lore-discussion

[fading helm]

He not beating goku

aint no one beating goku 🙏

[mighty zenith]

"Xeroc wasn't SUPPOSED to be an 'intruiging' character"

direct quote btw

[pliant ruin]

i could beat goku

[manic coral]

given the pfp i think you might be biased

[cosmic zenith]

I can solo Nomon

[wheat walrus]

platonism and platonic concepts are like essential ideals that are completely perfect and immovable and essentially beyond anything

[robust osprey]

wdym, king slime solos goku

[wheat walrus]

Dragon Ball AF is NOT real btw

[spring helm]

who the hell is deez

[spare pier]

😭

[cosmic zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/frieren-zoltraak-gif-7806679785772894376

[pliant ruin]

the CHARACTER wasnt supposed to be WELL WRITTEN

[spare pier]

"WHAT DO YOU MEAN THIS CHARACTER HAS DEPTH"

[cosmic zenith]

Nomon Deez Nuts

[fading helm]

https://tenor.com/view/super-saiyan5-dragon-ball-af-non-canon-gif-12182096

[hoary cape]

Old lore when the tundra was a nuclear winter

[wheat walrus]

who said that

[spring helm]

[robust osprey]

😭

[hoary cape]

Skill issue

[fading helm]

uh I tought I could send gifs

i did like

5 days ago

[hoary cape]

Nah you can't

[fading helm]

hm

I might be getting dementia

[mighty zenith]

some guy on reddit who replied to one of my year old messages 😭

[cosmic zenith]

How DARE them make a character narratively engaging!

[robust osprey]

NOO WHY DID THEY MAKE AN ACTUAL DEPTH CHARACTER RAAAH

[wheat walrus]

anyways yea Xeroc was not supposed to be CHARACTERIZED!!! IT IS JUST GOD AND THE STRONGEST!!!

[hoary cape]

You could have 5 days ago

[pliant ruin]

xeroc was supposed to me

[wheat walrus]

that happens

[pliant ruin]

to be me

[manic coral]

honestly i've gone from hoping to keep the attention of these sorts of people to going "fuck 'em i can attract a better audience"

[hoary cape]

But that was changed

[pliant ruin]

i'm xeroc

[hoary cape]

No you are cheese

[fading helm]

Yall glazing xeroc he is still a bum in my books no matter what he does 🙏

[pliant ruin]

hiii my name is xeroc

[split mortar]

So people saying things are above platonic concepts is like saying “my omnipotence+ beats your regular omnipotence”?

[manic coral]

mod abuse

[wheat walrus]

idk

[hoary cape]

Hello cheese

[hoary cape]

Who dares

[robust osprey]

godseeker yharim here we heard you're xeroc, OPEN THE DOOR!!!

[fading helm]

Is something more like im infinite layers into omnipotence boundless infinite above concepts and ficiton

Some people put doomslayer at that for example

[wheat walrus]

when you reach platonism talk in powerscaling it's just people using philosophy to explain who's stronger

[split mortar]

Wtf

[fading helm]

Nah its just seeing who can write more bs

[cosmic zenith]

I've always had the mentality of "I'll simply discuss and explain things logically, if people still choose to be irrational after I've presented valid points, it's not my concern"

[mighty zenith]

powerscaling is just kids saying "im infinitely stronger than you" and "no i'm infinity + 1 above you"

[spare pier]

This is also fucking hilarious because Nameless Deity is exactly Old Lore Xeroc is he was properly executed

[hoary cape]

Me with my brother when we try to one up each other

[fading helm]

Isnt nameless smth else

[manic coral]

ive long held that anything above "they can destroy the galaxy" is functionally meaningless story wise and any time people try to scale somebody past "can destroy a universe" it's basically just like. why though. it doesn't even make sense at that point.

[robust osprey]

I am infinite infinite above you

[split mortar]

That’s when it gets above universal

Below that there’s like actual math

[spare pier]

Like, this argument is wrong even if you thought Xeroc was a good character

[fading helm]

like he started as old lore xeroc

[wheat walrus]

imagine Plato and Socrates arguing about powerscaling

[cosmic zenith]

Of course, my points aren't flawless, and I'm more than open to be convinced with good arguments

[fading helm]

but became smth else

[wheat walrus]

yes

[gritty kraken]

the stronger a characters in a story are The better that story is🤑🤑🎰

[wheat walrus]

yes

[manic coral]

yeah ND is sort on some level just. what if old lore xeroc was well-executed.

[fading helm]

I mean tbh its not like powerscaling in any form matters for any story

[cosmic zenith]

I think galaxy and universe-level can work but it's really, really fucking tricky to make it so

[fading helm]

you can make a good story be it with like outerwhatever dudes or mountain destroyers

[wheat walrus]

the one time I think Boundless scaling works is with fucking

Cthulhu Mythos

[manic coral]

god i wish more people with goku pfps understood this

[wheat walrus]

lol

[pliant ruin]

madoka kana

[spring helm]

idk what you're talking about, just have them throw a punch and annhilate the universe, super easy

[pliant ruin]

gets shot and dies

[fading helm]

bro what is the beef with my people 😭

[manic coral]

listen

[wheat walrus]

but that's not goku that's af goku he's not real

[spare pier]

I disagree, powerscaling matters within itself in the sense that power levels need to make sense

Like

[manic coral]

i have been into dragon ball for like

[spare pier]

Pulling out One Piece

[fading helm]

yeah thats smth else

[manic coral]

over a decade

[split mortar]

I think the best reason a character may be made like outershit or boundless is cause they’re like the creator of everything

[mighty zenith]

goku pfps dont tend to be like

smart

[wheat walrus]

in-universe powerscaling

[manic coral]

i do bi-yearly rereads of the manga

.

[fading helm]

for example we cant have miwa beating gojo

[cosmic zenith]

Probably mentioned this at some point, but Demon Slayer has pretty low powerscaling as far as anime goes, and it's still really fucking good, especially in the action department (where you'd expect power to matter most)

[fading helm]

because it dont make sense

[spring helm]

oh i didnt know you were bi, that's cool

[manic coral]

there are a lot of really stupid dragon ball fans out there

[hot valve]

I think powerscaling works really well for worldbuilding and can show a character's growth over the story

[fading helm]

DS underrated as hell

[spring helm]

is it?

[manic coral]

true tehcncially every time i reread dragon ball it's a bi reread

[pliant ruin]

my favorite anime are the ones where the character are gay and sad

👍

[split mortar]

Isn’t it one of the most popular

[cosmic zenith]

Yeah it's really fucking popular lol

[spring helm]

wasnt it one of the most popular animes when it came out?

[fading helm]

people be saying its mid but i really like it

[indigo glade]

Madoka Magica?

[fading helm]

A lot of people say its mid

like not mid bad

but like

normal good

[pliant ruin]

it fits that category ye

[mighty zenith]

jojo

[fading helm]

idk how to put it into words

[split mortar]

That’s like

Anything popular though

[fading helm]

fair

[pliant ruin]

jojo isnt sad enough

its pretty gay though

[wheat walrus]

Miwa negs im sorry

[cosmic zenith]

People say it's mid just because they either don't entirely understand its story beats, or because they judge its story for not being super unorthodox

[mighty zenith]

it can be sad

[indigo glade]

"Mid" as in the literal meaning of "middle" or "average"?

[split mortar]

That’s why it’s popular

[mighty zenith]

joseph is gay and sad once

[fading helm]

average

[robust osprey]

idk about english speakers, but 90% of spanish speakers who watch anime likes DS

[hot valve]

Yeah i was gonna say jojo but it's honestly not often sad outside of character deaths

[pliant ruin]

it can be sad but its not sad enough

[fading helm]

I havent really been on the spanish ds comunity

[spring helm]

XEROCCCCC!?!?!?!?!

[pliant ruin]

hi i'm xeroc

[manic coral]

not an anime but cheese have you played VA-11 Hall-a

[robust osprey]

me neither, but I hav friends

[spare pier]

One Piece's powerscaling matter in the sense that Oda had to make sure that the Marine has enough power to fight against the pirates, which is achieved by exactly making the Marine have a vastly superior power than any individual pirate crew in the world.

But at the same time, the Marine is not powerful enough to be able to take down the strongest pirates because they'd leave themselves open to an attack by another pirate crew.

[cosmic zenith]

And well, you can have a pretty cliche story that still works really fucking well

[mighty zenith]

xanax

[split mortar]

WXCUSE ME WHAT THE FUCK DID YOU DO TO CHEESE

[wheat walrus]

assassins creed valhalla

[spare pier]

Powerscaling matters in this case because it's what sets the way the global powers interact

[pliant ruin]

no but i've heard of it

it seems interesting

[manic coral]

you'd like it

[robust osprey]

cheese deas

dead

[eager bluff]

deas

[manic coral]

it fits your criteria

[spare pier]

It's gay and sad

[fading helm]

Thats not really powerscaling tho

well it is

but its diff

[spare pier]

But also very funny

[cosmic zenith]

Doomed yuri no way

[wheat walrus]

it is silly

[eager bluff]

well not necessarily stronger than any but 90% of them yeah

[wheat walrus]

In-Universe Powerscaling

[fading helm]

you can have the marines be mountain, continent level or even above but it wont change the story

as long as the verse

[spare pier]

The Marine fucking annihilates any Pirate Crew and it's not even funny ngl

[fading helm]

also gets scaled with them

[spare pier]

Like, I must remind you

[wheat walrus]

yes that's not In-Universe Powerscaling

[robust osprey]

idk, the only thing I know is that blue slime is omnipotent+999

[fading helm]

Buggy betta

[spring helm]

I hate it

[manic coral]

with cal if yharim were like continent level it'd entirely change the story

[fading helm]

the only crew that could beat marines is maybe joyboy crew with pure headcanon

[eager bluff]

id say it would be pretty fuckin hard for the marine to be able to top shanks or the giant pirates

[wheat walrus]

depends on the day and season and maybe also the ambient temperature and a little bit of flavoring too...

[split mortar]

People on their way to still say yharim should be planet level minimum

[fading helm]

As long as you scale the other characters with him

[spring helm]

One time I looked at Rimiru’s vsbattle page and it was just every ability

[fading helm]

it shouldnt massively change

[wheat walrus]

trust me it was not

[split mortar]

Yes it would

[eager bluff]

not impossible obv but it would be nigh irreparable

[spring helm]

Okay I many have exaggerated a tiny bit

[split mortar]

No matter what

Many opponents would have ended the world by now

[spare pier]

||Sengoku and Garp willingly didn't do anything during Marineford, Whitebeard had help from Luffy's bullshit crew, the Schichibukai were fucking around doing nothing and some of them were actively fighting against them||

[wheat walrus]

I think we have to separate Attack Potency from Destructive Capacity in these cases...

[split mortar]

Dog and providence would end the world

[fading helm]

I dont think they would like the world to die tho

[spare pier]

||And they still won the war||

[split mortar]

PROVIDENCE LITERALLY WANTS THAT

[eager bluff]

well thats assuming they dont deploy ||the elders|| <-- massive op spoilers

[split mortar]

sorry for caps lock

[manic coral]

that's providence's entire schtick

[fading helm]

she gets stopped tho

[manic coral]

[fading helm]

trust

but fair i kinda forgot her

[split mortar]

She lives to the point where no one would be able to quick enough

[robust osprey]

I mean, mf black beard just popped on and killed white beard

[split mortar]

Dog would take the world out on his death as a giant fuck you

[eager bluff]

but tbf i dont actually know if they're part of the marine or just adjacent

[eager bluff]

incorrect

[spare pier]

I'm spoiling things for a reason, guys

[manic coral]

and then DoG if he were about to lose, if he could cause sucha level of destruction, would totally try to cause it before he died

[wheat walrus]

did it have transduality type 3 and daoism as well as other terms I didn't really care for...

[fading helm]

Upscale the world to make it many times larger

[manic coral]

good ol' frieza style

[split mortar]

Then scaling the characters up had no effect and thus might as well not happened

[indigo glade]

Spoiler-tagging peak...

[spring helm]

||Mihawk is MFTL when it comes to running away from anybody close to his level||

[spare pier]

And like yeah ||he was a Schichibukai ||

[cosmic zenith]

I think "all-powerful" (more like, magnitudes above the established power scales) beings only work in the following contexts:

• There's an ages-old tight balance between those forces keeping the universe as it is (really dangerous to write)
• It serves more symbolic purpose (like Iterators in Rain World)
• A subversion of their character where, while they're apparently untouchable, they do have flaws or weaknesses that are inherent to their nature or context (also like Iterators)

[proven rivet]

DoG-sized middlefinger

[manic coral]

and there had to be a point in the story where not MASSIVELY long ago Yharim and DoG were roughly on-par with Yharim being a bit stronger

[fading helm]

oh fr

[manic coral]

and so on and so on

[wheat walrus]

do what Monster Hunter Frontier did and go fuck-all with powercreep...

[proven rivet]

Yharim is stronger than Yharim

[cosmic zenith]

Rain World does "incomprehensibly godly" really fucking well

[robust osprey]

||true but he abandoned it like, some hours ago, but nobody knew so ||

[spare pier]

Exactly

[mighty zenith]

the earth in dragon ball solos all of calamity honestly

just the planet itself

[fading helm]

I mean any planet does

[manic coral]

so yeah making the scales of pwoer change too much would open about a bajillion plot holes in cal

[fading helm]

like if jupiter gained sentience

and attacked the cal world

[split mortar]

Truth from full metal alchemist?

[fading helm]

i think its wraps

[spare pier]

||The Marines were fighting without the Fleet Commander, Garp, and the Schichibukais while Whitebeard actively had help from Luffy's band of misfits||

[mighty zenith]

i mean the non sentient planet

[spare pier]

||And they won the war||

[gritty kraken]

God-like in comparison

[eager bluff]

||blackbeard did not kill whitebeard didnt he steal whitebeards devil fruit AFTER he was dead||

[proven rivet]

Majora's Moon vs Calami-

[manic coral]

my favorite dragon ball headcanon is that during peaceful years the dragons balls have been used to make the earth more durable against ki blasts

[spring helm]

||Akainu worked overtime to pull that win||

[manic coral]

[wheat walrus]

remember when fatalis and alatreon and whatever were among the strongests, now the most super-busted versions of them aren't even allat when compared to random bossfight that took 6 months to be considered remotely possible

[cosmic zenith]

My favorite take is the latter, because it gives those characters a lot of depth and can be thematically relevant

[mighty zenith]

||also bulma's ass||

god that plot point was fucking weird

[spare pier]

||He did finish him off tho||

[manic coral]

my favorite one about dragon ball uses before that was bulma using them to age herself down but that's not a headcanon anymore so

[fading helm]

I havent really seen any actual omnipotent characters/ absolutely strongest in a long time

[cosmic zenith]

🔥 ✍️

[manic coral]

Super Broly canonized that

[wheat walrus]

that canonized literally everything

[fading helm]

Wonder when we will see chi chi with white hair

[eager bluff]

||wait he did?? i thought whitebeard was dead because he got shot like 700 times hit with 50 cannonballs and stabbed thousands of times||

[fading helm]

Ui??¡¡

[robust osprey]

||and frieza wanted to grow some centimeters 😭||

[manic coral]

god Super Broly the best singular piece of dragon ball media

[mighty zenith]

my favorite thing might be frieza wanting to be slightly taller but not tall enough to be noticable

[wheat walrus]

based

[mighty zenith]

like i love how the entirety of super broly happens because frieza is insecure about his height

[fading helm]

Fusion reborn is my goat

[robust osprey]

||he was shot by black beard's crew||

[fading helm]

so obviously untrue

[spare pier]

But like, yeah no I think ||given the Marine performance during Marineford and how much on the backfoot they were, it's entirely fair to say they would curbstomp any Pirate Crew if they actually fought with everything they had, SPECIALLY NOW||

[manic coral]

Fusion Reborn does have Adolf Hitler so that is funny

(this sounds so wild out of context)

[fading helm]

[spare pier]

||May I also remind you that 1 Admiral, a few Seraphim, a fleet and CP0 was enough to make Luffy's entire crew go||

[mighty zenith]

me when hitler has more screentime in fusion reborn than any of the main villains

[eager bluff]

||like i very much remember blackbeard showing up after everything had happened||
||though maybe he came back afterwards its been a long time since i read those chapters||

[wheat walrus]

if sigma kids catched onto that...

[manic coral]

Janemba's design also fucks

like

massively

[spare pier]

||"Yeah no we have to get the fuck away from here we ain't winning this"||

[fading helm]

whatt

its amazing

wdym

[mighty zenith]

z gogeta is like

[wheat walrus]

fucks =/= sucks

[manic coral]

"fucks" as in

[mighty zenith]

my favorite fusion in the series

[manic coral]

amazing

[mighty zenith]

by far

[split mortar]

How is there mods and this hasn’t been yeeted to general?

[spring helm]

This is not beating the “90% of Hitler mentions are in lore discussion” allegations

[fading helm]

tought he just misspelt

[manic coral]

i prefer Vegito

[mighty zenith]

not only is the entrance hard as fuck

[manic coral]

sorry

[mighty zenith]

but the fit is just so good

[fading helm]

fat gogeta >>>

[split mortar]

Not complaint but realised wow yeah how has this convo not been nuked

[spare pier]

We should probably move to general now that you mention Melon

[wheat walrus]

ain't that veku

[fading helm]

true

[split mortar]

Soorgy

[manic coral]

fake Fusion Reborn fan

that's Veku

[mighty zenith]

im gonna go to sleep now actually

[wheat walrus]

slow ass I said that first...

[robust osprey]

||yeah even with chopper's giant beast mode ||

[fading helm]

I dont remember names dawg i havent seen the movie in like 10 years 😭

[mighty zenith]

have fun being offtopic (dont actually)

[split mortar]

Deku is fat in dragonvalll?

[fading helm]

also im a db fan

i cant read

[manic coral]

well i last saw it 10 months ago so

[fading helm]

nor see

[manic coral]

ha

[wheat walrus]

so slow it's Super Slowed + Reverb

[manic coral]

fake fan

[mighty zenith]

i watched it like 2 months ago for the first time

right after bio-broly

[wheat walrus]

bio broly is peak fiction

honestly

[fading helm]

we dont meniton that

[fading helm]

[manic coral]

byeah Super Broly is great because like honestly i enjoy when stories in DB feature Goku and Vegeta as side characters rather than main chaarcters or have somebody as equally the main character as said

like

[proven rivet]

Kirby Right Back at Ya*

[wheat walrus]

not even goku black and zamasu was this peak fiction and deep story and characters trust me

[manic coral]

Granolah

[mighty zenith]

i dont know how they fumbled so hard
i also dont know why they were so obsessed with goten and trunks

[manic coral]

right after what

[wheat walrus]

what tf is that...

[manic coral]

sorry never heard of it

must not exist

[mighty zenith]

idk i think i got a brain fart

[wheat walrus]

you're missing out on peak fiction

[proven rivet]

The Kirby anime

[mighty zenith]

right after bojack

[fading helm]

You know the broly second coming was rather good movie but it isnt really memorable

it gets reallly overshadowed by the first one

[split mortar]

Kirby anime

[manic coral]

one of my favorite jokes TFS have made is the implication that in DBZA, Second Coming and Bio Broly never happen

[mighty zenith]

second coming has broly getting pissed on

[fading helm]

bio broly is infamous atleast

[fading helm]

what

[mighty zenith]

im not kidding

[wheat walrus]

yea

[manic coral]

The first broly movie is fine i guess. like it's COOL but it's not much aside from that.

[split mortar]

What kind of hardmode crimson tome were they smoking

[wheat walrus]

broly was a beast, like mr beast

mr broly

[mighty zenith]

ngl z broly is a massively overhated character

i think second coming just kinda ruined the way people view him

[manic coral]

ok but Dead Zone has Krillin getting pissed on

[fading helm]

i dont think people hate him

[manic coral]

he's fine i guess

[fading helm]

most people like him

[manic coral]

too much of an edgelord for my tastes

but

i don't think he's AWFUL

[fading helm]

I cant lie i was obsessed with the LSSJ

that shit was like

mindblowing for me

[mighty zenith]

i think he's better than super broly in their respective movies honestly

[fading helm]

idk why

[manic coral]

aside from his origins and motivations which i'd argue. ngl. wraps around to "so bad it's good" territory

[wheat walrus]

anyways rented the #general-media channel for this offtopic conversation since general-talk is already taken by one piece talk

[mighty zenith]

i like super broly but half his dialogue is screaming

[wheat walrus]

[fierce pagoda]

He got some development in the manga

[mighty zenith]

okay yeah move to #general-media

gotta stop being offtopic finally

[fading helm]

true

[manic coral]

ok but it has the funniest joke in all of Super beign the whole "OH NO BROLY A STRAY BEAM HIT YOUR FATHER"

byeah

back on topic

[fading helm]

cei

question

[manic coral]

sup

[fading helm]

How many souls like the one polterghast merged from

[mighty zenith]

also frieza getting his shit rocked which is always fun

[fading helm]

need to be taken to kill yharim

[manic coral]

a lot

[wheat walrus]

at least 3

[manic coral]

oh

[fading helm]

give me an aproximate number

[manic coral]

still a lot

[fading helm]

1 million?

[manic coral]

idk

[fading helm]

10 million

[manic coral]

i havent thought about this

[mighty zenith]

all of them

[fading helm]

dang it

[split mortar]

Find it funny how the power of lore writers ranting completely nukes the mods ability to mod and they just join in

[wheat walrus]

8 billion

[mighty zenith]

[fading helm]

Got any idea on how much souls polterghast is made from then?

or nah

[manic coral]

nope

[wheat walrus]

nothing happened in 7 december 2024

[fierce pagoda]

How big would the number be to be believable for you?

[manic coral]

my autism is infectious

[split mortar]

Lmao

[proven rivet]

Was there a Dragon of Darkness?

[split mortar]

Mine might be slightly infectious aswell

[manic coral]

probably

[fading helm]

i will assume that 1 polter = 500.000 souls
so around like 20 polters

[split mortar]

Isn’t that zeratros

[fading helm]

so like

whats that

10 million

[spring helm]

it took me this long to figure out what the date meant

[fading helm]

around there

[wheat walrus]

people die of infections...

[fierce pagoda]

wow thats a lot of souls

[proven rivet]

That's literally the opposite

[spare pier]

There isn't actually, we discussed this in Dev one day

[split mortar]

Zeratros has control of shadows and primordial light and so does Xeroc

[wheat walrus]

they never violated the rights of humans...

[spare pier]

Zeratros encompasses Light and Darkness

[spring helm]

but i thought zeratros only controlled primordial light

[manic coral]

counterpoint

[fading helm]

Bum ass dragon tbh

[split mortar]

And the shadows

[manic coral]

there's a dragon of frost and a dragon of flame

[fading helm]

he got power cliffed by hardmode slime

[spring helm]

where is the dragon of regular light

[proven rivet]

So Xeroc is the god of Primordial Light and Darkness?

[wheat walrus]

Velkhana VS Teostra...

[manic coral]

by the same logic that shouldnt by possible

[fading helm]

I mean a flame means fire

frost could mean just cold

[wheat walrus]

Velkhana the goat will beat Teostra for real

[split mortar]

Simple

Domain sizes aren’t equal

[spare pier]

Yeah we set a precedent of there being opposing Dragons but Zeratros doesn't have one because the Auric Soul of Light just didn't split between Light and Darkness

[wheat walrus]

simple domain

[spare pier]

Yeah, I mentioned that

[manic coral]

i disagree but we can cover this somewhere else later

im taking a break from cal stuff atm so

[fading helm]

btw is it true xeroc cooled the sun down?

[split mortar]

Oh ok

[split mortar]

Yes

[fading helm]

i heard it somewhere on the subreddit

idk if its true

[wheat walrus]

he sucks if he did

[manic coral]

written enough for today

[spare pier]

I think a Dragon of Darkness just really brings a lot of problems to the story

[wheat walrus]

no fucking way bro using reddit as a source of lore...

[split mortar]

The opposite
Made it possible for humans to live on surface

[fading helm]

no obv

[wheat walrus]

I will beat you up immediately

maybe even ban you from there for your own safety

[fading helm]

Its too late for that

[manic coral]

i mean the subreddit is actually fairly knowedgeable nowadays

[wheat walrus]

yes that sucks

[cosmic zenith]

Counterpoint: the World Soul was shattered, not necessarily evenly

[manic coral]

except for some people

[wheat walrus]

true it grew somewhat but not much

[manic coral]

ok again not discussing this here

this is not the place

[cosmic zenith]

Fair

[wheat walrus]

leddit

[spare pier]

A counterpart to Zeratros opens a very big can of worms that'd likely put into question a lot of the stuff we have written and would probably require a fully fledged story to explain what the fuck was up with the guy

[manic coral]

.

[fading helm]

Weddit actually because the art is goated

[spare pier]

Yeah, just wanted to throw that here

[manic coral]

again

[proven rivet]

This

[spring helm]

not the lore gatekeeping

[fading helm]

we dont talk about #spriting-and-art

[cosmic zenith]

There's not really Primordial Darkness

[wheat walrus]

6 years, time to let it go...

[fading helm]

I think he means the reddit stuff

[split mortar]

Was talked about a hour or two ago

While dragons were ruling the sun was much harsher, so bright infact that 18 hours was day and 6 hours was twilight and night didn’t exist

But after the dragons died and xeroc became god of the sun the sun is how we see it in game

[cosmic zenith]

There's just

Darkness

[manic coral]

ok for the final time some stuff here has alreayd bene implied that shouldnt be public knowdge

can we PLEASE stop

[spring helm]

oh ok

[manic coral]

[spring helm]

lol

[split mortar]

Oh…

[proven rivet]

Yeah I meant just darkness

[spring helm]

lmao even

[fading helm]

Leak all the lore trust

[manic coral]

this srota stuff kills my motivation to write entirely

[fading helm]

nvm

[wheat walrus]

dragon of dragons

[split mortar]

Oh sorry?

[cosmic zenith]

Could you tell me what in DMs

[fierce pagoda]

Why are you apologizing lmao, you didnt leak anythnig

[cosmic zenith]

Because I don't think we implied anything

[spring helm]

alright other lore discussion

[spare pier]

I don't think I implied anything that shouldn't be public here, but anyways

[wheat walrus]

im sigma sigma

[fading helm]

Counter point you are not sigma

[spring helm]

my headcanon is that for living things the soul is what makes mana

[split mortar]

I did talk about zeratros having both dark and light

[wheat walrus]

I will fucking kill you oofy2

[fading helm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1259995508546474068/1276576619061973033/caption.gif

[spare pier]

Hey guys did you know Yharon had a brother named Yharan and he was the Dragon of Unbirth?

[spring helm]

not clicking that

[eager bluff]

i saw what you deleted gif

[spring helm]

oh god

[wheat walrus]

where is the dragon of birth...

[split mortar]

That’s a uh

Horrific thought

[fading helm]

isnt that yharon

oh no

he was rebirht

[wheat walrus]

no because rebirth implies it happened before

birth is the first one

[eager bluff]

i dont know if im thinking of the right thing here but if i am good god

[split mortar]

Birth
Unbirth
Rebirth

So much birth

[fading helm]

Thats probably life then

was there a dragon of death actually?

[wheat walrus]

stop giving birth...

[fading helm]

or does it all get encompassed by dragon of life

[split mortar]

Ravagers dragon

[eager bluff]

yeah rav ate it

[spare pier]

Actually I kinda cooked with Dragon of Unbirth ngl

[split mortar]

Ravager nommed it

[spare pier]

That sounds like one hell of a horror story

[fading helm]

ohhh

[gritty kraken]

Yharon but his egg were like indestructible so he couldn’t get out

[split mortar]

Death went to sacrifices

[wheat walrus]

wouldn't that just be abortion

[spare pier]

No it'd be Miquella

[fading helm]

Surprisingly a not so powerful dragon then

[wheat walrus]

what the

elden rigma

[fading helm]

being pre moon lord and all

[split mortar]

No birth but reversed

[split mortar]

Ravager is being made post providence

[eager bluff]

remember that rav also died

[fading helm]

well tbf ravager is like a bootleg version of the actual god

[spare pier]

Rebirth = Being born again
Unbirth = Never being born

[dusk laurel]

It's stronger I think

[fading helm]

Oh fr?

[spare pier]

An abortion is stopping a birth midway through so no

[split mortar]

Death dragon had a death aura

So stay like a mile close to it you fucking die

[dusk laurel]

yes

[spring helm]

it's called aura bruh

[cloud ibex]

uzumaki

[wheat walrus]

boiii what you say bout aura

[fading helm]

He has haki

[split mortar]

Ima be real

I may have had a worse image for unbirth

[cloud ibex]

no haki would mean they pass out

[wheat walrus]

unbirths you

[cloud ibex]

not just straight up die

[fading helm]

its really strong haki

like ssj4 haki

[eager bluff]

i also had a much worse idea of it

[cloud ibex]

i think maybe it's time we talked about something else

😁

[split mortar]

Uh yeah

[fading helm]

would yharim be able to conquer the ilmerian kindom without cal eventually?

assuming he didnt give up

[eager bluff]

i mean

yes

[wheat walrus]

kindom

like kinder

[fading helm]

alr omni

you are going back to powerscaling

[eager bluff]

but also it would take an ungodly amount of time if he did it on his own

[fading helm]

https://tenor.com/view/ekko-arcane-chad-league-of-legends-gif-5103514844172529980

[split mortar]

Yeah, scal was just like the easiest route and quickest

[eager bluff]

epic embed fail

[fading helm]

its not a fail

[wheat walrus]

why

[harsh helm]

Epic embed fail

[eager bluff]

even if he brought the army with it would end up with probably uncountable casualties

[fading helm]

I think he couldnt do it tbh

considering azafure would go down

he would have lost the war in my opinion

[wheat walrus]

man yharims a fodder just tame gigas and raid ilmeris with c4s

[fading helm]

atleast he would have needed to retreat

[eager bluff]

not necessarily

[fading helm]

I mean he loses draedon he never gets scal

and yharon obv wasnt enough

i very much doubt he would conquer ilmeris ever

Dont think he would get conquered obv

[split mortar]

Scal took a few weeks to boil illmeris iirc

So like

Yharon could have actually done something in the lore if scal didn’t appear

[fading helm]

Nah it took a lot more rpetty sure

Also he had yharon for like 80 years before that and he couldnt burn it still

I think it took like the whole end portion of the war

[split mortar]

Rebecca said a few weeks like last night or the day before

[eager bluff]

no it took her about a month

[fading helm]

@wheat walrus do you remember how much it took

[wheat walrus]

time it took for scal to burn down ilmeris is unknown

[fading helm]

or has it been changed

[eager bluff]

like about a month at most

[wheat walrus]

there is no established date

we just know it took some time

not how much time

[fading helm]

well in any case yharon was around for years before scal

and he still couldnt

[eager bluff]

also consider that yharim had priorities other than just ilmeris

[wheat walrus]

it could've been days or weeks or months or maybe over a year

[split mortar]

This

[fading helm]

Feel like that is more so an offhand comment icl

[wheat walrus]

that is not hard-canon though

[spring helm]

where tf was Yharon when his homeboy was getting jumped by Ant-Man and Naruto

[fading helm]

Ilmeris was top priority pretty sure

[wheat walrus]

we kinda just forgot that dev statements are never hard-canon

and they can be changed

[fading helm]

well we dont really know much bout other gods tb

f

[eager bluff]

its not like he was constantly invading ilmeris

[fading helm]

nah that cei DB powerlevel of cal characters still stands trust

🙏

[split mortar]

It was like 4 days ago so it’s unlikely time would have changed it

And it’s the best guess we have

[eager bluff]

it was more of a thing of yeah i want to get rid of this place but its not feasible to do right now so im not gonna try

[indigo glade]

"A few weeks" isn't exactly... concrete...

Two is a few.

So is ten.

[fading helm]

We dont really know much about the whole crusade afaik

[stark basalt]

Hard canon means ? Immutable information?

[indigo glade]

So is around twenty-five or so.

[fading helm]

yeah

[split mortar]

That’s not a few that’s a lot of weeks

[indigo glade]

There is no defined definition for "few".

[wheat walrus]

what couldn't be changed is stuff that is implemented in the game, and even then that's not entirely true since stuff like EoL will be rewritten, and also I guess lore items and the information they hold will be spread around different ingame sources and lore items removed; also lore items themselves aren't always hard-canon/truth since Yharim has been seen lying

[wheat walrus]

pretty much, stuff that is entirely canon

[fading helm]

Btw what do you all think calamitas was doing after she left yharim but before she battled us

[hoary cape]

Few is basically 3+

[fading helm]

yall think she was helping people, sulking or what

[hoary cape]

Magic

[wheat walrus]

especially stuff that won't just be changed due to not being entirely confirmed

[split mortar]

It’s a small number of

[indigo glade]

And how much is a small number.

[eager bluff]

not really
but its not hard to extrapolate that he didnt have the resources to do so
he didnt really care which gods died when, just that they died

[fading helm]

If he didnt have the resources then that also means yharon couldnt have really done it feasibly

[wheat walrus]

usually "a few weeks" tends to refer to less than a whole month, but yea "a few" is highly variable

[fading helm]

a few weeks is like 4 or 2 for me

you cant really say 1 month

it doesnt really matter I doubt rebecca said a few weeks meaning like 29 weeks

[wheat walrus]

usually anywhere between 2 to 3 to 4 weeks yea, if it reaches a whole month or more then why say a few weeks instead of a month

[split mortar]

A not big number

Generally depends on what is being considered when said with few

For weeks I would say more then 7 is too high since months could start being used to describe the time instead and well 7 weeks is a decently long time for going fishing

[hoary cape]

Imagine not going fishing for years

[dusk laurel]

Fish Weaver

I have no evidence to back my claim, but fish

[hoary cape]

Fimish

[fierce pagoda]

If we assume that most dragons had a counterpart

what could have been the dragon of greeds counterpart

[faint plank]

sacrifices?

[fierce pagoda]

I was thinking something like a dragon of generosity maybe

[faint plank]

true

[fierce pagoda]

I got thinking of this idea that some domains are "negative" in the sense that they are usually undesirable traits, like greed for example

and death would also fit that category

that got me thinking of what would the opposite look like, Dragons with inherently "positive" traits, like Life for example

the concept of every force having an opposite and positive side leads to there being domain counterparts, and in turn dragon counterparts

and then we have Zeratros, with no countepart at all

so even among dragons, Zeratros is an anomaly

[pliant ruin]

this is funny to think about bc going with the logical assumption that dragon of frost is the "negative" of dragon of flame

we have:
dragon who's an absolute jerk

and on the other hand we have

dragon who's an absolute jerk

wow :D

[fierce pagoda]

What a contrast!

[pliant ruin]

And then there's life and death which i assume were both p chill

[fierce pagoda]

why are you Xeroc

[pliant ruin]

i mean i think we know death was chill right?

i am xeroc

[fierce pagoda]

Was death chill because people around him drove him away

so he was forced ot be lonel

[pliant ruin]

he isolated himself specifically not to hurt others didn't he

[indigo glade]

You should know which dragons are and aren't chill.

[dusk laurel]

^^^^

[pliant ruin]

why would i do i look like i'm xeroc or something

[dusk laurel]

[fierce pagoda]

[indigo glade]

Have you not recorded every written and oral account in a digital manner?

[pliant ruin]

why would i do that???? i have no association with any cryptic robotic researchers that would do that sort of stuff ...

[dusk laurel]

[indigo glade]

You're still called "draedon"...

[pliant ruin]

yknow im just gonna change my nickname to the most powerful character in the cal lore

[sudden ruin]

gaedon

[fierce pagoda]

isnt there a limit to how many times you can change your name in a short period

[indigo glade]

We all know that is Providence, because of the power of yuri.

[indigo glade]

These are server nicknames. There is no cooldown.

[pliant ruin]

btw where there any lore drops while i was doing stuff

[dusk laurel]

Grubby?!??!?!?!?

[fierce pagoda]

Oo lala

[indigo glade]

No.

[pliant ruin]

sad

[fierce pagoda]

Apparently discussing that Zeratros had no counterpart made Cei say that it was implying some stuff hat wasn't intended to be public

so i guess that means something

[indigo glade]

Just that Zeratros being able to control darkness is actually not confirmed and that they needed to further discuss that.

[pliant ruin]

ic

[dusk laurel]

Oh okay

I was half paying attention to lore discussion earlier, didn't see that

[pliant ruin]

lmao i accidentaly changed my username

ok there

i'm keeping it as this

[dusk laurel]

Are you a fan of yuri the concept or Yuri the character

[I know the answer]

[fierce pagoda]

Yuri on ice!

[pliant ruin]

the incineration lasting a few weeks is crazy

poor fish 😭

[dusk laurel]

Yeah,,,

[indigo glade]

Why are the fish poor? Are they stupid???

[cloud ibex]

yes

can't get employed

💔

[dusk laurel]

You're a fish

[indigo glade]

I am not.

[pliant ruin]

i mean

if we're being technical here

you are

[fierce pagoda]

Damn Scal is so fucked up

she was probably incinerating with a dead face

[indigo glade]

No, I am not.

[fierce pagoda]

probably heard the screams but dgaf

[indigo glade]

I predate the concept of terrestial fish.

[fierce pagoda]

and kept going

[dusk laurel]

You are an arthropod

How about that

[indigo glade]

Also wrong.

[dusk laurel]

What are you, a slug?

[fierce pagoda]

I don't think seeker is anything that formed on earth

they have been since before the universe existed

[pliant ruin]

i am cheese

[fierce pagoda]

no you are yuri fan

[pliant ruin]

i am cheese and i am also yuri fan

[dusk laurel]

I am an ice cream, apparently

[pliant ruin]

hi ice cream

[fierce pagoda]

no you're an oyster

[dusk laurel]

Hi yuri fan

[dusk laurel]

I am an oyster as much as Yharim is the Jungle Tyrant

[pliant ruin]

so you used to be an oyster but now are a entirely unrelated concept

[dusk laurel]

Yeah

[fierce pagoda]

you evolved

[dusk laurel]

I can't imagine how many fish species we lost in the Incineration

[fierce pagoda]

if there ever was a dragon who could create black holes which would itbe

oh right the gravity dragon

[dusk laurel]

And all of the other non-fish too

[pliant ruin]

rest in peace illmeran dogfish

[fierce pagoda]

you think the gravity dragon could create black holes on command?

[indigo glade]

Giving out my thoughts and prayers to those fish.

[dusk laurel]

🙏

[pliant ruin]

Well if it did that it would probably be completely busted

so no not really

[fierce pagoda]

what if it were onlly really small and short lived ones

would it still be crazy

no it probably would actually

you think they could call down meteors from the sky at least?

like applying gravity to a meteor and have it fall to earth

[cloud ibex]

one piece.....

[fierce pagoda]

actually that would require them having an insane range

yeah i was thinking of fujitora

[dusk laurel]

Don't summon her

[cloud ibex]

i have no reason to fear she who stinks

[eager bluff]

@spare pier stinky

[spare pier]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/767950470874398720/956000393773604874/E7cOxZZWQAE_I3C.gif

[wheat walrus]

those who stink ☠️

[real silo]

hi reb 💥

[cloud ibex]

they could probably at the very least apply sudden gravity to things or throw them around

[fierce pagoda]

🥭 🦨

[wheat walrus]

mango mango mango mango 🗿

[cloud ibex]

or sentence them to death by either suffocating in space or floating out of their range and plummeting to their death

[fierce pagoda]

yeah bro was cracked

regardless of black holes or not

[indigo glade]

I'm bored.

Someone give me a prompt that I can turn into a short story.

[pliant ruin]

calamitas making ice cream

[dusk laurel]

Permafrost raising krill

[cosmic zenith]

Rookie adventurer finds mysterious ruins and accidentally unleashes an ancient living weapon, later finding and being scolded by an experienced adventurer who found the same site and hearing the legends of said weapon; cliffhanger with the adventurers wondering what havoc it may cause while the living weapon flies away towards the sunset

[real silo]

Blossom flu

x

[indigo glade]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1invZH8gnx9iAvX_uZxh-6rW9T5Rk56R8YQnm7TePfKM/edit?tab=t.0

[pliant ruin]

holy based

[dusk laurel]

Peak

[indigo glade]

Permafrost's request from Yharim was very urgent.

[spring helm]

I'm imagining Cal's like 4 feet tall when this happened

gremlinlamitas

[spring helm]

✍️ 🔥

[light linden]

I thought she was 3 foot and 11 inches tall?

[sudden ruin]

wtf

shes 5’4

[pliant ruin]

that's like the size of a toddler

3'11 i mean

[sudden ruin]

like me

[pliant ruin]

idrm how tall i am

[dusk laurel]

[pliant ruin]

i'm not that tall but i'm also not comically short

[light linden]

I'm like 6'3

[dusk laurel]

What.

[sudden ruin]

5’4 isnt comically short…

[pliant ruin]

I think i'm somewhere in the 5' range

[light linden]

might be 6'4 by now

[pliant ruin]

I'M NOT SAYING YOU'RE COMICALLY SHORT

[light linden]

been a few months since I've measured my height

[light linden]

tiny

[light linden]

pretty sure I've said this before

[dusk laurel]

I'm 5'5

[sudden ruin]

spinal surgery type shit

[indigo glade]

Things are about to get ridikrillous.

[pliant ruin]

how mantastic

[faint plank]

si-

[dusk laurel]

[sudden ruin]

what the fish

[dusk laurel]

Fishomatic

[light linden]

tiny

[pliant ruin]

you've gotta be squidding me

[light linden]

microscopic even

[small citrus]

TUNA

[sudden ruin]

5’5 isnt tiny 🍋

[indigo glade]

Thank you, Lilac.

[faint plank]

🍣

[dusk laurel]

Salmon

Yummers

[sudden ruin]

my cat loves tuna

[pliant ruin]

i like tuna

and salmon

and fish

ilike fish. fish are cool

[sudden ruin]

i dont eat fosh

[light linden]

random thing btw

what was polter's old lore?

[pliant ruin]

i think polter didn't actually change too much?

[sudden ruin]

has the lore changed at all

[pliant ruin]

atleast not in base concept

[light linden]

ngl

[pliant ruin]

im p sure it was still a amalgamation of angry souls who wanted to kill yharim even then

[light linden]

I'm not too sure if I like its concept being changed

[sudden ruin]

its not

being changeed

[pliant ruin]

I mean it wasn't changed

[light linden]

it's getting reworked and resprited

[sudden ruin]

yeah

[pliant ruin]

It actually stayed p close to what it was in old lore i think?

[sudden ruin]

still same thing

[light linden]

cause ngl

[dusk laurel]

Ghost Plantera is bad

[pliant ruin]

Well it's getting redesigned yeah

Because the current design is uh

not good

[sudden ruin]

its fine 💔

[light linden]

I like its current design because it's like an angry ghost chasing you through the dungeon

[dusk laurel]

Then what's the issue, other than no longer chasing you

[sudden ruin]

it will be like that with rework

p sure

[pliant ruin]

Has it's charm but objectively speaking it's a recolor of a mostly unrelated boss without much actual thought put into it other than "Make plantera but like its blue and a ghost" - It's a relic of the past atp

[sudden ruin]

but perchance more fleshy

[light linden]

also if they take away the smg2 music I will cry

[pliant ruin]

It's gonna likely transition to a ghostier form in the later phases too

[sudden ruin]

the. creature

yeah i forgot to say that part

[dusk laurel]

^

[sudden ruin]

i was going to but i decided id rather say the creature

[dusk laurel]

I need to rewrite the Polterghast section in the doc tomorrow...

[pliant ruin]

the creature

[sudden ruin]

spider polter

[dusk laurel]

la creatura

[sudden ruin]

climbing on the dungeon walls

[dusk laurel]

It has a seal put on it apparently

[ruby heart]

current desing is a blue scarab beetle made out of bricks

🥹

[dusk laurel]

Hai Tringle

[ruby heart]

it dont tell anything

[pliant ruin]

yeh its like i said
it dosent have any thought put into it rly

its just

make plantera

but blue and a ghost

its a relic of the past atp

[ruby heart]

do you look at current polter and see a bunch of prisioners tormented soul amalgamation

no

[light linden]

yes

[ruby heart]

you see blue plantera beetle with bricks

[light linden]

tbf

[pliant ruin]

back when cal bosses where

The Twins but made of Fire

[ruby heart]

it dont tell anything

[sudden ruin]

right triangle is polter coming along nicely…

[light linden]

I don't think it looks like plantera

[ruby heart]

i will work on him after the fish mines

[ruby heart]

[pliant ruin]

It... kinda objectively looks like plantera

[light linden]

fish mines?

[spring helm]

when is green calamitas dropping

[pliant ruin]

It has the same bodyplan, uses the same base sprite

[light linden]

like mines for fish?

[pliant ruin]

Has "hooks"

[sudden ruin]

get back to fishin tringle

[indigo glade]

Oh, right.

[dusk laurel]

[indigo glade]

No images.

[light linden]

mines where fish work?

[pliant ruin]

Has a big split mouth jaw thing

[dusk laurel]

No

[ruby heart]

its a new subbiome

where you can find living fishes

[light linden]

or like landmines made of fish?

[ruby heart]

that mine

[indigo glade]

#calamity-update-talk message

[pliant ruin]

The new fish mines sub biome

[dusk laurel]

Triangle is spriting a lot of fish

[ruby heart]

they were placed there by yharim to acquire auric ore

its a really sad story

[sudden ruin]

its like hollow night crystal peaks

[pliant ruin]

You can find ghost illmeran miners there... trust

[light linden]

I

[indigo glade]

Phase Two Plantera...

[light linden]

I don

I don't know what the hell

[sudden ruin]

trust

[ruby heart]

polterghast is being moved to fish mines too

[pliant ruin]

the fish mines

[ruby heart]

redesignd to a ghostly fish

[sudden ruin]

fuck yeah

[ruby heart]

the suffering of the fishes made polterghast

[spring helm]

you know what that means
FISH—

[light linden]

?

[pliant ruin]

im

[dusk laurel]

Fishghast

[pliant ruin]

😭

[ruby heart]

old duke will talk a lot about it

[dusk laurel]

Fishmael

[sudden ruin]

fisherghast

[ruby heart]

in his fated dialogue system

[spring helm]

Braelor is dog person

[light linden]

I don't wanna know

[spring helm]

feed him chocolate

[pliant ruin]

fishmael....

you're enabling me

[manic coral]

old duke isnt getting a dialogue system smh

[spring helm]

real and factual

[manic coral]

it's getting a whole cutscene

[sudden ruin]

wdym

[manic coral]

it's 15 minutes long

[pliant ruin]

🔥

[sudden ruin]

even better

[manic coral]

it plays before the fight every time

[dusk laurel]

[manic coral]

so everytime you want to try to fight him you have to rewatch it

[sudden ruin]

you really need that context before fighting

[dusk laurel]

Ueah

[ruby heart]

ruining the fun

smh

[light linden]

I

am I getting trolled?

[pliant ruin]

no triangle cei is cooking

[sudden ruin]

what?

these are devs

[pliant ruin]

the 15 minute old duke cutscene

[manic coral]

no triangle and i are being 110% dead serious

[dusk laurel]

What's a trolled?

[manic coral]

gaslighting isn't real

[spring helm]

it's very important to the narrative that you sit through Old Duke's rant about how "Dragon offshoots born after 1087 can't cook. All they know is

[manic coral]

you cant prove it

[dusk laurel]

Old Duke has an auric soul

The auric soul of mischief

[spring helm]

you're tall, that means you're immune to gaslighting

so don't worry about it

[pliant ruin]

i'll be honest this comment has got me stumped i've been sitting here trying to find a appropriate response for a entire minute

yes?

no?

how do i even respond to this?

[sudden ruin]

gods born after xerox cant cook all they know is eat auric soul and die

[indigo glade]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GLiRL2TL3TV4HI1ZqKzZ6o_KtFD1CXQsdt0EWrOOZlM/edit?tab=t.0

[pliant ruin]

😭

[light linden]

I don't know either

[indigo glade]

Not exactly as requested, but I had a great idea in the moment while writing Calamitas' story.

[dusk laurel]

Holy shit

[pliant ruin]

for legal reasons there is no fish mines sub biome and no 15 minute old duke cutscene

[dusk laurel]

That was the mission

[pliant ruin]

myl egal team advised me to clarify this

[sudden ruin]

the dialogue system is still in place

[dusk laurel]

You're an expert writer, Seeker

[spring helm]

EVIL AND INTIMIDATING TERRARIAN

[ruby heart]

the sad story between him and primordial wyrm

is really peak

about how wyrm betrayed the cause for silva

[manic coral]

yeah old duke isnt doing well after their breakup

[ruby heart]

ye

[gritty kraken]

I’ve been imagining new polter third phase to be like catastrophe fight for a bit now

[ruby heart]

not really

[dusk laurel]

Old Duke has been taking out his anger against his children

[spring helm]

shrimple as that

[ruby heart]

its like

[light linden]

also ngl

[ruby heart]

give selpulcher a sword

and steroids

[pliant ruin]

ok this part is straight up true though

that one isn't even a joke

[light linden]

I don't get where y'all got the brick look from

[pliant ruin]

😭

[ruby heart]

old duke is sorta of like

[dusk laurel]

[ruby heart]

[light linden]

it doesn't look like bricks

[pliant ruin]

the gray armor it wears

[ruby heart]

did you look at polter

[pliant ruin]

it's bricks

[light linden]

that doesn't look like brick

[ruby heart]

it is literally

literally dungeon bricks

(intentional of the design even)

the blindness of certain users smh

[sudden ruin]

blue dungeon brick

[pliant ruin]

Like

[light linden]

it looks more like the symbiote map stuff from marvel rivals than bricks

[pliant ruin]

I understand there's a certain appeal to the design but objectively speaking it's like

really outdated

Dosen't really reflect polter's lore well at all

and just

isn't a good fit for the mod's current designs