I think those ones are fine actually
#lore-discussion
sinful adder
dusk laurel
Yeah
frank dune
Yet another boring ass event where you kill same enemies to fill bar
strange stump
i wonder if theres a gun-nerd in the lore
pliant ruin
great sand shark isnt even a boss
frank dune
Yet another boring ass event where you kill same enemies to fill bar
Like what otherwise that could be
pliant ruin
its a miniboss
visual kiln
Yet another boring ass event where you kill same enemies to fill bar
u can make events cooler
make it less killing enemies
more like
sinful adder
I think I have a pretty good idea
light linden
sand shark would make a neat late pre-hm boss though
visual kiln
avoiding them
split mortar
Old duke is getting lore and explanations and personality and better drops in sulphur sea overhaul
pliant ruin
yes
visual kiln
either by stealth or like
pliant ruin
but it dosent need to exist
half of the bosses in the mod dont
im not saying old duke is bad
just that ideally it wouldnt exist bc the mod has too many bosses
split mortar
half of the bosses in the mod dont
What is only needed is 8 bosses
visual kiln
world if yharim was still immediately post-ml:
pliant ruin
its not about lore
split mortar
What’s needed imo is a weird term to use for a hyper non linear game
pliant ruin
its about The Mod Is Boss Bloated
sinful adder
Move perforators and hive mind and all their related content to early hardmode like queen slime, then make aerialite spawn from killing, idk, skeletron or something
light linden
ngl I think both of the calamitas fights could use a rework
sinful adder
Remove astrum aureus
frank dune
Yeah right
sinful adder
Then you're good
random mulch
simply make a new method for obtaining aerialite that isnt just killing a boss
light linden
ngl I think both of the calamitas fights could use a rework
the bullet hell segments do nothing but slow the fight down
visual kiln
im EVIL and FUCKED Up
light linden
Remove astrum aureus
NO
split mortar
And I mentioned gameplay stuff for old duke
pliant ruin
aquascoog as much as i like the fight has really no reason to exist
split mortar
aquascoog as much as i like the fight has really no reason to exist
Yeah true
frank dune
Remove astrum aureus
sinful adder
Alright. Make astrum aureus a phase of astrum deus that it summons
hybrid barn
They aren't bosses, but honestly, I think the giant clam and armored digger could be removed at any point, and I wouldn't miss them
split mortar
Alright. Make astrum aureus a phase of astrum deus that it summons
Ok wait yeah cooking
dusk laurel
They aren't bosses, but honestly, I think the giant clam and armored digger coul...
They are both getting reworked so probably not happening
But it would work
frank dune
Perforator should be a miniboss
split mortar
Then so should hive
sinful adder
Perforator and hive mind should be corruption and crimson counterparts to queen slime in progression
split mortar
and cnidrion to be a boss
Eh I disagree
random mulch
Perforator and hive mind should be corruption and crimson counterparts to queen ...
real
visual kiln
Eh I disagree
sso cnidrion
split mortar
Perforator and hive mind should be corruption and crimson counterparts to queen ...
Yeah
frank dune
Perforator and hive mind should be corruption and crimson counterparts to queen ...
That makes sence
visual kiln
not current cnidrion
split mortar
sso cnidrion
Isn’t that miniboss
dusk laurel
Perforator and hive mind should be corruption and crimson counterparts to queen ...
True
frank dune
Sso cnidrion?
visual kiln
other than "nuh uh no more bosses"
split mortar
but it has 0 reason to be a miniboss
I’ll form my opinion once we actually see the miniboss
visual kiln
when like it deserves the title far far more
hybrid barn
Isn’t that miniboss
About as much as Pluto is a planet
visual kiln
than desert scourge
frank dune
There should be like post ml astral boss
frank dune
There should be like post ml astral boss
Not just deys
split mortar
About as much as Pluto is a planet
Sso making it miniboss
frank dune
Id call it heart of rot
frank dune
Id call it heart of rot
You fight it in post ml
dusk laurel
move deus post-ml 👁️
_ _
visual kiln
whats the difference between a boss and a miniboss
frank dune
whats the difference between a boss and a miniboss
One has theme other dont
visual kiln
One has theme other dont
what if i give a miniboss a theme
split mortar
whats the difference between a boss and a miniboss
Miniboss is less hard, easier and more basic I think
visual kiln
also
starlight river's miniboss has a theme
and is a miniboss
p sure spooky mod's minibosses do too
i forgor tho
split mortar
Miniboss is less hard, easier and more basic I think
^
visual kiln
Miniboss is less hard, easier and more basic I think
wut makes that different from a boss thats just
easier
like king slime isn't all that hard
it has like 2 attacks
extremely basic
is a boss
frank dune
Gems
dusk laurel
Eye of Cthulhu also is pretty easy
hybrid barn
Actually, I have an interesting question if anyone will mind...if you had to remove a boss you think could be most easily removed, but then add one to another part of the game, what would you pick for both?
visual kiln
Actually, I have an interesting question if anyone will mind...if you had to rem...
scoog again
or old duke
split mortar
wut makes that different from a boss thats just
Doesn’t really, cause they’re a boss but without the dlc
Also you talking about early game bosses which yeah ofcourse they’re going to be easy
visual kiln
replace one with orthocera
dusk laurel
Replace aqua scoog with a different boss
visual kiln
Doesn’t really, cause they’re a boss but without the dlc
Also you talking about...
then whats the diff between an early game boss and a miniboss
sinful adder
I think aqua scoog is fine actually
split mortar
then whats the diff between an early game boss and a miniboss
Because a early game miniboss would be easier and more basic
split mortar
Because a early game miniboss would be easier and more basic
Just like how the bosses are easier and more basic early on so would the minibosses
pliant ruin
pre hardmode
king slime > eye of chtulhu > desert scourge > evil boss > crabulon > queen bee > skeletron > deerclops > wall of flesh
hardmode
queen slime > evil2 > mech bosses > cryogen > plantera > golem > lunatic cultist > moon lord
post ml
slime god > plaguebringer goliath > providence > astrum deus > exo mechs
the great boss cutting ignoring any and all lore and based only on gameplay
sinful adder
Boss health bar, simple AI, irrelevant to progression
hybrid barn
then whats the diff between an early game boss and a miniboss
I think one thing is that bosses usually have specific spawning conditions and items, while minibosses just show up
random mulch
destroy calclone and move deus to post ml, easy 2 slots
visual kiln
Because a early game miniboss would be easier and more basic
also wdym early game bosses have to be easier and more basic
frank dune
I think aqua scoog is fine actually
Tbh desert and aqua scourge is a strange thing imo
It feels like baron and champion of will from fargo
visual kiln
have u seen ceiros and scarabeus
visual kiln
I think one thing is that bosses usually have specific spawning conditions and i...
and thats valid tho
sinful adder
pre hardmode
king slime > eye of chtulhu > desert scourge > evil boss > crabulon...
I think this would be a lot worse. I like slime god where it is.
visual kiln
plumg
split mortar
also wdym early game bosses have to be easier and more basic
Because they’re an introduction, especially for a mod like calamity which is more open to newcomers then say eternity mode
frank dune
It feels like baron and champion of will from fargo
Same boss you fight in easy stage and then hard hm/post ml
sinful adder
I really think most of the bosses are completely fine the way they are
random mulch
ravager is gonna get retiered to post ml in its rework so there's gonna be a boss less in hm
visual kiln
Because they’re an introduction, especially for a mod like calamity which is mor...
arguably that's an argument for early game bosses being less basic: so they introduce u better
visual kiln
pre hardmode
king slime > eye of chtulhu > desert scourge > evil boss > crabulon...
crabulon can be moved literally anywhere u want lmao
frank dune
Crab doesn't have to exist
visual kiln
also i like slime god being post-ml
frank dune
also i like slime god being post-ml
hybrid barn
I think one thing is that bosses usually have specific spawning conditions and i...
The only exception right now, I believe, is Anahita
Which is...a weirder case, because the "???" that spawns her does act more like a miniboss, in how it just rarely appears in its given area and can't be manually spawned
split mortar
arguably that's an argument for early game bosses being less basic: so they intr...
Well if they’re too complex then they could be a turn off for people
And bosses are more big challenges and tests so things less then them in a short period being more complex is weird
split mortar
also i like slime god being post-ml
I don’t
frank dune
also i like slime god being post-ml
Terraria mods are creative then busting ya with worm/duke/slime bosses
dusk laurel
Like life slime
No, we already have enough imo
frank dune
Another duke reskin 
visual kiln
Terraria mods are creative then busting ya with worm/duke/slime bosses
thats mainly just calamity in modern times tbh
visual kiln
Well if they’re too complex then they could be a turn off for people
And bosses...
then the rest of the game will be a turn off at some point
frank dune
Remove polter
visual kiln
true
frank dune
Primordial wyrm is technically a boss or miniboss
random mulch
sometimes i wonder how different calamity could be if the devs just started over
frank dune
Primordial wyrm is technically a boss or miniboss
That kinda wonders me
split mortar
then the rest of the game will be a turn off at some point
Well if something is too complex too quickly then that’s a turn off, but if something is gradually more complex that’s fine
Like difficulty people often prefer a gradual rise in difficulty then suddenly spending 7 hours in a boss when it’s not been too bad before it
frank dune
Well if something is too complex too quickly then that’s a turn off, but if some...
Infernum scal fr
visual kiln
ya thats why bosses have phases usually
random mulch
i guess calamity kinda suffers from being "too old"
visual kiln
it rlly does
dusk laurel
Yah
random mulch
starting over this far in is definitely off the table so there really isnt just a good solution to all of it
sinful adder
I often say, calamity is like the first of the new era of mods, and thorium is the last of the old era
split mortar
-# isnt calamity like still a lot of old shit
frank dune
Yharim will prob be a duke fishron boss i feel
sinful adder
Like, it's different from Avalon and tremor
frank dune
Sorry for off topic
dusk laurel
Yharim will prob be a duke fishron boss i feel
What the hell are you talking about
_ _
random mulch
best the devs can do is make the random pieces of content strewn around the mod still engaging
but i guess that's ultimately not a bad outcome per se
frank dune
What the hell are you talking about
Bro gonna dash 3 times then spin and spawn projectiles
split mortar
(Is melee fighter)
visual kiln
best the devs can do is make the random pieces of content strewn around the mod ...
modernizing everything's still on the table tbh
random mulch
what even counts as modernizing
split mortar
what even counts as modernizing
Increasing quality
visual kiln
what even counts as modernizing
fixing all the problems with cal + ya increasing quality
split mortar
Or well, making it up to the modern standard
visual kiln
biggest thing would be fixing multiplayer imo
visual kiln
Or well, making it up to the modern standard
ye
strange stump
also hi azzy
random mulch
do not invoke its name
split mortar
I think post moonlord and pre hm are near perfect (evil 2 is weirdly placed but that’s it) so I think they shouldn’t change too much
Like only hm is bloated imo
visual kiln
post-ml has the issue of being exclusively a boss rush
split mortar
Yeah
random mulch
for now
visual kiln
except for the buffed moons
split mortar
post-ml has the issue of being exclusively a boss rush
But distortion and sulphur sea changes will be nice
split mortar
for the next several years yea
Sulphur sea is closer then that
sinful adder
seasonal moons should be canon
dusk laurel
Distortion
dusk laurel
Yeah
visual kiln
Sulphur sea is closer then that
valid tho
split mortar
yharim in 2040
Doubt
visual kiln
nah someone's gonna make yharim addon sooner or later
sinful adder
I mean officially
visual kiln
fair
dusk laurel
Yeah I can see that
split mortar
I ain’t becoming little over double my current age when yharim comes out no
dusk laurel
Just you wait
sinful adder
if distortion is in 6 years, that means 2030
spring helm
Boom a
dusk laurel
Fry
sinful adder
the earliest we can expect yharim is maybe 2 years after that, and that's generous
split mortar
What would be after distortion
dusk laurel
Aerie/Yharim
spring helm
What if cosmilite was gummy
split mortar
What would be after distortion
That isn’t yharim
dusk laurel
But what if
dusk laurel
But what if
They for some reason decide to make the Plague Marsh
sinful adder
sunken sea update was planned like 5 years ago or something
it was going to happen between 3 different brimstone crags updates and rust and dust
random mulch
they only really started serious work in may iirc
split mortar
Planned doesn’t mean they have been actively working on it seriously for that time
sinful adder
that's why I'm accounting for plans changing and new things happening between planned things
split mortar
Plus 22 happened I think during that time
And some major terraria updates
dusk laurel
The only things made for SSO post-22 afaik were sprites and plans
frank dune
Old ones army like thing
visual kiln
The only things made for SSO post-22 afaik were sprites and plans
o ya triangle was the only one working on sso up until the bountiful harvest update
dusk laurel
Yeah
sinful adder
yharim is planned after distortion, distortion is planned after ravager changes, ravager changes are planned after ???, which is planned after SSO
I think
split mortar
yharim is planned after distortion, distortion is planned after ravager changes,...
Crags overhaul and astral touch up for ??? I think
visual kiln
silksong's coming out before yharim imo
split mortar
silksong's coming out before yharim imo
Yeah def
sinful adder
silksong is probably like a year or two away
dusk laurel
definitely coming before Yharim
hybrid barn
silksong's coming out before yharim imo
I hope so, because there's no way Yharim's coming within the next few years
dusk laurel
With the Acid Rain stuff coming between then and SSO ig
hybrid barn
are coming out in 2027
Maybe a bit later, since there's some stuff with Providence and Ravager that I think will be lumped into that overhaul
split mortar
Maybe a bit later, since there's some stuff with Providence and Ravager that I t...
I thought profaned biome was going to be its own thing
random mulch
bco?
dusk laurel
The Acid Rain rework [+ more] will likely be the intermediary minor update in between the first 2 major overhauls
Brimstone Crags Overhaul
random mulch
ah
hybrid barn
I thought profaned biome was going to be its own thing
It might be, I misremember stuff often times
dusk laurel
Wrong channel methinks
midnight musk
LMAO SORRY
brave fable
fading helm
oh alr
Btw does calamity change the lore of the normal npcs like guide and others?
cant remember if it was this or another mod
dusk laurel
It doesn't
split mortar
I think? They aren’t overall that major though so not much specifically
May get more when vanilla bestiary rewrite though
brave dew
Yharim is black
split mortar
Is this lore accurater?
sinful adder
Btw does calamity change the lore of the normal npcs like guide and others?
only when it contradicts calamity lore
example: guide is not moon lord's son... probably
split mortar
Don’t think that’s ever ingame for vanilla
Guide is guy from some guild of guides I think
sinful adder
vanilla contradicts itself all the time, even in game
wheat walrus
The outer city
outercity level
split mortar
vanilla contradicts itself all the time, even in game
Example?
I hear this but I ain’t versed enough to notice them
sinful adder
I'm pretty sure red hasn't even read the bestiary or npc happiness quotes
sinful adder
Example?
I hear this but I ain’t versed enough to notice them
the cyborg is both a robot built by the mechanic and steampunker, and an ordinary guy with robot parts, and has a split personality.
sinful adder
it's the most egregious example, but there are plenty more small ones
that... I can't remember
frozen zodiac
example: guide is not moon lord's son... probably
didnt red say at one point most things he says about the lore are in a more jokingly tone
sinful adder
Yes
But he also said that everything in game is canon, despite things in game contradicting each other
fierce pagoda
Lol Red is just trolling when it comes to vanilla lore
sinful adder
I think he just doesn't even know it or care about it
coarse kettle
This might be a stupid question but it makes sense are the infernum fights in calamity more suggesting at the lore
Because
When I fight the infernum bosses
I feel like it’s lore accurate for some reason
stark basalt
yeah
calm patio
unfortunately no, addons arent canon
stark basalt
"devourer" of gods really devouring me
pliant ruin
I feel like it’s lore accurate for some reason
It's sort of the opposite
Given some infernum things directly contradict canon lore...
stark basalt
yeah
real silo
They're not canon because they were based on old lore
And in the case of calshadow something completely new
solar wharf
damn
heady vapor
They're not canon because they were based on old lore
Is the Terrarian canon?
real silo
Is this lore accurater?
Refer to this image
scenic olive
can we power the Plaguebringer Goliath with Draecell battery
frank dune
can we power the Plaguebringer Goliath with Draecell battery
Possibly
dusk laurel
Deus?
Deus is basically this space creature that ate an infected (moldy) star and got sick, then the infection made it launch the remains of the star at the planet
Also it may be part of a larger species
split mortar
what happened to the space worm boss
It survives our fight btw, we beat the infection out of it (somehow)
inner crescent
It survives our fight btw, we beat the infection out of it (somehow)
What
split mortar
What?
inner crescent
I thought dog tore it apart and it’s technically dead and the astral infection is doing a crabulon on it
dusk laurel
Old lore
split mortar
Old lore
split mortar
Deus is basically this space creature that ate an infected (moldy) star and got ...
^
Vanillin explains it here
split mortar
Also aureus is not crabulon
They didn’t say that I think
dusk laurel
I guess I just read an implication
split mortar
“Doing a crabulon on it” is referring to how mushrooms pilot a corpse and so infection may be doing that I think
dusk laurel
Ah, I see
split mortar
@inner crescent Idk if you already know or not but in the pins of this channel there’s a lore doc with all ingame lore but is a big read I hear
brave dew
Deus is basically this space creature that ate an infected (moldy) star and got ...
What a loser how did he not know it was rotten
brave dew
I said this 3 times ?
brave dew
Goku would never consider this
magic epoch
they just did
untold oracle
It's an animal
Still kinda a skill issue lmfao
brave dew
I mean an animal wouldnt look at a huge moldy rotten thing and think hmmm that seems good
At most he eats it and then spits it back
And then goes back to eating stuff
split mortar
At most he eats it and then spits it back
Yeah but that single bite infected deus
They may have spat it out if the mold wasn’t a mind controlling mold
worthy sierra
What pokemon type do you think SCal would be? Fire dark?
Or other cal bosses
Yharon is an obvious fire dragon
Slime god can be poison
worthy sierra
Polter is my favorite ghost type
untold oracle
Would yhim be fighting/electric?
worthy sierra
Would yhim be fighting/electric?
I mean
I could think steel electric
Because auric ore
But
untold oracle
He literally fights
worthy sierra
Would yharim beat you in a fist fight
untold oracle
The electric would be his armour/auric
worthy sierra
The electric would be his armour/auric
Auric rejection lore
worthy sierra
Me when the auric dragon you're attuned to dies and you get auric springlocked
split mortar
Me when the auric dragon you're attuned to dies and you get auric springlocked
Relies on soul not the dragon being alive
worthy sierra
Relies on soul not the dragon being alive
Yharim couldn't be the only person to wear auric armor
Maybe one of the weaker dragons had their monks or something
And the dragons soul was eaten or some
split mortar
Xeroc has auric in their concept art
worthy sierra
Would xeroc be auric springlocked
split mortar
worthy sierra
split mortar
Would xeroc be auric springlocked
When he ascended he would be easily strong enough to just tank it
faint plank
bald xeroc 💔
untold oracle
Relies on soul not the dragon being alive
I think you wouldn’t lose the attunement even if the dragon was consumed
split mortar
The other option is gold
Which uh I doubt it it
untold oracle
Hai rev :3
faint plank
hai
worthy sierra
Xeroc is such an L, bro doesn't skip leg day but he totally skipped chest back and arms day
He has monster legs but not the upper body
How dense is auric metal anyway
split mortar
I think you wouldn’t lose the attunement even if the dragon was consumed
How? The soul is gone and so is the auric properties of it?
split mortar
How dense is auric metal anyway
Don’t think we know
worthy sierra
What did he have to do to get huge legs
split mortar
Uh, being the monk of the dragon king
worthy sierra
But absolutely no upper body
split mortar
Run a lot I guess
untold oracle
How? The soul is gone and so is the auric properties of it?
Like maybe if the auric is sentient to a degree it knows that the person was attuned
split mortar
I don’t think auric works like that but it’s all speculation anyways
untold oracle
Yeah it’s all headcanon
frank dune
Smash
hushed geyser
I just lost my dragon and he taught me how to chase the bag
-yharim
untold oracle
devout grotto
I just lost my dragon and he taught me how to chase the bag
-yharim
Pls 
hushed geyser
Pls <:soblyn:1296276060601585808>
faint plank
yharim surgery tomorrow
brave dew
brave dew
Tfw when peak surgery
brave dew
brave dew
Peak writing
pliant ruin
what the fuck is happening
hushed geyser
brave dew
what the fuck is happening
Peak is happening
pliant ruin
blows u up
brave dew
And then the terrarian and yharim kissed
Uh no read my name
hushed geyser
what the fuck is happening
I'm writing the best story ever
brave dew
Yharim cheated on dardon ?????
hushed geyser
Yeah....
brave dew
Yherem christal must have been the marriage ring
brave dew
He's kinda trying to fill the holes with goku
pliant ruin
i'm going to bed my brain can't proccess this
hushed geyser
When goku and vegeta broke up i cried
brave dew
Dardon that's not what you need to do... Don't search for love to fix the crack
You're gonna end up even more heartbroken
Poor dardon...
hushed geyser
They're making a spinoff romance series about draedon later
I've heard whispers that he'll end up with Jesus
brave dew
Jesus X dardon ???
Wait but if they f together
Would that mean their child is xeroc ???
That means draedon is xerocs father ?????
Or mom
brave dew
Which game is mega man from tho ?
hushed geyser
They died of old age
hushed geyser
John Wulfrum (27) versus goku (44) boxing match!
brave dew
That's definitely a mike tyson vs jake paul reference
brave dew
John wulfrum paid goku just because goku is john's landlord so he just paid his rent
John solos goku verse
All at once
split mortar
What the fuck is happening to public lore chat
brave dew
peak
brave dew
Bro what
John just need to domain expansion wulfrum and boom balkan monaka still is gone
hushed geyser
Nah
hushed geyser
Johb can even use its own balkan rage and noradrenaline
Monaka has a technique that counters that
He blocks all of John wulfrums attacks
brave dew
John wulfrum is a god he can rewrite reality
He can just make it so monaka didnt exist
hushed geyser
He can write John wulfrum out
hushed geyser
But who created the book ?
No
brave dew
"No" didnt created the book
hushed geyser
Monaka is Christian god
brave dew
Why not ?
hushed geyser
He was lazy
hushed geyser
Yes
brave dew
That's not an answer im asking if yes or no did it
split mortar
Yes
hushed geyser
No
brave dew
That's like saying yes to a guy asking what is 2+2
brave dew
Uh no im @brave dew
hushed geyser
brave dew
Why did you ping me
brave dew
Oh so i was "dumb sir.... Disrespectfully" and now im just dumb ?
brave dew
I like them ngl
hushed geyser
Learn basic names
deft vessel
This is the most brainrot conversation i’ve witnessed
hushed geyser
I disagree
brave dew
We are superior
deft vessel
hushed geyser
Yall can't read clearly
We've been writing the best story ever
Better than "The Emoji Movie" and "Paul Blart Maul Cop"
brave dew
Wtf is paul blart maul cop
What's his name is it just paul ? Or paul blart maul
And cop is his family name
hushed geyser
Yeah
brave dew
Peak
devout grotto
What no SSO does to a mf
split mortar
brave dew
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/865723388081340428/1307645916672688190/st...
Sutpid*
hushed geyser
What no SSO does to a mf
Dunno what that is
hushed geyser
Aka huge loredrops
Boring
brave dew
It stands for Super Sigma Overdrive
hushed geyser
It stands for Super Sigma Overdrive
devout grotto
hushed geyser
Yall don't understand peak
strange stump
yharim's a sigma male, yeah
hushed geyser
Yharim is Andrew tate confirmed
dusk laurel
i'm going to bed my brain can't proccess this
Same
untold oracle
What in unholy have I stumbled upon
dusk laurel
Mental illness
hoary berry
dusk laurel
I'm so excited to fight Providence after SSO and the old, low animated fireballs will have been killed
random mulch
dont forget that guardians will probably also have those changes
dusk laurel
Oh yeah, that too
brisk ore
What in unholy have I stumbled upon
its AN IMPERFECTION TO BE CLEANSED
river python
What is canon and what is not canon in lore?
brisk ore
What is canon and what is not canon in lore?
this might be difficlult to answer
because the dev can say something
and it is a joke...or is it?
split mortar
What is canon and what is not canon in lore?
Dev items
References
Donor items
Those are the main big ones idk if I missed any
river python
Dev items
References
Donor items
Those are the main big ones idk if I missed an...
not canon?
split mortar
Yeah they aren’t canon
river python
so the best ingot, and armor in the lore is the Auric Tesla, isn't it?
split mortar
Yeah
brisk ore
for now ig
split mortar
We don’t get anything better, just tied
river python
so the best ingot, and armor in the lore is the Auric Tesla, isn't it?
because the demonshade is not canon
split mortar
because the demonshade is not canon
Demonshades current iteration isn’t, it’s going to be made post scal and not shadowspec item and be reworked in the future
brisk ore
im not saying about canon
river python
oh
brisk ore
just askign about the armor name
random mulch
depends
river python
because Stained, Brutal Calamity fits perfectly with the current lore
random mulch
the opposite in fact
there are plenty of differences with the lyrics and actual canon
rotjd is almost perfectly canon though
river python
They were seen as a threat- (They=Gods)
By the moment the dragon was killed by their hand- (When Xeroc Took Zeratross Soul)
Now you're sent to demolish the foe -(???)
Upon your ruler's despondent demand- (???)
random mulch
"they" refers to the player
river python
huh
random mulch
the lyrics were written far before the new lore
river python
They were seen as a threat- (They=Gods)
By the moment the dragon was killed by t...
so, in the moment we kill, Yharon
not Zeratross and Xeroc?
random mulch
yeah
river python
oh
random mulch
and the other 2 lines are just wrong
calamitas hunts you down by herself in lore
lyrics say that yharim sent her
river python
calamitas hunts you down by herself in lore
why?
random mulch
afraid that you are gonna turn into yharim 2
devout grotto
SBC was created during old lore times
river python
Roar Of The Jungle Dragon suits with the actual lore?
random mulch
mostly
devout grotto
I think yeah???? Lore doc says so afaik
river python
and Tyrant?
devout grotto
Unused
random mulch
tyrant's not canon and not used
river python
and Tyrant?
i thought it was scraped, I listened to it while I was playing
while i was playing
beforing defeating ( i dont remember what boss) but i heard it
like an Interlude
I'm only using an addon, Infernum mode, maybe Infernum will add it but I'm not sure
random mulch
i think you're confusing tyrant for interlude 1
interlude 1's lyrics are also not canon
proven rivet
Yeah as those are taken from Tyrant
river python
i think you're confusing tyrant for interlude 1
Silence Before the storms doesn't have lyrics
proven rivet
Silence Before the storms doesn't have lyrics
Ressurection of a Cruel World is the first interlude
First song to play in Hardmode
also has the highest non-music box priority
devout grotto
Oh yeah I actually thought up some Amatsumara lore 
river python
after
proven rivet
tyrant goes before or after acceptance in SBC?
Either after SBC acceptance / Signal Received after Exos
devout grotto
Oh yeah I actually thought up some Amatsumara lore <:Thinkies:734770794764435536...
Amatsumara was actually the name of a dragon who was gravely injured during their fight with Fovos
proven rivet
Depends on if you fought SCal/Exos last
random mulch
signal received isnt gonna remain the post-fight music for exos
river python
i think in lore, you should defeat Exomechs First
proven rivet
i think in lore, you should defeat Exomechs First
Nope
They are the same tier
Even in the lore
river python
I mean, it's more symbolic that you defeat Calamitas using the same tesla auric armor that Yharim used.
split mortar
river python
well the helm is different.
split mortar
I mean, it's more symbolic that you defeat Calamitas using the same tesla auric ...
Yharim uses Exo auric not base auric
His armour is better then ours
river python
is not the same?
random mulch
or just draedon's tech in general
split mortar
Yeah ours is just the mock attuned metal
His is normal auric and Exo tech where draedon could fit it
river python
we are stronger of weaker than Yharim?
devout grotto
Amatsumara was actually the name of a dragon who was gravely injured during thei...
They entrusted their Auric Soul to a kitsune named Inari (based on Inari Ōkami), kinda similar with Zeratros and Xeroc
split mortar
we are stronger of weaker than Yharim?
faint plank
ōkami is that one fox right
split mortar
You can have your guy be literally the creator of existence and that’s allowed
river python
Yharim's soul and Yharon are in tune, so Yharim is as strong as a god with an auric soul, but we absorb Yharon's auric soul, so Yharim doesn't have it, isn't it?
faint plank
in japanese folklore(? i don remebe
devout grotto
They entrusted their Auric Soul to a kitsune named Inari (based on Inari Ōkami),...
I'd say that the original Amatsumara's domain is precious metals?
river python
okay
split mortar
Yharim's soul and Yharon are in tune, so Yharim is as strong as a god with an au...
We don’t absorb yharon
river python
so Yharon can rebirth again?
split mortar
Yes
proven rivet
Yes
proven rivet
Dw it takes like 10 years
strange stump
theres a trick ive learned a long time ago to make names sound good
split mortar
They’ll be in the body of a baby it should be fine
split mortar
theres a trick ive learned a long time ago to make names sound good
Womp womp
devout grotto
in japanese folklore(? i don remebe
Uh ig? I only found the game
faint plank
yeah ik it too from the game
devout grotto
split mortar
Yharons soul fragments are barely anything to yharon btw, and they happen cause they fought so hard not cause of rebirth stuff
IIRC
devout grotto
(I never played HI3rd much)
faint plank
oh it was made up lmao
split mortar
but Yharon said goodbye to Yharim.
Yharim will die in under a decade to being fucking old
faint plank
before yharon rebirth
split mortar
Yeah yharim dies before yharon can come back no matter what
To our hands or to the inevitable creep of time he will fall
faint plank
i canonically kill yharim with a foil hat
split mortar
Ok
river python
To our hands or to the inevitable creep of time he will fall
but, uh... Xeroc can't die of age.
Yharim shouldn't either
split mortar
Xeroc is a god
river python
Xeroc is a god
is a human with an auric soul
split mortar
is a human with an auric soul
No
river python
no?
split mortar
God ascension removes auric properties of the souls
wheat walrus
gods are people who absorbed an auric soul
split mortar
They’re god souls
wheat walrus
now they don't have an auric soul
split mortar
They’re different
wheat walrus
their soul merged with the auric soul
river python
oh
river python
Is the soul attunement between Yharon and Yharim different from the absorption that Xeroc did with Zeratross?
split mortar
Yes
devout grotto
alright damn i was gonna share but i guess not anymore <:SAD:664300899555999754>
Pls do share 
(God I'm enjoying this Nitro trial a bit too much 
)
split mortar
Yharim and yharon are just so good friends they get some buffs (yharim can touch auric without exploding)
Xeroc is the strongest being possible
proven rivet
Xeroc is the strongest being possible
unless Yharim had done something he doesn't want to do
split mortar
unless Yharim had done something he doesn't want to do
No
It was said xeroc is at the ceiling or something
river python
hypothetically, Yharim with soul of Yharon>Xeroc?
split mortar
No
Xeroc has been gaining skill and power for over 800 years
Maybe in raw power they could reach xeroc
But Xeroc is extremely skilled
river python
How old is Yharim?
split mortar
Yharim can die
random mulch
still need to give him a name
split mortar
still need to give him a name
Rob one do the bone merchant ones idk
river python
Yharim can die
literally a normal human?
split mortar
Outside of being attuned (all we know is touching auric fine) yes
Yharim is just old and strong
split mortar
2K atleast with no upper limit
river python
Yharim doesn't gain any strength from being attuned to Yharon?
split mortar
Maybe but we don’t know
river python
Telepathy with Yharon at least, idk
split mortar
The only thing we know is yharim can touch normal auric
split mortar
Telepathy with Yharon at least, idk
Nah we don’t know if that’s the case either
random mulch
they're just extremely small slivers of the actual soul
split mortar
why this item exist?
Because that’s like a grain of sand to a mountain of what is yharons soul
We take like legit basically nothing of yharons soul
river python
Having that allows us to use the Tesla Auric, right?
split mortar
Yeah because we put it in the auric making the auric lose its explode on touch property
untold oracle
still need to give him a name
Was it bonebags or smth
river python
Are there more gods? (not counting those created with an auric soul)
like the
huh... i dont remember his name
Astrum Deus
split mortar
God in calamity means a being who consumed a auric soul
Deus isn’t a god cause of that
By definition a god has consumed a auric soul
river python
wait. every living being can take an auric soul?
or just the humans
I suppose that the race of Amidias, if they found an auric soul, they could take it
split mortar
I suppose that the race of Amidias, if they found an auric soul, they could take...
There are two gods of exactly that
river python
So, not all gods are necessarily human?
split mortar
Silva is the one stuck in abyss
river python
oh
split mortar
Planty mush is her spreading her influence
split mortar
or i dont remember what ore is a Silva remain
I don’t think any? Maybe perennial but chlorophyte isn’t
untold oracle
Perenne are Silva remains?
Planty mush is silva essentially, perennial is just silva’s energy condensing into ore or smth
river python
We repaired almost everything bad that Yharim did, can we bring Silva back from the abyss in the game?
Like the rescue we did with permafrost?
of Cryogen
split mortar
Nah, not only is she stuck she is basically pile of mush due to the fact she would have been beaten to a literal pulp
untold oracle
We repaired almost everything bad that Yharim did, can we bring Silva back from ...
Not in game but it was confirmed that Silva will grow back into her god form eventually
But I assume it will take a long long time
Like multiple decades maybe
split mortar
She will become whole and fully fine in enough time though
river python
Nah, not only is she stuck she is basically pile of mush due to the fact she wou...
food for the Eidolon Wyrm I thought
untold oracle
She will become whole and fully fine in enough time though
And then gets assigned as roommates with Yhim
split mortar
food for the Eidolon Wyrm I thought
That’s her spreading influence instinctively, long as her main body is fine and healing it should be fine
And that body might be protected by jared idk
river python
Primordial Eidolon Wyrm hates Xeroc? isn't it?
if i remember i read something like that
in his whisper
spring helm
Yes
strange stump
Pls do share <:hutaocute:846187419179024385>
maybe i should
river python
If I don't remember, are Dragon Folly created by Draedon?
random mulch
Was it bonebags or smth
just a nickname
river python
Or they are authentically Dragons
split mortar
Primordial Eidolon Wyrm hates Xeroc? isn't it?
Yea jared hates xeroc or anyone who uses primordial light (zeratros was prob the only exception)
river python
Or they are authentically Dragons
because they dont have an Auric Soul
split mortar
If I don't remember, are Dragon Folly created by Draedon?
Old lore
split mortar
Or they are authentically Dragons
Actual dragons, just not auric ones
river python
Zeratross and Jared are distant relatives, right? The Eidolons are part dragons, like the Fishrons
proven rivet
Would Draedon piss on the moon
split mortar
Zeratross and Jared are distant relatives, right? The Eidolons are part dragons,...
Maybe? Idk myself the auric dragons might have been different species of dragons that all got the auric souls gifted to them or it may have been one species and the differences is from the auric souls changing their bodies
split mortar
Would Draedon piss on the moon
If it furthered science yea
(It does trust me)
river python
If an auric dragon mates with another auric dragon, a dragon with an auric soul emerges, right?
should be i thought
wheat walrus
Dragon Folly=Dragon
Yharon=Auric Dragon
yea folly has no auric soul
river python
but auric dragons are limited?
wheat walrus
yharon bestiary entry
when an auric dragon dies yharon rebirths them through their soul basically
the only way to delete an auric soul properly is to absorb it
making you a god
river python
That's Yharon's unique special ability.
wheat walrus
yes but the auric soul would still linger if not absorbed :/
river python
Zeratross' auric soul domain was the primordial light,
Yharon's is rebirth
wheat walrus
yes
river python
yes but the auric soul would still linger if not absorbed :/
I mean, can auric dragons mate to create another Dragon with an authentic auric soul?
river python
My question is, Auric Dragon+Auric Dragon = Dragon?? or another Auric Dragon
wheat walrus
auric dragon reproducing with another auric dragon would birth a dragon with no auric soul
for all I know
spare pier
One of the original draconic offshoots who were born in the Draconic Era. Dragons who were born after all the Auric Souls had been gifted to their kind were forced to make do without, forever outside of the cycle of rebirth. Yet in a twist of fate, the Auric Dragons’ age would end, and those rejected would be the survivors in this new world.
Hi
wheat walrus
> One of the original draconic offshoots who were born in the Draconic Era. Drag...
thank you reb
brave dew
Dev items
References
Donor items
Those are the main big ones idk if I missed an...
Shadowspec iirc isnt canon but could be wrong there's also the 3 joke bosses (cirrus, exo/non exo mechdusa, and the lorde)
river python
> One of the original draconic offshoots who were born in the Draconic Era. Drag...
thank you
split mortar
Shadowspec iirc isnt canon but could be wrong there's also the 3 joke bosses (ci...
Shadowspec is a dev item
proven rivet
Shadowspec iirc isnt canon but could be wrong there's also the 3 joke bosses (ci...
Poor Deerclops isn't canon
brave dew
Shadowspec is a dev item
Forgot abt that
split mortar
Poor Deerclops isn't canon
[REFERENCE FUCKER]
brave dew
And also refights are almost all not cannon
I think there's just like
2 or 3 exceptions
Scal, queen bee and probably smthin else i didnt mentioned
split mortar
Scal and folly and queen bee
brave dew
Folly ?
river python
And also refights are almost all not cannon
the exomechs and Calamitas
should be cannon refights
brave dew
Exos arent cannon
split mortar
the exomechs and Calamitas
Not exos
brave dew
Refight exos arent cannon
split mortar
Exos arent cannon
The re fights aren’t
river python
Not exos
At the end of the talk after the defeat of Draedon and his machines, he tells you that if you want to contact him again via the decoder to fight again.
brave dew
Thats outdated
river python
oh
split mortar
At the end of the talk after the defeat of Draedon and his machines, he tells yo...
Boss dialogue is outdated sadly
cloud ibex
draedon could in theory make more exos but it would be FAR from instant
brave dew
Yeah
split mortar
Took months to make these ones
brave dew
And i mean
river python
draedon could in theory make more exos but it would be FAR from instant
an Exo-Calamitas Clone?
cloud ibex
it's not like he has a warehouse full of them like sets of action figures
warm gull
killing people for fun just isn't fun anymore
split mortar
Yeah it would be quicker the second time but still ages to grow Thanatos
cloud ibex
an Exo-Calamitas Clone?
i was talking about the exos you fight
split mortar
an Exo-Calamitas Clone?
Wouldn’t be that strong
cloud ibex
i suppose he could try to make an exo clone but i doubt he'd be interested in that
river python
Wouldn’t be that strong
imagine an Exo-mech with but with the implement of brimstone magic
split mortar
Exo technology is weaker than brimstone magic ?
Apollo already matches scal fire
river python
Apollo already matches scal fire
oh
cloud ibex
iirc he doesn't really understand what the source of cal's magic prowess is
brave dew
How did he got powers for calclone then
split mortar
He knows it’s related to brimmy
cosmic zenith
Maybe? Idk myself the auric dragons might have been different species of dragons...
Draconic offshoots are explicitly descendants from Auric Dragons
untold oracle
iirc he doesn't really understand what the source of cal's magic prowess is
Being a silly girlfailure duh
split mortar
Draconic offshoots are explicitly descendants from Auric Dragons
I know, I’m talking about the species of the auric dragons themselves
cosmic zenith
Oh, I see
river python
Draconic offshoots are explicitly descendants from Auric Dragons
let me make a paint.net
river python
Draconic offshoots are explicitly descendants from Auric Dragons
something like that?
cosmic zenith
> One of the original draconic offshoots who were born in the Draconic Era. Drag...
TLDR, there's a limited amount of Auric souls
If all of them are already embodied (already exist within an Auric Dragon), the children of Auric Dragons are born with regular souls
cosmic zenith
something like that?
What is "Dragons" here?
split mortar
So dragons first, then auric dragons then the offshoots
cosmic zenith
So dragons first, then auric dragons then the offshoots
(Speculation)
cloud ibex
TLDR, there's a limited amount of Auric souls
If all of them are already embodie...
isn't it something like
cosmic zenith
Oh, so this is correct
split mortar
Yeah if it’s folly and not all dragons then it’s correct
cloud ibex
when a dragon died and a new dragon was born, the soul of the one that died could inhabit the body of the newborn one
untold oracle
TLDR, there's a limited amount of Auric souls
If all of them are already embodie...
I think there was a lot between the original auric dragons and the ingame offshoots tho
Would be weird if a dragon gave birth to a fishron
Unless the dragon was similar to one already
cosmic zenith
when a dragon died and a new dragon was born, the soul of the one that died coul...
Yeah, pretty much
Auric souls can be rebirthed in a new body, forming an Auric Dragon of that domain
If the Flame Dragon died, the soul of Flame would bind itself to an egg, and a new Flame Dragon would be born
cloud ibex
god imagine being a dragon and killing some other dragon you didn't like, having a kid and then that fucker is reborn as your kid
warm gull
so it wasn't actually the same dragon
cloud ibex
you would feel so owned
warm gull
like
cosmic zenith
Unless the dragon was similar to one already
Yes, the parent Dragons were supposedly similar in looks to the offshoots they birthed
Though of course, older offshoots like Fishrons changed in appearance throughout the ages
untold oracle
Yeah, pretty much
Auric souls can be rebirthed in a new body, forming an Auric D...
Uhh it’s the same guy in a new body right?
river python
Yeah, pretty much
Auric souls can be rebirthed in a new body, forming an Auric D...
the Rebirth of Yharon in the fight is canon?
like the fight of Infernum mode
warm gull
it wasn't actually a dragon being reborn, it was just the domain being passed to a new one?
cloud ibex
the Rebirth of Yharon in the fight is canon?
nah his respawn takes, like, ten years
cosmic zenith
like the fight of Infernum mode
No
river python
okay
warm gull
and draconic offshoots are just dragons that are born without an auric soul being available to inherit?
if this is true
cosmic zenith
it wasn't actually a dragon being reborn, it was just the domain being passed to...
It's technically the Dragon being reborn, since they're defined by their soul
But the body isn't necessarily the exact same, save for Yharon
cosmic zenith
It's quite literally being born again
cosmic zenith
and draconic offshoots are just dragons that are born without an auric soul bein...
Yeah
warm gull
the soul holds all the memories and the personality etc.
cosmic zenith
"Sorry bud we ran out of Auric souls, have a normal one"
warm gull
so basically
sleek halo
"Sorry bud we ran out of Auric souls, have a normal one"
just split an auric soul again obviously
that surely will be healthy for the dragon
river python
"Sorry bud we ran out of Auric souls, have a normal one"
hipotetically, Yharon+Dragon Folly, have any chance of another Auric Dragon?
warm gull
if draconic offshoots started forming anywhere near the beginning of the deific era, this means that the souls of the dragons that fovos killed were... unavailable
river python
hipotetically, Yharon+Dragon Folly, have any chance of another Auric Dragon?
or is Yharon the last Auric soul?
sleek halo
if draconic offshoots started forming anywhere near the beginning of the deific ...
Or Yharon was
cloud ibex
or is Yharon the last Auric soul?
he is
untold oracle
"Sorry bud we ran out of Auric souls, have a normal one"
”I was in a queue for 400 years for one and this is what I get?! Ludicrous!”
Then the offshoot turned into a miserable and vile creature, and as ages passed, the creature was titled as the Old Duke
river python
oh
cosmic zenith
the soul holds all the memories and the personality etc.
Yes, and Yharon can access his, but it's unknown to what extent other Dragons can access their memories from past lives
I personally believe they can recover their memories gradually if they probe their own subconscious
Personality isn't that clear cut
sleek halo
Or Yharon was
I mean if ppl had gotten to the Aerie
he could’ve literally not been able to revive others
or well rebirth them
and the dragons seemingly didn’t just hide in there so it may be fair to say that it was not very hospitable to dragons at the time
cosmic zenith
Personality is probably the result of the soul interacting with the current incarnation and its life experiences
Kinda like how in, Avatar: the Last Airbender, the Avatar is reborn, but each incarnation has their own personality (even if they share similarities)
sleek halo
and the dragons seemingly didn’t just hide in there so it may be fair to say tha...
especially since it’s the most obvious place they’d go so ppl who know how to get there likely would be waiting
especially since already dead dragons would be brought lol
untold oracle
Personality is probably the result of the soul interacting with the current inca...
The new Flame Dragon sucks I remember they were a nice and kind person before the accident :(
Actually would it kinda be tough for the dragons when their best friend dies and comes back but has a different personality and barely remembers them
cosmic zenith
Drastic personality changes are unlikely, but true
split mortar
Gains ptsd because of your past life’s trauma
noble niche
Why would anybody worship the god of sacrifice? Did they want to get sacrificed!?!?
untold oracle
Why would anyone worship providence
random mulch
we'll probably get to know more when the cathedral is added
noble niche
Why would anyone worship providence
They wanted that ash and thought they could bag a lot of ass there
They wanted the pure ass
sleek halo
Why would anybody worship the god of sacrifice? Did they want to get sacrificed!...
I mean
untold oracle
I have a headcanon that GoS was actually a very nice person and wouldn’t actually sacrifice his worshipers
sleek halo
I have a headcanon that GoS was actually a very nice person and wouldn’t actuall...
^
I share this
untold oracle
I think I got it from you lol
sleek halo
probably
noble niche
"My humble worshipers, I'm gonna have to sacrifice my wage for this week cause funds are hella tight"
sleek halo
true
split mortar
I have a headcanon that GoS was actually a very nice person and wouldn’t actuall...
Same
noble niche
He sacrificed Jerry's plans for this weekend cause he wanted to go on a fishing trip with him last second
random mulch
i hope we get to see GoS' design eventually
untold oracle
He sacrificed Jerry's plans for this weekend cause he wanted to go on a fishing ...
Truly the Gif Worshiper of our time
split mortar
Truly the Gif Worshiper of our time
DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE
noble niche
i hope we get to see GoS' design eventually
This is it fabsol dm'd me it
(Me and her tight like that)
untold oracle
Why does Ravager drop blood god stuff
I have a headcanon that GoS and GoB were best friends or smth like that and they ruled together (the two opposites create balance) and then of course when ravager was created they rebirthed GoB too and they fused
split mortar
They were yaoi?
noble niche
God of blood was probably a vampire, most of his followers were just hot topic customers
untold oracle
Yeah..,