lore-discussion

[dusk laurel]

Doesn't it imply that the Sun under Zeratros was still in living memory when she ascended

Since Providence mentions it

[split mortar]

Well that just means providence was alive before xeroc weakens it

And I do think she is on the older end of gods

[dusk laurel]

end of gods

Anyways uh, this is what i'm referring to

And thus I swore to those I lost that I would do what is right, that my blaze's light would dwarf even that of Zeratros' Sun; That one day, this cruel world would know nothing less than My perfect fury.

[raven terrace]

She and Slime God are among the handful that remain...yknow until we do our thing.

She definitely Old.

[split mortar]

I’m talking about when all gods were alive

Like she was one of the first to ascend

That’s what I think

[raven terrace]

Is Providence still the most evil God or was that retconned?

[dusk laurel]

Flame was pretty bad, it's very possible it was one of the first targetted

[split mortar]

Yeah flame is the example of a shitty dragon

Then it got absorbed and made the example of a shitty god

[dusk laurel]

god absorbed

[spring helm]

The cycle of hatred

[dusk laurel]

This is like Frost with OD

Generational hate

This is what bad parenting does to people

[raven terrace]

Providence meeting her end to us is funny. She went all that way surviving and decides to fight us after we kill her Guardians.

Prolly felt like any other day until we did that-

[dusk laurel]

The polycule

Shattered

[spring helm]

We kill the guardians and suddenly murder isn’t so good anymore

[split mortar]

They’re not just guardians but a lesbian polycule iirc

[dusk laurel]

😭

[raven terrace]

Polycule?

[split mortar]

It’s murder that causes pain

[split mortar]

Word for when more then 2 people are in the relationship I think

So like 3+ people all dating eachother or being married I think

[frozen zodiac]

Provi and her 3 girlfriends

[split mortar]

Yes

[raven terrace]

Ah. So this fight was PERSONAL.

[dusk laurel]

Someone mentioned the other day that Holy Flames perhaps aren't painful, which fits with Providence's beliefs

[split mortar]

We kill her girlfriends or wives

[dusk laurel]

Yep

[split mortar]

Yeah I really like that idea

[raven terrace]

Suddenly much less funny-

[spring helm]

Poly

[split mortar]

Omnicide polycule vs guy

[dusk laurel]

@omni

[split mortar]

Monster hunter

Monster hunter

[spring helm]

@wheat walrus get pinged idiot

[split mortar]

Monster hunter

[dusk laurel]

💥

[spring helm]

Who is in charge of the plushies

[split mortar]

I ate them all

[dusk laurel]

Fabsol manages the merchandise iirc

[split mortar]

It was funny before?

[dusk laurel]

With oversight from the company that makes them ofc

[spring helm]

That’s crazy

@plucky echo where is the Yharim plush

[split mortar]

Also she sees us as a threat when we kill ml hence why profaned guys appear and the guardians

[split mortar]

Pfft

[calm patio]

[split mortar]

Popcorn on ping spree

[raven terrace]

Cuz she was evil. Felt like she was getting her just desserts after so long.

[dusk laurel]

[spring helm]

why is it not funny now

[split mortar]

Evil polycule

[frozen zodiac]

wait if its a polycule wouldnt that mean provi would join the list of lgbtq+ characters in calamity

[dusk laurel]

Yes

[split mortar]

The profaned guardians and providence are also all women

[raven terrace]

Providence prolly should have attacked us alongside her guardians. She isn't too far ahead of ML in power.

[spring helm]

great suggestion

[split mortar]

Her true 100% is night providence but splitting it with her gal pals was better in every way but a 1 v 1

[spring helm]

however

i'd still win

[tall delta]

but the jump in power from space god to xeroc is absurd

[split mortar]

Yeah that tends to happen when the fucking SUN is your power

[spring helm]

maybe shakidou was also stronger than yharim idk

[tall delta]

sunlight

[dusk laurel]

The sun that also orbits the planet

[raven terrace]

The jump is insane. Goes from being around ML to combating my Terrarian in the endgame.

[dusk laurel]

And yeah Xeroc only controls Primordial Light

[split mortar]

A writer said providence and guardians could give yharon trouble while night providence would struggle with unarmored dog iirc

So it’s just advantageous in the setting where her gal pals are dead

[raven terrace]

.-.

[spring helm]

the power of jumping people witht the power of friendshiplesbianism

[dusk laurel]

TRUE

Look who it is

[split mortar]

The power of yuri is above dog

[dusk laurel]

Yuri Cheese

[pliant ruin]

DID

SOMEONE

SAY

YURI

[split mortar]

Yes

[dusk laurel]

[raven terrace]

DoG gets dogged...like usual!

[split mortar]

Fraud like usual

[pliant ruin]

you are what you eat

[spring helm]

to be fair, Providence Blue is still quite the jump in power, that's like 5 bosses

[pliant ruin]

devourer of frauds

[dusk laurel]

So true

[split mortar]

Yeah

[raven terrace]

Providence: And I call this one Super Saiyan Blue.

[spring helm]

super genocide blue

[split mortar]

Goku loses to yuri confirmed

[dusk laurel]

Would Xeroc promote Xanax

[split mortar]

What’s xanax

[dusk laurel]

This is a very important question

[pliant ruin]

isnt it tape

[split mortar]

I thought it was going to be a medicine

Or a drug

[dusk laurel]

Medicine

[spring helm]

i thought it was a narcotic

[dusk laurel]

I love drugs

I mean uh

[spring helm]

i visit the nurse every day to obtain pharmaceuticals

[split mortar]

L

[spring helm]

where did Nurse go to school

[split mortar]

Yharim

[spring helm]

what kind of medicine fixes a DoG-induced hole in stomach

[dusk laurel]

Melon gun after I give him the Bubonic Plague

[split mortar]

That’s not super dangerous nowadays iirf

[raven terrace]

Hmm...are Slime Kings like generals to Slime kind, or are they just a stronger slime?

[dusk laurel]

Fine, you're gonna be distorted

[dusk laurel]

I imagine the latter

[split mortar]

They’re just slimes conglomerates into one big one

So probably not much if anything other slimes k is ti just avoid the jumping building

What would fuck you up worse

Eating flesh from the end
Or flesh from the distortion

[spring helm]

i mean they summon other royalty-exclusive slime

so they have some authority

[raven terrace]

The crown ain't for show people!

[split mortar]

I know
The expert accessory indicated they can cause them to not attack instantly atleast

Has magic

[raven terrace]

What if King Slimes became one?

[spring helm]

became what

oh

goozma

[raven terrace]

Gooey

[gritty kraken]

is goozma even canon

[split mortar]

No

They got replaced by noxus in old lore

Then new lore happened

They are ancient lore

[gritty kraken]

Yeah ok
Saw new draedon chat option about goozma and it got me thinking

[tall delta]

yeah hotog adds that

[split mortar]

That’s from the addon not base cal

[dusk laurel]

So you have HotOG

[raven terrace]

The monsters like King Slime and EoC are so vast in number and simple in lore, but I still love them a ton.

[raven terrace]

HotDOG

[tall delta]

a new update is coming btw

[wheat walrus]

[split mortar]

Killing one is enough to make you a local hero/legend which gives quite good hindsight on how strong you get so quickly

[split mortar]

L

[spring helm]

[wheat walrus]

statti zitto pisciomelone

[split mortar]

Ditto?

[gritty kraken]

yeah I was somewhat surprised that they gave goozma it own draechat so I thought they made it canon

[wheat walrus]

🤦

[split mortar]

I am sleep deprived

[dusk laurel]

[spring helm]

is a calamity person with full pre-boss gear stronger than a modern person kitted out with the best fighting equipment

[split mortar]

Yes

Easily

[raven terrace]

I guess that explains the many NPCs that move in after the eye falls.

[split mortar]

Multiple times over

[spring helm]

right i forgot you can fly a bit pre-boss

[wheat walrus]

whaaat

[split mortar]

Cause they would have similiar gear

But not much life crystals

So it’s like
140 health guy vs 400 health guy same gear

[wheat walrus]

calamity lore mfs on the 7th day of the year and they throwing me in de polycules against a dude named guy

[split mortar]

At 1 am no less! Smh my head

[raven terrace]

1st week into 2025 going great

[wheat walrus]

ts was calamitous

[split mortar]

Got warned and threw someone into a polycule just for them to fight someone

What the fuck is the next week going to be

[raven terrace]

Can't believe we're halfway to 2050. 2015 was 10 years ago.

[dusk laurel]

You're gonna get arrested

[wheat walrus]

how tf you got warned

[split mortar]

Fucking
Did
Shut
Up
No
Nuh
Uh

[wheat walrus]

😭

[split mortar]

Terrarian sticker

[pliant ruin]

can't believe 2014 was 2 years ago

[split mortar]

Damn :(

[dusk laurel]

I miss 1987

[raven terrace]

Bro is living in the past-

[split mortar]

It’s still 1984 though

[dusk laurel]

Stop reminding me

[wheat walrus]

calmain moderation going crazy with lack of consistency dawg 😭

anyways

[split mortar]

Yeah lore

[pliant ruin]

what does that even mean omni

omni on his hater arc

[raven terrace]

2012 being 13 years away is DEFINITELY important to the lore. Definitely.

[wheat walrus]

lack of consistency in the sense that first they delete img perms cause of stuff like terrarian meme, then say terrarian sticker is fine and then warn melon for that same thing like choose

choose your own adventure cool but this is just choose everyone's own everything depending on the moon

[pliant ruin]

who said terrarian sticker is fine

tell me

[wheat walrus]

gecko

[split mortar]

Tbf it was a mod or admin not a trial mod so prob why idk

Idc the perms here isn’t exist

[pliant ruin]

you.

@hoary cape 5 days.

[split mortar]

.

[dusk laurel]

[spring helm]

blud not even a full mod

[dusk laurel]

Ruh roh

[pliant ruin]

ok

u spammed them

[wheat walrus]

alr so was it spammed

[pliant ruin]

💥

nvm

gecko im not killing you

[hoary cape]

What

[pliant ruin]

ur fine

[hoary cape]

What did I do

[pliant ruin]

nothing ur fine

its all melon guns fault

[split mortar]

Maybe, idk don’t think I was sending it much though

[pliant ruin]

the fault lies within melon gun...

[pliant ruin]

you were

you 100% were

spam isnt = sending it every 2 seconds

[split mortar]

Oh ok then

[raven terrace]

.-.

[wheat walrus]

calmain is not surviving april 4.5 2025

[pliant ruin]

the fog is coming

rise my pestilent

rise my pestilent

rise my pestilent

[hoary cape]

I am chilling cheese now

[split mortar]

Yuri fight when

[pliant ruin]

the voices r taking over again god damn it

[dusk laurel]

You need to distort

[pliant ruin]

hi i'm the voices

fog fog fog fog

fills everything

[hoary cape]

Cheese is being thrown in the deep freeze for accusing me of crimes I didn't do

[wheat walrus]

i mean honestly being warned lowkey doesn't even matter in lore discussion lol the entire channel has been warned for a month

wait a month guys

[split mortar]

Yeah that’s why I don’t give a fuck about it

[wheat walrus]

almost

[spring helm]

summoning Azazel rn

[wheat walrus]

there's like 20 hours left before the message aligns with the date here

[dusk laurel]

You.

You summoned her

How,,

[fervent palm]

1700's sea shanties, now with Fog!

Fog Fog Fog Fog Fog Fog Fog

[split mortar]

YHARONS HERE BEAT THEM TO DEATH
Oh it’s them never mind

[wheat walrus]

if lore discussion aint getting unwarned now or in the next few days due to specific time stuff we gotta do smth

[fervent palm]

The Fog is Coming

Pestilent

Pestilent Fog

Fog Fog Fog

Bye

[split mortar]

Fog

[dusk laurel]

The evil took over

[faint plank]

frog

[spring helm]

that's like, canon or something

[split mortar]

Whar

[wheat walrus]

lore disc been warned for a month

[split mortar]

Ohhhh

As in the entire chat

Damn time flies

[wheat walrus]

this is literally a channel wide warn 😭

[dusk laurel]

Hey! Atleast we still can send emojis from other servers

[split mortar]

When far as I know the two people who were causing problems are
Banned and warned

[dusk laurel]

Unlike warned people

[split mortar]

I don’t have nitro anyways

[wheat walrus]

who the other one

is it you

[split mortar]

I’m warned

Kana is banned

[wheat walrus]

yea unwarn us calmods...

or we gonna become the chicago of calmain

[split mortar]

Just add more people to sscls shrimple

[dusk laurel]

[rotund shore]

ew

[wheat walrus]

who rn

[dusk laurel]

Maybe Thunder

[wheat walrus]

alr what about uhh

[split mortar]

Idk it’s 1 am my brain not work

[split mortar]

Oh yeah them

[wheat walrus]

oh nice pick that guy is kinda active actually

[rotund shore]

what is sscls

[wheat walrus]

super secret

[split mortar]

I thought you were in there

[wheat walrus]

grandpa gun

[rotund shore]

I am not a knower apparently

[split mortar]

Damn

[cloud ibex]

[split mortar]

I guess courier could get yoinked aswell

[wheat walrus]

alr then time to expand domain and become a greater landlord

[split mortar]

Oh hey perennial slime reverie

Or not

Idk

[dusk laurel]

[faint plank]

-# u didnt see me

[split mortar]

My eyes are watching 👁️ 👁️

[wheat walrus]

sentenced to lore society

[faint plank]

😨

[split mortar]

Oh they’re getting yoinked aswell I guess

[dusk laurel]

Hey melon

We should add you too

[split mortar]

:/

[dusk laurel]

:3

[faint plank]

incredible

[wheat walrus]

why we acting as if melon aint there

[split mortar]

Just cause I haven’t touched Meowmix doesn’t mean I don’t exist

[wheat walrus]

why is it called meowmix even

[split mortar]

Cat food brand

[spring helm]

“I just lost my dog” actually works really well for Yharim because he and Yharon are one, making them closer than siblings. And Yharon did teach him how to chase the bag (commit genocide).

[split mortar]

Is this some talk from meow mix or something

[wheat walrus]

i just lost my dawwggg and my soldier taught me how to chase the bag

[faint plank]

🔥 ✍️ _ _

[dusk laurel]

Popcorn wrote a whole story because he heard "I just lost my dog" iirc

[split mortar]

Oh yeah they did

[faint plank]

honestsly that takes some creativity

[wheat walrus]

yea

[spring helm]

Yeah I did

[wheat walrus]

the ending transcends peak

which is why composite calamity scales to oute

[split mortar]

New scale dropped!
oute

[wheat walrus]

outerhouse level go outside cucumber pistol

[spring helm]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1v9SRbWKqUR03IdnMGoi9zflkt1mxgMLTlIgzTeorZ68/edit

Here it is btw

[wheat walrus]

i cried

[spring helm]

Ok I sent the right one this time

[split mortar]

IP grabber

[faint plank]

i got something to read while in the subway ig 💥

[spring helm]

Shut up bro you probably live in 221B Baker Street

[rotund shore]

subway as in transit or subway as in sandwich

[split mortar]

Lmao so wrong

[split mortar]

Prob transit

[split mortar]

Also join sscls

It is oeam

[dusk laurel]

Are you trying to abduct people

[faint plank]

i didnt think there was a subway (sandwich) in my country but apparently theres 3

[rotund shore]

wowwww kidnapping in my lore discussion

[split mortar]

Correct

Join now

[dusk laurel]

Wtf

I have NEVER seen the left emoji before

[split mortar]

I just saw it

what is this

[dusk laurel]

That's a dog

[split mortar]

[dusk laurel]

I think Popcorn just lost his

[split mortar]

His what

Oh

I dumb

Rip popdog

[dusk laurel]

[spring helm]

I don’t have a dog

[split mortar]

Not after the incident :(

[spring helm]

[wheat walrus]

[split mortar]

[rotund shore]

[wheat walrus]

ancient primordial ass emotes no one gives a shit about that have been forgotten

[split mortar]

-# omni sent you a sscls join

[wheat walrus]

yep

[split mortar]

Dog??

[spring helm]

guys if you keep kidnapping all the lore discussors here who's gonna be left to discuss lore

[wheat walrus]

the moderators

[split mortar]

Kidnap them

[spring helm]

cei and reb are already there lol

[split mortar]

They’re not mods

[wheat walrus]

those are devs

:/

[split mortar]

Well cheese are there

I think

Add gecko

[wheat walrus]

yknow what i mean

[split mortar]

Add ein

[wheat walrus]

🥹

[spring helm]

i forgot Rebecca told the trial mods
"You want my mod privelages? You can have it. I left everything I had in one place, now you just have to find it!"

[wheat walrus]

they found that shit in weeks bro this aint one piece

one perm

[frigid sage]

Did Yharim create any public transit systems

[wheat walrus]

one role even

[wheat walrus]

maybe

[split mortar]

Very likely but we ain’t sure

[spring helm]

i like to headcanon Yharim as actually being a decent, benelovent ruler

[frigid sage]

Ŷħäřøņ bus

[spring helm]

just makes a bigger contrast to the fact that the cities he builds up is built on genocide

[raven terrace]

Are Yharim and Draedon still in contact?

[spring helm]

no

[magic epoch]

after yharim found out about the plague they basically just fucked off

[spring helm]

Draedon can't find the Aerie

[split mortar]

Yharim being in the aerie means they can’t contact eachother

Also no apart form the exo auric upgrades they’re divorced

[raven terrace]

Calamitas seems to kinda just be living by herself in the wilderness. Nearly everyone was either evil or had a tragic story.

[split mortar]

She does have a tragic story

[magic epoch]

she has the latter

yeah

[gritty kraken]

boil the fishes

[split mortar]

She was a girl in poverty who gained immense magical powers yet still couldn’t save her city yet alone brothers and then After that she gets manipulated by yharim and eventually has to freeze her adoptive father in ice

[spring helm]

Calamitas likes the sushi 'cause it never touched a frying pan

[split mortar]

Calamitas goes through a 49 episode long flashback every time she smells fish being cooked

[spring helm]

why doesn't Calamitas just use magic to refill the sunken sea? Does she not feel remorse?

[raven terrace]

Terraria is almost entirely in ruin. The place is kinda like a valley rn I think.

[split mortar]

A century long world war occurred where reusable nukes were being constantly used
So yeah I agree

[pliant ruin]

Is she stupid?

[magic epoch]

chose

[split pewter]

i wonder how much bullshit draedon could get away with doing before xeroc gets involved

if they decide to do so at all

[magic epoch]

probably wont

[raven terrace]

Calamitas regrets 99% of everything she did under Yharim. She can't do much about it in this day tho.

[spring helm]

accidentally pick a fight with Noxus

[magic epoch]

idrk why they would

[split pewter]

like, he's effectively creative mode with infinite resources at his disposal

[spring helm]

unincinerate the sunken sea

[split pewter]

money is no object when he can directly fabricate whatever he wants using resources excavated from the planet

[real silo]

What if draedon rehydrates the desert

unsinks the sunken sea

[spring helm]

considering the exo prisms give nigh-unlimited energy, i'm pretty sure he can just synthesize matter directly from energy now

[magic epoch]

why would he though

what would he get from that

[real silo]

for fun

[split pewter]

this fucker has an ME system

[split mortar]

Draedon doesn’t plan to overly harm the world so he wouldn’t get attacked

[raven terrace]

Ya think Draedon might one day combine the Exo Mechs and refine them into a giant robot battle suit?

[spring helm]

restored environment promotes the return of the ecosystem, providing bigger opportunities for research

[split pewter]

nah but i bet he has a warform lying around somewhere

[split mortar]

That’s Exo mech dusa

The Exo mechs were his lost battle effective toys

Wrong

Fucking

Word

[frigid sage]

Huh

[spring helm]

🤨

[dusk laurel]

???

[split pewter]

draedon could probably just travel to other planets if required as well

[frigid sage]

Why was that in your auto correct?

[spring helm]

birds

[tardy root]

Mod summoned.

[split pewter]

send a few torches into the black and von Neumann the shit out of everything

[magic epoch]

i didn't even notice

[faint plank]

daer god

[dusk laurel]

😭

[split mortar]

Oh did it get a mods attention
Oops

[dusk laurel]

You summoned to mods

[magic epoch]

is it the word ithink it is

[tardy root]

Nah all good, I just thought it was funny

[split mortar]

lol

[magic epoch]

mistakes hapeppen...

[raven terrace]

What happened? I was gone for a moment.

[split mortar]

Idk answer why sand translates to sans at times or god to gif

[split pewter]

although then again

[frigid sage]

Huh

[split pewter]

xeroc is presumably much more powerful than draedon has the capacity to ever become

[raven terrace]

He has.

[split pewter]

mainly because it's not like funny robot man can breach the confines of reality regardless of what he tries

meanwhile xeroc did so the moment he turned traitor

[split mortar]

The only thing that convinced a writer draedon in the future could battle xeroc was basically teleportinguxh stronger nukes on them

Which if you need teleporting nukes for that

Yeah that says something about Xerocs power

[split pewter]

eh depends if xeroc is the punch you really hard kind of god or the incomprehensible kind of god

obviously WotG is doing more of the latter but that's not canon

[raven terrace]

If Draedon can teleport nukes, he's automatically the most dangerous being in Terraria.

[split mortar]

Xeroc is relatively unchanged from human form ikrc

[split pewter]

despite what some people think

[split mortar]

He can’t get

It was a theoretical for the future

[split pewter]

if xeroc is just a guy with the unmatched power of the sun

draedon theoretically could have a bunch of weapons at his disposal

barring literal teleportation, sending a barge into deep space and firing metal poles at the ground REALLY fast would work

[magic epoch]

terminal montage legendary Pokemon battle royale necrozma vs Arceus ending

[split mortar]

Consider xeroc can also teleport

[raven terrace]

Draedon will keep improving until he literally can't improve no more, yet Xerocs potential still goes higher.

[split pewter]

draedon is the kind of guy to put the exploding draconic reactor in a cardboard box and ship it directly to xeroc's doorstep

[magic epoch]

meow

[split pewter]

it also really depends on how far technology can actually go in this universe

[real silo]

Xeroc has the rod of harmony

[split mortar]

But like
Size of the sun

[dusk laurel]

Wtfrick

[raven terrace]

Considering Draedon made machines that could give Yharim a good fight and someday improve them to be better, tech is OP.

[dusk laurel]

Transformation

[real silo]

Exo enhanced scal

[split pewter]

well exo prisms are an effectively infinite energy source right

[real silo]

Or better yet

Brimstone enhanced exos

[split mortar]

Well exo prisms are magical things so to draedon magic is just science

[split mortar]

Apollo:

[real silo]

Erm

Wrong..

[split pewter]

apollo doesn't use magic

[split mortar]

Yeah they have the output of like a nuclear reactor that doesn’t run out of fuel

[real silo]

If you scale up scal's magic and give it to ares

[split pewter]

it's just a really spicy chemical mix

[split mortar]

Exo particals are literally traced back to auric power

[split pewter]

why not crush one up and put it in a box

and then wait

gonna explode eventually right

[real silo]

Throwing a cloud of exo crystal dust

[split pewter]

pocket sand

[real silo]

Ultimate pepper spray

[frigid sage]

The exos are made of miracle matter right?

[real silo]

blind your enemies with infinite electricity

[split pewter]

no

[split mortar]

No

[real silo]

No they're made from exo prisms and some form of cosmilite alloy

[split pewter]

we don't really know what they're made of specifically besides "strong metal" or exo plating or whatever that is

probably an offshoot of cosmilite

[split mortar]

We stabilise miracle matter so if they were then they would just not function

[split mortar]

It is

[split pewter]

where does it state

[split mortar]

It’s an alloy that’s using cosmilite

[split mortar]

Draetalk

[split pewter]

ah

[split mortar]

Anyways it’s near 2 am bye

[dusk laurel]

Bye bye

[wind mortar]

who is draedons wife?

[gritty kraken]

I think only ares core is made of unstable miracle matter

[robust osprey]

is xeroc draedon's wife?!?!

[wind mortar]

idk

[faint plank]

i am he jsut doesnt know yet

[robust osprey]

no way

[dusk laurel]

What.

[untold oracle]

Yharim.

[muted torrent]

How big is DoG canonically?

In lore, ignoring in-game scale.

[gritty kraken]

The in game size

[eager bluff]

the in game scale

or more accurately

the resprite scale

[manic coral]

then i guess you're ignoring the lore scale too

no reason i see that it'd be any different

[deft vessel]

Tbh I have noticed some similarities between Yharim and senator Armstrong

[robust osprey]

fab says the yharim fight will be like armstrong fight iirc

I mean yharim have nanomachines, son!

[deft vessel]

You enter the grave of light and “It has to be this way” starts playing

[untold oracle]

No way he has draedon’s heart too

Combining that with infinite healing potions + dragonfruits it’s gonna be one hell of a fight

[deft vessel]

And he monologues

[manic coral]

My version of Yharim is the one where i didnt use Armstrong as an inspiration at all and yet he's the one who ended up way more simmilar to him

somehow

also i will say something i am doing for there to not be a bunch of super short and simple topicsless option that cause clutter to make the amount of chocies to talk to NPCs about things seem overwhelming

it already might ngl

i am working into some people talking about things being in topics for others things when it makes sense

like permafrsot despite have no inherint selection for asking him about the wall of flesh

he mentions the wall of flesh when talking about DoG and you can ask him a lil more about it

[split mortar]

Lmao

[manic coral]

like he mentions Yharim jsut caring about DoG being "more efficent" than the wall of flesh and you can sorta divert and ask him like

"what was so inefficient about the wall of flesh?"

just doing stuff like that for things people would relaistically only have a dialogue box or two of stuff to say about

also i do enjoy permafrost pointing out basically "yeah, uh, reason number one i don't and have never trusted the devourer: a being showing up specialized in devouring godly essence during the Crusade of all things is suspicious as hell"

[mighty zenith]

how very convenient

[deft vessel]

Ah yes

No escape from metal gear

[snow mountain]

psycho mantis?

metal gear?

[latent bolt]

what if we dont use armstrong as an inspiration for his fight and use darth vader as inspiration instead
both got burned by lava, have cool ass swords, and are utterly terrifying to fight

[sinful adder]

The thing about Yharim and Armstrong is that characters being that way is basically a natural consequence of writing a compelling villain like a real person

[split mortar]

And being jacked strong

Oops ping

[untold oracle]

Nahnah a villain should be EVIL™️ who does it because they want POWER to be EVIL™️

[cloud ibex]

i mean nothing wrong with those villains necessarily

they can still be written well

see for example: jack horner

[latent bolt]

Yharim doesnt need to be redeemable as a villain

[deft vessel]

Everyone does not need to be morally gray

[untold oracle]

Preposterous!

[stoic gulch]

Like me

😈

[split mortar]

Killing you brb

[stoic gulch]

Bad for you

I have a tommy gun

[deft vessel]

But he is a melon gun

[stoic gulch]

I will make melon tommy gun

And then

Eat it

[sinful adder]

Correct. People can be just as human as you, but no less evil or worthy of death for it. This is true in real life and it is true in well written fiction

[latent bolt]

We shall de-morally gray yharim

[stoic gulch]

He won’t be racist towards lihzahrds!!!

Or is it yharim that is that

[latent bolt]

yharim being racist to lihzahrds is canon in both lores now

[untold oracle]

I will banish you with the Power of Friendship

[stoic gulch]

Jokes on you I am the clostest friend to my buddy kris

I have the power of friendship as well

[mighty zenith]

kris deltarune ?!

[latent bolt]

the power of friendship does nothing here

[stoic gulch]

Yea

[untold oracle]

Why do cultists spawn only after golem?

[stoic gulch]

Because yes

Idk if there is a lore reason

[mighty zenith]

celebrating the death of their rival cult

[stoic gulch]

Maybe something that golem is like a fake god and had a seal on whatever the f the cultists are doing

[mighty zenith]

(theres probably a reason but i have no idea honestly)

[stoic gulch]

Ye

Something

Probably

Like the big ghetti star

They have to hold bag the big ghetti star

I should watch abridged

[mighty zenith]

spaghetti star

[stoic gulch]

Real

[mighty zenith]

its good (if you can live through the first season)

[stoic gulch]

If I do watch abridged I would only watch the movies and cell saga

[mighty zenith]

like episode 14 or so is where the series becomes actually good

and by the end its really good

[stoic gulch]

Ye

[mighty zenith]

id start from namek honestly

[stoic gulch]

I watched that two weeks ago

So I wouldn’t

[mighty zenith]

fair enough

[carmine forum]

do you think theres secret lore of yharon being a hawk that can tuah

[sinful adder]

Explode

[split mortar]

You will not outlast the desert

[carmine forum]

nah

implode

[untold oracle]

💥

[hoary berry]

[pliant ruin]

goodmorning lorechat

[dusk laurel]

Hihi

[untold oracle]

Haihai

[cosmic minnow]

mornin

[cosmic minnow]

you changed pfp????

criminal

[pliant ruin]

flan

[untold oracle]

:3

Destroyer of worlds

[pliant ruin]

flan!

[faint plank]

kill that creature

[untold oracle]

:( no

[pliant ruin]

kill YOU

[faint plank]

but its evil

[pliant ruin]

nuh uh..

[hoary berry]

[dusk laurel]

[untold oracle]

Nope

Basement dweller

[pliant ruin]

true..

[faint plank]

it took away my braincell

shes the cause of my brainrot

[hoary berry]

Horrifyingly evil curse

[hollow osprey]

are there any other things besides miracle matter we know or is implied the terrarian named? i found it really funny how draedon sort of chastised the player for the bad name

it would be really funny if one the only things we knew about the play was their terrible naming sense

[neat tinsel]

Skeletron Prime

I think

[hollow osprey]

are the mech bosses in general named by the player canonically?

[mighty zenith]

yeah all four

[hollow osprey]

lmao

[mighty zenith]

their actual names are more like the exo serial names

though I believe the greek god names for exos are draedon's

its also pretty likely a bunch of bosses and enemies are named by them too

like wall of flesh or hive mind

hell, it'd be funny if skeletron is named by them too

since then they'd basically be going "skeletron... and skeletron 2"

[untold oracle]

Was draedon aware of the clothier’s curse

Skeletron and sprime look oddly similar yk

[pliant ruin]

Tbf i feel like. wall of flesh. is a pretty fitting name

for a wall of flesh

like that

that sure is

a wall of flesh

if ive ever seen one;. yup

[gritty kraken]

relogic

[mighty zenith]

well yea

thats what a guy who saw it for the first time would think

i dont think "the Destroyer" is a very creative name either

[spare pier]

Garbo why the fuck are you Metal Cooler

[mighty zenith]

why not

(i ran out of aureus pfps and this shot of metal cooler goes hard as fuck)

[pliant ruin]

that thing

it sure does destroy

its a destroyer

yup

it destroys

[gritty kraken]

What does xeorc mean by calling yharron his old friend in boss rush is it an old lore

[mighty zenith]

he was close to the dragons before

therefore he was friends with yharon

[spare pier]

That applies to like, 5 Bosses tho

[mighty zenith]

but then the whole ascension thing happened and uh

yeah yharon is a little bit mad about that

[gritty kraken]

shouldn’t have posted after-ascension pic on social media

[hollow osprey]

i'm pretty sure plantera too

it just fits in the player name convention

[pliant ruin]

honestly most of them could be called destroyers i think

new boss

killer

it kills

(its yharim

[mighty zenith]

me finding a cool flower while listening to my favorite band

[pliant ruin]

yharim being literally just called "the killer" would be the funniest thing ever 😭

[spare pier]

TRUE

[mighty zenith]

the tyrant...

[pliant ruin]

jungle guy

shouldn't have said jungle i'm

[mighty zenith]

yes you are

[hollow osprey]

"eater of worlds"

[fervent palm]

yharon jungle dragon

[mighty zenith]

hello azazel

[hollow osprey]

doesn't eat crap

[fervent palm]

yharon jungle dragon

hi

bye

[mighty zenith]

bye

[fervent palm]

hi

[mighty zenith]

who are u

[pliant ruin]

i think any mention of Jungle or Dragons has like

a 35% chance of Activating her

[mighty zenith]

are u broly

[pliant ruin]

no i'm cheese

[mighty zenith]

hello cheese

[pliant ruin]

hiiii

what were we talking about again

i forgot

[mighty zenith]

terrarian's shit names

[pliant ruin]

true

the killer.

[mighty zenith]

hold dragon gentle like hamburger

[pliant ruin]

you're doing this intentionally...

[mighty zenith]

oh sorry

[pliant ruin]

no ur fine lol im jk

[mighty zenith]

hold gentle like hamburger

[pliant ruin]

hold

[faint plank]

🍈

[dense lynx]

why didn't Yharim just wore ear plugs so he couldn't hear DoG? Is he stupid?

[median helm]

What do y'all think the Gods who transformed into the corruption/crimson were the Gods of?

If there is an actual answer (and not just hc) then uhhh mb

[dense lynx]

God of government

[wheat walrus]

lmao imagine not wearing earplugs in a giant monster fight smh

[untold oracle]

There were a lot of gods there

We don’t know any of them to my knowledge sadly

[prime mauve]

gods of being lame and dying

[untold oracle]

True;

I like the idea of god of thorns

Could be one of them

[median helm]

Okay I figured it out how I'll handle it

[pliant ruin]

grahhh i love fanmade gods

god of forging,,,

[untold oracle]

Now I’m thinking of god of snow/ice

[median helm]

Prolly an elemental...

[pliant ruin]

i mean theres already dragon of frost so idk if thered be a god of ice/snow

feels like too much of the same thing

also isnt dragon of frost technically speaking still alive

[untold oracle]

Whar

[pliant ruin]

isn't it gonna b like

in a cryogenic dormant state basically

sealed away forever 💔

or am i just mandela effect'ing

[untold oracle]

I don’t know anything about this dragon of frost anyways

[pliant ruin]

i know it's gonna be alive in triangle's addon

[dusk laurel]

Ye but I don't think it's still alive

[pliant ruin]

dragon of frost was a dragon that betrayed the other dragons and became a god and also is the ancestor of pigrons

[untold oracle]

Makes no sense, Yharon is the last dragon

[pliant ruin]

also its gonna be a fightable boss in triangle's addon

mega mammoth dragon

[pliant ruin]

ig its arguable

might be in like, a coma

it will be alive in triangle's addon but again, it's a addon, so it's not considered canon

[untold oracle]

So is dragon of frost similar to that massive frozen monster in subnautica bz

[pliant ruin]

yeah basically

i forgot what auric souls it absorbed

if we even know that

but i know it did that

[untold oracle]

souls?

[pliant ruin]

plural issue

[untold oracle]

Oh

[pliant ruin]

i mean technically it couldve been multiple souls that would be crazy

[untold oracle]

I thought bro fucked around and found out (polterghast treatment)

[pliant ruin]

auric polterghast

real

i imagine god of forge coming from a dragon of land

there's the tectonics dragon the user is making

[split mortar]

Idk if the god part is going in base calamity only heard of that in the context of the addon

[pliant ruin]

that works too

[pliant ruin]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

its cool as fuck so i hope it does lol

[spare pier]

I know I've been wanting to change the Domain

And I also don't want that in the Mod because there is Literally Nowhere to Talk About It and also it'd just be super awkward

"This Dragon is super fucking important and you'll never hear about him outside of this one off tale"

[mighty zenith]

dragon of forgor 💀

[pliant ruin]

that's reasonable

[spare pier]

Like, come on Yharon would've known about that if it happened

[pliant ruin]

i mean i think he does?

[mighty zenith]

nobody talks about him cause they forget when they look away from him

i totally havent been watching doctor who

[spare pier]

About this, it's because we've already mentioned not wanting to make another thing be related to Dragons

And despite how much we talk about it

[untold oracle]

Maybe Yharon is disgusted and tries to hide their existence

[spare pier]

The DRAGON OF FROST being in the SNOW BIOME which SHOULD NOT EXIST is just

[pliant ruin]

i remember there being a dragon of frost creating the snow biome idea but i can see why that was scrapped

both because it'd be a really fucking big deal for what essentially is a background character and also because like

[spare pier]

Like, we can say as much as we want about how this Dragon didn't make the Tundra

[pliant ruin]

dragon

[spare pier]

It'd still be bullshit

[pliant ruin]

dragon everywher

[spare pier]

So I just want to change the Domain to sever that link

[pliant ruin]

i do like the idea of it being a elemental dragon much akin to flame though but i'm not sure what other domain could fit that idea even

[untold oracle]

Oh wow… another cool worldbuilding thing ruined by shoving dragon/god/crusade there

[pliant ruin]

hey what if it was a sin dragon

like gluttony

[untold oracle]

There

[pliant ruin]

he's pretty fucking evil anyways makes enough sense

[spare pier]

I will think about it later

[pliant ruin]

and more sin dragons would b cool

ok fair

[untold oracle]

Maybe dragon of greed?

[pliant ruin]

fuck yeah

i was thinking either

wrath, greed or pride

but actually i think

literally every sin can work ngl

[spare pier]

Byeah like, this is also not really an argument since

Xeroc

[pliant ruin]

like straight up

[spare pier]

Yharon is disgusted by Xeroc and he isn't hiding that guy's existence

If anything Yharon is much more of a "let's publically shame this one guy for commiting a cardinal sin"

[pliant ruin]

I mean it's not like he has to hide its existence

[untold oracle]

Well yeah but it’s a dragon that’s a disgrace for dragons, it’s bad for ”dragons are amazing!!!” agenda

[spare pier]

Yes, exactly, which once again begs the question

[pliant ruin]

if anyone would hide it it would be yharim

[spare pier]

Why would no one mention it?

[pliant ruin]

actually maybe that's why, honestly

yharon wouldn't want to tell yharim

or, anyone, really

because of The Agenda

and no one comments on it because it happened eons ago and nobody remembers it, maybe it was one of the first gods

[spare pier]

The agenda is already broken when a Dragon Monk was the first God

[pliant ruin]

yeah but nowhere near as much as a dragon being a god

[untold oracle]

Maybe Yharon was lowq scared Yharim would have second thoughts on dragons if he told him

[pliant ruin]

i just really like the idea of a dragon turning into a god

[mighty zenith]

are you kidding, that man is delusional

[pliant ruin]

it's a really unexplored concept

[spare pier]

Either way the second problem still arises. If only Yharon knows this, how would we convey such information ingame?

And, most importantly

How would Yharim not know it?

[median helm]

in the aerie, his soul speaks to us

[pliant ruin]

We did establish the idea of Yharon just, not telling Yharim, or anyone

[spare pier]

He is specifically stated in Draetalk as someone who loves to learn history

So, if this Dragon God is well recorded history which we could find, why would Yharim not know about something that is deeply related to his own goals?

[pliant ruin]

While Yharon is very much open about his spite towards Xeroc, i feel like it could be reasonable that MMD's existence feels like such a tarnish in the history of Dragons that he actively avoids talking about it and hope people just forget it

[pliant ruin]

Also it could just, not be well recorded history - Again, a forgotten being, as i mentioned

[spare pier]

But if we can find it, why would Yharim not?

[pliant ruin]

Tho i do agree taht

Finding a way to explain MMD ingame seems tricky

[untold oracle]

We’re just that goated

[spare pier]

[median helm]

Sorry to change the topic, but what the hell are elementals and why is Silva an elemental

[pliant ruin]

It's not like there's other things Yharim couldn't figure out that we did

[spare pier]

When it comes to DRAGONS?

Sorry

[pliant ruin]

Embodiments of the elements

[spare pier]

Saying he doesn't know something is just dumb

[pliant ruin]

Like, Anahita is just

Water

[pliant ruin]

Not really

Even if he's obsessed with dragons, that dosen't matter if smth is unrecorded

U can love dinosaurs

[mighty zenith]

have you seen gun fans

[untold oracle]

Physical embodiments of the elements. Silva was an elemental because, well, she just happened to be one.

[pliant ruin]

dosen't mean u will automatically find every dinosaur fossil ever

[spare pier]

He is 130 years old and has dedicated his entire life to avenging the Dragons. He would look for every nook and crany for history about them

[mighty zenith]

those people know fucking everything about some random pistol you've never seen

[pliant ruin]

He would look for them

Dosen't mean he would find all of them

[spare pier]

But if it's unrecorded, how do we find it?

[pliant ruin]

We're goated

[dusk laurel]

[spare pier]

I don't think you can find something unrecorded

[mighty zenith]

lebian intellect

[spare pier]

Like, you mentioned dinossaurs

They are recorded

Fossils

[pliant ruin]

That's not my point

My point si that there's

several dinosaur fossils and species that several paleontologisats will live their entire lives without finding or discovering

but yet another one could end up actually finding it a year later after those guys die

[untold oracle]

We got luckyyyyy

[pliant ruin]

based on just, luck and diff situations

[spare pier]

Also saying he is "unrecorded" is a bit silly considering we'll find that thing's bones in the Underground Tundra which was a site of operations for Draedon

[median helm]

So elementals can absorb auric souls huh

[pliant ruin]

maybe dragon of frost was just really deep underground in a place that yharim never found

Yharim being obsessed with dragons dosen't give him x ray vision sob

[spare pier]

That Draedon never found?

[pliant ruin]

Hey, there you have it

[untold oracle]

Yeah, I assume Silva was very intelligent compared to the other elementals

[pliant ruin]

Draedon could know about it after he left Yharim

He has no reason to tell Yharim about it

And he could talk about it with you, thus explaining it ingame

🦐

[spare pier]

Does he have a reason to not tell Yharim?

[pliant ruin]

Yeah because why would he

[spare pier]

Why wouldn't he?

[pliant ruin]

He's already not alligned with him anymore

He gets no benefit from it

[spare pier]

And he'd definitely find the skeleton before he left Yharim's army

[untold oracle]

Did Yharim ask?

[pliant ruin]

Would he tho

[spare pier]

Yes it's Draedon he had full surveilance over Azafure

[pliant ruin]

Ur ignoring the fact things aren't just guaranteed to happen like that

[indigo glade]

The Ice Lab was presumedly created prior to Draedon's leaving, since he still had contact with Permafrost at the time the log was written, so he would have plenty reason to tell Yharim.

[pliant ruin]

Even if he had full surveilance on azafure he could've missed smth there

Nothing is 100% guaranteed like that

[spare pier]

But he literally says he didn't miss anything

[pliant ruin]

And by that same logic he could've missed smth in the tundra until later

[pliant ruin]

He also says exo mechs r stronger than all gods

[untold oracle]

Imo not everything has to be 100% thoroughly linked and explained. Sometimes you just get lucky or unlucky, it happens irl too

[median helm]

And on the topic of elementals and dragon of frost. Shouldn't there also be a frost elemental? Wouldn't that dragon and that elemental get fietsy over having to share the same thingamajig?

[spare pier]

Like, he outright says "I don't know what the fuck went on with Calamitas because there's literally no fucking way she would've been able to hide"

[indigo glade]

Anahita uses ice.

[pliant ruin]

This is so true because genuinely u can be like the best archaeologist ever and still miss a huge dsicovery that was right under ur eye because of dumb luck

[median helm]

Ehhhhhh etooo blehhhh

Does that really count tho?

[dusk laurel]

Yes

[pliant ruin]

And i don't think anyone would question if Draedon just

[median helm]

Damn

[pliant ruin]

Found it later

[dusk laurel]

Ice is frozen water

[indigo glade]

It is close enough.

[median helm]

Okay okay

[pliant ruin]

After he left Yharim

[spare pier]

Like, I'm sorry but Draedon not finding the skeleton until after he left Yharim's side is just completely unreasonable. He has radars strong enough to survey the entirety of Azafure, he had digging robots who could tear down miles upon miles of ground

He WOULD find it specially because his base of operations is not that far away from it

[indigo glade]

Cheese, if you say he wasn't in the Tundra at the time, I will explode you.

[dusk laurel]

[pliant ruin]

He wasn't in the tundra at the time

try me. bitc

[indigo glade]

EXPLODE!

[pliant ruin]

jk

[indigo glade]

💥

[mighty zenith]

seeker of STUPID

[deft vessel]

I think the skeleton being there would look really cool, but does not make really sense

[pliant ruin]

but yeah honestly does the fact draedon have super advanced radars in the snow biome that detect everything matter that much because i think you could just like

kill that part

i'd do it if it allows me to write smth cooler

[deft vessel]

Unless its at Draedons base

[mighty zenith]

...

[pliant ruin]

or atleast make it so the radars are potent but still have blind spots

[indigo glade]

Draedon acting as Yharim's greatest spy is also cool...

[spare pier]

And he'd obviously tell Yharim because Draedon's main thing is that he likes to advance humanity as a whole in as many knowledge fields as possible, and Yharim is probably the single most historied man in the world when it comes to Dragons

[mighty zenith]

-# say that again

[indigo glade]

Are you saying the radars aren't cool?

[pliant ruin]

I mean yeah which is why him radar'ing azafure makes sense

Surveillance type shit

But the snow biome is just snow

[indigo glade]

And that is exactly why he would surveillance it.

Like

It is just snow, that shouldn't be possible.

[pliant ruin]

Idk i still feel like u can change things to make it work

[untold oracle]

Draedon is 1984?!

[spare pier]

My point is that adding this cool thing directly contradicts a bunch of things we have already stabilished and would require us to rewrite a lot of other things as well

[indigo glade]

Yes.

[untold oracle]

Unsubscribed

[indigo glade]

Draedon is also of a high temperature.

[spare pier]

And when you have a half published story which would demand a lot of time and effort to change around said concept, you have to just

Not do it

[pliant ruin]

From what i'm seeing there isn't much that would need to be rewritten, specially since correct me if i'm wrong the only real problem here is the fact draedon has full surveillance over the snow biome, which isn't a particularly remarkable or noticeable detail for most people

If you change that part as far as i'm concerned it seems like you could easily make all the other ideas subsequently fit

[spare pier]

No the problem is that if Yharim knew about this why the fuck would he never talk about it? What would be his opinions on the matter? How does this impact his general agenda?

[pliant ruin]

Reb

If Draedon didn't have a full surveillance of the snow biome

My idea would work

He could've found it later

And wouldn't tell yharim

That's literally all you need to change from what i'm seeing

[spare pier]

And, as far as I'm concerned, there is no way of making Yharim not know about this unless we directly altered stuff

[spare pier]

But this isn't a matter of "if"

[pliant ruin]

I feel like you're ignoring alot of what i said

[spare pier]

Beyond all reasonable doubt he'd have found it if only through the Armored Diggers

[pliant ruin]

Assuming Draedon was the only one that knew it

and did so after Yharim kicked him out

Yharim could very well have just not found out about it

Because, again

[tall delta]

from what i remember he is the dragon god of zodiac in the addon

so yeah

zodiac elements

excluding flame probably

[pliant ruin]

Him being obsessed with dragons and living for 130 years dosen't automatically make him able to know everything there is about them

[deft vessel]

Wall of text incoming I think

[spare pier]

But why didn't he find sooner when he had literally all of the resources to do it? Saying he didn't just because of luck isn't interesting

If you need to make an excuse to fit in a concept, it's already iffy

[pliant ruin]

I mean, the entire idea is that it's been lost to time so long ago and has been so throrouhgly hidden that only Draedon, and nobody else has been able to find it

[untold oracle]

It took me a moment to realise but this is prolly the seventh Cheese vs. Rebecca grand argument

[pliant ruin]

It's not just that Yharim skill issue'd

[pliant ruin]

do u guys want us to take it to dms or something bc i dont wanna annoy ppl but i also dont really care because i like debating things its fun

[untold oracle]

Nono it’s fine

[pliant ruin]

as long as the discussion isnt one where the person im discussing with is blatantly wrong and stupid and dumb and we arent like calling eachother bad words i find debates to be fun

like

6 years ago

i think

[cosmic zenith]

I firmly believe a Dragon God is already a bad idea for base Calamity as it draws attention from Xeroc's earned achievement, explores a level of sinful conduct that is unfitting to even the most extreme Auric Dragons, breaks Yharim's ideology from the wrong side of the "debate", and introduces a supposedly extremely powerful figure who will be restricted to its individual story
It's an interesting possibility, which is why I don't think it's bad for an addon, but I definitely wouldn't support it being in base Calamity

[pliant ruin]

i had a argument with someone who insisted that marine reptiles like mosasaurs n shit where de-evolved (this specific term) dinosaurs

i remember this because it was when i met one of my best friends

it was fucking stupid

[pliant ruin]

I actually can agree with this

mostly the last bit

having such a powerful character be essentially just on the background and not be relevant otherwise would be kinda lame

[spare pier]

I can't believe dolphins are just de-evolved apes

[pliant ruin]

so true

[spare pier]

Anyways Stip also brought up every other concern I had about actually adding this thing to the story

My arguments were more about what if the concept itself was put in the story how we'd deal with it

[indigo glade]

What.

Literally?