lore-discussion

[mighty zenith]

undertale is currently like 2 bucks

go buy it

[untold oracle]

Understandable

[split mortar]

Noita is funny

Whitemail?

[mighty zenith]

im leaving rain world to rot in there

[untold oracle]

Noita means witch in my language lol

[faint plank]

sigma mail

[split mortar]

Yeah I know

:(

[hoary berry]

[real silo]

I could've gotten rain world because I won a silly raffle in another server

[split mortar]

Deltarune is free it won’t increase the taxes you have to pay

[edgy fable]

I wonder if we'll ever get another track like Roar of the Jungle Dragon

[hoary berry]

i still haven't played through all of rain world

[real silo]

But my ass hated hard games so I settled for a chill puzzle platformer instead

You should play gris now!

[edgy fable]

Think that's my introduction to Cal OST

[real silo]

It's like 4 hours for a full playthrough

Very short game

[split mortar]

Only possibilities is yharim noxus and xeroc

I think yharim would

[hoary berry]

i hope yharim's theme doesn't have lyrics

[real silo]

Yharim's theme is just him breathing heavily

Old man

[edgy fable]

I mean, if done right, why not?

[untold oracle]

Hhhrrhh… hargharhr… hahrh…..

[real silo]

Heart would never sing a song

[edgy fable]

Yharim is a peepaw?

[edgy fable]

Like Hush from TBoI

[split mortar]

130 ish years old and will die in under a decade from age

[real silo]

That was a joke

[untold oracle]

Funny how you can be at your peak physical form and simultaneously die from old age

[hoary berry]

you could make that argument for literally any design choice in any form of media
and sure, it makes sense
but i can't envision a theme for yharim where i would enjoy lyrics, so for now it's my wish that it doesn't have any

[split mortar]

Just means your muscles are good not your organs

[real silo]

If yharim theme has lyrics it's probably gonna be a synth voice

[edgy fable]

I mean Dokuro's first composition with lyrics was Roar of the jungle dragon and it's peak

[real silo]

Smth smth twisted garden

[untold oracle]

Make it a nightmare like twisted garden!

Yea

[real silo]

I would prefer if it didn't use synth voice though

[edgy fable]

He did say that this is his first "own" composition, apparently that's a remix?

[real silo]

I don't like twisted garden's voice that much

[edgy fable]

idk

I'm lost

[gritty kraken]

Plot twist: yharin body is now 90% draetech so he’s immortal now

[hoary berry]

or i should clarify, where i would enjoy lyrics more than there not being any

oops

wrong reply

[edgy fable]

Yharon theme 2 was peak, hopefully they manage to make Yharim's theme hit the same

[split mortar]

Lmao

[real silo]

Whar

[hoary berry]

trackpad moment

[split mortar]

Have it be like SBC lyrics where they add instead of being the focus

[real silo]

Yea

I'd be fine with chorus yharim

Lead vocals need to be perfect if you don't want it to be blegh

[glacial rampart]

yeah we're definitely not getting anything like SBC or Rotjd for any other songs

That is a lot to do

[real silo]

The one good synth voiced song I've heard is a canvas without stars

That's the one instance where I think using synth was better than using a real singer

Every other one I've listened to would sound better with a real singer

Granted there isn't a lot

Since I don't listen to vocaloid/synth stuff

[untold oracle]

This I agree

Chorus would be cool

[split mortar]

How many Big Macs can Xeroc make using magic

[hoary berry]

at least three

i think five is probably where it gets tough

[faint plank]

now how many mangos

is he those who know

[untold oracle]

He can only make still water

[untold oracle]

Uhh when did Calamitas leave Yharmy

Before game

[split mortar]

Like a decade ish

[untold oracle]

Uhh my timeline might be a little fucked

I basically have Cal leaving Yharim around 1–2 years before game start

[split mortar]

That’s closer to when braelor and statis fight yharminarm

[untold oracle]

Yes

[pliant ruin]

cal left the yharmy when she was still not an adult iirc

i'm like 90% saure

[untold oracle]

My story has already butchered the mod and game thoroughly I don’t even see changing it at this point lol

Also hai chees

I mean yuri fan

Based

[pliant ruin]

it's part of why her character is so compelling imo because having her go "wait am i the bad guy" as she's at a young age who's still figuring things out makes her alot more sympathethic and understandable than having her figure that out as a 20 something year old who definitely would have a good understanding of why killing thousands is bad

hello :D

[mighty zenith]

🛸

[wheat walrus]

she's still evil though ::/

and that's bad

she is literally yharim 2 she just didn't want you to steal the spot smh :/

calamitas is evil

terrarian is eviler

yharim is the best one but still a bit evil

permafrost is a good guy he just was in between yharim and calamitas who are evil and eviler

[pliant ruin]

true...

[wheat walrus]

but yea terrarian is the true bad guy

he did what yharim did and worse!

he killed gods and dragons alike, he killed queen bee too, he just spares claamitas cause she is evil like the terrarian but not as much and the terrarian is teaching her to be eviler!!!

[pliant ruin]

the terrarian killedm y grandma

[wheat walrus]

the terrarian canonically robbed banks before beocming strogn!!!

fabsol told me!

[untold oracle]

Worst of all, the Terrarian killed Yharon, and killing a dragon is literally worse than genocide!!

[wheat walrus]

yharon was right

[scenic olive]

Terrarian breathed oxygen

[untold oracle]

Gasp!

Evil!

[wheat walrus]

yharon was a heroic dragon who could not even say a final goodbye to his good master yharim...

[mighty zenith]

guys..... are.... are we the baddies???

[scenic olive]

are we ... a bad person?

[wheat walrus]

yes we are!

[split mortar]

I am

Very tempted to post the terrarian thing…

[mighty zenith]

we gotta be worse than yharim right

i mean, he's sad

[wheat walrus]

we slay literal gods and the dragons that the gods killed we kill millions!!!

[mighty zenith]

and we're not

so we're worse

[untold oracle]

He did though in RotJD!

[wheat walrus]

yes yharim regrets it unlike us!!!

[wheat walrus]

rotjd is not canon btw fabsol said this...

[untold oracle]

SBC is though, and it confirms respawning is canon!

[pliant ruin]

i'm literally the saddest organism on earth what do you mean

[split mortar]

But
Yharon doesn’t have sick ass musical while fighting us?!??:?:?!

[scenic olive]

cant send appropriate gif for this moment smh

[wheat walrus]

yesss

[wheat walrus]

you're not the terrarian though you're yuri fan!

[split mortar]

I’m the terrarian

[wheat walrus]

the terrarian woudl not like yuri he would kill good people like yharim!!!

[scenic olive]

Guys does Draedon use voicebox or does he telepathically talks to the terrarian

[untold oracle]

It also confirms Calamitas is a wretched maniac who wants to kill EVERYONE so much she was actually the one controlling Yharim (good guy)!

Fabsol told this

[mighty zenith]

ok but

he's sad!

[split mortar]

Draedon just doesn’t exist

It’s the brain cancer from the sulphuric seas uranium causing hallucinations

Sorry you had to find out this way

[mighty zenith]

so he cant be evil

[wheat walrus]

the terrarian is an evil boundless god that manifested himself in terraria calamity mod to bully nameless deity xeroc and noxus of emptiness

[scenic olive]

this must be a dream

[untold oracle]

Guys what if Calamity is just a carbon monoxide hallucination

[mighty zenith]

what if calamity.... is a coma the terrarian is having

[split mortar]

^

[wheat walrus]

therefore terrarian is boundless and everyone else is outer to high outer...

[split mortar]

That’s torch god and providence smh

[pliant ruin]

i'm in a coma the terrarian is having

[split mortar]

But omni

The dragons controlled concepts and so so the gods

[pliant ruin]

wait no

[wheat walrus]

yes terrarian solos goku no diff

[wheat walrus]

yes!

[split mortar]

Get out of my coma

[wheat walrus]

the dragons are outer...

[scenic olive]

no you get out of mine

[spare pier]

I don't even know if it's Omni bringing all of this to our attention but like

[scenic olive]

this is MY coma

[wheat walrus]

wahr..........

[spare pier]

I've never seen a fandom so fucking obsessed with its characters being shitfartversal

[pliant ruin]

reb do you wanna hear my random crackpot headcanon that i had like yesterday regarding otonilou

[wheat walrus]

tehres many actually........................................................ terraria fandom is quite funny about it though

[untold oracle]

Okay how does shitfartversal compare to gigazloingusversal

[split mortar]

I think I have

[spare pier]

Do it

[scenic olive]

Dragons of Creativity and Literature

[pliant ruin]

Okay so like

Tyrian. Looks like a fish

Amidias. Looks like a fish

[spare pier]

Yeah that checks out

[split mortar]

Doesn’t matter, all below yharimversal

[pliant ruin]

They have humanoid bodies. but i see them right. and i think. yeah thats a fish

[wheat walrus]

betaless solos

[spare pier]

So it's just you making us aware of the bullshit

[pliant ruin]

otonilou? that's a whole ass person. shes got a person face and everything.

so my headcanon is quite shrimple

[wheat walrus]

yep

[scenic olive]

theyre fish but in disguise

[mighty zenith]

ive seen some very obsessed jjk fans

[scenic olive]

[ruby heart]

Sadly the powerscale users still didnt beat the outeroom and outerhouse level

[pliant ruin]

unlike other illmeran species whatever species otonilou comes from is not actually a marine animal/fish turned into a humanoid but rather some form of hominid that adapted to a marine lifestyle and thus became convergently similar to jellyfish

[ruby heart]

[wheat walrus]

jujutsu kaisen is outerverse level because curses are shitversal concepts and whatever

[ruby heart]

The apple dock

[wheat walrus]

hollow purple also is because something

[wheat walrus]

the dock is holding an april in its melt

[spare pier]

JJK fans at the very least for the most part are just

"But Gojo is op"

And not

[split mortar]

Genuinely seen people say hobo and sukuna are planet level…

[mighty zenith]

im just convinced the calamity fandom doesnt know what the word "exaggerate" means

[pliant ruin]

I don't like jjk fans usually they tend to be annoying

[spare pier]

Whatever the fuck is going on with the Cal fandom

[pliant ruin]

though recently they've been like

not as bad

i think bcuz the popularity is dying out a bit

[ruby heart]

Old duke is outerverse 💔

[mighty zenith]

'Oh he's an egotistical twat and calls himself Devourer of Gods? he must be multiversal'

[untold oracle]

I love how the fandom has the japanese names for the bosses

[split mortar]

Been a bit since a recent update so not as many are active

[wheat walrus]

yea but that's a lot more reasonable than the whole curses scale to outerverse level thing since there is a planet level feat, even if no one scales to it by themselves

[spare pier]

That do be a good idea

[wheat walrus]

his theme from 6 years ago is called scourge of the universe...

[ruby heart]

He can sorta

Dimension hop

But i wouldnt call that a outerverse thing

[mighty zenith]

that doesnt mean he can

destroy the fucking universe

thats the issue

[ruby heart]

Yes

[split mortar]

But moving into a different house doesn’t make you building level

[spare pier]

Yeah but he isn't dimension hopping because he can scream and it outputs enough energy to tear a hole through spacetime

[ruby heart]

Ye

[mighty zenith]

he can make portals but people automatically associate that with strength

[untold oracle]

Not to mention universal collapse he can destroy entire universes so he must be multiverse level!

[spare pier]

He can dimension hop because he has a specific brand of magic that allows him to do it

[wheat walrus]

shadowspec bars are beyond explanation and therefore they are beyond comprehension which is beyond platonic concepts which are boundless or wsomething

[ruby heart]

now noxus is a diferent case

But it would take him some time to do so

(A economical ammount of time)

[magic epoch]

yharon can... roar... so um......

[mighty zenith]

sometimes i wish calamity didn't use the word "god"

[wheat walrus]

"incomprehensible" arguments my beloved...

[untold oracle]

I don’t get them tbh

[magic epoch]

but it sounds cool!

[mighty zenith]

its a good word but oh my lord people just cannot look at it in a way that isnt "biblical God"

[untold oracle]

haha get it????

[wheat walrus]

lmao

[ruby heart]

its not like through humanity story

[spare pier]

Every story ever uses that term to describe just mythical figures, it's just that the Cal community in particular is fucking braindead

[ruby heart]

We didnt had multiple people claim themselves as divine beings

Or envoys/ messiahs

[spare pier]

Like One Piece is right there

||Nika, the Sun God||

||No one is saying Luffy is eatmyassversal||

[pliant ruin]

One thing i will say abt gods
Is that while i think its fitting for arrogant guys to call themselves gods im not sure how fitting it is for someone like otonilou
so mayhaps alot of "gods" didn't even call themselves gods and it's just that yharim called them all that because bla bla bla propanda bla bla bla to make them seem arrogant etc

[ruby heart]

The gorosei

[split mortar]

Oh but nucleosynthesis is star level or something

We gotta be multiversal

[untold oracle]

One piece..,

[magic epoch]

pissversal

[ruby heart]

Its likely a name that caught

[spare pier]

Yeah

[ruby heart]

Principally with yharim godseeking propaganda

And the higher gods calling themselves so

Or atleast the more vocal guys

[wheat walrus]

Monster Hunter has stuff like Ibushi and Narwa being titled "Wind God" and "Thunder Goddess", and Amatsu is referred to as a Dragon God several times; these 3 all still scale to Country Level, maybe Multi-Continent Level with some calcs but usually Country Level

[spare pier]

A God is a powerful being with near unrivaled power over a specific aspect of the world

That's what Gods have been for

Ever

[split mortar]

And also the fact god may be like Cthulhu

Just means something different to them

[ruby heart]

So its likely otonilou for example didnt call herself that

[pliant ruin]

you dare call yourself a god you ARROGANT WRETCH!!! GRAHHHH

dude i never called myself that i'm literally a jellyfish

[magic epoch]

calamity lore would be so much simpler if yharim fucking died like he should have

[ruby heart]

But the population and stuff yes

[scenic olive]

i have been eating cthulus

[pliant ruin]

i mean cows are beasts

and they are pretty great

[green bay]

Major debuff to all stats

[scenic olive]

its part of my diet

[spare pier]

It's funny because this definition literally encompasses every single God in our world as far as I'm aware

[scenic olive]

I build different

[pliant ruin]

i don't think anybody can deny that cows are truly, great beasts

[ruby heart]

Alatreon

Isnt there a thing about even gods fearing it

[indigo glade]

I think it is more like a term that was used by the first few Gods, that is now being used towards any God, so they just had to live with the label of "God".

[green bay]

Goated cuz they chill and produce goated food

[wheat walrus]

lmao Alatreon is referred to as "The Strongest Dragon That Even Gods Fear" several times

[ruby heart]

But i just see these monster hunter stuff as like

Mythological descryptions

[wheat walrus]

MH has a lot of in-universe mythology yea

[split mortar]

It would also encompass dragons

[spare pier]

Yes, I wonder why that is

[pliant ruin]

the dragon god of evil malice

[spare pier]

[pliant ruin]

he has domain over evil

[split mortar]

Drago = God

[ruby heart]

When it isnt even the strongest dragon

(Fraudtreon)

[untold oracle]

So they could beat terrarian?

[spare pier]

Well, it's #2 as far as I'm concerned

[pliant ruin]

it is like the 3rd strongest tbf

[wheat walrus]

well, In-Universe, Alatreon was known as that up until stuff like Safi'jiiva and Fatalis showed up

[ruby heart]

#2 or #3

Safijiva

[pliant ruin]

2nd is dire miralis

p sure

[wheat walrus]

kinda, at least in mainline

[ruby heart]

True there is miralis

[pliant ruin]

not counting variants because

[ruby heart]

And also the other 2 members of the fatalis family

[spare pier]

Alatreon and Safi'jiva are tied pretty much

[pliant ruin]

white fatalis 💥

[indigo glade]

Monster Hunter...

[ruby heart]

If you count that

[spare pier]

And I think Alatreon is stronger than Safi personally

[ruby heart]

Isnt safi meant to be a fatalis rival

[spare pier]

Not at all

[ruby heart]

I mean alatreon was very panicked with safi existance

[indigo glade]

Welcome to Monster-Discussion channel, where we talk about a game series I have never played or understood.

[ruby heart]

It went out of its way to go break its eggs

[split mortar]

Isn’t fatalis meant to be like

The dragon that all world ending dragons fear type thing

[pliant ruin]

This is true

How can we make this about calamity lore...

[dusk laurel]

Very factual

[ruby heart]

Fatalis is the strongest dragon ™️ yes

Not world ending tho

[wheat walrus]

Alatreon and Safi'jiiva share a spot, their fight is explicitly stated to be unsure of outcome, can be argued that Alatreon has an edge as it is believed to be the "natural counter to Safi'jiiva's unprecedented power"; I'd argue Dire Miralis is slightly beyond Alatreon just based on how it was designed as the second Forbidden Monster in 3rd gen

Fatalis is kinda the biggest guy

[spare pier]

Safi'jiiva and Alatreon are polar opposites, one directly alters the fundamental ecossystem of the world while the other hunts and destroys what Safi creates

[wheat walrus]

they are close though

[ruby heart]

Its biggest feat was destroying a town (a big town yes but like not the world)

[split mortar]

Ok but this is when it’s best
-# jk I just like seeing people talk about what they like

[wheat walrus]

(it was a country)

[spare pier]

(Yeah it was a whole ass country)

[ruby heart]

True

[pliant ruin]

Ok i figured out a way

[ruby heart]

The schrade

[indigo glade]

I'm just going to do something else...

[ruby heart]

White fatalis

[spare pier]

Anyways

[untold oracle]

Uhh I’m unaware how high does MH scale

[pliant ruin]

Talking about Dragons from Monster Hunter has made me wonder.... do we have any other official dragon designs besides yharon

[ruby heart]

I need more old bearded dragons

They are peak

[spare pier]

Technically Dragon of Frost

[ruby heart]

Frost dragon and vetrasyl

[split mortar]

I think the head of frost?

[ruby heart]

That is it

[pliant ruin]

can we get a dragon of gluttony drop chat...

[ruby heart]

[pliant ruin]

also yeah i forgot abt frost

[cloud ibex]

that's kinda why i imagine that xeroc wouldn't really like calling themselves the god of primordial light

[ruby heart]

Gluttony dragon

[untold oracle]

Fatass

[split mortar]

Fat dragon

[ruby heart]

I want to design drop him

[pliant ruin]

i kinda headcanon dragon of gluttony being like
a fatass turtle

[wheat walrus]

also Fatalis ingame was implied several times to be capable of "ending everything", which the MHWI Divebook further expands as being "not a figurative expression, but a fact", and also having the entire thing of "ending every living thing"; I say Fatalis has the whole world-ending shtick but it wasn't really explained up until Iceborne

[ruby heart]

For statigel set

[spare pier]

We ironically were talking about Dragon of Gluttony yesterday

[ruby heart]

My image for him is a mix of a big slug and yamata no orochi

[spare pier]

Hydra Slug

[pliant ruin]

oh also triangle vanillin asked me to ask you but

are the ideas for a post ml gnasher equivalent still a possibility

[wheat walrus]

before I move on, if we are to talk about the entire franchise, there's Frontier to explore for an actual strongest monster; shit gets crazy in there

[pliant ruin]

the hydra mata mata creature

[ruby heart]

[pliant ruin]

nice

will let them know when they come back from their slumber

[ruby heart]

I wonder if wilds will introduce

A new black dragon/ forbiden monster

[pliant ruin]

wilds introducing octopus monsters .... monmster hunter has peaked

[spare pier]

I do think it's not necessarily a "Fatalis can nuke the whole world" but just "no one else could ever fathom of stopping it"

[ruby heart]

Besides a dragonator, a guy and their cat

[wheat walrus]

a monster that plays a similar role, or even have "Black Dragon" in the title could work, butttttttttttttttttttttttttt Forbidden Monster is kinda impossible since that is a term referring to how they were treated prior to the 15th anniversary and stuff

[split mortar]

Didn’t fatalis wipe a country overnight

[ruby heart]

[wheat walrus]

(probs, it still is a world-ending threat regardless)

[scenic olive]

i need some fatalis lore bomb

[ruby heart]

Do people say white fatalis is outerverse

[scenic olive]

[ruby heart]

Because it has the portal intro

[spare pier]

Yeah but there are 200 countries in our planet

[ruby heart]

🥹

[split mortar]

Right so humanity is killed in under 2/3 of a year

[wheat walrus]

I think I saw people talk about Universe Level, Outerverse Level only comes with Crossovers

[spare pier]

And I don't think Fatalis wiped fucking Brazil overnight

More likely to be UK sized

Which is still fucking big

[wheat walrus]

Rebecca VS Fatalis is crazy

[spare pier]

I win

[ruby heart]

Godzilla wiped brazil

(Almost)

Its canonical

[untold oracle]

Poor melom.,

[split mortar]

No need to target me >:(

And goose

[wheat walrus]

the fucked-up values fireball that instantly kills you:

[ruby heart]

British

[pliant ruin]

D:

brasil numero um.... campeao do mundo.....

[spare pier]

But yeah, I do have a general design idea for every Dragon

[ruby heart]

God created fatalis to destroy the british population

[spare pier]

Except Flame

[ruby heart]

Specifically

I think flame should

[wheat walrus]

Teostra...

[ruby heart]

Be a fatalis moment

[spare pier]

I have no idea what Flame could look like

[ruby heart]

Just a medieval western dragon

:tm;

[pliant ruin]

Honestly i agree

[split mortar]

Make it the normal fire breathing dragon

[spare pier]

At the same time I think, yeah generic ass dragon can work

[ruby heart]

We have so many wacky dragons

[pliant ruin]

I think flame honestly would fit best being just a generic european dragon

It also fits the narrative role for one too bcuz like

[ruby heart]

Providence was likely design wise just a paladin/ shining knight

Western

[pliant ruin]

yeah being evil and violent and breathing fire and being slain by a knight

[wheat walrus]

yea Flame being generic dude could work

[pliant ruin]

thats

[ruby heart]

So flame dragon being the nefarious medieval dragon works well

[pliant ruin]

medieval dragon 101

[spare pier]

Fair enough, I just don't consider Yharon, Vetrasyl and Zeratros to be exactly super zany so I was like

Maybe we already covered enough generic dragon stuff

[ruby heart]

Vetrasyl is zany

Yharon too

Parrot dragon

[pliant ruin]

Yharon is pretty zany id say... The bird

Idk about vetra or zeratros since i havent seen them

[spare pier]

Idk Yharon still feels very much draconic to me

It's just that he has bird

[pliant ruin]

but the designs which idk if official which i've seen for vetra aren't as zany as yharon i don't think

[ruby heart]

Its a zany dragon

[split mortar]

They fly and have fire

They look like a pheonix

[pliant ruin]

No idea what's going on with zeratros i hope he looks cool doe

[ruby heart]

the bird

(Zeratros isnt bird)

There is no design for him yet

[pliant ruin]

Would be cool if he was like

[ruby heart]

Well life dragon would be a quetzalcoatl

[pliant ruin]

straight up made of light

[ruby heart]

P much

So another zany guy

[spare pier]

Zeratros to my eyes should feel like looking into God

God if he was a Dragon

[split mortar]

So should xerocs god form

[mighty zenith]

a furry

[spare pier]

Nah, I think Xeroc should still look human

[mighty zenith]

wait no

a scalie

[spare pier]

Like

[mighty zenith]

an incomprehensible scalie

[pliant ruin]

I do hope death dragon isn't just a skeletal dragon because that's the most predictable possible path to take and i'd stab someone if it was that

[spare pier]

Xeroc obviously should look divine

[ruby heart]

Well my ideia for it was

[spare pier]

But I think he still should look like something that you can see humanity through

[ruby heart]

Vaal hazak if it was a hydra

[pliant ruin]

Based...

i love val

one of my favorite elders

[ruby heart]

(Each head representing one of the horsemen and type of death)

[wheat walrus]

Vaal Hazak feels so horse idk why

[ruby heart]

He does

But the horsemen

[spare pier]

Zeratros should legit feel like God imo

[wheat walrus]

somehow even more than Alatreon and Kirin, despite Alatreon having very horse-like sounds in some animations, and Kirin being Kirin

[split mortar]

Maybe that’s why xeroc picked god for title

[spare pier]

I actually imagined Death Dragon could look like a snake

If only because Ravager's aesthetics are

[ruby heart]

Life dragon is a snake

[wheat walrus]

Dalamadur.................

[mighty zenith]

basilisk

[spare pier]

Surprisingly similar to the Volcano Manor

[ruby heart]

[summer rover]

Which god?

[ruby heart]

Quetzal

[split mortar]

Yeah

[spare pier]

I didn't specify for a reason

I mean Capital G God

[green bay]

I want a chill dragon who looks like yharon but with jesus like hair and a skateboard

[split mortar]

Zeratros looks like nameless deity got it

[summer rover]

So the Christian god?

[untold oracle]

Let’s make Zeratros incomprehensible yay!!

[mighty zenith]

king ghidorah zeratros

[spare pier]

I mean

They are related...

[wheat walrus]

Zeratros should feel like Keanu Reeves in a white coat floating in clouds under the sun

[hybrid barn]

Probably closer to overall Abrahamic, just the general idea of a god above everything

[spare pier]

And I think it's entirely possible to make two Snake Dragons that look completely distinct from each other

[ruby heart]

a arcane viktor like design

Would go really hard for xeroc

[hybrid barn]

...y'know, I can kind of see it

[spare pier]

He's already kind of a twink so

[mighty zenith]

actually now i headcanon dragon of gluttony as a tsuchinoko

[hybrid barn]

Just instead of the arcane, it's primordial light flowing in his veins

[mighty zenith]

fat fuck snake dragon

[wheat walrus]

wait who

[split mortar]

Really? Never got that impression from the concept art

On xeroc pre ascend

[hybrid barn]

It is exactly what I thought it was!

[wheat walrus]

Xeroc Twink is carazzzyyyyyy!!!

[hybrid barn]

I can't post images, but I love that weird creature

[spare pier]

Can someone pull Xeroc's updated concept art?

[split mortar]

I’ll do it in spoiler

[untold oracle]

We got proof! Proof!

[wheat walrus]

boiler caht

calamity boiler chat

[mighty zenith]

twink xeroc is canon?

time to nuke the mod

[split mortar]

But we need more twinks

[wheat walrus]

yea they went from xeroc being GOD to being GAY and WOKE!

[spare pier]

I love that one fucking Twink Death image

[mighty zenith]

i dont want twinks

[untold oracle]

How many do we have now?

[mighty zenith]

i want big buff robot men

[wheat walrus]

the woke left dei has even ruined calamity...

the west has fallen billions must die

[split mortar]

The one with slime god?

[spare pier]

Yeah

[split mortar]

If only I could post it

[spare pier]

If Slime God is not a femboy I will RIOT

[wheat walrus]

the woke left is forcing calamity to be woke...

[split mortar]

Rebecca is not on the left of me

[wheat walrus]

fasbol would never

[wheat walrus]

you are part of the woke left...

[untold oracle]

Aren’t we all

[wheat walrus]

the moon landing is just woke propaganda to make you think that the moon exists and that moonlord will kill you if you aren't woke!!!

[split mortar]

Does having a bf count as being the woke left

[wheat walrus]

that's so woke!!!

[green bay]

I dont know my rights and lefts 😔

[wheat walrus]

just so you know

[spring helm]

what did i miss, i scrolled up for a bit and saw more powerscaling

[wheat walrus]

the right is right and the left is wrong!!! and that left in latin is "sinistrum" which sounds like sinister, therefore the left is sinister!!! and left-handed people are eeevilll!!!

[split mortar]

Xeroc not Twink I think

[untold oracle]

Explode now

[spring helm]

well duh, you seen how jacked he is?

[wheat walrus]

Xeroc is Twink

[untold oracle]

Thrill of the double life

[wheat walrus]

see the woke left is using devil magic on me!!! but i am MAN of GOD!!! and GOD protects MAN of GOD!!!!!!

[split mortar]

If only I could horse bird you

[untold oracle]

Do it in sscls

[wheat walrus]

birds are not real they are woke left government drones!!!

[green bay]

So what youre saying is that the people in the medieval times were right and that left handed people are evil?

Cool

[wheat walrus]

yes cause the woke left!!!

[pliant ruin]

i'm cheese

[green bay]

So the right is asleep?

[wheat walrus]

the right is cool!!!

woke is a name the devil uses...

[green bay]

So the left is warm

I like warm

[wheat walrus]

cause the devil makes himself sound cool and chill!!!

[pliant ruin]

woke

[green bay]

Ngl if the devil appeared next to me id smoke one with him

[wheat walrus]

this is what the woke left wants...

[green bay]

Im soo eepy i need to absorb ghe dragon of sleep

[fierce pagoda]

I woke up in a new bugatti

[sleek halo]

Draedon should make a big buff robot

[split mortar]

Draedon is the big buff robot

[sleek halo]

I personally think Zeratros wouldn’t look very draconic at all

Idk why I just like the idea of him being so separated

[split mortar]

The sun isn’t on the planet

It’s separated from the world while all the other domains are of the world

So Zeratros domain is sperate from the others

[fierce pagoda]

Yeah why IS primordial light a domain?

Isnt even inherent to the world

[sleek halo]

i mean

it’s why life probably can exist

[fierce pagoda]

Maybe this was what Cei was afraid was being implied

[sleek halo]

so it feels

pretty inherent

it definitely impacts the planet

[fierce pagoda]

Yeah but like sun isnt a part of me even if i need it to live

Or is it

[sleek halo]

i mean it’s also shadows iirc so

[split mortar]

Cei didn’t want that to be public cause it implies stuff?

[sleek halo]

???

[spring helm]

i cannot believe omni bypassed the perms for horse bird

[sleek halo]

that was like

already public

qhar

[split mortar]

Yeah but they apparently didn’t know that

[sleek halo]

i see

[wheat walrus]

I outhorsebirded the horsebirder...

[sleek halo]

Oh one silly thing

if u think primordial light is weird

[split mortar]

^

[sleek halo]

Rebirth is far

far

far

weirder

Why the fuck is it in the world soul

[split mortar]

Because things can rebirth

[sleek halo]

What did it accomplish

[sleek halo]

What can

afaik only Auric Dragons are confirmed capable of it

because of Yharon

and his domain

[split mortar]

Uh

Elementals

[sleek halo]

and he seemingly can only bring back auric dragons

Like why only auric dragons

[solar wharf]

do zombies count as rebirths

or are they soulless husks

[sleek halo]

Uhh not as far as I am aware

[untold oracle]

I think it’s there for more symbolic reasons

Life, death, rebirth

[sleek halo]

Ok but

every other domain has a very clear reason why

it’s there

Primordial light, flame, frost, death, life, gluttony, storms, and probably some others I forgot maybe

Rebirth is just there

[split mortar]

The domain of rebirth kept in being rebirthed when it faded away and coming back

[sleek halo]

my headcanon

parts of the world soul could die

so rebirth brought them back

[split mortar]

So it’s less so the normal creatures rebirthing but how the world soul would stay alive?

[sleek halo]

that’s my headcanon

[sleek halo]

oh yeah gravity lol

[summer rover]

What is providence the god of? She is called the profaned goddess but I have no idea what that means.

[random mulch]

ash

[untold oracle]

Not confirmed

[split mortar]

There’s no confirmation in game
It’s fire related and it’s likely ash but unless stated in game it can change

[untold oracle]

Mreow

[dusk laurel]

Miau

[split mortar]

No

[untold oracle]

3:<

[magic epoch]

the goddess of profanity

[split mortar]

Providence the goddess of

FUCK YOU FUCK TOU FUCK YOU FUCK TOU

[cloud ibex]

common consensus is Ash but i like the sound of Cinders

[green bay]

It was actually the fuck you guy

[cloud ibex]

[magic epoch]

i like goddess of purity/purification. bc i thinkt hats what her character/motive is ithink I think,

[fading helm]

What did profane even mean

well profaned*

[magic epoch]

Dictionary
Definitions from Oxford Languages ·
pro·fane
verb
past tense: profaned; past participle: profaned
treat (something sacred) with irreverence or disrespect.
"it was a serious matter to profane a tomb"

[split mortar]

Her motive is to kill everything so there’s no more suffering

Purity fits more with old lore where she wanted ti burn all to ash to purify it all and remove sun iirc

[magic epoch]

oh i thought that the purjty thing still fit in the new lore

remove all blemishes and evil by Fucking Dying

[split mortar]

Maybe? I don’t see it but there could definitely be an argument

[indigo glade]

It does, but it is more of a perverted way of thinking of purification.

[magic epoch]

yeah

[indigo glade]

Best analogy would be the Great Flood story.

[snow mountain]

frenzied flame

its literally just the frenzied flame

[cloud ibex]

pretty much yeah

[manic coral]

we alreayd haven yharim

:/

[manic coral]

yeah it's basically the Flame of Frenzy

[split mortar]

That’s barely a big buff cyborg

[manic coral]

he's close enough dammit

[snow mountain]

my problem with cal lore is that it still lacks much originality, but it still suffices nonetheless

[split mortar]

Not really

[snow mountain]

i do wish it went with the feel of terraria though

[indigo glade]

Moray.

[split mortar]

Terraria lore is kinda

Not that existent

[snow mountain]

yeah but the game has a distinct feel to it

the way it handles stuff

cal lore is good lore but for the wrong game

imo

[split mortar]

Calamity doesn’t follow being terraria like so I don’t see why the lore has to be terraria like

[snow mountain]

its that disconnect that really irks me

[split mortar]

How would they make it more terraria like though

[snow mountain]

thats not really what i was getting at

[split mortar]

Then what were you getting at?

[snow mountain]

it feels almost embarrassed by being a mod for terraria

[snow mountain]

enough rhetoric

[split mortar]

I don’t get that
Maybe for old lore (Skeletron prime) but not in new lore

[random mulch]

calamity lore is still pretty wacky

[mighty zenith]

MORE

[snow mountain]

i just wish we had more light-hearted stuff tbh

[random mulch]

there's a robot guy centuries ahead of the rest of the world and you have to fight his oversized rgb gamer rigs cause he wants data

[manic coral]

no i dont like multiple chaarcters in a story being te same archetype

[mighty zenith]

:(

[indigo glade]

Moray Eel.

Peak comedy.

[split mortar]

Well
Calamity lore might just not be your sort of thing then if you want more light hearted stuff idk

[snow mountain]

the lihzahrds are a good example of this; they are hauled up in the jungle temple because of the bee infestation and their deathly allergy to stings

[snow mountain]

it just needs to mesh better with the base game

[split mortar]

They’re changing vanilla bestiary entries

[mighty zenith]

when has calamity ever meshed with the base game?

[split mortar]

They’re making the base game fit somewhat more with calamity

[mighty zenith]

this whole mod has been about shaping vanilla around itself since the start basically

[snow mountain]

it has always been the edgy terraria oc tbh

[mighty zenith]

it's moved from laughably edgy to just pretty cool edgy

[split mortar]

I don’t see that nowadays

[random mulch]

not always a bad thing to have a story that takes itself sorta seriously

[mighty zenith]

and it's not like calamity is devoid of funny shit

[untold oracle]

Haiii

[mighty zenith]

it's just not relevant shit

[snow mountain]

i guess it ties back to how it neglects the sandbox elements of terraria

[mighty zenith]

because the overall mood of the story is pretty grim

[snow mountain]

which is already neglected by the base game tbf

[mighty zenith]

wha?

[indigo glade]

If one of your points of Terraria lore being lighthearted is an out-of-game statement made purely as a joke, then I don't think you know how to make a good point.

[random mulch]

draedon seeing the sulfurous sea, deciding that it's already fucked so might as well dump uranium and active warheads in

[mighty zenith]

i'd argue cal lets you mess around like a sandbox MORE than vanilla

at least in hardmode

[spare pier]

Terraria Lore isn't lighthearted it's just fucked

[snow mountain]

bog off, you get the gist

[random mulch]

ah yes, the classic argument of "shut up"

[spare pier]

May I remind you that the "official" story had a whole ass genocide happening and to kill one of the main Bosses you must burn alive someone in the pits of hell

[split mortar]

@snow mountain just seems calamity lore ain’t your type of thing

[indigo glade]

And if your next arguement is to literally attack someone, then I don't think you have an arguement at all...

[snow mountain]

fair

[untold oracle]

Wait so what are we discussing

[split mortar]

Lore

[mighty zenith]

for once

[snow mountain]

enough, id rather not escalate this

[mighty zenith]

** **

[snow mountain]

fair

[spare pier]

Terraria is not lighthearted, the difference between it and Calamity is that Calamity treats itself far more seriously

[snow mountain]

coming from me

[split mortar]

Yeah can we not escalate this

[wheat walrus]

terraria isn't lighthearted it's just not serious

[untold oracle]

I find Calamity to be a very grim setting

[wheat walrus]

simpol

[snow mountain]

thanks for articulating it well actually

[wheat walrus]

yea fair

[snow mountain]

its kinda overly grim, and thats okay

[untold oracle]

The game takes place in the aftermath of a global-scale war that saw various acts of genocide and prosecution

I have no idea if there is an argument going on

[snow mountain]

not really, id say that it nearly became one

[split mortar]

Yeah nearly escalated but luckily didn’t

[snow mountain]

ive got the tmod experience

[cloud ibex]

i think this was an unnecessary jab

[wheat walrus]

I will point...

I have made a point cause I pointed

[cloud ibex]

omni please

i'm trying to be genuine here

[untold oracle]

No place for sincerity here!

[wheat walrus]

[untold oracle]

Sillies only!

[cloud ibex]

idc

[snow mountain]

so the most important point of what ive been saying is this; please god add lore that varies the tone a bit to a lighter one

its always gloom

[cloud ibex]

yea i think that's fair

[untold oracle]

Do you have any examples/ideas?

[split mortar]

Yeah that’s fair

[cloud ibex]

the souls games are actually a good example of this

[snow mountain]

its always like this civilisation fell because yharim and this civilisation declined

[untold oracle]

Braelor and Statis are silly roommates (basically couple)

[split mortar]

The cal npc dialogue overhaul may actually help this

[snow mountain]

yeah

[spare pier]

I think the Bestiary has a lot of silly shit but I digress

[cloud ibex]

every souls game is pretty much sopping wet with grim tone and bad shit happening and war and Existence Is A Living Hell and such

[snow mountain]

i do need to brush up on that actually

[indigo glade]

Moray.

[cloud ibex]

but it is very much not free from silly things

like fuckin

[snow mountain]

patches

[split mortar]

Because people cause silly shit

[spare pier]

Like, just

There are silly stuff

[cloud ibex]

elden ring has an absolute titan of a man with an army of loyal soldiers willing to wage war in his honor

[wheat walrus]

I managed to mispronounce silly shit as shilly sit

[mighty zenith]

moray eel entry is an obvious type of silly but there's more subtle ones like bloom slime

[split mortar]

Nah

[split mortar]

I am clueless

[mighty zenith]

bestiary is pretty varied and i like that, i think less important entries can get away with funny stuff

[indigo glade]

Baby fish being used to blow up things.

[cloud ibex]

and he himself is powerful enough to hold the very stars in stasis, even as his body and mind has been eaten from the inside by super cancer mold after his sister basically nuked him at point blank

[split mortar]

Fucking wha

[snow mountain]

whimsy

[split mortar]

Why is there suicide bombing children with the moray eels huh?

[untold oracle]

So silly :3

[indigo glade]

Cannonball Jellyfish. They also have a baby variant thats a critter.

[cloud ibex]

but he rides around on a dinky little stupid ass goofy horse and you read the item descriptions, and it turns out the horse is named Leonard and the dude learned gravity magic ENTIRELY so he wouldn't have to abandon his childhood pet

[mighty zenith]

what if i shot a jellyfish out of a mortar

[indigo glade]

Maybe we need to rename them into Mortar Jellyfish.

[snow mountain]

monotone lore needs to be broken up a little more noticably than bestiary entries imo

[cloud ibex]

in sekiro you're an edgy badass feudal cyborg shinobi who can rise from the dead, and one of the bosses he fights is a giant monkey who shits in its own hand and throws it at him

[snow mountain]

chimp behaviour

[mighty zenith]

that is what monkeys tend to do

[cloud ibex]

part of what makes Souls games so great tonally is that all the serious shit is contrasted with occasional insanely silly moments

[split mortar]

The lore items won’t change all that much since it’s yharim talking and neither will draetalk

So 2 big sources would make not much sense to be silly :(

[mighty zenith]

metal gear is a series that takes itself very seriously while being the stupidest shit imaginable at the same time

[snow mountain]

real

[spare pier]

I still think there are moments which are silly in retrospect like the fact that Plantera is Plantera

[split mortar]

True

[spare pier]

Or the fact that Yharim is racist

[fading helm]

Yharim is racist?

[spare pier]

Granted that one is funny to me because I realized it and was like

[snow mountain]

nerevar racist

[spare pier]

"Wait holy fuck"

[indigo glade]

Yes.

[fading helm]

what did he do

[split mortar]

Yeah, literally calls the lihzahrds below his people

[fading helm]

😭

[mighty zenith]

be racist

[manic coral]

When a fish bites your heel and it looks like an eel, that's a moray.
When it swims in the reef and has two sets of teeth, that's a moray.
When you're slapped in the face with a slimy embrace, that's a moray.

[spare pier]

He literally says the Lihzahrds are matters "beneath him and his people"

[manic coral]

real cal bestiary entry

[mighty zenith]

the rewrite peaked here

[spare pier]

It's funny because I realized it while writing the Lore Doc

I read that sentence and was like

"Wait he's just being racist"

[fading helm]

oh true

[snow mountain]

actual peak fiction

[fading helm]

completely forgot that

[manic coral]

yeah thats pretty much what ozz and i were going for

[mighty zenith]

tbf yharim being racist isnt very shocking'

[manic coral]

kind of subtle yet not so subtle racism

[snow mountain]

maybe yharim is racist against lihzahrds because of their apprehension and distaste towards bees

truly the bee advocate of all time

[split mortar]

You don’t start a world war on the basis of a group of people being evil without racism

[fading helm]

true true

[split mortar]

So true

[indigo glade]

You're telling me this person who killed entire nations over worshipping Gods is racist?!

[manic coral]

byeah cal does lean more serious than terraria but i still put in silly shit here and there becuase i mean

it's terraria

it's inherintly a bit of a silly game

[fading helm]

TBF how much gods were there to be considered an actual race

[snow mountain]

solar eclipse moment

[manic coral]

part of my personal issue with old lore is that it felt like it took itself way too seriously for being so connected to terraria

[split mortar]

Their worshippers were also targeted…

[untold oracle]

Will there be a lore mention of the notorious bunny statue lava slaughter machines

[snow mountain]

old lore was insufferable

that i agree with

[fading helm]

Yeah but that was like religionism not racism right?

[manic coral]

new stuff seems a lil generic in palces atm yeah though

[fading helm]

Let me check the definition

[split mortar]

Still targeted a group based on prejudicial views

[manic coral]

i will say one of my favrotie things in media is "thing that seems generic at first but as you learn more about it becomes anything but"

[cloud ibex]

i feel like they were too different and diverse to really be considered a race or a species

[manic coral]

though part of the issue with that is that

[cloud ibex]

radahn

[manic coral]

well it works better when it's aprt of an alreayd complete package

[snow mountain]

yup

[manic coral]

i was really expecting SSO to be done by the end of summer originally ngl

[split mortar]

Summer 2023?

[fading helm]

Did it get pushed back?

[manic coral]

so i bit the bullet on some stuff assuming that

[manic coral]

no we dotn do release dates

what happened was

[split mortar]

It’s getting a part 1 and 2

[manic coral]

.

[fading helm]

oh wait true summer is diff timezones there

[manic coral]

ok to be blunt

what happened was scopecreep

[sudden ruin]

[snow mountain]

i mean hobbyist mod development is pretty much toiling over scope creep

[sudden ruin]

we love scopecreep!!!!

[split mortar]

Let that happen with brimstone crags

[mighty zenith]

copecreep...

[sudden ruin]

im gonna be honest

i kinda love scope creep

[manic coral]

also we're having to solve a fair amount of lag issues

as of now like a lot of enemeis and abse worldgen work but it's

unoptimized

[fading helm]

the people shall play with 1000ms

[manic coral]

and pretty laggy

[sudden ruin]

like yes be passionate and create all you want i dont mind waiting 😇

[manic coral]

like soemtimes the game just doesn't for about 3 seconds

[snow mountain]

understandable

[manic coral]

mostly due to pathfinding sheinanagains

[fading helm]

btw what is going to come first the crags or the distortion

[dusk laurel]

Crags

[sudden ruin]

crags

[manic coral]

crags

[fading helm]

ah alr

[split mortar]

Crags

[manic coral]

Sunken Sea > Crags > Distortion

[fading helm]

after distortion there really isnt anything planned except yharim no?

[manic coral]

there are other things but they're a "maybe"

[split mortar]

I thought it was

Sso
Acid rain
Crags
Astral
Distortion

[manic coral]

and at this rate

probably not gonna happen

[fading helm]

F

[manic coral]

given that like

some of us just don't WANT to work on cal for that long

[snow mountain]

i do think stuff like superbosses shouldn't be hyped up so much

its inviting outrage

[fading helm]

Retcon the wrath of gods addon as canon

[snow mountain]

i mean its still a maybe but

[manic coral]

and ultimately i'll be pissed if we dont add noxus and xeroc after we do yharim

[fading helm]

Tbh i wouldnt mind not facing them

[snow mountain]

poor terraria, bloated beyond its limits

[sudden ruin]

some of us gotta step up and learn c# ….

[fading helm]

would like it if we could see them atleast tho

[manic coral]

imo those two ABSOLUTELY take priority over like. a profanded minibiome, more astral stuff, and somer overhauled abyss stuff

but also

i am a little biased

i jsut feel as though if they weren't there

[spare pier]

Sunken Sea was beyond all else a failure of management in the sense that the only thing that was actually set in stone for the majority of the update was the enemies. Just recently did I actually sit down and decide to write shit down

[manic coral]

the ending would be a lil bit

unsatisfying and empty?

like

[snow mountain]

i mean terraria does have a credits scrawl

[manic coral]

i do have an ending planned that i think is pretty damn good and i think i could havea fine one if it ended on yharim but

i dont think it'd be as good

[deft vessel]

MY PHONE IS ABOUT TO EXPLODE. AAAAAAAA

[untold oracle]

[split mortar]

Lmao

[fading helm]

offscreen the noxus and xeroc fight

🙏

[spare pier]

I think future updates will be able to be finished in like, half the time the Sunken Sea was because now we Actually Know How To Organize The Updates

And also how much we can chew

[snow mountain]

in the same vein, that could actually be a good idea

it could be used to bring more lightheartedness to cal

[fading helm]

Wonder how the cal credits will be like

[split mortar]

Cal credits would be cool if done

[fading helm]

oh true they aint guarranted

[snow mountain]

might actually ask redigit how they were implemented

for my own interests

[split mortar]

Infernum has credits

[fading helm]

it has?

[snow mountain]

in the same style as vanilla though

[split mortar]

Pretty sure yeah

[snow mountain]

right

[fading helm]

No way i didnt notice them

😭

[spare pier]

The main problem is just figuring out how the fuck to even articulate the credits because of how many people developed the Mod through time, how much stuff of theirs even is in the game right now, and all that stuff

[snow mountain]

fair

i need to remember that cal has had like at least

40+ contributors over its 8 years of development

[indigo glade]

40 is around the amount that are working on it now.

Lots of people have worked for Calamity.

[split mortar]

And also fan submits

[indigo glade]

True.

[untold oracle]

And also meeeee :3

[dusk laurel]

Dear god

[untold oracle]

I’m the most important

[indigo glade]

Contributors would increase it heavily.

[snow mountain]

god bless tomat for pushing for the mod to be open source

[manic coral]

yeah cal credits if it were to credit everybody who even contributed to the mod would be MASSIVE

and

to be honest, due to stuff like asset submissions beign to often is

is virtually impossible to keep track of

[ruby heart]

personally the biomes take priority

[sudden ruin]

i love biomes

[ruby heart]

calamity main issue rn is just how the game turn into a straight up boss rush later on

and adding noxus and xeroc without fixing that will only increase the issue

[sudden ruin]

i need more world

[ruby heart]

its bad even for storytelling

as everything is forced to be placed in walls of text as there is no exploration and stuff to tell the story

[frozen zodiac]

surely it wouldnt be a mighty number 9 type credits right

[ruby heart]

sunken sea is also like

6 minibiome updates in one

its chungus

[glacial rampart]

nichijou !

[ruby heart]

i expect stuff like perennial and profaned to take like 1/5 of the time

that sunken sea is taking

[devout grotto]

OH

OH

I've

Always misread "beneath" as "between" 😭

[split mortar]

lol

[split mortar]

Isn’t it 4?

[dusk laurel]

We only know 4 as of now

[random mulch]

i thought we only had 3

[ruby heart]

but yea for me the minibiomes and exploration stuff are really necessary

[devout grotto]

Ok but honestly?

[ruby heart]

principally post ml

and even work wise if im forced to work right after sunken sea on another mega biome like crags

i will explode myself

working on a smaller more self contained project is nice as a break

[devout grotto]

Imo if you want more lighthearted stuff, I say try writing lighthearted scenarios and stuff in the Calamity setting

[snow mountain]

triangargle thank you for mentioning this

[indigo glade]

We know of 5 areas. 3 without a name, Radiant Reefs and Timeless Shores.

[split mortar]

Huh

[ruby heart]

principally considering im doing most of the sunken sea work sprite wise, i really want to work on a small thing next

[split mortar]

I thought tit was

Timeless shores
Whatever replaces the normal sunken sea
Radiant reefs
Lava zone
(Not in height order)

[devout grotto]

Like my Seisai storyline isn't even 100% dark and gritty

[ruby heart]

there is more

[dusk laurel]

Did you know, not everything is public yet

[split mortar]

Fish lines nearly finished

[ruby heart]

ye

i mean

[devout grotto]

(For those who don't know, I'm making up countries in Terraria based on irl cultures that have their items in vanilla)

[ruby heart]

there is 2 other fish mines

[indigo glade]

Look at the image Triangle sent of sprite progress. You see Timeless Shores at the top, Radiant Reefs, two that are combined with Radiant Reefs (2 of the unnamed) and the other unnamed is Lava Zone.

[ruby heart]

but the other is like

half done

abyss... abyss i preffer if its left for later

[snow mountain]

one day cal will have boids

[ruby heart]

its better than sunken sea and sulph sea so its not as urgent

[snow mountain]

one day

[split mortar]

Ohh ok

[sudden ruin]

abyss sulph sea overhaul

[snow mountain]

water overhaul

[random mulch]

the background just being walls is kinda meh and the enemies are a bit bland but generation-wise the abyss already looks really good

[split mortar]

Do abyss, sunken sea and sulphuric sea in one update

SUPER SEA OVERHAUL

[dusk laurel]

Iverhaul

[split mortar]

-# don’t actually, I’m just messing around

[dusk laurel]

[ruby heart]

but ye after sunken sea i would like to finish

the acid rain stuff i was working on

same for sulph sea content

[sudden ruin]

yey

[indigo glade]

The Monkey's Paw curls...

Calamity will not get an update for 4 years.

[ruby heart]

i mean

abyss and sulphur also have a lot less content than sunken

(the sunken cost)

[sudden ruin]

yey

[dusk laurel]

Sunk cost fallacy

[split mortar]

Nice

The spoiler message you had sent ages ago of the final tier is pretty great so I’m excited for it

[ruby heart]

enemy wise abyss wont get a sunken sea treatment

it will be more of a redesign and polish the guys

[sudden ruin]

i fucjing love polish

[ruby heart]

not adding new creatures (or well some but like 3 new max)

sulphur sea is p much redesigning the 2 hardmode guys (killing their monopallete), 1 more guy to hm and then 2 new guys at post ml

[dusk laurel]

Not including the acid rain right?

Since that adds at least like 3 post-ml enemies

[ruby heart]

yea

[sudden ruin]

im interested in crabulonglegs

[ruby heart]

just base sulph sea

i learned a bit more about how to control the scope creep with sunken sea

so hopefully sulphur and acid rain wont be as janded

[split mortar]

Crabulon but legs for days

[split mortar]

Don’t think sulp sea can be as big as sso

[dusk laurel]

I think it's kinda obvious

[sudden ruin]

there should be a main underground mushroom biome where ur intended to fight crabulon methinks

i very often see crab get skipped

[split mortar]

That’s called any mushroom biome