lore-discussion

[stoic gulch]

I can’t live without this

True

[stark basalt]

is the witch doctor related to the profaned gaurdians? Because she just said something along the lines of "I wonder what my relatives are doing, last time I checked they were too busy praising the Sun, I think."

[pliant ruin]

Profaned things arent related to the sun

old lore

[split mortar]

Witch doctor is a lihzahrd and in vanilla they praise the actual sun

And in calamity they praise the suns heat or something

[gritty kraken]

Praising sun underground sound right

[split mortar]

Too many bees in the jungle or something and allergy’s

[real silo]

the sun's heat gives life to plants
plants get eaten by animals
animals give off heat
animal heat is sun heat

jungle is full of both plants and animals

it all makes sense

[faint plank]

wouldnt the sun heat just be mana in a way

[split mortar]

Persmaps

[gritty dawn]

Yes

[untold oracle]

PL =/= mana iirc

[light linden]

Random thing

Do we know if Cryonic is cold to the touch?

[untold oracle]

I mean I highly assume it is

Why would it not be

[light linden]

I can't think of a reason but I'm tryna write some stuff

So I'm trying to cover my bases

[frozen zodiac]

i mean frostburn is a debuff

[light linden]

Ngl though

I wonder what the melting point for Cryonic is

If it even can be melted

[random mulch]

life alloy is made by simply putting the 3 bars on top of eachother and dropping an anvil on it

[light linden]

I mean

2 of the 3 ores are magical

I'm not sure how forging magical metals works

Hell I wonder if Scoria is hot enough to melt the Cryonic

[random mulch]

scoria using perennial as fuel to melt cryonic

[light linden]

It's possible

Actually

I wonder if Cryonic has a low melting point in general

[split mortar]

We melt the Cryonic into bars tbf

[split mortar]

Perhaps

[light linden]

Since it's supposed to be tied to cryomancy

[untold oracle]

It can withstand scoria it seems

[split mortar]

Is scoria hotter then hellstone though

[light linden]

That might mean the difficulty in forging with Cryonic isn't finding a hot enough fire but controlling the temperature well enough

[light linden]

Maybe?

Scoria can cause explosions iirc

[bronze tulip]

I have a question: Is Calamitas's surname "Cadmia"? I learned recently that in alchemy, there's five types of cadmia(Latin for cadmium) including one called "calamitis" that would form around iron stirring rods

[split mortar]

Calamitas isn’t her true name it’s just a monicker and we don’t know her true name

Though perhaps it is but I doubt we will ever know

[bronze tulip]

Ah yes, the Brimstone Bitch won't tell even the Gods her name smh

[random mulch]

what do the gods even have to do with this

[bronze tulip]

I meant the devs but yeah good point 🤔

We need to find her true name though

[split mortar]

Cal npcs will get a dialogue system in the next major update so if not then, probably won’t

[bronze tulip]

Flood the suggestion gates! This is might be our only chance to get some lore answered! /j

[bronze tulip]

And to answer this, no, Scoria is only hot because it's near thermal vents, hellstone is basically the mineral manifestation of the term "white-hot"

[dusk laurel]

There's really no reason to, since I doubt it'll have any importance other than seeing what Azafurian naming conventions were like, we don't even know Yharim's true name and he's like way more known

[bronze tulip]

But it would be fun fun to figure out, yeah?

[split mortar]

We know nothing of yharim before he fell in lava other then he was destined to become god king and refused

[glacial rampart]

clearly azafurians were given 6 letter first names and 6 letter last names

[split mortar]

Or like, headcanon it

[dusk laurel]

So very true

[bronze tulip]

I'm not creative enough to headcanon stuff though T.T

[split mortar]

Then grab someone else’s headcanon and run with it when you see one you like

[bronze tulip]

I'm not active in this community man, so I got nothing other than the obvious misspelled Latin names I could go with...

[glacial rampart]

maybe something crazy like.. Calami Tassi ..

[bronze tulip]

After many a flowcharting, I've come to the conclusion that Azafurian is off-brand Latin, and that Calamitas is Cadamya Reylgho

And now that I have a base to build on, time to learn more Latin and build on this

[calm patio]

youll find out in 10 fargo years.

[stuck shore]

Who obtained the auric souls of Gluttony and Sacrifice?

Also what dragon did Tyrian get the soul from?

[deft vessel]

SG got gluttony and god of sacrifices has the soul of sacrifices

[hybrid barn]

Out of curiosity, didn't the god of sacrifices have the soul of death?

[cosmic zenith]

And Azafurian naming conventions are probably gonna show up through other names ;)

Afaik

Yes, it was the soul of Death

[deft vessel]

Yea

[cosmic zenith]

You know
I came up with some Azafurian nicknames for the Cascade addon a while back
It's not an official stance on the matter, but I personally went with a mix of Latin and Spanish inspirations

Following "Azafure" being a Spanish-inspired name, and Latin being a popular language for spells in writing

1️⃣ Zoticus (meaning "lively")
2️⃣ Rufantes (from "rufus", "red-haired")
3️⃣ Ruffanos (from "rufus", "red-haired")
4️⃣ Cinnados (from Cinnabar, a red mineral)
5️⃣ Vitanna (from "vita", "life")

It's about finding a balance between inspirations/symbolism, readability and context

It helps that my native language stems from Latin, so making names with it as inspiration is pretty intuitive

[glacial rampart]

actually azafurians have gray skin and horns hmmmm,,,

hmmmstuck,,,

[frail hearth]

do the other gods have sigils like xeroc does?

[frail hearth]

I know what you are

[pliant ruin]

xeroc dosen't have a sigil specifically

it's the primordial light sigil

[frail hearth]

aaaaa ok :0

is there like another force like the primordial light that would have one or is it a bit of a special case?

like can gods just do that with their respective auric souls

[pliant ruin]

primordial light in of itself isn't tied to xeroc at a fundamental level, it already existed prior and will still exist after him, so it isn't really smth directly associated with gods

nothing stopping other thingies from having sigils too though, would be surprised if large factions like the profaned cultists or the onyx kinsmen didn't have something of the sorts

[frail hearth]

yeyea tha's where my brain's going

some sorta magical glowey symbol type gender to show like affiliation

[wheat walrus]

Fab still referred to it as xeroc sigil in a patchnote earlier this year tho

[frail hearth]

they nommed the dragon of light soul right?

so like maybe each dragon of X has a sigil associated with their respective thing.

...not to bring it back to homestuck x_x;

[wheat walrus]

Homestuck when shelterfree

[frail hearth]

that's a good question.

been meaning to catch up with homestuck^2... but things have sorta been rocky since mid-act 6 for that story >_>;

[ruby heart]

the frost dragon thing is real

and i consulted with the writters and other developers before talking about it (ozzatron, rebbeca, venus etc)

it was just cei being confused

[frail hearth]

frost dragon you say?

[ruby heart]

mega mammoth

[frail hearth]

that's another thing like do we have a list anywhere of like confirmed dragons?

[ruby heart]

i never said he created the tundra too, idk who decided on that

🥹

[frail hearth]

the tundra was permafrost right?

[ruby heart]

and the curse i explicitely said is more of a what if, urban legend due to the pigrons and fishrons being so diferent from him

[frail hearth]

i vaugely remember reading that in the lore doc yesterady

[ruby heart]

but it will be more explored on my addon (which isnt part of calamity lore)

[dusk laurel]

No

Perma just enhanced the state it was already in

[frail hearth]

ahh right

the document's dense. ;0;

I was skimming it yesterday for silva stuff

[pliant ruin]

idk if u dev people do already but

i recommend always discussing things in text chats openly

[dusk laurel]

Vetrasyl [storms], Zeratros [Light], Yharon [rebirth], Frost, Death, Life, Flame, Gravity, Gluttony are the ones I remember

[pliant ruin]

cuz i can confirm discussing them in vcs is a formula for disaster

[frail hearth]

so like... since yharon can come back to life, and silva's heavily implied to not have technically died,

how does one kill a dragon of death?

or like was it dead to start with?

[pliant ruin]

stabbing it with a large stick

[frail hearth]

i mean historically this has worked but still

[dusk laurel]

The death dragon had a death aura

[frail hearth]

maybe it's more a reaper figure who ussured things to the afterlife rather than like being the guy who's power is death

[dusk laurel]

You had to attack from afar

[frail hearth]

why is my brain going to princess mononoke?

does the death dragon kinda work like the forest spirit once it was beheaded?

[tall delta]

iirc it was a theory people here made

[dusk laurel]

Death dragon was the latter

[tall delta]

death dragon just stinks really bad

[frail hearth]

aw man that's a lil lame ;0;

[dusk laurel]

The domains of auric souls are just things that the dragons can control

[frail hearth]

so why dosen't the death dragon just like

take a bath or something

get rid of it's death aura that kills people

[dusk laurel]

It couldn't help it

[frail hearth]

that's gotta suck. ;0;

imagine not being able to go to the sick as dragon function because going would kill everyone

[pliant ruin]

being a reaper figure wouldn't work well because dragons aren't really fundamental parts of existence

they're just really strong

[frail hearth]

ah i see

would be cool tho

[dusk laurel]

Elementals are just that

Unfortunately for you, there is no death elemental

Only Silva

[pliant ruin]

evil silva be like

[frail hearth]

i wonder if like part of her's still concious

[ruby heart]

and i do

i hardly talk about stuff in vc

[pliant ruin]

trhat's good 2 hear

[dusk laurel]

YuH

[ruby heart]

i just cant do a @ everyone

[pliant ruin]

i hoped that was the case but ive heard passing mentions of stuff being discussed in vc before so i figured it was worth saying

[ruby heart]

for every concept i make in dev server

i talk with the active users

[sinful adder]

Silva is completely alive, just weakened

Well, her body is also destroyed

But elementals can just make new bodies

[frail hearth]

that's what i'm sayin

[pliant ruin]

silva will come back in likwe idk 30 years or something

i made that number up dont take it as anything

[frail hearth]

like her body was destroyed, but like were her memories in her brain that was also destoryed or can she remember stuff cussa dragon magic?

[light linden]

Y'all think silva would be mad at us for looting the abyss?

[pliant ruin]

well since her soul is still intact then i imagine probably

[dusk laurel]

No

[pliant ruin]

She explicitly let us do it so probably not

Would be kinda hypocritical if she did

[tall delta]

the evil elemental theory

[frail hearth]

what was silva the elemental of again?

[sinful adder]

She can remember things just fine because she's magic and her memories aren't in a physical brain

[dusk laurel]

The thought of Silva being really annoying to the other elementals is still a funny thought to me

[frail hearth]

sorry i forgot ;0;

[light linden]

she let us loot some things

[tall delta]

nature

[frail hearth]

...arne't all of them nature themed? >_>;

[tall delta]

no

[pliant ruin]

fire, earth, wind, water, nature

[frail hearth]

or is she more like greenery nature than like nature in general nature?

[tall delta]

nature in like plants

[frail hearth]

yeyea that makes sense :0

[dusk laurel]

This is my only explanation for why Anahita dipped from the Abyss the moment Silva was dumped there for the 2nd time

She couldn't handle living with Silva again

[frail hearth]

it's a lil silly yea

[pliant ruin]

anahita is just a hater

[dusk laurel]

Oh yeah, isn't Brimmy gonna get an actual name like Silva and Anahita with the Crags Overhaul

[hoary cape]

I thought I saw something at one point saying she would, but maybe I am just making that up

I may have gaslit myself into thinking that's true

[cloud ibex]

i also like the idea of all the other elementals finding silva to be obnoxiously happy at all times

[frozen zodiac]

"I blame thou not for the harvest of resources in the depths I watch over. Whether thine journey throughout these lands ends in tragedy or triumph, I shall simply continue my duties until I am able once again of restoring my corporeal form."
does that sound right

[mighty zenith]

👍

[lament jetty]

Silva Total Calamity Artwork

[frozen zodiac]

honestly i would love to see how draedon works on creating everything he has like, in universe
i get that he's supposed to be this mysterious entity but i just cant shake that feeling of wanting to know more about him

[magic epoch]

Draedon toilet

Exo shitter

[frozen zodiac]

why did you have to say this

[sinful adder]

Skibidi exo toilet

It's canon because of that one time Draedon was on Twitter

[light linden]

been wondering

is exotic resonance hot?

or is it just extremely radioactive?

[sinful adder]

Things that are extremely radioactive also become hot

Basically all forms of energy moving in any way produces heat as a byproduct

So I think we can assume exotic Resonance is hot

[stoic gulch]

Are there more elementals then the in game ones and Silva

[split mortar]

There’s only the ones we come across as far as I know

Though sand and cloud are in many bodies so that counts?

[stoic gulch]

Ah

Thank you for the info at least

[light linden]

Ngl the more and more I think about metals that are tied to a specific element the more my brain hurts

Like how the hell do you melt something that is made of lava

[random mulch]

lava is just liquid rock like how water is just liquid ice, if something is made of lava it's made of rock

[light linden]

And would Cryonic be harder or easier to melt because it's naturally cold?

[stoic gulch]

Harder because it use adamantite forge

Or I’m wrong and I should go to the eels

[sinful adder]

It isn't made of lava, it is full of heat magic

[light linden]

Is Auric a good conductor of electricity or would the lightning emanating from it interfere with it?

[sinful adder]

I think it would be a good conductor

[stoic gulch]

Is there stuff about magic in the lore doc

[light linden]

Hellstone literally drops lava when mined

[stoic gulch]

Fire magic that enclose lava

Idk if that is the word but yeah

https://tenor.com/view/cat-uranium-silly-goober-meme-gif-2219317812207695952

Oh yeah

:((

[random mulch]

maybe the thing that makes hellstone special keeps it from liquefying and the pieces you break off while mining immediately melt

[stoic gulch]

Then it would immediately go into lava if you touch it

[light linden]

Hell even then is the Auric normally attuned to lightning?

We've only seen (to my knowledge) two confirmed examples of Auric and they're both related to Yharon

Would the element change based on the soul that worked it?

[untold oracle]

I imagine it generates electricity upon rejection and it can be used as a power source if the energy is weakened enough

Would it be cool to generate barriers of auric voltage that rejects all incoming projectiles…

[light linden]

I just realized that I devolved into rambling

It's 4am, I need to sleep

[snow mountain]

i think the silva theme park should exist instead of the abyss

[split mortar]

Or the abyss is her theme park and she just sucks at planning and construction pesmaps ?

[snow mountain]

i think the abyss should have a tesco express there

[devout grotto]

Ok while cleaning up in preparation for New Year's celebrations, a possibility of my Terrarian's past life popped up

[snow mountain]

landlord...

[devout grotto]

PLS

Anyway

Maybe they could've been a high-ranking Godseeker Knight who's lost their memories

Who like, ended up in some grave accident which made them end up that way

[snow mountain]

is this why they are so evil?

[pliant ruin]

hewwo

[devout grotto]

Eh my Terrarian isn't evil

👋🏼

[devout grotto]

They probably won't even remember who Yharim is to them

[snow mountain]

landlord...

[devout grotto]

Nor what they did

[devout grotto]

They're not a landlord in my story 😭

They'd help reconstruct the village they ended up in yeah but idt they'd meddle too much with the villagers

[pliant ruin]

what r we talking about

[devout grotto]

Just a possible backstory for my Terrarian :O

[pliant ruin]

my terrarian was rly sleepy so she went for a nap

thts her backstory

[devout grotto]

Eepy

[snow mountain]

SLEEPING MAKES PEOPLE LANDLORDS???

i mustn't sleep

[mighty zenith]

[pliant ruin]

i'm not a landlord

i'm cheese

[split mortar]

Sleeping turns people into cheese got it

[stoic gulch]

Hollow knight reference…

[devout grotto]

I never played it alshdhdg

[stoic gulch]

To the eels

[split mortar]

PLAY IT NOW

-# jk if you don’t want to you don’t have to

[stoic gulch]

ITS ONLY LIKE 20$

tho play it if you want

[devout grotto]

ONLY US$20???? 😭😭😭😭

[untold oracle]

Sales pitch in my lore discussion

[hoary berry]

Buy now at half price!

oh hey a hollow knight animatic came on in my playlist as soon as i sent that message

do we have a name for the dragon of gravity?

ik god of space is called shakidou

[untold oracle]

Estelle

[hoary berry]

reign of e

this is now canon

no one can stop me

[faint plank]

-# sigmelle

[split mortar]

Making you the bald cat but balder

[hoary berry]

[stoic gulch]

Noooooo

Boooo

[wheat walrus]

forknight>

yo wtf

exo mechs leak on youtube

https://youtu.be/LLFhKaqnWwk?si=e8pz23ftxvgDG5n6

[hoary berry]

go my void server

wow that's so cool and awesome

what a crazy leak

[random mulch]

imagine needing an exo mechs leak (vod's still up)

[wheat walrus]

this is a private one though

[random mulch]

it was shown yesterday there isnt anything new

[hoary berry]

no trust me it's worth clicking on the link

[mighty zenith]

banned for all eternity

[random mulch]

let me take a guess

[wheat walrus]

there is dude, there was a secret part :/

[random mulch]

based on garbo's reaction it's a rickroll or smth

[wheat walrus]

being in CAU, I know that

[wheat walrus]

no what

[hoary berry]

yeah i posted it in a void server as soon as i saw it

[wheat walrus]

fuck you

[hoary berry]

can't trust anything omni posts...

not after you disguised a rick roll (or something equally silly) as the lore doc link

[wheat walrus]

what???

I never did that

[hoary berry]

i could swear you did in sscls general

[wheat walrus]

wdym

[hoary berry]

you post so many gifs that has:link isn't even all that useful to find it...

[wheat walrus]

silly stpuid...

I never did that :/

[split mortar]

You hid something as rickroll I’m pretty sure

[wheat walrus]

no :/

[untold oracle]

Can we throw rocks at omni

[hoary berry]

#1264760793510055957 message

omni

read that conversation

[split mortar]

Lmao

[hoary berry]

you literally admitted to planning this...

or something similar, at least

[untold oracle]

Screenshot it before it gets deleted

[wheat walrus]

shut the fuck up people outside of these lands won't see it

[split mortar]

For those not in sscls

[wheat walrus]

yall party crashers smh :/

[split mortar]

Wait it doesn’t show the rickroll embed

Lmao

[wheat walrus]

it doesn't even embed LMAO

[pliant ruin]

#epic

[hoary berry]

#1281541357785059330 message
further evidence of your experimenting with disguising yt links as the lore doc link...

[untold oracle]

Hai cheese

[wheat walrus]

no one will see it

[hoary berry]

still good enough for me

[pliant ruin]

hewwo

[wheat walrus]

besides yall boring nerds :/ dont even like pranks

[pliant ruin]

ive killed a man with my thumb

[split mortar]

I don’t mind it no harm can really pop up from rickroll

[wheat walrus]

anyways here's an extended version of br4 since that shit goes hard https://youtu.be/AuKR2fQbMBk?si=6jCz_QzUURnxRi-Q

[untold oracle]

Cool?

[dusk laurel]

Hihi

[hoary berry]

[pliant ruin]

haiii

[pliant ruin]

i got it wrong

wrong reply

[pliant ruin]

i got ti wrong it's "i killed a man with this thumb" not "my thumb"

[hoary berry]

have not progressed on this but the xeroc entry is progressing well

or

one of the xeroc entrie

s

i have an idea for another titled 'How to Kill Your Best Friend'

which is probably gonna be sad as shit

[split mortar]

This started from how to kill a god to that :(

[untold oracle]

Wwawhat who is that for

Yharon?

[hoary berry]

xeroc and zeratros

[untold oracle]

Oh

Yeah

[hoary berry]

because unless xeroc does turn out to be an utter piece of shit (doubtful) i will not be convinced that xeroc wasn't at least a little bit heartbroken over their ascension

[untold oracle]

I still think they both agreed that the ritual is the only way to save the domain

[hoary berry]

i'm of the belief that it was an agreed upon thing, but i'm don't think either of them were at all pleased by the fact that it was deemed necessary

[untold oracle]

Yea

[trim edge]

could zeratros have expected everyone copying xeroc leading to the dragon genocide

[untold oracle]

Probably not

[pliant ruin]

Unless my guy had future vision most likely not i dont think

dragon of time real

[split mortar]

Considering gravity became space, I’d say there’s a chance shakedown could have became god of time

[untold oracle]

Shakedown, my favourite god.

[split mortar]

Fuck
Sake

[hoary berry]

this is a bit dark, but even if zeratros was fully aware of what might follow xeroc's ascension (the genocide)...
the world was undeniably at risk without zeratros being able to defend it—even with him, in fact, as demonstrated by the moon lord
and between the dragons being killed and the entire world falling to another external threat
i think the former, no matter how heartbreaking, is the better ending, because it enables xeroc to protect everyone else
but yeah zeratros probably couldn't have really been certain that shit would go down as it did

[split mortar]

New device and autocorrect still beating my ass

Zeratros should have just used the sun smh my head

[hoary berry]

i wonder how silva's control of life (whatever that actually entails) from being an elemental would have been affected if she didn't get a perfect ascension and the domain changed

[stoic gulch]

What was old moon lord

Like before he got weak

Was he a god or just an entity

[mighty zenith]

alien

[stoic gulch]

Just alien?

[split mortar]

Some alien

[pliant ruin]

creature

[stoic gulch]

Huh

[split mortar]

We will learn more in sso

[pliant ruin]

not a god because gods didn't even exist

[mighty zenith]

we dont know what the fuck he was or where he came from

[pliant ruin]

xeroc was the first

[stoic gulch]

False god

💯

[split mortar]

As far as we know

Alien that nuked dragons

And that’s it so far basically

[pliant ruin]

I mean

you could argue the Gods are False Gods tbh

[stoic gulch]

I mean like Deus false god

[pliant ruin]

there aren't any major groups that worship ML as far as we know

[mighty zenith]

what does "false god" even mean

how do you classify something as a false god

[pliant ruin]

yeah it isn't really a proper classification

it's just

deus is worshipped as a religious figure

much like how many animals irl are religious icons

like cows in some buddhist (correct me if im wrong) groups

[split mortar]

Someone being called a god without being a god (absorbed auric soul)

[stoic gulch]

I think it’s Hinduism?

But yeah

[pliant ruin]

Might be yeah

[mighty zenith]

then you cant rly call moon lord that

since as far as we know nobody worshipped it

[cosmic zenith]

Dragon of Foresight.....

[cosmic zenith]

🔥

[pliant ruin]

shakedown

the god of uhhh

yeah

[hoary berry]

god of robbery

[pliant ruin]

god of being silly online (me)

[split mortar]

[split mortar]

No you’re being cheese

[pliant ruin]

i am cheese and i am the queen of the grasslands and the goddess of being silly online

[split mortar]

And a canine

[pliant ruin]

:(

[hoary berry]

cheese r

[untold oracle]

How can you be that when I’m right here

[hoary berry]

n

i would like to murder my enter key

and replace it with a button in the ui

[dusk laurel]

Searing you on rocks

[split mortar]

Eel pits all of you

[hoary berry]

i wonder what xeroc did shortly after their ascension

[mighty zenith]

probably freak the fuck out

[split mortar]

[mighty zenith]

either internally or externally

[split mortar]

They did that

[hoary berry]

yeah

i more so meant

[hoary cape]

Xeroc probably started dancing because he had powers

[hoary berry]

before they decided to start being on the lookout for alien threats

or well

before they became their main task

[pliant ruin]

i imagine they just sorta explored the world for a bit

[faint plank]

fortnite

[pliant ruin]

fuck around and find out what their powers do

and then after some time

[dusk laurel]

YuH

[pliant ruin]

start training

[split mortar]

Accidentally level a mountain or some shit idk

[untold oracle]

They baked cookies

[hoary berry]

i'm also thinking about how long it actually took for them to dedicate themselves to protecting terraria from external threats

[pliant ruin]

I imagine that was the goal from the getgo

[untold oracle]

Xeroc’s perfect cooking class

[hoary berry]

if i can decide on a time frame that seems reasonable then i can work that into their shared god of space entry

[hoary berry]

i agree, but i mean when they stopped doing much of anything else

[pliant ruin]

oh yeah fair

[hoary berry]

comparatively, at least

[pliant ruin]

maybe after finding out abt ceaseless or the devourer?

because then they'd be alerted to like

[hoary berry]

i imagine they still visit some places on the surface from time to time even now

[pliant ruin]

oh shit they're making their moves already

[split mortar]

Weaver wasn’t around by then and they’re older then dog

[hoary cape]

Yharim: sees xeroc baking cookies
Also yharim: sorry this violates the law time to die

[untold oracle]

I imagine they observe

You could catch a glimpse of them in the sun if you’re quick enough

[hoary berry]

i was thinking about how there are probably some shrines or graves dedicated to dead auric dragons that were revered by specific people

specifically ones not on the aerie

[hoary cape]

Slime god can't bake cookies

[hoary berry]

and how xeroc might visit them from time to time if they knew the dragon personally

''personally'' because i doubt they had actually met all of the auric dragons

feels like there'd just be too many of them

[pliant ruin]

the dragon of deodorant

[hoary berry]

maybe seen all of them

but never actually interacted with them

[pliant ruin]

but yeah i can see that

it'd be cool

[cloud ibex]

that's what i imagine too

[mighty zenith]

dragon of choese

[hoary berry]

dragon of limbus (deranged)

[dusk laurel]

YuH

[pliant ruin]

me

im the dragon of limbus

[untold oracle]

I imagine it would go like
Dragon of Hygiene -> God of Deodorant

[mighty zenith]

dragon of ligmus

[untold oracle]

God of Steve Jobs

[dusk laurel]

dragon of ruined libraries

[hoary berry]

i'm having fun coming up with headcanons about the god of space

since we know so little of them

[split mortar]

Dragon of limbus

[hoary berry]

name, domain, dragon, pronouns, strength relative to the main cast

that's it i think

[faint plank]

auric soul of those who know

[untold oracle]

God of Company

[hoary berry]

[dusk laurel]

Killing you

[split mortar]

[untold oracle]

God of Mango

[faint plank]

you get it

[hoary berry]

specifically just because saying they're an alien who arrived before the fovos invasion opens up so many possibilities

[untold oracle]

Is that alien thing headcanon or confirmed?

[split mortar]

Headcan

[dusk laurel]

non

Head cannons

Do you shoot people with it

[untold oracle]

Peashooter

[faint plank]

💥

[mighty zenith]

isnt that they guy who helped develop sonic mania

[dusk laurel]

Whar

[mighty zenith]

oh its a game engine

[hoary berry]

like them leading an army against fovos in place of some dragons who were already wounded or otherwise incapacitated

(and everyone in that army but them dying

(and stumbling upon their impromptu graveyard decades later while being hunted by xeroc

[untold oracle]

What is Yharim’s favourite dish

[hoary berry]

something beelicious

(has honey

[cosmic minnow]

Probably something with a lot of cooked or grilled meat

I bet he’d enjoy schnitzel

[eager bluff]

the potato pizza

[fresh brook]

Chicken nuggets

Just takes bites out of yharon when he's hungry

[magic epoch]

Calamitas, the Fuck

(title, not question directed to the person named Calamitas)

[split mortar]

Calamitas is not named Calamitas and therefore can still be directed at her

Throwing rocks at you for rudeness against calamitas

[stoic gulch]

May I join

[split mortar]

Weird request
I shall throw rocks at both of you

[stoic gulch]

I mean may I throw rocks at them for insulting calamitas

[magic epoch]

🛡️

I didn't insult her!!!

[stoic gulch]

I don’t have any rocks so I have to ask for rocks

[split mortar]

🪨

[stoic gulch]

Hell yeah

[split mortar]

🪨

🪨

[magic epoch]

🛡️

[split mortar]

Can’t hear y’all over the rocks

🪨

[solar wharf]

melon gun

i have a cool idea

[split mortar]

🪨

[stoic gulch]

💎 ⬅️ 🪨

[magic epoch]

Oh no I'm like in those royal match ads

[solar wharf]

how about like, we put a chemically explosive

powder

behind the rock

in a small chamber

and then ignite it with kinetic force

[stoic gulch]

What is royal match

[magic epoch]

Pure. Innocent, even

[split mortar]

💥

[stoic gulch]

?

[stoic gulch]

What if we made pipebomb

[magic epoch]

It's a dumb mobile game like candy crush

[solar wharf]

well pipebomb doesnt have miles of range

while a rock at supersonic speeds lowkey kinda does

[stoic gulch]

Seems boring

Battle cats only good mobile game

[solar wharf]

the beef is crazy

[split mortar]

Terraria:

[stoic gulch]

Also that

[magic epoch]

is terraria reallyna mobile game

[split mortar]

Minecraft:

[magic epoch]

like yeah it's on mobile

[stoic gulch]

Nope don’t like it

[split mortar]

It’s a game you can get on mobile

[magic epoch]

but it's not native

it's an invasive species

[stoic gulch]

Bedrock is best version tho

[magic epoch]

like vampire survivors

[split mortar]

Bedrock doesn’t have free mods

[magic epoch]

amazing game. on mobile. wouldn't call it a mobile game

[stoic gulch]

Idc

[solar wharf]

lowkey i agree with amethyst here, but melon gun like

had my back for so many years

[spring helm]

choose Duck

[split mortar]

I think this is the second time I’m having this sort of convo in like the past week

[spring helm]

bedrock is cross platform so there's that

[solar wharf]

like, a disagreement?

[stoic gulch]

?

What are we even talking about

[split mortar]

Nah
Specifically terraria mobile game thing

[solar wharf]

oh

[split mortar]

And it’s in lore chat again

[stoic gulch]

Hell yeah

[solar wharf]

dont worry melon gun

[stoic gulch]

Calamity off topic chat

[solar wharf]

we love you no matter how many times you talk about terraria mobile game thing

it wouldnt change my views on you

unless you like, do it while killing my mom

that might like

change it

[split mortar]

That’s every channel

[stoic gulch]

Ye

[split mortar]

Calamity off topic server

[stoic gulch]

Calamity off topic but with lore I guess chat

[faint plank]

calamarity

[solar wharf]

what does that even mean

the fuck is a calamarity

[stoic gulch]

Calamarity

It’s you know

Calamarity

[split mortar]

Rebecca’s OC

[solar wharf]

this is why i respect you melon gun

[stoic gulch]

You don’t respect me

[solar wharf]

you are like, a tour guide

[magic epoch]

calamitas squid

[stoic gulch]

:((

[solar wharf]

hey man

ima be honest

my first thought when witnessing a person named skelli

wouldnt be respecting

[stoic gulch]

Makes sense

It’s quite childish

[solar wharf]

i like you tho, like. i think you should have the right to like

[stoic gulch]

Explode

[solar wharf]

exist in the same plane of existence as us

[stoic gulch]

That’s nice

[untold oracle]

Wahwah

[solar wharf]

hi deltaw

[untold oracle]

Hai

[stoic gulch]

Three hours until the thing that is new

Can’t believe that it’s almost 2015

[split mortar]

Guys it’s soon going to be 2012 we going to die oh no!

[stoic gulch]

True

[cloud ibex]

balatro is on mobile

i think

[stoic gulch]

Twas originally on pc

[untold oracle]

Yes

[woven sparrow]

Okay so if the Corruption and Crimson are from a multitude of evil gods being slain and not taken care of properly does that mean the Hallow was created a similar way?

[devout grotto]

Yep

But from benevolent gods

[woven sparrow]

Does that also mean those gods were slain where the Hallow appears or does the newly freed essence just go wherever

[untold oracle]

All of hallowed essence was successfully sealed away, but some of the evil wasn’t. This could be because of a propaganda trick by Yharim, since he was able to hide the possible benelovence of gods and probably intentionally left a small sliver of evil rot to keep a reminder of the gods’ "evilness."

Oh wait I read the question wrong
I think the essence just goes wherever

[woven sparrow]

Gooottt it

Is the essence of the evil biomes corrupting the essence that creates the Hallow or is there another reason everything wants to kill us there

[untold oracle]

I think hallow still runs on the instinct to expand

[woven sparrow]

Mm okay

[split mortar]

The hallowed guys would still have a hundred god essences demanding different “good” things

So any intelligent being prob gets mentally ground into instinctual animals idfk

[pliant ruin]

I mean honestly like every biome has hostile things on it

[cloud ibex]

yea it might just be that the heartlands is in the "genuinely hell" category of fictional places to live

[split mortar]

It’s the second worst continent and even in hardmode there’s a possible rival some fucking how iirc

[strong notch]

Waiting for 2025 lore to drop

[split mortar]

#calamity-update-talk message

[strong notch]

nah

it fits both

[cosmic zenith]

Through their will, I am eternity. I am the wind to which the grass gently sways.

Really rushed New Year's artpiece

[deft valve]

mmmm dragon sllsrlsrpsrpslrp

im god now

[split mortar]

The suspiciously human shaped squid:

[real silo]

Is that veyray pr zeratr8s

Sorry bis os sjaky abd I'm typing with my ringmfinger

[dusk laurel]

[split mortar]

Vetrasyl not Zeratros

[real silo]

Isee

[cosmic zenith]

Vetrasyl
Zeratros doesn't have a design yet, and he'll be quite different from Vetra

[real silo]

Oke

[cosmic bridge]

hell yea pretty storm dragon :D

[real silo]

Fuck I'm running out of battery

Bye fols

[split mortar]

Zeratros I think should be very different from any other dragon imo

[split mortar]

Bai

[dusk laurel]

Imagine

[cosmic zenith]

My man has some serious tail scoliosis

He couldn't afford the surgery 💔

[mighty zenith]

harpy mew jerma

[split mortar]

Damn Moonlord hit them hard

[deft vessel]

Need to see more front facing Vetrasyl

[dusk laurel]

Haep pii bird tays

[cloud ibex]

sticking with that zeratros should be an eastern dragon to contrast yharon being a western dragon

[pliant ruin]

zeratros should be a weird ass mfer that dosen't look like any standard dragon depiction imo ^-^

[deft valve]

he is a dragon of light so one of the developers said that he will have a lampshade as a head and a switch as a tail

but like the pully type of switch

like the one that always breaks its so annoying

[mighty zenith]

zeratros should be an albatross

[split mortar]

Zeratros should be silly

[dusk laurel]

Zeratros should be a Xanax head

[split mortar]

Happy new year

[river python]

AUGUST 12 2036, THE HEAT DEATH OF THE UNIVERSE

[spare pier]

Zeratros should look unique but still a Dragon

Like, he's still the king

[pliant ruin]

dragon literally made of light trust

silhouette of a draconic figure made purely out of light ,,

[spare pier]

It'd be jarring if the representative of their entire race was nothing like a Dragon y'know?

[split mortar]

Looks like a dragon
But still wacky

[spare pier]

And we can't really Make A New Dragon

That's like asking us to make a new depiction of a fairy

Any concept that gets the point across has already been done

[pliant ruin]

make him a grubdog

[spare pier]

I'm making Zeratros a rat

[stoic gulch]

Wyverns, drakes, serpents, hydras all are considered dragons

[split mortar]

Make Zeratros a worm boss

[spare pier]

So he EATS CHEESE

[pliant ruin]

what the fuck

EJOPAG

[stoic gulch]

Then there are western and eastern dragons

[pliant ruin]

EVIL

[pliant ruin]

Erm actually...

[split mortar]

Isn’t it mice that are often depicted eating chedder

[pliant ruin]

The original greek hydra wasn't really a dragon ...................

[stoic gulch]

Erm actually what

[stoic gulch]

Yes I do know that

[pliant ruin]

It's kinda funny to think abt like

[stoic gulch]

But if you think of a dragon do you think of a western dragon or an eastern (the original) dragon

[pliant ruin]

where do u draw the line

beetween reptilian monster and dragojn

[stoic gulch]

It’s just big lizard

A drake is a dragon without wings

So big lizard

[spare pier]

I think any reptilian monster can be a dragon

[stoic gulch]

Yeah

[spare pier]

But not every reptilian monster is a dragon

[pliant ruin]

it rly is just up to the author of the setting at the end of the day

[split mortar]

Dragons are
Lizard like (optional)
Flying (optional)
Winged (optional)
Breathing (optional)

[pliant ruin]

makes me want to write a classic fantasy setting...

[stoic gulch]

Furry or scaly (one or the other

[stoic gulch]

Me too

[spare pier]

Like, ok if you wanted you could say Godzilla is a dragon

[split mortar]

(Optional)

[stoic gulch]

It is a dragon tbh

It’s a bipedal drake

[pliant ruin]

Personally i dont consider hydras to be dragons generally speaking

[stoic gulch]

True

[pliant ruin]

But that's just my view on things

[spare pier]

Point is, if it even barely resembles a reptile

[stoic gulch]

I do

[spare pier]

It can be a dragon

[stoic gulch]

Megidora is a dragon

[pliant ruin]

There's not really a objective answer to what is and what isn't a dragon bc its a fantasy animal and u can make whatever definition u want for it

[stoic gulch]

Salamander dragon….

[stoic gulch]

Wait a fantasy animal???

😧

[pliant ruin]

fantasy animal creature monster etc

[stoic gulch]

It’s irl!!!!

Totally

[spare pier]

My only rule for a Dragon is that it has to resemble some reptile

Or have reptilian features

[stoic gulch]

Eastern dragons…

[stoic gulch]

Oh ok yeah

[spare pier]

Unless it's a snail

Snails get a pass

[pliant ruin]

What about dragonflies

[split mortar]

Whar

[stoic gulch]

Snail dragon real

[stoic gulch]

If a building in Pokémon is one than that is also one

[spare pier]

You can make a DRAGONfly

[split mortar]

They are draconic flies
Simple

[spare pier]

But not a DragonFLY

If that makes sense

[pliant ruin]

agreeable statement...

[split mortar]

Not to me

[spare pier]

A Dragon with fly-like properties vs A fly with Dragon-like properties

[pliant ruin]

I've always wanted to make some sort of classic fantrasy setting but i have no idea what i'd do with it so it's just gonna stay on the backburner for now

Plus i already have a massive contemporary fantasy setting to work on so i won't be making any new projects for uh

a while.

[stoic gulch]

I too wanna do that

I want moss cretins and snail dragons for starters

[spare pier]

I have an idea personally

God goes fucking insane and brings about the apocalypse

And then two guys form a party and go kill God

[dusk laurel]

[spare pier]

One being your traditional fantasy protagonist

The other being a woman who can copy any skill if she sees it even once

[pliant ruin]

The other being a woman

holy shit

[spare pier]

[dusk laurel]

[stoic gulch]

The girl kisser neurons is activating

[faint plank]

peak

[stoic gulch]

Merry new years and a happy Christmas

[spare pier]

The woman in question has a gigantic God complex

[split mortar]

When you beat actual God is it a complex

[mighty zenith]

even better

[stoic gulch]

Helena core

[spare pier]

She doesn't beat God

[stoic gulch]

Can she beat goku tho?

[spare pier]

This is kinda half the point of the story where as time goes on her goal and the guy's goal drift apart

She wants to replace God

He wants to kill him and leave no one in place

[stoic gulch]

I should write story

[spare pier]

So, right before fighting God

They fight between each other

And she dies

[dusk laurel]

Massive L

[mighty zenith]

god forbid women have hobbies

[spare pier]

😔

[dusk laurel]

[stoic gulch]

How could she even lose if she can copy abilities

[spare pier]

And then the guy fights God and things happen I don't want to talk much about what I'm doing in that story

[stoic gulch]

Does the guy just have pure skill

[mighty zenith]

i didnt even realize how funny this sentence is in-context

[dusk laurel]

She probably has a skill issue idfk

[split mortar]

Never said she copied strength

[spare pier]

View it as Magic spells

She can copy spells

[stoic gulch]

Ohhh

[spare pier]

I'm probably also making so she can only copy an ability once

But since she's also really strong she can just make it stronger

Which is part of the story since I'm writing this without a visual medium

[stoic gulch]

Biggest nerf in the century

[spare pier]

I can't really put too much emphasis on fighting

So my goal was to make all of her fights end in one blow

[stoic gulch]

Yeah too much of that and it’s boring

(Says a dragon ball fan)

[spare pier]

Either she wins, or she loses in one attack

Anyways go back on topic

[faint plank]

maybe like Adan from RoR
copying an ability has a huge cost physically

[manic coral]

yeah basically. like, if Uncle Iroh make it high in a poll of "best dragons in fiction", then a dragon can be fuckin whatever

[split mortar]

Excuse me what

[cloud ibex]

he deserves it

[split mortar]

I know that

[wheat walrus]

lmao what

what makes UNC IROH count as a dragon, excuse me for not being knowledgeable about ATLA

[manic coral]

his title

The Dragon of the West

[wheat walrus]

but I didn't even remem

[wheat walrus]

😭

the fact that it's not even a technicality thing like idk Wyverians Monster Hunter but a title thing is something I did not expect

[manic coral]

i mean

he can breathe fire

there's on trait

[split mortar]

A optional trait

[indigo glade]

#calamity-update-talk message

[indigo glade]

Bold of you to assume it is a fantastical animal.

[spare pier]

Kills you

[dusk laurel]

[wheat walrus]

kills you

there's one trait* btw

[manic coral]

so are all traits of dragons

[split mortar]

Yeh I know

[wheat walrus]

dementia gun arc

[split mortar]

No?

[wheat walrus]

you wrote to yourself

you forgor who you are

dementiacore

[cosmic zenith]

Pretty much

And that's what makes Dragons cool!!!

[hoary cape]

Dragons are optional

[cosmic zenith]

They're the embodiment of all the shit we think is cool, but conceptually vague enough to harbor an absurd diversity

[hoary cape]

Do dragons in calamity have hollow bones or do they use magic to fly

[sinful adder]

I would guess both

Like, they can be either

Or neither, or both

[split mortar]

No I was showing I already know dragons are optional by replying to that text which would make it easily accessible

[pliant ruin]

dementia gun arc

[dusk laurel]

Demented gun

[cosmic zenith]

I think it's a mix

Their biology complements their physical abilities, but they're definitely magically enhanced

In fact, I think part of the changes offshoots undergo over time is to adapt their physiology to something that can support their abilities in the context of the decreasing magic in their lineage

No wonder Wyverns, offshoots who fly without wings, are notably still deeply attuned with their magic

[light linden]

oh wait a dev is here

can you answer me a question please?

[cosmic zenith]

👋

Sure!

[pliant ruin]

btw r basilisks being offshoots being killed

i remember hearing abt that

which is sad because i think they fit dragon of gluttony perfectly

rip my headcanon

[cosmic zenith]

Ehhhh I don't think so

[light linden]

is Auric naturally electrified or is that a result of us using Yharon's soul to work it?

[pliant ruin]

Basilisks don't really have any remarkable magical traits, they're highly predatory, fat, low-to-the-ground lizard things, i feel like they could fit really well

[cosmic zenith]

I don't care much either way - them being offshoots shows an otherwise unexplored side of "mundane offshoots", but they're really out of nowhere and don't add much to the offshoot roster

[pliant ruin]

Like i don't think there's literally any notable traits for basilisks other than "They fat and hungry" that we know of

So like

[light linden]

I kinda went on a rant at 4am last night about magic metals being confusing and speculated about Auric only being electrified because we used Yharon's soul to work it

[cosmic zenith]

I'd love to make a book exploring offshoots that exist outside the region the game takes place in

[dusk laurel]

It was Triangle discussing smth about Scutlers iirc. He talked about asking the lore writers about changing Basilisks to be Scutlers I think

[cosmic zenith]

Auric is naturally electrified, it's a phenomenon called Auric Rejection in which Auric "rejects" wielders that aren't Auric Dragons or mistakable with them (e.g.: Dragon-attuned people)
Using Yharon's soul fragments actually neutralizes this effect, as you are basically telling Auric to "chill" by convicing it that a Dragon is using it

[cosmic zenith]

Which we disagreed with

(Rebecca and I)

Being offshoots just takes a bit of the whimsy away from them in our opinion

It's kinda lame if every cool creature is an offshoot

And makes more mundane creatures seem invariably less cool

[cosmic zenith]

You mentioning this makes me more excited to work on designs for the other Dragons

[light linden]

ok ty

[cosmic zenith]

Because I know that, take as much time as needed, I can and will make them more interesting than that

The Deadly Sins are a particularly interesting bunch of concepts to work with and "embody"

[light linden]

I'm personally wondering what type of god an auric soul of sloth and wrath would create

[hoary cape]

Deadly sins

Hmmmm

[cosmic zenith]

And among them, Gluttony is one of the most... diverse? As in, there are many ways in which you can explore Gluttony as a concept

[light linden]

if we didn't know that providence's soul was from the dragon of flame I'd say she got it from wrath tbh

[hoary cape]

Gluttony doesn't just have to be about food/drinks

Which is neat

[cosmic zenith]

God of War, God of Sleep
(These are just guesses)

[hoary cape]

Sloth becomes god of slowness

[cosmic zenith]

Yeah
Gluttony, in a broader perspective, is overindulgence

[split mortar]

Then what’s greed

Overindulgence but money?

[pliant ruin]

Greed and Gluttony are often seen as really similar

it's hard to make them particularly different from eachother since their basis is roughly the same

[spring helm]

god of eepy

[pliant ruin]

One way to do it is to make greed uh

[hoary cape]

Greed is the want gluttony is actually going through with it and overindulging

[spring helm]

cheese the goddess of eep

[pliant ruin]

less of taking more than you need and more of not sharing with those that need it more

[pliant ruin]

true,,

[light linden]

my guess for wrath would be either a god of anger or a god of fire

[pliant ruin]

anger and wrath are basically the same thing so i doubt it

[spring helm]

it's a little hard to differentiate gluttony, lust, and greed sometimes since they're all based on extreme desire

[pliant ruin]

it's like going fomr a dragon of rock to a god of stone

[light linden]

still wonder what providence's domain is

[pliant ruin]

Lust is the easiest one to differentiate here

[hoary cape]

Dragon of rock becomes god of smooth brain

Because dumb as a rock

[pliant ruin]

Lust is a overwhelming desire

[cosmic zenith]

Greed is a more human concept
I would say it's more tied to overexploration, as in, a toxic desire to amass property at the costs of others

I feel like a Dragon of Greed would enslave its offshoot to steal precious materials for its hoard

[pliant ruin]

Often times a character that is meant to have the concept of lust as part of their narrative does things they don't want to do but cave in due to a immense, overwhelming desire

Vampires are a classic concept

[spring helm]

so like the archtypical western dragon

[cosmic zenith]

Of course, the deadly sins have some overlap

[cosmic zenith]

Nah, that'd be boring

But it would use some western dragon traits

[spring helm]

is there a dragon of dragons

[light linden]

I could see an auric soul of envy creating either a god of ambition or a god of assassination

[pliant ruin]

Lust is actually my favorite of the sins to write on tbh

[spring helm]

dod

[cosmic zenith]

Nah, at least not imo

[pliant ruin]

It can make for

incredibly interesting and nuanced stories

Sloth is another one i'm a fan of

[spare pier]

Dragon of Wrath imo would be literally Original Character Do Not Steal

[pliant ruin]

It can involve

oh my god

i'm

reb

[light linden]

still curious about vampire dragons in general

[pliant ruin]

rebi swear to god

[spare pier]

Just the most over the top, spiky bitch out there

[pliant ruin]

i read "Wrath imo"

as.

a single wrod

[light linden]

like how does a dragon become a vampire

[pliant ruin]

and i read it as Wario

[spare pier]

[pliant ruin]

I wasn't talking about dragons

[spare pier]

Dragon of Wario

[spring helm]

dragon of wario

[cosmic zenith]

Wrath definitely has poisonous blood

[light linden]

ik

[dusk laurel]

[split mortar]

GOD OF WALUIGI

[spring helm]

happy new year lore channel, i think my cousin's cat is in heat

[hoary cape]

God of Wario

[split mortar]

HELLO, DRAGON OF WARIO

[light linden]

what do y'all think an auric soul of pride would create?

[split mortar]

God of shame

Idk

[spare pier]

Dragon of Pride, God of Gay

[dusk laurel]

True

Based

[spring helm]

god of lore channel

[cosmic zenith]

Helluva Boss/Hazbin Hotel has an interesting take on Sloth that kinda opened my eyes to the possibilities

TLDR ||the Sin of Sloth, Belphegor, is a possibly narcoleptic goat lady - so she's so fucking eepy||

It's so diferent from what I would imagine Sloth to be

[spring helm]

stip that sounds like just the regular take

[pliant ruin]

it does

to be honest

[light linden]

it's exactly what I imagine sloth to be

[pliant ruin]

My personal favorite interpretation of sloth is one that's not tired or lazy, but inactive

[spare pier]

That's the most generic take on Sloth ever ngl

[dusk laurel]

Yeah

[light linden]

personally I like the slaking type of sloth take

[pliant ruin]

Someone who sees negative things happening around them

Someone who knows they could help if they tried

But they just... don't

[light linden]

where it is immensely strong but really doesn't care enough to use it

[cosmic zenith]

Damn, so you guys don't picture Sloth as someone who's awake but intentionally apathetic and lazy?

[split mortar]

What’s the difference with inactive and lazy…

[spare pier]

I expected nothing more out of Hazbin

[spring helm]

no

[cosmic zenith]

I guess I'm the weird one then

[spring helm]

i picture sloth as someone who sleeps all the time

[pliant ruin]

For one reason or another, they let things fester even knowing they could help, perhaps due to some sort of nihilism

[split mortar]

That’s what I did I think

[pliant ruin]

Nihilism can be a great way to write sloth btw

Sans undertale is a character that represents the sin of sloth

do not @ me

because i'm right

[light linden]

anyways

[split mortar]

@pliant ruin

[dusk laurel]

@pliant ruin

[pliant ruin]

He's the best damn one at that

[spare pier]

It'd work if we didn't have Miss Nihilism sitting around already

[cosmic zenith]

Hazbin's designs feel.... underdeveloped I think

[light linden]

Y'all think there was a god of commerce?

[spring helm]

@pliant ruin

dragon of capitalism

[spare pier]

They feel OVERDEVELOPED to me

[pliant ruin]

Miss Nihilism 😭 😭

[spring helm]

oh ok

[cosmic zenith]

There's some cool stuff but so much is just... you stopped there?

[spare pier]

I haven't watched that thing tho so

[light linden]

I'm thinking that might be what greed would create

[spring helm]

dragon of greed, god of merchants

[split mortar]

Providence seems very active about it though

[cosmic zenith]

How?

[pliant ruin]

i won't watch either hazbin or helluva because i hate vizviepop

[spare pier]

I mean their visual design

[pliant ruin]

she's a pretty bad person and her media does not interest me in the slightest