lore-discussion

[languid badge]

....what

[cloud ibex]

i'm using my evil mod powers to influence the dev team

[magic epoch]

mage would become less of a class and more into just a subspecies of weapons that you use for burst damage as other classes when their cds are off

[languid badge]

why did nobody tell me mods get evil powers of dev influence I would've applied if I had known (I would not have)

[cloud ibex]

should've read the fine print

sorry !

[magic epoch]

well

[rotund shore]

I love being evil

[magic epoch]

calamity players aren't exactly known for their ability to read

[indigo glade]

I love being morally grey...

[split mortar]

Cheese already had evil connections before becoming a mod so eh idk

[indigo glade]

I am an edgy, anti-hero OC...

[split mortar]

No

Stupid bug

[magic epoch]

rude as fuck

Die, monster!

[split mortar]

It’s the nickname for the enemy in their pfp

The actual name is glutton bug

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1137031736660856843/1325188709255090186/bounce.gif

[cloud ibex]

anyway i've derailed the channel for long enough

[indigo glade]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEZ31A9JmdI

[cloud ibex]

lore Discussion

[split mortar]

Why does lore

[magic epoch]

lore galore!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[cloud ibex]

that's what you're here to find out

now discuss

[rotund shore]

Who is lore and why is he being discussed

[split mortar]

You are here
Tell

[rotund shore]

I guess lore is just yharim, he’s John lore

[magic epoch]

#calamity-mod-talk message

let's discuss the lore of this image

[split mortar]

Nah it’s obviously whoever is in the main menu screens background not him

[rotund shore]

[split mortar]

Yharim is 130 ish

[rotund shore]

Yharim is old grampa

[split mortar]

Yes

[rustic void]

Yharim could be my great great great great godslaying grandfather

[soft geyser]

Dog should be British

Yharim should be British

Calamitas should be Russian

[split mortar]

No, British

[soft geyser]

Fair

[formal drum]

somehow DoG seems like the best fit to be russian idk why

[hoary cape]

British mod where it makes every calamity character British

[latent hamlet]

And they add Britain as an ancient nation that prospered in hell

[split mortar]

Azafure:

[pliant ruin]

horror

[spring helm]

Maybe I should do a historical record of Azafure’s industrialization

@spare pier was Draedon secluded from the world until he approached Yharim?

[spare pier]

My brother in Christ he literally answered that in Draetalk

[spring helm]

[split mortar]

Suffer

[spring helm]

i just wanted confirmation because i might have interpreted it wrong

[indigo glade]

It is so sad to hear that "Calamity Fans Being Unable To Read" is a continuing and growing symptom across all ages.

[real silo]

Across all agrs (6 and 18)

[spring helm]

i am not in that age range

[real silo]

you are both at once

Superposition

[indigo glade]

Damn, didn't know you are 2 years old.

[split mortar]

They’re like 25

Or was it 2.5

[real silo]

You're telling me 1233popcorn wasn't born in 1233

[split mortar]

No that’s how many seconds old they are

Their birth is constantly being changed to fit 1233 seconds ago

[wheat walrus]

Anomaly within the folds of space and time 💔

What if the universe was created 1233 seconds ago

[split mortar]

Popcorn is not as old as the universe

[light linden]

We know if Liches are a thing in Calamity?

[night socket]

For no reason in particular, what was providence like pre-ascension?

[gritty kraken]

woman

[spring helm]

likely no due to the nature of necromancy in calamity

[spring helm]

what we know:

1. was part of a party to slay the dragon of flame, those party members would become the profaned guardians
2. they slew the dragon of flame in righteous anger

[light linden]

From what little we know she strikes me as somewhat similar to old Yharim

Very very angry and willing to crush anything in her path

[night socket]

I guess she really had a burning hatrid 😔

[magic epoch]

i hate comedy

[light linden]

Name does not check out

[night socket]

Your name strongly begs to disagree.

[spring helm]

my headcanon is that Providence was a champion of justice as a human, but slowly became more and more disillusioned during her time as a god until she decided that the death of all living things is the only solution

[magic epoch]

you don't know what i am

[spring helm]

but it's likely wrong

[night socket]

Yeah same hc here, good intentions, but eventuntuly either: Power corrupted, or just came to realize that people suck

[pliant ruin]

Honestly idk

It seems

very in line with what her narrative is actually going to b like

i doubt she was alwys GRRR GENOCIDE GRRR

[sinful adder]

The pristine fury tooltip seems to indicate that it may have in fact always been that

[light linden]

Random thing

Do we know how people became godseeker knights?

[pliant ruin]

joined yharims army and became really strong so they got promoted or smth like that i imagine

[light linden]

Were they promoted from Yharim's army or did they join at that rank?

[pliant ruin]

those who were the strongest and most devout

[wheat walrus]

Well that just means we're older than the universe silly

[pliant ruin]

I wouldn't say that honestly and i'll be fr making her just always evil would really miss the bar

She's a massive nihilist, you don't just, make a character Just Evil and also a Extreme Nihilist

Something must have happened for her to reach that point

[spring helm]

considering Yharim had Draedon make weapons for the godseeker knights personally (still mass produced but made to suit their preferences), they were likely people that Yharim had great trust in. Therefore I believe they needed to have a lot of time in the army before they could become one. Might have required to personally know Yharim themselves, though any sufficiently powerful soldier would have attracted his attention regardless

[pliant ruin]

yeah that makes sense

[sinful adder]

I am saying that I think it happened before she became a god

[pliant ruin]

that's fair but u were making a statement of disagreement

[spring helm]

what's the tooltip?

[pliant ruin]

i never said that is pecifically thought she was a benevolent god ever

her ascencion mightve been the turning point

dunno tho

[sinful adder]

It was something like "the entire world shall know my fury burning brighter than zeratros' sun"

[night socket]

That is such a raw fucking quote oh my good gods

[wheat walrus]

"1:14 that piano 🔥" ahh tooltip

[spare pier]

And thus I swore to those I lost that I would do what is right, that my blaze's light would dwarf even that of Zeratros' Sun;
That one day, this cruel world would know nothing less than My perfect fury.

[spring helm]

that's awesome

[magic epoch]

capitalization of my goes kinda hard

[spring helm]

the power already went to her head

[pliant ruin]

actually yeah that like

basically confirms it

[spare pier]

Thank you, both of you

I wrote it

[pliant ruin]

And thus i swore to those taht i lost

hmm yes indeed

also ya it goes pretty hard

[real silo]

taht

[spare pier]

Well ok Cei wrote basically the whole thing

And then we were like

[wheat walrus]

1:14 that sun ☀️

[magic epoch]

just in general...... writing can go so fucking hard... this def does

[spare pier]

"Wait what if every Legendary Item was a character speaking?"

And then I turned it into that

I added the capitalized "My"

[wheat walrus]

This character boutta be cool

[pliant ruin]

That! is a pig

[pliant ruin]

I meant to reply to this

[real silo]

a pig

🐽

[magic epoch]

and also like, afaik the, capitalization of pronouns like that are typically reserved for literal God. (usually like He or His)
i think it just adds another layer i totally fw

[spare pier]

Yeah, that's the intention

[spring helm]

very important

like actually

[real silo]

Ok but will the other gods have capitalized pronouns

[spring helm]

maybe the more humble ones won't

[real silo]

I want one god that just speaks in capitals

[pliant ruin]

I feel like its better if its just prov

[real silo]

except when referring to themselves

[pliant ruin]

makes it feel more special + i feel like

basically all other gods

are more humble than prov

either that or they're ravage

[spring helm]

Providence really be Zamasu maxxing

[pliant ruin]

which isn't more humble but also not more pretentious it's just a wild fucking gorilla

[spare pier]

I JUST REALIZED PROVIDENCE IS JUST ME WRITING ZAMASU BUT BETTER

[spring helm]

we all must be inspired by something

even if we don't know it

[wheat walrus]

What if Zamasu

[spring helm]

took me a while to realize that like half my oc's are just variations of Luffy with how focused they are on freedom and the ability to make one's own choices

[wheat walrus]

free

[frigid sage]

The enemy ascended beyond your control

[wheat walrus]

cause i am feee

[frigid sage]

I’m dying gravely

[wheat walrus]

And I'm feinin for more

Fein fein fein

[faint plank]

the what

[wheat walrus]

The enemy

[faint plank]

what a missery

[night socket]

"I am the blaze of absolution, the absolute truth, and the cleasning blaze that shall purge sin from this world."

Me about to humble her with my Mythical KEVIN with all menacing modifiers for a damage test:

[spring helm]

"You may be more powerful, BUT YOU'RE STILL NOT A GOD!" Providence to the Terrarian 2 minutes before she gets turned into ore

anyway yeah so that tooltip basically confirms that Providence snapped when the Dragon of Flame did their thing, right?

i really can't trust my reading comprehension nowadays

[spare pier]

What thing?

[eager bluff]

murder

i assume

[spare pier]

Fair enough

[spring helm]

the murder

specifically of Providence's family/town/friends/all of the above

[pliant ruin]

dragon of flame killed her grandma

also my grandma

because who hasn't at this point

[spring helm]

how many grandmas do you have Mod. Cheese?

[pliant ruin]

Not any clearly because they're all dead

[light linden]

Hey can I ask a question?

[spare pier]

Sure

[real silo]

Does a dragon of earth exist

Dragon of land the ultimate landlord

[eager bluff]

the dragon the tax collector absorbed to become the god of taxes

[pliant ruin]

i like to think there was a dragon of earth/land

that was absorbed by a dwarf

that became the dwarf god of forging

and kinda would look like an DND azer

smth like this

[hoary cape]

DND mentioned

[eager bluff]

dnd azzer

azzer thoth

[spring helm]

🤯 🤯 🤯 🤯 🤯 🤯

i'm assuming the air domain fell under Vetrasyl as part of Storm

[pliant ruin]

yeah i can see that

[real silo]

Vetrasyl op

[pliant ruin]

Would mean vetra and flame dragon were probably about equal in strenght

[real silo]

Bro got cloud, lightning AND wind

[frigid sage]

Boss refights are non canon right?

[spring helm]

yes

except calamitas i guess

oh and king slime and eye of cthullu

those aren't unique creatures

[frigid sage]

So for a canon playthrough no dev or donor content

And only one fight per boss

Hardcore

[spring helm]

i suppose dragonfolly could be redone, though i think the one you fight is the strongest of the species

so maybe not

[frigid sage]

Not like you’d need to

But yeah that would be a hellish playthrough

[spring helm]

duke fishron is also a species too so you could do refights with those

[frigid sage]

For the sanity of the person attempting they should just do expert revengeance

[spring helm]

that is indeed the canon difficulty

[frigid sage]

It’s THE difficulty

It’s the only difficulty

[spring helm]

i forgot queen bee

[frigid sage]

True

So you can farm for some loot

Could the exos count?

Because Draedon would probably build more

[spring helm]

the exo mechs took the entire playthrough to build

[frigid sage]

Ah

[spring helm]

i think you could frame Crygon refights as you asking Permafrost to recreate it

since it's a construct

[frigid sage]

Yeah I guess

What about astrum aureus?

[spring helm]

Draedon only sent the one

though

i guess you could ask him to send more to get infected

[frigid sage]

I meant deus

[spring helm]

oh then no

[frigid sage]

What’s his lore?

[spring helm]

Astrum Deus ate an infected star and became infected itself, which caused it to throw the astral infection to the planet

Draedon theorizes that it is one member of an entire species

you beat the corruption out of it, still have no idea how that works

it's one of the few bosses that don't die after you fight it

[light linden]

hey uh

random but how old do y'all think the boomsticks and muskets are when we find them?

technological progression in calamity seems wacky enough where they could be 100-1000 years old tbh

[mighty zenith]

imo the boomsticks are probably pretty old

i headcanon that they're from remains of dead adventurers and lihzahrds found them and put them in shrines as objects they dont recognize and are scared of

like primal tribes

[light linden]

kinda reminds me of something I'm doing with the lihzahrds in something I'm working on

[mighty zenith]

muskets are prob similar except they're stuff eater stole from adventurers who tried to kill it

so they can be younger

[light linden]

where they used to be traveling merchants and stashed some of their wares in trees for later

[untold oracle]

I feel like every other shadow orb item is just some materialisation of the vile magic energy that releases once you break the orb

But the musket?

[light linden]

musket makes no sense to be that tbh

[mighty zenith]

vilethorn and the pet make sense

[light linden]

same with the band of starpower

[untold oracle]

Ball o hurt kinda too

[mighty zenith]

eh

i think ball o hurt could just be a weapon too

[untold oracle]

It’s literally EVIL

Made from EVIL material

[light linden]

ball o hurt is made of demonite iirc

at least it looks like it

[mighty zenith]

yea demonite isnt exclusive to the corruption either

[light linden]

btw

[mighty zenith]

i think it could go both ways there

[light linden]

I kinda wonder if crimtane is organic in anyway

[mighty zenith]

it acts like just regular ore so idk

[hoary berry]

CHeart and SOrb stuff could be the divine essence clinging onto objects that have valuable memories attached to them (like weapons that have always protected you, trinkets you always wear, etc)
From my headcanon doc

I don’t remember when I came up with this but I stand by it

[light linden]

Been wondering, do we know if any of the dragons wielded weapons?

[sinful adder]

It appears in other places but only if your world has corruption. Because of this, I think it comes from the corruption but spread outside it

Somehow

[frigid sage]

Zeratros wielded a Glock 18

[gusty herald]

Yo garbo is a mod too congrats

[split mortar]

Yeah I think all the trial mods upgraded to full mods

[magic epoch]

I always hc shadow orbs specifically being eow eggs. I know it doesn't make too much sense, but still

[untold oracle]

I think shadow orbs are lures placed by eow

You feel an extreme sense of uneasiness when near one, making you instinctively break it, which then alerts EoW of your presence

[hoary berry]

Thats interesting

[pliant ruin]

im p sure

the bosses u could reasonably refight r like

king slime, eye of chtulhu, desert scourge, brain of chtulhu, eater of worlds, queen bee, aquatic scourge (?), duke fishron, dragonfolly (?)

and scal ofc

[magic epoch]

deus probably

[pliant ruin]

nah deus is

1 guy

[magic epoch]

has that been confirmed

[pliant ruin]

i mean it'd be pretty wacky if we had multiple deuses all conveniently being infected and conveniently going to ur planet

either that or if we had 1 deus that conveniently is so stupid it keeps being infected over and over

[magic epoch]

i thought the leading theory was that it was a species, probably a rare circumstance, but certainly possible

[mighty zenith]

i think aqua scurj is a stretch

[pliant ruin]

yes

but the deus u fight is 1 individual

[mighty zenith]

yeah its a theory

[pliant ruin]

one that got infected

and then u free it from its infection

[mighty zenith]

but realistically theres one deus per like area in space

so we wouldnt encounter another one

and we only fight it to free it from the infection

fighting it again wouldnt make sense unless deus is REALLY stupd

[pliant ruin]

stipude worm keeps getting infected

💔

[magic epoch]

dumbass fucking worm

[mighty zenith]

shut up sans under

[magic epoch]

no thanks

[untold oracle]

The poor deus being called stupid by the lore chat despite being constantly harassed by that one annoying astral microbe that keeps spawncamping them 💔

[dusk laurel]

[plain yew]

why did s.cal fight terrarian

did yharim call for scal

[pliant ruin]

because of ptsd regarding yharim

no she ahtes him

[plain yew]

like what the music thingy

oh

[pliant ruin]

the lyrics arent canon

they're based of old lore

she saw the terrarian treading a similar path to yharim so she tried to stop us before we could become as bad as him but we end up convincing her that we good

[plain yew]

so scal just noticed terrarian

[plain yew]

yeah we good

definitely did not just killed 47 other creatures

46*

[pliant ruin]

i mean

all the other creatures we kill either were evil or a immediate threat for the most part so

killing things in a game dosen't automatically make you evil idk why the terraria community in particular is so keen on that

is mario evil bc he stomps on goombas 😭

[plain yew]

nah not really

[pliant ruin]

ye

[plain yew]

you kill the goblin tinkerer out of hatred along the way

[pliant ruin]

i mean i don't

[plain yew]

1 step closer to yharim insanity

[pliant ruin]

you're making that choice at the end of the day

[plain yew]

kill that damned hellspawn

[magic epoch]

game theory Mario is mental

[pliant ruin]

Don't remind me..

[plain yew]

how wild do u think it looks on scal's perspective on those who does low%

[pliant ruin]

game4 theor

fnaf

fazbr

[pliant ruin]

yharim is cooked.

[plain yew]

kills the wall and the moon god on wake

[untold oracle]

She gets a ptsd panic attack when she notices you are a potential Yharim 2

[plain yew]

goddamn

[untold oracle]

So she tries to kill you preemptively

[plain yew]

holy shit

is it yharim speaking in the lore things

[dusk laurel]

Yes

[plain yew]

"don't be like me ahh" messages

[pliant ruin]

yeah its him

ironic because its more like

[frozen zodiac]

this one is actually just the result of an entire generation of people being manipulated by fan animations and content into thinking mario is a complete dick to everyone when he's literally the most jolly guy basically all the time willing to help anyone

[pliant ruin]

"be literally me except without being lazy"

[frozen zodiac]

dude can you PLEASE stop trying to put politics into your info dumping i just want to know what the world was like before i got here because there sure as hell isn't a library around here i do NOT care if you think the gods are stupid or whatever ok kratos i just want to know why people feared this thing i just killed

[plain yew]

im a yharim fan now

[humble fog]

stomping turts

[pliant ruin]

i loved stomping......

koopas...?...

[untold oracle]

Another one fallen for the yhapaganda 😔

[frozen zodiac]

what would you talk about with yharim if you could talk to him telepathically

[plain yew]

his thoughts about exo toilet

or does using auric toilet hurts

[frozen zodiac]

-Yharim has ceased communications

i think my terrarian would need to yell at him at least once when they realize he's the guy who killed their entire village

[plain yew]

well my terrarian's side is more

"u chill like that? ight let's have a ted talk before we kill each other"

[pliant ruin]

i'd reply to his initial monologue on awakening with skill issue then say skill issue again to him talking abt zeratros's death and then never speak again

he deserves to be bullied <3

[plain yew]

[frozen zodiac]

i feel like my terrarian would probably be super exhausted after Moon Lord with how long that fight can go on for

[pliant ruin]

after the moon lord fight my terrarian would look at the screen and say "well, THAT just happened..."

also as he's spawning she'd say "he's right behind me isn't he"

also it's just a self insert. my terrarian is just me.

ive never cared enough abt my terrarian oc to actually make one when i have to use all my brainpower for my own story and also for roy so instead i just made it a self insert

[plain yew]

my head canon is just

terrarian just loves beating up the siren and leviathan multiple times, they dont die

they just get a fist on their hrads and finally

money

[plain yew]

that's fine

[spring helm]

Cheese really told Lunatic Cultist
“Oh yeah? Moon Lord and what army?”

[plain yew]

whatever goes ngl

[pliant ruin]

Honestly she'd just act like a marvel character for the entirety of the ml fight for no reason other than it'd be funny

that's my entire character's motivation. it'd be funny. its me. playing a videogame. im doing things because i want to have fun. it'd be funny

[plain yew]

real

as long as you're having fun making lore or just playing the game

its all that matters

[untold oracle]

My terrarian just often gets pissed at him how he starts yapping at the worst possible times

[pliant ruin]

"bla bla bla dragons bla bla sinners bla bla bla xeroc bla bla"

SHUT UP!!!!!

[untold oracle]

I’m still wondering does she tell Yharim that she in fact is NOT continuing the crusade shitshow before or after the fight

[pliant ruin]

I feel like after would be more impactful

[frozen zodiac]

the cat from looney tunes hitting foghorn leghorn with a hammer when he doesnt shut up

[spring helm]

Have her say
“Nah, Imma do my own thing”
And then they fight

[pliant ruin]

because 1. yharim only ends up knowing that hte last minutes of his lfie

2. it means for the entire fight he thought he was fighting someone who would conttinue his work

it just makes it more emotionally impactful imo, and can also add suspense

the reader wouldnt know for sure until the moment hits

there'd be narrative tension

[frozen zodiac]

I know one of the devs said yharim's death would be more impactful if its silent but i just cant get it out of my head at least one person would have their terrarian tear yharim apart in the most flashy way possible with 100 explosions

the celebration mk2 was made for one thing only

[untold oracle]

Right, that’s the way to go then

[plain yew]

the premise of my terrarian is that he has his daughter accompanying him throughout the whole playthrough

thing is, i dont have the modding capability to make a custom summoner weapon that scales

[untold oracle]

That’s peak design

[spring helm]

Sonic and Tails fr

[pliant ruin]

NEW SUMMONER WEAPON

CHILD

[spring helm]

Always takes the max number of summoning slots

[untold oracle]

"Dad I’m sick of fighting eldritch horrors already!"
"Hello Sick of fighting eldritch horrors already, I’m Dad."

[plain yew]

real

[plain yew]

[frozen zodiac]

what do you mean my child cant be a giant worm from another world that keeps shooting lasers and mauling everything

[plain yew]

sir thats a wild animal

[frozen zodiac]

i got the staff for it so therefore its not wild i have the legal care for it

[plain yew]

[frozen zodiac]

"Oh good heavens, what happened to your arm Rose? Did you have an intense battle with a dangerous foe in the depths of the ocean?", says the princess
cut to my terrarian losing his arm because he was trying to give the cosmic worm a bath

[plain yew]

perfectly tamed animal

[pliant ruin]

i mean to be fair you probably could befriend deus

[frozen zodiac]

I did not in fact say it was easy to take care of

[pliant ruin]

heck

maybe he's already your friend after you beat him ..............

you gave him a nice shower i mean that's pretty nice

[untold oracle]

I’m pretty sure calclone has an identity crisis and extremely low self esteem

[pliant ruin]

i'm pretty sure calclone should be DELETED

GRAHHHHHHHHHHHH

[pseudo scroll]

this was really funny to read with no more than 3 lines of context

[plain yew]

what if

wait a second

[pliant ruin]

real

[frozen zodiac]

"How vile of Him to create a clone of the witch, and to leave it in such a horrible state in a mental chaos due to the magic it wields.
...I don't know how to feel about this summon weapon anymore :("

[plain yew]

give it a hug

dont u feel like calclone is similar to metal sanik

[untold oracle]

Similar to who

[pliant ruin]

metal sonic

[plain yew]

metal sanik

[pliant ruin]

you know like the soni that is a robot

and is like

made of metal

and is also evil. i think

[frozen zodiac]

which one

[untold oracle]

I’m sorry I never played any sonic games 😭

[plain yew]

i think he genuinely believes that he's sonic too

[frozen zodiac]

there's like 3 or 4 different characters that can be described as robot sonic

[pliant ruin]

darkflame the hellhog

[frozen zodiac]

cause there's silver sonic from sonic 2, the small one that's also silver sonic i think from the game gear games, the actual metal sonic from CD, mecha sonic mk 2 from 3 & knuckles

[wheat walrus]

blackflame the tarsquid

[pliant ruin]

:true:

[hushed geyser]

[spare pier]

I'm deleting YOU

[dusk laurel]

😨

[proven rivet]

I'm deleting existance

[pliant ruin]

she sucks reb

she sucks so bad

i'm the #1 calclone hater

g

[spare pier]

I think YOU suck

Jokes aside I just think you fail to see the actual potential behind her

Just think about what you can do with the clone of the most feared person in the entire world

[pliant ruin]

i'm not talking about the lore i'm talking about her existence as a boss in of itself

1. weaker version of another boss
2. exists in a point of progression that already has a gorillion bosses
3. isn't even a biome-themed boss and the only biome she could possibly be in (crags) already has a boss at the exact same point in progression

her lore itself could honestly be cool

i just think her existence is fundamentally flawed

[spare pier]

Well ok I also think you don't understand the potential of her as a Boss

Again

She is the clone of the most feared person in the entire world

[pliant ruin]

yeah that's why i think her lore application could be cool

but gameplay wise i have yet to see a convincing argument for her existence

[spare pier]

If you can convince the player they are actually fighting Calamitas, you can get a fucking amazing experience out of them

Scare people into thinking they are actually meeting her

Also she shares the same spot in progression as Plantera so like

[pliant ruin]

i mean just, hardmode, early hardmode in general has too many bosses

and also late hardmode

and just hardmode

hardmode has too many bosses

all of it

i hate hardmode

grr

[spare pier]

Kills u

[pliant ruin]

but yeah this is cool storytelling

its the only actual good thing i see from calclone

and the music i guess there's that

the music's pretty good

[rotund shore]

raw unfiltered calamity is like top 5 songs in the mod for me

[spare pier]

"The only actual good thing" and then it's the entire fucking point of the Boss

[pliant ruin]

if the entire point of ur boss in a sandbox rpg is storytelling thats not enough reason to make it exist imo

atleast not one like terraria tbh

[spare pier]

I don't think that's true whatsoever

A Boss can be majorly a storytelling piece even in this game

By making things centered around the story, that's exactly how you make people interested in it

[pliant ruin]

i disagree bc inherently a good part of the community wont have much interest in storytelling, even if it's really good, imo

purely bc terraria dosen't have one

people who want a terraria mod purely wanting More Terraria will likely still not b interested

People who want Calamity specifically or are open to a story in their funny terraria mod, sure

[spare pier]

Developing this Mod thinking that people won't care about the story is the first step for us to not care about it as well

[untold oracle]

Oh boy it has begun again

[spare pier]

I'm not going to stop trying to make people interested in it just because they might not care

[pliant ruin]

yknow if u guys dont like these conversations we can just take it to dms ive asked this before

[spare pier]

Again, having things centered around the story is how you make people interested in it

[pliant ruin]

but last time nobody seemed to care so

[pliant ruin]

thts not what i was trying to say btw

[random mulch]

as someone who very much is invested in the story, i am in favor of turning calclone into a fine powder

[pliant ruin]

what i was trying to say is that i dont think ONLY story would fix calclones problems and that's not ur fault

[untold oracle]

Calclone could use rework imo

[spare pier]

People like having answers, and if they come across something mysterious that is also a big thing in the gameplay, they'll think "oh what's going on with this"

[untold oracle]

Not removed tho

[pliant ruin]

idc what happens to calclone i just dont like her

[untold oracle]

Maybe put on another point of progression

[pliant ruin]

honestly if calclone was like the end of pre hm i'd like her more but that's not gonna happen ever so

[spare pier]

Someone will see Cal Clone and they'll question what's going on. They will see Draedon and Calamitas and all that. That leads to people being interested in the story more than they would be otherwise

[random mulch]

if she was actually a bait and switch she might be interesting for the first time you fight her but rn she's just kinda there

[pliant ruin]

it'd be interesting for the first time yeah but it'd still be kind of a mess after you've beaten the story once

[spare pier]

And you're assuming I don't have anything else planned for her

[pliant ruin]

nu im not its bc anything story based for her would only be relevant once you beat the story once and in further playthroughs probably wouldnt matter - even if you were to include multiple story paths or smth it'd ultimately only be relevant for a limited amount of times

which, with how replayable terraria is and how ppl tend to play the game a gorillion times, yeah, i adding onto my idea that, good lore isnt enough to fi x calclones issues

[spare pier]

I don't even understand What are the issues

Ok, she's a weaker version of Calamitas. I have that covered.

Ok, she's not biome-themed. Half other Bosses also aren't, and either way it doesn't matter.

[wheat walrus]

DPS Check:

[spare pier]

She's in a bloated spot in progression. Not really because she's at the same tier as Plantera which is after early HM

[wheat walrus]

Dps checks are sigma, if you disagree you fail the check

[spare pier]

Like, what else is the problem besides

The sprite is old

The fight is not good

Both things which will also be changed

[pliant ruin]

ok i disagree with this one entirely bc all of hardmode is bloated

im not talking abt plantera tier specifically just

hm as a whole

has too many bosses

[spare pier]

Whatever

None of them are going anywhere and we all know this

Aside from Ravager

[pliant ruin]

yeah it sucks

calamity is uhh

whats the wrod

someone said it

[split mortar]

Boss rush?

[wheat walrus]

I like my mod gamey bruh

[spare pier]

Calamity is big, either way I'm tired of hearing everyone say "ooooh Calamity has too many Bosses"

Cool, everyone knows this, everyone is aware of it, everyone is tired of hearing it

[split mortar]

Yeah

[pliant ruin]

ok i cant find the word but calamity is what happens when years of shit pile up and now devs have to deal with all the horrors

[spare pier]

Nothing is being done to solve that because we don't want to delete three different Bosses when all of them have their own identity and add something to the Mod

[pliant ruin]

well yeah i wasnt saying that but i needed to clarify for what reasons i dislike calclone

[spare pier]

The most deletable Boss is Aureus and even then if he was Astral Infection would just be awkward

[wheat walrus]

How many contents have you consumed in your life 🧛🧛‍♂️🧛‍♀️🦇

[pliant ruin]

my remove calclone thing ws just a joke

[spare pier]

Anyways, again

If all of the problems you outlined are being fixed or aren't really relevant

What even is the problem then?

Why is it impossible to fix Cal Clone?

[wheat walrus]

Garbo...

[pliant ruin]

didnt u just say u cant fix the cal boss bloat

and like i agree with that

so calclone wouldnt b fixable for that reason

[spare pier]

By that point you're almost saying "Calamity can't be fixed"

Because the entire Mod has Boss Bloat

[pliant ruin]

im not saying that tho im saying calclone is just a boss that i think is inherently pointless

her addition to the mod did not have to happen

[random mulch]

calclone is basically a relic that's been dragged out of time

[pliant ruin]

it happened years ago and nothing was done abt it because cal dreaded removing bosses back then and now its basically impossible to do so so instead the best thing that can be done is atleast make her not suck

[spare pier]

Ok and I just pointed to you why she's worthy to be kept around

[wheat walrus]

I can fix it

[pliant ruin]

reb my remove calclone comment was a joke i just told u

i just think shes pointless

[spare pier]

I know I'm talking about everything else

[pliant ruin]

i dont actually want her removed

[spare pier]

I told you why she isn't pointless

[pliant ruin]

pointless =/ i think she is doomed ot be a bad boss

[spare pier]

There is tangible value in keeping her around from a storytelling perspective and it's impossible to make anything else have such a role

[wheat walrus]

It can grow

Let it growwwww

[pliant ruin]

ok tbh i think the main thing isnt that i think shes doomed to be pointless i just think out of all bosses shes the most pointless addition if that makes sense and also some of my comments kinda were dumb in hindsight but idc

and u cant change that her addition was kinda pointless

thats what im tryna say

i just dont like her im a hater

[wheat walrus]

Why the bus aint coming i jus wanna eat kebab from the kebab man from the other town 😢

[spring helm]

Walk

[wheat walrus]

Hater arc cheese is wild

[wheat walrus]

That's a few hours of walk it's gonna be like too late

Nvm bus here

[spare pier]

Ok this is fair

I still don't agree that she's the most pointless addition

That's AS

[pliant ruin]

i'd say old duke but honestly either or

[wheat walrus]

NO SEATS

[pliant ruin]

stand for ur sins

[spare pier]

Old Duke was added as the final Boss of the Acid Rain, saying he's pointless is just wrong imo

[pliant ruin]

i think nuclear terror works fine as a acid rain final boss tbh

[spare pier]

Like, he always had a clear purpose ever since he was added

[pliant ruin]

but im biased since i love nuclear terror

[split mortar]

That’s going to be the case…

[pliant ruin]

i know melon gun

[split mortar]

Same

[pliant ruin]

🍈 🔫

im gonna fcflal u by ur full name awlays now

[wheat walrus]

It's not gonna take long you goober I went through worse...

[pliant ruin]

hi melon gun

[spare pier]

Everyone does but that always turns into "Old Duke sucks"

[split mortar]

I ain’t melon watergun

[pliant ruin]

old dukle sucks is dumb

i think hes cool

[spare pier]

I kinda hate Nuclear Terror because it's the face of the people who vehemently despise OD

[wheat walrus]

Old Duke dumbs

[dusk laurel]

Based

I love both

But NT works as the final enemy of the Acid Rain better imo

[spare pier]

When I think that NT wouldn't be as good of a face for "the most fucked thing in the Sulphurous Sea"

[wheat walrus]

Seat found but this place smells terrible dawg

[spare pier]

The identity of the Sulphurous Sea is mostly about creatures who managed to survive beyond all odds in their environment

Nuclear Terror is not that

[random mulch]

actually nuclear terror is that

[wheat walrus]

One of the worst bus rides except for the ones where people are smoking on main and it gives me a bit of headache

[random mulch]

the bestiary states that it's been fighting to stay alive for "centuries"

[split mortar]

It’s survived and is beyond all odds surviving I’m pretty sure

[spare pier]

Nuclear Terror is a creature that exploits the Sulphurous Sea, not survives it

That's the difference

[random mulch]

where does it state anything about exploitation?

[spare pier]

The Sulphurous Sea molded Nuclear Terror into what it is, Old Duke simply withstood everything that was thrown at him

[wheat walrus]

Is it a "shape the environment around yourself, not shape yourself around the environment" situation

Nvm

[spare pier]

Yeah no it's that actually

Wait no

I'm stupid

Well kinda

Somewhat

[wheat walrus]

I realized that kinda trope with Elder Dragons in MonHun since they do that a lot and their "emperor" is the best at that (Jiiva)

[split mortar]

"The effects of our actions are never immediately obvious. Centuries of poison and constant fighting for its own life created such monstrosity, now dragged to the shore by the unrelenting torrents. Whatever it may have been before, all that is left now is its will to survive."

[indigo glade]

"You think sulphur is your ally? But you merely adopted the radiation. I was born in it, molded by it." -Nuclear Terror to Old Duke

[split mortar]

That the bestiary

[dusk laurel]

True

[split mortar]

Lmao

[wheat walrus]

We humans do this a lot

So yea

[spare pier]

Either way yeah, I think the main difference between the two is that Old Duke is a show of strength

Nuclear Terror is a show of, well

Terror

[dusk laurel]

I think NT should be called 'Scary Bug' in GFB

[indigo glade]

That is Nuclear!

[split mortar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1137031736660856843/1325188709255090186/bounce.gif

[spare pier]

And I think it's better if the strongest creature in the Sulphurous Sea is a creature which completely survived it

[wheat walrus]

Endurance VS Adaptation?

[spare pier]

Instead of one that was barely hanging there and is completely irrecognizable from its former self

[dusk laurel]

I mean, Old Duke's still gonna be the strongest enemy in the Sulphur Sea

[spare pier]

Either way the discussion was about the most pointless addition to the Mod

It's 100% AS

That thing was added because someone submitted a resprite for DS, Fab saw it and thought it was too cool to pass it

[split mortar]

-# ok yeah i see that :(

[spare pier]

So he made AS

[split mortar]

Oh damn

[wheat walrus]

Incredible Event

[random mulch]

i like AS but i agree

[dusk laurel]

I did not know this lore

[split mortar]

And thus submarine shocker was born

[spare pier]

Either way I am a very firm believer that literally no addition to the Mod, specially when it comes to Bosses, is a net negative

Because people like them and become attached to them and they add more content

Unless it's fucking Elf Melter

Or Holiday Halberd

[split mortar]

If it’s fun then it’s fine though I think non boss content would add more fun then more boss content at this point

[split mortar]

What did that do to you?

Like

Why hate funny blue flamethrower

[spare pier]

I mean yeah obviously

[thin sage]

i dont like elf melter either

[spare pier]

I don't want to add any more Bosses

But I don't think any Boss that is currently in the game was a bad decision to be added

And look, I think there's a lot of merit to the fact that the only Boss who is near universally despised is Ravager

This Mod has 46 Bosses and all of them have a fairly big fanbase

EVEN ASTRAGELDON HAD ONE

AND STILL HAS

[split mortar]

Somehow

[split mortar]

Catalyst carrying probably

[untold oracle]

I don’t think any boss addition that has been made is bad, not calclone, not OD, not AS, or anything really

[split mortar]

Yeah

[untold oracle]

There’s a chance the mod wouldn’t necessarily be the same without them

[split mortar]

They may have dubious origins but they aren’t bad for existing

[eager bluff]

eldmelter isnt even a cal weapon its vanilla 😭

[spare pier]

WHAT

[split mortar]

You didn’t know?

[dusk laurel]

[spare pier]

OH MY GOD

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/466943505663655937/1083946998614470748/1678391318329531.gif

[eager bluff]

dev aboos pls demot

[split mortar]

That’s why it sucked before the flamethrowers in vanilla got good
-# just flamethrower and elf melter iirc

[eager bluff]

yes those are the only flamethrowers in vanilla

[untold oracle]

Shade(brainrot)thrower

[split mortar]

That’s modded

[untold oracle]

Yes

[light linden]

how did you not know that

you made the mod lmao

[dusk laurel]

[split mortar]

They are a lore writer idk if they code

[light linden]

fair point

[dusk laurel]

Rebecca was not one of the founding devs

[light linden]

but uh yeah

elf melter has been my favorite post golem ranged weapon for like 3 years

[split mortar]

It’s not post golem

It’s post plant

[light linden]

I usually only do the moon events post golem

[split mortar]

They’re also balanced for post golem in vanilla

Meaning most post plant gear is balanced for post golem…

[eager bluff]

its not post plant bloat in vanilla

in vanilla its post GOLEM bloat :D

[magic zenith]

Hi hello, is dragonfolly still a yharon's failed clone or lore changed already?

[split mortar]

Lore was changed in the rewrite

It is still draconic but it’s not a clone

It might be a dragon offshoot of yharon

[magic epoch]

fucking birs

birsd

birds

[split mortar]

But it’s just a normal dragon species not part of the the auric dragons

Oh and it’s also evolved to be much more reclusive and hidden while also more aggressive because they were hunted due to people thinking they were auric dragons

[magic zenith]

I didn't knew Calamity had non auric soul dragons

[split mortar]

Auric souls aren’t carried onto the children so when a auric dragon caused offshoots they would just be regular dragons

Fishrons,follies,wyverns and some more we see ingame are normal soul dragons

[dusk laurel]

Killing you for missing some spaces

[mighty zenith]

real

OCD induced murderous rampage

😊

[magic zenith]

Does old duke have a mafia boss soul or a peasant soul?

[dusk laurel]

Peasant

[mighty zenith]

whar

no auric soul if thats what you mean

[split mortar]

It’s the direct offspring of a auric dragon but it has a regular soul

Though its stronger then almost every auric dragon

[mighty zenith]

child exploitation

[split mortar]

oh and eidolon wyrms are also a offshoot

[magic zenith]

So dragon can be a weakling but still have an auric soul?

[split mortar]

Yes

That’s why slime god is so weak

[pliant ruin]

hi sorry i was busy going outside

[magic zenith]

Interesting

[pliant ruin]

what r we doing

[magic epoch]

it's like gods

[spare pier]

Slime Gif

[magic epoch]

slime gf

[random mulch]

oh hey, your pfp is looking a bit cooler

[split mortar]

Slime god was a weak person and a weak dragon making a weak god

[magic zenith]

I ask question to make my calmeaty awesome sauce oc

[mighty zenith]

WHERE

[magic epoch]

bad news

[magic zenith]

That's exactly what i needed to hear

[dusk laurel]

[mighty zenith]

sorry im stressed and my brain isnt working well

[untold oracle]

[magic epoch]

slimes girls as a whole were cancelled 7 years ago

[split mortar]

And then slime god refused to feed and devour like what slimes do so it’s also weaker then if it was to exist and be like other slimes

[magic epoch]

so unless you can smuggle one, then there's no chances for you

[split mortar]

Glad I could help

[mighty zenith]

woke government banning slime women

smh

[magic zenith]

Is he stupid

[split mortar]

They’re upholding a balance or something so it’s prob some beleif stuff

[mighty zenith]

also they survived longer than 99% of gods so

were they really stupid?

[split mortar]

Also they survived the crusade, they def are not stupid

[magic epoch]

they're smart but also a dumbass. makes sense?

[split mortar]

Hell they survive the prehardmode fight with the terrarian

[magic epoch]

the doomslayer

[mighty zenith]

just like me

[split mortar]

Yeah, that’s what I am

[magic epoch]

anyone else gonna make the same joke

[mighty zenith]

yeah me

[split mortar]

Yeah me

[magic zenith]

Maybe nobody just gave a shit about a god who's as powerful as a big bee?

[mighty zenith]

except the guy who deliberately despises all gods

[untold oracle]

He just has a hyperfixation

[magic epoch]

please unsnail this person

[split mortar]

It had been attacked by yharims army

[mighty zenith]

yharim DID try hunting it down

he just failed

[split mortar]

Yeah

[untold oracle]

One could say… it was a hunt of the old god

[magic zenith]

How do you even hunt something that can fly and teleport

[median helm]

🔥 ✍️

[mighty zenith]

exactly

[untold oracle]

You don’t

[split mortar]

You don’t, that’s why providence is such a problem

[untold oracle]

We’re just goated so we win

[dusk laurel]

suck a problem

[magic epoch]

ravager can fly and teleport confirmed

[dusk laurel]

GoS was killed

[untold oracle]

Ravager actually is nameless deity in disguise

[dusk laurel]

Ravager isn't even a god

[split mortar]

Slime god flees and survives in the fight

It only dies cause queen slime the hallowed paladin traps it inside itself because god essence let it break free of control or something

[untold oracle]

Iirc it is a viable theory that Ravager is in fact the God of Blood

[magic zenith]

Ravager hid behind a tin pole like a cartoon character

[dusk laurel]

Yeah

[split mortar]

And then when we kill queen slime slime god also dies

[magic zenith]

Why can't he just like, fly away or something

Isn't he a coward?

[mighty zenith]

he's stuck in queen slime

[split mortar]

The god of sacrifice dies to yharim, people revive it and necromancy being shit at reviving people proceeds to make a mindless beast with a gods power (Ravager)

[mighty zenith]

he flies away during the first fight but the hallow paladin overpowers it

something like that at least

[spare pier]

It's called Being Really Tired

[split mortar]

They do in the slime god fight
Queen slime is a giant slime made of god essence so it’s probably like paralysed or infected slime god meaning it can’t escape idk

[mighty zenith]

you would know

[median helm]

Uhhh, digression, the boss rush dialogue is getting it's n-th rewrite, yea?

[split mortar]

Apart from the final part I don’t see why it would

[spare pier]

It's rewritten

[split mortar]

Like it’s already been made accurate

[median helm]

Okay thanks I wanted to make sure

[spare pier]

There are no remnants of Old Lore in the Mod afaik

[split mortar]

Signus envoy of the devourer:

[spare pier]

Oh yeah

[split mortar]

How has that stayed for so long

[split mortar]

Oh and scal boss dialogue

Oops ping

Being sentenced to cement

[magic epoch]

to the worms with ye

[magic zenith]

With all that information about souls and dragons i can finally make a jellyfish god

😋

[pliant ruin]

god of jelofs

wait isn't that just otonilou

like

she's

literally a jellyfish woman

[split mortar]

-# otonilou
Jk god OCs are sick and I hope that goes well

[pliant ruin]

i think pooper mifght not know otonilou exists

[split mortar]

Eh it’s not like 1 god per species was a thing

So multiple jello gods can exist

[magic zenith]

Yes

[pliant ruin]

yeah so like theres

already a jellyfish looking goddess

so idk u might wanna make smth else

up to u tho

[split mortar]

God of electricity, one of the two gods of illmeris and died to scal when she was sent to obliterate their entire kingdom and sea

She caused sea prisms and thus allowed exo prisms to be made by draedon iirc

She was a great god morally

But as I said earlier

There can be multiple gods from the same species

[pliant ruin]

didnt say there cant be but i figure the user might not want to draw something similar to something that already exists

generally not as interesting to work on, i imagine

[snow mountain]

pooper you aren't beating the cal orbiter allegations

[magic zenith]

✅

[split mortar]

Jellyfish are varied so prob something they can pull off but up to them what they do with this info

[magic zenith]

I can't deny it anymore ig

[pliant ruin]

what the fuck is a orbiter

is pooper the moon

[split mortar]

#lore-discussion message
this has concept art of multiple characters including the sunken sea gods if you want to see them

[mighty zenith]

orb it er

[magic zenith]

Thanks

[split mortar]

No problem

[dusk laurel]

What a lunatic

[magic zenith]

Otoniolu looks nothing like the design that i have in mind 🎉

[split mortar]

Yippee

[magic zenith]

🤯

[pliant ruin]

yayyy woo yippe

[mighty zenith]

jeff

[dusk laurel]

the miller

[magic epoch]

Jeff the Krill

[mighty zenith]

jeff the thriller

[proven rivet]

I like how Silva takes up like 3 screen heights

[light linden]

hey uh

how many characters in lore use a sword?

3 right?

[formal drum]

draedon lowkey seems like a really chill dude if we forget about the plague

[mighty zenith]

he also makes like. war machines and stuff

and dumps radioactive waste into oceans

draedon does whatever the hell he wants really

and what he wants is to learn and discover new things

no matter how fucked up the process is

[pliant ruin]

one day he saves puppy

one day he punches puppy

all for science

[stoic gulch]

He’s just a silly lil guy

[stoic gulch]

He burnt every book, he read every book, he won every game, he lost every game

[split mortar]

When’s the prime

[stoic gulch]

Wha

You mean skelli(tron) prime?

On my birthday probably

[split mortar]

Ok

[split mortar]

Draedon would want those powers tbh

[stoic gulch]

Yeah

[mighty zenith]

draedon would be super interested in determination

[stoic gulch]

Ye

[split mortar]

And also garunteed infinite time to learn would be quite liked by draedon

[stoic gulch]

Honestly gaster and draedon seems similar (crack theory)

[stoic gulch]

Ye

[split mortar]

It is a crack theory

We know like fucking nothing of gaster

[stoic gulch]

They’re scientist

[mighty zenith]

98% of gaster info is fanon

[stoic gulch]

That’s it

[mighty zenith]

so yea

[stoic gulch]

He’s a scientist basically

That’s all

[split mortar]

And made core I think
And fell into their creation and shattered across time and space

[stoic gulch]

We have no idea what he looks like

[mighty zenith]

and probably discovered dark worlds

[stoic gulch]

First part I don’t think he did second yes

[stoic gulch]

Probably

[split mortar]

Oh yeah the photon readings negative right?

[mighty zenith]

yea

[visual kiln]

[

[mighty zenith]

"they say he created the CORE"

[untold oracle]

Wawa

[dusk laurel]

Bwaaa

[mighty zenith]

meowwwww

[visual kiln]

mrrow

[stoic gulch]

I think gaster just went into deltarune as well as dark wirlds

[pliant ruin]

mrrrrp

hi user

[visual kiln]

hiiiiiiii

[stoic gulch]

Mraow

[mighty zenith]

havent seen u here in a while azzy

[split mortar]

We dunno for sure though

[visual kiln]

im here now

[stoic gulch]

Ye

[mighty zenith]

bye bye

[stoic gulch]

Just my theory

[split mortar]

Garbo no longer loves aureus look at their pfp

[mighty zenith]

[mighty zenith]

slander

[stoic gulch]

yhadios…

[stoic gulch]

He’s just cooler now

[dusk laurel]

Warned user tries to slander a moderator

[split mortar]

Garbo the Metal Cooler Lover

[stoic gulch]

He still likes him

[mighty zenith]

ngl i dont even like metal cooler allat much

the core form looks sick

regular metal cooler is pretty boring

[split mortar]

Garbo isn’t a mod that’s just their mold from lack of cleaning evolving

[stoic gulch]

He’s better than king cold I guess

[mighty zenith]

he did kick vegeta in the balls

[pliant ruin]

king fraud

[mighty zenith]

swings a sword and dies

[stoic gulch]

Which is not ok

[mighty zenith]

groundbreaking character

[stoic gulch]

He did make som DNA in cell ig

[spring helm]

story of undertale

[magic epoch]

this feels familiar

[light linden]

random but uh

do we know anything about what the surface was like pre deific era?

[split mortar]

Pain

[light linden]

other than "hot as all fucking hell"

[split mortar]

Ruled by dragons

Since most dragons would struggle being underground

[light linden]

eh

personally I think the granite and marble biomes were originally dragon homes underground

but that's headcanon

[split mortar]

Could happen but it would probably be of specific dragons rather then general dragon guys

Oh maybe offshoots would be a lot more common

More dragons mean more dragon children

So the surface prob had more silly guys

[light linden]

oh also another thing

y'all think yharim would've eventually requested draedon to work on time travel?

[pliant ruin]

I think marlbe and granite r just natural

well, maybe not marble

since the mobs on it r pretty... unnatural

but granite

seems very natural to me

[split mortar]

Oh and bone serpents are providence or flame dragon related

[split mortar]

Yeah, but it would probably be if he was shown that any time shit was possible

[light linden]

or some way to at least see what the draconic era was actually like

actually

[split mortar]

So if he was to see time stop or time slow then he would prob request draedon to do that but inverse time flow

[light linden]

that'd be a neat alternative history thing

yharim looks back and sees some of the dragons being worse than the tyrannical gods he hunted

and then has a crisis

[split mortar]

Flame dragon

Would do that

[light linden]

not sure what yharim would do in that case tbh

would he just turn on yharon?

[split mortar]

No, he would prob excuse it somehow

[light linden]

not sure about that

[split mortar]

Like yharim imo would find an excuse for the dragons

[light linden]

he seems to have at least basic morals

[split mortar]

If he can make an excuse as to why gods are bad

[split mortar]

Child soldiers, genocide, probably much more

Like he has morals

Just he is fine with more

[light linden]

also I'd be lying if I said that I didn't agree with yharim being mad over a bunch of the gods contributing to a genocide for selfish reasons

ignoring the fact that he killed gods that were better than the dragons

[spring helm]

too bad that's not all he did

[light linden]

ik

which is why I specified that part is what I agree with

[split mortar]

he’d prob say something like “the auric dragons had out their eternal life at risk to protect the world, in the end they had proven themselves just” or something like that idk for excusing dragons

[light linden]

I'd be just as, if not more, angry as him

[spring helm]

there is a reason Yharim was able to gather up an army in the first place

[split mortar]

Yeah he provided either a morally better option to the masses

Or a monetarily better option to the masses

Like being a basic guy gave you good pay and food and shelter even on active wars

Cei had mentioned it a bit ago iirc

[light linden]

speaking of the infantry and all that

y'all think any of the godseeker knights are missing limbs and got draedon made prosthetics?

[split mortar]

Yeah I can see that

It’s hard to just regrow a limb

So any could lose a limb or two because of a close fight

[light linden]

Reason I am asking is because some of the background for the godseeker knight in my add-on they got promoted to a godseeker knight after nearly killing the profaned guardians but had to get new legs because his got burned off just above the knees

[spring helm]

draedon can grow an entire person

[split mortar]

That was after leaving the yharmy

We dunno if they had that tech before

[split mortar]

New as in flesh or new as in robot prosthetic

[light linden]

prosthetic

they're supposed to be the reason that they can also keep up with the player

lets them jump very high to hit players out of the air

[split mortar]

Wulfrum prosthesis is a thing so yeah a prosthetic would be possible

If tech savvy people can make it then yeah draedon could in the crusade

[limpid saddle]

Do you guys think Calamitas made the Sepulcher just to fuck with & get into the head of DoG?

[magic epoch]

sepulchre isn't even a worm

[split mortar]

She could have though it seems quite functional and less of a emotional thing but idk maybe bit of both

[limpid saddle]

I feel like the description of the summon weapon & the general amount of spite that existed in her at that time would point toward it being made to be a horrific little reflection just for him

[split mortar]

Fair

[hoary cape]

Neither is dog

[magic epoch]

my point is that im pretty sure sepulchre being a "worm enemy" is just a coincidence

it has nothing to do with the actual thing, unlike dog

[sinful adder]

I mean, as far as relation to DoG it is a coincidence

but both are long wiggly creatures

[magic epoch]

sepulchre is just like a mass of bones

[frozen zodiac]

I doubt she would make it out of spite tbh. More like a way to reflect her feelings on the horribly powerful potential DOG has that happened to create a living phantom of her inner concern towards him.

[magic epoch]

i thought it was just like

literally as she (and sepulchers name) describes it, a tomb