uised to create the world

[split mortar]

Ohhhh

We dunno if it was betrayal though

But if it was then fair

[untold oracle]

Ah I see

[pliant ruin]

also yeah it might've not been betrayal

[spring helm]

That’s not what Felix is saying cheese

[split mortar]

Our only source is yharim who wasn’t even there

[untold oracle]

I headcanon tho it was an agreement and not betrayal (although a bitter one)

[split mortar]

His source is yharon who wasn’t even there

[mighty zenith]

source: it hatched out of an egg to me

[pliant ruin]

source: it came to me

from a egg

[mighty zenith]

snale

[eager bluff]

who also has a very tangible reason for wanting everyone to hate gods

[untold oracle]

Source: It was revealed to me in a dream

[split mortar]

Yeah our biggest bit of knowledge in xeroc is like the most biased knowledge ever apart from rock and terminus tooltips

[spring helm]

Xeroc even caused arguments on whether his “betrayal” was encouraged by Zeratros or not

Just like the bible for real

[split mortar]

Lmao

[untold oracle]

We got bible headcanons, fanfics and even powerscaling

[reef wigeon]

In short: Jesus is a jojo reference

[untold oracle]

‼️ this

[reef wigeon]

Nothing to do with it, but someone had to tell it.

[split mortar]

Yharim spawn kills Jesus but loses thanks to Jesus respawning was a consensus made here a while ago iirc

[split mortar]

True

[untold oracle]

Dante’s inferno is a bible fanfic AND self-insert

[pliant ruin]

Who's inferno ?

[untold oracle]

Limp bus

[split mortar]

Jacob Bryson

[pliant ruin]

Danteh....

[reef wigeon]

I see that an argument started just because I said "Any news about xeroc?"

[deft vessel]

Jacob is a hive mind at this point

[untold oracle]

Wonderful job for a first day in server

[split mortar]

lol

[limpid saddle]

Can I never escape project moon brainrot?

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-screaming-machin3girl-gif-22623519

curse my lack of image perms

[spring helm]

Not just yours

The whole channel is like that

https://tenor.com/view/omg-hai-gif-3851482155396962172

[untold oracle]

Don’t worry, it’s to avoid offtopic

[split mortar]

Which it doesn’t do…

[pliant ruin]

more so to avoid spam than anytthing

because like lets be so real who cares about offtopic

as long as it isnt excessive its not rly a prolbem imo

if people want to discuss lore, then yea, discuss lore

if nothings going on tho, sure

[dusk laurel]

Unlucky

Red mist

[untold oracle]

I think offtopic was the official justification

[manic coral]

me when somebody in this chat mentions dragon ball

[mighty zenith]

she's just like me

she's just like me fr!!!

[split mortar]

#lore-discussion message
yeah off topic was the reason

[untold oracle]

Bullshit!

[limpid saddle]

a little bit based

[untold oracle]

Anyways

Uhh

[limpid saddle]

what's your favourite super arc

or z arc if you hate super

[mighty zenith]

ToP is like the only anime super arc i enjoyed

[untold oracle]

When do yall think DS and AS as a species separated

[limpid saddle]

manga goes hard

[mighty zenith]

well
a big part of the goku black arc is cool

[manic coral]

Granolah with Moro as a close second

[mighty zenith]

but the ending genuinely ruins it

[limpid saddle]

Unabbreviate?

[mighty zenith]

i gotta read the manga soon

[manic coral]

Both are a notable step up from anything before them imo

[split mortar]

Desert scoog and aqua scoog

[manic coral]

aside from some stuff in ToP

[limpid saddle]

i would post the 'absolute cinema' gif but i dont have image perms

so just imagine sukuna in your minds eye

[untold oracle]

Desert scourge and aquatic scourge

[split mortar]

No one does apart from devs and mods

[manic coral]

incorrect

[split mortar]

Oh and cool dudes?

[untold oracle]

Cool dudes too?

[manic coral]

not

i meant not devs

[split mortar]

Oh

[untold oracle]

Oh

[split mortar]

Thought devs could

[cloud ibex]

hm.

that probably should be fixed

[untold oracle]

We should get the devs to our manifesto frfr

[split mortar]

Yes

[limpid saddle]

dev rights now

[manic coral]

at least

hold on lemme check

[limpid saddle]

let them post

[manic coral]

https://tenor.com/view/meow-meow-meow-aghh-gif-25029089

nevermind

i do

[untold oracle]

Poor kibtbty.,

[manic coral]

i just assumed i didnt

becuase i used to not

[limpid saddle]

damn that worked faster than i thought it would

[cosmic zenith]

Afaik, we don't have embed perms on cmt

[split mortar]

How much of calamity would change if permafrost was 1 inch taller

[cosmic zenith]

Or something like that

We do here

[manic coral]

might be what im thinking of

[split mortar]

Pretty sure devs didn’t have perms when the thing had just came about

But that was fixed like a day later I think

[limpid saddle]

Anyone else think it's a little weird that Calamitas & Permafrost don't have happiness dialouge for living next to each other

[manic coral]

speaking of gifs Bountiful Harvest is still one of my favorite update names solely due to its origin

[untold oracle]

Fovos invasion never happened, Yharim became a fast food restaurant owner

[limpid saddle]

or acknowledge each others existence at all

[manic coral]

some funny dumbass gif somebody posted on dev

[split mortar]

Noxus became a retinazer clone

[limpid saddle]

fr?

[split mortar]

Excuse me whar

Such good name and it’s from a meme shitpost thing???

[manic coral]

https://tenor.com/view/harvest-yeahilif-gif-21827635

[pliant ruin]

YES

THAT GIF

I KNOW

I KNEW WHAT YOU WERE TALKINGA BOUT

THE MOMENT YOU MENTONED IT

[split mortar]

AUYHYYE

EUSN

[deft vessel]

Figures

[split mortar]

YAY

[limpid saddle]

haha, funny dog

[untold oracle]

Oudated, will be changed in the next update I think

[spring helm]

Considering Desert Scourge lives inside the continent and Aquatic Scourge lives in the Sulphurous Sea, far enough back for the topography to significantly change

[split mortar]

They will eventually
Lot of stuff is outdated sadly

[spring helm]

So I’d say a few million years

[pliant ruin]

tthe ancestral scourge...

[split mortar]

Ah, new worm boss guys

[spring helm]

The opposite of future bosses

[manic coral]

which i hoped to have corrected publically in the mod

[spring helm]

Ancient bosses

[manic coral]

uh

half a year ago

[limpid saddle]

I thought Desert Scourge was just a dry worm & aquatic scourge was highly irradiated worm

[split mortar]

And it’s going to be at 3% of its full power

[hoary cape]

They are not worms

They are reptiles now

[split mortar]

They’re not part of the same species nor genus

Only family iirc

[limpid saddle]

Because wasn't idris or whatevers destruction only like 20 years ago time wise?

[spring helm]

Classic Calamity moment

[limpid saddle]

thats not enough time for a species to diverge & evolve

[split mortar]

Yeah illmeris was like 15 years ago

[pliant ruin]

the gneus thing isnt confirmed

just a headcanon

[split mortar]

Ah

[pliant ruin]

they didn't diverge

[split mortar]

Aight

[hoary cape]

They were already different

[pliant ruin]

they weren't the same species to begin with

[split mortar]

They were never the same species

[pliant ruin]

AS didn't come from the sunken sea

[spring helm]

They are in the same kingdom

[manic coral]

they're not the same species yeah

just related ones

[hoary cape]

Reptiles go brrr

[limpid saddle]

I feel like every introduced calamity species is related to another one

[split mortar]

That is the case irl…

[limpid saddle]

Next you're gonna tell me Crabulon is the Eidolon Worm's second cousin

[split mortar]

Nah eidolon wyrms are dragon offshoots

[limpid saddle]

yeah i know...

it was a jest...

[manic coral]

you're gonna lose your marbles once you find out about real life

[spring helm]

melon cannot detect sarcasm

[hoary cape]

Crabulon is your second cousin obviously

[split mortar]

Autism

[spring helm]

[pliant ruin]

idk i think the relatives thing is pretty cool, it maikes them feel more grounded and real as living animals

like how crabulon has hermititans for sunken sea

[limpid saddle]

I know but I mean like really closely connected

[split mortar]

And over text it’s even harder

[pliant ruin]

well not really

we don't have

any specifics

on how closely related they are

i personally headcanon AS and DS to be entirely separate genera

[split mortar]

Being same family or kingdom is not closely far as I know

[pliant ruin]

well

kingdom is

animalia

so definitely not just kingdom

[split mortar]

Yeah

[pliant ruin]

personally i think

[spring helm]

SURPRISE FOOL, THEY’RE NOT EVEN IN THE SAME PHYLUM IT’S JUST CONVERGENT EVOLUTION

[pliant ruin]

aquatic scoogs, sunken scoogs and desert scoogs r all in the same greater clade

sunken scoogs and desert scoogs r closely related in their own tribe

[limpid saddle]

the funniest possible solution

[pliant ruin]

aquatic scoog is more distant, and in a separate branch

[hoary cape]

There are at least 3 different scourge species

[pliant ruin]

i also think all of the scourges r separate genera because they're not similar enough to be part of the same genus imo

keep in mind, bison n cows r different genera

so r crocodiles and alligators

so like, yeah

i think they r separate genera

[hoary cape]

We have ocean scourge, big desert one and the sunken scourges

[spring helm]

Idk if morphology is a good tell on how closely related two species are

[limpid saddle]

I feel a little bad that you have this closely considered the genetics of fictional reptiles

[manic coral]

fun trivia, by the way

[hoary cape]

I would guess that sunken scourges are more related to DS than aquatic scourge is right?

[pliant ruin]

i feel a little bad that you think it's bad to have hobbies

sorry i jut hate when people do that

[manic coral]

all three of which havea defining charistic of being able to taste with their skin

[spring helm]

Like flies with their feet

[hoary cape]

Sky scourge when

[pliant ruin]

dont think it

dont say it

dont think it dont say it dont think it dont say it dont th

OBSI

[cosmic zenith]

Like some sort of Scourge of the Universe?

[pliant ruin]

no. not today

not doing it

[pliant ruin]

SOBBING

[split mortar]

??????

[cosmic zenith]

Or perhaps a Weaver of Storms

[pliant ruin]

it's like he's in some sort of... universal collapse

[spring helm]

[limpid saddle]

fair

[pliant ruin]

~~ i mean i am studying to be a marine biologist ~~

[spare pier]

Funniest fucking fact ever

[spring helm]

Aren’t there many benefits

[hoary cape]

That's not a sky scourge that's a space scourge

[pliant ruin]

there ARE many benefits.

[limpid saddle]

jojo reference

[manic coral]

i will say one thing i do enjoy is jsut taking some detail that wasnt even considered and running with it

like

internally the spike projectiles are called teeth?

i'm not gonna correct that to spikes

imma roll with it and be like

"yeah they can taste with their skin too"

[untold oracle]

You breathe

Fucking jojo reference

[hoary cape]

Skinning you

[split mortar]

Based based bsawd

[untold oracle]

:(

[untold oracle]

Bsawd!!

[limpid saddle]

Thats also a jojo reference

[split mortar]

Ok hornet

[manic coral]

just take the weird stuff and embrace it

[split mortar]

Yes

[deft vessel]

Since when is skin eating the topic

[spring helm]

Gel are also slimes

Torches are literal torture

[untold oracle]

Now

[hoary cape]

Cei mentioned they taste through their skin when I mentioned the three known scourge species

[manic coral]

yeah this is a little detail i wrote in that i've seen few people actually bring up

given

they dont have pain receptors or anything

[light linden]

hi cei

[manic coral]

or much in the way of an actual concious

but

[light linden]

can I ask a question please?

[split mortar]

Enough to detect royal gell accessory and not attack you

[hoary berry]

royal hell

[pliant ruin]

Yeah gel is

literally also slimes

[limpid saddle]

imagine tasting sand all the time forever

[pliant ruin]

living slimes

[limpid saddle]

must be rough

[hoary berry]

typo turned into a reasonable british statement

[split mortar]

Lmao

[manic coral]

i actually even thought of writing in a part of how they slowly regenerate over time despite burning which is why torches, at least in-universe, last a long time

even if not INFINITELY like in-game

but i decided i couldnt entirely logic that out in my head

[spring helm]

#justiceforslimes

[manic coral]

like

regenerate from what

something somethign reconstruct what

[spring helm]

Magic

[split mortar]

Uses the air

[limpid saddle]

Yeah

[manic coral]

normally a valid explaination due to how mana works

however

[spring helm]

Where does all the energy in the exo prisms come from

[limpid saddle]

Fire sucks in oxygen

[manic coral]

slimes have to real connections to that

so

[limpid saddle]

Something something

[split mortar]

That’s thanks to auric dragon particle shit

[limpid saddle]

slime uses oxygen

fire burn

[manic coral]

exotic particles

[split mortar]

Slime uses the carbon dioxide

[spring helm]

Ok but like why can you just keep taking and it doesn’t run out

[split mortar]

I think xbxbxb had made up a theory on how

[hoary cape]

Slims regenerate when they consume things

The gel is consuming air

Therefore regeneration

Essy

[cloud ibex]

i thought you said sims for a second

[hoary cape]

I said slims

Because I forgot a letter

[cloud ibex]

i know what you actually said

[manic coral]

slime has regenerative properties (hell you even use gel to make potions) but just air aint enough

[split mortar]

Wait what’s with fire and lava slimes

[hoary cape]

They consume fuel

[manic coral]

(in fact that's where the "slimes can sort aregenerate" thing came form, the fatc that you use gel to make potions)

[hoary cape]

How did aliens come from lava

[manic coral]

actually that was part of it

the whole torch thing

also explaining lava slimes

[hoary cape]

Torch God keeps torches going obviously

[manic coral]

it's literally the same logic

[split mortar]

Toch god is actually just slime gods sillies

[manic coral]

(same thing with glowing mushrooms)

(now the stuff in greater healing options is less obvious but something something maybe in SSO)

[hoary cape]

Which dragon did torch God get their auric soul from

XD

[split mortar]

They might not even be a god

Their entry was changed

[spring helm]

Mushrooms already do weird shit irl so I never questioned why they’re an ingredient for healing potions

[split mortar]

Mushrooms are certainly something

[spring helm]

I thought only a little bit got changed

[manic coral]

i mean they have enough regenative properties to reanimate the god damn dead

[split mortar]

Yeah, “unknown god” to “unknown being” or something

[hoary cape]

What dead are the reanimating

[split mortar]

The dead reanimate themselves tbf

[manic coral]

only usually under certain circumstances

[split mortar]

We are in the heartlands

Everywhere has dead people

[hoary cape]

I am pretty sure the zombies with slimes on their head are just zombies that tried to get eaten by a slime and failed

[manic coral]

what part of the heartlands DOESN'T have dead people

[hoary cape]

I don't know this reference

[spring helm]

Literal ground zero of the Crusade

[hoary cape]

Which crusade

[split mortar]

Yharims

[untold oracle]

Fourth

[hoary cape]

Oh yharim

Yharim more like bad

[pliant ruin]

yharim more like bald

[split mortar]

Xeroc more like bald

[pliant ruin]

true..

[untold oracle]

The lava actually made his hair explode and it was such an ego loss he describes it as hideously burned

[limpid saddle]

what do you guys think of wotg's interpretation of xeroc

[stoic gulch]

What is happening here

[stoic gulch]

Cool but not lore accurate

[split mortar]

It’s barely old lore’s interpretation

[limpid saddle]

bald

[stoic gulch]

It’s more like old lore

[stoic gulch]

^

[split mortar]

It’s like old lore except it won’t be old lore eventually

[pliant ruin]

i hope it wasn't bald

[split mortar]

Like they’re removing the old lore ties

[limpid saddle]

we simply dont know

[split mortar]

Noxus is being replaced

Was the secret changed to Lucille ?

[limpid saddle]

tragic

[split mortar]

Since they did name change

[split mortar]

It’s being replaced with avatar of emptiness

[manic coral]

i sighed irl

[limpid saddle]

Wow that

[split mortar]

A boss someone with insider stuff has described as visually crazier then nameless

[split mortar]

So many people think it’s canon…

[limpid saddle]

feels like the meanest possible response

[split mortar]

So many people think nameless is literally canon official xeroc

[random mulch]

wotg has been a disaster to how people see xeroc & noxus

[pliant ruin]

ye

[limpid saddle]

Wait what does it do wrong with Noxus?

[split mortar]

Aight

[split mortar]

It’s also old lore noxus

[pliant ruin]

wotg noxus just isnt noxus

[split mortar]

So it’s. It accurate

[pliant ruin]

its a fan interpretation of it

[limpid saddle]

Besides the whole 'he doesnt exist anymore'

[untold oracle]

Literally the same thing as with xeroc

Barely matches the old lore

[pliant ruin]

there's nothing wrong with either

the prolbem really is just the fact people can't read

😭

[split mortar]

It’s just that people think that a fan mod is canon and official

[manic coral]

which

[limpid saddle]

Well

[manic coral]

as you cna imagine

[pliant ruin]

like, they were fan interpretations of characters, that's fine

[limpid saddle]

At least it still has the really well designed bossfights

[pliant ruin]

but unfortunately reading comprehension devil

[split mortar]

Hell I even had someone tell me all addons were lore accurate to calamity on YouTube…

[mighty zenith]

no you see, calamity is a mod, wotg is a mod

[pliant ruin]

it's a amazing mod, i love it

[mighty zenith]

therefore its the same canon !

[pliant ruin]

the problem isn't within lucille or the mod itself or any of the developers

its just the community being dumb

[split mortar]

Goozma such canonicity

[manic coral]

displeases me greatly as an actual writier for cal that people are taking this thing, relating it to a character i write, and then it got way more popualr than the actual character i'm writing.

i don't dislike WotG

but its reprecussions have greatly taken a toll on me

[spare pier]

It sucks that WotG basically eclipses our writing

It's not Lucille's fault but like

Man.

[split mortar]

It has bosses and cal players don’t read :(

[cloud ibex]

tbf i think that was kinda inevitable considering ND exists

[pliant ruin]

to be fair, you guys probably will get way more popular when those guys are actually added

but, yeah itll tkae

[cloud ibex]

while xeroc doesn't really yet

[pliant ruin]

several years

[manic coral]

yeah but like

[deft vessel]

What?! Are you saying WotG is not canon?!

[manic coral]

the fact that it's more well-known as "xeroc" than

the actual character

[pliant ruin]

oh no i understand that part

[manic coral]

that's what makes me a downer about it

[cloud ibex]

and ND is, however much he has been separated from xeroc at this point, rooted in being xeroc before

but yeah it is unfortunate

[limpid saddle]

I think it's simply a failure that so little actually Xeroc lore has been succesfully integrated

[mighty zenith]

yeahhh thats the issue with xeroc not being a boss yet (and being a relatively less known thing in the community)

[spare pier]

The problem isn't that ND is more popular than our story, it's that ND is more popular as Xeroc

[limpid saddle]

As far as im aware Noxus or Void Avatar or whatever isnt even ever directly mentioned

[mighty zenith]

i mean, there's still a ton of people who don't know who yharim is

[manic coral]

how is it a fialure if it literally can't be yet becausethey're

not in the game yet

[manic coral]

yeah

[pliant ruin]

unfinished mod is unfinished

[manic coral]

like

i understand why it is

i understand how it came to be this way

[eager bluff]

clickbait is a bitch

[pliant ruin]

not much you can rly do abt it at the end of the day but yeah it sucks

[manic coral]

it's just like

man

[deft vessel]

People just clinged to it

[split mortar]

Yeah noxus is the most mysterious being in cal currently

[hoary cape]

Just tell the community you are deleting xeroc and then surprise us by adding it later /j

[deft vessel]

You know how Cal fans are

[cloud ibex]

noxus is gonna bust out the voull ne xata vok mara lohk any day now

[untold oracle]

The what

[limpid saddle]

Well uh

[cloud ibex]

:D

[limpid saddle]

While I have you

[eager bluff]

i cant tell if this is a reference or an ungodly typo

[deft vessel]

My sofa started levitating

[limpid saddle]

Thoughts on Twisted Garden?

[split mortar]

The song?

[limpid saddle]

yesss

[manic coral]

and like, again, i think WotG is cool and pretty fuckin great. hell, i'm even friends with Lucille.

[split mortar]

It’s there

[stoic gulch]

Pretty good

[deft vessel]

No. The gardens that twist

[pliant ruin]

twisted garden is a banger

[untold oracle]

I personally don’t like it that much ngl

[manic coral]

i just feel a need to clarify because people see how i talk about this stuff and assume i hate WotG

[limpid saddle]

thats fair

[manic coral]

[eager bluff]

the mv gave me a raging headache

[stoic gulch]

Like my favorite addon song

[limpid saddle]

I think that was the authorial intent

[pliant ruin]

its my favorite cal related boss theme in general

[devout grotto]

Is it ok if I only think of Nameless as a faceclaim for Xeroc

[stoic gulch]

Lower the volum

[eager bluff]

the mv not the song itself

[limpid saddle]

I mean he literally doesnt have a face so

probably

[untold oracle]

Is ND bald

Uh

[devout grotto]

😭

[stoic gulch]

It may be mine as well idk tho

[cloud ibex]

he does have a face

[untold oracle]

I think it’s fine

[devout grotto]

No I mean post-ascension Xeroc 😭

[stoic gulch]

The hell is that

[eager bluff]

music video

[stoic gulch]

Ah

Understandable

Oh yeah remind me to put twisted garden in my playlist in 15 minutes

[cloud ibex]

i was gonna draw my own take on post ascension xeroc at one point i just didn't

[mighty zenith]

havent listened to twisted garden yet

havent even gotten to nameless yet 😭

[limpid saddle]

It's a great song but lyrics are very weirdly structured

[pliant ruin]

funny breakclore with lyrics

breakclore.

[stoic gulch]

Ye

[pliant ruin]

i meant breakcore.

[untold oracle]

I don’t really like how it occasionally sounds like a broken microwave as well as the bitcrunch vocals but I like parts of it

[devout grotto]

Huh 😭

[stoic gulch]

Breakclore is the best

[mighty zenith]

so far my favorite non-official cal song is probably ignite my flame or dei machinae

[split mortar]

Breaclore