lore-discussion

[raven terrace]

Speaking of Yharim, has he been watching us since the beginning?

[robust osprey]

I mean he talks to us in the beginning

so probably

[raven terrace]

From what I know, Yharon prolly went against Yharim's wishes and went to try and kill the Terrarian before they could get too strong.

I wonder how the Terrarian came into existence and how we got Yharims attention then.

[split mortar]

Refer to the terrarian is up to you image

[raven terrace]

2nd half still interests me tho.

[split mortar]

Also up to you

[raven terrace]

Yharim can't possibly be interested in a guy on a quest to obtain 1000 chicken nuggets.

[split mortar]

He absolutely can be

[raven terrace]

Damn.

I didn't think it went that far.

[split mortar]

Except that we suck at naming

You can make it anything

[raven terrace]

My Terrarian is good at naming.

[split mortar]

Only thing that’s not allowed sorry

[raven terrace]

😭

[split mortar]

They named Skeletron prime and Exo blade you are not convincing me they’re good at names

[summer ice]

is there a canonical length preferably either meters or kilometers about the Primordial Wyrm’s size

[raven terrace]

Their like Asgore.

[robust osprey]

fucking miracle matter, even draedon have beef with terrarian beacuse of that name

[split mortar]

Yeah
The in game size

[raven terrace]

Boutta name their theme song after them.

[summer ice]

How would you calculate pixels

[robust osprey]

with blocks

[split mortar]

1 block is 2 foot

[raven terrace]

He can't do much about it tho. We discovered it, we get to name it.

[split mortar]

So pixels are also a set size

[summer ice]

so Terrarian is almost 6 feet?

[manic coral]

yeah tools in-game quantify a side of 1 block as being 2 feet

[split mortar]

With comical hair size yes

Though bald iirc they’re smaller then scal

[summer ice]

Okay I’ll do some maths

[robust osprey]

fucking goku

[summer ice]

Somebody got a full screenshot of primordial Wyrm’s body?

[raven terrace]

She must be tall then.

[split mortar]

She is 5’4

[raven terrace]

WHAT

SO WE'RE SHORT?

[summer ice]

she’s a little sister and a lil sister

[manic coral]

obviously this isnt accurate in measuring landmasses, it is accurate is measuring smaller scale things. like in msot games.

[robust osprey]

🤏

[deft vessel]

Iirc The Terrarian 5’6

[manic coral]

like if you enter a person's hosue in skyrim it's gonna be a realistically sized house even if the land of skyrim is smaller than disney world

[manic coral]

it only has 3 unique segments

you only need to measure the head, the tail, and then a body segment

[summer ice]

but how many segments is the body

[manic coral]

and then multiply the body segment length by how many body segments it has

and idk

i dunno why you'd expect me to know that off hand

[split mortar]

Use wiki

[summer ice]

I’m gonna find it on google or youtube

[raven terrace]

If the Terraria world had to stop the Terrarian keeping Xeroc and Noxus out, what class would they have the best shot against?

[split mortar]

The terrarian can’t stop xeroc

[manic coral]

i do not understand the question being asked here. maybe because im tired.

[deft vessel]

Probably the strongest class lore wise

[raven terrace]

Hence why I noted keeping Xeroc and Noxus out.

[manic coral]

if this is the question then idk why there'd be one

[split mortar]

I think they’re all equal

[deft vessel]

Same

[manic coral]

it wouldnt make sense for there to be one imo

[raven terrace]

I mean, Summoner summons could be lured away. Summoner on their own is Supa weak.

Yknow, unless they use the Providence add on.

[split mortar]

Whips force the summons to target a person without distraction

[robust osprey]

you have swords, america, slavery, mana potions ultimate drinker and throwing bricks

[manic coral]

anywyas imma sleep now

gn

[robust osprey]

gn

[stoic gulch]

Lol

[raven terrace]

That about sums it up.

[deft vessel]

Gn

[raven terrace]

Gn

Hmm...

I guess it's up in the air then.

[robust osprey]

I should also sleep it's almost 5 AM

gn guys

[raven terrace]

Summoner COULD use the Flamsteed Ring and become iron man.

Gn!

[split mortar]

Shadowspec not canon

[stoic gulch]

Good night

[raven terrace]

Ah. If it was Canon, Summoner would prolly be the strongest class.

Flamsteed fixes the issue of being weaker on their own.

[stoic gulch]

If descriptions would be real then def melee

[raven terrace]

In physicality, melee should always win.

Otherwise it defeats the point-

[stoic gulch]

G u n

[split mortar]

Slick
Cane

[raven terrace]

Slick cane?

[split mortar]

Can 2 shot slime god iirc

[stoic gulch]

The most op weapon currently

Like 13 second kt on slime gods

[split mortar]

And it’s pre slime god

[stoic gulch]

23 on wall of flesh

[stoic gulch]

Ye

[raven terrace]

Seriously?

[stoic gulch]

It’s viable for fucking dragon folly

[raven terrace]

Shoot-

[split mortar]

Yes

[stoic gulch]

Ye

[split mortar]

wtf

[stoic gulch]

2 minute kt yea

[raven terrace]

No way it's not getting nerfed.

[stoic gulch]

It’s getting nerfed

[raven terrace]

Phew.

[split mortar]

It’s a rogue weapon btw

[raven terrace]

A weapon that early taking on Moon Lord is crazy-
I should have known. Rogues always go crazy.

At least from what I heard.

[stoic gulch]

I’ll go shower see you guys in a bit

[summer ice]

I counted 43 body segments cause the player was staying too far as a max in 0.25x speed and considering that would be around 1/3 to 1/4 of the size I would say it’s 3.48x larger on full scale

[stoic gulch]

Best class

[summer ice]

so at least 150 body segments and 1 head and tail on low end and 200 body segments on a high end

[raven terrace]

It feels lackluster early game so far. I haven't reached hard mode with it yet so I haven't criticized it. It'll pick up I'm sure.

[summer ice]

And every 3 pixels would be about one block size

Or length

A body variant 1 is 134 x 100 pixels

body variant 2 is 86 x 88 pixels

Head segment is 258 x 138

[split mortar]

Rogue can outdo summoner at times

[summer ice]

Tail segment is 86 x 120

[raven terrace]

You'd think Melee would be the strongest-

[summer ice]

Body Segment Total is 220 x 188 multiplied by 150 segments, scratch the width only keeping 188 is 28,200 pixels in length Body

28,200 + 138 and 120

[raven terrace]

This guy is mathin.

[summer ice]

28,458 pixels total

And 3 pixels equals 2 ft

Since a block is 2 ft

9,486 feet

[split mortar]

Why?

[summer ice]

It is 2.891 kilometers reaching almost 3

[split mortar]

Balancing would mean it’s the weakest offensively for its higher defense

[split mortar]

That entails they’re like almost as long as a medium world damn

[summer ice]

But with 200 body segments is 37,858 pixels

high end

12,619.333 feet

[raven terrace]

I mean, I figured it would be Supa stronk on account its the class you can physically go blow for blow against enemies...generally in games anyway.

[summer ice]

It is 3.846 kilometers

Since I like the abyss and the Wyrm bosses I’m going to use high end calculations

[stoic gulch]

Ok shrimple

Be any other class and run

[raven terrace]

Somehow, my mage class had over 200 defense.

[stoic gulch]

Yeah that’s normal

[raven terrace]

Really?

Does Melee go up to like 300?

[summer ice]

With that math all done the Primordial Wyrm is around 1.154 kilometers shorter than the estimated Gargantuan Leviathan from subnautica

[stoic gulch]

250

[raven terrace]

My mage managed to reach about 420ish.

[stoic gulch]

Oh you’re doing gargantuan length

[raven terrace]

240*

Not 400. Beeg typo.

[summer ice]

Adult Eidolon Wyrm length

I’m comparing the sizes so

[stoic gulch]

Ah

[summer ice]

And also on a low end it is around 15 kilometers shorter than sea water

[stoic gulch]

Wel aestheticus would be like 50 meters

[summer ice]

Eater

And around 18,735 kilometers shorter than a high end sea eater

[raven terrace]

Theoretically, max defense would make the game ez right? Tank anything you don't dodge with ease. The games naturally strong weapons get the job done.

I heard it can reach levels beyond 500.

[summer ice]

Max defense Pre boss is like 111

[raven terrace]

.-.

[stoic gulch]

Ye

But that’s with only defense

[raven terrace]

I usually only reach that by Plantera-

[stoic gulch]

And you shouldn’t really do that

[stoic gulch]

Thats normal

[summer ice]

Max defense is probably around 800-900+ at scal

[raven terrace]

Oh yeah. You crushing anything with ease.

[stoic gulch]

600

[summer ice]

With whatever accessory mods you can find

it’s possible to get infinite defense

[stoic gulch]

I mean yeah

[raven terrace]

Imagine Calamitas shooting a black hole at you and you just walk into it.

"Is he dumb? He just walked into that..."

And they walk out almost unharmed. That would be brick sh*ting.

[summer ice]

Signature Equipment breaks the game with dumb numbers

I downloaded it post scal and used it with murasama

[stoic gulch]

Ye

[summer ice]

got numbers so big nothing died

They gained heath

Guys I can’t find my phone

Not the one I’m using I need my music phone

I now wonder what it would be like to have signature equipment and Kevin

[stoic gulch]

It would

Be kevinl

It will be able to beat goku

[summer ice]

Honestly I hate goku

And Gojo

[stoic gulch]

👁️ 👁️

[summer ice]

And other op characters that are op for the sake of ruining plot

[stoic gulch]

Do you see what my pfp even is

[summer ice]

I still hate them

[stoic gulch]

The thing is that current goku is not even near the strength of beerus and Frieza

[stoic gulch]

Gojo I agree with cause it’s just fucking hax

[raven terrace]

In Dragon Ball it makes sense. EVERYONE is OP over there, so Goku has to keep pace like any other Shonen protagonist.

[stoic gulch]

Which is stupid

[summer ice]

Soft & Wet: Go Beyond existing

Tusk Act 4 existing

We love jjba stands tho

[stoic gulch]

True

[summer ice]

Soft & Wet has the most wild name but is such a cool stand

Like Wdym go beyond can literally create bubbles that don’t exist

[stoic gulch]

Yeah

Everyone forgets but krillin in frieza arc could easily destroy a planet

[summer ice]

Except yamcha

[stoic gulch]

Nope Yamcha is solar level

[summer ice]

I FOUND MY MUSIC PHONE

[stoic gulch]

Currently

[stoic gulch]

[raven terrace]

Frigging Chiaotzu could solo Naruto and MHA.

[stoic gulch]

Maybe even close galaxy level

[stoic gulch]

Yes

Chiaotzu and yamcha probably is galaxy level actually

Like how are they not above cell at this point

[summer ice]

That’s because the strongest mha character is prime shigaraki and theoretically doesn’t exist

[stoic gulch]

Still

If we count in movie goku that is a whole other beast

[summer ice]

Shigaraki all quirks is at MOST multi planetary and that’s as much we can do

[stoic gulch]

Like ssj 3 goku in movies is as strong as ui goku in top

[raven terrace]

Dragon Ball is an OP verse.

I think problems stem from Goku just power bullshi*ting through problems. Dude uses his power to force his way through time.

[stoic gulch]

Yeah

[stoic gulch]

Like ssj 3 goku made two near infinite dimensions shake when he transformed into ssj 3

[summer ice]

With bros intelligence I dunno how he accidentally didn’t die

[stoic gulch]

Ui goku only did it with one

[stoic gulch]

He is smart

[summer ice]

yeah bros fight smart

[stoic gulch]

Just fight smart

[summer ice]

but he gonna eat some poisonous berry and die

Because chi chi ain’t smack the shit out of him before he ate it

[stoic gulch]

You gotta see the android saga

And what happens to goku

(He almost dies to a heart virus)

[raven terrace]

Tbf, that wasn't his fault.

[stoic gulch]

Ye

[summer ice]

Y’all ever listen to a song that has no relation to something yet with one word in it or the title you connect the dots to media you like

[raven terrace]

I swear, in dragon ball you can solve any problem with enough power.

Jiren was trapped in time and literally walked through it.

[stoic gulch]

Ye

His power literally transcends time

[summer ice]

The easiest solution to plot holes or power gaps

time bullshit

[stoic gulch]

And goku is probably twice as powerful now

[raven terrace]

UI dodges any attack with no thought. Jiren powers upand fights blow for blow with it.

[summer ice]

Guys wanna know something cool

Archie Sonic and Game Sonic are both similar in speeds

Both have around Immeasurable or Infinite Speed lol

[stoic gulch]

Oh no not Archie sonic power levels

[raven terrace]

Archie Sonic is a different level.

[stoic gulch]

Yeah Archie sonic has literally went back in time cause of his speed

[stoic gulch]

Yea

[summer ice]

Let’s bring in the chaos emeralds too

for fun

[raven terrace]

Archie prolly the only Sonic that can take Goku in a full on fight.

[stoic gulch]

He could probably beat goku in cell saga

[stoic gulch]

No not that strong

They reached light speed in cell saga

[raven terrace]

As Super Sonic he could.

[stoic gulch]

Yea

And hyper sonic if we’re counting that

[summer ice]

Super Archie Sonic would wipe dragon ball and be in a stalemate with Wally West Mobius if he didn’t use reality warping

[stoic gulch]

Nah can’t go past Buu arc

[raven terrace]

I'm glad Sonic is doing better. The movie, Frontiers, and Shadow Generation is bringing it back to full light.

[stoic gulch]

True

[summer ice]

I think it would be healthy for Goku to not get punched through all 11 dimensions throughout the mutliverse

[stoic gulch]

He can survive it

[raven terrace]

Hyper Archie could beat Buu. He's magnitudes more powerful than Super Sonic.

[stoic gulch]

In buu arc buu literally scream this way out of a dimension

[summer ice]

i said dimensions

plural

[stoic gulch]

Yeah currently it’s buu arc x almost infinity

Like it’s so absurd currently

[summer ice]

also bringing a third dimensional entity to the 11th would erase them from all conceivable minds with how advanced and the amount of dimensions it takes

[stoic gulch]

Oh you mean those kinds of dimensions

Uhhh yeah goku would survive

[summer ice]

survive but turned into missingno

[stoic gulch]

Nah just use Zeno button

[summer ice]

doesn’t exist anywhere but a void where only mistakes enter and never leave

[stoic gulch]

Yeah Zeno button it

Zeno is like the most powerful entity in anime

[summer ice]

Zeno is a third dimensional god :)

[summer ice]

there are more I could list

[stoic gulch]

4d is going past time

Jiren is 4d

Zeno has infinite power

[summer ice]

Also if you wanna bring that kinda stuff up I’ll just bring up Flumpty Dumpty

Immune to quite literally anything and can do anything

[stoic gulch]

Yeah bugs bunny stuff would beat the shit out of goku

If you’re talking about toonforce stuff

[summer ice]

We can also bring out somebody like these
Giorno Giovanna
Rimuru Tempest
Madoka
Anos
Sung Jinwoo
Featherine
Hajun
White Oni (Toriko)
Anti-Spiral

I’m not removing Giorno Giovanna cause he can revert you aggression towards him and he also just doesn’t know what GE:R does

And I despise giorno but I have to give it to him

Also Novel Kars exists

[untold oracle]

Hello lore what do we lore today

[stoic gulch]

Rimuru is not goku level

[stoic gulch]

Power levels

[summer ice]

If he understands your ability he has it
If he gets erased he’ll find a way back
If he understands your ability he also can’t be damaged by it

[summer ice]

right, I meant to say far beyond Goku’s conception of even strength

[stoic gulch]

Still

Moro is Rimuru basically

But

Goku beat him

Oh yeah scal can probably beat db goku

[manic coral]

Oh this is why I can't sleep there's Dragon Ball discussion in lore chat going on

[summer ice]

my beloved scal

putting him to shame even if it’s just db

[untold oracle]

Haii cei

[stoic gulch]

Should we stop?

We should actually

[untold oracle]

It could be moved to general talk

[stoic gulch]

Yeah

[manic coral]

I don't think you know how physics works at all

This is my takeaway here

[summer ice]

I honestly started this by talking about primordial Wyrm size

Then it went to comparing to garg levi and sea eater and then kept going

[stoic gulch]

Nah it started cause you talked about signature weapons Kevin and I said it would beat goku

[manic coral]

I don't think skelli understands how physics works either

[stoic gulch]

I don’t really

[manic coral]

clearly not given the conversation I just saw

[stoic gulch]

Understandable

[raven terrace]

POWER SCALING!?

[untold oracle]

Welcome to lore discussion

[split mortar]

Dragon ball Goku beats xeroc?

Atleast pretty sure they can

[raven terrace]

Xeroc vs early Dragon Ball Roshi would be tuff.

[split mortar]

I don’t think so
Didn’t roshi blow up the moon

[raven terrace]

He did, but he had to charge a Kamehameha.

In a head on fight, I think it would be close unless I'm missing something else-

[split mortar]

Omni calced xeroc to nowhere near moon level

Country to continent And more likely country

That was the conclusion I think

[raven terrace]

I meant like in a physical fight. Roshi has to charge the Kamehameha, so Xeroc could prolly just avoid it.

In Dragon Ball, characters energy output is often a lot higher than their actual power as seen from Piccolo fighting Raditz or Krillin and his destructo disk.

I think it would be more interesting without the Kamehameha, but then that would just be nerfing Roshi-

[scenic olive]

Roshi

Oh early roshi

Have we even seen what Xeroc is capable of other can creating boss rush

[untold oracle]

He can form a star and turn it into a black hole

[pliant ruin]

Madoka getting brought up in a powerscaling convo
Homura was right... this is the worst ending

actually that's funny to think about

madoka always gets brought up in powerscaling but homura never does for some reason lmao

[heady vapor]

Are we saying that Madoka can solo DOG

wtf autocorrect

[magic epoch]

idk how strong madoka is but also i don't think dog even scales that high

[solar wharf]

isnt madoka like

an outright god

[heady vapor]

But DOG devours gods

[solar wharf]

well, he devours a very different definiton of god

pretty sure madoka is literally like capital G god

[pliant ruin]

madoka is a CONCEPT

[solar wharf]

as in, the creator of all

[pliant ruin]

you CANNOT fight her she CANNOT fighty you she is a CONCEPT

[solar wharf]

wwtf

[pliant ruin]

can you fight GRAVITY. can you fight HUNGER.

[solar wharf]

gravity isnt a concept, it exists

its something we experience

[magic epoch]

Im pretty sure fighting hunger is a genuine saying-

[solar wharf]

same goes for hunger

[cloud ibex]

i will

[pliant ruin]

gravtiy and hungr r not physical things u can fight

[cloud ibex]

[pliant ruin]

madoka is also not a physical thing you can fight because she is a CONCEPT

GRAHHHH

[untold oracle]

For gravity, go to space
For hunger, eat

[pliant ruin]

that is not fighting those things it is simply avoiding being affected by them

[solar wharf]

gravity has everything to do with physics....

[pliant ruin]

i didnt say it dosent

[untold oracle]

Nuh uh

[pliant ruin]

but can u fight it

[magic epoch]

hunger vs the delicious apple fritter

[pliant ruin]

can u fight a physical embodiment of gravity

[solar wharf]

yeah, by going the opposite direction

you can say thats fighting it

[pliant ruin]

fight

like

[solar wharf]

resisting gravity

[pliant ruin]

beat it up

punch it

[untold oracle]

[pliant ruin]

im not talking resisting it

im saying FIGHTING it

[solar wharf]

yeah

[pliant ruin]

can u fight it goku vs frieza style

[untold oracle]

Of course

Gun

[solar wharf]

if i destroy the mass the gravity emits from it

[magic epoch]

a physical embodiment probably

[solar wharf]

i'd win

[pliant ruin]

duck im gonna kill u

u know what i mean

im killing you

[solar wharf]

I CANT

[untold oracle]

Evil cheese

[solar wharf]

does madoka not exist

or like

just lacks a physical form

which one is it

[solar wharf]

damn

well, you still can fight it, it just would be indirect

[magic epoch]

automated is hilarious

[pliant ruin]

she did it on instinct

[untold oracle]

How do you fight a universal background force

Destroy the universe

[solar wharf]

duh, its in the name

"universal"

either that, or fuck with time as a whole

if time doesnt exist, it means the universe never had a beginning

if it never has a beginning

it never existed

if it never existed, there cannot be a universal concept

[pliant ruin]

universal like

a universal collapse.

[solar wharf]

DAMN!!!!!!

[untold oracle]

‼️

Does this mean that DoG can beat her

[solar wharf]

see it all circled back

to dog vs madoka

[pliant ruin]

madoka would beat dog because dog is homophobic and shes literally like the goddess of being gay

[solar wharf]

true

[magic epoch]

i think

dog is a homophobe but like the sad kind where they're secretly gay but don't wanna get, like, made fun of for it

[untold oracle]

Yharim can sense this and that’s why he hates him (Yharim is the supreme homophobe)

[pliant ruin]

this is fitting he is pretty pathethic

fraud of gods

[sinful adder]

I saw people talking about dimensions earlier. This is a reminder that whoever came up with dimensional power scaling has such a poor understanding of how dimensions work that the entire premise doesn't work

[split mortar]

Thought it was signus who was homophobic for separating the gays

[pliant ruin]

devourer played part on it

signus was just doing his job

[untold oracle]

Hobby I’d say

[split mortar]

Don’t disrespect being self employed smh

[untold oracle]

💥

[sinful adder]

You cannot compare anything of different dimensions, any two things capable of existing and interacting in the same universe must have the same dimensions, and dimension related powers are never an innate property of the character but instead a property of the universe they exist in. There are only extremely specific exceptions to these things, which can basically never be used unless they're explicitly stated to be the case

[pliant ruin]

anyways what do you guys think of the possibility of follies being yharon offshoots given their somewhat similar coloration, bird-like appearance and the fact yharon is apparently getting red lightning attacks in future updates

[sinful adder]

I think it would make perfect sense. They're literally his descendants

[split mortar]

Eh I’m fine with it and it explains why they’re so damn fucking powerful

[pliant ruin]

yeah i believe it too

[untold oracle]

I wonder what Yharon thinks of them, since they would be extremely distant relatives in that case

[deft vessel]

Logical

[pliant ruin]

ironically it'd tie yharon somewhat to the jungle again even if just to a extent

[split mortar]

I still always fight yharon in the jungle cause I prefer it

[hoary berry]

jugnle dargon is back!!!

[pliant ruin]

honestly i think yharon would like hanging around in jungles, his "Natural" habitat per say, because he has alot of design elements of tropical birds

macaws n stuff

[split mortar]

Though I don’t think they should make yharon require the jungle for the fight

[sinful adder]

Not necessarily. Characters in the game assume offshoots are distant relatives, but this is only circumstantial. Any offspring of any auric dragon would be an offshoot once all the auric souls were used up.

[pliant ruin]

they shouldnt

[untold oracle]

Cei did say tho that Yharon never had children

[untold oracle]

Oh hai goose

[hoary berry]

yharon

[split mortar]

Shrimply too focused on killing gods

[hoary berry]

[sinful adder]

In order for the dragonfollies to not be Yharon's children, they would have to be descendants of one of Yharon's relatives, I think.

[split mortar]

Hi gokse

[pliant ruin]

If Yharon does get red lightning attacks ti'll be kinda hard to deny a connection

[split mortar]

Same species of dragon before yhar got soul

[untold oracle]

It’s just a coincidence guys!!! Literally one in an Yharillion!

[pliant ruin]

i don't think thats how it works tbh

[sinful adder]

And it seems weird for Yharon to have relatives. It would imply that there were dragons at the time of the world soul shattering that didn't receive auric souls despite being directly and closely related to the ones that did

[pliant ruin]

like i don't think there's a Yharon Species

i think there's just Yharon

[split mortar]

Follies would be the yharon species if they were offshoots would they not

[pliant ruin]

I always assumed that much like gods Dragons looked way different before obtaining their auric souls and the auric souls just deformed them

[untold oracle]

What Yharon species

There’s auric dragons

[pliant ruin]

Tbf i don't think auric dragon is a species

[gritty kraken]

“Umm guys personally I think this “world soul” might get us killed in future”

[pliant ruin]

given the immense variety

[sinful adder]

In order for something to be an offshoot, it needs an ancestor that was an auric dragon or to share a common ancestor with one. Both options are weird for the dragonfollies, unless there was another auric dragon that looked like Yharon and did have children.

[untold oracle]

Maybe auric dragons looked similar but across rebirths they mutated?

[split mortar]

Was said that the dragons mutated from domain so possible

[pliant ruin]

the way i imagine it is that there was some ancient species of either non-auric dragons or beings that would give rise to auric dragons

that turned into auric dragons after obtaining the soul

i actually like

the latter explanation more

like, dragons didn't even exist back then

auric dragons were the first after being mutated

[split mortar]

I doubt it would be a species
Prob genus or family where dragons are catagorised with how varied they are

[pliant ruin]

and non-auric dargons like pigrons or dragonfollies r just a result of their mutation affecting the physical appearance of their offspring

[pliant ruin]

nah

[split mortar]

Though I ain’t a biology chemist

[pliant ruin]

thats not what i mean

xeroc and slime god where in theory both human yeah?

they dont look anything alike

same for providence

but technically speaking

they're all human

[split mortar]

Ah fair

[pliant ruin]

the mutation just changed them massively in this headcanon, which is y they all look so different

[untold oracle]

So the whoever beings there were at first mutated from the auric souls much like gods did?

[pliant ruin]

ye

[untold oracle]

Makes sense

[pliant ruin]

though seemingly their mutation was far less chaotic than that of gods since at the very least all dragons seem to generally be reptilian

[sinful adder]

Dragons in calamity cannot be biologically related given their appearances. Their body shapes must be determined in a way that ignores biology, or supercedes it.

[pliant ruin]

which is also why i headcanon these ancient pre-dragon beings to be reptilian in some way

lihzahrds

[split mortar]

Domains do change their bodies iirc
So that’s prob why they’re so wacky and different

[pliant ruin]

in all fairness

yharon is very jungle coded.... mayan deity coded kinda...

lihzards are from the jungle and have a general orta aztec/mayan aesthethic

and yharon was one of the first dragons....

im not saying dragons descended from lihzahrds but i'm also not saying they didn't descend from lihzahrds you know..............

[split mortar]

Auric dragons and flying snakes share a common ancestor

[sinful adder]

Theory: Dragons are like monsters from Undertale. They are mostly made of magic and dust, and their biological functions are created from this basis, rather than being the underlying mechanism for their appearance

[split mortar]

You’re saying there’s a chance

[untold oracle]

Yharon watching Yharim being racist to lihzahrds :)

[pliant ruin]

I like my idea more purely bc it means dragons and gods are fundamentally the same, just with likely a slightly different ritual

which

yknow

is a very interesting narrative to pull off when you have mr "ihategodsilovedragons"

[split mortar]

Makes me wonder what differentiates them from other magic constructs then

[sinful adder]

This would require the magic mutations to create features so substantial that they ignore the need to have any biology at all

[pliant ruin]

i mean

gods

[split mortar]

And their best friend “ihategodsiamadragon”

[pliant ruin]

they're right there

look at slime god

he literally turned into a blob

so yes magic mutations to creature features so substantial they they ignore the need to have any biology at all are

very much a thing in calamity

[split mortar]

Look at providence
Yeah I think domains can do that

Maybe to not such a degree

[pliant ruin]

(also dragons are severely less outlandish than alot of the gods, from what we've seen. again, all of them seem to atleast generally reptilian)

like . they all have 1 consistent trait amongst them

[sinful adder]

Two issues with that

[pliant ruin]

gods don't even have that

i don't believe the lihzahrd part that much tbh but other than that i really like my headcanon because it creates a interesting narrative that imo makes logical sense within the universe

i think its more likely they were just some ancient species that went extinct over the years

either that or is never seen ingame

dinosaurs

[sinful adder]

1: dragons have biology which can be passed down to non magical offspring, so the features created must nonetheless be biological in nature, meaning the auric soul has to "know" how to program arbitrary new generic features from nothing

[split mortar]

Yharon is a pterodactyl confirmed????????

[sinful adder]

2: I forgot what I was going to say

[split mortar]

Lmao

[pliant ruin]

I mean it's a magic auric soul

i think it can probably do that

[sinful adder]

I think it makes more sense for the dragons to have always been weird and get weirder

Than it does for them to use normal biology

Or uh

[pliant ruin]

I mean

they don't

they're magic

[sinful adder]

I think I'm contradicting myself

[pliant ruin]

Them always being weird is just kinda laem to me tbh

[sinful adder]

I'm tired

[hoary berry]

been lurking for this whole thing thinking about if i should link this but it seems relevant so #lore-discussion message

[pliant ruin]

It means that like, yeah, dragons are fundamentally different from gods

[split mortar]

Life is a domain so maybe life is a actual idea for things to know

So auric domains don’t fuck up dragons in ways that leave them relying on magic to live?

[hoary berry]

that conversation is relevant to this one and very interesting imo

[sinful adder]

Oh right

[hoary berry]

#lore-discussion message another part of that convo that i think is also important

[pliant ruin]

I think in theory even going with my headcanon there could've been more than one ancient pre-draconic species

[sinful adder]

Ok so we know that auric dragons defy biology and their offspring don't, but retain features of their ancestors

[pliant ruin]

But the reason i don't believe taht is because uh

it'd be kinda wacky unless the ritual the dragons used was the source of the reptilian traits, because otherwise

it means multiple different unrelated reptilian being sturned into dragons

Which actually i guess further supports the dinosaur theory because there's a whole fucking lot of dinoasur species. nvm.

i'm sticking to this. auric dragons are just auric soul mutated dinosaurs.

this is fucking hilarious

[hoary berry]

rawr

steals ur auric soul

[pliant ruin]

they came long before humantiy???? guess what else did

thats right

fucking trex

fucking TRICERATOPS

[untold oracle]

And Yharon became a parrot

[pliant ruin]

FUCKING DIPLODOCUS!!

I'm dming cei this is

this is peak

[hoary berry]

troodon

[pliant ruin]

yharon is a overgrown deinonychus

[untold oracle]

I have long-forgotten my dinosaur memory

[pliant ruin]

once a dinosaur nerd always a dinosaur nerd (me

[untold oracle]

I only remember a few super specific ones like pteranodon and dunkleosteus

[pliant ruin]

FISH

[untold oracle]

Big fis

[pliant ruin]

awesome fucking fish:

[hoary berry]

i stopped being a dinosaur nerd when my book on dinosaurs vanished

to this day i don't know where it went

[pliant ruin]

GRAHHHH

[hoary berry]

beeg fish

[pliant ruin]

hes not that big tbh hes like bull shark sized but stillhes awesome

which i mean thats big

but people tend to think hes like the size of a truck or something

This guy is though

Helicoprion 🥰

beloved ratfish

[hoary berry]

still beeg fish compared to me...

[untold oracle]

I also liked quetzalcoatlus or how was it spelled

[pliant ruin]

oh hes pretty cool

bird (giant)

my favorite is hatzegopteryx though (pterosaurs have weird names!)

[hoary berry]

guh

[pliant ruin]

its closely related to quetzalcoatlus but hes like. bigger. atleast in terms of weight

hes cool bc

he lived on a island with no large dinosaur predators

[hoary berry]

the conversation about auric dragons distracted me from my revision

[pliant ruin]

so it took up a niche as the apex predator

and bc of that it got

way heavier and bulkier than any other pterosaur

tot he point when it was first dug up, paleontologists thought it was a theropod dinosaur, based on the density of the bones

also yes . it could still fly. its horrifying

[dusk laurel]

Yeah

There's just a lot of signs pointing them to being his offshoots

A big detail is that they're both feathered dragons, something which we know isn't universal

[untold oracle]

yharim the jungle tyrant

[faint plank]

the jungle... skibidy

[dusk laurel]

[untold oracle]

💥

[dusk laurel]

I'd like to imagine they're called Follies because Yharon didn't want them and kinda just left them in the jungle and pretended they never existed

[fervent palm]

jungle dragon yharon

[spring helm]

[dusk laurel]

[fervent palm]

i am .,the

[untold oracle]

Hello .,the I am Deltaw

[fervent palm]

hi

[untold oracle]

No way Yharon went to the milk store

[spring helm]

Are we ever going to find out how the crusade ended

[pliant ruin]

I mean

We sorta know already

Yharim disappeared

Went off to the aerie

Can't really have a army without a leader

[spring helm]

I meant more so for the other people in his army

[pliant ruin]

Plus, given how long it lasted

[spring helm]

Did Yharim still have followers when he left

[pliant ruin]

It probably was already dying down

People lose motivation if they do something for too long without achieving results

[spring helm]

Well this one was obvious, both Permafrost and Calamitas defected

No doubt that caused some divisions

[pliant ruin]

And Yharim was becoming less of a ideal leadership figure, as he devoted himself so much to defeating Xeroc and such that he stopped caring about his comrades, as seen with the dragon cult

So i think it was just

gradual

and yharim disappearing was like

the last drop of water

are there still groups trying to continue the crusade? yeah i'd say most definitely, it's not just gonna

magically end 100% like that

but i think it's generally probably just

unorganized small groups

[untold oracle]

I assume it’s just that the last remnants of the yharmy went rogue and pillaged stuff until it just died out and they disbanded

[split mortar]

Tbf those unorganised small groups would be busted strong compared to most people

[split mortar]

The mech bosses are still targeting gods so I don’t think the flame has run out for the last few continuing it

Also yes vanillin I am warned

[deft vessel]

What did you do

[split mortar]

Terrarian sticker

[deft vessel]

Ah yes

[light linden]

literally the basis for one of my add-on's bosses

[faint plank]

the mechs are being controlled by people?

[light linden]

deserved ngl

[split mortar]

Twas from this

[light linden]

that image got annoying real fast

[dusk laurel]

Uh, haha, lore

[split mortar]

Ah sorry

[light linden]

anyways

[untold oracle]

Well yeah but those are the super terrorists

Not the regular soldiers

[light linden]

y'all seen stip lately?

[split mortar]

And you think they need to be mech soul guys to do super terrorism?

[dusk laurel]

No, why do you ask?

[light linden]

wanted to ask them something about dragon design

[dusk laurel]

Oh yeah

Forgot about that

[split mortar]

Ah, I’m talking about the stronger ones that believe in yharims cause more

Which we know mechs weren’t the only ones since they are made of souls from groups that specialised in things

[split mortar]

Well what is the question?
Maybe it’s something other lore chatters know

[untold oracle]

Wait wtf how are you warned

Oh right

[dusk laurel]

Bypass image perms by forwarding a sticker

[split mortar]

Calamity fans do not read

[light linden]

was wondering how they'd convey magnetism in a dragon

[untold oracle]

All means are necessary to combat this issue of offtopicness…

[split mortar]

Which ain’t working…

[light linden]

tbf there ain't much to talk about until sso comes out

aside from bits of lore drops from cei, stip, and rebecca

[pliant ruin]

Offtopic is fine honestly as long as it isn't disrupting any active lore conversations and isn't going for like insanely long

its not a capital sin

atleast imo

idk im a trial mod maybe i'm like ‼️ being unprofessional but i doubt it

in my eyes its not disrupting anything or harming anyone so its not a big deal as long as its kept in check from time to time

[dusk laurel]

Nah, you're not the only one

[split mortar]

Plus there hasn’t been any major lore updates for a while so yeah the topic has been kinda drained until sso

[light linden]

my original idea was to have them be made entirely of floating pieces of metal but that feels too outlandish

[untold oracle]

I find the decision itself very unprofessional

[random mulch]

at least when the SSO is upon us we will actually have stuff to talk about

[untold oracle]

Very bs way to fix an ”issue” that

1. Doesn’t even fix it
2. Would be solved anyways via increased moderation

[split mortar]

Also what other examples of annoying images were there other then the terrarian one

Cause far as I know that was the only one

[light linden]

still find the thing that caused this whole debate kinda ridiculous

[untold oracle]

Kana moonlord I guess

[split mortar]

Kana has been banned

[untold oracle]

But that’s been gone for so long already lmfaooo

[light linden]

didn't kana threaten a raid or some bs?

[dusk laurel]

That happened after

But uh

Lore.

[split mortar]

Also just use warns since that removes perms I’m pretty sure

[light linden]

random thing btw

[untold oracle]

That doesn’t cause enough collateral damage, sorry!

[light linden]

have any of y'all ever played warframe like in depth? (yes I'm going to tie this back into lore)

[untold oracle]

No

[dusk laurel]

I've never played it

[light linden]

hmm

idk how to continue then lmao

[split mortar]

Lmao

Also I haven’t

[light linden]

y'all should

[dusk laurel]

I don't really have time to play many games rn

[split mortar]

War frame is the game where people keep on leaking classified data on stuff right?

[light linden]

that's war thunder

[split mortar]

So many wars :provg:

[dusk laurel]

[light linden]

better than war face lmao

anyways

have we ever gotten any lore about the climates of the other continents?

[untold oracle]

Uhh there’s this one continent that’s just lava iirc

[dusk laurel]

Not really

[untold oracle]

Even worse than heartlands

[dusk laurel]

Just the fucked up lava place ye

[split mortar]

iirc one of them is basically the underworld on the surface but even worse

[faint plank]

gfb cannon (real)

[split mortar]

Like it’s the only place to contend with the heartlands in hardmode

[dusk laurel]

I love firing GFBs

[light linden]

ngl

I'm genuinely surprised there isn't a doom reference in calamity

[split mortar]

Phase slayer is iirc

[dusk laurel]

Yeah

Phaseslayer is a thing

[light linden]

what's the phase slayer?

[dusk laurel]

t5 arsenal sword

[split mortar]

Melee cosmilite arsenal

[light linden]

oh that piece of garbage

[dusk laurel]

It's gonna get reworked and not be a doom reference anymore tho

The Last Mourning also counts

[light linden]

btw is the pulse rifle getting an exhumed version an actual thing?

[dusk laurel]

Yes

[light linden]

wonder how that would work magically

it ain't a magic gun

[dusk laurel]

It's range

[split mortar]

Post scal zapinator

[dusk laurel]

Each class will get 2 exhumes

Except summoner

That'll have 4 in total

Plus 1 accessory

We know the 2 planned range exhumes

[light linden]

wonder what the other ranger one is

[dusk laurel]

Pulse Rifle and Blissful Bombardier

[light linden]

what's the blissful bombardier?

[dusk laurel]

providence launcher drop

[light linden]

oh

it's getting reworked I imagine?

[dusk laurel]

Yes.

495 - Reworked Burning Revelation, Holy Collider, Blissful Bombardier, Purge Guzzler, Dazzling Stabber Staff, and Molten Amputator. - Done ✅

[light linden]

hm

oh hey omni

[wheat walrus]

How it feel realizing I kinda just carry any calamity scaling talk in this server

[light linden]

just had a question you could answer

[random mulch]

i cant wait to see what monstrosity the pulse rifle will exhume into

[split mortar]

Look at the future contents doc it has a lot

[dusk laurel]

No

[light linden]

I would but uh

my computer hates that thing

[mighty zenith]

nobody else is insane enough to talk about it

[split mortar]

Oh

[light linden]

like genuinely has crashed twice

[wheat walrus]

Clearly you guys are

[deft vessel]

A pulse that shoots rifles

[dusk laurel]

You can just check the changelogs then ig

Pulse Rifle exhume will be fully single target

Reb mentioned that, but no other details

[split mortar]

Yharim weapon not mech weapon got it

[light linden]

which calamity boss do you think primal groudon from pokemon would be on the most even footing with omni?

[light linden]

eh

[dusk laurel]

What?

[split mortar]

Weapon you use on yharim not exos

Cause exos have multiple hitboxes multi target is much more valuable

[dusk laurel]

Oh

[light linden]

did omni leave chat lmao

or not

[dusk laurel]

[light linden]

the moment I said something

[wheat walrus]

Primal Groudon destroys the verse very easily, having shaped and lifted entire continents (it got Multi-Continent calcs) + statements about how it or Primal Kyogre could have the power to stop Deoxys' world-destroying asteroid (kinetic energy calculated to be Planet I think)

[pliant ruin]

idc enough about powerscaling to think too hard about it i just eat popcorn and watch and go "Lmao fraud of gods"

[dusk laurel]

Real

[wheat walrus]

And this isn't even really getting into stuff like "ohh but he fights Necrozma"

Or smth like that

[wheat walrus]

Devourer of frauds becomes what he eats

[light linden]

tbf necrozma is a mess power scaling wise considering we never have seen it at full power

thing would give xeroc a run for his money at full power

[wheat walrus]

Full power aint relevant, we saw it eat the light out of entire dimensions I think that's enough scaling

[random mulch]

tbh i always thought that the idea of enchanting in terraria was kinda neat but that it was a bit wasted by only having it be post-scal

[light linden]

all we know about its full power is that it made inter dimensional travel possible and supposedly brought light to some dimensions

[split mortar]

Yeah I would like perma to have some enchants

[light linden]

same

[wheat walrus]

Even at the lowest end assuming the light of a single observable universe that's like Multi-Galaxy level and that's assuming dimensions ain't infinite or even just multiple

[random mulch]

maybe some for permafrost, maybe finding a way to be able to do some simple enchanting yourself

[wheat walrus]

I think that's more than enough

[pliant ruin]

agreed lol

having a entire new mechanic that will only ultimately apply to like

[dusk laurel]

Same

[pliant ruin]

1 boss at minimum, 2 at most

is

[wheat walrus]

Cool Xeroc VS Necrozma story thing would be cool ngl but if we asking scaling then Necrozma just destroys badly unless idk the 4D Calamity Scaling!!!

[untold oracle]

Make perma have it too ‼️

[light linden]

1 bosses minimum, 4 at most?

[pliant ruin]

draedon

jared

depends on if u fight exos b4 scal or not

and tbf

[light linden]

yharim is the minimum

[pliant ruin]

you could argue its

0 bosses at minimum

because you might not even fight jared

[light linden]

exo mechs and yharim at 2

[split mortar]

Or beat jared warly

[untold oracle]

Who fights scal before exos

[split mortar]

…

[pliant ruin]

a good few people fight scal before exos

[light linden]

and xeroc and noxus are the potential other 2

[pliant ruin]

theyre on the same tier

[dusk laurel]

I always fight the mechs before scal

[light linden]

I've always fought exos first

[split mortar]

I only do due to them being easier

[light linden]

I find exo mechs harder personally

[untold oracle]

Scal fight needs to be buffed and reworked so bad.,

[untold oracle]

Me too

[light linden]

you want my opinion it needs overhauled not buffed

[dusk laurel]

I wish they would rework the fight

[untold oracle]

But I still do it first because I can then use miracle matter weapons

[split mortar]

I spent hours beating it on expert for the first time

Now I beat it in two tries on rev

[light linden]

the box feels random and the bullet hells feel like they just slow the fight down

[dusk laurel]

The box is fine imo

[untold oracle]

It’s just a cheap way to add difficulty + length

[dusk laurel]

The bullet hells are uh

[untold oracle]

Box is fine tho yeah

[hoary berry]

i really enjoy the current scal fight honestly

there's no particular part i dislike

[dusk laurel]

They're really boring and not orderly in any way

[light linden]

If you want my opinion the box shouldn't be a box, it should be a ring of brimstone flames

[hoary berry]

i cannot say the same for exo mechs

[random mulch]

basically every single calamity boss feels more like a mountain of patches instead of directly fixing certain issues (or maybe the applies to calamity as a whole)

[untold oracle]

I also dislike the lack of projectiles
Scal shoots a few shots here and there that can be easily dodged by flying up and down

[light linden]

also another thing

[untold oracle]

It does not feel like I’m fighting the supreme asset of Yharim

[dusk laurel]

That's gonna happen

[light linden]

y'all know how scal has a uh

[split mortar]

I think it’s generally mid but can be much better

[light linden]

overkill desperation phase in infernum?

[split mortar]

Not overkill imo

[light linden]

kinda feel like base scal should get something like that

[pliant ruin]

calamity bosses in general could benefit from being more unique

[dusk laurel]

Yeah

[pliant ruin]

alot of them just reuse base terraria code

[split mortar]

I think this is why infernum is so liked despite it having wacky difficulty spikes

[untold oracle]

I love how infernum does scal
I see most infernum fights as cool ways to make a boss harder etc and see them as an addition, but with Scal fight I see it as how the fight should be

[pliant ruin]

desert scourge benefits alot from the improved AI and visuals its gotten/getting

like

[hoary cape]

Aren't they working on fixing some of the bosses to have more unique AI

[light linden]

hell my idea is to have her basically pull a marvel rivals scarlet witch and just evaporate you if you don't get out of the area of a specific attack

[pliant ruin]

the sand coming from when it gets out of the ground

[dusk laurel]

I love DS now

[pliant ruin]

and the overall smoother movement

tbh

another thing cal bosses

really could benefit from

[dusk laurel]

Especially since all of the changes its getting

[pliant ruin]

is better visuals

and not like

sprite wise, i mean, tho ofc also that

[light linden]

ngl I have two big issues with infernum

[pliant ruin]

i mean graphic effects and stuff

[dusk laurel]

Yeah

They're working on that

[pliant ruin]

have you noticed how much Better DS feels just from the graphic effects it got like the sand bursts

[hoary cape]

My crabulon slams, but they have stuff coming off of them

[light linden]

the cal clone replacement having forced debuffs genuinely is horrid and how it disables building in some areas

[split mortar]

Yeah I do think infernum scal is amazing

[pliant ruin]

Crabulon in general is one of the worst bosses i think

from a technical standpoint

[light linden]

I liked infernum crabulon

[pliant ruin]

it's really really barebones

[light linden]

found it more fun than base crabulon

[hoary cape]

Well it's got a rework in SSO2 at least

[pliant ruin]

cool looking sprites don't do much if a boss has bad visual effects and uninteresting AI, as seen by current crabulon tbh

cuz the sprite ain't even bad

[untold oracle]

I feel like Scal should have some crazy obliteration death attack as a desperation phase (not necessarily a deathray nor how infernum does it tho)

[random mulch]

exo mechs already have deathrays covered

[dusk laurel]

Infernum trying not to make every post-ML boss have a deathray

[hoary cape]

Challenge impossible?

[light linden]

ngl

[dusk laurel]

Yes I know not all of them do

[pliant ruin]

dosent dragonfolly get a deathray in infernum...

[hoary berry]

calshadow's hexes are genuinely so controversial i find it so funny

[rotund shore]

hello lorers

[pliant ruin]

😭

[hoary cape]

I thought you said losers for a sec

[untold oracle]

One thing I dislike about infernum is that how almost all significant worm bosses do the same thing of ram dash ram dash ram dash

[random mulch]

calclone should be obliterated to fix a bit of the overcrowding

[light linden]

the idea is good but they are too harsh to be forced imo

[hoary berry]

not really?

[dusk laurel]

I think SCal should get a flamethrower rather than a deathray

[pliant ruin]

i dont like calclone

most pointless boss ever

genuinely 0 reason for it to exist. its a relic of the past.

[hoary cape]

Cal clone is being redone eventually also hopefully

[dusk laurel]

CalClone should die yeah

[rotund shore]

for how objectively bad of a boss calclone is, I kind of like it

[pliant ruin]

its not even becasue of the lore or the boss fight or the outdated sprite that i dislike calclone

its

[hoary berry]

it has more lightning attacks than just the basecal projectiles but, unless i'm forgetting something, there is no deathray

[pliant ruin]

the concept itself

its pointless

[light linden]

ngl

[pliant ruin]

it has no reason to exist

[random mulch]

it's literally just calamitas but less

[light linden]

I like the weapons from cal clone too much to agree

[pliant ruin]

just make them be obtained some other way

[light linden]

random thing btw speaking of death rays

[random mulch]

the weapons dont have to be removed, they can be rethemed and moved elsewhere

[light linden]

y'all ever seen the kirby bosses that combine portals with their laser attacks to catch players off guard?

[pliant ruin]

calclone is

• at a point of the game that has too much bosses
• dosent contribute by being relevant to some biome or other point of interest that is lacking in bosses or content
• i imagine caused lore writers more of a headache than anything

• is also literally just a weaker version of a endgame boss

[random mulch]

the lore isnt even anything interesting really

[light linden]

I feel like that should be a thing that some bosses do

[dusk laurel]

And there's already a Brimstone boss basically right before it

[random mulch]

it just kinda exists

it's draedon's hobby project without it being anything significant

[mighty zenith]

||magolor soul?||

i think thats what he did at least

[light linden]

base magolor does it too iirc

[hoary cape]

There are like 4 bosses that just don't really need to exist

[light linden]

except he is the projectile

[pliant ruin]

the only venue of lore with calclone that i think is interesting is calamitas's reaction to it

but if a boss's existence is only interesting in terms of lore

[light linden]

ngl

[pliant ruin]

based on what another character does to them

then i think that boss isn't very interesting

[random mulch]

at least brimstone elemental has direct ties to azafure and will grant access to the inner city in the BCO

[light linden]

I've always found it odd how the brimstone elemental and scal are so far apart in terms of power

[pliant ruin]

brimstone elemental ahs Reasons to exist

• boss for the brimstone crags, a biome otherwise without bosses
• actual impact on the lore, major at that, and relevant to the overall worldbuilding of calamity

calclone just dosen't

[untold oracle]

I just find the character of calclone interesting, but it’s pointless in almost every other way

[dusk laurel]

Yeah I completely agree

[light linden]

random thing btw while we're talking about bosses

[pliant ruin]

you could remove calclone and nothing would change

[light linden]

ngl

[pliant ruin]

single most pointless boss in calamity and nobody can convince me otherwise

[light linden]

I hate where astrum deus is in terms of progression

[pliant ruin]

me too

[dusk laurel]

Same

[pliant ruin]

move it post ml! thanks awesome

[light linden]

personally

[mighty zenith]

its an INTERESTING spot

but not a good spot

[untold oracle]

Post-cultist pre-ml is so weird

[hoary berry]

i'm indifferent to deus' placement i think

maybe just because i'm used to it

[pliant ruin]

there's already

a hardmode astral infection bos

[light linden]

I think it should be moved to immediately post ml and have galactica singularities locked behind it

[rotund shore]

anything between cultist and ml is so awkward

[random mulch]

i like that idea

[pliant ruin]

why are Both of the astral bosses

in ahrdmode

[untold oracle]

There

Amazing

[pliant ruin]

also yeah i like this

this was my idea too

itas as shrimple as that

[dusk laurel]

Based idea

[hoary berry]

try not to forget about bereft vassal challenge (impossible)

[untold oracle]

Also fixes galactica singularities’ bloat allegations

[rotund shore]

galactica singularities are so confusing for me rn

[light linden]

would give the moon lord weapons just a pinch of time to shine as well

[rotund shore]

like, what is the purpose

[dusk laurel]

Galactica won't even be used for the Elemental weapons anymore 😭

Like it has barely any purpose

[rotund shore]

they arent gotten in an interesting way, they;re just...there

[hoary berry]

cosmic rainbow buffed to post-ml

[pliant ruin]

i think another boss that is kinda pointless is storm weaver but not as much as calclone i just think it's sort of meh

it atleast gives a boss to space

that's cool

idk just. another post ml worm boss. wow

[random mulch]

i could see stormweaver being reduced to a miniboss or smth

maybe for that big sky island that's getting added

[pliant ruin]

probably too relevant narratively to do that idk

[rotund shore]

run of kos bosses already feel like minibosses

[light linden]

also the argument against it being moved to post-ml is it not being a god but like

[pliant ruin]

i think storm weaver could be cool

[light linden]

that's part of its lore

[untold oracle]

What I do is just summon it in space and instantly fly down to my arena on surface :P

[pliant ruin]

its nowhere near as offensively pointless as calclone

juts kinda mid

again, atleast it gives a boss to space/sky

that's unique enough in of itself

[dusk laurel]

A Folly feeding frenzy event please

[pliant ruin]

(could also justify more sky island content post ml)

[light linden]

is that it's worshipped as a god of the night sky despite not having a god soul

[dusk laurel]

The Jungle already has enough bosses

[light linden]

although I can't lie

[pliant ruin]

also yeah folly is really pointless as a boss

but as a event?

peak

[light linden]

the concept of the astral infection overtaking a god would be cool

[rotund shore]

if we got a dragonfolly event, makes the song name murderswarm more fitting lmao

[pliant ruin]

i don't think anyone would complain about

[light linden]

makes no damn sense but would be cool